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AFL Tables[edit]

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Fails GNG and WP:WEBCRIT. A search for "AFL Tables" will show up thousands of webpages which reference statistics from this online database, but no references which actually give significant coverage about the database as a subject, which is the benchmark which must be met under WEBCRIT. Google searching "paul jeffs afl tables" is a better search term to look for SIGCOV about the database (since any genuine SIGCOV would include Jeffs' name as the site's creator), and the best that shows up a few appreciative one-liner posts in public forums and on other stats databases - nothing which meets GNG's requirements of significance and independence. I don't see any valid alternative to deletion; there's no merge or redirect target that makes sense, and issue of lack of references can't reasonably be solved by draftifying. Aspirex (talk) 00:47, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sports broadcasting contracts in New Zealand[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are basically news announcement and does not assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Iran at the 2026 Asian Games[edit]

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Delete per WP:TOOSOON. This article was created by the same user who created Singapore at the 2026 Asian Games and Vietnam at the 2026 Asian Games. As was said by CycloneYoris, it is still too early for this article and the accompanying articles to exist. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 01:09, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom and WP:TOOSOON. Author has been warned numerous times, but they're clearly ignoring and not heeding any of these warnings. CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:52, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this and all other 2026 Asian Games articles created by author per nom and TOOSOON. Rusty4321 ^{talk contribs} 02:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and oppose draftspace, as way WP:TOOSOON and will still be too soon for a year or more. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Clearly way WP:TOOSOON for the article to exist. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 11:12, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per comments on the Singapore one. Geschichte (talk) 16:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Busch Field[edit]

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No refs on the page for many years. Not seeing substantial coverage of the topic in independent reliable sources needed for consideration against the inclusion criteria. JMWt (talk) 14:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Agreeing for the reasons listed above, and I would raise the idea of redirecting to Busch Stadium Kingsmasher678 (talk) 14:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Convert to disambiguation page with an entry for William & Mary Tribe#Field hockey and an entry for the more notable Busch Stadium. Maintain article history at the DAB page. I would have voted "redirect" if not for the complication of the other stadium. Fails GNG due to no SIGCOV, but a reasonable search term. Frank Anchor 20:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Support disambig per Frank Anchor. Giant Snowman 18:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of figure skaters[edit]

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Grossly out-of-date and incomplete. Even if the list WERE complete AND up-to-date, there is no lead section, no cited sources, AND no explanation why this list is encyclopedically notable. In the current form, it will never meet the requirements of a quality list article on Wikipedia. I also don't really get the purpose of this article. For searching figure skaters, we have the category "figure skaters", which has the big advantage that newly-created biographies are automatically added there. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, a valid navigational list. A clearly defined list of bluelinks selected by an obvious important characteristic of the subjects. Fram (talk) 15:16, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Valid list that is in need of an update. However, AFD is WP:NOTCLEANUP. Frank Anchor 15:21, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, sure it needs work to update, but other sports have similar lists; i.e., Lists of tennis players, List of current AFC team rosters. Some are sourced, some aren't (i.e., List of female American football players). Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 15:53, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: This nomination is nonsense. It tries to justify deletion by pointing out ways that the article could be improved, which assumes that the article should be kept in the first place. HyperAccelerated (talk) 01:17, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Valid navigational list created on Jul 4th, 2008. It would be more useful if all the names were in columns, with columns available to show more information about them. Dream Focus 02:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just finished adding sortable columns. Dream Focus 02:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's comment Someone can close this AFD as it has received no other delete votes and the article can be salvaged. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:35, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep List is valid and may require updating and addition of other entries. --Tumbuka Arch (talk) 11:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. We don't need a complete list of every figure skater ever in one article. ON the topic of other articles, WP:OSE applies, but also Lists of tennis players is links to lots of different sub-articles with specific criteria, List of current AFC team rosters and List of female American football players has sufficiently few people that an encyclopedic article with text could be created. Listing thousands of figure skaters in one article would make a ridiculously long article, which isn't needed. Splitting by winning significant events e.g. world/continental championships would be sensible, but this article is and always will be a directory violation. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Singapore at the 2026 Asian Games[edit]

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Delete per WP:TOOSOON. It's still too early for this article to exist. Created by the same user who created Vietnam at the 2026 Asian Games which I also nominated for deletion. CycloneYoris ^talk! 00:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify per WP:TOOSOON. Frank Anchor 00:26, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Return to Draft Traumnovelle (talk) 02:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify per Frank. S5A-0043^Talk 08:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete way WP:TOOSOON. In 6 months time, it will still be too soon, and so I object to draftifying this as draftspace is not an indefinite holding area. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree strongly. It is very reasonable to have some level of information about a country's participation in international competition two years ahead of time. Therefore, drafspace would be the exact opposite of an indefinite holding area If this proves not to be the case, the draft can easily be deleted in October 2024. Frank Anchor 15:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For most events like this, the qualifying tournaments will be at most a year before the event i.e. in 2025. Unless there is evidence that there are 2026 Asian Games qualifiers this year, and so we'll know some qualified Singaporean competitors in 6 months time, then draftspace is not needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Utterly non-encyclopedic. The current entry contains nothing of value. The desire to create articles way ahead of time needs to be stamped out. It's an unhealthy "I was here first" culture which does not add value to Wikipedia. Geschichte (talk) 08:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vietnam at the 2026 Asian Games[edit]

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Per WP:TOOSOON. It's still too early for this article (and other similar ones) to exist. CycloneYoris ^talk! 19:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify per WP:TOOSOON. Frank Anchor 00:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete way WP:TOOSOON. In 6 months time, it will still be too soon, and so I object to draftifying this as draftspace is not an indefinite holding area. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree strongly. It is very reasonable to have some level of information about a country's participation in international competition two years ahead of time. Therefore, drafspace would be the exact opposite of an indefinite holding area If this proves not to be the case, the draft can easily be deleted in October 2024. Frank Anchor 15:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For most events like this, the qualifying tournaments will be at most a year before the event i.e. in 2025. Unless there is evidence that there are 2026 Asian Games qualifiers this year, and so we'll know some qualified Vietnamese competitors in 6 months time, then draftspace is not needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:31, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Utterly non-encyclopedic. The current entry contains nothing of value. The desire to create articles way ahead of time needs to be stamped out. It's an unhealthy "I was here first" culture which does not add value to Wikipedia. Geschichte (talk) 16:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History of rugby union matches between Leicester and Leinster[edit]

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There is no real rivalry between these two sides, with no WP:GNG coverage of the rivalry, just a collection of stats with violates WP:NOTSTATS and WP:NLIST. Similar discussions such as this and this have shown a clear consensus on these sorts of articles. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:49, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Lauri Bonacorsi[edit]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment But doesn't fail BASIC because the sourcing seems to be there (Inquirer, Golden Skate, etc.). As I mentioned to you here, NSKATE is less important than GNG/BASIC. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 21:11, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yasmin Siraj[edit]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment But doesn't fail BASIC because the sourcing seems to be there (WBUR, Wicked Local, etc.). As I mentioned to you here, NSKATE is less important than GNG/BASIC. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 21:13, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Garrett MacKeen[edit]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mackenzie Bent[edit]

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Fails WP:NSKATE; PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Travis Mager[edit]

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Absolutely fails WP:NSKATE; an earlier PROD had been removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Genesis Health Clubs - Orlando Sportsplex[edit]

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Only mention in independent sources I can find are local papers discussing the facility's 2022 sale. Seems to fail WP:NORG. funplussmart (talk) 23:56, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There appears to have been regular mentions of "RDV Sportsplex" in local news but I can't find anything beyond the usual namechecks. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Toadette^Edit! 06:49, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rotarun Ski Area[edit]

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Previously deleted and salted as Rotarun. Unreferenced since 2011. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and salt again for lack of notability, dearth of reliable sources. Kill this ad. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 19:07, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails GNG due to lack of SIGCOV. Based on the lack of recent editing and the fact that the article has been tagged for notability since 2011, I strongly oppose salting. There is little “threat” of recreation for the sake of recreation. Frank Anchor 22:54, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to keep per the sources added by Cunard which establish notability. I maintain my opposition to salting if there is consensus to delete. Frank Anchor 15:58, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Rotarun, which reliable sources have described as a "ski hill" and a "a little mountain", falls under Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features)#Scope, which says:
For the purpose of this guideline, a geographical feature is any reasonably permanent or historic feature of the Earth, whether natural or artificial.
The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features)#Natural features, which says:
Named natural features are often notable, provided information beyond statistics and coordinates is known to exist. This includes mountains, lakes, streams, islands, etc. The number of known sources should be considered to ensure there is enough verifiable content for an encyclopedic article. If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the feature can instead be included in a more general article on local geography. For example, a river island with no information available except name and location should probably be described in an article on the river.
Sources
1. Currie, Lori (2023-01-15). "History of Rotarun". Sun Valley Magazine. Archived from the original on 2024-04-20. Retrieved 2024-04-20.
  The article notes: "With its eight named runs and a vertical drop of 441 feet, Rotarun has been responsible for nurturing young talents like Olympic champions Picabo Street and Cristin Cooper and Paralympic medalist Muffy Davis. This humble little mountain has been a testament to community involvement since it sprang into existence in the winter of 1940-41, when three locals—Jim Hurst, Bob Jackson and Bill Mallory—ventured out of Croy Canyon, climbed Rotarun and declared that it would make a nice little ski hill."
2. Bossick, Karen (2021-01-30). "A 'Magic' Hill Named Rotarun". Eye on Sun Valley. Archived from the original on 2024-04-20. Retrieved 2024-04-20.
  The article notes: "Kathleen Eder knows every dip and rise in the treeless white hill that constitutes Rotarun Ski Area. She spent many hours here watching her daughter Lauren and son Jason take the first turns that launched their ski racing careers. ... Snowmaking, installed this year, has transformed the face of the mountain into a white expanse with none of the wheat-colored bunchgrasses that dot the slopes in lean snow years. Instead, the hill resembled a little factory with a steady stream of pint-sized skiers catching a ride on the Poma lift that ferried them 475 feet up the hill. ... Rotarun sprang into existence as an official ski hill when Bill Mallory, Bob Jackson and Jim Hurst arranged for a tractor-and-pulley rope tow to pull skiers up the 5,895-foot hill. And Jimmy Savaria gave ski lessons for $1 per week."
3. Bartley, Natalie (2011-02-07). "Bartley: Small ski hills are the roots of the sport - They're a reminder of when ski hills were run by clubs instead of corporations". Idaho Statesman. Archived from the original on 2024-04-20. Retrieved 2024-04-20.
  The article notes: "This is another long-standing small ski hill, which got its name when the local Rotary Club opened the hill in 1947. ... For example, on a busy Friday night in January, 60 people were on the hill. Race days attract 150 racers. Annual winter events include the Snow Box Derby, where people decorate sleds made of paper, tape and cardboard then glide down a course on the sleds, and the ski and snowboard Arkoosh Cup Race. The old Sun Valley heli-ski building was donated and moved and will be remodeled for the Rotarun's ski lodge, snack bar and warming hut."
4. Seder, Hayden (2020-02-12). "Night skiing in Sun Valley? You betcha!". The Idaho Press. Archived from the original on 2024-04-20. Retrieved 2024-04-20.
  The article notes: "But a small mountain located south of Ketchum in Hailey provides something that Baldy doesn’t — night skiing. Located three miles east of downtown Hailey is Rotarun, known as “the little mountain with a big heart.” This fun little ski hill has been around for 60 years, serving the local community and providing a close-by, cheaper alternative to Sun Valley’s main ski hill. Rotarun has two lifts that run a little over 400 vertical feet to the top; one is a Poma lift and the other a handle tow lift."
5. Russell, Betsy Z. (2024-03-30). "Snowmaking key to future of Idaho skiing". The Idaho Press. ProQuest 3040311940. Archived from the original on 2024-04-20. Retrieved 2024-04-20.
  The article notes: "Idaho's smallest ski resort - Rotarun in Hailey - more than tripled its annual skier visits from around 3,000 to nearly 12,000 after it installed snowmaking. ... Little Rotarun, which got its name after the local Rotary Club replaced an existing rope tow in 1957, has a platter lift that was installed in 2001 and 441 feet of vertical. It struggled to stay open over the years and serve its community until the Rotarun Ski Club asked the Sun Valley Ski Education Foundation to step in and help operate the mountain starting in 2017. Limburg, a commercial real estate broker who's on the SVSEF board, became president, and the two nonprofits partnered, tapping into SVSEF's much bigger resources and donor base."
6. Evans, Tony (2016-11-25). "The history and future of the people's ski hill: Rotarun community is devoted to south-valley winter recreation". Idaho Mountain Express. Archived from the original on 2024-04-20. Retrieved 2024-04-20.
  The article notes: "During the winter of 1940-41, Jim Hurst, Bob Jackson and Bill Mallory decided that it was a nice day to go skiing, so they ventured out Croy Canyon, climbed Rotarun and declared that it would be a nice little ski hill. Those ski pioneers used a donated tractor from Wayne Clark and a pulley system to operate a rope tow in the early days. Jay Deering and Charles and Pilar Harris helped with the rope tow and Jimmy Savaria gave ski lessons for $1 per week. Ski racer Ann Janet Winn, who competed in the 1948 Winter Olympics, began teaching local children skiing on a small hill at the Hailey Elementary School and later took her students to Rotarun."
7. There is extensive coverage of Rotarun in this Newspapers.com search.
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Rotarun to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 10:33, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, while I support keeping this article, the nomination wasn't concerned with notability as much as the article being previously created as Rotarun. Samoht27 (talk) 16:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would not phrase it that way - the point of these AfDs (of which this is one of dozens, most of which have ended in deletions) is to make sure that recreations of salted articles don't fly under the radar. Once it's at AfD, especially for entries like this one where the previous title was only speedy deleted not subject to a deletion discussion, it should be evaluated by normal AfD standards, which do include concerns of notability. And I'm not withdrawing this because I feel like I'm only the messenger here, not the independent agent pushing for deletion, so it would be wrong for me to do so. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, as per Cunard. Samoht27 (talk) 15:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Basque trinquete[edit]

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No refs on the page for many years. There are a number of unref claims on the page which could be removed per WP:V but I'm also unclear whether this is a duplicate page with content from another or something else altogether. There are WP pages in other languages but they don't have many refs and do not clear up the confusion. It feels like it could perhaps be merged with Basque pelota but I'm confused so this might not be appropriate for reasons I do not fully understand JMWt (talk) 06:08, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - If this page is deleted, something will also have to be done with the Trinquete disambiguation page, which has only this entry and Valencian trinquet. Valencian trinquet also does not cite any sources, so could potentially fail notability as well. Bandit Heeler (talk) 08:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ekaterina Zaikina[edit]

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Absolutely fails WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The subject definitely fails WP:NSKATE and I am struggling to find any coverage at all. For reference, the Cyrillic script transliteration of her name seems to be Екатерина Заикина. JTtheOG (talk) 00:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Ineligible for soft deletion.
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List of career achievements by Dwight Howard[edit]

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This is another WP:NOTSTATS violation featuring indiscriminate trivia. Let'srun (talk) 01:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. This is a harmless list of achievements rather than an indiscriminate collection of stats. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:HARMLESS is generally not an accepted reason to keep.—Bagumba (talk) 07:01, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment For reference, there's Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Carmelo Anthony , Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Chris Paul and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Dwyane Wade (2nd nomination).—Bagumba (talk) 06:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I think parts of this article do qualify as an "indiscriminate collection of information". Take the "NBA highs since 1983-84" section. Why is that season chosen as the cutoff? Who is the audience for statistics with that level of granularity? Who is going to take the time to confirm that all of that content is still up to date? The more important achievements should already be listed in the Dwight Howard article. Zagalejo (talk) 22:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Similar to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Carmelo Anthony, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Chris Paul and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Dwyane Wade (2nd nomination). WP:CONTENTFORK packed with WP:UNDUE, indiscriminate mentions of being one of X players to achieve a trivial statistical cross section, or arbitrary cutoffs like "since 1983–84". Major, defining achievements should be captured in the main bio. Also fails WP:NOTSTATS: Statistics that lack context or explanation can reduce readability and may be confusing The page is a pure stats dump.—Bagumba (talk) 15:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There's no good reason for this entire category of articles to exist. A person's notable accomplishments should be found in the article about that person. A person's non-notable accomplishments should be found nowhere. There will always be disputes whether a certain accomplishment is notable or not, and such disputes are valid and necessary. This type of article is essentially claiming that there's a whole new category "Sort-Of-Notable-Ish Accomplishments". There is no such category. If it turns out that articles about brilliant outliers with huge lists of notable accomplishments become too long to read, deal with those individually. TooManyFingers (talk) 23:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Estádio Arena do Município Verde[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG, notability is not inherited per WP:NARENA and WP:NBUILDING. Nagol0929 (talk) 12:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Paragominas Futebol Clube. Svartner (talk) 16:38, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep It does pass GNG, as you'd expect from a 10.000 seat stadium, but the article needs to be improved. See Portuguese page and [1] [2] [3] SportingFlyer T·C 20:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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World Runners Association[edit]

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Does not meet GNG/NCORP. The only source that is about WRA and in-depth is the BBC. Some of the sources make no mention of WRA and the others are brief mentions or based on what the organization/those affiliated say. S0091 (talk) 16:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per the previously cited lack of evidence demonstrating notability. Furthermore, the organisation appears to be using Wikipedia for advocacy as evidenced by the fact that the article was commissioned by them (see article talk page), clarifying edits have been reversed by a user with a registered COI based only on the claim that the organisation is “legitimate and registered”, and a link to the article is displayed prominently on their website’s home page. The line “Wikipedia is not… to be an adjunct web presence for an organization” on Wikipedia:Advocacy appears to be particularly relevant here. Jaa.eem (talk) 18:16, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep the article, and Disicipline the editors who are COI-editing or removing tags inappropriately. The relevant policy here is not only WP:NCORP but also WP:NSPORT as a sports league/organization. Looking at this as neutrally as possible, the bar for coverage is met:

Jack Palfrey. "Is this the world's most exclusive travel club?". BBC News. Retrieved 2024-04-11.
"Danish runner contesting Russ Cook's claim says he wants to get 'facts correct': Russ Cook's claim has been contested by the World Runners Association". The Independent. 2024-04-08. Retrieved 2024-04-11.
"'Hardest Geezer' Russ Cook's Africa run contested by man who did it 14 years ago: Russ Cook, from Worthing, West Sussex, finished his gruelling 352-day run from South Africa to Tunisia on Sunday. But claims he is the first to run the length of Africa have been contested by the World Runners Association". Sky News. Retrieved 2024-04-11.

The fact that the organization seems to be using Wikipedia for promotion is unfortunate, but also must not be a reason for its deletion; as with all articles we need to look at the sources neutrally. --Habst (talk) 20:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Habst the Independent and Sky News (along with others published around April 8th) are based almost entirely what those affiliated with organization say so primary and is also churnalism. S0091 (talk) 20:40, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@S0091, The Independent and Sky News aren't churnalism outlets, they're both marked as "generally reliable" by CiteHighlighter and WP:RSP. They're also not the only sources, as you pointed out, there are many others from around that time period.

With great respect, I think this is a misapplication of WP:Primary – of course, news outlets will respond to and report quotes and statements from organization officials with analysis. That is journalism and secondary sourcing, not primary sourcing. A primary source would be, for example, citing the World Runners Association Charter document (if one exists) or similar.

Thank you, --Habst (talk) 20:48, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great respect back atcha @Habst :) but reliability has nothing do with churnalism. Other than the BBC article, all they say about WRA other than they dispute Cook's claim is that the WRA is "a group made up of seven athletes who have successfully circumnavigated the world on foot" or similar. That's not in-depth coverage. S0091 (talk) 21:03, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@S0091, thanks, I hear your concern so I tried to look for mentions before the April 8th event. I found many, see this web search:

"How many pairs of shoes does it take to run around the world?". Christian Science Monitor. ISSN 0882-7729. Retrieved 2024-04-12.
"À Rouen, la marathonienne de l'extrême boucle son Tour du monde". leparisien.fr (in French). 2022-09-19. Retrieved 2024-04-12.

I don't think that these are all churnalism, and as that's a subjective term it's difficult to prove one way or the other. Furthermore, I don't think that an article needs to specifically say "WRA is..." by name for portions of the article to contribute to notability; members or components of the group may be discussed as well. Thanks, --Habst (talk) 12:50, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As with the Independent and Sky News articles the WRA in these examples is only really being mentioned in passing due to an association with a notable event which are the actual focus of the articles.

These all seem like examples of WP:INHERITORG

An organization is not notable merely because a notable person or event was associated with it

Even the BBC article is in fact largely covering the pursuits of Olsen and the World Running Club - an entity which is not actually equivalent to WRA and was created almost a year before the WRA was founded. The WRA is only discussed over two sentences in the BBC article. That article is evidence for the notability of the WRC, not the WRA:

A corporation is not notable merely because it owns notable subsidiaries

Perhaps as a compromise the WRA (or maybe more justifiably the World Running Club) could be merged with Olsen’s Wikipedia page until further evidence can be found for notability? Jaa.eem (talk) 15:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jaa.eem, a common theme in this discussion is that WRA is mentioned in a wide variety of sources, but there are concerns about depth. Could we not apply the combining principle, If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability? This is stated in WP:BASIC for people but surely the principle applies just as well in this situation. For an organization that is so widely covered in so many WP:RSP reliable sources, the more I research this topic the more I think we would be making a mistake to delete that may be biased by the behavior of COI editors. Thank you, --Habst (talk) 17:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NORG explicitly states that an organisation must have multiple sources providing significant coverage. In fact, it also explicitly states that “A collection of multiple trivial sources does not become significant.”

WP:BASIC plainly cannot be applied as suggested. Jaa.eem (talk) 18:32, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eh...as the nom, I am not stuck on using the NCORP sourcing criteria given the crossover of org/sports/club but certainly WP:BASIC does not apply. I think GNG makes enough sense which requires WP:SIGCOV by multiple sources. Either way, I think the three of us need to step back so others can opine. S0091 (talk) 18:45, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t think it should be controversial to utilise WP:NORG.

Scanning a bit deeper into the guidelines there is also a section specifics for NGOs which describes the WRA by their own admission: Wikipedia:NGO

This also states that multiple significant sources are required. Jaa.eem (talk) 19:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which specific aspect of Wikipedia:Notability (sports) is relevant here? It’s very possible that I’ve missed it but those guidelines do not appear to provide any specific guidance for organisations claiming to be a governing body. The “basic criteria” appears to be in relation to sports people rather than organisations.

Furthermore, the Independent and Sky News articles you have linked provide only trivial coverage of the WRA itself - they are instead focussed on Russ Cook and comments made by individuals who are members of the WRA regarding Russ Cook. Jaa.eem (talk) 22:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jaa.eem, given that the lede of NSPORT specifically mentions sports organizations, I think it is worth considering the policy as a whole. Because there isn't any specific section for a governing body, I would try to apply the "spirit" of WP:SPORTBASIC, even though it is about people, in lieu of more specific criteria. SPORTBASIC prong 5 says that if there is at least one non-database source, which we can agree that the BBC article is, then "there are likely sufficient sources to merit a stand-alone article". I'm open to other ideas, but in my review of the material I am having a hard time being comfortable with a delete decision here in light of the breadth of coverage. Thanks, --Habst (talk) 00:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Habst WP:SPORTBASIC is specific to people. The section of NSPORT that covers organizations relevant to clubs, WP:NTEAM, states: This guideline does not provide any general criteria for the presumed notability of sports teams and clubs. Some sports have specific criteria. Otherwise, teams and clubs are expected to demonstrate notability by the general notability guideline.

Since notability is not inherited, the notability of an athlete does not imply the notability of a team or club, or vice versa.

The BBC article describes WRA as a club, though they frame it as a travel club, so I think GNG is the relevant guideline. S0091 (talk) 14:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this @Habst

My read of WP:SPORTBASIC is that it is intended to reduce the burden of evidence of notability for individual people which I think is justifiable - I would suggest that a sportsperson on the borderline of genuine notability (putting aside Wikipedia’s guidelines for a moment) is less likely to have comprehensive secondary sourcing available and thus reducing the burden of evidence makes sense. Conversely I would suggest that a genuinely notable “international governing body” would realistically have substantial coverage and thus reducing the burden of evidence purely by virtue of being related to sport cannot be justified.

Furthermore, as @S0091 says WP:NSPORT does provide guidance for clubs which I think is a much closer analogue to this example than an individual sports person. Jaa.eem (talk) 15:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jaa.eem and @S0091, thanks for your thoughtful responses. The reason why I went to WP:NSPORT is because it's the most specific guideline I could find that includes the subject. If I were to describe WRA, I would say it's a "sports organization" and that phrase appears exactly in the lede of NSPORT but not any other guideline.

The WP:NTEAM section, on the other hand, doesn't seem to apply because I would struggle to call the WRA a team (it doesn't compete against other "teams", for example) nor is it a "club" in the European sense of the word intended there, a sports club.

I agree that "international governing body" is also a good descriptor, and I think that we should have high standards for notability when there's already a competing governing body so as not to place WP:UNDUE weight on one over the other. But in this case for the specific niche of the organization (running across continents), there doesn't seem to be any competing body setting standards, so I don't think we would be falling in to that trap. What do you think? --Habst (talk) 17:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that given the lack of specificity in WP:NSPORT it would be better to fall back to WP:NORG.

There is a substantial difference in the scope of a organisation which competes within a sport vs an “international governing body” of a sport. If a sports team should meet GNG surely a governing body shouldn’t be subject to more lax guidelines?

Also, with regards to the issue of undue weight I would suggest that a high standards of notability should be applied regardless. The status of “international governing body” effectively confers a level of ownership over a sport thus I think there should be a high level of confidence that such a status is widely agreed upon. Jaa.eem (talk) 18:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Subject is discussed at length in numerous notable sources.--2601:345:0:52A0:E165:4C72:14FB:3B9A (talk) 23:58, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which sources discuss the subject at length beyond the previously cited BBC article? Jaa.eem (talk) 00:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even the BBC article doesn't discuss the WRA at length. It mentions it once in the context of the World Runners Club, a related but different organisation. Cortador (talk) 21:20, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There is insufficient sourcing, no in-depth coverage, and the article created as an ad. Cortador (talk) 21:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Sources don't establish notability Dexxtrall (talk) 11:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Proposed WP:ATD: Redirect and merge some details into List of pedestrian circumnavigators as a governing authority for the running circumnavigations. --Habst (talk) 16:50, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with a redirect, though I think "governing authority" might be a stretch but that's a content issue. Pinging others: @Jaa.eem, @Cortador, @Dexxtrall, what you think about redirecting? S0091 (talk) 18:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree that the World Runners Association aren't a governing authority, and would be reluctant about a merge if it winds up suggesting that they are. Redirect is fine though, and not entirely opposed to some content being merged if done appropriately ~~~ Dexxtrall (talk) 19:49, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not opposed to a redirect, though I agree about the content concerns. Jaa.eem (talk) 15:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep: Even with the paltry sources, there are just too many of them to ignore. [4] seems to be a RS, it talks about the one individual but always mentioning the WRA. There are about a dozen stories that discuss him and the WRA is mentioned, we should have enough for at least BASIC here. Oaktree b (talk) 19:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also a brief paragraph in this German book [5], my German is rusty but a Google translate upload of the image talks about the club existing since 2014. I think we have just enough to build an article. Oaktree b (talk) 19:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That’s a single mention in a self-published book.

There doesn’t appear to be a single source providing significant coverage of the subject - they’re all largely passing mentions in articles about other notable events/people.

I think @Habst’s suggestion of a redirect is justified given the number of mentions but there’s not enough information from secondary sources to justify a full article. Jaa.eem (talk) 22:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Oaktree b BASIC only applies to people, not entities or other topics. The source you linked to is not about WRA and is only a couple mentions. S0091 (talk) 19:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Barely at GNG then with minimal coverage, but enough of it. Oaktree b (talk) 19:51, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As for the German source, what else does is say about WRA? I only see a sentence. S0091 (talk) 19:56, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to List of pedestrian circumnavigators: All the sources are about the "World Runners Association is contesting..." or "claiming..." something about Russ Cook. A BBC article writes about how the World Runners Club came to be, mentioning the World Runners Association in one paragraph. Is there anything specifically about the World Runners Association? I don't think so. A lack of significant coverage. Cooper (talk) 23:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in Germany[edit]

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Delete - WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE. No evidence that these lists are encyclopedic, they've never been discussed as a group in RS. BrigadierG (talk) 00:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sports broadcasting contracts in France[edit]

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Delete Unnecessary list. Shankargb (talk) 17:44, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Sports broadcasting contracts in Vietnam[edit]

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Sports broadcasting contracts in Thailand[edit]

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Comment: No opinion on the page in its current format, which does seem to be WP:LISTCRUFT, but it's a notable topic with potential for a valid article, especially given the long-standing legal and political issues surrounding broadcasting rights for major sporting events (mostly football) since 2012, which have been widely covered.[6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15] If the page does get deleted it should be without prejudice to the creation of a proper article. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sports broadcasting contracts in Brazil[edit]

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Delete – Per WP:NLIST. Sports contracts are dynamic with broadcasters, even more so with the entry of streaming. This list doesn't seem relevant. Svartner (talk) 05:02, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sports broadcasting contracts in Canada[edit]

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Keep per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sports broadcasting contracts in the United States. 162 etc. (talk) 21:52, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment, I found [16], [17], and [18], which may help determine notabilty. Esolo5002 (talk) 23:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sports broadcasting contracts in Portugal[edit]

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Delete as simply a directory. Mccapra (talk) 18:13, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in South Korea[edit]

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Sports broadcasting contracts in the Netherlands[edit]

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Dominica at the 2002 Commonwealth Games[edit]

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Previously subject of a contested PROD. No secondary sources. Zero useful content. Previous consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dominica at the 2010 Commonwealth Games was that these articles are not useful, particularly if they lack substantive content.

I am also nominating the following related pages:

AusLondonder (talk) 14:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect all to 2002 Commonwealth Games. Athletes need to win a medal for their participation in an event to become notable - seems most reasonable to apply that to countries as well. BrigadierG (talk) 18:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with making that a blanket rule, but many of these countries that send a small number of participants won't generate coverage to pass WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for notifying me. As I'm not sure what they could be replaced with if deleted, I would favour completing those articles rather than deleting them (and subsequently re-creating them with proper content). Either that, or put into Dominica at the Commonwealth Games (etc) the content that they should have, and turn them into a redirect. Aridd (talk) 16:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AusLondonder, did you add these additional articles to this nomination or did someone else? Whomever did it, please move this list of articles to the top of the AFD, above any comments, so that XFDcloser will see them as being part of this AFD nomination. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Liz: Thanks, will do. They were towards the top before, appears someone accidentally commented above them. AusLondonder (talk) 09:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AusLondonder, nicely done. Thank you. XFDcloser can be a little fussy. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect all to "X at the Commonwealth Games" (where X is country name). Not enough coverage for separate articles, but they look to have 2002 mentioned in their parent articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all with prejudice to Anguilla at the Commonwealth Games, Antigua and Barbuda at the Commonwealth Games etc. XX at XX CG are often barebones article, almost templates, with no hope whatsoever for expansion to actual articles. The sensible solution is to merge on sight with the appropriate country pages. Geschichte (talk) 08:38, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm not sure a redirect is necessary. The Montserrat page, for example, was averaging views in the single digits per month, not even statistically significant. Most internal links are via templates such as Template:Associations at the 2002 Commonwealth Games. I also don't particularly see how a redirect here fulfils the criteria at WP:RPURPOSE. Also taking a look at the template Associations at the 2002 Commonwealth Games about half the template are redlinks. Finally, the redirects are not plausible search terms. AusLondonder (talk) 09:56, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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As a native of the island mentioned in this AFD discussion title (obvious disclosure), merge and source into Dominica at the Commonwealth Games (as an example). (If possible--for completion's sake--we may as well actually mention the names of the six athletes who participated back then.) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 17:46, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merging just 2002 to the parent articles when no other years, even more successful years, are mentioned, doesn't seem like appropriate balance. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect all to 2002 Commonwealth Games. Little chance any coverage exists to satisfy GNG individually. JoelleJay (talk) 01:19, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports broadcasting contracts in South America[edit]

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I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason below:

WP:NOTGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, the sources are announcements or are primary and does not assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:25, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete WP:NOTTVGUIDE covers this explicitly BrigadierG (talk) 12:48, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete all: Wikipedia is not a TV guide. Let'srun (talk) 17:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: At least keep the South America article, which is more updated. These articles help out of country viewers information about sports rights in their countries, and as such they serve a reference function worthy of encyclopedic value. The majority are good articles with good independent references and should not be considered for deletion. These lists are not TV guides--Claudio Fernag (talk) 18:23, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:VALUABLE applies. Useful to you but it doesn't mean it should belong on Wikipedia. Is it sourced though? Does it have a reliable third party source that is not news announcements? SpacedFarmer (talk) 22:54, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Wikipedia isn't a TV guide. This does not meet the WP:LISTN criteria. Let'srun (talk) 16:05, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These lists are not TV guides. Claudio Fernag (talk) 19:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not as in what time your favourite league is on your TV channel. More like a list of what channel you can watch your favourite leagues. SpacedFarmer (talk) 21:41, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. This isn't encyclopedic content, and it doesn't meet WP:NLIST in any way, shape or form. Note: the only person so far advocating keeping is the creator of the South American article. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:52, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep:There are other similar articles on lists of sports rights (football, Olympics, basketball, etc.) that are a contribution and not TV guides.--Edu1388 (talk) 20:14, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:USEFUL applies to this argument. The difference between this and others you mentioned (or some) is that they are in a better quality and this isn't. SpacedFarmer (talk) 21:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for the reasons outlined by Claudio Fernag --Pablo inos (talk) 21:26, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please come up with a better argument than that. SpacedFarmer (talk) 22:33, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Statue of Roberto Clemente (Louisville, Kentucky)[edit]

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Not a notable statue. And I don't know how relevant this is but the location is also not significant to the baseball player who is depicted. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, a prominent artwork in the Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory museum's statue gallery, this statue is only one of two of Clemente on Wikipedia. I'm not understanding why it should be deleted, although it's a stub that could be expanded with text and a photograph the statue depicts one of America's most famous and honored baseball players and humanitarians. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:17, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
delete unless some actual content can be scraped together in which case it might just merit a merge, either to the man or the museum.TheLongTone (talk) 15:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect. This subject is reasonably notable per sources provided in the article and its talk page, but the question here really is whether there will ever be enough content to ever stretch this beyond a tiny stub. Coverage of this subject in Legacy of Roberto Clemente or Roberto Clemente should suffice. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 17:12, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect I found several local sources covering the unveiling of the statue at the museum, but they all basically say the same thing about a routine ceremony for a routine statue (this museum has seven of them in its gallery) about an extraordinary man. Without further WP:LASTING coverage, I don't think we need an article so say that so-and-so attended this event when Legacy of Roberto Clemente and Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory can cover the museum's exhibits and collection and his various forms of recognition. There are many other local news pieces about the museum's other exhibits, awards, artifacts, and events; this being a statue doesn't mean it can't still be covered in the main articles. The fame of the subject and the number of statues there are of him is not relevant to whether this particular one needs a stand-alone article. (Reywas92) (talk)
- @Reywas92, if it has to be merged, would prefer a merge and redirect to Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory. Clemente has many, many statues of him in hundreds of locations and I don't think - I'm sure you would agree - every statue of Clemente merits a mention in the main articles. There are a few mentioned in the article which are relevant to Clemente's legacy or if he has a personal to the place. The obvious one, of course, is Pittsburgh.

There are hundreds of statues of Roberto Clemente? Where? There is this one in the museum of the Louisville Slugger bat manufacturer and there is one in Pittsburgh. Having articles about these two prominent statues are not overwhelming Wikipedia servers and should be kept. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:27, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a WP:EVERYTHING argument "Wikipedia has space for it", not based on policy. I think Louisville Slugger Museum & Factory would be the better merge/redirect target, though Legacy of Roberto Clemente should also mention it. I don't think the statue is even that "prominent", it's just one of seven similar ones inside the museum, with no coverage beyond the museum's unveiling event. Not that any public art is automatically notable, but larger ones outdoors are at least sometimes included in various guides as visible local landmarks or don't always have obvious redirect targets like parts of a museum's exhibits. Reywas92^Talk 21:44, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ernesto Wong[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Non-notable baseball career with no statistics, and no coverage outside playing city (Turin). 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 19:52, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep the obituaries were published by several news outlets: TorinoToday, Repubblica, RaiNews, La Stampa, Corriere. It seems enough to justify GNG, but I found very little pre-death coverage. Broc (talk) 06:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John O'Reilly (baseball)[edit]

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Non-notable baseball player, fails WP:GNG. This is all the coverage I have found of him and it would fail WP:BLP1E. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Some coverage while in college [19], but not really helping notability. He plays in Ireland now, so there is coverage there. [20] and [21] Oaktree b (talk) 15:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2018 Caloocan Supremos season[edit]

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of notability under SNG or GNG. The SNG explicitly says that these are not presumed notable and thus require GNG sources. Misses that by several levels. The one source that the article has is about the league. "Stats" only article also relates to wp:not. Tagged for sources since January. Previously deleted. North8000 (talk) 15:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Have you noticed that all the teams from 2018 have season entries? Geschichte (talk) 16:32, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, but now I looked....at just the ones in the NPP que. It is then further multiplied by articles on pairs of those teams. Titled as rivalry articles, where (per a quick preliminary look) the sources don't describe them as rivalries. North8000 (talk) 20:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment as it stands, fails GNG on its face, but I'm not sure how to conduct a BEFORE search for this. SportingFlyer T·C 17:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IMO the ones excluded by the SNG have a near-zero chance of having GNG level sources. North8000 (talk) 19:21, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of career achievements by Larry Bird[edit]

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Purely an indiscriminate list of statistics that is a WP:NOTSTATS violation. Let'srun (talk) 00:54, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment For reference, there's Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Dwight Howard, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Carmelo Anthony , Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Chris Paul and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Dwyane Wade (2nd nomination).
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Delete indiscriminate list of stats with no added encyclopedic value. Broc (talk) 09:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but prune (e.g. game winners aren't particularly noteworthy). Bird is one of the all-time greats of basketball, with many notable achievements. (No offense to the others whose lists have been deleted, but Bird is in a different league.) Clarityfiend (talk) 11:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Bird is a Hall of Famer, but these achievements are a bit of a stretch (e.g. 49 points, 14 rebounds, 12 assists and one blocked shot in a game). Not a lot there that warrants a standalone list. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - just FYI to everyone. List of career achievements by Jack Nicklaus was kept after AfD discussion a couple weeks ago. The result was a unanimous keep. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 05:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not generally a convincing argument. Let'srun (talk) 11:45, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree. But I will continue mentioning it every time since WP:OSE (Howard, Anthony, Paul, Wade) is being shared above on the deletion side of things. - BeFriendlyGoodSir (talk) 17:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Except the other listed AfDs are just links, are to the same sport and league, and dont explictly mention their outcome. —Bagumba (talk) 01:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:TOOBIG was the major reason cited there, which doesn't apply to Larry Bird.—Bagumba (talk) 11:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Genesis Health Clubs - Orlando Sportsplex[edit]

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Only mention in independent sources I can find are local papers discussing the facility's 2022 sale. Seems to fail WP:NORG. funplussmart (talk) 23:56, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There appears to have been regular mentions of "RDV Sportsplex" in local news but I can't find anything beyond the usual namechecks. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Giedrė Labuckienė[edit]

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Fails GNG and NBIO. BLP, nothing found in article or BEFORE showing this has WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 00:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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On a number of wikis, including the Polish and French versions which have both more content and 14 and 15 sources, respectively. A 15-year-player for the Lithuanian national team, have any of the sources been checked? BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:34, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I finally edited it and Im gonna take a part of Polish Wikipedia

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Comment I haven't looked through them but a brief look of Lithuanian sources gives numerous hits, did the BEFORE focus on those or just a general Google search? Alvaldi (talk) 12:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep While the article needs work, the subject seems to be notable basketball player. [22][23][24] Alvaldi (talk) 13:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- Article definitely needs work but the subject seems to meet WP:GNG. Aside from the ones provided by Alvaldi, I found [25], [26], [27], [28]JTtheOG (talk) 00:18, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of career achievements by Dwight Howard[edit]

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This is another WP:NOTSTATS violation featuring indiscriminate trivia. Let'srun (talk) 01:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. This is a harmless list of achievements rather than an indiscriminate collection of stats. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:HARMLESS is generally not an accepted reason to keep.—Bagumba (talk) 07:01, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment For reference, there's Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Carmelo Anthony , Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Chris Paul and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Dwyane Wade (2nd nomination).—Bagumba (talk) 06:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I think parts of this article do qualify as an "indiscriminate collection of information". Take the "NBA highs since 1983-84" section. Why is that season chosen as the cutoff? Who is the audience for statistics with that level of granularity? Who is going to take the time to confirm that all of that content is still up to date? The more important achievements should already be listed in the Dwight Howard article. Zagalejo (talk) 22:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Similar to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Carmelo Anthony, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Chris Paul and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of career achievements by Dwyane Wade (2nd nomination). WP:CONTENTFORK packed with WP:UNDUE, indiscriminate mentions of being one of X players to achieve a trivial statistical cross section, or arbitrary cutoffs like "since 1983–84". Major, defining achievements should be captured in the main bio. Also fails WP:NOTSTATS: Statistics that lack context or explanation can reduce readability and may be confusing The page is a pure stats dump.—Bagumba (talk) 15:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There's no good reason for this entire category of articles to exist. A person's notable accomplishments should be found in the article about that person. A person's non-notable accomplishments should be found nowhere. There will always be disputes whether a certain accomplishment is notable or not, and such disputes are valid and necessary. This type of article is essentially claiming that there's a whole new category "Sort-Of-Notable-Ish Accomplishments". There is no such category. If it turns out that articles about brilliant outliers with huge lists of notable accomplishments become too long to read, deal with those individually. TooManyFingers (talk) 23:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of EuroLeague broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, will be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. I also advise Fandom for them if they want to save it so much. SpacedFarmer (talk) 13:07, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Peach Boxing[edit]

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. A boxing gym business. Zero references on the gym/business. All of them are about events related to boxers. North8000 (talk) 15:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nominator. Choucas Bleu (T·C) 15:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Isaac Peach. There's a lack of coverage about the gym itself. The three New Zealand boxing gym of the year awards were given by a blogger, so it shows no significance to me. It seems like Isaac Peach is the most significant part of the gym and much of the two articles seem to overlap about fighters he has trained. It's possible that the individual article may not be WP notable either, but that's a discussion for another time. Papaursa (talk) 14:49, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Artur Khachatryan[edit]

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Boxer whose only reference is a database entry. There is a draft for a diplomat, Draft: Artur Khachatryan, which will otherwise require disambiguation. The need for disambiguation is not a reason to delete, but the lack of sports notability is Robert McClenon (talk) 22:16, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There's more content at the Russian and Polish wikis that should be checked. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:20, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed with above comment. I'd lean to a procedural keep if those sources help demonstrate WP:N. Archives908 (talk) 22:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails to meet WP:NBOX, WP:ANYBIO, or WP:GNG. The AIBA database entry shows he had 4 wins and 5 losses in his short career. His bronze medal at the European championships qualified him for the 2011 world championships where he lost his first fight (in the round of 64). I saw no significant independent coverage of him and no indication of meeting any WP notability criteria. Papaursa (talk) 14:41, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abdul Ameer[edit]

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This guy fails both WP:GNG and WP:NCRICKET. A search seems to only one article with his name in it and it only covers him tangentially. Allan Nonymous (talk) 23:25, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete samee converse 01:23, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I found several references using this search by focusing my search on Dawn.com, a leading English-language newspaper in Pakistan. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 05:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sources here seem to all be tangential coverage of him playing for his team. The first hit isn't even of Abdul Ameer but of a M. Abdul Ameer who seems to be unrelated. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete too poor to stay on Wikipedia, not much to salvage around here. Acartonadooopo (talk) 20:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Acartonadooopo, it's the English Wikipedia's rule that Wikipedia:Deletion is not cleanup. It doesn't matter whether the current version of the article is "too poor to stay on Wikipedia", because the question here at AFD is whether the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia:Separate, stand-alone article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Karachi Kings cricketers Not sure I'm seeing enough in a search to suggest a WP:GNG pass, however there could well be offline coverage. Suitable redirect per WP:ATD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rugbyfan22 (talk • contribs) 19:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Sources likely to exist in Pakistan; taking 100 first-class wickets is no mean feat. AA (talk) 22:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Sources likely to exist" is a WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES argument. Allan Nonymous (talk) 15:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Phumza Mntungwa[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African cricketer, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 19:07, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Boland representative cricketers Looks to fail WP:GNG. Suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sihle Magongoma[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African cricketer, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 19:06, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Eastern Province representative cricketers Looks to fail WP:GNG. Suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kyle Brazell[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an Australian cricketer player, to meet WP:GNG. The closest to WP:SIGCOV that I found were 1 and 2, both from the same publication. JTtheOG (talk) 04:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep I'd say there's enough in those sources to keep the article for now, given the player has only debuted this season as there will likely be more coverage in the coming future. Wouldn't be against draftifying, but also a suitable redirect at List of South Australian representative cricketers also, so two suitable WP:ATDs. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:57, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think 1 and 2 are something which cover independently about the subject, plus there are other refs in the article. These can be considered as enough, since the player debuted just in this season, more coverage is likely to come in future if he continues playing. In terms of SNGs, it meets WP:NCRIC as well. Robo^CricLet's chat 05:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The South Australian Cricket Association and Cricket Australia are not independent of the subject. The former directly administers the South Australia cricket team that he plays on, and is affiliated with the latter. Given his young age, I support draftification as an ATD, as well as the redirect suggested by Rugbyfan22. JTtheOG (talk) 05:17, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Although, they cover directly about the subject, the problem is that those are primary sources. Those contain useful information, so I linked those. However, apart from these two, I guess this is a secondary source which discusses about the topic, his education qualification and also his performance. I just wanted to say that since he debuted in this season, all these can be considered enough for a keep. Anyway, if the consensus reached by other editors is not to keep it, then I'll agree with a redirect. Thanks. Robo^Cric Let's chat 11:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Draftify~~, not enough independent secondary material to meet GNG but there may be in the near future.
Redirect. JoelleJay (talk) 15:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Inclined to agree with Rugbyfan22 on this one. AA (talk) 22:12, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Either keep or redirect to the list of SA cricketers. Drafting this serves zero benefit really - it'll just end up getting deleted as no one will remember the draft is there. If there's not enough coverage for now then redirecting is the normal response in situations such as this - much easier to reverse a redirect and restore the page before adding the additional sources that are likely to appear if he continues to play. Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: To better summarize the sources in question, there are a couple sentences of coverage here, though it's mostly quotes, and four-ish sentences of coverage here. Both are from The Advertiser so they should be counted as one source. JTtheOG (talk) 04:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed merge candidates[edit]

Proposed deletion candidates[edit]

Cue sports[edit]

Cycling[edit]

Stages Cycling[edit]

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Article does not assert notability, therefore fail WP:NCORP - the only ones i can find is reports of mass layoffs and reported bankruptcy. Sources in the body text are hardly what you call reliable third party sources. SpacedFarmer (talk) 21:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Max Wirth (cyclist)[edit]

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lugnuts stub. fails notability guidelines for cyclists. ltb d l (talk) 09:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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According to the German Wikipedia, he was a Swiss national champion in cycling and there's several offline sources which are referenced. Those should be checked, and also one should check Swiss newspaper archives, as it seems quite likely a nation's national cycling champion would be covered there. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if the Swiss Cycling Association is independent though? Let'srun (talk) 12:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm... true. I was also just able to find what appears to be an online Swiss newspaper archive -- see here. I can't figure out how to get it to work, though... BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:21, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I narrowed down the search for you: {"Max Wirth" AND (Rad OR Velo)} and a little wither search: {"Max Wirth" AND (Rad* OR Velo*)} Maybe you'll find a good source. I have no time to do the search. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 19:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cycling Proposed deletions[edit]

Deletion Review[edit]

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Football[edit]

Robert Glen[edit]

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The only reference for this stub biography of a footballer is a database entry, so this stub no longer satisfies sports notability and does not satisfy general notability. Draftification will provide six months to find significant coverage.

Draftify as nominator. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:09, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: while I am aware of the changed notability criteria, seems a bit odd to go straight to AfD for a subject like this where the article already existed for some years under the old rules, would it not be more appropriate to tag for verification first, then move up from that if not acted on? It seems very likely this player will appear in the British Newspaper Archive and there are far more 'deserving' nominations from this era than an international player and cup winner? I have added refs that indicate his prominence, but appreciate they would not satisfy SIGCOV. Crowsus (talk) 02:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Absurd nomination. This player represented his country and won national competitions. If that doesn't satisfy notability then this place is a complete waste of time. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 04:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - clearly notable. 200 professional appearances in England and Scotland, a Scotland international, there is coverage out there including in Paul Smith's book about Scotland players - silly nomination. Good work by Crowsus and JM on expanding. Giant Snowman 09:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hwang Jin-hyok[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 23:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:34, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Silesia national football team[edit]

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Silesia is not a country, so it cannot be this. Rename it--but to what? There's no Frisian national football team or Walloon national football team either. Plus, the article is little more than a directory and a list of matches. Drmies (talk) 21:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep, should certainly be trimmed / improved / sourced, whole sections could go, but it seems a bit unfair to single out this team, as it is only one of a long list here, and while I realise it's not a real guide to notability, the fact that it has 9 language versions at least show there's some passing interest beyond its homeland and has some historical significance. It's pretty niche stuff, but a lot of others in that list are too and it may be more logical to start from the most obscure and work up, don't want to insult anyone's region but Seborga national football team looks an example of one with far less merit for inclusion than Silesia.

The name is a topic that's come up previously, particularly relating to the more prominent non-nations like Catalonia. Personally I would have no problem with it being something like 'representative football team' for all of these, but it's been argued that there are quite a few non-sovereign FIFA teams so the word 'national' is really just used to differentiate them from clubs and does not necessarily infer a certain status on the territory in question.

Only other thing is, do Wallonia and Frisia have any sort of combined team that plays matches? That's not meant to be a 'well do they???' question, I'm genuinely not sure, but I couldn't see one on French or Dutch wiki where one might expect to find something snuck away. If they have never had such a team, it's not really fair to compare their non-presence to articles for teams that have demonstrably played matches, even if really long ago and/or at a very low level. Crowsus (talk) 22:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – There are football teams that cover non-sovereign territories, such as the most notable cases of Catalonia and the Basque Country, as well as some CONIFA members such as Occitania and County of Nice. If there are sources that cover the team, there are no problems, as Silesia is competing in the UEFA Regions' Cup. Svartner (talk) 01:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no coverage, team doesn't appear to play regularly (5/6 matches in 90 years???), no evidence of notability. If it is kept, it should be renamed to Silesia official football team or Silesia representative football team, as it is NOT a national team like Poland national football team etc. Giant Snowman 09:34, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Football Superleague of Kosovo broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The most fancrufty list to appeal to the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, the only source does not help to assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Ekstraklasa broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The most fancrufty list to appeal to the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are entirely primary, are basically news announcement and does not help to assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Argentine Primera División broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The most fancrufty list to appeal to the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are basically news announcement and does not help to assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:32, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vilma Abrahamsson[edit]

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 11:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:SPORTCRIT. BlakeIsHereStudios (talk | contributions) 16:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject to meet GNG or SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 19:06, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 01:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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List of Belgian Pro League broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Czech First League broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, not a single source. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Swiss Super League broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Indian Super League broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are archived pages of primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Nemzeti Bajnokság I broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Not a single source in any shape or form. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:57, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:31, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of UEFA Europa Conference League broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Contextes are there to claim 'channel x' brought out the right to coverages in 'country x', not to assert notability. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of UEFA Super Cup broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Contextes are there to claim 'channel x' brought out the right to coverages in 'country x', not to assert notability. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Algerian Ligue Professionnelle 1 broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Contextes are there to claim 'channel x' brought out the right to voerages in 'country x', not to assert notability. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Bundesliga broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. No context to assert notability either. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of La Liga broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. No context to assert notability either. Also, sources are primary sources, nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Serie A broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. No context to assert notability. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, sources are nothing but news announcements and none of those assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:55, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Süper Lig broadcasters[edit]

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Also, the only source are nothing but news announcement and does not assert notability. Those arguing for a keep claiming how useful it is, shall be advised to refer to WP:USEFUL. SpacedFarmer (talk) 07:53, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails NLIST, fails NOTTVGUIDE, fails CLN. Listcruft. // Timothy :: talk 12:18, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:30, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indrė Venskevičiūtė[edit]

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, a Lithuanian women's footballer, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 18:58, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:55, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Busch Field[edit]

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No refs on the page for many years. Not seeing substantial coverage of the topic in independent reliable sources needed for consideration against the inclusion criteria. JMWt (talk) 14:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Agreeing for the reasons listed above, and I would raise the idea of redirecting to Busch Stadium Kingsmasher678 (talk) 14:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Convert to disambiguation page with an entry for William & Mary Tribe#Field hockey and an entry for the more notable Busch Stadium. Maintain article history at the DAB page. I would have voted "redirect" if not for the complication of the other stadium. Fails GNG due to no SIGCOV, but a reasonable search term. Frank Anchor 20:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Support disambig per Frank Anchor. Giant Snowman 18:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of football clubs in Wallis and Futuna[edit]

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No citations, all the blue links are redirects or links to cities/towns on the islands. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 02:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Just WP:BOLD redirect it to Football in Wallis and Futuna. Reywas92^Talk 13:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Or redirect to Football in Wallis and Futuna. Svartner (talk) 15:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as collection of random information, and also purge the template "List of association football clubs in Oceania". Geschichte (talk) 16:25, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Rumen Shankulov[edit]

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This article doesn't meet the notability guidelines set down in WP:SPORTCRIT Kingsmasher678 (talk) 13:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, submitted by accident this before I was finished writing the reasons. There are no sources outside of trivial stat listings, which are not considered a contribution to notability. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 13:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slavcho Boychev[edit]

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Per WP:NSPORT, the existence of stat pages is not enough to prove notability. There are no other sources referenced, and nothing shows up in a search for news articles or other sourceable media. This article clearly doesn't meet the notability requirements. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 14:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Seems like he went on to have a political career. JTtheOG (talk) 22:01, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stoyan Todorov[edit]

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Does not meet the notability standards in WP:NSPORT. In addition, no non-trivial sources are provided, and I could not find any. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 14:48, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of soccer clubs in the Marshall Islands[edit]

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The page has a single source, and none of these are legitimate clubs. They are only teams that happened to be registered with that name, and seemingly never operated at any capacity outside of amateur tournaments that took place years ago. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 15:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete look like a WP:HOAX. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 19:01, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't say hoax- there are supporting sources at RSSSF, this is just not notable at all. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 19:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see, I was mistaken. I thought that when you said "legitimate clubs" that you meant they didn't actually exist. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 22:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No, these teams aren't hoaxes, but this sounds more equivalent to your local softball league sponsored by taverns and breweries in the United States more than a group of even semi-pro teams and they're there for fun, not glory. Nate • (chatter) 20:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Or redirect to Football in the Marshall Islands. Football is completely incipient there, just like Niue, FS Micronesia or Palau. Svartner (talk) 22:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I would consider this as village club teams that do not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 11:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, While these clubs do exist, they are too insignificant for coverage. Samoht27 (talk) 15:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jang Kyong-il[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A few databases online, but nothing else to suggest GNG, delete per nom. Govvy (talk) 21:29, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Nothing here. Per nom. Anwegmann (talk) 23:01, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 11:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG, also doesn't meet Wikipedia:Notability (sports). Noorullah (talk) 05:46, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hwang Hak-sun[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Nothing on the Japanese article, the guy is Japanese not Korean, but other than that error, I don't see GNG here. Govvy (talk) 21:27, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 22:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I did a quick Google search and couldnt find anything to construct WP:GNG. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 11:47, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Liuba Dragomir[edit]

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Redirect to List of Moldova women's international footballers as I am unable to find sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 02:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Support redirect Traumnovelle (talk) 02:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 20:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 22:29, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Moldova women's international footballers due to subject's lack of WP:GNG. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 11:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tunzala Suleymanova[edit]

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Redirect to List of Azerbaijan women's international footballers as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. All I found was this interview, where she claims to have retired at age 23 or 24. JTtheOG (talk) 23:42, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 20:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 22:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per nom. Anwegmann (talk) 23:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

William James Crawford[edit]

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Unref article, and I couldn't find sources to show he meets WP:BIO / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 19:18, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I see some of his works online, but I don't see anything to suggest notability. Govvy (talk) 21:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 22:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Unreffed, fails WP:BIO. Anwegmann (talk) 23:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Algerian Cup Final referees[edit]

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Irrelevant article of mostly non-notable people, which doesn't meet WP:GNG. We tend to only have articles like this for major events like FIFA World Cup referees, not for national cup tournaments like this one. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, not relevant for Wikipedia. Geschichte (talk) 12:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per WP:INDISCRIMINATE, WP:NLIST. Svartner (talk) 18:21, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Algerian Cup semi-finals[edit]

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Non-notable topic. 'Algerian Cup semi-finals' is not independently notable outside of the Algerian Cup and an unlikely search term. Merging may not be an option since the whole article is unreferenced. Details of the semi-finals themselves seem to be already covered in individual season articles, although for example 1964–65 Algerian Cup is completely unreferenced as well. C 679 04:52, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This really is not about notability, season pages are okay for the cup and that covers each semi, this is really not in the WP:SCOPE of how to construct the football content on wikipedia. Govvy (talk) 09:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete don't need a separate articles for semi-finals, they can be covered in other existing articles like the parent article Algerian Cup or the season articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:01, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Separate articles for finals are understandable, but not for semi-finals. Svartner (talk) 18:20, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rachid Ghanimi[edit]

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I can't seem to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV on this player. This might be a WP:TOOSOON situation. In any case, it clearly fails WP:GNG. It was also draftified previously due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV, but the original creator moved the article to mainspace without changing anything. Anwegmann (talk) 03:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV . Looking for sources only brings up stat pages like Transfermarkt and fbref . Kpg jhp jm 04:14, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 18:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alenga Charles[edit]

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This comes across as WP:TOOSOON, as the player is young and only getting started. That said, this article clearly fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG as it stands right now. Several searches hardly brought up databases, much less anything of substance. Anwegmann (talk) 03:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:24, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There are quite number of sources though primary and silent meet out criteria for media coverage. The article may be notable in the future. But for now, WP:NOTJUSTYET. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:53, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hong Song-nam (footballer)[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Football at the 1976 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads where his name is listed and only known for. Govvy (talk) 09:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Football at the 1976 Summer Olympics – Men's team squads#North Korea per Govvy. Giant Snowman 17:54, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above. Anwegmann (talk) 01:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hong Jin-song[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:48, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Nothing at all to go on here. Fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 01:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024–25 Malaysia A2 Amateur League[edit]

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Seasonal article for a non-notable lower division amateur league in Malaysia, nothing indicates that such an article would pass WP:GNG Snowflake91 (talk) 11:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:05, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify I do think it's notable - it does get coverage in local papers, and a third tier amateur league isn't ineligible if it passes WP:GNG. The bigger problem here is that it appears to be WP:TOOSOON - all of the coverage is from last season, such as [29] [30]. SportingFlyer T·C 02:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This tournament not start yet, schedule in June. I will find reliable source to update in this article. FM Malaysia (talk) 03:05, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024–25 Malaysia A3 Community League[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG, seasonal article for a fully-amateur 4th division of Malaysian football, no indication of any significant coverage outside of primary sources. Snowflake91 (talk) 11:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the sources in the article already pass WP:GNG after translation. The problem is the competition hasn't started yet, so there's not any better sources to find on the competition itself. SportingFlyer T·C 02:37, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Then it needs to be drafted first, this article is basically one huge "this section is empty" and nothing else, there is literally no content in the article. Snowflake91 (talk) 10:01, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify - the 'article' has no meaningful content Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This tournament not start yet, schedule in May. I will find reliable source to update in this article. FM Malaysia (talk) 03:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Patricio Vidal (Chilean footballer)[edit]

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I can't find any mention of this guy anywhere. He seems to have been a bit player on the teams he played. WP:GNG fails. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless the resident expert on Chilean football, @ImSnot, knows of any sources, any accomplishments, anytihng useful. Geschichte (talk) 15:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Angeline Gustave[edit]

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Poorly sourced footballer BLP. I found a couple of pieces covering her move to France (1, 2, 3, 4, 5), but nothing in-depth. #3 is probably the best source. JTtheOG (talk) 17:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 22:06, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Football at the 2027 Pan American Games[edit]

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WP:TOOSOON. There is absolutely no need or use for this page so far away from the 2027 Games. The desire to create articles too early should be stamped out. It won't be any more useful in six months either, negating the desirability of draftification. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2026 South American U-17 Women's Championship and many others. Geschichte (talk) 10:06, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Completely hasty in relation to the event. Svartner (talk) 12:33, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete way WP:TOOSOON. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:56, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability, and there won't be any updates for 2 years. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Far WP:TOOSOON. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 16:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pavel Šulc[edit]

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I apologize if this may not be a good nomination because I do not follow Czech football league, but am doing so as what the tag states. Despite the corresponding CZ Wikipedia article being longer, from what I can read, the secondary sources listed there only contain brief mentions on Pavel Šulc himself; nothing in-depth to pass WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. CuteDolphin712 (talk) 09:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, unquestionable notability. The player had a breakout season this year, and is covered week after week after week (examples from one news outlet). Who has time to sift through it all? I started making some additions as to how the player had made his mark. Geschichte (talk) 10:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Currently the top scorer of the 2023–24 Czech First League season, member of Czech Republic national football team. This nomination is a bad joke. FromCzech (talk) 10:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per above. Apparently mistaken appointment. Svartner (talk) 12:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Article could certainly be improved, but the player is clearly notable now, [31], [32], having played for the national team, etc. Govvy (talk) 14:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Very surprising nomination. This is a clearly a notable subject. Anwegmann (talk) 00:31, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep as above, obviously notable, awful nomination. Giant Snowman 17:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree with everything that has been written above apart from the nominator's statement. SportingFlyer T·C 02:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tsvetana Mancheva[edit]

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Redirect to List of Bulgaria women's international footballers as I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 04:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 12:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 20:29, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ólafsfjarðarvöllur[edit]

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Likely hoax. Only source is permanent dead link. "Capacity of 2100" is more than twice the town's population. Claims to be the home field of Knattspyrnufélag Fjarðabyggðar, which was in a completely different part of Iceland. Numberguy6 (talk) 00:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 12:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I added several references. For the capacity, https://www.nordicstadiums.com/olafsfjardarvollur/ says total capacity of 2,100 but only 150 seats, which is consistent with the photos in the references. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 15:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - I normally suggest redirecting non-notable stadiums, but this is not mentioned at either the club (Knattspyrnufélag Fjarðabyggðar) or the locality (Ólafsfjörður). Giant Snowman 20:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Appears to lack notability in full. Anwegmann (talk) 00:26, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not a hoax. Fjallabyggð and Fjarðabyggð are two separate teams, and someone picked the wrong one hence the confusion. SportingFlyer T·C 02:40, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Park Seung-ri[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:58, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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*Keep per sources at ja:朴昇利 Japanese wikipedia. Govvy (talk) 16:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

what do the sources say? Giant Snowman 20:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GiantSnowman: To be honest, the sources seem pretty routine, transfers, contracts and terminations. There was one good source talking about his trial, but it really wasn't that great. I realised I read some of it wrong, I also thought he was playing at a higher level. As he played for quite a few clubs I don't believe a redirect would work. I am going to change my vote to delete. Regards Govvy (talk) 21:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for taking a more in-depth look. Giant Snowman 17:17, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or redirect I think its better to either redirect the page to Azul Claro Numazu or delete it since the subject doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability criteria, including WP:BASIC or even WP:1E. Also, the Japanese page lacks sufficient sourcing and quality writing, so i see no reason to maintain it. Lililolol (talk) 20:03, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Just routine sources. Svartner (talk) 22:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hong Dae-hwa[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ho Jong-min[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Anwegmann (talk) 00:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Han Yong-gi[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 00:51, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:27, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 00:28, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bayan Mahmoudi[edit]

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Redirect to List of Iran women's international footballers as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 20:22, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 21:17, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per nom. Anwegmann (talk) 00:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect The Persian version also does not have more than 1 citation. Yolandagonzales (talk) 09:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksandr Zinovyev (footballer)[edit]

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Non-notable BLP. Few sources exist in Google, Google Books, JSTOR, TWL, and others. 2003 LN 6 18:02, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Doesn't seem to be much to go on here. Fails WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 00:24, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I noticed some football players doesn't meet WP:SPORTSBIO & WP:SPORTSCRIT, with reference to databases which is not WP:SIGCOV. Unfortunately, this is one of them! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Sporting Clube da Praia players[edit]

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Indiscriminate list of mostly non-notable people fails to meet the criteria defined by the WP:NLIST. Let'srun (talk) 15:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE. The player base from most of the club's history is completely impossible to verify, the list is utterly impossible to maintain and the vast majority of entries on the list would be amateur footballers that fail WP:GNG individually. People that do meet GNG individually, and whose playing for SC Praia we have verified, can be collected in a category. Geschichte (talk) 08:04, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:55, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per similar AfD (CD Travadores players). Svartner (talk) 22:09, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Redundant list filled with unsourced materials and non-notable players. X (talk) 18:31, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nurul Maulidi[edit]

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This is a database entry rather than an article currently and I can't find any evidence of WP:SIGCOV in my searches. The best sources found were JPNN, Republika and Detik none of which are even close to showing significant coverage of Nurul Maulidi. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:33, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:23, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per all above. Anwegmann (talk) 00:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I'm also unable to find WP:SIGCOV. WC gudang inspirasi (talk) 04:18, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sugiarto[edit]

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Had a brief career but mostly as a substitute and I can't find any WP:SIGCOV at all in reliable sources. Bola, Viva and Tribun News all confirm that he was a real footballer but none of these are instances of actual significant coverage, which is what is required. Indonesian football was well covered at the time but little was written about Sugiarto it seems. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:22, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:23, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Very little to go on here. Clearly fails WP:SIGCOV and even WP:SPORTBASIC. Anwegmann (talk) 00:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Even as an Indonesian person myself, I could only find other people with this surname than this soccer player, failing WP:V. CuteDolphin712 (talk) 11:54, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 18:26, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen Tedja[edit]

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Poorly sourced BLP on a footballer that only ever played one game. In my Arabic searches, I found Al-Sharq, a trivial mention, Kooora, which is no better, and this transfer announcement, which contains no significant detail. No sign of any WP:SIGCOV or even a passing of WP:SPORTBASIC #5. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:24, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I am unable to find sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 00:12, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Doesn't meet WP:SPORTSBIO. Minimal fail! Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 14:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:22, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 21:16, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Clearly fails WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 00:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as it not only fails WP:SIGCOV, but it is just a simple stub that has nothing notable about it. It also has just a single sentence that describes this player, with no other info to add. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 10:36, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hassan Waleed[edit]

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Did have a brief professional career but can't find any clear evidence of meeting WP:GNG, which is what is required. He is not to be confused with the handball player Hassan Walid, about whom plenty of content can be found. My Arabic searches didn't yield any significant coverage about this footballer. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:15, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:22, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SIGCOV in a league that gets decent coverage. Anwegmann (talk) 00:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as I cannot find any sources that can make this person notable. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 10:33, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – After 7 years of having a page, it's all of 1 line.. MaskedSinger (talk) 06:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdulrahman Al-Kuhaili[edit]

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We have Soccerway and Football Database to confirm that he exists but his career only lasted a few minutes. I can find Arriyadiyah but it's only a trivial mention. No evidence of WP:GNG or even WP:SPORTBASIC #5. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:08, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:22, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Clearly fails WP:SIGCOV in a league that gets decent coverage. Anwegmann (talk) 00:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: An article about an unverifiable content drawn to a footballer who doesn't meet our general entry guidelines. Per WP:BEFORE, as usual, were databases soccer way, transfer..., etc. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:37, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmed Al-Malki[edit]

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Poorly sourced BLP. Transfermarkt and Soccerway confirm existence but not notability. I found Alyaum but it's a basic Q&A with the footballer and with no analysis. This doesn't count towards WP:GNG. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:07, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:22, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There's nothing here. Fails WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 00:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sergey Pryadkin[edit]

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Created by a banned sockpuppet, and most of the coverage seems to be WP:ROUTINE. Considered PROD, but decided against given that the sources here. Allan Nonymous (talk) 14:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete: G5: No other users except for the sockpuppet has made any substantial edits. Additionally almost all references are WP:ROUTINE and as such fail WP:GNG. Nagol0929 (talk) 15:05, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 16:47, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete given the article's history. Anwegmann (talk) 00:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep 14 years at the head of the Russian Football Premier League, one of the main people in Russian football. Detailed articles about the person’s activities in Novaya Gazeta [33] and RBC Group [34].--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 06:11, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably better to cover his role in that article then, per WP:BLP1E. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Before we move on to extant sources, we should note that the article's subject (a) has been the president of the top-tier Russian football league for fourteen years, (b) has been vice president of Russia's football association, and (c) has served in UEFA's top councils & committees. These attributes, on their own, support subject's independent notability, even if we were to have only sources that would simply state them and nothing more. Yet, sources exist, in ample numbers: Associated Press article]; Tass reports here, here, and many more; The Guardian report on Pryadkin & racism in football; etc. -The Gnome (talk) 20:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
AP source is WP:ROUTINE, WP:TASS is unreliable and, the Guardian source is a short clip that lacks WP:DEPTH. Allan Nonymous (talk) 23:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Look more carfully: Tass is a biased source with respect to topics in which the Russian government may have an interest and it is also generally unreliable for providing contentious facts in that context. But, here, we're not debating the veracity of some claim by the Russian government, or something similar. This is about notability. And Tass, among many other sources, reports that our subject is president of a top sporting organization and has been for a significant number of years, with information about the office and other bureaucratic details - a position which, per se, renders him notable. One can hardly imagine the BLP of any person in charge of a country's (and not a small country's either) top football authority not having a Wikipedia article!

The Associated Press report is but one of the many reports, a lot of which are, as expected, routine, about the doings and sayings of the person in charge of the top Russian football authority, i.e Pryadkin. As to The Guardian report, I'm afraid we'll disagree. I find nothing "shallow" about the Russian footy top honcho claiming in depth on British media that racism in England is worse than racism in Russia. I wonder if you watched it but that's not too important: perpaps if they had a transcript instead you'd see it better. Anyway, the person is famous per sources; not only Wikinotable. -The Gnome (talk) 17:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The subject of significant coverage in Sport RBC, TASS, AP, and has an entire dedicated video from The Guardian. Allan Nonymous mentions that the role at Russian Football Premier League is WP:BLP1E but the individual's role is very well documented, as explained by The Gnome. Coop (talk) 09:13, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MC El Bayadh Bus Crash[edit]

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Reviewed during NPP. Article about a bus crash. No wp:notability per the events SNG or GNG. Also per wp:not news. North8000 (talk) 13:16, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Clearly fails WP:GNG and WP:EVENT. Nagol0929 (talk) 15:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Selective merge a mention that a player and staff died in a bus crash before a match in the main MC El Bayadh article seems fine, but this event has no WP:SUSTAINED coverage and violates WP:NOTNEWS. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:57, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete (however) I believe this can be covered in the two team club pages, and should be added to the 2023–24 Algerian Ligue Professionnelle 1 season page along with 2023–24 in Algerian football if it ever gets created. As that kind of information can effect the team big time involve in this competition. I don't see the need for an independent article. Govvy (talk) 15:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect to MC El Bayadh#History. Giant Snowman 14:21, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pak Chol-jin[edit]

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Article fails WP:GNG. Can only find passing mentions in match reports. Redirect to 2010 World Cup squad. Simione001 (talk) 03:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:05, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He has 36 caps for a senior national team and played in a World Cup. Anwegmann (talk) 00:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Both irrelevant facts. There are no sources which prove notability in sport and as such the article should be redirect to 2010 World Cup squad or deleted. Simione001 (talk) 00:50, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Simione001: I just like to point out that he is listed at both 2011 AFC Asian Cup squads and 2010 FIFA World Cup squads, so redirecting to one or the other would effect the search feature if anyone looks the name up. If deleted with no redirect, people will be able to find his name in both the articles and not be directed to just one. Govvy (talk) 22:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:41, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Odd one because WP:NFOOTBALL has been removed from WP:NSPORT but according to the discussion at WP:NFOOTBALLNEW, Players who have played in, and managers who have managed in, any Tier 1 International Match as defined by FIFA was once the guideline for notability which this article meets. Orange sticker (talk) 11:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Orange sticker: - You are basing your keep vote on a failed proposal. WP:NFOOTBALLNEW was rejected. You mustn't make up your own keep/delete criteria. WP:GNG is very clear. Simione001 (talk) 23:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment not quite, the proposal was to change what was referred to as the current guideline (part I quoted) however all guidelines relating to football seem to have been scrapped for reasons I don't know. Might be a good idea to draftify this and similar stubs until the guidelines are clearer? Orange sticker (talk) 08:06, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:GNG is the only criteria that applies. Its very clear. Simione001 (talk) 08:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Simione001: You've nominated over 100 articles in the past few months and they seem to near-exclusively target those from just North Korea - a much underrepresented country whose sources are very difficult to find / use / etc. This systematic destruction of a nation's football history is rather annoying. Why? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because they are terrible quality articles with next to zero information about the individual. If you actually looked into it, there a quite a few North Korean players which pass WP:GNG so to say this is some kind of systematic destruction of North Korean football is laughable. Simione001 (talk) 23:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sylvan Anderton[edit]

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sportsperson stub. fails general notability guideline. ltb d l (talk) 09:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment – The player appears to have a substantial number of appearances for Reading and Chelsea. I think it's a matter of WP:V. Svartner (talk) 14:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - clearly notable. Over 200 appearances in England's professional football league (verified by the Neil Brown source in the article sas well as sources like this), while a quick Google search brings up things like this and this which clearly indicate historical (read: offline) coverage. A lazy nomination. Giant Snowman 18:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
are those football cards? ltb d l (talk) 12:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...yes? Giant Snowman 07:43, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
football cards aren't reliable sources ltb d l (talk) 11:01, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Has that ever been decided? I'd think if it were by a reputable company it would be reliable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:44, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
that's crazy ltb d l (talk) 06:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Football cards being reliable sources made me literally laugh out loud. AusLondonder (talk) 07:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why wouldn't a reputable card company be reliable? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:01, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
amazing. 10/10. no notes. ltb d l (talk) 06:34, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:40, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At no point have I claimed that football cards are reliable. I was merely suggesting that appearing on football cards - and, if you had bothered to Google him, all the other historical coverage at photo archives etc. - suggests there is coverage out there, which research by others below has supported. Giant Snowman 18:04, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep With the amount of games he played and the clubs he played for seems good enough, combined with GS sources above and probably much more WP:OFFLINESOURCES, this needs improvement for sure. Govvy (talk) 18:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep More than 200 professional appearances for teams with deep, deep histories and legacies. This is very obvious. Clearly notable. Anwegmann (talk) 23:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails GNG and lacks SIGCOV. An actual check of the newspapers.com archive finds nothing but mentions in match reports/transfer stories. He went on to play cricket for Bryant Rose Cricket Club and won the raffle four years in a row there but that is trivial stuff. NFOOTBALL has been depreciated since 2022 so any Keeps based on number of games played must be ignored by the closer. He isn't notable either for playing for some "notable" clubs per NOTINHERITED. Dougal18 (talk) 10:37, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I frequently see editors citing Wikipedia:But there must be sources! in AfDs for footballers with dozens of international caps. I'd like to see the same standard applied to footballers with "over 200 appearances in England's professional football league". How do football cards indicate offline coverage, @GiantSnowman:? As Dougal18 points out so far it has not been demonstrated that SIGCOV exists. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Mostly per Dougal18's reasoning. Footballers are not inherently notable - they need to meet WP:GNG. This is clear community consensus. Simply asserting that an individual played for notable teams is not a suitable AfD argument. If nothing can be found in newspaper archives, then he's not notable. Another point is this is little more than an infobox and a pseudo-biography. AusLondonder (talk) 11:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There seems to be a decent amount of newspaper coverage, although it is mostly brief-ish: see [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40] [41]. An argument could be made for WP:NBASIC, considering he seemed to have significant amount of appearances for prominent clubs. Not sure if that changes anyone's views: @Ltbdl, AusLondonder, Dougal18, and Robby.is.on:? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good research! Giant Snowman 07:44, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per Dougal and AusLondoner. Football cards do not contribute to notability at all, and given passing mentions in match reports don't count towards even BASIC for modern players they shouldn't count for old players either. We don't have a single piece of the required IRS SIGCOV, so we have no valid justification for retaining this article. JoelleJay (talk) 21:07, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment He also has a biographical entry in Chelsea The Complete Record: author: Rick Glanvill isbn: 9781909245303 also mentioned in The Little Book of Reading FC - 1920-2008 author: Alan Sedunary isbn: 9781780913711. There maybe more books with biographical information. Govvy (talk) 13:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Can you tell us what exactly is in those books? Dougal18 (talk) 14:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Glanvill is Chelsea's official historian, he is not an independent source. JoelleJay (talk) 19:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reply @JoelleJay: That's not correct, nor is it proper to discredit him. Will you do the same for Historians who went to Oxford and Cambridge and write about those subjects? He is a published author and a reputable one at that. Please don't use this argument ever again on any credited club historian. Govvy (talk) 22:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He's literally hired by the club to write about club history. Of course he isn't independent. And if a historian is employed by Oxford to write about Oxford history then they aren't independent either. JoelleJay (talk) 16:56, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JoelleJay: Again you really have no idea, the Chelsea book is independent to the club, published by De Coubertin Books deCoubertin Books is a leading independent publisher, which publishes outstanding non-fiction titles predicated on high editorial and production values. We work with some of the biggest names in sport and sportswriting and our books have been nominated for numerous awards. Being hired by a club doesn't make the book published by the club. Also the link provided says he is the club historian, because he is the top of his field in the history for the club, at no time does that post on the Chelsea page say he is hired directly for them. The Reading book is published by Breedon Books Publishing Co Ltd and not Reading Football Club. These are both independent publishers to the clubs. I really don't understand why you feel these are primary sources when they are not remotely so. Govvy (talk) 21:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Being an employee of the club (He has worked for all Chelsea FC's publications and media since 1993 and is the club's official historian.) means the person has a COI with the club, and this applies to material the person publishes through independent publishers (and obviously anything authored by the club would go through an external publisher; it's not like each club has its own book publishing house; the "Official Biography" of Chelsea that he penned ... for the club is through Headline Publishing Group). We'd consider a book authored by a relative of the subject to be non-independent regardless of where it's published; the same applies here. And what part of "the club's official historian", as recorded on the club's website, makes you think he's not working directly for them.....
I didn't say anything about primary sources. I said they are non-independent. JoelleJay (talk) 22:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is like arguing that an 'official biographer' of a celebrity should be discredited...nonsense! Giant Snowman 18:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An official biographer of a celebrity who was hired by that celebrity's talent agency should absolutely be discredited! JoelleJay (talk) 01:11, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Sports cards are reliable sources stat-wise.KatoKungLee (talk) 17:12, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – For the arguments presented so far in the discussion. I see no reason to discredit a club historian, or sports cards, considering that the athlete played in the 50s and 60s. The sources presented by @Govvy demonstrate credibility. Svartner (talk) 21:14, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Credibility of who? Dougal18 (talk) 14:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The authors of mentioned books. Svartner (talk) 15:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So employees of the football club are somehow exempted from the NSPORT guidance saying Team sites and governing sports bodies are not considered independent of their players if they don't publish directly on the website?
The sports cards are completely trivial stats coverage. Why would they count? JoelleJay (talk) 17:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Girabola seasons[edit]

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Per WP:NLIST and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. The list of seasons can already be found in the main article Girabola, another duplicate article being unnecessary. Svartner (talk) 09:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Shouldn't you include everything linked to? Category:Girabola seasons Dream Focus 11:15, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, Svartner doesn't advocate deletion of the individual seasons, just the overarching list - which adds exactly nothing to the category. Geschichte (talk) 16:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly, my question is whether there is a separate list if the main article already includes a list of seasons. Svartner (talk) 20:38, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Its unneeded. also kind of goes against WP:NOTDIRECTORY. The way the article is made, it may as well just be a category page. Shadow311 (talk) 19:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The seasons are listed in the template. If no other information is in the list article, it becomes pointless. Dream Focus 23:24, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep and expand/improve, in-line with List of Premier League seasons etc. This is ~~Morocco's~~ Angola's top football competition. Giant Snowman 18:32, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment (I am at abstained vote here.) This list could be more useful if done right. As GS pointed out we do have them. And @GiantSnowman: this is the Angolan league, not the Moroccan! :/ Govvy (talk) 19:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, getting Girabola mixed up with Botola! Giant Snowman 20:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete without prejudice - at the moment this is a duplicative, unnecessary article, but there's the potential for a better article here if someone wants to create something more detailed. SportingFlyer T·C 20:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Svartner, Shadow311, Dream Focus, Govvy, and SportingFlyer: I have started the process of converting into a proper list a la List of Premier League seasons, just need someone with time and knowledge to help... Giant Snowman 20:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Using RSSSF which lists all the champs... Giant Snowman 20:34, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...and I've just noticed has pages for every individual season, such as 1979, 1980 etc. As such, if you still don't want to keep, please agree to draftify so I can work on it. Giant Snowman 20:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem with draftification, but I do hope it's more comprehensive than just what's on the Girabola page. SportingFlyer T·C 15:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...which it would be if you check my edits to this article... Giant Snowman 20:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a big difference between the Premier League and the Angolan championship. The list of seasons is duplicated, as it is also included in the main article Girabola. Svartner (talk) 00:19, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Girabola#Girabola_participation_details list all the information doesn't it? Dream Focus 02:02, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That section is absolutely incomprehensible! I have deleted. Giant Snowman 20:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I'm with GiantSnowman here. This article needs work, but that is not a reason for deletion, especially if it not an obvious WP:TNT. This article has a lot of potential à la List of Premier League seasons, so it's not a TNT. Anwegmann (talk) 23:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chance Cowell[edit]

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I see this article as WP:TOOSOON, as I can only find substantive coverage from the Carese Courier (three articles) and a few Spanish-language sites about him choosing Mexico over the United States. He is 15 years old, has never played a professional match, and only represents Mexico at the under-15 level. I think this article should be draftified, but I understand if the vote is to keep it. I'm curious what consensus will be on this. Anwegmann (talk) 22:03, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, I found [42], [43], and [44] among many more Spanish and English sources. Young player with ongoing pro and international career (already signed pro contractw ith senior Major League Soccer SJ Earthquakes with many sources already. Should be a clear keep if not a draftify at the very worst. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:00, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As the nom, I'm a bit torn here, as Cowell has never played a pro game and his international career is at the under-15 level. As such, he is not remotely notable as a footballer. I wonder if his current fame, and thus the focus on him, is entirely the result of his brother's success at Chivas and with the United States senior team. I ask myself: Would Chance Cowell be acknowledged at all if his brother wasn't Cade Cowell? And I think the answer is "No, he wouldn't." I think a drafitify is the most appropriate move here, but I nominated the article because I think there's is a fruitful discussion to have. Anwegmann (talk) 23:59, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He has evidently performed well enough for his youth teams to receive a senior professional San Jose Earthquakes contract at the age of fifteen... Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 00:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but that means nothing until he appears for the team. What I'm saying is that this is an example of WP:TOOSOON—the player clearly shows potential of being notable in his own right, and may become independently notable in the future, but as of right now, he's not notable enough to deserve his own article based on three caps for an under-15 national team two years ago and a professional contract, but no appearances, for an MLS club. Almost every source of any substance is predicated on him being Cade Cowell's brother. It's not a wasted article, and your work in creating it is justified, generally. But it needs to be draftified until he can "stand on his own," as it were. Anwegmann (talk) 00:29, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These sources are not new. They were already present when the AFD was created. As such, nothing changes my mind. Giant Snowman 18:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whether he ought to get coverage or not isn't really relevant, he's just getting it. So therefore passes GNG. We shouldn't waste time imagining coverage in a world where his brother isn't Cade. Ortizesp (talk) 16:32, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:YOUNGATH appears to disagree with your reasoning—coverage as individuals that is not local or routine. Almost all English-language coverage is local from his hometown and a large portion of the cited Spanish-language sources are game play summaries, and thus are WP:ROUTINE. By your logic, if they had a random sister who got coverage because she's their sister, she deserves an article. Anwegmann (talk) 22:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 02:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The sources mentioned above fail YOUNGATH, and additionally do not establish him as notable independent of his brother. JoelleJay (talk) 00:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, clearly passes GNG with significant coverage.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:TOOSOON and WP:BLP, even if assuming that he passes WP:BARE, we always err on the side of deleting the articles of kids who are actors or athletes, until they are at least 17 or 18. I do not oppose a userfication. Bearian (talk) 14:33, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I looked up to see if he actually did have a professional contract as I could have sworn 16 was the age limit for professionalism under FIFA rules (or that California had child labour rules). The Ceres Courier source does say that. But what exactly is so remarkable about this? He's 15 and playing for an academy and an under-15 national team. How many other kids are doing that? I think we should only have articles about youth players who are doing something extraordinary, like Da'vian Kimbrough actually playing a pro game at 13 - for a team that Chance Cowell didn't do so at. I think some on football Wikipedia are currently stretching WP:GNG with younger relatives of footballers, who get a lot of cheap filler coverage but haven't done anything in their own right. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:13, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify or merge with Cade_Cowell#Personal_life. He likely will be notable, but he isn't now as it's too soon. Either outcome preserves the history for a spinout when he does meet the criteria. Star Mississippi 00:30, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Per WP:TOOSOON Claire 26 (talk) 01:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would most likely say to draftify this article so it can be improved by the person who created it. Also as per WP:TOOSOON. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 10:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Estádio Arena do Município Verde[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG, notability is not inherited per WP:NARENA and WP:NBUILDING. Nagol0929 (talk) 12:11, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Paragominas Futebol Clube. Svartner (talk) 16:38, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep It does pass GNG, as you'd expect from a 10.000 seat stadium, but the article needs to be improved. See Portuguese page and [45] [46] [47] SportingFlyer T·C 20:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2020–21 Deportivo de La Coruña season[edit]

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Not playing in professional division, does not appear to meet WP:SIGCOV under WP:GNG. Already deleted for same reasons in 2020. Crowsus (talk) 15:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – Even though they are in a lower division in the season in question, Deportivo La Coruña's notability is undoubted. Svartner (talk) 18:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete as per last AFD. Giant Snowman 20:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree with Svartner. Continuity in the coverage of a historically professional team is important in an encyclopedia. Anwegmann (talk) 21:51, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Even know they are a notable club doesn't mean their seasons qualify under the SNG WP:NSEASONS, they are too far down the ladder now. So delete per notability on the season. Govvy (talk) 21:53, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - This season is very notable because of the nature of it and the circumstances regarding the club at this time, as it entered a new era. - Cr7s 190.153.84.93 (talk) 02:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Beni Ebeid Stadium[edit]

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No refs on the page for many years. Not seeing much which could be included however the sources may not be in English. JMWt (talk) 11:16, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. No located sources.

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Redirect to Beni Ebeid SC as ATD. Definitely not notable. Mccapra (talk) 16:09, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge and redirect to Beni Ebeid, the town it's in. The stadium isn't owned by the football club, they just operate there. The football club Beni Ebeid SC also needs to be merged into the town article. As it doesn't pass WP:SIGCOV, WP:GNG. Govvy (talk) 10:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Beni Ebeid SC as above; not even mentioned at the town article. Giant Snowman 19:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I sent Beni Ebeid SC to AfD, so now it's an inappropriate target! And it is mentioned in the town article now! :/ Govvy (talk) 10:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I think it needs fixing rather than deletion! Similar to what I've done to Beni Ebeid SC, I'll update this article one with new content in the nearest possible time. Ben5218 (talk) 14:37, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I've updated the article and added references. It's still a stub, but I think that's enough to keep it. Thoughts, everyone? @GiantSnowman, @Govvy, @Mccapra, @JayCubby.
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Comment thanks for finding these Ben5218 but a Facebook post and two pieces of coverage saying the name of the stadium is changing don’t make it notable. I still a merge and redirect to either the club or the town is best. Mccapra (talk) 14:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. Giant Snowman 17:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That Facebook post contains a video discussing the stadium's and club's history, though, and only one reference covers the name change, not two. Since my last comment here, another four references were added (I can find and add more easily, if needed), and I also added more content. This topic definitely passes WP:GNG now, in my opinion. Ben5218 (talk) 18:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep per the sources currently in the article. Decent enough coverage about an Egyptian topic. Geschichte (talk) 08:13, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Sources are one line mentions or unreliable. And I think I've been cyber attacked by one of the sources I clicked on.Tamsier (talk) 02:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Golf[edit]

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Golf Australia Magazine[edit]

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No indication this meets WP:GNG. Sources provided are primary/promotional in nature. Most substantial source I have been able to locate is this brief fluff interview with the editor. Triptothecottage (talk) 04:09, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I have performed some searches earlier with the same result. It is very strange that one of the few remaining golf magazines in a large country does not appear to generate much in terms of independent sources describing it (I even checked press in the National Library). --Викидим (talk) 00:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ice hockey[edit]

Liverpool Privateers[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Unlikely to become notable, if the team is defunct. Unsourced (though I know that's probably fixable). Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 11:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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St Andrews Typhoons[edit]

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Lacking in-depth secondary source coverage to meet the general notability guideline. Seen at NPP, moved to draftspace to allow for improvement but reverted by creator. AusLondonder (talk) 18:13, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I didn't realize I reverted an initial draftspace sending, I was just editing over time. What sort of sources should I add to make more credibility? There's only a few sources (university, BUIHA and the team's website) I found out to use. Should I improve in the drafter before releasing or try to expand on the existing page? Fastfads (talk) 18:28, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They would have to be "significant coverage" to the subject, from secondary sources from multiple reputable media outlets. If such coverage doesn't exist, or consists of simple scores/stats or namedrops, an article cannot be sustained. My vote is to Redirect to the University of St Andrews article if no such sources are proffered. Ravenswing 08:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Fastfads, firstly can I say this nomination is not a reflection on your work. Wikipedia does however have requirements articles must meet to demonstrate suitability for inclusion, most importantly the general notability guideline. Please take a look at the guideline for the kind of sources we require. Thanks, AusLondonder (talk) 16:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've done a bit of research into the guidelines (thank you @AusLondonder and @Ravenswing for the advice and links - I see that the editorial standards of Wikipedia are higher than what was told to me in school) and spent a lot of time updating the page to what I believe would be above the minimum amount of content to reach the guidelines of general notability - and have found quite a bit of new information about the team along the way.

Point #1: One of the main problems was a lack of secondary sources as I was mainly using the main page of the BUIHA and the team's page at phoons.net - I've now done a significant amount of research into the team and have found a ton of new information about the team entirely from secondary sources ranging from the local student newspaper to the national newspapers (BBC). There even is a video from 2014 which was someone's TV reel that gave a ton of information about the team, including interviews with the founders of the club. There's now a lot more secondary sources on there.

Point #2: Relative to other team pages in the BUIHA (and to applications of the guidelines in general), the Typhoons are a strong pick to have their own page. Take, for example, the London Dragons which was originally my template for the start of this article. The entire page is summary, roster, awards, retired numbers and what universities are involved. The sources are all the University page, the website and the BUIHA website. Yet, I agree with Wikipedia's editors that as it remains up, it's a worthy article to keep in place in the history of British ice hockey even if it may need more sources as the note shows. While other pages like Oxford University Ice Hockey Club carries far more history and therefore sources, I find it exceptional to compare a team founded in 2011 to the team page of the most historic ice hockey club in Europe. Despite being founded so recently, they still have a shockingly deep history to the team, which brings me to the next point.

Point #3: The Typhoons are an notable and important subject in British university ice hockey as well as in the University of St Andrews culture and history. When I started this, I figured I'd make another team page to fill one of the missing spots on the BUIHA teams list. Yet thanks to the pressure for secondary sources, I found this team is extremely notable in university life in St Andrews - and has an extremely interesting (albeit tragic history). According to University of St Andrews, there are 11,280 students at the school right now, so there is on record just under 15% of the entire school (1500 people) attending Jonny Wookey Memorial Game. While it may not have the historical importance of something like Ice Hockey Varsity Match, attendance that high shows it is a huge event for the students of St Andrews and Scotland as a whole. The only one that seems to even come close in St Andrews would be The Scottish Varsity. Considering the difference in popularity between ice hockey and rugby in Scotland, the fact that the number of people interested is this close is an interesting fact in itself. The game is worth archiving on its own but is especially worth inclusion within the context of a team page that is so important in university ice hockey as they won the championship just 2 years ago.

Point #4: There is still significantly more content to go through. All of the sources I have posted have been from "official" newspapers and sources online, but I have not gone through the years of articles on the experience and history written by the St Andrews student newspaper "The Saint". Even right now on their front page is a new article about the experience at Jonny Wookey this year where they lost. I'm pretty busy right now (I fit in the edits and this piece in a bit of free time) but by Friday I should have a complete page with all secondary sources out there - and a pretty perfect page for Wikipedia if you allow it to stay up.

With all of this, I feel there is plenty of evidence that this article is suitable for conclusion and meets the general notability guideline. Please check out the original article with the new additions. I hope these changes (and new sources) will convince you that this article is worth inclusion. As for me, I'm going to keep working on this page when I have time and I'll be voting Keep for this page. Fastfads (talk) 20:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect. Sources are exclusively non-independent (websites of BUIHA, Phoons, St Andrews, and St Andrews student newspapers) or fail NOTNEWS (news reports on a missing student). JoelleJay (talk) 01:55, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Genesis Health Clubs - Orlando Sportsplex[edit]

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Only mention in independent sources I can find are local papers discussing the facility's 2022 sale. Seems to fail WP:NORG. funplussmart (talk) 23:56, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There appears to have been regular mentions of "RDV Sportsplex" in local news but I can't find anything beyond the usual namechecks. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Findlay Warriors[edit]

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No evidence of notability, no indepth references about the team, apparently unknown whether they even played a full season, and claims about becoming the Dayton Jets unsourced and unverifiable[48]. Fram (talk) 11:58, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I've added references to the page. The claim of them becoming the Dayton Jets comes from the main page Continental Hockey League (1972–1986) though where that was sourced from, or if its even accurate, I don't know.PensRule11385 (talk) 12:16, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect: The added references don't support the notability of the subject, and it is very hard even to argue in favor of notability if there aren't even sources verifying the team's record. This should be redirected to the main Continental league article. Ravenswing 12:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - team record was in the Decatur paper. Received decent amount of coverage in it. I’ve looked at it before, but can’t now as newspapers.com is temporarily inaccessible through the Wikipedia Library. --Hockeyben ^{(talk -} ^contribs) 22:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would be happy to shift my view to keeping if actual sources providing significant coverage are cited. Ravenswing 18:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Martial arts[edit]

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Tiger Reth[edit]

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Not yet notable per WP:NACTOR or WP:NSPORT, all film roles appear to have been minor roles so far. He's been in teams of several performers at the openings of national sports events, but this doesn't bring him over the line for WP:GNG or WP:BIO. Couldn't find any significant secondary coverage of him in English or Khmer, just passing mentions and social media. Declined three times at draft. Wikishovel (talk) 15:17, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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hello sir Tiger Reth he is an actor, martial artist he play his role around more than 10 film the international film has 2 ( First they kill my father and jailbreak ) and now he is filming upcoming international film in cambodia( Phnom Penh Ground Zero ), You can check film list in tiger reth page wikipedia.

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Robert McGee[edit]

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I'm usually sympathetic to pages on perpetual students but I couldn't find enough reliable sources for this person besides that he got a bunch of degrees and is a professor. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 18:57, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Interesting human interest story and I'm amazed he hasn't been featured in NPR or something... I don't see anything we'd use, no news coverage, nothing, for sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 00:12, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Other than mentions of his degrees and being a professor, I cannot find anything to convince GNG.-- Tumbuka Arch (talk) 11:33, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Independent sigcov appears in the Fayetteville Observer (more, book review) and Miami Herald (cont., later). His Google Scholar may suggest an NPROF pass too but I don't know the field well enough. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 14:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- I think the multiple sources with SIGCOV provided by Hameltion are enough for a GNG pass. JTtheOG (talk) 02:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carlos Pesina[edit]

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Unreferenced article. No pre or post-wiki sig coverage. Being on the crew in a lot of video games does not automatically inherit notability. Wikipedia Library, Newspapers.com, and current Google search results in hardly any in-depth sig coverage. Passings mentions/brief coverage I could find from major pubs: 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7- do not help passing GNG. X (talk) 10:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed deletions[edit]

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Motorsport[edit]

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Kenji Tohira[edit]

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A Japanese racing driver. Page fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Doesn't have much beyond when he was born and died, and some scores. BlakeIsHereStudios (talk | contributions) 18:48, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Katsunori Iketani[edit]

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fails general notability guideline. current sources in article are databases. search only finds other databases and this, which spells his name 2 different ways...? ltb d l (talk) 07:18, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep Weak because article creator or editors could've done more such as add results rather than leave it a single sentence stub article. Japanese Wikipedia hints that he may was a driver of a national level but like this, does not provide context too. Digging further, looking at his result database on JAF (source), he may as well pass criteria 4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT as he had some sucesses in top level national racing. A selection of highlights in his career as below.

A class win at the 1995 All Japan Grand Touring Car Championship
A top 5 season finish at the 1996 All Japan Grand Touring Car Championship
Throughout that decade, he made consistent appearances.

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Yet the Japanese article has the same sources as the English one – the article can't be kept on race results alone, there needs to be some independent, substantive coverage. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 02:28, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rugby league[edit]

Aidan Burrell[edit]

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP; subject made one pro appearance. I found a couple sentences of coverage here and not much else. Fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 19:02, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Challenge Cup semi final[edit]

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Apparently I have to use AfD for this: I think this article should be moved to draftspace as it as the potential to be a good article similar to FA Cup semi-finals. However it is currently incomplete, unreferenced, and is not fit for the mainspace. Mn1548 (talk) 15:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: This page has been unreferenced since its creation in 2016. It's more likely that, if sent to draft space, it ends up being G13 deleted in 6 months time anyways. I'd prefer the matter of this get addressed here instead of being draftified and deleted in 6 months. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Siviwe Mpondo[edit]

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. Article was previously nominated in a WP:BUNDLE, which was closed as a procedural keep. JTtheOG (talk) 19:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Amature player with minimal coverage. Mn1548 (talk) 13:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Khalil Rahme[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an Australian rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG. Participation-based SNGs were deprecated in 2022 and BLPs require strong sourcing. JTtheOG (talk) 20:55, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: World Cup quarter finalist, several references (though more needed), suggesting player has had/having a career in Australia's first and second tier. Article needs expansion. Mn1548 (talk) 16:20, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Played at the RLWC, nine sources, every line sourced.Fleets (talk) 16:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Any WP:SIGCOV? JTtheOG (talk) 22:56, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mitchell Mamary[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an Australian rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG. Participation-based SNGs were deprecated in 2022 and BLPs require strong sourcing. JTtheOG (talk) 20:49, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Though he his semi pro with international caps, references given don't appear to suggest his career is notable, thus finding refs is unlikely. Mn1548 (talk) 16:23, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Christo Joubert[edit]

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am having a hard time finding anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 20:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Amature player with minimal coverage. Mn1548 (talk) 16:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stevie Meyer[edit]

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Rugby BLP that fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 20:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Amature player with minimal coverage. Mn1548 (talk) 16:15, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johan Fritz[edit]

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, a South African rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 21:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Marcelle Slabbert[edit]

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, a South African rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 20:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Amature player with minimal coverage. Mn1548 (talk) 13:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Glen Horton[edit]

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Non-notable rugby player, fails WP:SPORTCRIT. LegalSmeagolian (talk) 19:39, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Meets WP:SPORTCRIT: see here, here, and here. He played in the New Zealand Māori team that won the 2008 IRB Pacific Nations Cup. He made 79 appearances for Hawke's Bay, Otago, and Southland in provincial rugby, 21 appearances for the Highlanders in Super Rugby, played 5 matches for NZ under-21, and 4 for New Zealand Māori. 01:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC) Paora (talk) 01:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Think there's just about enough here for a WP:GNG pass, given that there is more than likely similar offline coverage in local NZ media from when he played. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blair Kurtz[edit]

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Played only 3 first grade games. Only sources provided are primary. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 05:23, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Most sources are databases or primary sources. Unless more references can be found current coverage isn't sufficient. Mn1548 (talk) 13:14, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Karl Filiga[edit]

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His first grade career was a mere 11 minutes in total. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 05:21, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Article has several secondary sources, and by the looks of what is written, he went on to have a career in Australia's second tier. Don't think failing in the NRL is sounds to be classEd as not notable. Article could probably be expanded. Mn1548 (talk) 13:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mitch Cahalane[edit]

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, an Australian rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I really found were transactional announcements (2015, 2017). JTtheOG (talk) 20:13, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Undecided: Can't imagine a player with 93 appearances for one club and had apparently played for others has so little written about him. Should be expanded, but currently not sufficient coverage. Mn1548 (talk) 16:21, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SPORTBASIC. Unable to find anything other than routine coverage. J Mo 101 (talk) 16:51, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Riaan Engelbrecht[edit]

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, a South African rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Not to be confused with the author of the same name. JTtheOG (talk) 19:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Amature player with minimal coverage. Mn1548 (talk) 16:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mike Parenti[edit]

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, a French rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The best I could find was this from Treize Mondial, which is only a couple of sentences. JTtheOG (talk) 19:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - pro footballer who played in the Super League, sourced.Fleets (talk) 07:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Undecided: Playes for Catalans and there should be more written about him. Should be expanded, but currently not sufficient coverage. Mn1548 (talk) 16:29, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No significant coverage. Fails WP:SPORTBASIC. J Mo 101 (talk) 11:43, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Robin Brochon[edit]

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of the subject, a French rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. It's possible I missed something, as Google had a good amount of hits, but really all that came up were interviews (1, 2) and post-match quotes (1, 2). JTtheOG (talk) 19:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Professional footballer who made his Super League debut in 2018, and has made dozens of appearances for another professional club in France.Fleets (talk) 09:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fleets, this !vote rationale is invalid, as participation-based athlete criteria were deprecated 2 years ago and the existing requirement that athletes meet GNG was strengthened to require at least one SIGCOV IRS source be cited in the article from the start. JoelleJay (talk) 21:58, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Per JT, news items would be the very least to qualify as RSs. Tony (talk) 11:01, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Coverage is routine or primary/nonindependent in addition to being trivial. JoelleJay (talk) 21:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Undecided: Played for Catalans and Toulouse and there should be more written about him. Should be expanded, but currently not sufficient coverage. Mn1548 (talk) 16:29, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rugby League XIII[edit]

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Page has a single reference which is an error 404, context is minimal, and the article is missing anything the team actually did, fails WP:GNG Mn1548 (talk) 15:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Rugby Football League. Not enough content to justify a stand-alone article in its current state, but it's a plausible search term as the team played several fixtures in the previous century against national teams such as Australia and France. J Mo 101 (talk) 17:30, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maxime Jobe[edit]

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of the subject, a French rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 19:49, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - professional footballer who played at the elite level, multiple sources to prove that fact.Fleets (talk) 10:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SPORTBASIC. J Mo 101 (talk) 11:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No evidence of IRS SIGCOV, which is required to be cited in the article for all sportspeople. JoelleJay (talk) 21:12, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Undecided (leaning keep/move to draft): Young Catalans player and will likely have more coverage later in his career. Should be expanded, but currently not sufficient coverage. Mn1548 (talk) 16:31, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So you agree that there is not sufficient coverage? JTtheOG (talk) 22:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

McKenzie Buckley[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an English rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 18:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the folllowing article as he is a member of the same team (St Helens R.F.C.) who also fails to meet WP:SPORTBASIC:

Ben Lane (rugby league) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 01:54, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Professional rugby league footballer who has played football at the elite level. 5 sources related to his football career.Fleets (talk) 17:06, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails WP:SPORTBASIC. J Mo 101 (talk) 11:37, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Doesn't appear as if he is currently playing, one pro aperance isn't sufficient. Mn1548 (talk) 16:35, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Only routine coverage aka signings and game reports, WP:SPORTBASIC. Other keep votes here should be discounted for making no mention of source depth. BrigadierG (talk) 01:25, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - Five sources, even if none of them are specific to the subject, and the fact that most other team members have their own articles as well. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 01:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GNG requires in-depth coverage. Mere mentions in sources do not suffice. JTtheOG (talk) 01:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm well aware, but if you want to be strict with that an AFD should be made for George Delaney, Ben Lane (rugby league), and other members of the St. Helens team as many only have passing or list mentions.

Buckley and others have their only specific mention on the rugby league project website, which isn't very in-depth as you said. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 01:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, yes they should. If you fling 100 non-notable stubs onto Wikipedia, you can't then also defend them from deletion by pointing out that the other 99 still exist. BrigadierG (talk) 01:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bundled the two others I mentioned who fall under the same deletion criteria with this AFD. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 01:55, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did you do a WP:BEFORE search? Articles should probably be nominated individually anyways, which I was reminded of two days ago. JTtheOG (talk) 02:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, though looking at that previous AFD I'll retract the nomination for Delaney for now as he seems to have slightly more content than the other two, though still nothing in-depth. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 02:22, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You need to use the additional nominations template or else it messes up the closure process. BrigadierG (talk) 02:26, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's there right below the initial nomination. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 02:35, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, I was also unable to find any coverage of Ben Lane. JTtheOG (talk) 03:11, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bastien Scimone[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a French rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. I found plenty of trivial mentions, both in English (The Yorkshire Post, Sky Sports, Warrington Guardian) and French (Le Petit Journal, L'Indépendant, La Dépêche), but nothing approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 19:43, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - French international rugby league footballer who has played as a professional in the Super League for the Catalans Dragons on a number of occasions. Additionally as per the cited sources has played as a professional for Toulouse Olympique and at international level for France B, as well as the full national side.Fleets (talk) 14:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have you got any WP:SIGCOV? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep/Move to draft: Young Catalans player, will likely have more written about him in the future. Mn1548 (talk) 16:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Josh Maree[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an Australian rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 19:09, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Rugby League footballer who played for Lebanon at the Rugby League World. 8 sources.Fleets (talk) 20:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The quality of the sources has to be addressed. Geschichte (talk) 06:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirecting to 2021 Men's Rugby League World Cup squads is an WP:ATD. On that page, one will find his club and cap count at the time (I don't know why rugby doesn't put DoB as well, like football squads). @JTtheOG, note that several other of the Lebanese 2021 World Cup pages are of the exact same build as Josh Maree. Geschichte (talk) 06:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Played in a team that got to a WC QF, nothing is written about his club career, needs expansion. Mn1548 (talk) 16:39, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per above. No evidence of the requisite GNG coverage, merely playing in some league does not meet any notability criterion. JoelleJay (talk) 01:48, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jensen Monk[edit]

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, an English rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Draftification would be an option, but this is a re-creation of an existing draft. JTtheOG (talk) 01:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Professional rugby league footballer who made his professional debut in 2023, played the other day against fellow top level side Warrington in the Challenge Cup. Multiple sources within the article.Fleets (talk) 19:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Sources 1 and 2 are stats databases, while the next four are trivial mentions of the subject. BLPs require strong sourcing, which is why I draftified it the first time. JTtheOG (talk) 20:41, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Currently playing in the top tier with five appearances and will likely gain more. Currently borderline on notability for me but will likely be recreated if deleated. Mn1548 (talk) 16:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. He might be notable in the future but that would be speculating. Re-create if and when he plays a few more games and more sources are likely to exist. J Mo 101 (talk) 17:36, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Sources are exclusively namedrops, zero coverage here. Arguments to keep based only on his appearing in a particular league are strictly invalid per SPORTSBASIC. JoelleJay (talk) 23:17, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of London Broncos players. Fails GNG as there is no SIGCOV. References are routine coverage and stats databases. Frank Anchor 01:22, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - two further news sources added referencing academy days, move into first team, and first appearance of the 2024 season.Fleets (talk) 11:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Young player, will likely have more written in the near future, 8 refs already. Mn1548 (talk) 16:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please refrain from repeating your !vote on a new bulleted line. Thank you. JTtheOG (talk) 23:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@J Mo 101: @JoelleJay: Would y'all consider a redirect to List of London Broncos players to be a better alternative? JTtheOG (talk) 02:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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