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The result was delete. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:50, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nurgul Jones[edit]

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The is the same person as Nickk Dropkick (deleted) aka N3rgul (now a redirect, but deleted several times). Probably a G4, but I can't see the deleted version. If the article is identical, I would like to request request delete and salt. Vexations (talk) 21:56, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Subject does not meet general notability requirements. Meatsgains^(talk) 00:27, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. None of the footnotes represent reliable sourcing, and nothing claimed in the body text is "inherently" notable enough under WP:NMUSIC to exempt the footnotes from having to represent reliable sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 22:29, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Sources aren't really RS, as Bearcat pointed out. RoseCherry64 (talk) 16:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Synchronised swimming. Sandstein 07:38, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Men's Cup[edit]

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In its current state this article is a mess. Not enough actual sourcing or established notability ViperSnake151 Talk 15:55, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep but cleanup; I'm not strongly opposed to a TNT delete + redirect to Synchronized swimming. This seems to be a mix between an article on Men's synchronized swimming and a specific event called the Men's Cup. [1] and [2] discuss it. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:55, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect - to synchronized swimming. Meatsgains^(talk) 00:29, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to synchronized swimming. Just not enough coverage in reliable sources to be notable in its own right. A small part of this content could be added to that article. CThomas³ (talk) 19:35, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 07:38, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Times Bangla[edit]

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The sources consist of an official website and two Facebook pages (largely populated by people posting "Awesome" or "Good"). A search turned up nothing better. Fails WP:GNG. Narky Blert (talk) 04:31, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete As the nominator mentions, no usable references on the page itself, and I struggled to find any mention of Times Bangla anywhere. If someone can find some Bengali sources I would change my !vote, but there is pretty close to nothing out there in English. CThomas³ (talk) 19:45, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 07:39, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of active NFL players who have spent their entire career with one franchise[edit]

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This list lacks notability per our guidelines (WP:LISTN), as it is not discussed "as a group or set by independent reliable sources." This falls clearly into WP:NOTSTATS and WP:LISTCRUFT. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:28, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete man, not everything needs to be listed. cymru.lass (talk • contribs) 22:44, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak move to List of NFL players who have spent their entire career with one franchise and expand scope accordingly. "NFL players who have only played for one team" definitely sees some discussion as a natural grouping, eg here or here, but cross-referencing that to only include currently active players seems a step too far. However, there is probably just about enough here to form the nucleus of a list with expanded scope (not limited to active players) (compare List of one-club men in association football or List of NBA players who have spent their entire career with one franchise). That said, I would not mind if people would rather just WP:TNT this one. Lowercaserho (talk) 01:33, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be clear, both links you provided are to the best players to play for one team for their career. Not every player, or every player over an arbitrary time limit. I believe the NFL is unique, in that it was very common for players to play their whole career with one team before free agency in the mid-1990s. Let's say this list sets an arbitrary time limit, like 10 seasons, similar to the NBA list. Does anyone have an idea how many people this would include? It would require a significant amount of digging, especially considering the NFL is 100 years old. There just isn't any source that I have seen that lists or groups all of these players together. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 02:29, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That there are discussions of the best players who are members of a specific group indicates to me that the grouping is a natural one. That is, it's discussing the group "all players who played for only one team", and then subjectively picking out the best players from that group. It wouldn't make sense to pick the best players from the group if it weren't considered a meaningful group in the first place. To my mind, that's enough for WP:LISTN. I can definitely see the concerns regarding WP:VER and WP:OR, though. Even if the grouping is notable enough for a list, it may inherently be impossible to actually compile such a list. As stated, my vote is only a very weak one and I wouldn't greatly object if this were deleted. Lowercaserho (talk) 03:37, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete non notable and useless list. – Sabbatino (talk) 08:31, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete such a list might have a good home in a sports almanac or sports encyclopedia, but it is too granular in detail for inclusion here. Try another wiki.--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:01, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per nom. I agree that this topic gets discussed sometimes, but many, many, many active players have played their entire career with one team (e.g., almost every rookie to start with), making the arbitrary cutoff at 10 years necessary. But once that cutoff is introduced, the list is really List of active NFL players who have spent their entire career of at least 10 years with one franchise, which is not the natural way this topic gets discussed. Rlendog (talk) 14:20, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Rlendog and Gonzo_fan2007. The list is both too broad in scope as defined, as well as not discussed as a standalone group: while the topic of "playing their entire career with one franchise" does indeed get discussed, it is always in conjunction with another natural grouping (best players, longest careers, etc.). So it isn't really a natural grouping on its own, but a qualifier/filter of other natural groupings. "All active NFL players" isn't something we chronicle as a list (nor is "all active NFL players with 10 or more years of service"), so I don't think we should be doing so for this subgrouping, either. CThomas³ (talk) 20:03, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 07:39, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Roberts Putnis[edit]

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Leader of a minor and unsuccessful political party (they got 2.6% in last weekend's general election, winning no seats.) No other claims to notability and I've had a look at the equivalent Latvian wiki article and online and can't find any useful sources that cover him apart from that. Per WP:POLOUTCOMES and WP:POLITICIAN such articles usually don't stay around. Valenciano (talk) 21:11, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:NPOL. SportingFlyer talk 10:09, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep if somebody can find and add some additional sourcing; delete if they can't. To be fair, notability as a political party leader does not actually depend on the party's degree of success or failure in politics — it depends solely on whether there's a GNG-worthy volume of coverage in the role of party leader or not. I can't read Latvian, so I can't assess whether Putnis has enough coverage to get over the bar or not, but it's a question of coverage, not of how many seats they did or didn't win. Plus the English-language source which I could read calls him "one of the country's few openly gay politicians" — which is also obviously not a notability clincher on its own for a person who's sourced only to two short blurbs, but it strongly hints at the possibility that there's more coverage, and maybe even a much stronger notability claim, to be found. Bearcat (talk) 07:38, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I do read Latvian and I couldn't find anything that covered him in significant detail outside his role as party leader, most of it was quoting him in that capacity in the context of an election campaign. Regarding the gay angle, I think that sentence makes that aspect sound more important than it is. We are (fortunately) at the point where being gay is rarely comment-worthy in most EU countries. Two openly gay politicians, Marija Golubeva and Edgars Rinkēvičs, were among the 100 elected to the Latvian parliament last week. The latter is the incumbent foreign minister, so that aspect is not as noteworthy as the article implies. Valenciano (talk) 10:38, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:15, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Atlas (musician)[edit]

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Article fails WP:NMUSIC. Appears to be an autobiography (per photo credits), and makes claims that are not supported by the sources. Promotional Claims, for example "international recognition" but provides no sources to corroborate that claim. Vexations (talk) 19:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Oppose/Keep) Article is not autobiographical, photos were shared by the artist and uploaded for reference. Article has been corrected to meet the WP:NMUSIC conditions and will continue to be sourced accordingly, unfortunately claims of "international recognition" come from music blogs such as an artictle about a song "Vapor" by Atlas ^[1] from Indieshuffle, that does not meet the citation requirements and so therefore it has been removed.(Oppose/Keep)Kolourz (talk) 20:20, 8 October 2018 (UTC)Kolourz Thank you Vexations for bring this to my attention and my apologies for undoing any of your edits this is my first article on Wikipedia and I am still getting the hang of it.[reply]

@Kolourz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_(musician)#/media/File:Atlas_in_2016.jpg was created by claims "Zachary King - Own work" and links Zachary King to Commons:User:Kolourz. If Kolourz is not Zachary King, then the claim that the photo is his own work is incorrect. The exif data shows Copyright 2016 Kolourz. All rights reserved. Please clarify.

(Oppose/Keep)::Due to the fact the artist Zachary King also know as Atlas shared the photos for reference I attributed them to him as the copyright holder in the shared commons licensing ^[2], but it was also my first time uploading photos to Wikicommons and I may have misunderstood the process. From what I read, they would be considered creative commons to be free to share and download, and therefore weren't protected by copyright. I can ask for permission if the copyright needs to be under my username Kolourz. Please help me understand this process better, thank you for your time.Kolourz (talk) 22:25, 8 October 2018 (UTC) Kolourz[reply]

Kolourz I'll try to explain the issue with the copyright and attribution on your talk page as it has no bearing on the notability of the musician, which is the topic of this nomination for deletion. --Vexations (talk) 23:16, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Oppose/Keep)Vexations Could you define what makes an artist "notable" from a creditable source? I am just concered it might be subjective since you're the only one who has made this claim, and marked the page for deletion right after I accidently undid one of your edits. Thanks Kolourz (talk) 23:30, 8 October 2018 (UTC) Kolourz[reply]

Sure. There are two guidelines that are relevant here: The first is the general notability guideline and the second is the subject-specific notability guideline, WP:NMUSIC. We require sources that are independent of the subject as well as reliable that provide in-depth coverage of the subject. In other words; we need to see that more than one competent person, not just some random person on the internet, has written a serious piece about Atlas that critically analyses his work. As far as I can tell, that hasn't been the case. If you haven't read it yet, please read Wikipedia:Help, my article got nominated for deletion! --Vexations (talk) 01:53, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Oppose/Keep)Vexations One might equate that the username Vexations, which by definition is "the act of harassing or vexing : TROUBLING" ^[3] another person or thing, could explain the motive behind Vexations marking the page for deletion as retaliation under the guise of "notability". Which would be in direct violation of the Wikipedia AFD guidelines. Tealeaf90 (talk) 02:05, 9 October 2018 (UTC) tealeaf90[reply]

Tealeaf90 If you think my user name is in violation of policy, Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention is the venue where you'd address that. Go right ahead, but please read Vexations first. This nomination is not "retaliation" for anything. I bear no animus towards anyone involved. The nomination results from my assessment as a page reviewer that the article lacks sources that establish the subject's notability. --Vexations (talk) 02:24, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Oppose/Keep)Vexations I am referring to the manner in which you nominated the page for deletion, looking at the view history it corroborates what Kolourz stated. If you were genuine about the assessment, why not nominate the article for deletion first, not after he accidentally undid your edit. Secondly, it does put Kolourz in a troubling or vexing situation, with all of the work now up for deletion, based on one reviewers opinion of the article. For new users, Wikipedia can be a hard and unforgiving platform to navigate, I hope your intentions are well and not to discourage others from being on the site. Tealeaf90 (talk) 03:28, 9 October 2018 (UTC)tealeaf90[reply]

(Oppose/Keep)Vexations On the topic of "Notability" although the musician Zachary King also known as Atlas, might not have enough citable sources on Wikipedia yet. He has gained notability performing throughout the Southeastern United States. He's performed with notable Grammy nominated acts like Bonobo, Nightmares on Wax, Minnesota, and more. Publications shouldn't be the only qualifying factor in a musicians recognition or notability. According to the Wikipedia:Help, my article got nominated for deletion! "If you think you've met those standards but the improvements took place after most people finished discussion, one final option is Wikipedia:Deletion review. You can also request the article to be moved into userspace or into draftspace, (especially in the case of subjects that are not yet notable, but will likely become notable in the near future)." This would be an option I'd preferably like to avoid for the Atlas (musician) article , he is building recognition and is notable to a demographic. Kolourz (talk) 04:04, 9 October 2018 (UTC)Kolourz[reply]

References

^ https://www.indieshuffle.com/atlas-vapor/
^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_(musician)#/media/File:Atlas_in_2016.jpg
^ https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vexation

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Delete. Doesn't satisfy any of the criteria of WP:NMUSIC. --Michig (talk) 06:06, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. At best WP:TOOSOON per Kolourz (talk) comments above. As it stands now, there simply are not significant, reliable independent sources to verify notability. The references provided consist of user submitted content. ShelbyMarion (talk) 14:54, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In fairness, "Atlas" as a word makes it difficult find info connected to this subject. However, nothing related to "Zachary King" turns up, either. ShelbyMarion (talk) 14:57, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Has got a few decent support slots but notability is not inherited from the main acts. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Not there yet. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:04, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Shows supporting credible sources, has artist page Atlas Music on Facebook verfied ^[1] notes "Zachary King" as sole band member. Kolourz (talk) 01:47, 13 October 2018 (UTC) Kolourz[reply]

Please see WP:ATA#CRYSTAL for why "will be notable in the near future" is an argument to avoid in avoid in deletion discussions. Facebook is a self-published, primary source, per WP:FACEBOOK. Vexations (talk) 01:56, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep AllMusic ^[2] is a highly regarded independent reliable source for finding composer credits, and a musician must be qualified by their requirements before being cited on the platform. Also Zachary Jarrett King is a SESAC ^[3] song-writer affiliate which is a perfoming rights organization that is invitation only, which would make him a notable composer and credible song-writer by their organizations standards Maroon 5, Adele, and One Republic are also SESAC affiliates. Tealeaf90 (talk) 04:29, 13 October 2018 (UTC)tealeaf90[reply]
Delete Unfortunately neither AllMusic nor SESAC are part of the WP:NMUSIC notability criteria. Per the allmusic website, TiVo adds products and other materials to their databases at their discretion, with no indication of what that criteria is, and further goes on to state that TiVo tries to add recordings and review as many CDs possible, but can't make any promises about which artists and titles will receive an enhanced level of editorial coverage.. This does not seem to indicate any exhaustive review of notability, but rather that they review any and all submissions as they get around to it. According to SESAC's web page, they have 30,000 such affiliates. Certainly some (like Adele, Bob Dylan, and Neil Diamond) are notable. But we don't know what criteria they use, nor is there a comprehensive listing of affiliates for us to even guess at what their unpublished criteria for invitation are. At present we only have WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC to go by, and I have to agree with Vexations and ShelbyMarion that this level of coverage doesn't exist yet. Perhaps it will someday, but for right now I'd say WP:TOOSOON. CThomas³ (talk) 21:12, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is correct. Allmusic, per multiple source reviews, can be (though not always) reliable for those profile entries containing career biographic information written by staff writers. However, simple listings--such as in this case--are the result of any music released for sale, compiled by the Rovi/TiVo database. Such credits are common and can be user submitted. In such cases, it is not a significant source for proving notability. ShelbyMarion (talk) 21:24, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 07:39, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Laurence Boldt[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:AUTHOR or WP:GNG - the reliable sources aren't extensive. Last AfD had little participation and was no consensus, but nothing has changed in the last year in terms of available sources. Boleyn (talk) 19:33, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:SIGCOV, fails WP:AUTHOR.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:04, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. promotional and non-notable. DGG ( talk ) 01:25, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kpg jhp jm 18:16, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Duck walk killer[edit]

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At best, this is too soon for an article, but there's a good chance this will never have sustained notability. Natureium (talk) 19:03, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Good sources. Not too soon at all. Also per WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 19:48, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - But I may be biased living in the neighborhood affected. ―Buster7 ☎ 23:58, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I was about to say shootings in Chicago are WP:MILL, however on examining the coverage it seems it is national,[3][4][5][6] and international.[7] Per WP:RAPID and scope/scale of coverage this should be retained at present. Whether coverage continues to be persistent should be assessed at a later date as at present it requires a crystal ball.Icewhiz (talk) 12:21, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep certainly passes WP:GNG.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:43, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:RAPID - this is a developing story drawing wide attention. E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:47, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:16, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Francis Hews[edit]

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No evidence of notability. None of the sources indicate notability (either primary or self-published sources, or sources of very limited significance or reliability, like "experimental religion"). Article doesn't make clear what his claim to notability should be either. His published works haven't received attention, and are not even mentioned in the obituary in the "evangelical magazine". Looking for other sources gives some bibliographies which list his works (among thousands of others, and without further attention), and a short article in the "Bedfordshire Magazine" from 1966 about a poem he wrote. Nothing which would make him meet WP:AUTHOR or WP:ANYBIO. Article was tagged with the "notability" template. Fram (talk) 09:09, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment, i have also added Hews to the music afd list as his book, The Songs of Sion in Gospel Sound is held by around 140 libraries (maybe librarians know something that we don't?:)). Coolabahapple (talk) 01:10, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And numerous editions of Spoils Won in the Day of Battle since 1798 under its various titles, including modern ones. Philafrenzy (talk) 07:53, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, Hews appears in A Baptist Bibliography (well he would...:)). Coolabahapple (talk) 01:32, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The article has been expanded since nomination and clearly meets the GNG. He is notable as a religious author and autobiographer whose works are still in print 200 years later and widely held by libraries and have received critical attention. He is also notable for his account of the opposition he received to his work, the legal records of which are referenced by National Archives, and which is part of the story of non-conformism in England. His activities in Bedfordshire might seem a little parochial but the county was a centre of Baptist activity as the birth place of John Bunyan so being a preacher in chapels there is more significant than it at first appears. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:15, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Satisfies GNG. James500 (talk) 02:49, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Correction. His work is not "widely held by libraries" or "held by around 140 libraries", and his work is not "still in print" (one work has received a very limited reprint in 1972, which has not received any verifiable attention at all). "The songs" has been digitised by the British Library, and as far as I can tell all other 139 libraries only have the e-book, just like they have every book digitised by the British Library. So basically, the actual book is owned by 1 library as far as we know. So, is he notable because his works "have received critical attention"? A 5 line review of one work, and a short segment in a longer article in the Bedfordshire Magazine 150 years later, is hardly evidence of being "notable as a religious author and an autobiographer". Legal records are primary sources and give no notability either. "being a preacher in chapels there is more significant than it at first appears.": not only than it at first appears, but more significant than any significant author has realised apparently. Basically, the significant attention he has received is one short review of one work at the time of publication, and a few lines in the Bedfordshire Magazine. All that remains otherwise is unreliable or partisan sources, one copy of the book in the British Library which has been digitized, and things you believe should make him notable, but where no authoritative sources have agreed with you so far. Fram (talk) 06:21, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Correcting your correction:

Seven (non digital) works in the British Library.
Spoils and Songs of Sion is in print with Gale (but sold out awaiting new copies), most recently in a 2018 hardback edition. Here's the link there are two others too. So since first publication in 1798, Spoils has been reprinted in 1852 (part), 1967, 1972, 1982 (Bible Truth Books, may be same edition as 1972 per World Cat), 2010 by Gale (paperback) and 2018 by Gale (hardback).
You are wrong about these all being electronic. See here for the libraries holding the 1972 hardback edition such as BL, Trinity College Dublin, National Library of Scotland etc. Religious libraries holding it in the U.S. are stated to be Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, West Coast Baptist College. I have that edition and it is far more than a simple reprint. The publisher has added numerous photographs of baptist meeting places mentioned in the text and cross-referenced them, notes on Hews's life, and a map "The country of the Spoils" showing the place in which he worked so its clearly a work of enduring significance in its field. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:35, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Every book which has been digitized (and is PD) is "in print" from these kind of publishers, they just make a print-on-demand version (basically, they print and bind whatever you want them to). That is not "being in print", that is "being digitized and PD". The BL tries to collect every book which has been printed in the UK ever, being listed there (or in most other university libraries) is not an indication of notability, just of existence. I can't find any reliable evidence of the 1852 edition or the 1967 edition, the 1972 and 1982 are probably the same (by someone who doesn't seem to have published any other books, not some reputable scientific or historic publisher?), and the 2010 and 2018 are print-on-demand services (Gale is in itself a very respectable publisher; but the Gale ECCO series, of which this book is a part, are some 185,000 18th-century titles from the BL c.s., not some restrictive, specific selection of noteworthy books[8]). So the book has been reprinted once, in 1972, in an edition which hasn't made any headlines (or bylines or even mentions), but is kept in a few libraries (have they bought it? Has the publisher sent it to them for free? No idea, no means to know this, but in any case not evidence of notability). Your claims that it is a notable book (and by extension author) are in direct contradiction with the extreme lack of attention they have received[9]. Fram (talk) 10:10, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The 1852 edition was titled Zion's Casket and 1967-69 Zion's Witness as stated in the article. It only reverted to the original title for the 1972 and later editions. Even if the most recent editions are printed digitally (like many Oxford University Press books by the way), the fact remains that since 1798 the book has had at least three further printings, quite apart from the other points that indicate that the GNG is satisfied from his other works and his life. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:22, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Philafrenzy, I know the claims the article makes about the 1852 and 1967 editions, but where is the evidence that these exist?[10]. As far as I am concerned, the book has been reprinted once, by a publisher without any history or credentials, and without that reprint getting any attention at all. Value for notability of such a reprint is nil. Fram (talk) 11:53, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Later editions are generally regarded as reliable sources for the existence of earlier editions which are usually printed in the bibliographical details, as I am sure you know and as they are in that edition. I wasn't aware of that publisher either but you will just have to believe me when I say it is a professionally produced edition with new content such as photographs and notes and a map apparently drawn specially for it. It is not a facsimile. The value of reprints for notability is not in the publisher but in the fact of the reissuing, in this case over two centuries, which indicates the continued significance of a work in its field, i.e. the history of the Baptists and non-conformism in England. Philafrenzy (talk) 15:45, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

¨*Um, no. A publication by an unknown entity (we have a name for the publisher, but zero indication that they are in any way a trustworthy source) is not a reliable source for any information, and if like here there's is zero evidence that the information is actually is correct, then we don't accept it. A reprint by an unknwon publisher and editor is not a reliable source at all for any information. Please remove all information you have added to the article and which is solely based on this reprint, as it is simply not a WP:RS. Fram (talk) 17:23, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The publisher is not "unknown", it is Woodcraft of Bedfordshire, exactly where we would expect a work about a Bedfordshire preacher to be published. There is every reason to believe the source to be reliable. Please take it to talk or the RS noticeboard if you disagree. Philafrenzy (talk) 18:17, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Woodcraft of Biggleswade is totally unknown as a publisher or as a historian. They have zero credentials in either role, and don't get quoted by any respected historians. Fram (talk) 06:53, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think what you really mean is unknown to you. This book is 99% a reprinting of a 1798 work, do you argue that they have deliberately misrepresented anything? Here's the page of notes at the front. Now I look at that page again, I think it is likely that Zion's Casket and Zion's Witness are journals rather than alternative titles (British Library have The Spiritual Magazine and Zion's Casket) but that only makes the subject more notable as it means it was published in multiple media and in the case of Zion's Witness in serial form. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:59, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, I mean unknown to anyone anywhere. This is not a well-known publisher, this is not a well-known historian (or literary critic, or whatever). No reliable source has ever given any attention to this publishing house, or to the person who wrote these additional pages. Please don't try to express "what I really mean", if you think I am wrong just say so but don't be passive-agressive. As you clearly don't understand what our reliable sources policy is about, I see no point in trying to explain this any further to you. Let me just give a hint: "do you argue that they have deliberately misrepresented anything? " is a strawman argument of the first grade; the crux of RS is that we dismiss sources where have no indication that they are trustworthy, reliable, known for being accurate; not that we should only dismiss source which are known to "deliberately misrepresenting" anything. The lowering of all kinds of enwiki bars in this AfD is staggering, but I didn't think you would really go to this lengths to defend such a source. Oh, and your Google link gives a 404 error, "404. That’s an error. The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know." Fram (talk) 09:34, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake, here's the link. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:32, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but what are you trying to prove with it? I didn't doubt that the book contained the information you provided. But showing that page doesn't make the book any more or less reliable or trustworthy. Fram (talk) 10:37, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, great to see a couple of really experience editors duking it out at an afd. Coolabahapple (talk) 07:20, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly meets the GNG Whispyhistory (talk) 13:35, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- In what way? Which reliable, independent sources give significant coverage of Hews? The only source which really gives some attention to Hews is his obituary, which is hardly the best source (and e.g. ignores his work as a writer completely!) Fram (talk) 13:39, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep We have a dearth of articles on English non-conformism, and this article further illuminates this tempestuous period, certainly satisfies GNG as it stands. No Swan So Fine (talk) 22:11, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
RSN discussion started at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Francis Hews. Fram (talk) 06:49, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per our editing policy, WP:PRESERVE. The page in question seems to be coming along nicely but notice that this discussion is more than twice as big and forking per WP:LIGHTBULB. We don't delete AfD discussions even though they are usually just of historical interest. All that deleting the page in question would achieve would be to change its its status so that only admins like Fram could read it. This would tend to annoy the productive contributors involved to no useful purpose. Andrew D. (talk) 09:03, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
delete Apart form what look like primary sources there is not a lot here.Slatersteven (talk) 10:01, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment He turns up in an 1800 issue of London Review, which says of Spoils won in the Name of Battle: "This delectable narrative informs us, that the author is a Baptist teacher and druggist in Dunstable, where he has got many enemies, whom he abuses by name in the most libelous language. We are in doubt to which place he ought to be sent, whether to Bridewell for correction, or to Bedlam for cure."^[4] Ah, it's in the article after all. --tronvillain (talk) 13:28, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete This is a tough one. Personally, I would like the article to remain - it's interesting and imo encyclopaedic. But I can't in all conscience find a policy-based reason for retention. There's nothing in refs to assert anything other than that the book exists; that's way short of the notability guidelines. As a thought experiment, how would we feel if this were someone who died yesterday? I'd like there to be a GNG exception for 'quite interesting, verifiable, historical stuff that's doing no harm being here', but there isn't, and such a policy would be hard to draft. Mcewan (talk) 13:44, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- I do not think that autobiographies of Baptist clergy from that period are common, which probably makes this notable, as does the fact that it has been reprinted twice. As an 18th century book, it will no doubt be available on the Gale database Eighteenth century books on-line (which has a paywall). The article is currently an unsatisfactory one, since it is mostly not about what the autobiography tells us. No doubt that is liable to criticism as self-published (and thus presenting only the author's POV), but it is all we have and it is not recent. I expect that there are a few more copies about, if one looked hard, but even if there is only one, that does not prevent it being significant. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:07, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://www.facebook.com/atlasmusic
^ https://www.allmusic.com/artist/zachary-jarrett-king-mn0003746331
^ https://www.sesac.com
^ Staff writer (July 1800). "Art. 35". The London Review and Biographia Literaria. Vol. 3, no. 19. p. 89.

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tone 17:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Philafrenzy Sakaimover (talk) 03:58, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Since the article was nominated, there has been enough expansion with cited content, with the subject's significance in the history of English non-conformist and Baptist churchmen well enough set out. Edwardx (talk) 22:31, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think the references in the article now are sufficient for notability. Furthermore, there probably exist more printed sources which are not available online (that's probable for 18th/19th century figures.) SJK (talk) 09:07, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Overwhelming jeep and snow keep consensus. (non-admin closure) AmericanAir88^(talk) 15:02, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rock Me (Steppenwolf song)[edit]

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No evidence of notability. Kendall-K1 (talk) 17:44, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep As a Billboard Hot 100 Top 10 single, sourced in the article before the nomination was made, I don't know how the NOM can think this does not meet WP:NMUSIC. I guess I'll see how much we need to argue about it after I see additional responses. I urge withdrawal of this ill conceived nomination. Trackinfo (talk) 17:53, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep: this single made no. 4 on Canada's RPM 100 singles chart as well [11]... with top ten entries in two countries it's difficult to see how this doesn't pass WP:NSONG. Richard3120 (talk) 20:48, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't get it. Are we reading the same WP:NSONG? Where does it say that top ten entries in two countries makes a song notable? Can you provide a quote? Kendall-K1 (talk) 23:07, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Charting can definitely be one indication of notability, but if a song charts and still receives limited coverage from third-party, reliable sources, then it could be merged/redirected to another target article. I do not have an opinion about this specific case, but I just wanted to say that charting alone should not taken as the only indicator for notability. Aoba47 (talk) 01:22, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, just charting in itself isn't a guarantee of notability, WP:NSONG criterion 1 says so. But the fact it was a big chart hit in not one, but two, countries, plus passing criterion 3, being an independent release by a notable band (its release almost certainly would have received coverage in various music magazines at the time, given how well known the band were), indicates this song meets notability by passing two of the three criteria of WP:NSONG. Richard3120 (talk) 12:10, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep under WP:NSONG. Generally, a song is considered a hit single if it reaches the top 40 on the Billboard Hot 100. A song that reaches the top 10 in two countries definitely clears the notability bar, especially since it's the band's third-biggest hit. — Newslinger talk 10:29, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:NSONG with a top 10 single in Billboard Hot 100. The nomination is in any invalid as no valid rationale has been given. Hzh (talk) 17:09, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Snow keep per above, article contains sufficient sourcing and context to assert notability. Song appears on several albums and soundtracks. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 01:12, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Everybody seems to agree this fails WP:NGRIDIRON. The question is whether it passes WP:GNG in the alternative, and there's no agreement on that. There's lots of sources that talk about him, but people don't agree on whether they're WP:ROUTINE coverage. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:59, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ethan Cooper[edit]

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Doesn't meet the notability guidelines set out in WP:NGRIDIRON, i.e. he never played in a regular season game for a professional football organization. He is currently a free agent and his only experience has been on practice squads. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:40, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep May not meet football specific notability guidelines but seems to pass GNG for instance [12] [13] [14]. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 16:57, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:NGRIDIRON, the articles written on him above are routine articles from papers local to either his high school or the team he signed as an undrafted free agent with and were written in the same week. All other stories are routine transactional announcements. SportingFlyer talk 17:11, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Did you even review the sources before you made your claim? The first one is from 2016. Here's another article [15] I'd hardly classify as routine. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 02:13, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Of course I did, and the article presented there is absolutely routine - it just notes a local former high school player will participate at the NFL Combine. It's as routine as they get, especially since he never played an NFL game. SportingFlyer talk 03:08, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, you are entitle to your opinion. What I took issue with was that you said all the articles were written in the span of a week, when the first was written when he was in college in 2016. I wouldn't classify it as routine, but I digress. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 02:13, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ third party references in the articles and that I can find through searches appear to all be transactional reporting in nature which typically are not considered add to notability. He could achieve notability through his college play but that is rare for offensive linemen and it does not appear to be such an exception. Other references are either blog posts or team pages that also do not meet the reference requirements. It's possible that he could gain notability (it's happened before) but in this case it has not happened yet that I can see.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:03, 27 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Paulmcdonald: Take a look at the sources set forth below and see if they change your mind. Thanks. Cbl62 (talk) 15:38, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Those are much better, great research! Passes WP:GNG and changing to Keep--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:08, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Paulmcdonald: What about WP:NGRIDIRON ? --David Tornheim (talk) 10:35, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What about it? WP:NGRIDIRON has always been interpreted to be inclusive and not exclusive. Passing WP:GNG is more than enough. There is more than one path to notability. For example, WP:ABELINCOLN didn't pass WP:NGRIDIRON either...--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:07, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but unlike our subject here, Lincoln's primary claim to notability had nothing to do with football (or athletics in general). SportingFlyer talk 06:52, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thus proving there is more than one path to notability. WP:NGRIDIRON is one, WP:GNG is another. --Paul McDonald (talk) 01:01, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:NGRIDIRON since neither attending the NFL combine or signing with an NFL team guarantees notability. I don't believe the coverage shown is sufficient to meet WP:GNG. Papaursa (talk) 02:04, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Cooper was a D2 first-team All-American in 2016. He plainly passes WP:GNG with significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. Characterization of the coverage as WP:ROUTINE is wholly fallacious. Routine coverage consists of passing mentions in game coverage, brief transactional blurbs, etc. The coverage here consists of in-depth feature coverage in mainstream media outlets -- the antithesis of "routine" coverage. As noted by Paul M., offensive lineman almost never get such feature coverage. The fact that Cooper does is telling. Examples of such coverage include: (1) "IUP alum Ethan Cooper living in the moment with Steelers", Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 6/2/17 (feature story); (2) "Former IUP All-American lineman Ethan Cooper drawn to Steelers' Mike Munchak", Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 6/5/17 (feature story); (3) "Former CD East standout Ethan Cooper hopes name is called on NFL Draft's final day", The Patriot-News, 4/29/17 (feature story); (4) "Giants have crowd of veteran guards blocking Ethan Cooper's path", Pro Football Weekly, 5/23/18 (274 words, available at NewsLibrary.com); (5) Central Pa.'s Kyle Friend, Ethan Cooper taking it 'day-by-day' with Pittsburgh Steelers, The Patriot-News, 8/19/17; (6) "IUP product Cooper looking to impress childhood cross-state rival", Latrobe Bulletin, 7/31/17 (721-word feature story available through NewsLibrary.com); and (7) "CD East grad Ethan Cooper eyeing playoff run with IUP, NFL career", The Patriot-News, 11/23/16. Cbl62 (talk) 15:35, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree - I think they're all pretty routine coverage. Just because a college athlete gets a feature story written about them doesn't mean that they deserve an article on this site, and all of the articles you've written about can be classified as a "local man tries to make local professional football team" with the exception of the Pro Football Weekly article, which I don't have access to. Apart from Pro Football Weekly, all of the articles are local to either the city he tried out in, the city he played college ball in, and the city he played high school in, and they all talk about how he's trying to become a professional football player. He's just a guy who played college ball and couldn't make the pros. Fails WP:NGRIDIRON and I believe the GNG presumption. SportingFlyer talk 22:26, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your interpretation of "routine" as including multiple feature stories in multiple mainstream media outlets is unsupported by the language of WP:ROUTINE, contrary to the language of WP:GNG, and well outside the mainstream. Cbl62 (talk) 01:04, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's not, though. There's a lot of routine sports coverage in the vein of "local man wins award" per WP:ROUTINE, even in feature stories. I know this as a former sports journalist - hyper-local sports coverage sells papers. The fact every article prefaces his name with the name of his high school or college demonstrates his notability is very limited. And remember, WP:GNG is a presumption. The fact he meets neither WP:GRIDIRON or WP:NCOLLATH and is only covered in his home state doesn't lend itself to that presumption. SportingFlyer talk 01:08, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You may not think that your view of feature coverage is well out of the mainstream, and you're entitled to your opinion, but the long history of similar AfD discussions shows a clear consensus that this type of feature story coverage is (a) not routine, and (b) sufficient to pass the GNG bar. You may want to review the Player notability discussion library. Cbl62 (talk) 01:15, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good points, to which I would ask all to please read WP:ROUTINE closely. You will find that it applies only to events and not people. Further, you'll find that "sports scores" as is defined in routine is way below the bar of "feature articles" which this subject has. For a counter-essay, you can read WP:NOTROUTINE.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:16, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've read through the "keep" in the "player notability discussion library" and I see about five or six editors who will vote keep on any college football article with any coverage at all, and a number of other voters who occasionally disagree and get railroaded in the process. I don't view this as consensus. This is actually a WP:BLP1E fail. Furthermore, there's no reason why WP:ROUTINE can't apply to people, especially people who participate in routine events such as Mr. Cooper. SportingFlyer talk 01:22, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The accusation that there is a group "who will vote keep on any college football article with any coverage at all" is a gross misrepresentation of fact that should be withdrawn. The participants at the college football project have differing views but are pretty solid at policing and deleting articles that lack significant coverage. Cbl62 (talk) 01:37, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it is. Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Diocemy_Saint_Juste was for a running back who failed WP:GRIDIRON and WP:NCOLLATH and didn't have any feature stories outside the state he played in. I noted here Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Dalton_Crossan the article was borderline, but all of the coverage after my vote (I didn't go back and look at it) are pieces from his local area saying he's trying to make the NFL. Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jimmie_Kaylor was kept off the back of coverage again local to the Colorado area. Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/James_Aiono received a two-sentence blurb in the Orlando Sentinel, was saved off of coverage local to the Utah area. Even after the AfD, that article in mainspace is a stub without any sources! Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nick_Waisome was mentioned in a coatrack article about a minor senior bowl and had an ESPN recruitment article named after him but was saved off of local Florida sources. I'm less concerned about Waisome because he apparently played for a national championship team, but still. Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Demario_Richard was kept off the back of two articles about his recruitment and about five articles from a student newspaper of the school he participated at. SportingFlyer talk 08:27, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is another one of those articles: there were two public interest articles written about the fact a local player was trying to make the Steelers, a relatively short article about how two Harrisburg players were trying to make the Steelers from a Harrisburg paper, a local article saying a local is hopeful for being drafted on the last day, et cetera. There's no national coverage of any sort, he didn't have a notable college career since he played at a DII school, and has only received niche coverage once he was released by the Steelers for being on the Giants' practice squad. If you look at any other sports notability guideline, just because a player receives coverage does not mean that player is notable. Heck, not to other stuff exists, but we just deleted an AFL first-round draft pick! (Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Paddy_Steinfort was a bad pick by Richmond and the article failed NPOV, but still.) SportingFlyer talk 08:27, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, sometimes editors disagree. The comments about "local" coverage do not apply to WP:GNG, the word "local" is not even on the page. Significant coverage is defined as coverage that "addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." Note that there is no mention of the distribution of the publication.--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:39, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@SportingFlyer: You are advocating a drastic change in Wikipedia's notability standards to eliminate any weight being given to feature stories in major metropolitan newspapers from Pittsburgh. As you well know, this drastic change was rejected at Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)#Local sources, again -- despite your advocacy there. Having lost the argument there, it appears that you are now simply forum-shopping for a second bite at the apple by filibustering the same issue here. If you want to continue discussing broader issues, I am happy to do so on my Talk page, but I think you've made your view clear for purposes of this AfD. Cbl62 (talk) 14:34, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm not advocating for a drastic change, and I don't appreciate you misinterpreting my argument - and my comment at the local sources has nothing to do with football, but rather with local political cruft we're seeing a lot of at the moment. My argument for Mr. Cooper is simply he's a non-notable football player who fails WP:GRIDIRON and WP:NCOLLATH. The coverage of him fails WP:BLP1E, with the event being his attempt to make the NFL in Pennsylvania (apart from the PFW blurb). The fact he got a couple write-ups was largely because he was a local product, not because he's notable - he didn't get any press with the Packers or Chiefs that I can see, for instance. SportingFlyer talk 20:42, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I thought you were saying the feature stories about Cooper from Pittsburgh's metropolitan newspapers should not be given any weight. I apologize if I misinterpreted your argument. Cbl62 (talk) 21:54, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC, per Cbl62's sources. Ejgreen77 (talk) 00:53, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
delete Fails WP:NGRIDIRON and WP:GNG. Being a division 2 All-American doesn't meet any notability standards. Coverage is routine and local. By that I mean the coverage is from each city where he tries to make an NFL team and is no different from what hundreds of NFL wannabe rookies get each year. There's nothing unusual about the coverage he receives and no football notability standards are met.Sandals1 (talk) 16:20, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple feature stories are the antithesis of routine. Moreover, there is no bar on the use of coverage in major metropolitan newspapers from a city like Pittsburgh to establish notability. To the contrary, a proposal to limit the use of local sources in biographical articles was recently rejected at Wikipedia talk:Notability (people)#Local sources, again. Cbl62 (talk) 14:52, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree that multiple feature stories are clearly WP:NOTROUTINE.--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:32, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Local athletes can have multiple feature stories written about them and yet still not be notable. No one is attacking the Pittsburgh newspaper for being "local" - the problem is the athlete only received coverage because the local papers covered a local athlete trying to make a local professional team, which they do routinely - and the athlete then failed to make the team! SportingFlyer talk 20:24, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As I have stated before (and I think in this discussion, but just to be sure) the word "local" is nowhere to be found in WP:GNG. I have yet to find any reference to a policy, to a guideline, or even an essay that disqualifies coverage because it is "local" -- if you have a reference, please provide it.--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:21, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing wrong with local sources, except local sources generate a ton routine sports coverage, and I strongly believe all of the coverage of him is routine, in part because he's only notable for being a local football player. SportingFlyer talk 00:17, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If that's the case (and I'm not saying that it is) it would still pass WP:GNG based on the standards provided there.--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:10, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Which standards are you talking about? Routine sources go against the premises of WP:NOTEVERYTHING. SportingFlyer talk 06:54, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You're just repeating yourself at this point, but feature stories in major metropolitan newspapers are plainly not "routine". Cbl62 (talk) 14:08, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete fails WP:NGRIDIRON. Please ping me and correct me if you believe I am wrong. --David Tornheim (talk) 10:36, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@David Tornheim: Per your request: You are wrong in relying on NGRIDIRON as a basis for deleting. NGRIDIRON is clear and explicit that it is an inclusionary standard only and that athletes may still have articles if they pass under WP:GNG. Cbl62 (talk) 14:52, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping. I'm still sticking with delete based on SprintFlyer's arguments. That's what I see too. --David Tornheim (talk) 03:20, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Question for those that support the delete position: are you stating the subject fails WP:NGRIDIRON and that's all that matters, not even looking at WP:GNG; or are you stating that the subject fails both WP:NGRIDIRON and WP:GNG? Or something else? Please summarize your positions.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:04, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Fails WP:NGRIDIRON, WP:NCOLLATH, and either fails WP:GNG due to the fact all reporting on him is routine or passes WP:GNG and fails WP:BLP1E/WP:NOTNEWS/WP:INDISCRIMINATE for receiving almost all of his coverage from his attempt to make the Steelers. SportingFlyer talk 01:09, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - That helps, I don't think anyone here holds the position that the subject passes WP:NGRIDIRON at this time. I really have a hard time accepting the feature articles as "routine" because most certainly not every college player gets articles like that--he had to do something to warrant the press. I fail to see how WP:BLP1E applies because it's more than one event. I've never bought the WP:NOTNEWS argument because it makes no sense that someone or something would not be notable because they have too much coverage in the news. And as for WP:INDISCRIMINATE, the subject matter and articles clearly are WP:DISCRIMINATE and are on a focused topic rather than summary only descriptions of works; lyrics databases; excessive listings of unexplained statistics; nor exhaustive logs of software updates... nor anything close to that. It seems to come down to WP:GNG and how that is interpreted and applied. Have I summarized properly?--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:33, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - The other important wrinkle to note here is he only got significant coverage after he was no longer a college player - it was routine Steelers beat reporting about a former local college player. (I believe feature articles can be routine, too - we disqualify high school sports articles, for instance.) I don't think there's any argument the transactional signed/released by Giants/Packers reporting is routine? In any case, the conflict between keep/delete here is pretty well defined, not sure there's much more to say. SportingFlyer talk 10:16, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      - Please do not confuse the word "routine" with the Wiki shortcut WP:ROUTINE--the latter is specifically for events and calls routine coverage to be "sports scores".--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:14, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete does not meet our insanely low criteria for notability of playes of American football.John Pack Lambert (talk) 23:59, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I said in my vote that I thought he failed WP:GNG and that hasn't changed. Responding to Paulmcdonald's comment above, I think the word "routine" is often used to mean "typical" or "not unusual". This would be the opposite of what would make something "encyclopedic" or "worthy of note". In this specific case, this type of coverage is given to every player trying to make an NFL team and I think the SNG is clear that merely trying out for an NFL team does not grant automatic notability. Papaursa (talk) 19:44, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- The word "routine" can certainly mean that, but the guideline WP:ROUTINE provides much more specific and restrictive definitions. In Wikipedia, we often use "handles" or "shortcuts" to easily remember essays and policy and guidelines--and those are normally one word or an otherwise easy-to-remember "handle" for our own reference. But they point to a much more robust definition with extensive content that is argued, discussed, edited, and argued some more. Simply reading the content at the destination page of WP:ROUTINE shows that it is much more extensive in its definitions than the single word "routine" -- it's important that we all remember that.--Paul McDonald (talk) 23:56, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The discussion around this AfD has been constructive. I continue to believe the coverage, including feature stories in major metropolitan newspapers, is not WP:ROUTINE, that such significant coverage is all that is required under GNG, and that GNG is the bedrock of our objective standards for notability. At the same time, I recognize that there are significant factors that make this a close and controversial case. First, Cooper was a Division II player, and players at this level are very rarely notable. Second, we have not found significant coverage received by Cooper during his college playing career. Instead, the coverage found all relates (as others have noted) to his efforts to make an NFL roster, all consists of local/regional coverage, and could be viewed by some as "feel-good, underdog-tries-for-the-big-time" coverage. Because of these unique attributes, this AfD should be considered a very weak precedent whichever way it closes. Cbl62 (talk) 22:47, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing how this coverage is routine. Not every single newspaper coverage of a living person is routine. There is a very specific meaning of what routine coverage, and I am definitely not under the impression that every single one of the sources Cbl62 provided is too routine to be able to pass GNG. Imo, this is a clear pass of the general notability guideline.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 02:11, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I'm persuaded by SportingFlyer's extensive analysis above. What we have here is a DII All-American who went undrafted, bounced around a couple practice squads, and is currently a free agent. WP:GNG is ultimately about the presumption of notability; if the sources meet all the other criteria, we presume the subject is notable, unless proven otherwise. It's not enough for sources to exist; you have to be able to write an article from them. The current article is utterly routine, and there's no indication that it will become otherwise. Most of the non-routine coverage is of his attempt to make an NFL team. There's nothing unusual or even interesting about that, so far he is unsuccessful. Hundreds if not thousands of young men are in that position every year. Mackensen (talk) 12:28, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GNG. The newspaper stories are more than routine coverage. Discounting a small-town newspaper story about a local kid who becomes or tries to become successful is one thing. Discounting coverage in multiple large cities on the basis that they are all local is silly. Many people try out for sports teams. Most don't get even one full length article written about them. He did, several times. Rlendog (talk) 19:14, 18 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Maccabi Haifa F.C.#Early years. Clear consensus that there is some material here worth merging to the main club article. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:07, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

1922–23 Maccabi Haifa F.C. season[edit]

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Removed PROD, article fails WP:NSEASONS and I feel this fails WP:GNG also. Govvy (talk) 16:15, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge Per WP:NSEASONS, this is presumed to be notable as historic information regarding a team that plays in a top professional league, and should be merged with Maccabi Haifa F.C. rather than deleted. The article is prose, not merely statistics and lists. This was an abbreviated season, and I expect additional sources would be limited due to world and regional events since 1922/23, so a detailed article is unlikely to be developed, therefore merge and redirect to the main article on the club is appropriate. Jack N. Stock (talk) 16:25, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I don't see why you would need to merge anything, the club reorganised in 1923, however there is nothing else of interest to note. Nothing else significant happened. Also the league wasn't established till 1928. Govvy (talk) 16:33, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment The establishment date of the league is a red herring. Yes, the founding of the league was significant, but nonetheless it was incidental. It's common to trace a pro club's history back to the founding of the club, even if their current (or later) league was not yet established at that time. Here's a random example, and there are numerous others. OK, I know WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but why not start the history of the club from when the club was founded? It would be fairly easy to include this as part of the history section in the main article, and the main article is of a length that could readily include expansion of the early history. Jack N. Stock (talk) 17:31, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - not notable, not needed, nothing worth merging. Giant Snowman 13:47, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, at least in some form - the article's sourcing is fine, and I'm sure someone could expand this with WP:NEXIST. I think it might be better suited as "Maccabi Haifa in the 1920's," though. SportingFlyer talk 23:51, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - I don't believe that a collection of friendlies qualifies this as a season, per se. However, the information on the Hebrew Cup is well-sourced, and is at the least notable enough to be mentioned in the club article. Maccabi Haifa F.C. certainly needs more information about the club's early years, and this would be a part of the club's history that could be merged in to that section. 21.colinthompson (talk) 19:02, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Maccabi Haifa F.C.#Early years. It really is all of one line (once you cut out the OR in the lede (10th season) and tables for two matches) - After a period of inactivity, the club was re-organized in February 1923.^[1] The club playing a handful of matches during the season, including taking part in a cup competition which was called "The Hebrew Cup". Due to its distance, the club was given a bye to the final,^[2] in which it lost of Maccabi Nes Tziona 0–2.^[3]^[4]^[5]. Icewhiz (talk) 08:05, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Haifa Doar HaYom, 8 February 1923, Historical Jewish Press (in Hebrew)
^ Maccabi Haifa First Final Loss 24 May 2016, Kaduregel Vintage (in Hebrew)
^ The Football "Hebrew Cup" Doar HaYom, 11 May 1923, Historical Jewish Press (in Hebrew)
^ The Hebrew E.I. Cup in Football Doar HaYom 3 May 1923, Historical Jewish Press (in Hebrew)
^ The Football During the British Mandate Era Asher Goldberg, 28 September 2010, IFA (in Hebrew)

Keep either as is or make it a part of Maccabi Haifa in the 1920s. Should not be delete. Warrants inclusion in wikipedia as per above. So said The Great Wiki Lord. (talk) 22:46, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per all above comments. Information passes WP:V but WP:NSEASONS would prevent this from being an actual article. Redditaddict69 ^(talk) ^(contribs) 21:41, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge somehow I find it difficult to believe that this was a professional club, when it seems to have had no potential opponents. However it maight in usefully merged to an article on the club or Football in Mandatory Palestine.

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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:24, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Taryn Khanam[edit]

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Previously deleted (article subject requested deletion, unanimous AfD). Fails GNG. Sourcing in the article consists mainly of short quotes of her in event announcements for BritBangla which she co-founded, sources form BritBangla, and the award of a BEM in 2015 (the same line is repeated by sources covering the entire 2015 list). No in-depth sources found covering her. Icewhiz (talk) 16:15, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, for pretty much the same reasons article was previously deleted. PR professional, fails WP:SIGCOV.E.M.Gregory (talk) 06:52, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:G4 So said The Great Wiki Lord. (talk) 22:50, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:24, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

BritBangla[edit]

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Previously deleted. Sourcing consists of event announcements,the organization itself and Asianimage (which actually covers the organization). Promotional, and fails WP:CORPIND - a lack of multiple in-depth reliable sources. Icewhiz (talk) 16:06, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, non-notable professional networking organization. Has gotten a little press, publicity placements like "Bengali women past and present celebrated," but there is no claim to notability, fails WP:SIGCOV.E.M.Gregory (talk) 06:50, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:G4 So said The Great Wiki Lord. (talk) 22:50, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Niavaran Complex. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 02:11, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Private library of the Niavaran Complex[edit]

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The only source listed for the article is a dead link which hasn't worked for years. It is a private library within a complex whose overarching notability is marginal at best. Initial google searches show little to no independent coverage of the library amongst any sources. Flip^and Flopped ツ 15:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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merge to Niavaran Complex, presuming the sourcing issue can be dealt with. The main article is short and can easily absorb this, and there's not the slightest claim to independent notability. Seyasirt (talk) 16:54, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Niavaran Complex. desmay (talk) 14:31, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per rationals above. Sadads (talk) 16:34, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge though a proper search, even in English, show there are a number of mentions such as this one. Obviously "Niavaran library" is the best term to start searching with. Poor WP:BEFORE! Johnbod (talk) 00:56, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 02:11, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

M P Chaudhary[edit]

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Apparently non-notable mathematician, highest citation on Scholar is 14. Article is an autobiography, most of it unsourced, and some of it apparently not without an element of fantasy: he claims to have been the "Albert Einstein Chair Professor of Mathematical Sciences", but the only hits on Google for that position (or variants thereof) relate to this person. Of course, if he holds or has held a named professorship, that would be an automatic pass of WP:NPROF. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 14:32, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The article claims that he is a "Fellow of [the] International Academy of Bisosciences [sic]". This organization doesn't even seem to have a website any more, but going to the Wayback Machine finds what looks to be a list of journals they published. These were then subsumed by Nexus Academic Publishers, a probable predatory company. So, don't be fooled. Also, the opening sentence is a copyvio of his website ("working on Number Theory, especially the fields of interest to Srinivasa Ramanujan"). And those 14 citations on Google Scholar? He's coauthor on all of them. He appears to be the same M. P. Chaudhary who co-authored "On identification of the nature of triangle by new approach" (no, just read it), since both its acknowledgements and his website mention a stay at Julius-Maximilians-Universitat, Wurzburg in 2014. XOR'easter (talk) 23:14, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Beyond the failure of academic notability there's a more basic failure of verifiability. The "International Scientific Research and Welfare Organization" listed here as his affiliation doesn't seem to exist separately from him, the second organization, the "Centre for Mathematical Sciences", is a deadlink from 2008, and its archived copy doesn't mention Chaudhary. It is difficult not to conclude (also from the interesting piece of writing linked above) that much of this is simply made up. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:12, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails notability criteria. So said The Great Wiki Lord. (talk) 03:36, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There's no indication that WP:GNG is met and I don't see anything to convince me that WP:NPROF is met. Lots of puffery, vague statements (e.g., "visited...prestigious universities"), and the problems already mentioned in previous comments all lead me to the same conclusion--there's no independent verifiable evidence than any notability criteria is met. Papaursa (talk) 21:26, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and salt. As mentioned above, apart from the lack of notability, there are also significant WP:V issues here. E.g. the lead says that ``He has authored more than 150 research papers and 35 books and monographs". MathSciNet only lists 33 publications by the subject (with the grand total of 1 citation). MathSciNet indexes almost everything published in mathematics, so it is hard to imagine that they would have missed over a 100 publications by the subject. Nsk92 (talk) 17:58, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Because of the nature of the field, the expected citation numbers for notable mathematicians are lower than in biomedicine, but he does not meet even the most minimal standard. DGG ( talk ) 01:30, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 02:12, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Pillus[edit]

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I have found no evidence that this type of pasta is exists, an unreferenced tag was placed almost a decade ago on this page, however since then no one has been able to find a source that verifies this pasta type exists. A notability tag was placed around two years ago and yet no one has been able to find information about this topic. Links to Wikibooks and Wikimedia turn up nothing; no information can be found of this presumably non-existent pasta. Something important to note is that this page was created by User:Starzynka, who was blocked indefinitely. One look on this users talk page reveals he has had approximately 450 of his created pages deleted or speedy deleted, primarily due to them being poorly written stubs which violated WP:V and WP:N. I believe Pillus is just another one of these pages, and should've been deleted a long time ago. Despite this, there may be a source somewhere, however this page would most likely still violate WP:N. RussianAfroMan (talk) 13:04, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Did you look in Encyclopedia of Pasta or numerous other books? Keep. SpinningSpark 14:38, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yummy
Weak Delete Just because the form of pasta exists, doesn't necessarily make it article-worthy. If there's no coverage or mention of the pasta in reliable sources - if all we can produce about it are mere sentences - it probably doesn't warrant an article. Amenable to having my mind changed if more mentions of it could be found. Flip^and Flopped ツ 15:29, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

With the new sources added, looks better. Weak keep Flip^and Flopped ツ 19:37, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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@Flipandflopped: I've added four sources to the article and eight encyclopaedic facts. Besides the sources I've added, this book, La cucina sarda di mare, describes twelve different pillus recipes. It is clearly an important part of Sardinian cuisine. SpinningSpark 20:18, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. on the basis of the added material. DGG ( talk ) 01:28, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination is plainly incorrect and poorly reasoned, and we have a sowball of unanimous keep votes, so this can just be closed right now. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:49, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy Wales Foundation[edit]

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Not famous organisation. It is not passing guidelines. Jackfield1122 (talk) 12:46, 8 October 2018 (UTC)— Jackfield1122 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Jackfield1122 (talk) 12:44, 8 October 2018 (UTC) Blocked Sock--DBig Xrayᗙ 19:00, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, plenty of major media references. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:51, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above has coverage from major media outlets.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 12:59, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep since the subject is notable, and has been covered in reliable sources. Thanks, Knightrises10 talk 13:23, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as has coverage in multiple reliable sources such as The Jerusalem Post and The Huffington Post that are already in the article, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 15:30, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. This foundation has got attention from reliable independent sources and thus satisfies WP:ORGIN.Vinodbasker (talk) 16:15, 8 October 2018 (UTC)*[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 08:25, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Waleed Tariq Saigol[edit]

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Unelected MP, and an interim cabinet minister. As discussed at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people)#Caretaker_cabinet_members, I don't think interim cabinet minister are something that would be expected to have an article on English Wikipedia, unless pass GNG.

Subject also lacks non-trivial coverage from independent reliable sources and therefore does not appear to meet basic GNG as well Saqib (talk) 12:02, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as unelected MPs are not considered notable, unless they have received coverage from reliable news sources. The subjects hasn't received that, and therefore is not notable. Regards, Knightrises10 talk 18:36, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. While strictly speaking the notability test for a politician is the holding of a notable office rather than the question of whether he was elected or appointed to it, I have to agree that "caretaker" ministers, generally civil servants who held the office solely by virtue of being the top person in the line of succession between the end of the previous holder's term and the appointment or election of the official new permanent holder, are not entitled to the same automatic presumption of notability that a regular cabinet minister would get. If he could be sourced well enough to clear WP:GNG, then things would be different — but the mere inclusion of his name in a list of all the caretaker ministers who took office at the same time is not enough sourcing to deem him notable all by itself. Bearcat (talk) 22:38, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) JC7V-constructive zone 17:47, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2019 IAAF World Cross Country Championships[edit]

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WP:TOOSOON. This events is 6 months away and full of red links. Not likely to have any additional information until March of next year. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 03:10, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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comment if the timetable is already published then maybe not too soon? --Pelmeen10 (talk) 01:54, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. We know it's going to happen and it will be a major event. Perhaps the available content doesn't really justify an article yet, but I don't see a major problem with leaving it to develop. --Michig (talk) 08:49, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
keep agree with Michig. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 08:55, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:CRYSTAL - an upcoming (notable) event that is likely to take place. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 08:11, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per above reasons, a scheduled notable world championships event. It has an Official website and an internet search overwrites WP:TOOSOON as it already shows enough secondary sources for the article to exist (insidethegames.biz, Fast Running, The Copenhagen Post newspaper, Business Standard to name a few). 94.208.106.53 (talk) 17:02, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. After two full relistings, no consensus for a particular outcome has emerged herein. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:20, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Amrapali Jewels[edit]

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Fails WP:NCORP.Certainly quite popular among-st celebrities but I can't care less. ∯WBG^converse 14:22, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - strictly promotional article. Rogermx (talk) 16:11, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:SOAP. Callmemirela  ^talk 19:46, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY and WP:GNG. The promo issues have been fixed and reliable sources have been added. The Jewellery brand has stores in India, Pakistan, New York and London. The brand has in depth coverage across several mainstream newspapers such as Express Tribune, The Week UK, Daily News and Analysis, Outlook (magazine) and other sites.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5] The brand also operates a museum of Indian jewellery in Jaipur.^[6]^[7] --DBig Xrayᗙ 21:40, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "DNA Mumbai Anniversary: Indulgence is now on a roll". 28 July 2018.
^ "Amrapali opens first store in Pakistan - The Express Tribune". Express Tribune. 4 December 2015.
^ "Tarang Arora: The story of Amrapali". The Week Portfolio.
^ "Amrapali launches 'Baahubali' jewelry at Hyderabad store". financialexpress. 28 April 2017.
^ "Tarang Arora on history and journey of Amrapali Jewels : Luxury Market: Business Today". www.businesstoday.in.
^ "Amrapali Museum Pays Tribute to its Heritage". Outlook. Retrieved 1 October 2018.
^ "This beloved Indian jewellery brand is opening a museum in Jaipur". 19 January 2018.

GNG is irrelevant, as to those entities that need to pass WP:NCORP.I guess the difference between NCORP and other SNGs are self-evident, as to the absence of certain phrases in NCORP:-)
We need intellectually independent reporting rather than verbatim statements that stems out from the mouth of the folks at helm.Fails WP:ORGIND.
Hardly any significant coverage about the company and covers the launching of a store.Fails WP:ORGDEPTH.
This fails both ORGIND and ORGDEPTH.Much of the statements about the company is sourced to the chief of their distribution-partner.Also colorful puffery like two young graduates with a passion for ancient history and a vision for re-introducing long forgotten jewellery designs and manufacturing techniques to the world hardly convince me any.
This is the sole one of some significance but the article is about a museum owned by the jewelry company.I fail to see how can it contribute to establish notability about the company-itself.

Best,∯WBG^converse 16:38, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment in addition to my Keep vote above, here are more in-depth sources from New York Times, calling it one of India’s largest jewelry houses^[1] The Hindu,^[2] Outlook (magazine)^[3] Livemint^[4] ^[5] Deccan Chronicle^[6] New Indian Express^[7]^[8]--DBig Xrayᗙ 17:17, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think, an article on the museum is probably most-merited, than an article on the entire brand:-) ∯WBG^converse 03:40, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "In Homage to India's Jewel Culture". New York Times.
^ Stephen, Rosella (11 December 2017). "Amrapali Museum to open next January in Jaipur". The Hindu – via www.thehindu.com.
^ Business, Outlook. "Star Jeweller - Amrapali Jewels". Outlook. {{cite web}}: |last= has generic name (help)
^ Chhibber, Vatsala (23 February 2018). "Fancy a ruby-studded back scratcher?". Livemint.
^ "Jewels from a museum". Livemint. 25 March 2018.
^ "Treasures from the past". Deccan Chronicle. 1 April 2018.
^ "A home for heritage". New Indian Express.
^ "The 10 pieces you need to see at Jaipur's Amrapali Museum". 1 March 2018.

The wide coverage of the one of India’s largest jewelry houses e.g. [16] that spans a period of 40 years and makes this brand article a notable one, obviously merits its own article. --DBig Xrayᗙ 09:27, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ORGIND. ∯WBG^converse 12:07, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

New york times is not a SPS, none of the sources listed above are WP:SPS, all are independent with coverage of the subject in great detail following WP:SIGCOV. --DBig Xrayᗙ 00:34, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Keep !voters above do not appear to be fully familiar with the criteria for establishing notability. References should always be from reliable sources and must be intellectually independent. None of the sources mentioned pass WP:ORGIND as they are either based on company announcements or rely on quotations/interviews.

For example, the author of the Financial Express article shows that it is a syndicated piece from the Indo-Asian News Service with no named journalist - therefore arguably fails as a reliable source. The exact same article is also published by the Business Standard, Yahoo and lots of others. The first sentence says at its store here which indicates the article is based on the launch/company announcement and is therefore classified as "dependent coverage". Furthermore, a variant is published by Ind Today which includes much of the shorter article published by the Financial Express. It is noteworthy that from this longer article, we can see that the article (which also has no author) includes additional information including quotations from the co-founder. From WP:ORGIND, Independent content, in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. Clearly, these articles are not intellectually independent and fails ORGIND.
As another example, the Tribune article is based on a relatively straight-forward corporate event - the opening of a new store - with phrases such as "Amrapali Jewels, a brand whose legacy precedes it"; "have been working tirelessly" to get the store in Pakistan for the past three years" and "With the price range falling between Rs2,500 and Rs300,000, Amrapali offers a versatile range that can be donned with western and eastern outfits." Most telling is that the store opening was also covered by diamondworld.net (different "author") and contains a summarized version of the exact same information. Amazingly it also uses the exact same phrases! Clearly, this is not "intellectually independent" and was produced in conjunction with the company - hence the exact same phrases turning up in "different" publications.

Therefore references fail the criteria for establishing notability, topic fails GNG and WP:NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 13:03, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Lucas, Andrew; Bhatt, Nirupa; Singhania, Manoj; Sachdeva, Kashish; Hsu, Tao; Padua, Pedro (Winter 2016). "Jaipur, India: The Global Gem and Jewelry Power of the Pink City". Gems & Gemology. Vol. 52, no. 4. Gemological Institute of America. pp. 356–358. Archived from the original on 2018-10-07. Retrieved 2018-10-07.
  This is a 1,181-word profile of Amrapali Jewels.
  The article notes:
  
  Amrapali Jewels. Unlike other Jaipur companies that date back to the 1700s, Amrapali Jewels was started in 1978 by two entrepreneurial history students, Rajiv Arora and Rajesh Ajmera. Both men wanted to start a business that incorporated Indian culture and history, which they found could be expressed through jewelry. They started the business with no long-term business model, just a few hundred rupees in their pockets and a passion.
  The two traveled to remote villages in Rajasthan, Gujarat, and Orissa and sought out one-of-a-kind tribal jewelry to recreate in their vision. These pieces could be purchased in secondhand stores and pawnshops for very little money, often just 10% over the metal value. Much of the jewelry they created contained compo- nents of the original piece. After purchasing a necklace with 24 drop pendants, they would turn the piece into 12 earring pairs and sell to 12 customers rather than one. By following this strategy they were able to get more customers and higher profit margins. (Indeed, one of the history student founders was also a business school graduate.) Their original store in Jaipur, a 150- square-foot shop at the end of a quiet street, was the least expensive place they could find. At first the two partners made everything by hand. In 1981 they hired a craftsman, and that was the start of growing the business.
  Amrapali brought the tribal motif into the realm of high-end fashionable jewelry, attracting Bollywood celebrities and other sophisticated customers. The first Mumbai store, opened at the end of the 1980s, was in an upscale shopping area that catered to a trendsetting clientele. The brand name Amrapali be- came synonymous with this tribal designer look. The jewelry styles remained closely related to those of each individual tribe’s unique design elements but also reflected Amrapali’s own influences. One example, the Panna collection, features carved emeralds in floral designs (figure 32).
  Along with the flagship store on Mirza Ismail Road, which is considered the Fifth Avenue of Jaipur, stores were also opened in Delhi and Bangalore, and franchises were formed. Amrapali’s growing e-commerce business is designed to reach the consumer globally and directly. The export business also began growing due to strong international interest in the tribal-inspired designs. By 2002 these collections were available in Selfridges, an upscale department store in London (Kaushik, 2014). Amrapali is now sold in Harrods of London and in retail stores other than the brand’s own. There are 36 global retail outlets, 28 of them in India and eight outside the coun- try, with an office in New York City. In addition to its own products, the company manufactures jewelry for other brands.
2. Taknet, DJ (2013). Grover, Razia; Bhardwaj, Nandita; Arora, Monica (eds.). Jaipur: Gem of India. Jaipur: International Institute of Management and Entrepreneurship. ISBN 978-1-942322-05-4. Retrieved 2018-10-07.
  The book notes:
  
  For jewellery aficionados across the world, Amrapali is not only an ornament brand but also a cult that has revolutionised the world of beauty and glamour. Ethnic yet contemporary, modern yet classic, delicately crafted jewellery from the house of Amrapali has made Jaipur a centre-stage of fashion. Since its inception in 1978, Amrapali has won a fan club of international celebrities like Paris Hilton, Queen Latifah, Queen of Bhutan Ashi Wangchuck and Israeli president Shimon Peres. For several famous families like Hermes, Corum, Porche and Barbie-Muller, Amrapali has been a frequent and valuable jeweller, whom clients visit again and again. Amrapali has also caught the imagination of glamorous stars of Hollywood and Bollywood. It won the proffered jewellery brand endorsed by international celebrities for the Academy Awards' Red Carpet, in 2010. It is the only Indian jewellery house to present its collection in the Fashion Weeks of Milan and New York. Leading stores like Juicy Couture, John Lewis, Banana Republic, Cost Plus, World Market and many more stock its unique pieces. Amrapali is the first Indian jewellery brand, which is also available at Harrods.
3. de Bruyn, Pippa; Venkatraman, Niloufer; Bain, Keith (2006). Frommer's India (2 ed.). Hoboken, New Jersey: John Wiley & Sons. pp. 396–397. ISBN 978-0-7645-9899-9. Retrieved 2018-10-07.
  The book notes:
  
  In 1980, two young entrepreneurs, Rajesh Ajmera and Rajiv Arora, saw a gap in the market and started adapting traditional jewelry styles to appeal to a broader international market. Conveniently situated near Panch Batti and the city gate that leads into Jauhri Bazaar, Amrapali is famous for its tribal silver jewelry, but the gold showroom also contains some rare examples of kundan jewelry, a technique in which each gem is set by pressing fine strips of highly purified gold around it. Depending on how much you spend, you may be able to negotiate a discount.
4. Moore, Booth (2017). Where Stylists Shop: The Fashion Insider's Ultimate Guide. New York: Simon & Schuster. p. 365. ISBN 978-1-68245-032-1. Retrieved 2018-10-07.
  The book notes:
  
  One of India's most well-known jewelry brands, Amrapali was founded in 1978 by Rajesh Ajmera and Rajiv Arora. The brand is influenced by the country's varied cultural traditions, as interpreted by 1,200 craftsmen. Amrapali jewelry is available in more than 36 outlets. You can find everything from a pair of gold-plate floral jaali hoop earrings for less than $50 to a multicolored sapphire bangle for $10,000.
5. Sebastian, Sunny (2012-05-14). "Pink City jewellery brand Amrapali nominated for international award". The Hindu. Archived from the original on 2018-10-07. Retrieved 2018-10-07.
  The article notes:
  
  The Pink City's own jewellery brand Amrapali has been nominated for the prestigious Andrea Palladio International Jewellery Awards. The brand is nominated in the category of the Best International Jewellery Brand Collection, which places it along with the big names in world jewellery such as Tiffany & Co, Brumani, H. Stern and Van Cleef & Arpels.
  The Andrea Palladio International Jewellery Awards are instituted by the Fiera di Vicenza.
  Amrapali Jewels, started by Rajeev Arora and Rajesh Ajmera in 1978, has also been invited to the “red carpet” with other guests at the gala evening to be held in Venice on May 19 with a private viewing of the “Diane Vreeland after Diane Vreeland” Exhibition at Palazzo Fortuny, followed by an exclusive dinner at La Fenice Theatre.
6. Apcar, Camilla (2016-01-17). "The house built on 400 rupees". Financial Times. Archived from the original on 2018-10-07. Retrieved 2018-10-07.
  The article notes:
  
  Tarang Arora has not been sleeping well, yet the cause of his restless nights is not the stress from his job as chief executive and creative director of the Jaipur-based fine jeweller Amrapali. On the contrary, it is the rather welcome one of the birth of his first child, a boy.
  For a family-owned jeweller — Amrapali was founded in 1978 by Mr Arora’s father, Rajiv, and his friend, Rajesh Ajmera — this is significant news. Will Mr Arora’s son eventually take over from his father? “I hope so — let’s see what he would like to do,” says Mr Arora.
  Mr Arora’s father and Mr Ajmera began the company with 400 rupees in their pockets — in today’s values about £4. Fascinated by antiques and history, the pair bought a second-hand car and travelled India’s states, from Rajhastan to Gujarat, buying jewellery from small village pawn shops and discovering the traditions and craftsmanship of different local styles.
  They amassed more than 2,500 pieces of antique jewellery, particularly silver traditional designs. Mr Arora says that in his father’s hands, one necklace might then be transformed into a dozen earrings. “It was entrepreneurship at a very initial stage,” he says. Today that process has been reversed — every day the brand is offered jewels and antiques from all over India.
7. Sissons, Jemima (2013-11-14). "Amrapali: By the Light of the Silvery Moon". The Wall Street Journal. Archived from the original on 2018-10-07. Retrieved 2018-10-07.
  The article notes:
  
  WHEN RAJIV ARORA and Rajesh Ajmera were starting Amrapali, their luxury Indian jewelry brand, more than 30 years ago, in their spare time they would travel throughout India, buying up stunning one-off pieces from remote villages and tribal markets. They are now setting up a museum in Jaipur to showcase some of their most exceptional finds, offering a unique insight into the jewelry and ornaments worn by the tribespeople of rural India.
8. Marwaha, Aastika (2018-01-19). "This beloved Indian jewellery brand is opening a museum in Jaipur". Vogue India. Archived from the original on 2018-10-07. Retrieved 2018-10-07.
  The article notes:
  
  The Pink City has a new addition to its already impressive list of gems. Founders of Jaipur-based jewellery house Amrapali Jewels, Rajiv Arora and Rajesh Ajmera, are all set to throw open the doors to the Amrapali Museum of Jewellery, a 6,500sqft space which will house a mix of rare jewellery and other collectibles painstakingly curated over four decades.
  For Arora and Ajmera, the passion for collecting jewellery dates back to as long ago as their college years and it was this passion that lead them to open the museum. At the sprawling space, expect to find everything from fine jewellery to silver antiques and exquisite curios. Think rosewater sprinklers, plates, tea sets, ornate shoe covers and even an extravagant silver-covered chariot. What’s more? At the gift shop, visitors can get their hands on vintage silver pieces, much like the ones on display.
9. Liu, Ming (2017-03-24). "In Homage to India's Jewel Culture". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 2018-10-07. Retrieved 2018-10-07.
  The article notes:
  
  For Rajiv Arora and Rajesh Ajmera, founders of Amrapali, one of India’s largest jewelry houses, their country’s heritage has not only influenced their modern designs, it also has led to the creation of a museum.
  Traveling the subcontinent as history graduates in the early 1980s, Mr. Arora and Mr. Ajmera were inspired to create a contemporary jewelry brand after discovering for themselves India’s rich heritage in the decorative arts. Over the next 35 years, they amassed some 3,000 examples: from 500-year-old “rural village” creations, Mr. Arora said, to contemporary designs like a circa-1960 silver, gold and glass Araipatta waist band.
  Their collection now will be housed in a 6,500-square-foot space, an annex to Amrapali’s corporate headquarters in Jaipur, scheduled to open next month. They say it will be the first museum of its kind in India’s gem capital.
10. Agarwal, Preeta (2012-07-17). "Stars the world over shine in Amrapali". The Jewellery Editor. Archived from the original on 2018-10-07. Retrieved 2018-10-07.
  The article notes:
  
  Started in 1978 in Jaipur by two young post graduates of Ancient Indian History and Culture Amrapali is now well recognised as the epitome of handcrafted Indian jewellery. Owners of a great collection of Tribal & Ethnic Silver Mr. Rajesh Ajmera and Mr. Rajiv Arora lay the foundation of their company by collecting old pieces from remote interiors of India. They used elements of Ethnic Indians Jewellery in their designs and revived the traditional methods to incorporate in their pieces, creating a design language distinct to Amrapali. Each one is a handcrafted one-of-a-kind piece destined to be treasured.
  ...
  Amrapali was introduced to international market by making its benchmark at a high-end department store Selfridges in London and presently at Harrods. It was the only Indian Jewellery House that was also Official Jewellery Sponsors for the Milan Fashion Week 2003. Today, they have over 25 selling points within India in various formats such as exclusive outlets, shop in shop and showrooms in various famous forts of India. They also have a presence in UK, USA, Sri Lanka, Nigeria and Spain. With such success it comes as no surprise to see that Amrapali has created a fan club, with American businesswoman & socialite Paris Hilton, Queen Latifah, Maharani Padmini Devi and Princess Diya of the Jaipur Royal family, Mr. & Mrs. Ram Goolam (PM Mauritius), Queen of Bhutan Ashi Wangchuck, Israel President Shimon Peres. Known families like Hermes, Corum, Porche, and Barbie-Muller are also on the list.
11. Mubarak, Salva (2017-02-23). "10 jewellery stores to check out the next time you're shopping online". Elle. Archived from the original on 2018-10-07. Retrieved 2018-10-07.
  The article notes:
  
  Amrapali. Mumbai-based designer Nitya Arora founded her label Valliyan in 2008, creating a distinct theatrical style that is now associated with her brand. Arora calls herself a 'mad scientist' when it comes to experimenting with designs and nothing is off-limits. She believes that the country is slowly realizing that jewellery can be more than just an investment and that has contributed to the sudden growth in fashion jewellery in the market. This 'mad' exploration of designs and materials often result in pieces that cannot be replicated, so you have a good chance of ending up with a one-of-its-kind Valliyan piece. Don't miss out on the famous shoulder dusters and large hoops on her website.
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Amrapali Jewels to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 04:24, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Response Cunard please stop posting these overly long posts. Your style of linking is great and appreciated but there's no need for you to include so much text. A one or two line summary is far better. Also, please take a read of WP:ORGIND - in particular what "independent" means. You appear to not understand the meaning of "intellectually independent" as most of your links (on AfDs related to organizations) fail this test - Too often a related party produces a narrative that is then copied, regurgitated, and published in whole or in part by independent parties (as exemplified by churnalism). Independent content, in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. Also, you appear to deliberately ignore parts of articles that categorically state they are based on sources affiliated with the subject and omit quotations/interviews from your selections in an attempt to make the article appear intellectually independent.

This article "Jaipur, India: The Global Gem and Jewelry Power of the Pink City" states at the beginning Many of these were family businesses, and we were able to interview multiple generations in preparing case studies. The authors conducted numerous interviews with their ownership, management, and production crews and collected over 80 hours of video and more than 10,000 photos. The profile of Amrapali Jewels is a copy-and-paste of nearly every other article on the company including their history, their style, their market and customers, their prices. All photos are "courtesy of Amrapali". This is pure churnalism and fails WP:ORGIND.
This book "Jaipur: Gem of India" does a small profile piece on a number of "Contemporary Design Houses" in Jaipur and lists 22 firms. The tone of the article is purely promotional and your extract clearly demonstrates and not intellectually independent and fails WP:ORGIND. It also provides no corporate details and fails WP:CORPDEPTH.
The Frommers book is also not intellectually independent and is little more than a travel directory listing hotels and shops. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH.
"Where Stylists Shop: The Fashion Insider's Ultimate Guide" is also simply a travel/shopping directory. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH.
The article "Pink City jewellery brand Amrapali nominated for international award" is based on an announcement that the company was nominated for an award (which they didn't win). It is not intellectually independent as it contains no original information clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated with the subject and fails WP:ORGIND. Since it is based on an announcement by an affiliated source (and also contains no corporate information) it fails WP:CORPDEPTH.
The FT article "The house build on 400 rupees"] is clearly based on an interview with the CEO, therefore fails WP:ORGIND. If you had familiarised yourself with ORGIND as asked countless times, you would have known this already.
The WSJ article "Amrapali: By the Light of the Silvery Moon" has very little to do with the company as it focuses on the opening of a museum. It is also based on a company announcement. Fails both WP:ORGIND and WP:CORPDEPTH.
The Vogue article fails for the same reasons.
The NYT article fails for the same reasons.
The article in The Jewellery Editor is churnalism and entirely promotional. The source is also a small niche online publication. There is nothing here that indicates anything original or independent.
The Elle article "10 jewellery stores to check out the next time you're shopping online" is simply another online shopping directory and contains no corporate information, fails WP:CORPDEPTH.

Overwhelmingly, the articles are promotional, all contain the same style of opening referring to the two founders, most are entirely promotional with no indications of any original and independent content, just a regurgitation of the brand message. HighKing⁺⁺ 19:30, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The 1,181-word profile of Amrapali Jewels from the peer-reviewed journal Gems & Gemology is not "pure churnalism". It is a well-researched overview of Amrapali's history and business. No other sources I've found go into as much detail and research as this profile so it is not "a copy-and-paste of nearly every other article on the company". There is independent analysis in the article about Amrapali and the economy. An example:
With the challenging global economic conditions over the last several years, the international sales volume has actually increased through lower-priced pieces, including base metal fashion jewelry and silver jewelry, which is less expensive and easier to sell and often has a higher profit margin. Amrapali’s silver jewelry often contains lower-priced colored gemstones, and the base metal jewelry incorporates crystal and other imitations.
The Jaipur: Gem of India book source has a positive tone but it is an independently researched overview of the company. There is no evidence that the information is based on content from Amrapali. It does provide corporate details such as Amrapali was founded in 1978, its products are used by international celebrities including Paris Hilton, Queen Latifah, Queen of Bhutan Ashi Wangchuck and Israeli president Shimon Peres, it presented at Fashion Weeks of Milan and New York in 2010 and was the only Indian jewellery company to do so, and it is sold in the stores Juicy Couture, John Lewis, Banana Republic, Cost Plus, and World Market. There is enough information to meet WP:CORPDEPTH, which requires "mak[ing] it possible to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub about the organization".
Regarding the other sources, I disagree that interviews with company employees render the entire articles non-independent.
Cunard (talk) 20:32, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Response It is difficult to look at the 1,181 word article as anything but pure churnalism. All the photos are "courtesy of Amrapali". The history "started in 1978 by two entrepreneurial students" is repeated in every other "article" on the company. Comments like "They started the business with no long-term business model, just a few hundred rupees in their pockets and a passion" is typical fairy-story poor-men-done-good promotion. If you read again the definition
Independent content, in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject.
there is nothing in this article that is clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated with the subject. All of the "facts" undoubtedly are provided by Amrapali. The piece you highlight starting "With the challenging global economic conditions..." is not the start of the paragraph. It starts by saying "Fifteen years ago, 60% to 70% of Amrapali's business was in exports, but today that number represents the company's domestic sales". Now do you honestly think that Amrapali, a private company, threw open its accounting ledgers and allowed some journalists to make that calculations as an act of independent research? That's absurd. It is obvious that all the facts and figures were provided to the journalists. You concede that the book "has a positive tone" but it is far more than merely "positive", it is gushing. It's a PR piece, plain and simple, and every single fact, figure, projection, etc, was provided by the company for publication, along with photographs and prices. The article ends with the standard forward-looking "Amrapali believes that the market .... will continue to grow". This is not "intellectually independent" by any stretch of the imagination and fails WP:ORGIND. HighKing⁺⁺ 18:06, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Multiple Independent sources showing WP:SIGCOV have been produced[17] to Justify the notabilty.--DBig Xrayᗙ 00:34, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Response Nothing in that article] meets WP:CORPDEPTH since 1) it isn't even about the company and 2) it is dicussing how the founders are opening a museum. Please note that notability is not inherited. HighKing⁺⁺ 11:46, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Fashion, and perhaps even more jewelry, is a subject area where a great deal of what is published is hype and coi, and if we are going to cover it at all we need to accept some degree of it. And it is also true that in these areas Indian news sources especially, tend to at least look like promotionalism . The nature of the sources we use needs to suit the subject. The basic idea behind WP:GNG and NCORP is whether RSs not given to hype publish about it, and they do, such as the NYT article which discusses the company, and the founder also, and the museum. (Personally I'd prefer more objective standards, but since the consensus is still to use mainly the GNG, we need to be realistic about it, not use every possible excuse to avoid covering a company. My comments at various afds have to some degree contributed to the tightening of the NCORP standard, but carrying it to this extent is absurd--perhaps we have over-reacted. ) (and the photos are of course all by courtesy of the firm--how could it be otherwise--these are proprietary designs!) DGG ( talk ) 04:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kpg jhp jm 16:53, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Anna Chiappe[edit]

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There's no claim of notability other than her marriage to José Carlos Mariátegui. The only hit on a Bing search is a picture on Flickr - posted in the context of her husband. The source provided is about her husband with a passing mention of Chiappe (as Anita) in a footnote. Redirect to José Carlos Mariátegui. Cabayi (talk) 09:28, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I found https://books.google.ca/books?id=_oQ4DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA78 which appears to confirm that her role was a supporter, not so much a collaborator of Mariátegui, although it's more complicated than that. Her notability comes from her efforts to disseminate the work of her late husband, not her marriage. She is the recipient of a notable award, the Order of the Sun of Peru. --Vexations (talk) 12:37, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, Was Chiappe awarded the medal or did she accept it on behalf of Mariátegui (see here)? if she is the recipient than she meets WP:ANYBIO. Coolabahapple (talk) 23:50, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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If not kept (about which I have no view), Merge to José Carlos Mariátegui rather than delete. Her notability seems to be derived from that of her husband, in keeping his archives and campaigning to preserve his memory. This could be dealt with in a new section of his article dealing with family and posterity. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:06, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:GNG per articles in multiple publications. There are multiple blog hits on a DuckDuckGo search, and they reference multiple lengthy third-party sources. wumbolo ^^^ 10:36, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Wumbolo. Passes GNG. Regards, Knightrises10 talk 11:31, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep.Found reliable sources and qualifies the notability WP:ANYBIO and she has received the award.Vinodbasker (talk) 16:26, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I can understand why this was nommed (due to article state), however she is covered by multiple RSes per my BEFORE - numerous books as well as current news reporting. Icewhiz (talk) 08:08, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Operation Site Down. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:52, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Centropy[edit]

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Non-notable movie piracy group. All sources in the article, and elsewhere that I've been able to find, simply mention this in a list of other similar groups caught in an FBI crackdown. This does not amount to substantial coverage. Reyk _YO! 12:13, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. no evidence of notability, but there may be a placet o redirect it to. DGG ( talk ) 04:00, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Operation Site Down (with the history preserved under the redirect) where Centropy is already mentioned. DGG is correct that there is a place to redirect it. Centropy's sources include a Time article and a Computer & Internet Lawyer (ISSN 1531-4944) article. Retaining the history will be useful to allow for a merge of its material to Operation Site Down. Cunard (talk) 07:21, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Consensus herein is for the article to be retained. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:25, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Music Is the Weapon[edit]

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This article invites additions of hoax and unsourced content and the album hasn't released yet after three years. In the previous AFD, an editor argued that sources such as [18][19][20][21] are sufficient for the article to pass the WP:GNG. However, these are just passing mentions about an unreleased Major Lazer album reportedly titled "Music Is the Weapon". These sources do not discuss the subject significantly or in-depth, which is required by the GNG. The content is better off merged into the band's article per WP:NALBUMS, which states "a standalone article is only appropriate when there is enough material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged into the artist's article or discography," and per WP:FUTUREALBUMS - "an album should not have an independent article until its title, track listing and release date have all been publicly confirmed by the artist or their record label." The track listing is still incomplete for this album and there is no confirmed release date. Flooded with them hundreds 07:56, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I've got this in my watchlist: there's a bit of vandalism etc., but not much. For notability, rather than just looking at the four sources mentioned in the last AfD, just search for it in Google: this album has generated a lot of ongoing speculation in reliable music news sources (i.e. many articles just about the album, not just passing mentions), passing GNG, and I would agree with Sergecross73 from the last AfD that it's comparable to WP:FUTUREALBUMS' Chinese Democracy example (and note that the WP:FUTUREALBUMS quote mentioned above is prefixed by "generally", as well as the example I mentioned for high profile unreleased albums – the purpose of this guideline seems to be for cases where fans of a minor band start an article when there's nothing to say yet – the expansive coverage in this case makes me think it doesn't apply). The article is already beyond a stub, so WP:NALBUMS' "articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged into the artist's article or discography" is passed too. ‑‑Yodin^T 11:03, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per my argument in the last AFD just a couple months ago. Entire articles dedicated to the subject by extremely high level sources like Billboard and MTV are enough to pass the WP:GNG. Much of the rest of the nomination is irrelevant - we don’t delete articles just because of the hypothetical concern of fake release dates (that’s something that happens in virtually every article about a commercial product, and it’s an invalid WP:NOTCLEANUP argument.) Additionally, it’s already expanded beyond a stub, so that concern isn’t relevant either. Sergecross73 msg me 13:15, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
From the first section, just the following paragraph has relevance to the album: Major Lazer revealed their fourth album would be called Music Is the Weapon... stated in an interview with Billboard: I shifted my goal to just make singles, because no one really buys our albums, leading the magazine to conclude that Music Is the Weapon may never be released and that Major Lazer will instead periodically release individual songs from the recording sessions.[8] Reports surfaced in January 2018 that the album would be released the following March,[9][10] but it remains unreleased as of September 2018. Most of the content is about alleged songs/singles from the album not the album itself. It's still stubby and could be better off in the band's article. Flooded with them hundreds 13:29, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Songs...discussed in the context of the album. And the albums almost 10k. “Stubby” is a reach. Sergecross73 msg me 18:53, 29 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Still not about the album though. The fact there isn't sufficient content explicitly about the album itself, shows it doesn't satisfactorily meet the WP:GNG and WP:FUTUREALBUMS. Chinese Democracy, months before its release, already had a full non-stub article about the album, so it isn't a great comparison. Also, Major Lazer is just a small side project of Diplo, it's not as big as the Beatles or anything. I wouldn't call this a high-profile release. Flooded with them hundreds 10:16, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Youre cherry-picking difs. Chinese Democracy existed as a stub years before the albums release. And again, this article is already expanded beyond a stub. And being an exact 1:1 comparison to Guns N Roses is not the goal - the point is that it’s getting very high level, dedicated, reliable source coverage, from a musician with a history of internationally charting material. Sergecross73 msg me 14:07, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Major Lazer is just a small side project of Diplo"... woah, hang on there, Flooded with them hundreds - I don't think it's unreasonable to state that the name "Major Lazer" is far more recognised worldwide than Diplo's name, and he certainly hasn't had anything like the worldwide no. 1 successes of "Lean On" or "Light It Up" under his own name... I think it's disingenuous to suggest Major Lazer is just "a small side project". Richard3120 (talk) 19:44, 30 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Frustrated Comment - This discussion will go around in circles interminably, and I know because I was the nominator for the first AfD on this album. The problem is that Wikipedia policy does not acknowledge different types of "not yet released" albums, so arguments for both keeping and deleting this one can be backed up by policy. On multiple occasions I have suggested a new policy that differentiates a future album, with sources confirming that it will really be released on a certain date, from a conjectured album that has been discussed in the press but with no confirmation that it will actually be released, even if the artist or record company said that it has been cancelled or delayed indefinitely. Current Wikipedia policy considers all of these to be "future" albums, and my requests for something new and improved were met with the exact type of circular discussion that we have above. See this for example. Nobody is going to budge on this one. And by the way, I still think Music Is the Weapon should be deleted as something that does not and never will exist, but according to current policy it's notable because it has been discussed in the press. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 13:51, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I will concede that it is frustrating to be discussing this yet again. I'm not sure why the nominator felt this needed to be reopened again so quickly. Its only been a couple months since the last time we discussed it, and nothing has changed at all, in either the subject's status or Wikipedia guidelines on how to handle this. Sergecross73 msg me 15:38, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Per this - "Genius has since taken down the album's release date and removed a number of the tracks from the page. Sources now say the information originally posted was inaccurate" shows that a number of reliable sources are retracting their articles because they were initially based on the Genius' report, which is now proven inaccurate. There is no good reason to keep this article which has been stubby with poor content for few years. I'm not seeing how this passes the WP:GNG because most of the sources are only passing mentions (i.e. the title of this album is Music Is the Weapon, the release date of Music Is the Weapon is unconfirmed). After cleaning up the article by removing content with iTunes sources, the article is just a single paragraph with an infobox. I don't see why this cannot be placed in the group's article. It only encourages fans to add unsourced content and unconfirmed tracks. Flooded with them hundreds 07:39, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Again, you're making a lot sweeping generalizations that aren't really reflective of reality here. Dedicated sources =/= passing mentions, and sources writing retractions/updates to their articles doesn't change the fact that the coverage happened. Additionally, information being retracted doesn't mean automatic deletion - retractions can be worth mentioning as well. Sergecross73 msg me 12:35, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Serge, you are a respected longtime colleague and you know what you're talking about with WP policies. But the nominator is not the only one making generalizations. If I read your comments correctly, you contend that any media comments on how the album won't be released are merely speculation. Well, media comments that it will be released are also speculation. What's the difference? The album's existence is pure speculation all the way, even in that Forbes article below. Therefore it does not exist and can be mentioned as a historical development at the artist's article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 13:22, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you're quite following what I was trying to convey. To clarify, as long as the content is reliably sourced and directly attributed to the reliable sources, I'm not particularly opposing any content's inclusion. I don't care if we have 20 reliable sources writing dedicated articles saying the album doesn't exist or will never release. They're still providing coverage that satisfies the WP:GNG. Perhaps you misunderstood my comments about handling retractions/updates? My point was, lets say a source reports something, then retracts it later. The nominator is proposing erasing any mention of it at all. I'm proposing tweaking the wording to "X was initially reported, but later clarified as false" or whatever prose one would use to capture what happened. It's not that I'm trying to capture one side of the story, but actually both sides, that it was both reported and then revised. Sergecross73 msg me 14:03, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Here's another source written this year (showing its not only getting coverage, but sustained coverage over time), by Forbes, written by Hugh McIntyre a writer who has previously written for Billboard, MTV, Fuse, and a bunch of others - definitely a professional writer/journalist. Sergecross73 msg me 12:45, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Here's a running list of sources writing dedicated articles about the album, all sources from WP:RSMUSIC.

(2015) Exclaim
(2017) DJ Mag
(2018) Billboard
(2018) MTV
(2018) Forbes
(2018) Las Vegas Weekly Sergecross73 msg me 13:00, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Except for #5-6, this is the same list of sources used in the last AfD. The first four all predicted possible release dates for the album that have long since come and gone. The two newer articles merely ask the musician where the album is, perhaps missing the musician's own announcement months ago that it will never be released. They may be at reliable sources but they still have to do their research. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 13:22, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the first four sources are what kept the article from being deleted in the first AFD, I did not mean to have it look otherwise, I was just starting up a running total, which wasn't present anywhere at this AFD. Your comments on the two new sources are irrelevant though - speculation on whether or not the reliable sources "did their research" doesn't affect notability discussions, nor is a release required for a subject to be notable. Its enough that these reliable sources wrote articles about the album. I'm not arguing for or against the probability of the album being released - its not the time or the place for that - I'm arguing it meets the WP:GNG. Sergecross73 msg me 13:46, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing ham-fisted about my removing of unsourced and poorly-written content that is blatant WP:BOMBARDMENT. The listed songs are singles but not off the album, thus do not belong in this article. Moreover, there are no confirmed track listing and release date, failing WP:FUTUREALBUM in which the exception "very small number of exceptionally high-profile projects" likely isn't for an album like this by a music group whose studio albums, mixtapes and EPs have never charted in the US top ten. There are a bunch of reliable sources but they only exist because the album is by Major Lazer not because the work is truly notable by itself. Let's not sabotage quality in favor of influencing the outcome of this AfD. Flooded with them hundreds 13:53, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, much of it was very much so ham-fisted. Yes, there is no confirmed track listing, but there are many reliable sources that report the songs in relation to potentially being on the album. I don't care if you remove the iTunes sources or whatever, I'm not trying to pack the refs with junk like that. But hacking all the prose out of the article about the songs, when the sources mention them in the context of the album, is fundamentally wrong. Sergecross73 msg me 14:09, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it looks more like the iTunes sources were just there for release details more than anything, but it's fine, they can be easily replaced. Like this Rolling Stone source, which mentions its release in respect of being a potential track on the album. Thank you, sources like this are actually much better. Sergecross73 msg me 14:25, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Potentially being on the album ≠ being on the album! This is an encyclopedia not a fan site, it is ridiculous to include existing unrelated songs and call them singles from the album simply because some sources say they could be. If there's insufficient material solely about the album, content about possible songs in the context of the album is unnecessary and shouldn't be in the article per WP:PROPORTION. Unless sources call them singles from this particular album, they should be removed. The Rolling Stone piece was written in 2016, obviously outdated so it cannot be used to support the claim. Flooded with them hundreds 15:53, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If reliable sources cover the songs in relation to the album (they do), then so do we. In theory, you can add things like "as of 2016" to the end of things if there are actual doubts about info being outdated, but the Forbes and a number of the other sources still make the claim in in 2017 (Rolling Stone - 2017) and 2018 (Complex - 2018, Idolator - 2018), so that wouldn't be appropriate when the only doubt appears to be your own personal speculation. Sources frequently and consistently associate them to the album, so their discussion in the article is fair game, provided the proper context is given. I've reworked the wording and added these new sources to better articulate this. Sergecross73 msg me 16:06, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A Plea to Admins - As you can clearly see above, this discussion is not only interminable but it's also pitting brother against brother. What we have here is not just an unreleased album but also a blaring example of conflicting policies. For this album, WP policies support both deleting it and keeping it. But this is just one example of a growing trend, especially in rap/R&B, in which a so-called upcoming album is announced but then never happens for years and years. Here are just a few additional examples of the trend: The Baddest (Davido album), Fantasea II: The Second Wave, El Disco Duro, The One (Trina album), The Queen Is Here, Street King Immortal.

So should it actually have its own article as an "album" that exists, or simply be mentioned in the musician's biography as a project that got started but never finished? The answer is: "who the hell knows?" In the past I have called for some sort of policy solution to alleviate this disconnect, to no avail. Admins, please initiate a new policy discussion in the appropriate forum, and I will be there with bells on. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 13:58, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Better sourced than most articles that have never seen an AfD, let alone two. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:40, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- It seems I need to be more clear for some editors. The article meets WP:GNG and so should be kept. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:41, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - For what it’s worth, the article was recently updated with this source an interview released within the last month stating that the album is scheduled for 2019 now. Sergecross73 msg me 18:36, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - definitely passes WP:MUSIC. Ilovereo222 (talk) 18:39, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Great! Pile-on from the music WikiProject. Flooded with them hundreds 05:50, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you’ve been told by multiple people that this nomination was a bad idea, and then you were the one who asked them for more input anyways. That’s what happens when you do that... Sergecross73 msg me 13:24, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: on a basic level, this article passes WP:GNG. We cannot say at present that the album has definitely been shelved, and the recent source from Complex that Sergecross73 posted above would indicate that it is still planned for release, so it's still classified as a future album. But on a wider issue, I have to ask: would it matter even if the album never came out? Surely if it passes GNG with enough reliable sources discussing the record so that a decent Wikipedia article can be created, it's a valid article. Chinese Democracy has been mentioned above – imagine if after 14 years in the works, it had never been released... would we be suggesting that an article with more than 100 references should be merged into the band's article? And the most famous unreleased album of all has an article of more than 130 kB, and could well make GA with a little work – so we have a precedent for articles about unreleased albums. Sure, Music Is the Weapon isn't likely to be as famous or have an article as long and detailed as those two records. But if it's longer than a stub and it's well-referenced enough to pass WP:GNG (which it is), I don't see that it necessarily has to be released in order to have a Wikipedia article. Richard3120 (talk) 01:15, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Over whelming keep consensus. WP:SNOW keep close. (non-admin closure) AmericanAir88^(talk) 15:03, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jeremy Pugh[edit]

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Lack of significance through coverage which may not meet WP:RUGBY and WP:BLP. Sheldybett (talk) 10:30, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep — Is this nomination someone’s idea of a joke? Pugh played several international rugby matches for a Tier 1 rugby nation, so he satisfies WP:NRU. And the article contains several citations to reliable sources, which satisfies WP:GNG. CUA 27 (talk) 12:31, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Has played international Rugby, clearly passes WP:NSPORT! Govvy (talk) 13:45, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, as creator. He meets point 1 of WP:NRU (though I agree that bit of notability guidance is slightly confusing) because he played for his senior national team. Sionk (talk) 21:08, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep clearly meets notability criteria. Open and shut case.Skeene88 (talk) 18:05, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per everyone above. I was very tempted to just WP:SNOW close this rather than express an opinion it's that clear. Thryduulf (talk) 18:11, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:14, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Heatseekers[edit]

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No notable tag team. The sources are WP:ROUTINE, no notable enough. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:27, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - All coverage I am finding is WP:ROUTINE - Galatz גאליץ ^{שיחה Talk} 20:17, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:14, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Iron Empire[edit]

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No notable tag team. The sources are WP:ROUTINE, no notable enough. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:27, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete All sourcing is WP:ROUTINE, fails WP:GNG. - Galatz גאליץ ^{שיחה Talk} 20:18, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agreed. Does not meet WP:GNG and is WP:MILL PoliceSheep99 (talk) 19:52, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Hannan Majid. Perhaps not strictly the consensus, but a reasonable middle ground which has attracted support from both sides of the argument. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:41, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rainbow Collective[edit]

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Small production company, doesn't pass WP:NORG. Sources 3,4,5,6 are self-sourced (and a listing at DIGNItex). Source 1 is a local source covering a documentary they made. Source 2 is about the founders, not the organization. In my BEFORE I was able to find other Rainbow collectives, but not much else on this organization. Icewhiz (talk) 12:29, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning keep. Multitude of cursory mentions, although the best I could find is this [22]. Seems affected by the same problem as most film companies; people gladly write about the films they produce but the company itself attracts little media interest. Still, they are featured in media from UK, Spain, Cambodia, etc., so definitely it's not your local convenience store or cleaning company. — kashmīrī ^TALK 14:33, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There are cursory mentions, but the company must still meet WP:CORPDEPTH which the references fail to do. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:45, 18 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep does have some reliable sources coverage of regional rather than local nature Atlantic306 (talk) 15:45, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
To he precise - there are only 2 possible RSes cited. East End Review is approx. 50% about the company. The South African is about two specific films and not about the compant at all - just mentioning it.Icewhiz (talk) 19:24, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Entirely promotional and fails WP:SPIP, I cannot locate any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. In response to the comment above, this article discusses the films and the film makers and provides no information at all on the company (the subject of this article) and since notability is not inherited, therefore fails WP:CORPDEPTH. The eastendreview reference appears to be an unreliable source. There is no "About Us" or equivalent on the website, no details about journalistic standards, etc, fails WP:RS. Topic therefore fails GNG and WP:NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 16:24, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I think that the article is on a very authentic topic and qualifies wikipedia criteria for articles but need extra data and should be developed from this stub with proper reference,The topic is very relevant as it about DOCUMENTARIES on human and child rights issue wwhich can make very good impact on people in this growing world of media.Vinodbasker (talk) 17:35, 1 October 2018 (UTC)*[reply]
Perhaps - but notability is based on coverage, which in this feel good enterprise does not exist (and feel good enterprises generally get covered) - this is an extremely small company. Icewhiz (talk) 18:11, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: An option to consider is merge to Hannan Majid and redirect which I am happy to support. — kashmīrī ^TALK 06:01, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I would support a redirect to Hannan Majid (whose notability is borderline, but meeting NDIRECTOR is easier than NCORP). The company itself is essentially a 2-man company (Majid and Richard York) - and was created as part of a walled garden around Majid. Icewhiz (talk) 08:04, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge & Redirect -- Hannan Majid is notable and this subject is strongly tied to him. --nafSadh ^{did say} 18:21, 4 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or Redirect per HighKing and Nafsadh. Article as it stands is self-promotional and fails WP:GNG Flip^and Flopped ツ 00:35, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note I have no objection to a merge with Hannan Majid and delete. HighKing⁺⁺ 15:29, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge & Redirect to director Hannan Majid. The sources for the company article are very obscure and very thin, and are a subset of those for his biography. There really isn't any more to say about the company than what is already written about him. There are, however, a few additional pieces about him and his work that don't mention the company (or barely mention it) but could be used to expand his bio and cement his notability (they're referenced in his bio or in its further reading section). --Worldbruce (talk) 02:16, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep with only a quick Googling I found 3 sources from The Guardian which each have significant coverage of the company. Also, 6 of their films have Wikipedia articles: Bafana (2006), AmaZulu: The Children of Heaven (2006), The Machinists (2010), Baghdad Holiday (2010), Tears in the Fabric (2014) and Mass E Bhat (2014). I have added various details and sources to the article and removed inappropriate YouTube and Google Calendar sources. -Lopifalko (talk) 06:59, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Lopifalko: please provide sources that are in-depth and are on the company (and not products - films). As for the wiki articles on the films - they were all created by User:Tanbircdq (presently blocked, I've been reviewing the notability of their article creations) together on 1 Feburary 2015 as part of a Wikipedia:Walled garden around this article - which was created on the same date. As all articles were created by the same (indef blocked) user on the same date - their creation does not indicate notability. I will further note that meeting WP:NFILM is a much lower bar (due to the availability of movie reviews even for small film, and the guideline setting a lower bar) than meeting WP:NORG for a company. Icewhiz (talk) 07:12, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Icewhiz: Thank you for that additional info on the films. I thought that my sources did provide enough depth on the company; not a whole article on the subject, but not just a passing mention:

"This week, another UK event will focus on those left in poverty by Rana Plaza. Open Vizor, War on Want, Traid, and the Rainbow Collective will premiere a new documentary, Tears in the Fabric, to press more brands to pay up and sign the Bangladeshi safety accord. Film-maker Hannan Majid, of the Rainbow Collective, has spent years documenting the garment factories with co-director Richard York."
"One year on from the collapse of the Rana Plaza garment factory in Bangladesh, social justice campaigners and film-makers the Rainbow Collective with Raising for Rana are premiering Tears in the Fabric, a 30-minute documentary focusing on the struggles of one family in the aftermath of the disaster. An open screening on Thursday 24 April at 8.30pm at Regent's University"
"In partnership with Rainbow Collective, they have made a series of citizen journalist films with Cambodian garment workers that are well worth a watch." -Lopifalko (talk) 07:33, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Those 3 guardian refs - you quote from above - are all passing mentions (two of them have other issues - one is a film screening event announcement, and the other is a product listing for Triad - both of which just mention Rainbow as the producer or being in cooperation with) - they clearly fail the significant requirement in WP:ORGCRIT. Icewhiz (talk) 07:37, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 14:58, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Holy Family Professional Schools Foundation[edit]

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(Note: searched on the Spanish name "Fundación Escuelas Profesionales de la Sagrada Familia") Fails WP:GNG, promo. Perhaps the individual schools are notable but not the umbrella organisation. The Banner talk 09:48, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

St Mary's Church, Navan[edit]

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I can't find any sources that would indicate that this building or congregation would be of particular historical interest. The building is included on the Record of Protected Structures for Navan ([23], [24]), but so are 192 other buildings/sites, so it's not a particularly exclusive club. There are a lot of old buildings in Ireland; simple age does not necessarily translate to notability.

The citations in the article are mostly side notes or links to photos. The only one that might be considered reasonably reliable would be A History of the Diocese of Meath 1860-1993, although it's by the former Bishop of Meath, so in my opinion it's not a great indicator of notability as that's very local and not fully independent.

In any case, one source is hardly enough to sustain an article. I tried to look for more using permutations of "St Mary's+Navan+Catholic" but mostly found directory entries, which are not indicators of notability. It's admittedly a difficult search, in that there are lots of Catholic churches named St Mary's in Ireland (even in County Meath there are multiple) mucking up the search results. I'm happy to withdraw if people do locate sources, but I couldn't find anything substantial. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 09:31, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. National heritage listed buildings are notable per WP:GEOFEAT. And this is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:28, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Necrothesp, the Irish National Inventory of Architectural Heritage lists every building in Ireland considered historical, not just national-level ones. Each building or site has a rating; the rating for St. Mary's is regional, not national, so GEOFEAT does not necessarily apply. Even if we accept "regional" as counting as "national", GEOFEAT ends that bullet point with and which verifiable information beyond simple statistics are available are presumed to be notable. Without verifiable information beyond simple statistics, the presumption of notability for the building does not apply. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:31, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not true. The NIAH rates buildings as being of International, National, Regional or Local significance. The first three are effectively listed buildings in a national context. The Regional rating is similar to a Grade II listing in England and Wales, which we would certainly consider to meet GEOFEAT. "Regional" status certainly does not mean it is not a nationally listed building. -- Necrothesp (talk) 19:36, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep as is a National heritage listed bulilding and has the significant book coverage but more sources would improve it, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 17:37, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep per Atlantic306. Spleodrach (talk) 13:14, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, further sources (as well as an infobox and several photos) have been added, meets WP:NBUILD. Sam Sailor 11:52, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If kept, article should be moved to St. Mary's Church, Navan per WP:CHURCH. Sam Sailor 11:54, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- This was never discussed and is never used in articles in Commonwealth or Irish English (except Canada). So no, it should remain where it is. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:42, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kpg jhp jm 16:49, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Safety Match[edit]

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Non-notable film, does not appear to have received notable coverage in English or Russian (WP:GNG).----RTY9099 (talk) 09:05, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Added a critical review from the notable Soviet Screen magazine. AveTory (talk) 17:47, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as has significant coverage in reliable sources such as Soviet Screen and press coverage, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 17:57, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The film clearly marks an historic point in Soviet-era cinema. There is non-trivial coverage in Modernism in Kyiv. SpinningSpark 14:26, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The film satisfies reliable source criteria thus fulfills WP:NFP and has got attention in media even years after its release.Vinodbasker (talk) 16:40, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kpg jhp jm 16:49, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

AmaZulu: The Children of Heaven[edit]

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Sources are a 2 paragraph description in an interview with the directors, dead links, the production company (Films for Food is a subsidiary), and dead links. Not much else found in BEFORE. Icewhiz (talk) 12:51, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep has reliable sources coverage including ref 6 which I fixed which is not an interview and is significant coverage in a reliable source South African Times, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 16:07, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The two possible RSes are ref6 and ref7 - which seem PRish and are copies of eachother (suggesting a press release reprint) - regardless this is 2 paragraphs of coverage in a longer item - far from SIGCOV.Icewhiz (talk) 19:11, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep, particularly on the basis it was championed by the South African government and also won a Best Film award. The sourcing is weak (the South African and SA Times articles are identical) but recognition in Africa and Europe fits my definition of general notability. Sionk (talk) 21:09, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: I'm not completely sold on the refs, but enough to not feel comfy about deletion either. Sorta a "ties go to the runner" deal. Nha Trang ^Allons! 19:30, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. (Nomination withdrawn). Since the subject was a member of the 1st Utah territorial legislature, he is presumed notable, per WP:POLITICIAN, which provides presumed notability (in part) for "members or former members of a national, state or provincial legislature". North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:13, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Phinehas Richards[edit]

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Non-notable subject that fails WP:BASIC. Source searches provide no independent, significant coverage, just fleeting passing mentions and name checks. The article is entirely reliant upon primary sources, which do not establish notability. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:44, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as a member of a territorial legislature he passes the notability guidelines for politicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:36, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per JPL. power~enwiki (π, ν) 00:48, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. (Nomination withdrawn). Since the subject was a member of the Utah Territorial Legislature, he is presumed notable, per WP:POLITICIAN, which provides presumed notability (in part) for "members or former members of a national, state or provincial legislature". North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:04, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Horace S. Eldredge[edit]

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Non-notable subject that does not meet WP:BASIC. Source searches are only providing quotations from the subject, passing mentions and name checks, and many available sources are primary, which do not establish notability. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 07:35, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There are lots of sources out there for this person, many of them are encyclopedic in nature and so he easily passes WP:BASIC. Note that there is some variation in the way his name is rendered – his middle name was Sunderlin. Andrew D. (talk) 08:09, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Davidson: Could you provide links to any of those sources so I and others can assess them? My extensive WP:BEFORE searches did not provide independent sources that provide significant coverage. Your WP:LOTSOFSOURCES rationale does not actually prove any notability. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:28, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This seems to be part of a deletion spree of articles about Mormons and the nomination has a cookie cutter style. Per WP:BEFORE, the onus is on the nominator to do source searches and explain why they are not satisfactory. My impression that the nominator is dismissing many substantial sources on the grounds that they are not independent. They should please detail and explain this rationale as I'm not buying it. Andrew D. (talk) 08:39, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Davidson: All of my nominations regarding notability are WP:BEFORE-based, and I perform custom searches well beyond what WP:BEFORE suggests. So, again, could you please provide any links to the sources you find to be adequate, so they can be assessed? I searched extensively, and from what I found, the subject fails WP:BASIC. Also, my nomination is worded succinctly, but it is not a "cookie cutter" nomination whatsoever. The nomination is based upon research, which has not provided necessary coverage to qualify an article. For example, in the nomination I stated that my source searches are only providing quotations from the subject (which are primary sources), and passing mentions and name checks (these do not establish notability, because they do not provide significant coverage). Hopefully this describes my deletion rationale more clearly. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:46, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator indicates that they have found lots of sources but considers them unsatisfactory. I also found lots of source and consider them satisfactory. The nominator now wants me to do work which they have not done themselves: listing the sources in question. Per WP:SAUCE and WP:CHOICE, the nominator should please do this work themself before making demands of others. Andrew D. (talk) 08:54, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, you have it backwards, per WP:ONUS, which states, "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 08:57, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm still not buying it and my !vote stands. As there are hundreds of pages about Mormons, perhaps the nominator can help matters forward by explaining their general intentions. This particular page has been on Wikipedia for over 10 years and I suppose there are lots more like it. WP:BEFORE explains that "If an article has issues try first raising your concerns on the article's talk page, with the main contributors, or an associated WikiProject, and/or adding a cleanup tag ..." Has any of this been done? How many Mormon articles is the nominator planning to send straight to AfD? What has occasioned this purge? Andrew D. (talk) 09:11, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:Wikipedia is not about every person who walked the earth. Just so happens that there are many biographical articles about people that just don't meet notability standards, some ridiculously so. It's okay to nominate these for deletion; happens every day at AfD and via Prod. I could have prodded, but I felt that a full discussion would be more beneficial. Still waiting for those sources, and I don't mind being proven incorrect if sources usable to establish notability are provided, in which case I would then gladly withdraw. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:02, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not inclined to produce a list of sources until the nominator starts by producing the list of sources that he has reviewed. In the meantime, editors can start with the source linked in the article, which cites more sources, and then try the search links provided above, varying the keywords of the searches to include the full middle name "Sunderlin". Andrew D. (talk) 10:28, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Again, the WP:ONUS is on you, not me: "The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content." That's how it works, not vice versa. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:08, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

After you, Claude... Andrew D. (talk) 12:37, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'll give you the last word. Oh, wait, this may be the last word. Anyway, regarding WP:ONUS, I'll buy that! North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 12:46, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Can't some of these people of the Latter Day Saints be combined into one article? Govvy (talk) 09:45, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a member of the Utah Territorial Legislature he passes the notability guidelines for politicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:51, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment While [25] the Joseph Smith Paper's project listing someone does not inherently show they are notable, this publication of the Church Hisotrian's Press, a press that works to meet the general standards of academic respectability, is a reliable source for the information it provides on the people it lists. Thus, it is a reliable source for statements an individual was in a territorial legislature. Thus we have sufficient evidence to show that Eldredge is notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:56, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per JPL. power~enwiki (π, ν) 00:48, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:16, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Syberspace Social[edit]

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Delete - Fails the mandatory criteria mentioned by WP:NALBUMS. Relying on store links that doesn't have any further information. There is no point in having this article separate from singer's article. Horizonlove (talk) 05:44, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Unlike the other Sy Smith albums that were recently nominated for deletion, this one really does have problems. It appears to have been self-released by the singer and attached to all of the usual run-of-the-mill retail/streaming sites, but it received no significant coverage in reliable sources. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 13:07, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus to delete. There is a clear absence of consensus to delete the article at this time, and editors preferring to keep the article have offered solutions to the problems raised by the nomination. bd2412 T 01:59, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict (Sy Smith album)[edit]

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Delete - Fails the mandatory criteria mentioned by WP:NALBUMS. Relying on one source (Billboard) that doesn't all have much information about the article. There is no point in having this article separate from singer's article. Horizonlove (talk) 05:40, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as has reliable sources reviews such as Billboard, also Nu-Soul Magazine and Soultracks. To nominator please keep this version as it shows the reviews whereas the cut version had the wrong billboard reference, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 11:38, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Note Nu Soul Magazine is not confirmed to be a reliable source. Soultracks is debatable but in this case, it only cites their own review of the album. Furthermore, they are NO confirmed release dates for any of the singles other "Fly Away With Me", no confirmed album sales, the Critical Response section is completely WP:COPYPASTE from other links, the Billboard reference only directs to singer's page on Billboard.com which does NOT name the album or album's producers as the source is currently being used for, the album has not charted on any Billboard charts, has not won any awards, and Smith has not been on any major radio stations or TV shows to promote the album other than The Mo'Nique Show. There is no point in listing "Conflict", "Spies", "B-Side Love Affair", and "Art of You" as singles because they have no physical or digital single release; just music videos. When I break it down like this, the article has no reason to be separate from the Sy Smith page. Horizonlove (talk) 18:12, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I try to stick to the "assume good faith" standard, but the nominator's comments display an unfamiliarity with some relevant WP policies including WP:BEFORE, WP:NEXIST, and WP:UGLY. The AfD process is not the forum for drawing attention to an article that needs clean-up or expansion. An editor who is capable of initiating the AfD process can use those same fingers to improve the article in question. Also, it has never been necessary for an album to chart and win awards to be considered notable in Wikipedia. Those are things that help establish notability, but being reviewed in reliable sources, as is the case with this album, also bestows enough notability for at least a stub article. The Billboard links added by the last voter are brief but valid, and I also found this much more substantial review: [26]. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 13:00, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - In WP:UGLY, it states "...if an article is so bad that it is harmful in its current state, then deleting now, and possibly recreating it later, remains an option. For example, problems like copyright infringement, advertising, patent nonsense, or unsourced negative statements in biographies of living people, need to be resolved as quickly as possible." As stated in the comment to another user, the "Critical reception" is completely WP:COPYPASTE. So when you take that out and also removed alleged singles that I can't find a source for (other than "Fly Away..."), you're basically left with nothing but a track listing. So you might as well just merge Conflict with Sy Smith. You might want to reread WP:NALBUMS and consider revising your comments. My reason for deletion is good faith and consistent with Wikipedia policy. Horizonlove (talk) 16:06, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Counter-Comment - The COPYPASTE violation can be re-written and paraphrased to indicate that the publication really did mention the item, though without completely plagiarizing the publication. In other words, that block of text could be fixed without deleting it, and that could said for the entire article too. Meanwhile the rest of us have located additional sources that could be used to expand the sections that you are criticizing for being too short. I am already completely familiar with WP:NALBUMS, but at your recommendation I will reread it if you vow to read WP:NEXIST for the first time. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:22, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - "the rest of us have located additional sources". Who is "us" and what "additional sources"? I have already looks for reliable sources that mentions the recording of the album, the album's singles, the album's sales, as well as a tour that took place. I don't see any reliable source that confirms any of that. I've already looked but if you can confirmed any of that, then maybe it would make sense for the article to stay. But in my opinion, it is not notable for separate article and I don't see the harm in merging this article. Horizonlove (talk) 23:42, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeesh... "Who is "us" and what "additional sources"? Atlantic306 and myself, who have mentioned sources from Billboard, SoulTracks, and NuSoul right before your eyes in the above discussion. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 00:48, 13 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Redirect can be created separately. Sandstein 17:17, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Box Fresh[edit]

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Non notable campaign. Fails everything all the way up to GNG. Overly detailed. Transparently promotional from COI paid editor who has ignored many warnings. Unreferenced. A multitude of issues Rayman60 (talk) 04:33, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. As nominator. This might have been a speedy deletion candidate, honestly. Mackensen (talk) 11:59, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. non notable and promotional DGG ( talk ) 01:36, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to The Box Plus Network#The Box. After looking around a bit, I can't find any reliable, independent sources that signficantly cover the topic, so I agree with the above !voters that this does not pass the notability guidelines. However, The Box Plus Network page mentions a tiny bit about Box Fresh, so I don't see a strong reason why we shouldn't redirect it there per WP:CHEAP and WP:ATD-R.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 02:22, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Tilian Pearson. Sandstein 17:18, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Skeptic (album)[edit]

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No coverage in reliable sources. Does not pass general notability guideline, makes no claims that would satisfy WP:NMUSIC. Previously nominated for PROD but blocked by article creator without explanation. As the article has not yet been released, this may be a case of WP:TOOSOON and draftifying may be appropriate. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:52, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Tilian Pearson for now. The coverage isn't there at the moment, and the sourcing in the article is very poor. Should the album receive significant coverage, it can be revived and improved. --Michig (talk) 06:12, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as a categorized {{R from album}} and {{R with possibilities}} to the artist article Tilian Pearson. Even if the notability guideline for recordings can not be met, the article title is a valid search term, and there is no need for deletion, cf. WP:ATD-R. Sam Sailor 07:50, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination per low participation. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:30, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Se Acabo[edit]

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Unsourced, does not meet WP:NSONG, did not chart. May be redirected to The Beatnuts per note 1 on NSONG. » Shadowowl | talk 17:38, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I am not fond of this song's explicit and sexually charged lyrics (perhaps even denigrating), but when deciding on keeping or deleting an article, I seek, of course, notability (WP:N) and distinctiveness. I was ready to recommend a redirect for this one, but then I re-read the article and noticed that this particular song is remarkable in that it has crossed language and cultural fences, been adapted and adopted in the Spanish and English languages and reproduced broadly (see here for its popularity in France). This is supported by the sources, which unfortunately do not appear in the article yet. So, simply listing the song among the others would have missed what makes this song special, namely, that differently from the other songs in the album, it went beyond the Beatnuts, crossing into merengue and appearing even in Portuguese, Duth and Finnish charts. Artists like Swinger, Magic Juan (see here) and even the renown Mexican singer, Marco Antonio Muñiz (see here), adapted it. And then it was remixed in English featuring Method Man (see also here). In 1999, Vibe (Volume 7, Issues 7-10 - Page 268) had this to say about the song: "'Se Acabo' is their first strictly Spanish smoker, with a scene-stealing appearance by Proyecto Uno's Magic Juan." Btw, some of the previous links take you to WP:RS, which adds strength to the Keep argument by showing the coverage in the mainstream media. Still, I can be persuaded to the other side. Den... (talk) 16:30, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:18, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cissy Wellman[edit]

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No WP:Reliable sources that this person is WP:Notable. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:47, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete lacks significant roles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:50, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The most important film in which she performed was The Outlaw Josey Wales, but her role was minor. DGG ( talk ) 01:39, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I have added a few sources. Yes, her role as Josey's wife in Clint Eastwood's The Outlaw Josey Wales (1976) was minor, and so was her role as Sissy Walker Tucker on the 1970s TV series The Waltons. I can't find sources that suggest any of her other many roles would make her meet WP:NACTOR, and while she gets a lot of mention, also for being the daughter of William A. Wellman, it does not add up to meeting BASIC/GNG. Sam Sailor 09:01, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 16:50, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This House of Books[edit]

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Fails WP:ORG, particularly WP:CORPDEPTH. John from Idegon (talk) 02:41, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete there's coverage but the sources aren't reliable. Billings Gazette discloses no editorial information and the Huffington Post article is a blog post. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 03:03, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. not yet notable. DGG ( talk ) 01:35, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Citation added, but I agree, subject fails WP:ORG and WP:CORPDEPTH. Sam Sailor 08:13, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:19, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Shine Horovits[edit]

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Designer that does designing jobs, as designers do. Works are on the kitsch side and do not appear exceptional enough. The single exhibition was in foyer of a theatre. Hebrew page was deleted due to lack of notability dindia (talk) 06:59, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Discussion page was created without the {{afd2}} template and never transcluded to a daily log. Fixed now--I have no opinion on the nomination itself at this time. @Dindia: for future nominations, please fully follow the instructions at WP:AFDHOWTO. Thank you. --Finngall ^talk 02:09, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:GNG. So said The Great Wiki Lord. (talk) 03:32, 11 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Sources to meet WP:NARTIST or WP:BASIC/WP:GNG have not been found. Sam Sailor 08:04, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Kpg jhp jm 02:41, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksandr Smetanov[edit]

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WP:POLITICIAN? --RTY9099 (talk) 03:11, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Likely keep A member of the Moscow City Duma, a body in which we generally keep local officials (and we must recognize that the Moscow Duma is also a regional parliament) (per WP:POLOUTCOMES. The sourcing appears sufficient for a local official. --Enos733 (talk) 07:22, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Moscow is (a) a global city whose city councillors are considered notable enough to pass NPOL #2, and (b) a standalone federal city of Russia which is effectively a "state" or "province" in its own right (which is why its city government is a Duma and not just a city council), thus its city councillors actually bump up from NPOL #2 to NPOL #1 as first-order divisional legislators. This does need a bit of copyediting, but it's already got considerably more and better sources than we usually see in articles about city councillors, so even if Moscow didn't get its city councillors over NPOL, #2 would still be in play because of the depth and range of sources anyway. Bearcat (talk) 22:17, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Moscow is one of the biggest cities in the world, so its city councillors are generally notable, plus the city Duma is comparable to a state senate, whose members are almost always notable. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 15:52, 9 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:NPOL, though cleanup is needed. As a side note, while it reads as if this article was written by a Russian speaker, there doesn't seem to be an article on ruwiki; it's listed on ru:Проект:Москва/Список_депутатов_МГД_6_созыва as a possible project. power~enwiki (π, ν) 00:54, 12 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Elected member of the governing body of one of the biggest cities in the world. Carrite (talk) 15:51, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 12:27, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tina Kunakey[edit]

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not notable-- the references are mere gossip DGG ( talk ) 08:46, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a very weak article but the person in question is a well-known, notable model in Europe. I don't know if leaving it in its present state and hoping someone improves it is preferable to deleting it. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 21:32, 3 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable model.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:03, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the only two reliable sources are only about her marrying Vincent Cassel. Inherited notability doesn’t work around here. Her only notworthy job was Jean-Paul Gaultier so this obviously doesn’t pass WP:NMODEL.Trillfendi (talk) 14:26, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:NMODEL failure. Per above, sources are needed to show that the subject meets NMODEL criteria, and said sources are lacking.--SamHolt6 (talk) 23:46, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. She appears to be riding on inherited notability from her marriage to Vincent Cassel. That won't fly here. Kerberous (talk) 04:46, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 12:27, 15 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Youth (singer)[edit]

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very poor article. fails WP:Music and GNG. Created by an editor blocked for long term COI abuses Rayman60 (talk) 00:05, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Nom. Fails WP:ANYBIO and WP:MUSIC. Very promotional and made by COI. AmericanAir88^(talk) 01:22, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy redirect to Glory By Honor XVI. Tone 17:58, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Glory by Honor XVI[edit]

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Redundant - event already has an article Vjmlhds 00:02, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Question Are you going to make us guess which article that is? That aside, if there is a duplicate article, are you aware of criterion WP:CSD A10 for the speedy deletion of duplicate articles without requiring a discussion? Largoplazo (talk) 00:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
See the CSD entry Sakaimover (talk) 00:53, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete Fails A10. AmericanAir88^(talk) 01:23, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy redirect to Glory By Honor XVI, which appears to be the same event with different capitalization. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:24, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete... why was the speedy delete removed. We have another editor above acknowledging that it fails A10. Sakaimover (talk) 01:33, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Because this is a likely alternative capitalization -- at least, likely enough that someone created a duplicate page for it. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:04, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect (now that I know what the duplicate page is): No need to delete a title that reasonably lends itself to redirection. Largoplazo (talk) 01:36, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy/snow redirect. Duplicated content, no point in maintaining two articles, but the title may be a search term.Alpha3031 (t • c) 07:24, 8 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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