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If we have a difference of opinion, I'm open to discussing it if the issue is meaningful, significant and worth my time. I ignore comments containing hyperbole, profanity, nonsense, attacks, and attitudes/behaviors I personally find offensive; I also ignore ones that I don't think are worth the time to respond. If you do not like this, click here. I have very strong feelings about the importance of notability, policies and guidelines, sources and evidence. Best wishes from Los Angeles, // Timothy :: talk |
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Inexplicable[edit]
You have in this edit linked WP:ONUS to justify the *addition* of content to an article. Were you confused about whether you were removing text instead? 100.36.106.199 (talk) 12:41, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- A quick look at the article history shows the above is incorrect.[1],[2],[3] The article has been restored to the stable consensus version which existed before the dispute arose.
- Gain WP:CONSENSUS per WP:ONUS for any change. For additional information, read WP:BRD. Further questions about Wikipedia guidelines and policies can be answered at WP:TEAHOUSE. // Timothy :: talk 14:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Have you read WP:ONUS? It refers to the onus for inclusion of disputed material exclusively, ergo it cannot possibly be used as an explanation for inclusion. After you have read it, I will happily accept your apology on this point, and then be willing to consider your (unrelated) suggestion that I am wrong about the history of the page. 100.36.106.199 (talk) 18:22, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- This is not a subject up for discussion. Per WP:ONUS, "the responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." Further questions can be answered at the WP:TEAHOUSE or if you're feeling particularly foolish you know your way to WP:ANI. // Timothy :: talk 19:24, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Let me help you: "the responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." The policy section ONUS is explicitly asymmetric: it puts an onus on those who want to include content only, not on those who want to remove it. As I was not seeking to include disputed content, it cannot possibly be a valid explanation for reverting my edit. Be a decent human being and apologize for your (now thrice repeated) error. 100.36.106.199 (talk) 00:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Astonishing. Too bad WP:Don't be a dick isn’t a thing any more. 100.36.106.199 (talk) 12:01, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Let me help you: "the responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." The policy section ONUS is explicitly asymmetric: it puts an onus on those who want to include content only, not on those who want to remove it. As I was not seeking to include disputed content, it cannot possibly be a valid explanation for reverting my edit. Be a decent human being and apologize for your (now thrice repeated) error. 100.36.106.199 (talk) 00:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- This is not a subject up for discussion. Per WP:ONUS, "the responsibility for achieving consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." Further questions can be answered at the WP:TEAHOUSE or if you're feeling particularly foolish you know your way to WP:ANI. // Timothy :: talk 19:24, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
- Have you read WP:ONUS? It refers to the onus for inclusion of disputed material exclusively, ergo it cannot possibly be used as an explanation for inclusion. After you have read it, I will happily accept your apology on this point, and then be willing to consider your (unrelated) suggestion that I am wrong about the history of the page. 100.36.106.199 (talk) 18:22, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
Why israel?[edit]
Just curious Natieboi (talk) 15:04, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Because Israel is fighting the same Russian sponsored terror coalition that Ukraine and the rest of the free world is fighting. // Timothy :: talk 00:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
The lack of sources for editing the Khatyn Massacre[edit]
I am the source, since I am about 90 years old and I lived in those areas at that time. Wikipedia says that anyone can edit - but apparently not the witnesses. You apparently expect the German and Soviet bandits to doccument their genocidal actions and preserve those documents in the public libraries. The only published fact of that kind was Hitler's order to his generals several days before the planned attack, beginning WW2: "Be cruel! Be more cruel than your neighbour in action! I will shoot everyone who utters a word against this order." In the USSR the secrecy was general and overwhelming, so issuing such orders was not needed; the results were obtained by killing those officers who failed to guess properly. You probably want documents for this as well; don't you? When the Russia's President Yeltzin allowed publis access to the Russian documents of the Katyn (not Khatyn) Massacre, the British Government asked him to stop that since some of the facts could be unpleasant for the UK; Nr. Yeltzin complied. Please read books by Wiktor Suvorov , "Aquarium" in the first olace. 142.129.131.22 (talk) 03:45, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
- For information on sourcing guidelines, see WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:CITE. For verification policy, see WP:V, and WP:BURDEN and WP:CONSENSUS for guidelines on editing content. // Timothy :: talk 04:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
This week's article for improvement (week 14, 2024)[edit]
Hello, TimothyBlue. The article for improvement of the week is:
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Administrators' newsletter – April 2024[edit]
News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2024).
- An RfC is open to convert all current and future community discretionary sanctions to (community designated) contentious topics procedure.
- The Toolforge Grid Engine services have been shut down after the final migration process from Grid Engine to Kubernetes. (T313405)
- An arbitration case has been opened to look into "the intersection of managing conflict of interest editing with the harassment (outing) policy".
- Editors are invited to sign up for The Core Contest, an initiative running from April 15 to May 31, which aims to improve vital and other core articles on Wikipedia.
Tech News: 2024-14[edit]
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- The Wikimedia Foundation has an annual plan. The annual plan decides what the Wikimedia Foundation will work on. You can now read the draft key results for the Product and Technology department. They are suggestions for what results the Foundation wants from big technical changes from July 2024 to June 2025. You can comment on the talk page.
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Restored Incorrect Version[edit]
Yeah that's just what I thought, good thing that the edit history of both pages is available for anyone to see
New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024[edit]
Hello TimothyBlue,
Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.
Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to JTtheOG, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.
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The Bugle: Issue 216, April 2024[edit]
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Tech News: 2024-15[edit]
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Recent changes
- Web browsers can use tools called extensions. There is now a Chrome extension called Citation Needed which you can use to see if an online statement is supported by a Wikipedia article. This is a small experiment to see if Wikipedia can be used this way. Because it is a small experiment, it can only be used in Chrome in English.
- A new Edit Recovery feature has been added to all wikis, available as a user preference. Once you enable it, your in-progress edits will be stored in your web browser, and if you accidentally close an editing window or your browser or computer crashes, you will be prompted to recover the unpublished text. Please leave any feedback on the project talk page. This was the #8 wish in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey.
- Initial results of Edit check experiments have been published. Edit Check is now deployed as a default feature at the wikis that tested it. Let us know if you want your wiki to be part of the next deployment of Edit check. [7][8]
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- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 April. It will be on all wikis from 11 April (calendar). [10][11]
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Turkish coffee[edit]
It seems we both may be re-writing the History section at the same time. It would be a pity to duplicate efforts; would you like to collaborate? FYI it's in my sandbox: User:Ttocserp/sandboxTtocserp 01:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, but I should decline; you seem to be developing a well sourced history section which will improve the article. I requested page protection to deal with the IP issues and will continue to watch the page for problems. My main concern is nationalist editing by IPs/new accounts.
- Greetings and well wishes from Los Angeles, // Timothy :: talk 21:28, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Guild of Copy Editors April 2024 Newsletter[edit]
Guild of Copy Editors April 2024 Newsletter
Hello and welcome to the April 2024 newsletter, a quarterly digest of Guild activities since December. Don't forget you can unsubscribe at any time; see below. We extend a warm welcome to all of our new members. We wish you all happy copy-editing. Election results: In our December 2023 coordinator election, Zippybonzo stepped down as coordinator; we thank them for their service. Incumbents Dhtwiki and Miniapolis were reelected coordinators, and Wracking was newly elected coordinator, to serve through 30 June. Nominations for our mid-year Election of Coordinators will open on 1 June (UTC). Drive: 46 editors signed up for our January Backlog Elimination Drive, 32 of whom claimed at least one copy-edit. Between them, they copy-edited 289 articles totaling 626,729 words. Barnstars awarded are here. Blitz: 23 editors signed up for our February Copy Editing Blitz. 18 claimed at least one copy-edit and between them, they copy-edited 100,293 words in 32 articles. Barnstars awarded are here. Drive: 53 editors signed up for our March Backlog Elimination Drive, 34 of whom claimed at least one copy-edit. Between them, they copy-edited 300 articles totaling 587,828 words. Barnstars awarded are here. Blitz: Sign up for our April Copy Editing Blitz, which runs from 14 to 20 April. Barnstars will be awarded here. Progress report: As of 23:17, 11 April 2024 (UTC), GOCE copyeditors have processed 109 requests since 1 January 2024, and the backlog stands at 2,480 articles. Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from Baffle gab1978 and your GOCE coordinators Dhtwiki, Miniapolis and Wracking. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.
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Request[edit]
Could you please articulate within the ANI thread you started, the reasons why you believe my recent statements to another editor amounted to a personal attack?
Another editor has questioned your assessment, and I think it would assist in resolving the thread if you were to provide a response to their question Jack4576 (talk) 09:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- The diffs speak for themselves, experienced editors do not need any additional explanation. // Timothy :: talk 10:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Might I suggest you have fallen into the trap of the ‘no true experienced editor’ fallacy Jack4576 (talk) 11:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- I’m an experienced editor, and the other commenter I referred to is an experienced editor; neither of us view it as a personal attack. The diffs do not speak for themselves. They merely display the polite and appropriate way I tend to go about speaking uncomfortable truths about systemic racism. Jack4576 (talk) 11:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
This week's article for improvement (week 16, 2024)[edit]
Hello, TimothyBlue. The article for improvement of the week is:
Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Fire safety • Jean Gabin Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 15 April 2024 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • |
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Tech News: 2024-16[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- Between 2 April and 8 April, on wikis using Flagged Revisions, the "Reverted" tag was not applied to undone edits. In addition, page moves, protections and imports were not autoreviewed. This problem is now fixed. [13][14]
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- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 April. It will be on all wikis from 18 April (calendar). [15][16]
- Default category sort keys will now affect categories added by templates placed in footnotes. Previously footnotes used the page title as the default sort key even if a different default sort key was specified (category-specific sort keys already worked). [17]
- A new variable
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New page patrol May 2024 Backlog drive[edit]
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Re:Editing other users comments[edit]
I overdid slightly here - sorry.
But I'm not breaking any rules - I have a different style of responding to comments in the discussion, which is not against the rules. For some reason you can't accept it and you only get outraged, and made our previours disscusion pointless. Szturnek¿? 20:20, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
This week's article for improvement (week 17, 2024)[edit]
Hello, TimothyBlue. The article for improvement of the week is:
Please be bold and help improve it! Previous selections: Antarctic • Fire safety Get involved with the AFI project: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:05, 22 April 2024 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject AFI • |
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Tech News: 2024-17[edit]
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- Starting this week, newcomers editing Wikipedia will be encouraged to try structured tasks. Structured tasks have been shown to improve newcomer activation and retention. [20]
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- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 23 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 24 April. It will be on all wikis from 25 April (calendar). [21][22]
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Books & Bytes – Issue 62[edit]
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Sir why did you delete this article[edit]
Sir I was working on this article but you deleted this article. I was providing source link in this article. Can discuss about this article please Xa45b (talk) 14:35, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
can we restart the discussion about this article "Reliance Global Corporate Security"[edit]
can we restart the discussion about this topic. I think article need a chance. can have found some important links related to this article Xa45b (talk) 14:49, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- You need to open a discussion on the talk page at Talk:Reliance Global Corporate Security. If a consensus of experienced editors (not single topic promotional editors) finds that the new sources you provide meet WP:V, WP:IS, WP:RS and meet WP:N notability requirements by addressing the subject (not something associated with the subject) 'directly and indepth; you will also need to convince the community that the subject is not a WP:CFORK unneeded content fork of the main article.
- As this was the result of a community discussion, this needs to happen before you remove the redirect. // Timothy :: talk 14:58, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Sir can discuss this topic in talk page of reliance Global Corporate Security[edit]
Sir can discuss this topic in talk page of reliance Global Corporate Security Xa45b (talk) 16:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Xa45b: The discussion is over and the article has been rejected.
- At this point the article has been reviewed multiple times in multiple forums with the same consensus. It does not meet Wikipedia's guidelines for notability, and I and others believe it to be a promotional article with spam references.
- Since you continue to disrupt Wikipedia with this, I have requested that the page be locked (protected) to prevent further disruption.
- You have also been spamming multiple talk pages with the same request. WP:FORUMSHOPPING is not allowed.
- If you choose to continue, you and the IPs associated with this account may be blocked. // Timothy :: talk 17:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Request for removing the delete tag from the article Bir Uttam Shaheed Samad School and College[edit]
Hello @TimothyBlue Sir,
This is a official paid work by the institution and I have made by the institution order and this article represents a college in bangladesh. It is not a fake article. If anyone has trouble to believe it then you can visit the official website of the college and you can also check the Bengali Wikipedia, the college also has an article in the Bengali Wikipedia. The institution offered me to make an English article of it. So I think It should not be deleted from wikipedia. This article is made with real sources.
Sir please take back the delete tag.
-Thank you Ahsan26 (talk) 05:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
What are outlines good for?[edit]
Timothy,
There seems to be ignorance and confusion at AfDs, and in general discussions, as to the purposes of outlines. Like, what they are for, how they are used, and so on. I'm trying to update the outline guideline and WikiProject page to address these problems and issues, and I'm reaching out to you to learn about your perceptions and attitudes toward outlines.
So, with that in mind, and out of curiosity...
Why did you create the Outline of the Israel–Hamas war?
- How do you think it will improve Wikipedia?
- How do you imagine Wikipedia users will make use of it?
How do you use outlines?
Why not just use categories instead?
If an editor said to you that readers can navigate just fine from the main article on a subject and that outlines are just redundant, what would your answer be?
What are the biggest problems that outines have?
What else do you think about outlines?
I look forward to your responses.
Sincerely, — The Transhumanist 06:59, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- Great questions, I want to think on them for a bit to give a better reply, and I may answer the questions in parts, to help give better feedback.
- I was thinking about you recently, I have a simple Python script that gathers items in a cat name you have copied into your clipboard and formats them eg: *Name of article/n and outputs to the clipboard to easily paste into an article. I use Visual Studio Code to create articles, so this works well for me. I was going to add it to a git repo, if you would find this helpful I can send you the link. I have a few others, but they have to be customized for the job at hand atm. Fair warning, they work well, but I am definitely a hack not a pro :)
- Hope you are well, greetings from Los Angeles. // Timothy :: talk 08:35, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
- That reminds me, another question is: Why do we need outlines when we have search? — The Transhumanist 23:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Fatih Yıldız[edit]
Thanks for your participation late in this debate. Unfortunately there wasn't enough input in total to close as anything other than 'no consensus' given the way the debate had gone. Just a heads-up in case you want to consider an immediate re-nomination based on your rationale, I explicitly noted in my close that it was with NPASR. Cheers, Daniel (talk) 05:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)