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Death of User Fg2

Fg2 uploaded this image in March 2009. Two rakan evoke a teachable moment and a search for the better focal point.

Sorry if I'm not posting correctly - I just wanted to let you know that fellow Tokyo group member Fg2 passed away last month. He was a frequent contributor to Wikipedia and Commons. I'm not sure of the etiquette on posting things such as this, but his obituary is here:

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/bostonglobe/obituary.aspx?n=frank-j-gualtieri&pid=131905563 203.181.14.206 (talk) 13:16, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. He will be sorely missed here. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:19, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Caps

Hi, Nihonjoe. Sad news above, indeed... About the capitalization issue you brought up at the Takeo Kimura filmography review, you pointed to: wp:MOS-JA#Titles_of_books_and_other_media, which, as I read it now, doesn't seem to address this particular issue. It seems to address the issue of the Japanese use of English words in titles titles with odd capitalization. It doesn't seem to apply to the romanization of the Japanese title. The issue in question is the practise of putting the romanization in the form of first word in caps, remaining words (except for proper nouns) in lower case. (for example: This Day's Life (今日のいのち, Kyō no inochi), as opposed to This Day's Life (今日のいのち, Kyō no Inochi)) The section refers to Wikipedia:ALBUMCAPS#Capitalization, which says, "In titles of songs or albums in a language other than English, the project standard is to use the capitalization utilized by that language, not the English capitalization."... which doesn't really address non-Roman scripts... Am I reading it wrong? Or is there another part of MOS-JA that does specifically address this?... I'm preparing to go through my own filmographies, and, not having any strong preference either way, would just as soon they be in line with MOS-JA recommendations. Regards. Dekkappai (talk) 19:46, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I guess it's more implied than specifically spelled out (not sure why every last thing needs to be specifically spelled out for some people, either). There are a few places where it states that standard capitalization rules apply, including in the section you reference ("Within the English-language Wikipedia, however, capitalization should be conventional..."). The ALBUMCAPS section you mention is likely referring to languages such as Spanish and French where it is standard to only capitalize the first word of a title rather than the standard used in English which is to capitalize all nouns, pronouns, verbs, and some other words. This has been discussed a few times, and each time the consensus was to apply the English capitalization rules to rōmaji titles as this is the English Wikipedia. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:40, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Not sure I'll convert existing entries, but won't object if someone else does. I'll go with that style from now on then. Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 22:01, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

RFA spam

Thank you for participating in WP:Requests for adminship/Kww 3

Sometimes, being turned back at the door isn't such a bad thing

—Kww(talk) 18:26, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Seizō Watase

On October 27, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Seizō Watase, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page _{(here's how)} and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wikiproject: Did you know? 20:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:07, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Did I forget to thank you? ..

Nihonjoe ,Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed nearly unanimously with 174 in support, 2 in opposition and 1 neutral votes. Special thanks goes to RegentsPark, Samir and John Carter for their kind nomination and support. I am truly honored by the trust and confidence that the community has placed in me. I thank you for your kind inputs and I will be sincerely looking at the reasons that people opposed me so I can improve in those areas ( including my english ;) ). If you ever need anything please feel free to ask me and I would be happy to help you :). Have a great day ! -- Tinu Cherian - 06:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome, and good luck. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:48, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I should have kept my mouth shut

Because I found that someone had moved several pages from non-Hepburn romanized titles for living persons to Hepburn versions, reverted the moves (subjects such as Yoko Kanno and Ryuichi Sakamoto), and brought it up on WT:MOS-JA, there's now a discussion to drastically change the method by which names of modern people are romanized (use Hepburn only, disregard established or common spellings except as redirects), because the subject of an article is not a reliable source for how to spell his or her own name in the English alphabet.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:41, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry

I've just started to use the Lupin anti-vandal tool and thought I was reverting vandalism. Sorry! I wasn't trying to move the block notice on User:Leecorso11's page. WWE Socks 04:57, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Please be more careful, though, as it appears that this is not the only misfire in your use of that tool. I suggest reviewing edits more carefully before using a semi-automated tool to revert them. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:07, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Newtype article

See Talk:The End of Evangelion#Newtype review. As far as I can tell, the review must've been 2002 or earlier, which would make it one of the first Newtype USA issues; if you could double-check the link's transcription's general fidelity (modulo the obvious typos), that'd be great. (Also nice would be any opinion on whether to include the little spat.) --Gwern (contribs) 15:38 30 October 2009 (GMT)

Deletion review for six World Club Challenge winners templates

An editor has asked for a deletion review of six World Club Challenge winners templates. Because you deleted them, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Tim Song (talk) 07:39, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Template:Editsemiprotected/doc

When I requested protection on this page back in April, I was told that the transcluded doc pages weren't protected. You may want to socialize your decision to protect it. Celestra (talk) 15:15, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Socialize my decision? I don't know what you mean. I protected it because anon IPs kept messing it up. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:25, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

To socialize a decision means to discuss it with others. Anon IPs have been messing that page up at a fairly constant rate since I started servicing SPERs. I also thought that protection would help, but I was informed that the intent of the transcluded doc was to allow non-autoconfirmed users to edit something while the templates themselves were protected. That may have been wrong at the time or it may have changed, but you should be aware of it and you might want to discuss it with other admins. Celestra (talk) 06:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Must be a British English meaning as it's never used that way in the States. Thanks for the update. :) There are always exceptions, and this was one of them. I set the protection for a specific time (I forget the exact time length), so it will eventually expire. Hopefully that will dissuade them from this long enough for them to forget about the page. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:58, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't know about British English, but the phrase seems popular in the Silicon Valley. I hadn't realized it was uncommon elsewhere. Thanks for sharing that. Cheers, Celestra (talk) 01:31, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Template:Melbourne Storm - 2000 World Club Challenge winners

I would like to request that the template above be reinstated. It was deleted under G6. It has been asked of me to speak to you directly in order to expedite the situation. Many thanks. Lando09 (talk) 16:09, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

The discussion is taking place over at WP:DRV#World Club Challenge winners templates. It looks like they are going to be procedurally undeleted and then procedurally listed at TfD. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:04, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Auguste Couder

Thanks for your efforts. The page was created by a persistent sockpuppet and it's hard - too hard sometimes - to tell whether his efforts are facetious / malicious or if they contain a kernel of merit! JohnInDC (talk) 19:50, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

"Der Fuhrer" in usernames

Your comment notwithstanding, I blocked the account ... the associations of that term are just too strong to allow it. Daniel Case (talk) 20:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't care either way, so that's fine by me. I was just pointing out that it may not necessarily be meant as offensive. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:53, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Samurai Articles: Deletion Violation

Hello, this is user:IMMORTAL SAMURAI, a frequent Wikipedia contributor to the Japanese "project" here. I've read into the history of most of the samurai articles that once existed here on Wikipedia and it said that you, personally, for not the first time, deleted over 100--even 200--samurai related articles within the past few months without any reason stated. I understand Wikipedia's administration recruiting policies are very non-rigorous, but don't you think this is stepping the line too far in what power you have here?

Therefore I ask that you please begin revising these articles, for what you've done to Wikipedia has been critically thoughtless and harmful to our project. If you choose to ignore this warning, however, I will be forced to speak to other administrators concerning your violation of power and have you suspended or banned from it. Talk to IMMORTAL SAMURAI 12:23, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

I stand by all the actions taken regarding any articles you refer to here. As a "frequent Wikipedia contributor to the Japanese 'project' here", however, you don't seem to have any edits other than here and on your userpage. What other username(s) have you used to make these contributions? ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:00, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

The other username I went by was Ytny, which is why you haven't seen any contributions from this account yet.

May I ask why you stand by the actions you took regarding the articles I am referring to? From what I can see of them they weren't copyright-violated articles and the references were legitimate, making them perfectly regular articles that had no reason to be deleted. To me it seems you're just trying to earn merit by using the non-rigorous policies of Wikipedia as a whole as a scapegoat for negative edits. Please do explain. Talk to IMMORTAL SAMURAI 19:42, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

They were (most of them) deleted as copyright violations. If there are specific articles about which you have questions, feel free to ask, but I'm not going to spend the time giving you individual rationales for the deletion of over 600 articles since almost all of them were deleted for the same reason. As for your accusation that I'm "just trying to earn merit by using the non-rigorous policies of Wikipedia as a whole as a scapegoat for negative edits", I have no idea what that even means. I don't make "egative edits", whatever you mean by that. The samurai-related articles which I've deleted are only a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the total number of articles I've worked on here (somewhere in the neighborhood of 30,000 different articles for a total of nearly 65,000 edits). ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:40, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Well I checked a number of the articles that I found on this obscure page--User:Exiled Ambition/Articles--and while the good majority of the articles there weren't deleted they were turned into essentially informationless articles under the pretext that the references they used were violated. But after a bit of research on those references the article creator didn't seem to have made many copyright violations despite your edits, and even months later there hasn't been a hint of care in expanding those articles in any way.

Knowing this I can only be brought to the conclusion that you carelessly and unknowingly performed similar, and even more negative, actions on the samurai articles that used to occupy Wikipedia but that are now deleted. But instead of reasoning on this when it's obvious you had no reason in the book to do what you did you begin bragging about your total number of edits as if it will do the work of convincing me you are a competent administrator.

I will bring this matter up in our project room and see what we can do about this issue. Talk to IMMORTAL SAMURAI 07:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Where is this "project room" so that I can defend myself against your baseless accusations? ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:49, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

When you enter the dreaded "project room", Joe, make sure to do so with a couple of your trustiest ninja, and have everyone pack nunchucks (much on my mind now having just finished Pride and Prejudice and Zombies). But don't worry too much: after all, the scary samurai has only been IMMORTAL thus far. -- Hoary (talk) 10:30, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

'Baseless accusations'? Is that really what an administrator of Wikipedia should be saying when I not only have a base for what I say but evidence as well? I don't know how many other mass positive edit reversions you've done to other articles here, but seeing that you want to ignore me as if I'm trying to annoy you implies that you've probably been criticized multiple times before for similar reasons. This isn't the time for your personal wants; you've made crucial mistakes to the database of Feudal Japan here and something better needs to come of it by way of group effort and care.

I made my petition here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:JA Talk to IMMORTAL SAMURAI 22:09, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

UAA: User:Monicaleighs

Could you please take another look at the report I made? The user in question is apparently not the article subject (which would have raised COI issues), but someone pretending to be the article subject and trying to direct traffic to a phony Myspace page. I believe this violates the "Real Names" provisions of the username policy, in particular "Do not edit under the name of a well-known living person unless it is your real name, and you either are that well-known person or you make it clear that you are not." Thank you. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 02:15, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I left a note on their user page. If they do not respond appropriately, they will likely be blocked within a week. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Petit Apple Pie

I have nominated Petit Apple Pie, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Petit Apple Pie. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:25, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I know why you contacted me about it. I'm just incredulous that you are taking things this far instead of doing something productive. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:02, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

And I'm incredulous that you continue making such uncivil and bad faith remarks when you are supposed to be an admin. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:12, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Being an admin has nothing to do with it (not even a little bit). You keep going after this article even though you know how difficult it is to locate printed articles on topics over 25 years old in Japan. See the AfD for a part of WP:BK of which you were apparently not aware. It specifically addresses non-contemporary topics such as this. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:16, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not even the person who first prodded it! I tagged it for notability, as was appropriate. Notability was NOT demonstrated. I realize you created it so its hard to be neutral, but facts are facts. It did not have evidence of notability per Wikipedia's guidelines, and it still doesn't. Two years after you made it, its still in the same shape. There is a difference between difficulty and impossibility. I answered your claim of it being non-contemporary in the AfD. And yes, your being an admin has plenty to do with it. You, even more than other editors, should at least be able to try to maintain civility, rather than making uncalled for and unsolicited snippy remarks at other editors. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 03:20, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

If I'm being "snippy", it's because you refuse to work with anyone who disagrees with you when you've made up your mind on a topic like this. You just plain refuse. I've seen it over and over, and you make it very difficult for anyone to do work when you try to steamroll right over them. I wouldn't have created the article if I didn't think it was a notable topic. As I've told you again and again, it's damn near impossible to find articles from that time period. Really. I'm not joking about that. WP:BK doesn't even address book series at all. I still find it difficult to believe that a series isn't considered notable when it has nearly 20 volumes and was published over 5 years through a major publisher (think of it as the Random House of Japan), but a one-off book with two different local newspaper reviews can be considered notable. Your interpretation of WP:BK is far too strict. You can't keep trying to hammer round pegs in its square hole; it just doesn't work. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:28, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Righteous Sock Barnstar
		Awarded to Nihonjoe for meritorious editing. Thank you for your good work reviewing speedy deletion tags on new articles written by an unknown editor. As part of this project I created an account with a dubious username and wrote ten referenced but badly formatted stubs about Antarctic mosses. Two of those articles were nominated for speedy deletion; you rejected one of the nominations with a note that the article did not qualify for A7 speedy criteria. Thank you for prompt and conscientious reviewing. Durova³⁶² 04:28, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. :) ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:40, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Question

Hi! I was warned by Caspian blue at here. See my reverts, please. [1], [2], and [3]. I only edited per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Korean)#Sea of Japan (East Sea) and Wikipedia:MoS#Section name. It is true that, as Caspian blue pointed out, there is no mention that using the "Sea of Japan (East Sea)" for a heading is prohibited, but at the same time there is no mention that the using of it for a section or a subsection name is permitted. I thought the subsection name "Sea of Japan or East Sea naming dispute" was not appropriate because Sea of Japan (East Sea) was already used in a preceding sentence and section names should not explicitly refer to higher-level headings. Did I miss something or do something wrong? Please clarify if my understanding of MoS is not good enough. Of course I am fully aware that I did three reverts and have to be careful. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 15:09, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

I would recommend having another editor look at this issue (perhaps post it on the WT:MOS page) as I have a past history with Caspian blue. This will allow people with no connection to review the situation and perhaps come to a useful conclusion. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:25, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer and advice. I'll go to the MoS page. Sorry for wasting your time. Thank you always. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 05:38, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem. It wasn't a waste of my time. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:39, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Doppleganger account

Not sure if you read it yet, but I replied on my talk page. Thanks for the suggestion. 72.216.3.171 (talk) 07:46, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

check this plz

Talk:Japonic languages#Remove protection and fix ink! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sigmundur (talk • contribs) 18:48, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Done. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:06, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Fribbulus Xax's RfA

Thanks, Nihonjoe, for supporting me in my RFA. It passed unanimously. I am very grateful of your input – if you have any further comments, let me know!
Fribbulus Xax (talk) 12:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Sure thing. Let me know if you have any questions. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:42, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Good luck!

And {{trout}}! :) –Juliancolton | ^Talk 14:40, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Trout for spoiling our pity-party at WT:RFA#RfB? - Dank (push to talk) 19:41, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks (Julian), and I noticed the pity-party shortly after posting. Maybe I just felt the vibes from that page or something... :) ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:15, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Your RFB

I wish you good luck in your envandor. Since I discovered that you were experienced and democratically, good enough to become a bureaucrat, I decided to support you in your decision to become a bureaucrat. Maybe, you should join the ArbComs long after you have been strong enough as a 'crat!----_{Boeing7107isdelicious|SPRiCh miT meineN PiloteN} 14:07, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:12, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Template:CSRT-Yes

{{CSRT-Yes}} has been the subject of a lot of debate, since it was agreed upon by groups like Wikiproject:Terrorism and Wikiproject:Templates as the only "manageable" way to handle Guantanamo BLPs - since otherwise there was a need to have hundreds of biographies each incorporating identical text...but one of them would say "Bush's unfair tribunal system", the other one would say "the terrorist was placed before a tribunal", etc. The unorthodox use of the template allowed orthodoxy and NPOV to be ensured across hundreds of BLPs. The template was proposed for deletion in June 2009, but Kept as a necessary tool. (Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2009_June_2#Template:CSRT-Yes) The following month, a sister template was proposed for deletion and all parties agreed it should be merged into CSRT-Yes (including myself). (Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2009_June_27#Template:ReadingCSRTNotice ). However, eight weeks later the CSRT-Yes template was again nominated for deletion, apparently on the basis of the editor finding it "messy" and disliking the images in the template. The images were removed per consensus, but User:Plastikspork nevertheless closed the debate as a Substitute and Delete. (Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2009_September_4#Template:CSRT-Yes). Now AFDs are typically difficult because a "Keep" will just be met by a steady stream of attempts until finally one succeeds (see, for example, the great fun had with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daniel Brandt (14th nomination)), whereas a successful closure as "Delete" is rarely able to appeal and have the article restored.

Anyways, more than two months after User:Plastikspork closed the CSRT-Yes's second nomination as "Substitute and Delete", there has been zero attempt by editors to work on deciding the best wording for a substitution, and any attempts to fix BLP articles with POV templates (such as Akhtiar Mohamad, tagged as POV bias since December 2007, a serious breach to allow a BLP to sit with that for two years) are being undone and the POV concerns edited back INTO the article "because CSRT-Yes should be deleted", rather than used to fix the BLP concerns across so many Guantanamo BLPs. (And those POV concerns were raised ages before I strayed onto the battlescene, so no, nothing to do with me on either side) Rather than improving the project, the issue is stagnating attempts to fix BLP articles.

I am not sure User:Plastikspork can retroactively change his decision on the TfD, but I would be interested in hearing whether you still believe that keeping the template is the best route - and how things might be set in motion to focus on helping with hundreds of BLP concerns that have existed for years - where attempts to fix the concerns are met with rigid and stoic "This is not how WP does things" rules, in sad mockery of official policy WP:IAR which seems to be a textbook case in these Guantanamo BLPs. (Cross-posted to those three administrators involved, no bias towards any of them, I assume good faith decisions have just led us to this unfortunate dead end) Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 16:16, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Awesome

I don't want to jinx you or anything... ;) ... but you now have as many Support votes as you've ever gotten at RfB, and only one oppose. :) Good luck, but so far so good! BOZ (talk) 20:27, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Looks like I jinxed you. :( Leave it to one person with a mad-on to push a hot-button topic to kill a political campaign! You were doing damn fine for the first half, but it was all downhill from there. (Even though you've got 100 more supports than opposes...) It's a shame, but better luck in whatever you do next. BOZ (talk) 05:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

That's what happens when someone brushes off the real issue and claims it's about something else. If he'd pointed to the ArbCom case in question in the first place, this whole issue would have been moot. Not much I can do about it now, though. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:16, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

kids

At 14:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC), you wrote "and anyone under 18 who does has that information removed fairly quickly)."

I don't think this is generally the case. In particular, the older the minor is, the less likely it seems it is paternalisticly removed, and if it is restored after removal and discussion and it's clear the minor knows the risks, it generally stays. I've been involved in a few such removals myself and on one case initiated an edit-deletion of a self-described and apparently very naive young editor. There's a big difference between a naive 12 year old who thinks his user page is Facebook and a 17 year old high school senior on the cusp of legal adulthood. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 00:41, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

It's generally the practice to remove age information from any user page for someone who is under 18. I never said parents were the ones who removed the information; we (as in editors and admins here on Wikipedia) do it when it is discovered. This has been the practice since I first became an admin over three years ago. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:46, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I didn't say parents did either. As an editor, I sometimes remove it paternalisticly (in loco parentis) but it's always a judgment call with me. For self-proclaimed preteens and younger teens, I typically do it and may ask for the edit to be deleted. For those claiming to be older teens and young adults who aren't long-standing editors, I typically just recommend it, sometimes in private. I say "typically" but such events are very rare, so there may not be a "typical" for me. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 02:20, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion. Well, I know I remove it when I see it, and I know many other editors who do the same. Perhaps we just move in different circles on the site, and mine tend to be more active in this one respect. I agree there is a big difference between a 12 year old and a 17 year old. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:06, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

The dangers of machine-assisted translation

Heh. I had no idea what to support was, so I enlisted Google Translate's help and it spat out "私を支援午前" for "I am supporting", but I should have caught the missing arimasu which should have been there. :-) — Coren ^(talk) 11:54, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem. We've all been plagued by machine translation at one point or another. One of my favorites is when it translated "fan" (as in a "fan of science fiction") as "ventilador". ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:39, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, some fans blow a lot of hot air. :-) — Coren ^(talk) 17:24, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

True. :-) ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:54, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

IMM SAM

It's generally never a good idea to decline unblocks on users you blocked - especially if said user is attacking you. -Jeremy ^{(v^_^v Stop... at a WHAMMY!!)} 05:20, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Normally, I would agree, but he'd already been declined twice, so don't think it will be seen as an issue. Thanks for the comments, though. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:24, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Your RfB

Thank you for running. I'm sorry I've come to the conclusion that I felt I had to in the Crat Chat. I had hoped that my question in the RfB would prevent the need for a close call. I'm still unsure which way we'll go (I'm certainly open to persuasion there, as ever) but either way, I'm glad you ran, and am sorry you've had (having) a hard time of it. Either way it goes... good luck and thank you again. --Dweller (talk) 11:16, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:23, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry you've had to go through such an ordeal for what is, in reality, such a mundane office. It is a credit to you that you have perservered through this odious process notwithstanding the pompous posturings of various commentators, myself included. It is my earnest hope that the crats will review your candidacy and order your promotion. If they do not, please be assured that you continue to hold the good regard of a good many of us. Best wishes, Crafty (talk) 11:31, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:23, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

My apologies; while I'm sure you already know, I was remiss in not informing you that your RfB has been placed on hold for bureaucratic discussion as to the existence of consensus to provide you with the bureaucrat maintenance tools. My apologies once again for it slipping through the cracks, you deserve better. -- Avi (talk) 17:25, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem, Avi. I noticed that's what happened and was already following the discussion from when you created it. Thanks for the notice, however. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:23, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

For what it is worth, I was coming back to reinstate my support... 'crathood is really a minor deal.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 17:29, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate the support. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:23, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I want to offer my support. I do not see what you were doing as supporting anything; more like asking "why?". I don't edit very much; I don't like the crap that goes on. But, I do look at a lot of pages, and believe you to be one of the more stable folks here, having good responses and input. Keep up the good work, and it is things like this that prove yout mettle. King Pickle (talk) 03:54, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate the support. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:04, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Yourmomisfunny

~~This was a bot-reported possible username violation. The block/unblock sequence has removed the bot report from WP:UAA, and I have reinserted the report manually.~~ -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 16:34, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

In the end, it was declined as a false positive. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 02:19, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

That's fine. My block was inadvertent. Thanks. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:03, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Japan stubs

Thanks for the note. I was in a bit of a rush and added {{Japan-stub}} without thinking too much about subcategories. I'll keep them in mind from now on! armagebedar (talk) 05:42, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Glad to help! ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:18, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Moss - Durova's sock articles

You're right that A7 doesn't apply to moss, but the most important thing to clear up is A7 is about individual organisms, not about species of organisms. I added this to the A7 criteria since it confused a couple of readers. I write organism stubs and thank you for realizing these species articles are appropriate to wikipedia, removing the A7 tags, and notifying the editors applying them. --IP69.226.103.13 (talk) 08:22, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Zumba

Quick message about your speedy deletion of the Zumba article. Could you please read this conversation re the last speedy deletion of it. The article has been in existence for years however recently changed and should be reverted back to this version and not the one you deleted (which admittedly still isn't a great article but at least the sources and references in my opinion establishes enough notability that it should not be deleted under A7). I'm getting a little discouraged that other administrators don't be appear to be taking care when applying A7. A quick look at this reference which was referenced in the article too. I'm tempted to restore it myself and send it to AFD but I have a personal policy of not wheel warring and as such will leave the ball in your court. Glen 04:41, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I've restored it and procedurally nominated it for deletion due to the repeated tagging for CSD. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:11, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Nihonjoe - could you procedurally restore the talk page vesions as well? I created a new talk page, that comment will need to be merged with the old version. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 13:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I think that's the best idea - appreciate the prompt response. Thanks again Glen 06:07, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

need urgent help from Nihonjoe

The page of an important contemporary Lebanese polymath "Wissam Shekhani" was deleted by you; please help us to bring it back again. We are afraid to be deleted again if we created another time. Can you please Nihonjoe help us. Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ALBA-BALAMAND (talk • contribs) 01:15, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I've picked this up, as I deleted it the first time. Ged UK 14:37, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Let me know if you need any backup. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:18, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it's okay...

to say congrats!^[4] You'll do some good work, I know it. Best, ceranthor 16:04, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't ~~break the wiki~~ give the bit to anyone who will break the wiki. :) davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 16:10, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you for your participation. I promise not to break anything. :) ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Ugh, that's not any fun! Oh well, we'll try better next time... –Juliancolton | ^Talk 17:20, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Congrats to our newest bureaucrat...

So... for RfA promotions, I've got some nifty boilerplate that I share so that the newbies don't try to delete the Main Page, etc. I think this might be my first RfB promotion, so I don't have squat.

Um... don't rename Jimbo. Yeah, that's about the only thing I can think of.

Congrats. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:07, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Guess you'll have to modify your boilerplate. :) ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:24, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

A Jimbo rename wouldn't be bad. I'd just advise not to start messin' around with this. :) Congrats! –Juliancolton | ^Talk 16:10, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Darn! I was thinking "Jimboy" would be good, being a fan of The Waltons and all... ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:24, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

You make it look so easy. Welcome to the shovel. - Dank (push to talk) 16:11, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad everything worked out well for you. Patience pays off! -- Soap ^Talk/_{Contributions} 16:12, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

One would result in a database lockdown, the other would result in a loss of flags. Pick your poison. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:12, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

What? I thought he already was a steward. Support. -- Hoary (talk) 16:14, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Well done, and thank you for your patience and understanding while the situation was discussed. Don't hesitate to call on your fellow 'crats for any advice on anything. All the best. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure I'll have plenty of questions. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:41, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I think this may set a new precedent, that RfBs don't need such a sky-high standard to pass. Good luck with everything! JamieS93 16:20, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Congrats! Ged UK 16:44, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Congrats! This RFB will probably become a standard question on future ones and be ground-breaking. I commend on the way you handled yourself during it and the crat chat. — Rlevse • Talk • 16:24, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Congrats from me too! Well done -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 16:26, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! GreenGourd (talk) 16:30, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

There was never any !doubt ;) hydnjo (talk) 16:33, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations and good luck! — Oli ^OR Pyfan! 16:48, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations for becoming a standard question on further RfBs. :-) — Coren ^(talk) 17:19, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I think it would look weird to put an individual "Thanks" after each comment, so I'll just put one here. Thanks to everyone for participating, and thanks for the good wishes. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:24, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

And that question should be "If a bombshell-rabbit trail drops halfway through this RFB, will you be able to remain civil like Joe?" :) davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 17:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to the team and ... good luck! WJBscribe (talk) 17:52, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations from me also, I didn't update my support since before the controversial revelation, but I would have maintained it if I had the chance. Camaron · Christopher · talk 20:35, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Naturally I can't say I'm delighted as I opposed. However I do feel the consensus reading was correct in this case and the additional rights were granted according to community will. Happy editing and I hope the trust of said community will be vindicated. Pedro : Chat 20:43, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, regardless, I appreciate your participation. Thanks! ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:41, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to the mix, Nihonejoe. If you ever have any questions, I'll be happy to help. Keep up the good work, Kingturtle (talk) 20:40, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, welcome! I must say that I have been impressed with your attitude during this complex and much discussed request for bureaucratship. Warofdreams talk 20:58, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Congrats. Extremepro (talk) 22:49, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Your RfB might be one of the few that have created some precedent. I actually got to it, by coming to it from the entire initial blocking fiasco. If the RfB hadn't already been closed you would have gotten my vote as well for your principled stand on the issue of not blocking based on off-wiki behaviour.Pickle23 (talk) 06:37, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Nicely done. MBisanz ^talk 06:53, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Welcome aboard, Joe. Now that makes two of us who have a first-hand view of the hardest part of a bureaucrat's job from the other side :D. Let's hope they remain rare :) -- Avi (talk) 07:17, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. Thanks to everyone above this who I haven't already thanked. :) ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:27, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Diana and Pomona image

License updated to 3.0 as requested - Leonard G. (talk) 18:11, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 22:08, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations

Congratulations Joe. Needless to say, we have a strong difference of opinion regarding the Tyciol affair, but I hope we can put that firmly behind us now and move forward in a more collegial manner. Please accept my apologies - after rereading your RfB, I see I came over as overly combative when I was merely trying to express my opinion. In the future, I'll try hard to put my thoughts across more eloquently. Best regards and good luck with the new buttons. Sincerely, Ryan Postlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 21:52, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, and I look forward to working with you in the future as well. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:55, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, since you do like to hang around on my page, I suspect we'll work together again in the not too distant future (if I manage to get back into username enforcement in the not too distant future like I plan to!). ;-) Ryan Postlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 22:01, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Pretty good likelihood, then. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 22:08, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

My pleased congratulations as well. Keeping cool under fire is a must for the bureaucrat job, and your doing so proved, as a final test, that you are the right man for the post. As the I Ching would say, "Perseverance brings good fortune." Jus da fax 22:47, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Congrats! You handled yourself well. 7 23:46, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations! I opposed on the basis of WP:UCS however I'm sure you will be a fine and capable bureaucrat and in retrospect I think the correct decision was made, good luck...Modernist (talk) 00:24, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Congrats Joe. I'm glad the 'crats took the right decision. Good luck in your new role. Crafty (talk) 05:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow, that's a lot of up and downs - congrats, and at least that part is finally over. :) BOZ (talk) 06:22, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks to everyone above this. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:26, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Just saw this. Congratulations! Cirt (talk) 08:16, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations and best wishes! Axl ¤ [Talk] 16:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:18, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

(I hope nobody minds me adding this here.) Congratulations, myself from the future. :) Despite not having an account, I observed the request from a distance and I think you deserve this. If it's worth anything to you, I must say that I found myself agreeing with your stance on the external forum issue. Congratulations again. :) - (From AHR.) 86.179.252.154 (talk) 06:47, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, you from the future (whatever that means). ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:02, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

You forgot my first comment on MAL. It's a running gag. (Well, obviously not now.) :p 86.179.252.154 (talk) 07:17, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Aha. I understand now. :) ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:23, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow, I can't believe I missed your whole 'crat run! Congratulations on your new shovel! =) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 22:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

It's nice to know that you were able to pass as I kept frantically checking the Bureaucrat alert board constantly as I was fearful that it was going to go down the toilet quickly. Honestly if you had lost, I would have lost all faith in the RFB system and people might've had serious reason to call for change. Good luck! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:07, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks (to both you and Dinoguy1000). ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:12, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Wow, information doesn't travel fast enough in wikipedia and it just reached my hear. My congratulations from France. --KrebMarkt 15:56, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks (but not from France). :) ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:53, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Welcome aboard and administrivia

Hi,

I sent you an email - just want to make sure the address that applied to the bureaucrat list is you. If it is, just post here (or somewhere on-wiki) and I'll let you on. Congrats, and welcome aboard!

Thanks -- Pak aran 04:52, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Yup, that's me. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:56, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Should be added now. -- Pak aran 04:58, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:59, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

No, thank you. Now that you gave me a reason to be active again, I think I'm going to start editing more. -- Pak aran 05:04, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow, I feel special now. ;p Welcome back. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:13, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

So we got a twofer from that RfB! Great to have you back, Pakaran. - Dank (push to talk) 22:43, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

RS in readings

Joe, it's ages since we had a good fight. Take a look at this and tell me where to get off. (Or, conceivably, even agree with me.) -- Hoary (talk) 05:21, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Articles for creation

For the articles you listed under "To be created" and "To be considered" on your user page. Shove them onto Wikipedia:Requested articles/Japan/Anime and Manga so we can deal with them as a project. Congrats again for cratship. Extremepro (talk) 05:56, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Feel free to copy them there if you wish, but leave them on my page, too, as I have them there because I'm interested in creating them at some point and I don't want to forget about them. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:04, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations (2)

I don't know you, but this RfB was important to me. I'm happy it ended with the right result, so good luck with the new responsibilities.--SPhilbrick T 16:30, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations, Nihonjoe! Dekkappai (talk) 17:19, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Delighted to have you on the team. --Dweller (talk) 17:20, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:18, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations (3)

Congratulations, Joe! Now time to wield that power mop. :-) King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:10, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Nope. It's a shovel. :) ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:01, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Now you are in it up to your... anyways, congrats, I'm glad your RfB passed this time. Like I said before I saw no reason to oppose, Ryan's oppose had me look at you a little closer, but IMHO you did nothing wrong in your handling of the incident (just an honest difference of opinion) which is why I decided to (albeit too late) reinstate my support.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 15:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:27, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations. I must say, you have shown an amazing amount of patience and clue, not only when faced with a 4th RFB that ended in some drama but also while awaiting the crats' decision on how to close it and in general in the last months since your failed 3rd attempt. You really demonstrated that promoting you to crat was a wise choice.

Regards So Why 15:31, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:33, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I guess I'm late for the party, congratulations on your new appointment! :) - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 18:35, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
- It's okay, there's still some chips and dip over there. Grab a drink, too, while you're at it. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:58, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
  - Omedetoo gozaimasu - Darn I'm late too, but congratulations, I kept an eye on your RfB and was distressed to see it end in a cliffhanger (cue organ music). Hope this dip hasn't gone bad. -- Atama頭 22:42, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
    - - Nope, the dip is made from mystery cheese, so it's non-refrigerated shelf life is about 100 years. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
    - I only just noticed your RFB had finally been closed as successful. Congratulations! I guess the party's more or less over, but I'll help clean up. :) Robofish (talk) 01:21, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
      - Thanks! <passes the broom> ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
~silently slips in late~ Congratulations on your appointment as shovel master! I believe that it is well deserved. G.A.S ^talk 13:28, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Congrats to 日本穣 from 中国海米. At least, that'll be a good enough faking of my name the purposes of this page. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. In Japanese, that means (roughly) "Chinese sea rice". Not sure what you were going for, but it made me smile. :) ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:53, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

In Chinese, it means "Chinese dried shrimp". "海米" is literally "sea rice", but it refers in particular to dried shrimp. [5]. Tim Song (talk) 07:46, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and congrats on the new shovel :) Tim Song (talk) 07:47, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

The second two characters are a transliteration of "Heimi". My name. Not meant to mean shrimp in this case. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 06:46, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, if it's Chinese, then that's why it made no sense in Japanese. :) ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:01, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

In fact your translation was right, as the first two characters do indeed mean "China", the third means "sea", and the last means "rice". But I was using the last two as a transliteration. Chinese has to do this since there's no katakana (which I gather is how Japanese typically transliterates foreign names). Heimstern Läufer (talk) 07:12, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Yup. However, in Japanese, what you used for your name would never be used for a name (other than perhaps a stage name/pen name). It's all good. :) ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:56, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I doubt it would be a name in Chinese, either. Who wants to be called by the name of a food, after all? But since it's a transliteration of a username (which fits your category of stage name/pen name pretty well), I used it here. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 08:05, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Tip-off

I spotted this --Dweller (talk) 10:49, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Yup. I spotted it laast night just as I was going to bed. I was too tired to handle it then. Thanks! ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:30, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

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No RfAs or RfBs

There have been no RfAs or RfBs since yours! I hope we have not scared everyone off, as we do need good people to come forward. Thanks for enduring all that you did. You handled yourself well and forced us think, ponder and reflect. All the best. - Ret.Prof (talk) 13:38, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. There are a couple right now (last I checked). ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:17, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I'd be afraid to run, too, if I found out I had to be bigoted against certain groups in order to be supported. Not only must I despise the group, but I also must ban them on sight despite no policy supporting such an action. I am very disappointed in several of our administrators. I do not feel they are fit to serve. I'm relieved that the closing bureaucrat had common sense. Someone asked that I stopped using the word, "bigot." If a user asks an administrator, "could you please clarify whether you blocked the account on the basis of the editor's wiki-editing (cf. block log entry: "pro-paedophilia activism"), their off-wiki actions, or their allegedly being a paedophile?" and the answer from the admin is "It's because he's a well renowned, self admitted pedophile." --no matter how you slice it, that is bigotry. This is not a personal attack. This is fact. I am not a supporter of pedophilia, but I am also not a supporter of bigots, especially those with administrative tools to take out whatever group they just happen to not like. Vodello (talk) 02:46, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

You are not wrong, you simply not right about pedophilia. There are many many people who have been hurt, damaged even devastated by child abuse. They are not so much bigoted as carrying baggage. Some rise above it but for others they never heal. - Ret.Prof (talk) 05:00, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

There are way too many child abuse victims in this world. Even one is too many. But there is a big difference between being a pedophile and being a child ~~molester~~abuser. It's the difference between wanting to do something and doing it. It's like comparing apples and ~~oranges~~ the color red: You can be either one without being the other. Some people say pedophiles are born that way. Maybe they are. Nobody is born a child abuser, that is a choice a person makes. Some religions teach "hate the sin, love the sinner" and even "forgive the repentant sinner." Whether you believe that or not, for the pedophile who has not abused children directly or by proxy, there is no sin to forgive, and no reason to despise the person. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 05:13, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Just have to say that this discussion, I think, is off target here. The issue brought up was out-of-policy blocking. The reason the blocker blocked the blockee is irrelevant. What is relevant is that is was out-of-policy, and Nihonjoe asked for an explanation, and received no adequate one, just dodging and insinuations... If the blocker had discovered the blockee were an off-Wiki Nazi supporter, I suppose the discussion would be over Nihonjoe's implied support of Auschwitz-defenders editing Wiki. If the blocker had discovered the blockee were an off-Wiki nose-picker, we'd be discussing Joe's implied approval of poor hygiene. By which I mean: This is a total red herring discussion. One of Wikipedia's founding slogans is "The encyclopedia anyone can edit." If it is understood that not everyone is allowed to edit WP, it needs to be clearly stated exactly who is not allowed, and under what circumstances/evidence... I'm surprised this McCarthyesque linking of Nihonjoe to the irrelevant issue was so persuasive among so many Admins-- editors who, one would think, are supposed to have a higher degree of responsibility and understanding than the common mob... Dekkappai (talk) 21:33, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

"If it is understood that not everyone is allowed to edit WP, it needs to be clearly stated exactly who is not allowed ..." We do. See WP:BAN. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 22:25, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't address this case. Perhaps I should word it: "If it is understood that certain types of individuals, regardless of their on-wiki activities, are not allowed to edit WP, it needs to be clearly stated exactly who is not allowed ..." Dekkappai (talk) 22:32, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

And, in reply to the original message in this thread, I thought about leaving a message at the RfB talk page: "OK everybody, the lynching's over! Meet you all at the 'Why don't more people volunteer to be Admins or Bureacrats? Boo-hoo-hoo' page!"... but that would have been in poor taste, perhaps. I'm not above posting it here, of course ;-) Dekkappai (talk) 22:04, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

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CfD nomination of Category:High School! Kimengumi

I have nominated Category:High School! Kimengumi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Extremepro (talk) 08:41, 3 December 2009 (UTC)