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You have blocked a few accounts that were related to a blocked sock puppet, User:Excuseme99 and asked me to let you know if I came across more. I had suspected that an account, User:Xtinadbest was related, but it had been blocked as a vandalism only account and so didn't pursue it. Then I noticed a new account, User:Britneyrocks, had popped up and was now editing the same articles as User:Xtinadbest. When I began to research it, I realized User:Britneyrocks, User:Anya rocks, User:Spearsrocks and User:Xtinadbest were editing the same articles as User:Ashleerocks, one of the many accounts identified as socks of User:Excuseme99. Those include, variously, The Saturdays discography, Kým nás máš, several years of the Junior Eurovision Song Contest - e.g. Junior Eurovision Song Contest 2010, Eurovision Song Contest 2009, various "(Name of country) in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest" articles and other Eurovision Song Contest articles, Hayden Panettiere. Mostly, these are articles that fall outside of a large level of scrutiny and if the user stayed away from Hayden Panettiere, I'd wager it wouldn't be so noticeable. This fits in the scope of using specific accounts/types of accounts for specific articles in order to avoid scrutiny. Thanks, and if there is anything else you need to know, please let me know. Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:32, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Britneyrocks is definitely a sock and has been blocked. The other three have too few edits to make that determination right now. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:11, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, thanks so much. I'll keep the others watchlisted in case other things pop up. Appreciate your help. Wildhartlivie (talk) 18:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

(outdent) At least there's consistency in pattern here. A new account to edit Hayden Panettiere was registered yesterday: Xtinarocks (talk · contribs). Also doing the Eurovision articles and Ashlee Simpson (remember Ashleerocks (talk · contribs)). I also took note of Kellycya (talk · contribs) which was registered a week ago. Although the articles edited aren't the same, the language in what has been written and the same pattern of lack of citation additions and odd insertions into leads seemed familiar. In any case, I'm positive about Xtinarocks. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 18:07, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Just wanted to be sure you'd seen this. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:16, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

A wrong move?

Hi, Nihonjoe. In expanding the Tetsuji Takechi article just now, I noticed that Kyoka Izumi was not macroned according to mos-ja policy, and moved it to Kyōka Izumi. While fixing the redirects, THIS indicates that the non-macroned version may be pretty wide-spread, at least on Wikipedia. Did I make a mess? And if so, can you help clean it up? (I have to step away from the computer right now and won't be able to finish linking to the macroned article for a while.) Thanks either way! Dekkappai (talk) 04:07, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

You're fine. I've fixed all the links which need fixing. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:45, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Many thanks-- it looked like an obvious case for macron to me, but then when I saw so many links to the other, I thought it might be one of those rare exceptions... Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 13:06, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Movie studio vandal again

He returned, this time at 118.137.20.194 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log). NeoChaosX (talk, edits) 20:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Browsealoud

I found plenty of sources for the software in Google News. Joe Chill (talk) 21:10, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I added a reception section, an external link, and a link that says that the software won a major award. Joe Chill (talk) 21:30, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Please keep the discussion at the AfD where it may do some good. Feel free to improve the article and use the sources you find. If they turn out to be reliable, I (and others) may change position. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:43, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Second Sino-Japanese War

There are several people with anon IPs repeatedly making un-useful changes to the infobox, can you help by making this article semi-protected? It will save us all a lot of trouble, thanks. DCTT (talk) 02:33, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

The edits being undone are fairly few and far between. If it gets to many a day, then we can discuss semi-protection. Until then, it's better to just revert vandalism as you find it. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:48, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

The Mod Squad band

HI....Nihonjoe from the mod squad.

we have submitted an honest fair artical on the rock group,,,and its not promoting the band in anyway... why have you deleted the new insert?? Our new insert is short,,,and precise history of the group. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.111.122.23 (talk) 13:30, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

If you are a notable band, somebody else is sure to want to write an article about you, citing reliable sources: see "CoI". -- Hoary (talk) 14:16, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
It was deleted as spam as it was only advertising the group and was completely biased. Wikipedia is not for advertising, especially in cases where there is no evidence the band meets the notability requirements (WP:BAND). Please stop reinserting the information as it will only be removed. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

to NIHONJOE...please advise how to insert our article properly in the WP;BAND format?? wikipedia is still fairly new to us...our article is amended and ready for the WP;BAND area???? please advise on what steps to take....many thanks...mod squad —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.111.120.16 (talk • contribs) 23:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I apologize for any confusion. As you have been told repeatedly, your band does not appear to meet the notability requirements detailed at WP:BAND. Therefore, you may not add an article about your band to Wikipedia until it does meet those requirements. I can understand your wish to have an article on Wikipedia, but Wikipedia is not here so you can advertise your band. Please stop trying to add it under various usernames and IPs as any material you add will continue to be removed as blatant advertising. I wish your band good luck, and when it meets the requirements of WP:BAND, you are welcome to contact me and I'll be happy to help create an article which meets the requirements for existing on Wikipedia. We appreciate your cooperation. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:59, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

You keep on saying that we are trying to promote our band??...with the new amended article we are not doing this.(check below our article)...the mod squad have a history...and it needs to be documented in wikipedia-like so many other bands already there...if our new amended article if fine we would like it as the feature of the group..its in no way spam now....and we have stopped using other ip addresses too Please reply...at help us to refine what we have now....thanks.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.111.125.105 (talk • contribs) 09:26, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Read "WP:NM" very carefully. Is your band notable according to Wikipedia's standards, yes or no?
If it isn't, then there cannot be an article.
If it is, then read "WP:COI" very carefully.
If you nevertheless insist on writing about yourself, then read "WP:RS" very carefully. -- Hoary (talk) 10:03, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

ARX-7 Arbalest and ARX-8 Laevatein

I seem to be having multiple issues with User talk:68.228.105.90 (contribs); first of all, he has restored ARX-7 Arbalest and ARX-8 Laevatein numerous times, in violation of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ARX-7 Arbalest and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ARX-8 Laevatein, in which I believe you closed. Regarding the aformentioned articles, he has edit-warred, and now he is starting an edit war on my talk page, in which I believe he is trying to make a WP:POINT, and assumes that he has some form of high level authority. Additionally, I believe that he may be a sock of User:Wikimachine; he edits the exact same articles, plus he has prior knowledge of WP Syntax usage, template usage, WP policy and other general mechanisms of Wikipedia, which I find highly surprising for a hit-and-run IP. -- 李博杰  | —Talk contribs email 14:59, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the sockpuppet issue; the IP has posted messages on my talkpage saying "DRV takes too long, I'm just being BOLD", which sound like a disgruntled banned editor to me. As for the redirects, I have already given the IP a warning and will protect them if he reverts again. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 15:22, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
If you believe the IP is a sock of someone, please take your evidence to WP:SPI. I have semi-protected the redirects. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:08, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Help with translation

Hello! I've been working on The Embalmer, but I've come across some problems with translating. There's a character named 小雪宵子, and I've put the translation down as Shōkō Koyuki. I guessed on romanization of Shōkō, so I'm wondering if it should be Shoko. Also, do you know what the title would translate to? It's 死化粧師/Shigeshoshi, and I haven't been able to find it in my Japanese dictionary. The last thing is this text:

  • 原作：三原ミツカズ「死化粧師」（祥伝社フィールコミックス）
  • 脚本：川嶋澄乃、加藤綾子
  • 演出：森雅弘、水村秀雄、田部井稔、柿沼竹生
  • 主題歌：「ココロの鍵」より子（EMIミュージック・ジャパン）
  • オープニングテーマ：「スライド」超飛行少年（コロムビアミュージックエンタテインメント）
  • 制作：テレビ東京、The icon
  • 製作著作：「死化粧師」製作委員会
  • 発売元・販売元：バップ
  • コミックスが全4巻で累計30万部を超える人気作です

It has directors and such, which would be useful for the article, but I haven't been able to find most of the names, and even the ones I have, I'm not sure if they're correct (they were on the Drama wiki). I understand if you don't have time; I'm not sure how long it takes to translate Japanese, especially when it's mostly kanji. But any help would be much appreciated! Thanks, WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 15:34, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

小雪宵子 would be either Yoiko Koyuki or Shōko Koyuki. You'll almost never find Japanese names in a dictionary unless it's a name dictionary.
For the rest:
  • 原作 Original Story：三原ミツカズ Mitsukazu Mihara「死化粧師」The Embalmer（祥伝社フィールコミックス）Shodensha Feel Comics
  • 脚本 Script：川嶋澄乃 Sumino Kawashima、加藤綾子 Ayako Katō
  • 演出 Directors：森雅弘 Masahiro Mori、水村秀雄 Hideo Mizumura、田部井稔 Minoru Tamegai、柿沼竹生 Takeo Kakinuma
  • 主題歌 Theme Song：「ココロの鍵」 "Kokoro no Kagi" (Key to My Heart) より子 Yorico（EMIミュージック・ジャパン）EMI Music Japan
  • オープニングテーマ Opening Theme：「スライド」 "Slide" 超飛行少年 Super Flying Boy（コロムビアミュージックエンタテインメント）Columbia Music Entertainment
  • 制作 Production：テレビ東京 TV Tokyo、The icon
  • 製作著作 Produced by：「死化粧師」製作委員会 "The Embalmer" Production Committee
  • 発売元・販売元 Promotion：バップ VAP
  • コミックスが全4巻で累計30万部を超える人気作です The four volumes of this popular manga have sold over 300,000 copies.
Hope that helps. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:53, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much! That's a great help! WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 20:48, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Japanese railway stations

I completely disagree with the guideline but I'm sorry for recklessly moving pages. But warning me for vandalism was a bit obnoxious. 17:31, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Not when you're mass-renaming article against established guidelines. You know the rules and how things work around here, so you should know better. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
The hidden guideline doesn't make sense, but whatever. Pzrmd (talk) 18:22, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Not sure how you think it's hidden, but it's there in the WP:MOS-JA, which is linked to from every WP:MOS page. I've also added it to the WP:TIJ banner to make it easier for you. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:25, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. Pzrmd (talk) 18:26, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

New accounts redux

A new account to edit Hayden Panettiere was registered, Xtinarocks (talk · contribs). Also doing the Eurovision articles and Ashlee Simpso including, Ashlee Simpson discography (remember Ashleerocks (talk · contribs), sock of Excuseme99 (talk · contribs)). Xtinarocks made several edits to the Simpson discography, including this one, which inflated the chart position of a song and to the song La La (song). I tagged User talk:Xtinarocks with a suspected sock puppet tag and the account made no new edits. But a new account was registered today [1], which came back in to restore the same chart position on the discography [2] and the song [3]. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:03, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Usernames

Hello, Please understand, (and feel free to point people to this conversation) that I understand why a name that is an IP is blocked. I understand that you were acting in good faith, trying to protect the project from harm. I apologise for any angry words I had, and I wish you well for future. I think my problem was partly with the fact that I couldn't create a different account, and I got focused on the 'words of the policy', and not the 'spirit of the policy' (I guess a mild form of wikilawyering.) Again, kind regards. Hurr87.113.86.207durr (talk) 23:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

NatcollAM

Is flagged as a sock master but hasn't edited in more than 2 1/2 years? And is not actually blocked. I agree User:Natcoll should be blocked, but as a promo role account. Have I missed something? --Stephen 02:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmm...NatcollAM should be blocked. If you view the history of the Natcoll Design Technology article, it appears that there are several employees of that company (possibly all the same person, hence the sock theory) playing around with the article. Natcoll seemed to be only one in a growing list of sock/meat puppets from that company editing that article. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:11, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Regarding User talk:Natcoll

Responding to his unblock request. While both accounts were clearly WP:COI, it is entirely possible, given that there were roughly 2 years between the accounts, that this is two different employees of the company who were unaware that either had created the other account. Also, the NatcollAM account has never been blocked, so it is also possible that THAT account may be an earlier account by the same user, who just forgot his password. Either way, I am not sure a sockblock was the most appropriate course of action here. --Jayron32 05:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

See my comment above. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 08:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Help on editing article Jeffrey Hyland

Hi Nihonjoe! I've reviewed this page's history and saw your note that said, "doesn't meet speedy criteria due to references and claims made in article, needs to be rewritten to remove advertiness, needs additional refs". Thank you for that, for saving this article from being flagged/qualified for speedy deletion. For the past few weeks 'til now, I've been adding references and citations I thought would help or can be considered as reliable sources for the verification of the material. Your thoughts please? ... Regarding its "advertiness", I would truly appreciate a little help from you to guide or get me through it. I'm not so sure about which substance greatly contributes or made it read/sound like it, though I've made some rewriting. Please help me sort them out. Thank you very much. Jxc5 (talk) 01:36, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Impressive

Just dropping by to say ... impressive work at RFA and UAA. - Dank (push to talk) 17:30, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Impressive? How? Just curious. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:32, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

The UAA work is always competent, but what I really like are your comments at WT:RFA. In reverse order:

  • I think this was the right answer, in the sense that it's the only position that has a chance at consensus. I'm glad you were willing to take a stand, especially since there's a chance you'll get some flak over it since people are all over the map on this issue.
  • This suggestion of using an editnotice at RfA is creative and well worth trying.
  • This is accurate and useful information on how crats currently treat rationales and lack thereof.
  • This is also brave, and accurate.
  • Agreed that this was "a poor application of IAR".
  • I was very glad to see this. Even though the discussion about sliding the bar down a tiny bit at RfB didn't go anywhere, I was glad you were pushing in what I see as the right direction (and again, taking a risk, given the flak I was getting).
  • This is the one thing I would change about RFA if I could, encouraging more specific questions ... and I'm not sure that a committed group of people willing to talk with voters about their questions can't accomplish just that, we'll have to see. I also like the fact that you consistently look for commonalities between your response and previous responses ... such a simple thing, but it's so important to acknowledge what others are saying, and not nearly enough people do it at WT:RFA.
  • This template you created was helpful. I wish more people would use it. - Dank (push to talk) 23:23, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. Want to work with me on an editnotice for the RFx pages? ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:48, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I do, but when I think of possible editnotices, they would all work a lot better if we nurture a different culture at RFA. I have some wikistuff to do, then I need to clear out a space in my brain to tackle this, should be just a few days. - Dank (push to talk) 12:46, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Hm. I read back over the discussion we just had at WT:RFA about the idea that oppose votes without rationales might not count in some sense. There is a tide in the affairs of men, and I don't think the tides are right. Maybe later. - Dank (push to talk) 16:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Integration Point, Inc

The removal of the tags from Integration Point, Inc. was done after I added in more references - I was unaware that the matter was unresolved. My mistake. However, after reviewing your comments on my references, I am still confused about why other pages are able to merit Wiki standards. Wikipedia is tough to use, so I was following other company articles, such as Management Dynamics, when writing the Integration Point page. I was trying to learn exactly how an article is written and what is acceptable/unacceptable. Integration Point has 11 references, all of which you said were not credible. Management Dynamics has the following references:

The other 2 references talk about their acquisitions - both of which they have a lot of weight in writing. I am not trying to get Management Dynamics in trouble, but I am trying to understand why their article meets credibility and Integration Point does not? Jmiles1107 (talk) 17:53, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Just because another article has slipped by unnoticed doesn't mean that you have a free pass. Feel free to tag that article as needing cleanup if you wish. I've given the reasoning why most of the refs you provided do not meet the requirements, so there's no need to rehash it here. Please keep the discussion there rather than constantly bringing it here. It's better to have it all in one place. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Special:AbuseFilter/210

Hi, I've disabled this filter which you created. Please see the "Notes" section for the reason. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 20:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I replied inside the notes section there. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:33, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Request Retrieval of "Qik" Article

Hi,

Recently, I have an article by the title of "Qik". It has been replaced by another article called "Qik". I would wish to get back that article and can you tell me why it has been replaced by the new article of QIK? My article is about the mobile blogging website and not the Quantas intelligence. Hopeful that you can help me out with that.

Thanks,

Meng Kiat —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mengkiat (talk • contribs) 22:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

If you disagree with the deletion of the Qik article (and subsequent replacement with a redirect to QIK), feel free to raise your concern on Deletion review. However, I don't think the article will be undeleted as it was a blatant advertisement and not a neutral piece of work at all. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:31, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern

I noticed you zapped the bhappe sikh article, i would request you to do a google search on the term bhappe, it does exist I assure you - if you cannot find any info on this I will happily provide.

I will rename the article just bhappe

I would like to ask you a second question if I may...

If two users collude to exploit wikipedia for commercial, political, religious, religious rule bending, defending terrorist acts in the name of religion or other exploitational purpose, is there an admin to whom you can report this too ? Thanks Analtap (talk) 20:32, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

There are around 1000 admins you can report it to. Feel free to explain the situation here.
As for the Bhappe sikh article, if you can provide reliable sources which show that the information in the article is real and not a hoax, then I will be happy to undelete it. However, as the article was written, it appeared to be nothing but a hoax. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
It looks like "hoax" may not, after all, be the right term. According to this message on my talk page, it's a racist term. I'm not qualified to judge whether this is correct, but if the article makes a reappearance it might have to be considered. Favonian (talk) 08:23, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Perhaps so, but it will need references (reliable ones) in order to be considered. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 08:41, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Unprotecting hiragana

The hiragana page has been protected since July 6. It seems enough time has passed. It is probably worth unprotecting the article. Sifaka talk 16:11, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Done. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:39, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

About Osmancancancan

Hello, Joe! I am reviewing the unblock request of User:Osmancancancan and I think we should give him a second chance. How does that sit with you? Pastor Theo (talk) 00:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Fine by me. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:46, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Here's hoping for the best! :) Pastor Theo (talk) 04:34, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Publisher needed

An issue from the Cross Game GAN that needs addressing: the reference that's currently #5 ({{cite web | url=http://d.hatena.ne.jp/bluefilm/20050831 | title=あだち充『クロスゲーム』第二部#01「ヒマだよ」(週刊少年サンデー40号) | language=Japanese | accessdate=12 July 2007 | date=31 August 2005}}) needs a publisher (and if we can get it, author). Can you handle this one? —Quasirandom (talk) 22:16, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

This is ridiculous

Yes, I am well aware of the rule and it is ridiculous that it is twice reverted by someone who incorrectly claim it unrelated. It is fairly obvious that the disambig page should include all uses of the word, especially when it is well refed. The page even included a totally unrelated Ohama and Oppama, stating obama itself is unrelated is simply no acceptable. I have reverted the page after the talk page message just because people seldom reply if no action is given. —Preceding signed comment added by MythSearchertalk 09:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

You may think it's unacceptable, but simple dictionary definitions do not belong on the page. That's what Wiktionary is for, and that's why I added the link to the Wiktionary article: to make it easy for people to look up other possible definitions. Go add the definition there. It doesn't belong on the disambiguation page. Also, please keep the discussion in one place (at Talk:Obama (disambiguation)) as having to go to multiple pages just to keep up with the discussion can get confusing. Thanks ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 09:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Japanese Cinema Database

Hi, Nihonjoe. I just came across the Japanese Cinema Database, maintained by the Agency for Cultural Affairs:

I've just started using it, and so far it has some valuable info on some very obscure films (my forte :-), which I've seen nowhere else-- including kana for film titles. Possibly even more valuable than the JMDb (except that, so far, it's lacked cast listings on the more obscure titles). You might want to let the appropriate people know about its existence. It might even deserve an article... Dekkappai (talk) 23:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Looks like it's already on the films task force page, so that should be good. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:23, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
...hmmm... now WHO would have put that there? ;) Regards. Dekkappai (talk) 02:23, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Likely some film fairy or other... ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:24, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Forthcoming

What is your source for the title of the fourth Safehold book I saw in Template:Safehold series? Debresser (talk) 23:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

I just copied it from the infobox of the third book (By Heresies Distressed). After a bit of searching, I also found this. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:21, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I've added the reference and the release date to David Weber, etc. Debresser (talk) 19:54, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Dewism

Can you please explain what I should add to the Dewism article so that it meets your criteria for establishing significance of the religious group. The article explains why Dewism was created and how it is independent of other similar beliefs. Ecafyelims (talk) 13:29, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

It failed to meet the general notability requirements as it had no reliable sources, failed to make any sort of claim as to why it was notable, and was therefore unverifiable. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:53, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! Ecafyelims (talk) 17:51, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

OTRS

The discussion was only not going how I wanted it to because both sides were having trouble making their points, or even knowing what issues they were talking about. If you convinced me that OTRS should be a policy, I would like that as much as my convincing you. What I don't want, though, is bickering, personal attacks, facepalms in the middle of a discussion, repeating the same point over and over without addressing anything anyone else said directly, etc. Contrary to your implication, I don't have it in for OTRS, I have it in for unnecessary policy pages and special user groups. Show me why that policy page and special right is needed, and I'll gladly support having it. Let's work together on this.    M   01:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

It's already been explained multiple times: if it's not policy, people will ignore it, and that can't happen when something is referenced to an OTRS ticket. Please don't bring the discussion here, though. It needs to stay all in one place. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: your advice on kanji....

Remember when I asked some advice about putting kanji beside the names in the Iron Chef episodes list that I was working on at the time? I've decided to put only the kanji in parenthesis beside the Japanese challengers names (taking a cue from "List of Prime Ministers of Japan") and include only the "Japanese" pronunciation of the Chinese/Korean challengers' names beside their kanji. I did this as to not overwhelm the tables as well as the file size.

The article I was working on is now up: List of Iron Chef episodes. If you want, you can help improve the article. Or you can tell me what you think and give me further advice. Thanks for the advice on the kanji. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 03:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Move Japanese place names with unusual readings to mainspace?

Your Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan/Place names with unusual readings is a great piece of work. Any reason it's in Wikispace and not in mainspace? I would like to move it or request to move it to mainspace as Japanese place names with unusual readings. (I can see objections from some on the grounds of no references given and from the hyperdeletionists on a convoluted reading of WP:DICT.) — AjaxSmack 16:26, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

The reasons you give are exactly why it's not in mainspace. If you can find some refs for it, then we can move it, perhaps, but not until then. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
If you're worried about having no references at all, I could easily add something from Miller's A Japanese Reader to verify the premise of the article and a few of the main points. However, I don't have a source for your actual lists. (BTW, do you have a source?)
Although I may be part of the problem at Wikipedia, I don't have as a high a threshold for inclusion as you do. If the premise of the article is verifiable (and there's a corresponding Japanese article), put the onus of finding additional sources on other users. If the article languishes in Wikispace, other users are less likely to discover the article and have the opportunity to contribute to it. — AjaxSmack 18:30, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I won't move it to mainspace unless I have good refs for everything. The onus for sourcing/referencing is on the person creating the article, not something to be pawned off on others. All I did was translate a large chunk of the Japanese article (took quite a long time, too). One or two other editors helped by translating portions of the first couple sections (though there is quite a lot more to go). As far as I know, there are no books in English which detail unusual readings of place names, and I haven't really looked for them in Japanese since I would have difficulty obtaining them even if I found some which might. It's where it is mainly because I thought it would be a useful reference for the project, but didn't think it would survive in mainspace. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:36, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
What are your sources for the list? (It's not required to have English-language sources.) — AjaxSmack 18:48, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
As I said, I translated the Japanese article (before they split it into multiple articles). All of the place names in this one were once in that one. Now they are split into multiple other articles. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:02, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
I see what you mean. No sources listed on those spin-off pages either. Well, that's what the template {{Translated page|ja|難読地名|Translated from Japanese Wikipedia as of...}} was made for. I'll try to source what I can in the body text of the article. — AjaxSmack 20:22, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
There is a 難読地名一覧 section in アルク's 日本語能力試験漢字ハンドブック that can be used to reference some of these. Overall they don't seem to match up very well though. I guess everyone has a different definition of "unusual". Dekimasuよ! 05:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

King Records

In this case, a disambiguation page does appear to be necessary. I (and others at WP:DPL) have been going through links to the dab since it came up a few days ago, and there were probably at least 100 links to the American label using the plain title. You can check my recent contributions if you'd like to see 10-20 examples. The American label put out a lot of famous records in the '50s and '60s. I started out with the same impression as you (you can see the comment I left in the collaborations section at WP:DPL), but I work at WP:DPL a lot, and it's actually kind of rare to come across a disambiguation page that has links so split down the middle. If you're worried about the links, I'm sure they'll all be fixed in the next couple of days. Dekimasuよ! 06:47, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Two pages do not require a dab page as hatnotes will suffice for anyone who is lost. The Japanese label is still active and producing new albums, and has been since 1931, 12 years before the US label even existed. I would think a label with that many more years and that many more albums would take precedence. The Japanese label should be the primary topic in this case. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:52, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
There are lots of disambiguation pages that have two pages. Hatnotes are sufficient when one is, in fact, the primary topic, but there isn't one here; age isn't a determining factor. The Japanese label at the plain title got 1900 hits last month; the American label at the parenthetical title got 1600, which might even imply more searches for the American label than the Japanese one. You know that I'm not biased against Japan in any way, and this is also one of the areas I do the most work in on Wikipedia, so I hope you can trust my judgment. If not, let's do a move request. Either direction is fine with me, but if you'd be willing to do it from the parenthetical title back to the plain title, the DPL group can continue fixing the links in the meantime. I'm sure they'd be cleaned up by the time the move request is done. Dekimasuよ! 07:16, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
There are over 330 articles linking to King Records (Japan), and only just over 220 articles linking to the King Records (USA) page now that the links are sorted appropriately. I still think the active label which has been around longer should be the primary topic. To me, it only makes sense. I would say the same thing if it was the USA label which was currently active and had been around longer. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Some people on the dab project argue for placing the disambiguation page at the plain title when even 5% of the hits are to another page (although I'm not one of them), so the definition of primary topic in general use tends to be pretty strict. I don't think there would be much support among other editors for moving the Japanese label back when the levels are 60/40 (based on links) or 55/45 (based on hits). But like I said, a move request would be a fine way to sort things out. Dekimasuよ! 09:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Regarding your block of User talk:Tcuinfobot

I left a comment at UAA specifically requesting that admins hold off blocking for a short while until his username change request could be processed. It looks like you missed my comment when you blocked them. Could you please unblock, so we can avoid scaring off a potentially good user? I was in the process of trying to work with them in a way to avoid such a block. --Jayron32 01:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that. Done. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:12, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Mooch ass grassy ass! Its an easy thing to miss. No harm/no foul. --Jayron32 01:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Usernames

Hi, Nihonjoe. Occasionally I get a hankering to edit some more mainstream Japanese cinema--I've especially got my eyes on Ozu, Zatoichi, Torasan, and maybe Godzilla/Gamera/Ultraman at the moment. My username, obviously, was designed with my special interest in mind. So far, I've only had complaints about it from nationalistic nutcases-- who, frankly, I'm quite happy to annoy, no matter what nation they're from ;) -- but I'm sure there will be some decent people who are quietly annoyed by an editor with my moniker editing some of the major names in the history of Japanese cinema. So would I be breaking any Wikipedia rules by creating a second, less potentially offensive, name for this type of editing, while retaining my old, comfortable one for the Pink films? I'd include notes that both users are myself at both userpages, of course... (I've been thinking of a Korean/Japanese combo-- "Nara" is Korean for "country" So how about "Gojira no o-nara" "Godzilla's honorable country" nothing offensive about that in Japanese is there :) ahem... Dekkappai (talk) 17:57, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so, but you never know. How about just Gojiranara? It would likely be easier for people to figure out and it's shorter. As long as you clearly noted that both accounts were you, and as long as you never participated under both accounts in the same discussion, you should be fine. Just be extremely careful on that last point as there will likely be one or more individuals who will try to catch you slipping up on it. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, will do. I try to avoid the discussions anyway, but sometimes fail, to my later regret. Maybe that will help. :) I'd never use a second name to do something intentionally dishonest like trying to "stack" a vote, obviously... "Onara" was just a little joke... I'll ponder names for a while... Regards. Dekkappai (talk) 18:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
If you don't mind my asking, what does "dekkappai" mean, and why does it tend to inflame nationalists? 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 20:25, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Means "Big boobs". It's inflamed nationalists, I think, only because they're easily inflamed ;) The name's OK for my usual areas of editing-- AVs and Pink films. But I can understand how an editor with this name working on Kurosawa or Ozu might slightly annoy other people though, hence the name-change thoughts... Dekkappai (talk) 20:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Heehee, creative. =) I can see why it might annoy some editors. 「ダイノガイ千？！」? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 20:50, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I can't claim any originality for it though-- got it off a Mariko Morikawa video during a stay in Japan in 1994... Ah, brings back fond mammaries... ah, memories... :) Dekkappai (talk) 20:56, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
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