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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 22:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A Neumann & Associates (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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using Wikipedia for advertising yvanyblog(talk) 23:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete (moved to draft space)‎. ... discospinster talk 00:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vishesh Hemraj (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Test article yvanyblog(talk) 23:42, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 22:51, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Raymund C. King (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The references contained in the article are either not reliable sources or are not independent of the subject. My own searches have not turned up anything better. WP:BIO does not seem to be met. SmartSE (talk) 23:00, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Liz Read! Talk! 06:55, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cooper Saxe (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No evidence of notability, no evidence that this character warrants a page. No sources relating to the character, just an imdb page for the actor. This was previously moved to the draft space on Nov 5 and then moved back without any actual improvement. I would support redirecting to the main TV series or another related article. ‡ El cid, el campeador talk 15:48, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dxneo: - thanks for the note. Sorry I have been afk (do people still say that?) for the past several days or so and was not ignoring your thoughtful response here and on my talk page. I appreciate you taking the time to lay out your arguments. The state of the article certainly caused me to question the character's notability, but I did do a BEFORE inquiry before bringing it here. Obviously we all miss things and maybe this is the case here since the state of the article skewed my thoughts.. but my search stills appears to suggest to me that despite being a character in these shows and this being verifiable, there is not significant in-depth coverage of the character in RS to warrant keeping the article. I note that despite OTHERSTUFFEXISTING that many of the main characters in the show either do not have articles or had their articles deleted (well at least in one instance). I appreciate your input and I invite others to disagree with me, but this is my position and frankly it's just easier to let this run its course at this point. But really, thanks for your thoughtful contributions. Cheers! ‡ El cid, el campeador talk 16:25, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you El, I was actually planning on rewriting the whole article to adequately signify the notability of the character, however I'm currently experiencing mobile data problems therefore I am going to lean towards draftify for now (WP:AtD), if that's possible since there's already a draft. The below mentioned (green) sources are more than enough to pass notability, hopefully someone will takeover. dxneo (talk) 22:12, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Since the AfD hasn't been withdrawn I'm just gonna assume the nominator did not do WP:BEFORE as it states here that the subject was a series regular in the original Power from 2014 to the very last season in 2020, and here that their role was reprised for the spin-off Power Book II: Ghost. As a Power Universe fan, I know the character played a main role for three seasons in the spin-off and I can definitely cite the whole internet to prove it as there are countless RS (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and probably more) on the character. Article needs cleanup and proper citing to comply with our guidelines or incubation so that it can be adequately improved. dxneo (talk) 09:00, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify, I believe that the page has potential and the character is notable, I will personally attend to the page as mentioned above with more RS. dxneo (talk) 22:53, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure)MaxnaCarta  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 08:37, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Phil Gilbert (design executive) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Deeply promotional article - PROD and G11 declined, so here we are. IBM executive, not notable per WP:GNG, not exceptional or outstanding but littered with the language of cultural transformation and 'the philosophy is to identify users’ needs as a starting point.' (Seriously?) That apart, "Corporate presidents, chief executive officers and chairpersons of the boards of directors of companies listed in the Fortune 500 (US) or the FTSE 100 Index (UK) are generally kept as notable." This ain't that. Fails WP:BUSINESSPERSON. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:58, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

--A. B. (talkcontribsglobal count) 04:14, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
All interviews, so don't take us past GNG. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:11, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The Irish Times article interleaves Gilbert's comments with commentary of its own (558 words out of 1364 by my subjective count). It's not a classic interview - sort of a hybrid.
The Fortune articles have some of their own prefatory commentary (301 and 385 words).
The New York Times article is not an interview at all -- it's a lengthy profile of Gilbert and IBM overall. It has a few short quotes from Gilbert but not a lot. 699 words about Gilbert and 2269 about IBM's design efforts overall (which Gilbert is leading).
--A. B. (talkcontribsglobal count) 07:19, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't say The Irish Times provides significant coverage of Gilbert; most of it is quoting him directly or indirectly about changes at IBM, and very little is about Gilbert at all. The New York Times talks more about Gilbert's career and such, but not a terrible lot here either. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 12:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Bhitabaria Union. Liz Read! Talk! 22:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bhitabaria (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Per WP:NGEO. NGA is considered an unreliable source. Nagol0929 (talk) 16:12, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Redirect to Bhitabaria Union. Not seeing multiple sources meeting general notability.
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 05:16, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Smiley Children Society (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable NGO, i removed many references of their Official site which was used as references. — Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 21:28, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Dear Mr. Syed A. Hussain Quadri,
we understand that you have marked the Wikipedia page for NGO organization for deletion. we are writing to you to request that you reconsider your decision.
We are currently in the process of retrieving as much notable information as possible from the internet and the Wayback Machine. We understand that it may take some time to do this, but we are committed to providing reliable sources that will prove the authenticity of this organization.
We believe that this page is important because it will help to raise awareness of organization. It will also provide a valuable resource for people who are interested in learning more about our organization and its mission.
we would be grateful if you would give us some time to complete the process of gathering reliable sources. We are committed to working with you to ensure that the Wikipedia page for organization is accurate and informative.
Thank you for your time and consideration. CAJaganaddamRJY (talk) 02:48, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, not yet notable by WP:ORG. Article is a lot less promotional than it was, and the worst of the WP:REFBOMB has been trimmed, but what's left is nearly all primary sources: listings of their charity registration, donation pages on various sites, links about their founder that don't mention the organisation, etc. I can't find significant secondary coverage of the organisation in WP:RS, just short articles in local news about their projects. Wikishovel (talk) 09:04, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I received an email from a company proposing to create a Wikipedia page for me in exchange for a payment ranging from $1000 to $1500. I'm curious to know if this is a legitimate service provided by Wikipedia or if it might be a potential scam. CAJaganaddamRJY (talk) 04:34, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for your response. I intended to seek assistance in enhancing notability and kindly asked users to review and make necessary modifications, additions, or deletions to information or sources. However, I was surprised to see a swift decision to nominate for AFD or move to drafts. Regarding concerns about sock puppet accounts, I've previously mentioned that people residing in Andhra Pradesh, specifically the Rajahmundry area, are familiar with this topic. If any users express a desire to delete the article in a discussion, it shouldn't be considered as sock puppetry. Additionally, intentional efforts by individuals to comment positively while secretly acting as puppets in a deletion debate should be taken into account. CAJaganaddamRJY (talk) 14:32, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep found news articles, feel it follows wikipedia notability guidelines, as it has reliable sources
https://smileychildrensociety.in/img/medias/blanketsannouncement.webp
https://smileychildrensociety.in/img/medias/worldartday2021.webp
https://smileychildrensociety.in/img/medias/SLATESPOTAVARAM.webp
https://smileychildrensociety.in/img/medias/blaskslatehindi.webp
https://smileychildrensociety.in/img/medias/PrajaSakthifeb2022.webp — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:40F0:118D:8684:54CA:C474:1D04:B12E (talk) 13:41, 13 November 2023 (UTC) 2409:40F0:118D:8684:54CA:C474:1D04:B12E (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • The article has undergone significant improvements, moving away from promotional content and reducing excessive referencing. It is noted that verification on several websites, including Give.do, Nasscom BigTech Foundation, GuideStar, and Give to Asia, involves thorough documentation checks by the respective NGOs. The absence of an online presence, news coverage, and valid documentation prevents the creation of profiles on these platforms, adding a layer of credibility to the verification process.
While acknowledging the concern about the predominantly primary sources, it is crucial to recognize the genuine efforts made by the editor to trim excessive referencing and create a more balanced article. Notably, there is a mention of short articles in local news covering the organization's projects, adding a layer of secondary coverage.
The editor has successfully removed references to the organization's official website, indicating a commitment to objectivity and balance. The organization's verification by Nasscom BigTech Foundation further adds credibility to its notability.
It's essential to consider that the organization may not have a significant digital footprint, yet the genuine work and longstanding presence are evident from images showcasing their efforts with children. The focus on improving the quality of content on Wikipedia and the request for Admin review demonstrate a commitment to transparency and adherence to Wikipedia guidelines.
In conclusion, given the efforts to address concerns, the credibility of verification sources, and the organization's significant local impact, it is recommended to keep the article. Further improvements and collaborative editing may enhance its overall notability on Wikipedia. CAJaganaddamRJY (talk) 11:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The page includes references from approximately 24 websites, with the majority of them undergoing verification primarily through the documentation check process of specific NGOs (such as Give.do, Nasscom BigTech Foundation, GuideStar, Give to Asia, etc.). These verification processes often necessitate the submission of valid and authenticated documents by the respective NGOs. Notably, the absence of an online presence, news coverage, and valid documentation may prevent the creation of a profile for a particular NGO on these platforms. It is likely/not that this page will be accessed and discussed mainly by editors who possess knowledge about charitable organizations and are familiar with the intricacies of the verification procedures employed by these websites. CAJaganaddamRJY (talk) 10:31, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Notability is not determined with quantity (other than "mutiple" which indicates more than one), it is about quality. Adding more references is just creating a WP:REFBOMB.
  • Comment - Hey Editors, after research in website found on google, i got some links which states the organization's presence have a look ! thank you
Some Websites tell about this organisation
1)https://fundraisers.giveindia.org/nonprofits/smiley-children-society
2)https://pages.razorpay.com/smiley
3)https://paypal.me/smileyindia
4)https://www.linkedin.com/company/14996302
5)https://in.linkedin.com/company/smiley-children-society
6)https://www.f6s.com/smiley-children-society
7)https://bigtech.nasscomfoundation.org/user/192588/organizations/174102
8)https://self4society.mygov.in/story/special-gifts-to-smiley-children-society-angara-feeding-center-children/
9)https://self4society.mygov.in/story/broken-hand-of-old-lady-rescued-by-smiley-children-society/
10)https://greatnonprofits.org/org/smiley-children-society
11)rss feed : https://www.smileychildrensociety.in/blog-rss.xml
12)https://smiley-children-society.fandom.com/wiki/Smiley_Children_Society_Wiki
13)https://www.betterplace.org/en/organisations/57332-smiley-children-society?utm_campaign=email-notifications&utm_medium=www-betterplace-org--en--organisations--57332-smiley-children-society&utm_source=organisation_manager_notifier-organisation_registration
14)https://www.startus.cc/company/smiley-children-society — Preceding unsigned comment added by CAJaganaddamRJY (talkcontribs) 04:22, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
None of this remotely meets the sourcing requirements. MrOllie (talk) 19:29, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment
Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article
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The absence of sources or citations in an article (as distinct from the non-existence of sources) does not indicate that a subject is not notable. Notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate presence or citation in an article. Editors evaluating notability should consider not only any sources currently named in an article, but also the possibility or existence of notability-indicating sources that are not currently named in the article. Thus, before proposing or nominating an article for deletion, or offering an opinion based on notability in a deletion discussion, editors are strongly encouraged to attempt to find sources for the subject in question and consider the possibility that sources may still exist even if their search failed to uncover any.
Wikipedia articles are not a final draft, and an article's subject can be notable if such sources exist, even if they have not been named yet. If it is likely that significant coverage in independent sources can be found for a topic, deletion due to lack of notability is inappropriate. However, once an article's notability has been challenged, merely asserting that unspecified sources exist is seldom persuasive, especially if time passes and actual proof does not surface. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CAJaganaddamRJY (talkcontribs) 04:51, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- The subject fails GNG and NORG, regardless of the refbombing and the half-dozen IP votes. JTtheOG (talk) 05:51, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    half-dozen IP votes : I can see this for every article for deletion, and i tried to trace them who is it.. i think its a part of escalation and showing a new reason that by a particular team/group, in front face : it shows like a positive in debate, but in real its looking like.. the author has making it done as puppets so delete this page thats it !
    Editors are also coming to conclusion by this other than checking actual notability or related websites or online presence .
    today morning i have seen two IP Address removed AFD tag, and then some editor again reverted it !
    im aware that, debate must be closed by a administrator, so i will not try to do this cheap tricks ! CAJaganaddamRJY (talk) 05:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Nah, I looked at the sources. I appreciate your dedication to this, but I would advise you to take a look at WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 06:42, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Does not meet notability guidelines for organizations and its associated primary criteria. A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is presumed notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. No, the references in the article do not meet the primary criteria, and no, CAJaganaddamRJY, do not bludgeon the process. Tails Wx 02:40, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Tried to get information from Reputed websites and pasted here
  • 1. Behance - Smiley Children Society Work Images[2]
  • 2. Give.do - Conforming Legal Nature of Organisation[3]
  • 3. Medium.com - Story about childrens day by Founder[4]
  • 4. Andhra Pradesh Times - Manufacture of Disposable Pads for Women[5]
  • 5.Guide Star - Guide Star Certification of Smiley Organisation[6]
  • 6. Great non Profits.Org - EIN Certification for Smiley
  • 7. Andhra Pradesh Now - Smiley Gets FCRA Approval News[7]
  • 8. NGO Darphan - Indian Govt. Website [8]
  • 9. AndhraOnline.in - Location Verified Business Profile[9]
  • 10. Idealist - Pothavaram Feeding Center[10]
  • 11. Self4Society.mygov.in - Smiley Story from Govt Website[11]
  • 12. Andhra Pradesh Now - YSR Award Nomination[12]
  • 13. NGO4u.com - Legality [13]
  • 14. Google Maps - Smiley All Branches [14]
  • 15. NGO Foundation - List of Members in Smiley Children Society [15]
  • 16. StartUS - Org Info [16]

CAJaganaddamRJY (talk) 19:25, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.reddit.com/user/Wiki_AfD_Watch/
  2. ^ https://www.betterplace.org/en/organisations/57332-smiley-children-society?utm_campaign=email-notifications&utm_medium=www-betterplace-org--en--organisations--57332-smiley-children-society&utm_source=organisation_manager_notifier-organisation_registration
  3. ^ https://give.do/nonprofits/smiley-children-society
  4. ^ https://medium.com/@loyal_purpureus_mouse_350/shaping-tomorrows-citizens-a-call-for-transformation-in-today-s-children-e44bbdf479c7
  5. ^ https://web.archive.org/web/20230329102154/http://andhrapradeshtimes.in/rajamudry-ngo-smiley-children-society-women-to-manufacture-disposable-sanitary-pads-says-founder-prudhvi-moses.html
  6. ^ https://guidestarindia.org/Summary.aspx?ccreg=12121
  7. ^ https://web.archive.org/web/20231118185825/https://andhrapradeshnow.in/Smiley%20Children%20Society%20Receives%20FCRA%20Approval%20for%20Global%20Fundraising.html
  8. ^ https://ngodarpan.gov.in/index.php/home/statewise_ngo/6581/28/475?
  9. ^ https://mandapeta.andhraonline.in/profile/smiley-children-society
  10. ^ https://www.idealist.org/en/nonprofit/a74c63ee2bfa485b85b66bf5c9cb7540-smiley-children-society-pothavaram
  11. ^ https://self4society.mygov.in/story/children-in-pothavaram-feeding-gets-gifts-smiley-children-society/
  12. ^ https://web.archive.org/web/20231118185612/https://andhrapradeshnow.in/Smiley%20Children%20Society%20Nominated%20for%20YSR%20Lifetime%20Achievement%20Award%202023.html
  13. ^ https://www.ngo4you.com/list-ngo-east-godavari-andhra-pardesh/
  14. ^ https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1raYpD682tKVE6MAjg3hUKusnWE4zsCE&ll=17.065082505028865%2C80.25028565000001&z=9
  15. ^ https://www.ngofoundation.in/ngo-database/smiley-children-society-contact-number-address-details_i107172
  16. ^ https://www.startus.cc/company/smiley-children-society
None of this remotely meets the sourcing requirements. MrOllie (talk) 19:29, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Liz Read! Talk! 07:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Modi'in Ezrachi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Reviewed during NPP. No indication of wp: notability under GNG or SNG. North8000 (talk) 02:04, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep per the four refs found by DannyS712 plus 6 more that I found and added to the article.
--A. B. (talkcontribsglobal count) 05:49, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment: Remove all content that isn't sourced which is a fair bit of it and then re-assess after we see what's left.
MaskedSinger (talk) 11:54, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. It's an older Israeli company and it is a larger Israeli company, on a national scale. As pointed out above me, there is plenty of sourcing. So absolutely no reason to delete. IF IT WAS part of a larger group, a merge could have been considered. From what I could find, it is a family-owned corporation and its own entity. Which brings me back to the sourcing. DannyS712 found sourcing in English. That's awesome! Between 10, 100, and 1000 SIGCOV sources in Hebrew, 100 would be my best estimate. I added just one that was relevant to the rest of my answer. gidonb (talk) 14:30, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge‎ to FinTech Hub, Kolkata. Liz Read! Talk! 22:53, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vertical City, New Town (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Planned tower fails WP:NBUILD Dewritech (talk) 19:45, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Voorts, you have a good idea. Note though, that a draft will get deleted in 6 months if it's in draft space. This building may not have even started then. An alternative would be for some editor to step forward and ask that the article be moved to a subpage of their own user page where there is no expiration date.
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  • I like the merge proposal. With something like this, moving to draft is just 6-month delayed deletion. Better to keep the history in mainspace, so that it can easily be reconstructed if/when it is finished and discussed in reliable indept sources. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:21, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Merge: target seems reasonable to me – while not appearing notable on its own (yet), it seems due for inclusion in the article on the district when so much is still under development there. Tollens (talk) 23:13, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. plicit 03:14, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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No refs and nothing verified on the page for many years, with a notability tag since 2012. It looks possible that the topic is notable but the current page reads like an unverified essay and needs WP:TNT JMWt (talk) 14:35, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Publicly accessible link to the second article: [7]. Regards, HaeB (talk) 21:08, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete per nom. Eleven years should have been enough time for adding citations, and as pointed out above, the content would likely need to be thoroughly rewritten and corrected anyway even if suitable references are added. Regards, HaeB (talk) 21:08, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was ‎Keep. Eluchil404 (talk) 02:35, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of notability under SNG or GNG. No GNG sources and as a result has only a few sentences of the basics plus sports team info. North8000 (talk) 22:11, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Those were some nice additions. I am genuinely not concerned how this ends up; I'm just trying to do my job properly. On the latter point, wp:nschool is basically (a tougher version of) GNG, i.e. GNG with the org restriction added to GNG sources. I don't see any sources that meet even basic GNG. Even some edge case GNG sources would be enough to make me switch to "keep". Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 12:15, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, user:North8000. I am struggling to understand what you mean by "basic GNG" sources. The general notability guidelines state no fixed amount of sources is required. There are different sources from three news orginizations present, all reflecting a neutral point-of-view. They are obviously independent from the subject, as are other government sources present in the article. I don't see their reliability being an issue.
It would be greatly appreciated if you could elaborate.
I wasn't referring to any of those aspects, I was referring to ""Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail". So a (independent published) source that writes about the school in some depth. Even one of those would make me switch my opinion to "keep". And I'm just one person here, that may not be needed to have the article kept. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:46, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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North8000, NSCHOOL is not tougher than GNG: it just says the school must meet GNG or NORG. If it meets NORG, it will automatically meet GNG, so (in my opinion) it might as well just redirect to GNG. Others have commonly interpreted this as requiring for profit schools to meet NORG, while public schools are only required to meet the less-stringent GNG. Either way, GNG is the applicable standard for this public school. — Jacona (talk) 14:07, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would not argue against what you just said, it prima facie logically follows NSCHOOL as written. What I was referring to is that with NORG mentioned, it often / defacto calibrates (or otherwise influences) GNG to include the additional NORG criteria when applying GNG. I'm not pursuing that approach, just explaining my choice of words. Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 18:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. There has been considerable expansion to the article. It currently has 22 references. This is enough to meet the general notability guideline, and then remember that according to policy. Sources do not have to be online. This school is in its 85th school year. The internet is by comparison, brand-spanking-new. Most of the sources for a school this age are going to be offline. Anyway, off the soapbox, what's been added to the article provides sufficient coverage to meet GNG, even though it's bound to be a small minority of the coverage that exists. Jacona (talk) 11:52, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Meets WP:GNG. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:25, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I just went through all (currently) 22 references and can't find one with even 1/4 of GNG coverage. I can't even find one that even writes a few sentences about the school. There are database type entries, several about a sporting event, one about a bomb threat, one is Google maps showing where the city of Hardin is, others with a passing factoid or a list where they are included. North8000 (talk) 19:45, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete‎. CSD G7 Liz Read! Talk! 09:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Unnecessary content fork. Typically, World Cup semi-finals don't warrant a separate article from the parent article, this is no different. Besides which, it goes on about a match from 2011, between two cricket rivals (which warrants greater notability). Only the final should be covered in any greater detail. StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 21:29, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 19:00, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:INHERITORG While the parent organization might be notable, there's nothing to indicate that the College of Arts and Sciences is. Wozal (talk) 16:24, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. plicit 05:38, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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No evidence found of notability. Fram (talk) 14:18, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 22:58, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Abaali (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Torn about putting this up for AfD. Finding sources for any of the numerous, essay-like claims in this has been difficult given that there is not consensus on which name to use. Given that there is a substantial population who speak Ibaali and can probably be defined as an ethnic group, this topic most likely warrants an article but this article is a mess and almost none of it can be verified. Scrap it and start over. Kazamzam (talk) 20:05, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Hamburg Airport. Liz Read! Talk! 22:59, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Hamburg Airport hostage incident (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS. This is a recent, isolated event that resolved quickly and doesn't appear to have any lasting impact or braoder ramifications. We don't create articles for every news story. ZimZalaBim talk 20:05, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Macy's, Inc.. Eddie891 Talk Work 20:02, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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This division of Macy's does not seem to be independently notable from the rest of the company. Article is further unreferenced and could not find any RS's. Recommending deletion or merging. InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 19:35, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Jack Washburn. signed, Rosguill talk 15:41, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Tagged for notability since 2010. Couldn't BLP PROD it since it has ELs, though no references. Fails the general and biography-specific notability policies. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:49, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Tagged for notability since 2010. Fails the general and organization notability policies. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. signed, Rosguill talk 15:40, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Tagged for notability since 2010. Fails the general notability policies. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:25, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request undeletion of these articles. plicit 14:45, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Embassy of the United States, Vientiane (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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None of these articles tells us anything about the purported topic, namely the embassy building of the United States in various foreign capitals. Instead, they deal with bilateral relations, and articles covering that phenomenon already exist.

I am also nominating the following related pages:

Embassy of the United States, Majuro (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Embassy of the United States, Riga (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Embassy of the United States, La Paz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Embassy of the United States, Djibouti City (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)Biruitorul Talk 19:22, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 23:01, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Prantle (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The available sources are press releases of their establishment. Moreso, sources are talking about Ogelle, so, I am surprised why they're being used in an entry called Prantle formally known as Jawonsi. Best, Reading Beans (talk) 17:22, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:01, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Basic Education High School No. 2 Mayangone (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unsourced, can't find any evidence of notability in BEFORE searches. Seawolf35 (talk - email) 17:19, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Complex/Rational 02:55, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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There’s no way that you could find secondary, independent sources. Equalwidth (C) 16:45, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Amy Walter. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:48, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The Cook report gets, at most, a brief mention in a few sources. I could not find sources about the Report itself that confirm that it is, by itself, notable. What non-primary sources appear in the article are used for original research that compares the Report's predictions with elections outcomes, and are thus not suitable for independent notability. Cortador (talk) 15:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment, i am also not finding much independent reporting on the report itself, but i find quite a bit of the report disseminated in all kinds of primary and social channels. that alone of course does not mean the content is sufficiently notable.
Iljhgtn (talk) 16:25, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have seen some mentioning. As of now, the article has a single independent source mentioning the Cook Report - a throwaway reference in a Politico article. I also noticed that this article has had tags for years, until someone removed them in 2022, stating that there were enough in-line citations, apparently ignoring that they were exclusively primary sources. Cortador (talk) 20:03, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Stevens, Matt (October 13, 2020). "Cook Report calls Democrats the 'clear favorite' to take Senate control, as races tilt leftward". The New York Times.
  2. ^ Greenwood, Max (December 30, 2021). "Cook Report projects GOP as clear favorite to win House majority". The Hill.
  3. ^ Todd, Chuck; Murray, Mark; Dann, Carrie (October 11, 2018). "The GOP has big top-of-ticket problems in key House battlegrounds". NBC News.
  4. ^ Kane, Paul (April 8, 2023). "New report outlines the deep political polarization's slow and steady march". The Washington Post.
  5. ^ Simon, Scott (August 7, 2021). "Charlie Cook Passes The Baton On 'The Cook Political Report'". Weekend Edition Saturday. NPR.

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We can't conflate Z quoting X saying something about Y as conferring notability on X. We need SIGCOV about X in and of itself. In this case we need analyis that discusses the impact of the Cook Political Report, or its methods or its reliablility or its influence. But a long list of sources where other people quote its reports only tells us about the subject of the reports, it is synthesis to draw conclusions about its notability from that alone. Of the sources above, only the last one is indirectly about the Report (and at best only constitutes a passing mention), it's really more about Charlie Cook themself. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 07:29, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's where I'm at. Almost no sources are about the Cook Report, they are just using data from it. The articles are always about election X and poll Y. Even if this article was not deleted, once everything that relies on passing mentions or primary sources gets removed, we will be left with half the lead and nothing else. I think redirecting as suggested above is the right move, and possibly including whatever is actually noteworthy about the Report in Charlie Cook's or Amy Walter's articles. Cortador (talk) 12:19, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We can't conflate Z quoting X saying something about Y as conferring notability on X. We need SIGCOV about X in and of itself. While it is true that per the GNG you do need SIGCOV, it's not unreasonable to argue that we should consider how broadly something is cited when determining its notability, especially in what would otherwise be an edge case. Elli (talk | contribs) 05:40, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd agree and that's why I'm in favour of a redirect here, rather than delete. Yes, it would appear the reports are widely cited, but that's *our impression*, not something we're yet to see supported by reliable sourcing. In the absence of that sourcing, we're engaged in SYNTHESIS for the purposes of keep. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 08:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Determining that something is widely-cited based on there being a lot of citations to it is not SYNTH. Including it in the article arguably would be, but just for helping with determining notability, it isn't. And again, being widely-cited isn't explicitly part of the notability guidelines, but clearly with everything else being equal, something widely-cited would have more of a claim to notability than something that isn't, if the sources discussing the subject are right on the line. I don't think that's the case here, though, so I also favor a redirect (though as mentioned above, I don't particularly like redirects like this, as there isn't a great target). Elli (talk | contribs) 15:43, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think we're disagreeing ... :) ... nevertheless, if you'll pardon the pun, there's a lot of devilish detail to "a lot". Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 22:46, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge‎ to Columbia Records#The 1990s–present. Liz Read! Talk! 23:02, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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This page has been marked for notability since September 2010, and seems to fail general and biographical requirements. It may be preferable to Merge this page somewhere within Columbia Records, but I'm of the opinion that it be Deleted. AlexTheAwkward (talk) 15:06, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, i like your suggestion of merging the content, not all of it, but just a brief small couple of lines that takes all of the content and retains the most important bits within the actually notable aricle, Columbia Records.Iljhgtn (talk) 16:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge‎ to List of megalithic monuments in Ireland. plicit 14:13, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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This is an unreferenced list. There is a separate List of megalithic monuments in Ireland, which probably needs more maintenance, but is a good starting page. This one for Cork then seems redundant. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 14:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, take the content and cross reference with the List of megalithic monuments in Ireland page. Iljhgtn (talk) 16:29, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Only the nominator advocated to delete the article and participants reached different conclusions on the sourcing. Suggestions to merge the article into Constitution of North Korea can occur on the talk page. (non-admin closure) Enos733 (talk) 19:18, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Eternal leaders of North Korea (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is the first time I've ever done this, so please forgive me if I mess up. Most of this article is sourced from Wikisource, which is not a source. The only other mention was a very trivial mention of the subject in the middle of a sentence[12]:

The new constitution was adopted by the first session of the tenth Supreme People's Assembly (SPA) on September 5, 1998. Unlike the 1972 socialist constitution, the newer version has a preamble that codifies the signature identity of the DPRK as a theocratic Kim II-sung state: Kim II-sung, "the founder of the DPRK and the socialist Korea:' is "the sun of the nation" and "the eternal President of the Republic:' The DPRK Socialist Constitution is the Kim Il-sung constitution." Although nominally proposed by Kim Yong Nam (president of the Presidium of the SPA), the reelection of Kim Jong-il as chairman of the National Defense Commission (NDC) was legitimized by the father, as the son's "election" was "initiated and recommended by the great Kim II-sung, the eternal leader of the Korean people in his lifetime." The first session of the tenth SPA was said to be "an epochal occasion in firmly defending and exalting the nature of our republic as the state of President Kim II-sung.""

WP:SIGCOV requires significant, secondary coverage, for which this topic has none. If I made a mistake, or I'm in error, I'll be happy to withdraw the nomination. Please forgive the newbie. Thanks.Stix1776 (talk) 13:36, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: I believe documents stored on WikiSource that are copies of sources published elsewhere are fine. Here its citing constitutions which are primary sources and has issues there, but I don't think being on WikiSource makes the constitutions unreliable sources.
TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 17:06, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Problem is with North Korea, there usually isn't anything outside of primary sourcing, it's all government controlled media in the country. Some historic documents or the rare time foreigners are allowed in to report on things, both being the exception (The Voice of America was allowed in to witness a rocket launch probably in the last decade if memory serves, but that's not the norm). I'll see what else I can find, but most North Korean articles are usually permastubs, just given how hard sourcing is. Oaktree b (talk) 21:24, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b Have you honesty read those sources you're citing? Both of them list the phrase "eternal leaders" exactly once, uncapitalized, as an object in a sentence. How is this not trivial? There's heaps of secondary sources about North Korea. Is there a Wikipolicy that North Korea is an exception for notability and doesn't require secondary coverage?Stix1776 (talk) 12:28, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the current sourcing could maybe be improved but I think it's still a noteworthy topic. I can try to dig up more sources that prove this upon request toobigtokale (talk) 04:05, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@ToobigtokalePlease do. I looked and I'm unable to find it. Thanks.Stix1776 (talk) 12:20, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Various South Korean sources:
  • [15][16][17] These articles from major SK news sources discuss the 2016 constitutional revision in the context of legitimizing the NK regime's succession
  • Hankyung from 2004, about Kim Jong Il
  • Tongil News from 2001
I think maybe one could argue that the topic could be merged to another page, but I'm fairly confident there's adequate sourcing on the topic to not have it be deleted. toobigtokale (talk) 18:31, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment while there's certainly reliable source coverage of the creation and use of the title,[1][2][3] which essentially boils down the adoption of hereditary power in DPRK, there doesn't appear to be anything that cannot be covered in Constitution of North Korea.

References

  1. ^ Kristof, Nicholas D. (7 September 1998). "Death Doesn't End Rule of Kim Il Sung, 'Eternal President'". New York Times. North Korea announced today that it had revised its Constitution to make its late Great Leader, Kim Il Sung, the country's eternal President.
  2. ^ "Leadership Transition in North Korea". Council on Foreign Relations. 13 January 2012.
  3. ^ Goedde, Patricia (2020). "Beyond Sham: The North Korean Constitution". Asian Perspective. 44 (1): 1–29. doi:10.1353/apr.2020.0002.

Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 05:38, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The first two articles don't even mention "eternal leader", and the last one just mentions it twice as predicate to a sentence, in different paragraphs. Not exactly notable.Stix1776 (talk) Stix1776 (talk) 12:33, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: That's an article created long ago and it's not of an unimportant topic - the notorious, world-known and unique North Korean personality cult and the Juche secular religion. Not to mention that by constitution, as part of this cult, North Korea is currently the only necrocracy in the world, thus the "Eternal President", "Eternal Leaders" thing. Also, there are way more unimportant topics that have their articles, like Generalissimus of the Soviet Union, for example, a pseudo-military rank created specifically for Stalin in 1945. GreatLeader1945 (talk) 16:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. plicit 14:12, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Randall Zindler (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Tagged for notability since 2010. Fails the general and biography-specific notability policies. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. plicit 14:15, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Tagged for notability since 2010. Fails the general and journalist-specific notability policies. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:29, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. plicit 14:15, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Credits are too meager to satisfy WP:NACTOR. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:29, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. plicit 14:12, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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An electoral division in Ireland is used only for the purposes of census calculation, and thereafter as a component of local electoral areas or Dáil constituencies. Per WP:GEOLAND, "Census tracts ... are not presumed to be notable". I can't see any other distinguishing features for this area. Iveagh Gardens (talk) 13:26, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎ and move to Amingaon railway station. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 19:01, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NTRAINSTATION and WP:GNG. Nagol0929 (talk) 13:05, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, plicit 13:19, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. There's verification concerns. Amingaon is the settlement's name and the name of a former railway station in operation from 1907 to 1963. Amin Gaon is the title of the article, there's no passenger station but a railway line terminates at a container site, which some 'sources' (not necessarily reliable) suggest was a railway station. Perhaps was in 2017 when this article was written, but need confirmation. Rupples (talk) 15:15, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and move to Amingaon railway station I think Rupples is correct the actual name of this station is without the space, searching for sources without the space gave some sources:
Jumpytoo Talk 19:48, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. plicit 12:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chandrani Das (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NACTOR Katy Williamson (talk) 11:20, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - agree with nom that this does not meet WP:NACTOR. Kazamzam (talk) 11:53, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. WP:SNOW keep. Concerns about the article title and content can be dealt with over at the article's talk page. No point in keeping this open any longer. (non-admin closure) ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 17:36, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Use of human shields by Hamas (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This page is a clear WP:POVFORK that has been created from exactly one side of a two-sided and balanced section at the parent page Human shield, which covers the full breadth of human shield usage in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. This page, by selectively duplicating one-side of this – rather than splitting out both sides of the content together into a page titled, say, Use of human shields in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict – makes the resulting item no longer two-sided and balanced, but POV by design. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

keep Topic appears to meet required need to create its own article, since this topic has been the extensive topic of international contentions regarding Hamas as well as a central tenant in the criticism toward Hamas. Furthermore, it appears that there is a lot of extensive research and media reports on the subject. Therefore there should be an independent article on the subject. meets WP:GNG, use of reliable sources vital and important.
Also per @Marokwitz This page cannot be a WP:POVFORK since by definition Homerethegreat (talk) 14:32, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Homerethegreat: - I am puzzled, you very recently [19] proposed moving Palestinian genocide accusationGenocide allegations in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, as in your words, both Israeli and Palestinian sources frequently accuse each other of genocide or genocidal intention ... to gain objectivity ... Neutrality (NPOV) will be better served by such an article. Here, we have accusations of human shield usage from both Israeli and Palestinian sources (see content at Human shield#Israeli–Palestinian conflict), so by your logic, to gain objectivity, shouldn't neutrality be better served by an article like Use of human shields in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? starship.paint (RUN) 15:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Question to you: In your opinion, should we rename Comparisons between Israel and Nazi Germany to Comparisons to Nazism in the Israeli Palestinian conflict and Israeli settler violence to Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? This is in line with the suggestion that I mentioned above, by @Levivich . If the consensus here is to consistently apply the same idea across all articles in the I/P conflict space then it would be something I'd support. Marokwitz (talk) 19:37, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Marokwitz: - first it would depend on how much material there is, if there is significant material on comparisons between Palestinians and Nazis, I could consider the proposal, but I also would like to know how the combined article would be structured. Secondly, for the settler violence article, I would say no because I think the scope of Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict would be far too broad, which would include all war actions. A proposed combined article regarding comparison to Nazis would not be too broad. starship.paint (RUN) 00:44, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep. As others mentioned, this is strongly referenced with high quality sources, additionally, as others mentioned this is a WP:SPINOFF and not a WP:POVFORK. Ill also say, given recent news around the event and the delete proposer's actions with the Nakba denial article changes and proposals, this for me follows under an invalid reason to delete specifically WP:DLS Lhendre (talk) 03:35, 17 November 2023 (UTC)non-ec editor[reply]
Keep There are plenty of sources that talk about Hamas's use of human shields without mentioning Israel's use of them -- they are not always dealt with as a pair. See, e.g.,WaPo; NATO (2008 - 2014); CNN; NYT; Vox; Channel 4. The outcome of this AfD is not determinative of whether an article on Israel's use of human shields is created or kept. --Orgullomoore (talk) 06:30, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is absurd. A very prominently-covered phenomenon, which has sparked debate and implied conclusions that have themselves received a lot of coverage. Obviously keep. Zanahary (talk) 06:52, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Factual article about a very important facet if the conflict. Well sourced with high quality sources. GidiD (talk) 07:54, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Can the use of human shields really be compared between Hamas and Israel? Can IDF soldiers who have used in the past what is called the "neighbor procedure" for security operations be compared to Hamas' use of schools, mosques, children's bedrooms and hospitals as hiding places for the organization's leadership? Eladkarmel (talk) 08:53, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, clearly notable topic. BilledMammal (talk) 16:24, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Use of human shields in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The nom is correct that this is at best an evident POV fork. The WP:SPINOFF argument is not persuasive; if the content was simply spun off from the human shields page, it would encompass allegations against both sides. By selectively emphasizing one side, it is definitionally a POV fork. WillowCity(talk) 00:17, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how this is evident. I spun American logistics in the Normandy campaign off from Normandy campaign. There was no evident need for it to cover German logistics. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:53, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's not really analogous, though. Operation Overlord was a legitimate (and heroic) military campaign, not a war crime. Keeping with World War II history, a better analogy would be if you had spun off the "Arguments against justification" section of the Bombing of Dresden in World War II article, without preserving any other content or context from the parent article, thereby creating the impression that the carpet-bombing is universally considered unjustifiable and criminal. And even that's not a perfect analogy. WillowCity(talk) 02:07, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Consensus seems that the award is significant enough to justify meeting WP:NBOOK. (non-admin closure) NotAGenious (talk) 12:11, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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fails general notability guideline. tagged unsourced since july. ltbdl (talk) 08:42, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Per the article lead, "The illustrations in the book earned Rohmann the Caldecott Medal in 2003." Therefore it passes WP:NBOOK point 2 (winning a major literary award). CohenTheBohemian (talk) 14:18, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The award makes it notable (but it's not one I'm familiar with, so I could understand perhaps why the nom was made.). This in Common Sense Media [20] also helps notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:26, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Won a major children's literature award and had a TV series inspired by it. A miserable WP:BEFORE failure. Nate (chatter) 23:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I'm going to assume that ltbdl is unfamiliar with the Caldecott Medal. Essentially this is the children's literature equivalent of winning the Academy Award for Best Film. It's THE award as far as American children's literature goes. It's granted by the American Library Association, which is one of the biggest authorities on library science in the United States. They also of course cover literature and are influential in that sphere as well. There's really not a bigger or more influential award that a kid's book could really win as far as US specific awards go. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 17:10, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: If it won a major award and has a televison show based off of it, it's most likely notable enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheOmniDex (talkcontribs) 02:35, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. plicit 06:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of programmes broadcast by CITV (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Massive list of unoriginal programming. Clearly violates WP:NOTTVGUIDE, the few original shows are already discussed at CITV#Programming, so there is nothing to merge. No objection to a redirect to parent.  // Timothy :: talk  07:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television, Lists, and United Kingdom. WCQuidditch 11:49, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I know this is probably going to be kept because of ITSNOTABLE editors will go on and on about why this should be kept and overwhelm policy arguments, but this is a lousy list, badly formatted (with odd detours about other unrelated things), its sourcing is terrible, to a bare-bones listing site that only sources things fourteen days out (thus it does not have the sources now), along with a competitor to ITV. It also contains films, which are never a part of any list of network article because anyone can buy any movie to air at any time. It's also a regular protection target because of IP vandalism; this list is better served by the category system. Nate (chatter) 23:04, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:TNT – There's a reasonable chance to build a proper list for this topic. However, in its current state, it's too difficult to sort original or first-run programming (worthy of inclusion) from acquired programming/reruns (not worthy of inclusion). RunningTiger123 (talk) 00:58, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge‎ to EMD SD45T-2. (non-admin closure) NotAGenious (talk) 11:57, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

EMD SD45T-2R (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This appears to be have been WP:REFBOMBed to make it appear more notable than it is. Review of the one source that is publicly accessible reveals that EMD SD45T-2R is not mentioned at all. Online searches for EMD SD45T-2R yield insufficient information to demonstrate notability, and mostly brings up results for EMD SD45T-2. I can not see how this passes WP:GNG. TarnishedPathtalk 07:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: It's another example of Rebuilt diesel locomotives besides its completely new y'know. 220.235.238.29 (talk) 07:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC) 220.235.238.29 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
There's proof here: EMD SD45T-2R: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia
220.235.238.29 (talk) 08:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@220.235.238.29, that's not the proof you think it is. Please don't WP:GAME the system. TarnishedPathtalk 09:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am literally doing my best to try and spare this article and the GE U25BE article from deletion. 220.235.238.29 (talk) 09:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We need tons of sourcing for locomotive articles, the typical Kalmbach books generally aren't enough. We need extensive coverage from a museum study of the class, or a feature-length article in Trains or Railfan and Railroad... Oaktree b (talk) 16:29, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Lustig, David (December 2001). "Phoenix-like tunnel motors just keep on working". Trains. Vol. 61, no. 12. pp. 26–27. ISSN 0041-0934.
  2. ^ Rutherford, Brian (May–June 1991). "Southern Pacific's EMD SD45T-2 Tunnel Motors". Diesel Era. Vol. 2, no. 3. pp. 8–23.
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The result was merge‎ to GE U25B. (non-admin closure) NotAGenious (talk) 11:54, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GE U25BE (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This appears to have been WP:REFBOMBed to make it appear more notable than it is. By my analysis most of the citations are in regards to Southern Pacific 3100 specifically and not GE U25BE and even then 3100 is only touched on in passing. The citations that do cover GE U25BE specifically do so in passing as far as I can determine. I can not see how this passes WP:GNG. TarnishedPathtalk 07:45, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: It's another example of Rebuilt diesel locomotives besides its completely new y'know. 220.235.238.29 (talk) 07:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC) 220.235.238.29 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
I'm not against separate articles for rebuilt locos, British Railways class 31 for an example, where we ignore a decade of service by the predecessor class 30, but they'd have to show independent notability. Otherwise a section in the parent article is a better solution, and a clearer read for our readers. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:30, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus‎. I've ignored the views of those who were clearly canvassed. What's left is a view split between those that think there are just enough sources to demonstrate that a full article can be written, and those that think the information in the sources is trivial and insufficient. I don't see that either argument has the upper hand, which leaves me to have to close the debate without a consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:45, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural for a new consensus on notability once a new article was allowed per Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2023_October_24#Adrija_Roy. I am neutral in this filing but feel a consensus is needed here given the background. Star Mississippi 14:03, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy pings to DRV participants @Robert McClenon @Thryduulf @Hut 8.5 @CaecilliusEstInHorto. Can't ping the IPs but will leave a note on the discussion on my Talk. Star Mississippi 14:05, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
oops @Caeciliusinhorto Star Mississippi 03:52, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adrija Roy is a well know actress in the Bengali shows and had played a notable role in the Hindi show, Durga aur Charu and is now playing the female lead in the show Imlie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smsslove (talkcontribs) 07:17, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Passes WP:NOTABILITY, But a lot and lot of improvement is needed in terms of the sources added and content (talk) 9 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women and West Bengal. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 17:15, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Admin note While I believed the IPs were acting in good faith in the DRV, there is some blatant canvassing and admitted meat puppetry going on here User talk:117.209.199.111. IP 117, it's disruptive, please stop. Star Mississippi 12:47, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Dear @Star Mississippi, I wasn't canvassing. I asked User:Smsslove to be more clear with her vote because I could see from her comment here that she was voting for Keep and did not know how to do it. I was only guiding her.
    And if you see my message to the other editors, I have never asked them to vote for Keep, I only asked them to participate in this nomination because I believe that Indian editors have better knowledge about Adrija Roy.
    When I saw the two votes here yesterday of RobertMcclenon and Darling, I could very clearly see that they have absolutely null knowledge on Adrija Roy which is why I wanted indian editors to participate.
    However I wholeheartedly apologize if my actions seemed like canvassing and are disruptive. My intentions were purely not canvassing or disruptive editing.
    I promise, I will not do this again. I'm sorry. If you feel that I should be penalized then please tell me what I should do.

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  • Keep I have to say quite a lot of me is unhappy with this vote, the whiff of UPE and a host of appalling, gushing Times of India society page pieces (likely paid) really do go against any desire to keep this thing, but the fact of the matter is that there IS other coverage out there (although Bollywood/Indian celebrity media is pretty rough stuff) and the subject does now have multiple significant roles. So a mild case of the shudders, but a keep vote nonetheless... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:34, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep plenty of coverage in Hindi sources as well as what's explained above, some is the typical celebrity gossit (celebrated her birthday in xyz country!). The TV roles help notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep- She is a popular person in Tollywood Industry. Nilpriyo (talk) 11:25, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete‎ per criterion G4. As with all of the other many recreations of this biography, this page is an exact duplicate with only superficial changes. The creator is also blocked as they're clearly abusing multiple accounts. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dimitrі Torner (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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One of my minor hobbies is trying to keep Dimitrі Torner off Wikipedia. I’ve previously done it here, here, here and here, so I’m glad for a chance at another round.

Anyway, at the risk of repeating myself, the President of the Moldovan Biathlon Federation just isn’t notable, per any biographical criterion, and no amount of routine coverage of his daily activities will change that. One does have to admire the desperate effort to keep creating articles about him, however. — Biruitorul Talk 06:58, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging various users with various levels of previous involvement: @Xx236:, @Dewritech:, @Johnj1995:, @FormalDude:, @Frank Anchor:, @4meter4:, @Sundostund:, @Thebiguglyalien:, @Oxi2514:, @Ivanvector:Biruitorul Talk 09:29, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. plicit 06:32, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:NOTCV very much applies here. ROTM business executive, tagged for promotion but not so promotional as would warrant G11, nevertheless fails WP:GNG, WP:NBUSINESSPERSON. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:04, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 00:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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No notability and reliable sources: only poor, paid sourcing, Forbes contributors, local not independent "news" websites or some routine announcements. BoraVoro (talk) 13:54, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 00:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

TB10Cs1H3 snoRNA (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet WP:NBIOL and WP:GNG. No source besides one paper. Hongsy (talk) 04:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. plicit 06:33, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

TB8Cs3H1 snoRNA (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not meet WP:NBIOL and WP:GNG. No source besides one paper. Hongsy (talk) 04:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, unless a secondary source can be found. Owen× 14:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to ARIA Charts. Liz Read! Talk! 06:00, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ARIA Country Album Chart (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not sure if this article meets WP:GNG; the article contains mostly primary sources with no third-party sources to discuss its significance. I suggest merging this to the article ARIA Charts. Ippantekina (talk) 03:12, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not just Aria write about this chart whichh is not surprising due to the popularity of the genre i have added a record to the page i want this page kept (talk) 17:04, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ♠PMC(talk) 02:23, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Not an elected politician, nothing there except participating in news debates, some are interviews and rest are of some post he has been chosen for (in the party). -- Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 05:15, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

While greeting elder brother, I want to tell you that Shahzad Poonawala is the official spokesperson of Bharatiya Janata Party. Information about him is available on the official website of the Bharatiya Janata Party as well as in many major news publications as source links, hence this page. should not be removed WaftCinematic (talk) 06:05, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ♠PMC(talk) 02:21, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Not Notable Producer or Businessman. -- Syed A. Hussain Quadri (talk) 05:10, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Survivor: Tocantins. Liz Read! Talk! 05:07, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Should be redirected to either (preferably) Survivor: Tocantins or (alternatively) list of Survivor (American TV series) contestants. To be known for how his gameplays led to his elimination in two subsequent seasons is potentially borderline violation of WP:BLP, IMO, especially without reliable third-party sources verifying his notability outside his Tocantins win. Even using the primary source CBS to verify his "notability" for making a "dumbest move" on Heroes vs. Villains is discouraged by WP:GNG.

In the article's current state, the whole biography consists of his Survivor gameplays. There might have been sources about his past romantic relationships, but such inclusion would go beyond limits of WP:BLPGOSSIP. George Ho (talk) 04:16, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ♠PMC(talk) 02:20, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Night Owl: Nationbuilder's Manual (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails GNG and WP:NBOOK. Most sources are puff pieces, the rest are passing mentions with little SIGCOV. Article created by COI user Amylamentillo, same name as the author of this book. SparklyNights (t) 02:24, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Warlord (DC Comics). Liz Read! Talk! 02:58, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Fictional setting related to Warlord (DC Comics). Plot summary and few notes about media appearances. Fails WP:GNG and my BEFORE failed to find anything of use. Best WP:ATD I can think of would be to redirect this to the comic series it is the setting of. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:19, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ♠PMC(talk) 02:20, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sofía Mendoza Valencia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Upon review, it seems that there isn't any RS for the age of Sofia, nor are there any reliable sources that mention her at all, even in context to refuting her suggested age. The only sources I can find are forums, the gerontology wiki, which notes her claim as unverified, and then a bunch of Facebook posts from her family. Although she may very well jave been 114 years old at the time of her death, there is no documentation to suggest such, and even doing sleuthing myself in the 1930 Mexican census of Michoacan fails to find any reference of Sofia in the Michoacan state. EytanMelech (talk) 02:15, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Togo–United States relations. Liz Read! Talk! 02:58, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Most of the article is about Togo–United States relations and not about the embassy. Fails WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 01:32, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 01:25, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Victorian mourning dolls (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article should seriously be considered for deletion.

It is poorly referenced and needs more and diverse original sources not just one. It also needs more actual sources around 19th century mourning customs and more geographic specificality as there are some cultures where actual documented customs have some relationship to these [essentially fictitious and modern] descriptions of these practices

The source does not appear to be a reliable, refereed encyclopedia rather some random internet collection of opinion. When the original source is checked there is no clear indication of who published the source or who wrote or organised the compilation of the published edited material and what their personal or institutional expertse is the link leads to a page called faqs.org which seems to plaigarise material from another publication

the second reference to wax dolls is a blog page that now is a dead link


it also should belong more to a fan-dom wiki or a goth or horror wiki rather than an encyclopedic, neutral POV.


Much of this is more recent cultural fantasy, urban myths or modern fake news than Victorian practice. We need input from historians rather than horror fans Bebe Jumeau (talk) 13:07, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That is hard for me to believe as they have been mentioned in just about every American history text used in my graduate seminars years ago. They were a big thing. I'll see if I have any of them around. Liz Read! Talk! 06:18, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The main issue is that these dolls were not "a thing", except in the minds of 21st century north americans. like post mortem photography there are a lot of modern adhesions to popular culture around funerals. certainly people used effigies in early modern times to commemorate especially notable deceased persons, which were fully dressed lifelike figures, many of the wax child dolls in glass cases were votive figures or catholic religious figures, which have sometimes been repurposed as dolls. The image on the page would appear to be an infant Jesus. Also toys, dolls, clothing and other relics of deceased children were often kept under glass domes or in glass cases, but not in the way that this article claims Bebe Jumeau (talk) 08:01, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There seems to be this 19 century book which has a section on death dolls starting on the page numbered 27 - if the link doesn’t work, try searching for ‘death’ I don’t think it has been mentioned above, if it has I apologise. JMWt (talk) 08:04, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That book is pioneering psychologist and [racist] eugenicist G Stanley Hall's sociological study from 1897 of how children play with dolls and how their attitude towards dolls and plahy indicates elements of their development and psychological status. he is talking here about how children often play at mock funerals with generic dolls that they own in their imaginative play and how children rpoject human mortality and sentience onto inanimate dolls. This is nothing about the family commissioning a doll to be displayed. at te funeral and later either put on the grave or kept at home for display. He does not propose that there is a specific type of funeral or mourning doll Bebe Jumeau (talk) 11:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I don’t see justification for the claims on the page, the majority appear to be unverified WP:V. I think there could be justification for a page about death dolls, but I agree with Bebe Jumeau that the particular focus of the page is hard to justify. JMWt (talk) 11:46, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Editors can discuss a possible article page move and creating other redirects on the article talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 01:03, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Does not meet WP:GNG and WP:PLACEOUTCOMES. No reliable source. Hongsy (talk) 02:50, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment. Described along with Palle Makuruppe as a village in A gazetteer of the Central Province of Ceylon. Combined population given as over 200 in 1871, 1881 and 1891.[24]. Rupples (talk) 20:17, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Satisfied this was recognised in the 19th century censuses as a populated place. Can be retained under WP:GEOLAND as notability is not temporary WP:NTEMP. Mapping indicates residences thereabouts per OpenStreetMap and aerial views but boundaries of the settlement appear not to be strictly defined. Acknowledge there's little to say, but this shouldn't mean wiping communities off Wikipedia (if I'm allowed to put it in such terms). It may be preferable to place such settlements in list form within an an article covering the lowest administrative area with a redirect, but that's a separate decision and would probably require a policy change. Rupples (talk) 03:28, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Added some detail. Article could be retitled Makuruppe and Palle Makuruppe redirected here, given the gazetteer source has a combined entry and Makuruppe is the only name shown on OpenStreetMap.Rupples (talk) 08:13, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Makuruppe - satisfies WP:NGEO. Dan arndt (talk) 05:45, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. So long as redirects are in place it benefits the encyclopedia by merging nearby settlements, when there seems not much chance of developing the individual articles beyond a short stub. So in this case having Makuruppe as the article title with redirects from both Uda Makuruppe and Palle Makuruppe seems the way to go. Rupples (talk) 09:50, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 05:26, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Does not meet WP:GNG and WP:PLACEOUTCOMES. No reliable source. Hongsy (talk) 02:50, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. Haven't found anything other than its listing in the GNS Ceylon list as a populated place.[25] — and two settlements with that name are listed. Unable to locate an online gazetteer for Northern Province. The co-ordinates I've added from the gazetteer point to the similarly named Veemankallu — the name of a lake but also a settlement and school. Because of uncertainty over the name I'm going to recommend delete. Rupples (talk) 13:26, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect‎ to Naranpanawa. Liz Read! Talk! 07:13, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Does not meet WP:GNG and WP:PLACEOUTCOMES. No reliable source. Hongsy (talk) 02:49, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Redirect to Naranpanawa. Naranpanawa Kandegammedda is in the 1901 census (population 109) and 1911 census (146).[26] It was one of six villages bracketed together with Naranpanawa in their names. Also listed under Naranpawa in A gazetteer of the Central Province of Ceylon [27]. Unable to locate Naranpanawa Kandegammedda on current maps. The GNS lists it as a separate place, but gives same co-ordinates as Naranpawa. Name may no longer be in use? Rupples (talk) 17:37, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • REDIRECT, concur with the points raised by Rupples. Dan arndt (talk) 06:32, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. plicit 03:15, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Does not meet WP:GNG and WP:PLACEOUTCOMES. No reliable source. Hongsy (talk) 02:46, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 00:30, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Venetian Village, Naples, Florida (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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not enough info to have a complete article; delete or redirect suggested Matthew is here zero (talk) 00:26, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

💬Comment- If the article is kept it should be moved to The Village Shops on Venetian Bay due to that being the official name. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 14:25, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment the offical name of the place is irrelevant per Wikipedia:COMMONNAME. However, since there seems to be no sources... I doubt that'll matter anyways.
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The Village Shops on Venetian Bay is also the Common Name(More results appear when searching it) 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 15:09, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That is beyond the scope of this AfD. – The Grid (talk) 16:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify‎. Liz Read! Talk! 07:14, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Infamous PR (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No way near meeting WP:CORP SmartSE (talk) 00:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for raising this. I had thought there were enough sources to justify a stub being created, but I can appreciate there probably aren't. The article was flagged after I first published it because the tone wasn't correct- but the editor who flagged it then didn't have an issue with the sources, so I assumed they were good enough. Can we move it into draft space in case there are ever better sources in the future or does it need deleting? Editing84 (talk) 09:38, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Editing84, do not move an article that is being discussed at an AFD, especially since you have commented here. There is no reason to close this AFD early and never by an editor that one could consider to be INVOLVED. Your page move has been reverted by another editor. Liz Read! Talk! 01:50, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I realised that after it was reverted- apologies, I just read the comment by Siroxo as a directive without realising the discussion was ongoing. Obviously happy to wait it out for as long as needed. Thanks for the clarification. Editing84 (talk) 08:27, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure draftify is the best option here. It was already draftified once and creator moved it to back to mainspace five days later. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:08, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry- that was also due to my misunderstanding of the draftify/discussion process. I didn't hear back again from the editor who draftified it after they explained the amendments that needed to be made. No official discussion with other editors seemed to be taking place and they didn't respond either way after I said I had made the amendments and moved it back into mainspace. I assumed they would have said at that point if it needed to stay as a draft. I just wanted to clarify what happened and why. I would have happily left it in drafts for it to be added to over time had I realised- sorry again. Editing84 (talk) 10:39, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Just to clarify, this would be the second time sending back to draft. As company was founded in 2008 and isn't notable (imho) I am unsure of what else could be accomplished in draft space. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:28, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was hoping it would go through the AfC process again before the draft is accepted, was my understanding of the process. Oaktree b (talk) 20:45, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep‎. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 02:18, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vampirates: Blood Captain (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Doesn't meet WP:NBOOK, and found no reviews by independent, reliable sources online. Previously WP:BLAR twice, but was reverted. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 01:01, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason above:

Vampirates: Tide of Terror (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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The result was merge‎ to Belize–United States relations. Liz Read! Talk! 00:27, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Some of the content (from sources 2-3) is about Belize–United States relations and not this embassy. Fails WP:ORG/. LibStar (talk) 00:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Sierra Leone–United States relations. Liz Read! Talk! 00:27, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Most of the content (from sources 2-4) is about Sierra Leone–United States relations and not this embassy. Fails WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 00:49, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but merge some content to Sierra Leone-United States relations Dazzling4 (talk) 01:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How does it meet a notability guideline for your keep !vote? LibStar (talk) 01:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 00:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extra Ordinary Man (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Was going to move this to DRAFT, because it fails WP:NFF, but there is already a DRAFT article. DonaldD23 talk to me 00:37, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of largest exoplanets. Content may be merged at editorial discretion. In my reading of the discussion, it seems most participants would be happy with this result, even if it wasn't proposed explicitly. Arbitrarily0 (talk) 19:05, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of most massive exoplanets (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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It is difucult to distinguish a massive planet and a brown dwarf. However, it is estimated that the most massive exoplanets have a mass of around 13 Jupiter masses (but this is highly uncertain anyway). Despite this, the article has tens of objects with a mass higher than that. Many objects (such as GQ Lupi b/C) are often considered to be BDs but sometimes are considered to be planets as well but yet they are still here.Diamantinasaurus (talk) 17:26, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:43, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Droners (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Appears to fail WP:NTV and WP:GNG. Tagged for notability since 2022.

PROD removed with comment "remove proposed deletion. can be listed on AFD, but the show seems notable enough to me to warrant inclusion, and in fact five other languages have an article for it."

However, none of the other 5 language articles appears to have any citations that can be used to establish notability. DonaldD23 talk to me 10:49, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak Keep - I think we have to draw a difference between actual PR copy and news reports that are simply positive. There's this belief in some quarters that if the coverage doesn't contain negativity then it automatically is flap-copy, but I don't see it here. The Variety coverage appears sufficient by itself for a basic WP:GNG pass if it weren't for the fact that both pieces are from the same outlet, however I think we can extend the benefit of the doubt in this case as coverage seems likely to exist in French. FOARP (talk) 15:40, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Notable per Oaktree b's refs. FOARP makes a good point between PR copy and positive coverage. Relying on two refs from the same outlet is not disqualifying according to our guidelines.
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Le Figaro has one-paragraph descriptions of each episode. Collectively, I'd consider them significant coverage.
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I saw the Figaro ones, they appeared to be Tv Guide-type listings. But they do have a synopsis for each episode in a RS, I guess it's ok. Oaktree b (talk) 16:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus‎. I don't think another final relist will bring us any closer to a consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 00:19, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cold Fork, California (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Another article on a thoroughly non-notable place in California. PROD was declined on the basis of the article having 3 references, but one is just GNIS (which doesn't establish notability), and the others are just the origin of the name and a confirmation that there was once a rural post office by this name (again, does not establish notability). As far as I can tell this is just a creek, not an "unincorporated community". WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 18:50, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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●Keep- per WP:GEOLAND, WP:HEY, & WP:NOTTEMPORARY. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 15:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect‎ to Shikshan Prasarak Mandali. Liz Read! Talk! 00:16, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Haribhai Deokaran High School (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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1 hit in gnews and mainly directory listings in gbooks. No coverage to meet WP:NSCHOOL. LibStar (talk) 00:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

●Delete or Redirect- I have found 1 hit in Google News, & it has nothing to do with the school. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 15:51, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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