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The result was Delete Spartaz Humbug! 23:02, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Adrian Speyer[edit]
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Fails WP:BIO. Only assertion of notability is minor award in 2006 for blog. Does not appear to have been the subject of multiple independant articles.DeleteTheRingess (talk) 22:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Unable to find any independent coverage aside from the one brief profile linked in the article; not enough to establish notability. Maralia (talk) 22:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Bizarre adventure. The AfD is being closed many years later, because it was never properly closed back then, because it was never visible, because it was never transcluded on any of the daily logpages. Technically, it has still been open this whole time.
Nobody else could ever be admitted here, because this door was made only for you. I am now going to shut it. jp×g 22:51, 17 October 2022 (UTC)(non-admin closure)===Massimo Altamore (m:A Fog)===[reply]
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I made this Wikipedia entry myself, but I misspelled the name in the title of this page (it should be Altomare, not Altamore), and then I created another identical article with the correct name instead of moving this one to its correct name. Sorry about that. Anyway, this article is superfluous and has an incorrect title, so it should be deleted.
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The result was Bizarre adventure. The AfD is being closed many years later, because it was never properly closed back then, because it was never visible, because it was never transcluded on any of the daily logpages. Technically, it has still been open this whole time.
Nobody else could ever be admitted here, because this door was made only for you. I am now going to shut it. jp×g 22:51, 17 October 2022 (UTC)(non-admin closure)===OBJECTIVE: Ministries===[reply]
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- Keep -- fairly notable parody of Christian fundamentalism. It fooled James Randi. Haikupoet 00:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Mercury 05:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
KRC (Scientology)[edit]
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Article does not assert the notability of its topic. Written primarily with in-universe, Church of Scientology jargon. Only uses two primary sources (L. Ron Hubbard), and no secondary sources, and has been tagged as such since June 2007, with no improvements. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ARC (Scientology). Cirt (talk) 00:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, as nom. Cirt (talk) 00:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC).[reply]
- Keep as with ARC (Scientology). The topic seems relevant, and it will be hard to find sources outside of the Scientology mini-universe. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 14:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If sources cannot be found outside of Hubbard's own writings and sufficient time has been given with the article tagged for sources to be provided, then the best place for this sort of information is a Church of Scientology website. Notability is not established here. We would not write an entire article on the Bible just referencing the Bible itself. We may quote from it, sure, or reference portions of it, but not the entire thing. Lack of any other sources/mention = lack of notability in this case. Cirt (talk) 14:59, 5 December 2007 (UTC).[reply]
- Delete. While notability is asserted ("fundamental concept" of this group), there are no reliable sources or even any quick way to verify that this statement is objectively true. Please, folks, if you want to rescue this one, get some cites ASAP. Bearian (talk) 19:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, for reasons stated in nom. --DizFreak talk Contributions 18:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep, with a strong suggestion to merge to Inner Sphere. Joyous! | Talk 01:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Successor States[edit]
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The article is not notable, and has no references to verify its contents. As such, it is just an in-universe repetition of various plot facts from BattleTech game articles, and is totally duplicative of them. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Inner Sphere. JJL (talk) 05:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, no sources on page, gameguide. Fee Fi Foe Fum (talk) 09:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- redirect to Succession of states.—Random832 18:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- No relevance in such redirect.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:35, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Placebo Effect (talk) 17:54, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep or merge per JJL. Once this grows it will have to be split again, notable.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge as per JLL. Edward321 (talk) 23:55, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep under the "bad faith nom" clause, even though the nominator actually recommended deletion in good faith. As noted by several users below, an unreferenced article should not be deleted once it becomes known that references are available. Non-admin closure. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 14:54, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Madden NFL '96[edit]
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Unreferenced for about 1 year CruftCutter (talk) 23:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep It's one of a well known series of video games, just because it's unreferenced doesn't mean it should be deleted. RMHED (talk) 23:48, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, invalid rationale. This is a very notable video game series, I'm sure references exist. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 00:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Keep, AFD is not cleanup. sh¤y 00:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Keep unless you think that the other 15 Madden games with their own pages should go too. That debate could be had here, but that's not why its nominated. It's nominated because it needs cleanup, and frankly that's not a reason for deletion.--CastAStone|(talk) 01:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Keep Being unreferenced for a year is not a valid reason for deletion. Rray (talk) 02:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep There's a world of difference between unreferenced and unable to reference. Game Rankings has two (very) notable magazine scores on file for this game (Electronic Gaming Monthly and another magazine), there are doubtless other magazine scores lying around somewhere. Just by copying and pasting the name of the game into my search bar I found this 1up article. It's a notable game in a notable series published by a notable publisher under a notable license... Someone another (talk) 03:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Article can easily be referenced, nomination was inappropriate. Bleeding Blue (talk) 04:09, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Keep and close per SNOW. Baegis (talk) 12:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - almost definately notable - page needs a complete overhaul but that's not what AfD is for. [[Guest9999 (talk) 12:59, 5 December 2007 (UTC)]][reply]
- Speedy Keep protect from renom. Macktheknifeau (talk) 13:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 13:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hot Ham & Cheese[edit]
- Hot Ham & Cheese (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Appears to be a local non-notable band, not meeting WP:MUSIC. PROD removed without comment by anon. BLACKKITE 23:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Delete. This band is right up against the border of what qualifies you for the first criteria on WP:BAND.See this and this. However, I'd still like 2-3 longer articles before including them here.--CastAStone|(talk) 01:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Fails WP:MUSIC. Not really any claim of notability, either. Precious Roy (talk) 17:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Per nom. —ScouterSig 20:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Notability not established, not many sources given. Cirt (talk) 20:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC).[reply]
- Delete Per nom. and everyone above. DavidJ710| talk 09:52, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --Anthony.bradbury"talk" 13:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Antares (Kit Leee)[edit]
- Antares (Kit Leee) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Does not meet WP:BIO. There are some assertions of notability in his native country, but article does not establish notability outside. Delete TheRingess (talk) 23:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - no reliable sources, no actual sources, google search produces lots of petition signatures but no indication of independent, in-depth coverage. WLU (talk) 19:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Per nom and WLU (talk · contribs), I agree with both. Cirt (talk) 20:37, 8 December 2007 (UTC).[reply]
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The result was Delete. Mercury 05:29, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
List of false friends[edit]
- List of false friends (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Completely unencyclopaedic. Not one source on the whole list (if there is, the amount is so small that scrolling through, they go unnoticed). A huge number (at least half) of the "false friends" would also never be mistaken by a person with a reasonable knowledge of the language (i.e. they could tell that it's not a noun, it's a verb etc.) Either delete or substantially cut down (preferably delete) EstoyAquí(t • c • e) 23:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom, list is totally unsourced and OR. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep Wow, not too many articles hit AfD that predate me on Wikipedia. This needs cleanup, not deletion. This is not OR, it's the work of dozens if not hundreds of contributers to the project. It needs sources, yes. This should be listed as a page needing sources and left on the site.--CastAStone|(talk) 01:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep It needs sourcing and probably a move to a different title; I'll concede that I haven't heard of this being described as "false friends", but that's apparently the term, as shown by this search from Google books Mandsford (talk) 02:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I agree with Mandsford. -- Nikolaj Winther (talk) 10:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I, however, agree with TenPoundHammer. Just a load of OR with no sources. Quite an interesting article but no proof to actually say it is correct. It's also very POV. ThundermasterThundermaster's Talk 11:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete This must be one of the dumbest lists I've ever seen. Sorry for the uncivil wording, but I it's honestly the best way to describe it. Mistakes between words in different languages happens all the time this list can go on forever. TheBlazikenMaster (talk) 12:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Potentially infinitely long list of information about which it is impossible to prove notability. See the "Lead and selection criteria" section of WP:SAL. It may be appropriate and even valuable for some other wiki, but not WP. -Verdatum (talk) 18:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Could we just keep the lead and the wikibooks template? I do agree the list should not be on Wikipedia, but can we keep it as a link, basically? —ScouterSig 20:59, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply Is that not already taken care of within False friends? -Verdatum (talk) 21:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. —ScouterSig 21:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Per above. Lawrence Cohen 23:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. This article can and should be improved in several respects, but articles that can be improved should not be deleted. The article currently lacks selection criteria, but they can be added, and with good selection criteria, the list won't become endless. Sources can be added as well. Finally, the list has a concise, at-a-glance format that the narrative examples in False friends don't provide. Valerius (talk) 03:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or massively clean-up. I'd say that many of these are either false cognates instead of false friends or are just flat-out wrong. Plus, the list is ridiculously long. RobertM525 (talk) 09:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete all. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
John Stump[edit]
- John Stump (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
- Faerie's Aire and Death Waltz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- String Quartet No. 556(b) for Strings In A Minor (Motoring Accident) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Atushi Ojisama and Ijigen Waltz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Lament of the Introspective Turnbuckle (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I kind of hate to do this, seeing as I think the Faerie's Aire and Death Waltz is one of the funniest things I've ever seen, but oh well.
John Stump's biography has been tagged for notability since September with no improvements. The text is very short and contains some inappropriate tone ("no official contact with him"). His only compositions are three parody pieces (which as I stated above, I find to be freaking hilarious), but the pieces themselves don't seem notable. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I also included two related musical satire pieces by different authors. Will the closing admin please make sure all five pages are deleted before closing? The last few times I've done bundle AfDs, only one of the pages got nuked. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:43, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge all into John Stump. —ScouterSig 21:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That still wouldn't take care of the notability issue, which is the main reason I put these pages up for AfD. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 21:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Hello! I'm new to editing the wiki, so I wonder why this article is to be deleted?
And if it is, will there be a redirect from "the death waltz", to the compositor instead? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.244.74.89 (talk) 18:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The composer, John Stump, doesn't meet our crtieria for biographies of living people. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Placebo Effect (talk) 17:55, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete all per nom. The compositions are hilarious but unfortunately not notable, the others in the same category (Satirical Musical Compositions) are "Atushi Ojisama and Ijigen Waltz" by Yamasaki Atusi and "Lament of the Introspective Turnbuckle" by Andrew Fielding: these do not appear to be notable either. --Snigbrook (talk) 20:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per nom unless there are some reliable sources brought forward to prove a notable impact on the music scene. Tony Fox (arf!) 21:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - unfortunately. Need to also include the cat and contents of Category:Satirical Musical Compositions. Can we put them up on Wikipedia:Silly Things? -- Alan Liefting-talk- 21:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 07:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Uncle Chen (Serbian rapper)[edit]
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Doubt notability, but don't want to be hasty. Not good with Cyrillic names, notability of Serbians. Dlohcierekim 23:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete fails WP:MUSIC. RMHED (talk) 23:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - with no references it fails WP:BIO. Sbowers3 (talk) 04:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Per RMHED and Sbowers3. DavidJ710| talk 09:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 00:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Haverstraw Town Police[edit]
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Nothing marks out this town police force as particularly unusual or notable. thisisace (talk) 22:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The article doesn't even say what state Haverstraw is in, not that it matters. While I don't believe we have notability requirements for police departments, this article dosn't imply that they would qualify if we did. Have they innovated something? Led a battle? Supported something no other police force would that became important? Since it doesn't say it does, Delete.--CastAStone|(talk) 02:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete non-notable small town police department. Ridernyc (talk) 02:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as a Non-notable New York State local PD. While it asserts notability, based on controversial and/or decorated officers, notability is not inherited. Zero cites. It may be possible to create an article from cites from Google, but much of those are cruft or Wiki-mirrors. Bearian (talk) 19:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom SGGH speak! 11:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. If there were at least one or two sources I suppose a merge and redirect would be in order, but there are none to speak of. RFerreira (talk) 23:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 00:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Electronic cigarette[edit]
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Delete Article purports to be about a generic type of product, but is actually an advert for a particular product Mayalld (talk) 22:48, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Its an advert. MortimerCat (talk) 22:58, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete as spam. thisisace (talk) 22:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom as advertising. Also, you forgot to put the AfD tag on the page itself. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete: No assertion of notability. Recreatable if notability can be demonstrated. 1 != 2 20:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Glitz (software)[edit]
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Text is almost speediable for lack of an assertion of notability (and very little context), but since this was already subject of a deletion review I'm seeking community input. Unless someone can add sources which establish notability this article should be deleted or merged. ~ trialsanderrors (talk) 22:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Michaelbusch (talk) 22:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete for lack of assertion/evidence of notability. Someguy1221 (talk) 23:54, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete --Chealer (talk) 23:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Do not delete -- [ip] for balance and technology reasons. Glitz, like Cairo, is an intergral part of the freedesktop.org project. It needs more work. The mailing lists contain ample information. This project provides opengl stability to X.org. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.116.91.230 (talk) 02:13, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Can anyone translate this? ~ trialsanderrors (talk) 21:02, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Wikipedia cannot compete with Freshmeat and cover such volatile topics. Pavel Vozenilek (talk) 00:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. What the above IP user was saying is basically that Glitz is notable because of it's important role in freedesktop.org, a pretty big linux movement that connects several Unix operating systems. DavidJ710| talk 10:06, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm happy to withdraw if someone can add to the article, but as it is, it doesn't even assert notability. ~ trialsanderrors (talk) 15:54, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Jay Friedman[edit]
Delete unsourced one-line sub-stub blp about a musician; fails WP:BIO, an orchestra may be notable not all its players - as they may change from time to time - are notable. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy per A7 - no assertion of notability. --Thinboy00 @996, i.e. 22:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Are you kidding me? An individual who has been a principal with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra--the greatest orchestra in the world--for over forty years is not "notable"? For Christ's sake, give me a fucking chance to get something there before you go apeshit and try to nuke it. If nothing else, the speedy tag is totally inappropriate since there's already an AfD there. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 23:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Please try to remain civil, profanity isn't really needed. I'm sorry for placing the tag on, but the article just plain did not assert notability. If you would like to expand the article, then go ahead and do so. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- First off, there was nothing uncivil about that remark. Second, notability is irrelevant and unnecessary, so no such assertion is required--the only proper criterion for inclusion is verifiable existence. Third, even so, saying someone "...is the principal trombonist for the Chicago Symphony Orchestra." is a pretty massive assertion of notability. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 23:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Furthermore, unlike some people I don't have ten hours a day to devote to Wikipedia. I wrote a stub last night because that was all I had time for; I came back today to try to expand it, and instead I had to spend the limited time I could have spent improving that article defending it from some ridiculous attempt to do away with it. This is exactly why, about a year ago, I wrote my essay Wikipedia:Give an article a chance. If the nominator had a problem with it being a stub he should have requested that it be expanded. The mere fact of this nomination is way off the mark. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 00:00, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep pending improvements from User:Kmweber or someone. I'll see what I can find too. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete without prejudice - there's plenty of time for the user who created this article to write something more than a single sentence, and then put it into article-space once it at least minimally meets the community standards for reliable independent sourcing, notability, etc. Just drop this sentence into his userspace, make it something that at least barely makes the grade, and then he can put it back whenever it actually constitutes an article. (And since it might matter, I'm just going on the policies that have already been cited by others: WP:BIO, speedy A7, etc.) --Cheeser1 (talk) 01:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Putting it in my userspace and working on it there as you suggest would defeat the whole purpose of a wiki. You're relatively new here (having only been a semi-regular contributor for the past year and a half or so), so you weren't around when most of the major articles here got started. But the whole point of a wiki is that articles grow organically, starting with a sentence or two and then, through small contributions by anyone who has anything to add, becoming a full-fledged article. If it's kept in my userspace, where hardly anyone will see it, that won't happen. I'm afraid Wikipedia is being overrun by a new generation of "editor"--they can recite policy like the alphabet, but they don't actually get Wikipedia. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 05:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Please refrain from using this AfD as a space for you to write commentary about other Wikipedians. It's insulting and irrelevant. Feel free to continue to rebut my point without making such comments. I disagree with your understanding of how Wikipedia functions, and believe this article should be deleted. That's how an AfD works. We'll see what consensus in this instance is when the AfD closes. --Cheeser1 (talk) 05:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Putting it in my userspace and working on it there as you suggest would defeat the whole purpose of a wiki. You're relatively new here (having only been a semi-regular contributor for the past year and a half or so), so you weren't around when most of the major articles here got started. But the whole point of a wiki is that articles grow organically, starting with a sentence or two and then, through small contributions by anyone who has anything to add, becoming a full-fledged article. If it's kept in my userspace, where hardly anyone will see it, that won't happen. I'm afraid Wikipedia is being overrun by a new generation of "editor"--they can recite policy like the alphabet, but they don't actually get Wikipedia. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 05:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and tag for expansion. Being a principal at a world-class orchestra like the CSO is far beyond simply being any old player in any old orchestra (which, if it were true, would be correctly nominated for deletion). Chubbles (talk) 04:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Acceptable start to an article. such a position in a major article is very near the top of the profession.DGG (talk) 06:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Way over the bar for notability, as a quick Google search will confirm. I can understand (but don't endorse) the contribitor's reaction to having a speedy deletion tag slapped on an article which had such a clear indication of importance/significance. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- How quick was your Google search? Much of the results obtained by searching "Jay Friedman" are not about this Jay Friedman. Most appear to be for one "Bruce Jay Friedman." Some are for a sexologist. Most of the rest are for others (including several other people named "____ Jay Friedman") . Only a handful are for this Jay Friedman, and they aren't exactly Wikipedia-class sources. In the first ten pages of results (100 Google hits) there are: his personal website, his little bio page for his work as an instructor, one self-published fan site, another self-published site - a database of trombone information, a store or two ([1], [2], [3], [4]), and an mp3 download page with a single (non-working?) item listed. There is only one source that could even reasonably be considered a source for this article (before being rejected, perhaps), here. It's a small profile in a Chicago "city guide" that features local live music (among other things). This guide considers itself a database of restaurants, bars, music venues, etc - not a journalistic or reliable source, nor a place to establish notability for anyone. Try it: a search for "Jay Friedman" gives 80,000 hits. A search for "Jay Friedman" trombone gives 800, and a cursory (yes, only cursory, I will admit) look through those 800 doesn't seem to reveal any reliable, independent, published sources that could establish notability for this person or that could be used to expand this thing beyond either a single sentence, or a few sentences that duplicate the content found on his official bios on his own website(s). --Cheeser1 (talk) 12:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I wasn't referring to the number of ghits, but to the fact that when I searched for "Jay Friedman" trombone I found a good source in the first couple of pages, which I added to the article. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You mean the short bio on a self-published trombonist database, which isn't reallly a reliable source and isn't really evidence of notability? --Cheeser1 (talk) 13:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This is not self-published. According to Trombones Online "All professional trombone artists undergo a review process before a new profile goes live in our database.", which does make it a reliable source to verify all of the notable achievements listed in that article. Phil Bridger (talk) 14:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Um... how does that not make it self-published? Everything I put on my website undergoes a review process. That doesn't mean it isn't self-published. --Cheeser1 (talk) 17:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It is not self-published, because it is published by Trombones Online with editorial review, not by Jay Friedman. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:11, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You are confusing "independence" with "self-published." The "self" in "self-published" is not necessarily the subject of the article. Please refer to the relevant part of verifiability policy. This "Trombones Online" is not a publication. It is a website run by two people, and has no academic or journalistic editorial oversight. It is a self-published source. --Cheeser1 (talk) 13:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- See, this is what I'm talking about. You, like many newer editors, know policy backwards and forwards. But you don't understand what policy actually is (descriptive rather than prescriptive) or that the whole point of a wiki is that these things are done bit by bit, as each new person with something to contribute adds a sentence or two. To insist that an article meet certain standards right away is ridiculous, and decidedly un-wiki. The whole point is for collaborative writing over the long term. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 15:34, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Once again, personal commentary that comments on me instead of the issue at hand is inappropriate and rude. I will not respond further to this sort of condescending commentary. --Cheeser1 (talk) 17:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Calling something an "uncivil personal attack" doesn't make it so. I am not attacking you personally, but rather your fundamental misunderstanding of Wikipedia. And it is quite relevant here, as your whole justification for supporting deleting this article is predicated on that very misunderstanding. Kurt Weber (Go Colts!) 19:38, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- <outdent> calm down everybody: several people think that this guy is notable. Well the average biography one reads in a good encyclopedia has where they dude was born and on what date, what his education is, why he is important, all from sources independent of the person themselves. If you can't find those (a) either WP doesn't aim to be a good encyclopedia, or (b) this guy just hasn't generated the significant coverage in reliable 3rd party sources. All this "assertion of notability" talk is about speedy deletion; that has been declined now the article is being put to the proof - this is a BLP where we need to get it right and sub-stubs that have no real info are just wrong. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:34, 5 December 2007 (UTC) A nice quote from WP:BIO should provide some help here: "The person must have been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." Since the only source is not independent of the subject, but a reviewed submission by him, it doesn't qualify to establish notability. A first trombonist at an orchestra is positionally little different that a VP at a notable company - top of his/her division with some well-qualified people beneath him/her; there's no exception for the trombonist nor the corporate big-wig: published sources showing notability or begone. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and expand. Google News Archives comes up with enough about this guy to warrant a keep. [5]. Capitalistroadster (talk) 20:57, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep without prejudice for later deletion if a significant amount of time goes by without expansion. --TheOtherBob 21:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep But I do disagree with Kurt when I say that [very first edit] is insufficient. Yes, it's the point of Wikipedia for everyone to help improve and grow (I really like your use of the word "organic) each article. However, it should not be anyone's job to find out if that one sentence is a good seedling or a weed. If I come across a stub, I can enjoy helping it grow. But a single sentence, out of context... I could write any similar sentence about any real or fictional thing and there would be no obvious difference. —ScouterSig 21:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Notability has been demonstrated. Lawrence Cohen 23:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Singularity 04:01, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Popular segments of Eat Bulaga![edit]
- Popular segments of Eat Bulaga! (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Seemingly arbitrarily chosen "popular segments" of a TV show. Entirely original research, contains information that cannot possibly be attributed to reliable sources. --Aqwis (talk – contributions) 22:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The title itself is a bit POV. Also, this could have been merge to the main article. --βritandβeyonce (talk•contribs) 03:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- .Delete I thought merge would be a better alternative but it will simply bloat the parent article since no references are shown to describe the qualifiers needed to achieve "popular" status. The parent article could use some references and expansion though.--Lenticel (talk) 12:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Unneeded fancrust (whoops, I mean Fancruft), does not assert notability, heck I could waste 10 minutes on that show like that Joey guy talking about why we don't need this article! ViperSnake151 22:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Most of the "popular" segments are still current. Perhaps only one segment truly deserves mention, and that was the now-discontinued Little Miss Philippines segment. But I wouldn't create an article about it either. --- Tito Pao (talk) 04:43, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Adrian Speyer[edit]
Probably vanity. 18 google hits. Gamaliel 06:55, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Speedy Delete, author wants it gone, probable mistake. Wyss 22:11, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Is the above the author? Looks like page got blanked, that's a speedy. All that's left are the messages. hfool 22:59, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- Delete, agree with Wyss. GRider\talk 18:38, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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The result was Delete. Potentially could even have been a speedy as notability is not asserted. Spartaz Humbug! 23:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Shahmerza foundation[edit]
- Shahmerza foundation (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
This article lacks any reliable independent sources, and is about an organization that seems to be purely local in scope and seems not to meet the notability criteria. Prod removed by creator without demonstration of notability. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 22:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Cites no sources and fails WP:ORG. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 22:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- KeepI am sorry that its not the greatest thing since sliced bread. I made the Shahmirzadian page (yeah I am from there) and this non-profit has left an indelible mark on the village. It built a school and a hospital there. Furthermore, how on earth can you reference this when its U.S.-based but Iran-oriented? Still looking for the Shahmirzadian Times in English in the States. Frankly, reference are very overrated blogs count for Pete's sake. I am wondering why this is tagged for deletion when so many other pages are not. Your subjective interpretations should not be allowed to govern. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smm650 (talk • contribs) 06:57, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia:Verifiability is among the most important policies on Wikipedia. If you cannot verify information, how can you trust it? If Wikipedia can't be trustworthy, then why are we wasting our time writing it? Blogs aren't generally considered acceptable sources, see Wikipedia:Verifiablity#Self-published sources (online and paper). Reliable sources in the local language are acceptable, though those in English are preferred. And as for other articles, well, other things always exist. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 07:46, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There I added a reference, not great but its a reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smm650 (talk • contribs) 20:50, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - I'm sure it's a noble ogranisation, but it lacks reliable sources to establish notability and verifiability -- Whpq (talk) 20:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Its not my fault you cannot read Farsi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smm650 (talk • contribs) 05:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:00, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
SuccessTech Academy shooting[edit]
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This is the third time this has been nominated. The first two were immediately following the shooting, which definitely clouded everyone's judgment. Let me preface by saying that this nom has nothing to do with a lack of sources...it's a question of notability. Two months later - after I strongly argued for keep in the first AfDs, I believe this does fall into WP:NOT#NEWS. When it comes down to it, it was merely the biggest news story on the day it happened. The event made the school notable...but - in hindsight - it doesn't seem that the event itself was all that notable. Deleting the article and merging the content into SuccessTech Academy - I believe - would serve the best purpose. SmashvilleBONK! 21:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Article provides ample reliable and verifiable sources to establish notability for the event. I believe that this is just abuse of WP:CONSENSUS. If consensus can't be accepted when articles are kept, why should it be accepted if you can round up enough people to delete the article. "Consensus can change" requires legitimate efforts at discussion prior to taking another stab at AfD, and no evidence has been provided to justify abuse of Wikipedia process for a clearly settled matter. Alansohn (talk) 23:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- What happened to assuming good faith? --SmashvilleBONK! 23:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It went away when everyone's judgment was clouded. What happened to respecting consensus? Alansohn (talk) 00:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Consensus can change. My opinion changed. The AfDs were the day of and the day after the shooting. It's two months later. --SmashvilleBONK! 02:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A read of the closure of the most recent AfD on this article, which closed barely six weeks ago, stated that "WP:NOT#NEWS clearly does not furnish a valid rationale for deletion here. Indeed, WP:NOT#NEWS expressly states that "topics in the news may also be encyclopedic subjects when the sources are substantial"; the massive media coverage of this incident cited in SuccessTech Academy shooting#References would therefore suggest that this incident is, indeed, an 'encyclopedic subject'." Nothing has changed in the interim that would undermine this conclusion. A thorough disrespect for consensus is never acceptable. Continued abuse of consensus only undermines any respect for whatever result may be achieved in this third attempt at deletion, and the forthcoming third, fourth, fifth, etc. attempts that will be undertaken in the future. Alansohn (talk) 02:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Consensus can change. My opinion changed. The AfDs were the day of and the day after the shooting. It's two months later. --SmashvilleBONK! 02:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It went away when everyone's judgment was clouded. What happened to respecting consensus? Alansohn (talk) 00:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- What happened to assuming good faith? --SmashvilleBONK! 23:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Notability does not expire. Colonel Warden (talk) 23:31, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm just going to withdraw the nom due to the fact that my actions are being viewed in bad faith. --SmashvilleBONK! 04:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - the nominator says this is not notable. However, in its article on the Westroads Mall shootings, the BBC News website refers to this event in a timeline of 2007 US shootings. Surely that suggests that it's notable? 81.159.254.193 (talk) 14:21, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - is notable. ScarianTalk 18:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: Notable enough to warrant its own article. Qwerty (talk) 02:37, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete for now. No reason this can't be completed once there is some actual content to write about. Spartaz Humbug! 23:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
2008 World Junior Handball World Championships[edit]
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Unsourced one-line article about a tournament next year. WP:CRYSTAL Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:58, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Future event and I note there is not a 2007 article. MortimerCat (talk) 23:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Mmmmm Vodka, sorry just thinking out loud. It appears that the wheeze of nominating this for deletion in order to force improvements has failed. There does appear to be sufficient claim to notability to preclude deleting this for the lack of sources at this AFD and since no-one seems to feel strongly about deleting it, I think we can give it some time to grow. A continuing lack of sources would certainly significantly count against the article were we to see it back at AFD again. Spartaz Humbug! 23:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ledo Degtinė[edit]
Article about a vodka was blanked by anon claiming no sources; it has apparently received some awards which may be sourceable, but is it WP:N? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:47, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep. I wish this sub was as clean as the subject claims to be, but it appears to be valid and notable per awards. Not technically spam, just unsourced and new. Tag it and throw back into the water, or vodka, as it were. :-) Bearian (talk) 19:34, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed, not spam. I don't feel as strongly about deleting this as other nominations hence no Delete in the nomination but this process should flesh out sources as I don't speak or read the language in which such sources are likely to be found. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:05, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Andrew Dickson (DJ)[edit]
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Delete unsourced blp about a DJ with nothing to show he's notable per WP:BIO or WP:BAND. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom.Karanacs (talk) 21:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete, WP:CSD#A7 no claim of notability. Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 11:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Fails WP:BIO; no references. (A speedy would likely be declined due to barely-there claim of notability.) Precious Roy (talk) 16:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. -Royalguard11(T·R!) 18:31, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Christine Smith (activist)[edit]
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Arguably, the article fails to claim notability, but I figured I'd send it here to AFD for review. This candidate has a slim chance of winning the Liberation nomination, nevermind the presidential race. Her awards might be mildly notable, but there doesn't seem to be any information on them online. I'd say delete for now, and allow recreation if she shows any sign of winning the Liberation nomination. The article also suffers from WP:UNDUE, WP:ADVERT, and apparently WP:COATRACK from our friends in the Ron Paul camp. Burzmali (talk) 21:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per John J. Bulten's comments on the article's discussion page. As for WP:COATRACK from "the Ron Paul camp", Paul is only mentioned in one sentence at the end of the article.--JayJasper (talk) 21:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete as there is no clear indication how the criteria on the talk page relate to WP:N. She has only trivial coverage in Google News Archive. Per this party site she is marginally best-ranked of the also-rans in a notoriously obscure party. --Dhartung | Talk 21:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Christine Smith is an author of a book about a notable musician (John Denver) and a candidate for President. Her Presidential campaign is regulated by the FEC and has reported 6 distinct campaign contributors from 5 states outside her state of residence (Colorado). I personally think that many RFDs that hinge on notability use more bits for storage and transfer than if the article was just allowed to be. I have fixed the WP:COATRACK issue relative to Ron Paul (I hope). Thane Eichenauer (talk) 00:05, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A non-notable book about a notable person doesn't make the author notable. Filling out a form and mailing it to the FEC does not make you notable. Convincing your relatives in other states to send you a few hundred buck for your campaign doesn't make you notable. Burzmali (talk) 02:55, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete author a a non-notable book. Perhaps if she does become the candidate of her minor party for president, she might possible have enough medium attention to become notable, but she certainly is not notable now. WP does not exist to give PR to would-be politicians. DGG (talk) 08:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as one of many wannabees. No WP:RS for WP:BLP? Deleteography. Bearian (talk) 18:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 01:32, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Tony Wah Chong Leonetti[edit]
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beyond hope CruftCutter 21:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - been tagged "in-universe" since July and not improved. JohnCD (talk) 21:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, fails WP:FICT. --Dhartung | Talk 21:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete but allow to be recreated. Karanacs (talk) 21:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete there isn't even an attempt to establish notability. I read this article, and it didn't even make sense. LonelyBeacon (talk) 22:32, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy per A1, no context; failing that, Strong/Snowball Delete --Thinboy00 @0, i.e. 23:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete because it is a horribly written article that no one has tried to improve. Baegis (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletions. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note. This debate is not yet closed. CruftCutter (talk) 16:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 07:56, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Susana Lorenzo-Giguere[edit]
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This article was stubbed due to WP:BLP and privacy concerns following a complaint to WP:OTRS. aving removed the coats, the remaining rack is of questionable notability. Guy (Help!) 21:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC) Guy (Help!) 21:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete no assertion of notability.Karanacs (talk) 21:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment This and this are likely the deleted material. There isn't much more coverage of her part of the scandal, though, and her position as a deputy chief of a DOJ section is not normally one that is notable. --Dhartung | Talk 22:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete -- you could make a case for notability based on Dhartung's Boston Globe reference, but I agree with Guy's concerns re: WP:COATRACK and WP:BLP. I also recommend protecting the page from re-creation if it's deleted. --A. B. (talk) 02:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Eusebeus (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 15:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete For now, but don't salt or anything. If Susana Lorenzo-Giguere is the subject of this ongoing probe, and it expands to a criminal case, could be easily notable. But for now, delete. Lawrence Cohen 23:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Chris Crocker (Internet celebrity) by WP:SNOW. Bearian (talk) 21:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE![edit]
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Fail to see the importance of the subject. Speedy refused.Hammer1980·talk 20:45, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Chris Crocker (Internet celebrity) (most of the article is copied and pasted from here). Hut 8.5 20:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Chris Crocker (Internet celebrity), hardly warrants its own article. RMHED 21:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect as above.--CastAStone|(talk) 21:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Chris Crocker (Internet celebrity) for reasons mentioned above. -JDCMAN (talk) 21:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Snowball Redirect per overwhelming consensus. In addition, we can't have an article on every YouTube video ever uploaded (notability is not inherited). --Thinboy00 @994, i.e. 22:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to...I really shouldn't need to go on further than that. -Verdatum (talk) 18:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete per sourcing, and advert-like appearance. Blogs are not reliable sources.. 1 != 2 20:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Netvouz[edit]
No assertion or proof or notability. It's written like an ad for the product. Delete TheRingess (talk) 20:45, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Inadequately sourced; one blog review and one unclear-authority "search engine news" blog are not enough for WP:RS. No relevant results for Netvouz in a Google News archive search.--McGeddon (talk) 21:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy per G11 blatant advert. --Thinboy00 @2, i.e. 23:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I've added a reference by 3spots, a blog dedicated to the survey of social software. I don't want to go all wp:otherstuff, but compare this list with this list. So, unless one thinks that wikipedia's coverage of social bookmarking should start with delicious and stop with digg...--victor falk 16:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment If you can convince me that this software has received reviews from multiple independent sources, then I'm willing to change my vote. I'm not concerned with Wikpedia's coverage per se, but I am concerned with issues of notability. In the article's current state, in my opinion, it does not sufficiently establish the notability of this software.TheRingess (talk) 17:54, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- We do have independent sources; three of them.--victor falk 20:51, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I just reread McGeddon's comment above and have to agree with them. Two blog reviews and one search engine news blog aren't enough for me either.TheRingess (talk) 21:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Pandia Search Engine News, while not the cannon in this area (that would be www.seo-news.com), is still a respectable source. But the really good sources are the two blogs. A few years one could have considered it ironic debating the appropriateness of blogs as a source for an eminently web 2.0 thing like a social bookmarking site, but it feels utterly stale now. Much as I appreciate McLuhan's "the medium is the message", this is not a correct application of it. Like saying that the dailies but not magazines are ok for satisfying wp:rs and wp:v. Have you perused those two? Do they strike you as the kind of "Dear Diary,..."-blogs intersped with a random "!!OMFG!!!! netvouz iz teh l33t social bookmarking site!!!?!1! ROFLOL!11!!" post? They could as well be named "Humpty's online newsletter on web 2.0 stuff" and "Dumpty's online technical journal for social software". --victor falk 07:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:SPS is quite clear about blogs - we should be careful about using self-published sources, but they're fine if they're written by recognised authorities in the field (even if they say "OMFG!"). 3spots seems to be a generic, anonymous, well-meaning amateur blog, though, and Susanne Koch of Pandia does not appear to be particularly authoritative. --McGeddon (talk) 10:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Do you mean to say that Lavoisier and Tycho Brahe were shoddy and inept scientists? Personally, I prefer a reliable and verifiable amateur to an "authority" who says "oh my fucking god" as a source, but that's just my taste. What about Profy [6] for a more "professional" source then? It seems authoritative enough to be used as a source for Twango. Thrice, even. victor falk 14:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm only using the word "amateur" in contrast to the "established expert" that WP:SPS requires. I'm not familiar with Profy's Leslie Poston, but if you can demonstrate that she's recognised as an expert, then that's fine. --McGeddon (talk) 18:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- (on a side note, wp:sps says that "amateurs" should be treated more carefully when being considered as sources than "established experts", not that they are to be rejected out of hand. I think one should reflect upon the fact that there is absolutely no reason why an amateur could not be an established expert in their field. Unless, of course, you're an Aristotelian)
- I'm only using the word "amateur" in contrast to the "established expert" that WP:SPS requires. I'm not familiar with Profy's Leslie Poston, but if you can demonstrate that she's recognised as an expert, then that's fine. --McGeddon (talk) 18:21, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Do you mean to say that Lavoisier and Tycho Brahe were shoddy and inept scientists? Personally, I prefer a reliable and verifiable amateur to an "authority" who says "oh my fucking god" as a source, but that's just my taste. What about Profy [6] for a more "professional" source then? It seems authoritative enough to be used as a source for Twango. Thrice, even. victor falk 14:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:SPS is quite clear about blogs - we should be careful about using self-published sources, but they're fine if they're written by recognised authorities in the field (even if they say "OMFG!"). 3spots seems to be a generic, anonymous, well-meaning amateur blog, though, and Susanne Koch of Pandia does not appear to be particularly authoritative. --McGeddon (talk) 10:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Pandia Search Engine News, while not the cannon in this area (that would be www.seo-news.com), is still a respectable source. But the really good sources are the two blogs. A few years one could have considered it ironic debating the appropriateness of blogs as a source for an eminently web 2.0 thing like a social bookmarking site, but it feels utterly stale now. Much as I appreciate McLuhan's "the medium is the message", this is not a correct application of it. Like saying that the dailies but not magazines are ok for satisfying wp:rs and wp:v. Have you perused those two? Do they strike you as the kind of "Dear Diary,..."-blogs intersped with a random "!!OMFG!!!! netvouz iz teh l33t social bookmarking site!!!?!1! ROFLOL!11!!" post? They could as well be named "Humpty's online newsletter on web 2.0 stuff" and "Dumpty's online technical journal for social software". --victor falk 07:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Here you are. --victor falk 20:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 01:33, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Electrocompressor jet-engine[edit]
- Electrocompressor jet-engine (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Evidently a hoax, term gets zero Google hits. Creator's only other page, Seegorgian, is also up for AfD as a possible hoax. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 20:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Incoherent and completely unverifiable. Hqb 20:31, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment User:Ge alchemist has been indefinitely blocked. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 20:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - hoax. JohnCD (talk) 21:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Ridiculously implausible - freon is a gas at STP; you can't make an engine component out of it. Zetawoof(ζ) 22:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Seems like a pretty evident hoax. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, complete bollocks. sh¤y 23:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete An article that is full of non-exsistent crap. ThundermasterThundermaster's Talk 11:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Sancho 20:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rizzo[edit]
This comic strip has no sources except the creators' website, it's effectively self-syndicated (this is Google's first hit for the syndicate, King Creators United), the collection book is self-published (the article on the book was previously deleted). There is no indication of notability. Prod was removed by someone who trusted the article's grandiose claims. Huon (talk) 15:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - as the person who deprodded it, I didn't 'trust the article's grandiose claims', I just didn't think PROD was suitable, i.e. deletion may not be uncontroversial. Please limit yourself to presenting your own arguments.--Michig (talk) 15:14, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - it has been published in book form, running to a second edition, although it may have been self-published - publisher is Booksurge (an Amazon company). I tried to find further sources but couldn't find anything significant. If the comic strip has appeared in 'over 20 periodicals', it may be sufficiently notable, but the article really needs some reliable sources.--Michig (talk) 15:38, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletions. —Hiding T 13:55, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - it might be small, which is exactly why people might want to look it up. It's not completely unknown. --.Tom. (talk) 14:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, still no independent sources. AnteaterZot 23:57, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —Random832 20:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)—Random832 20:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Minimal established notability per WP:N. The article's author, Ram Patu (talk · contribs), created this article, Rizzo: Year One (deleted here when it became clear that BookSurge was a vanity press), Sean Simmans, & Chris Riseley (deleted here), almost establishing a walled garden. If kept, the broken source for the SLC Weekly claim could be updated to this, I guess... — Scientizzle 20:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Consensus to delete. 1 != 2 20:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Polyneutron[edit]
This represents the ideas of one un-notable person "John C. Fisher" that has not received any notice outside the fringe community he promotes his ideas in. Subject to the rules of fringe theory inclusion and undue weight as well as representing original resesarch, this article about a pseudoscientific concept does not belong in our encyclopedia because it is not notable enough to have received any mention in mainstream scientific journals, the popular press, or even skeptical debunking. It is the opinion of the nominator that the article exists solely to inappropriately promote the idea and use Wikipedia as a platform to advertise for Fisher's fringe theory. ScienceApologist 20:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete published but fringe and apparently not widely noted. Lies somewhere on the border of meeting WP:RS but conflicting with WP:FRINGE and WP:WEIGHT per nom. JJL 20:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, I see no evidence Fisher promoted his own ideas on wikipedia. I do not think ScienceApologist is qualified make qualifications such as un-notable or fringe theory. The topic is referenced, nothing wrong there. I see no qualitative difference between the polyneutrons (weird?) or the tetraneutrons (valid research?), all looks equally weird to me. V8rik (talk) 21:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- not sure - the idea is not mainstream physics, but Fisher (and helpers) appears to be honestly working towards a real theory. neutrons have mass, and so they are measureable....that these poly neutrons don't seem to be observed through normal methods is troubling towards the pseudo-ness of the work. There are some sources, and some quasi-reliable review, but no straight up mainstream reivew/discussion of the work. Rather than fringe and undo weight arguements, the status of the article should be more on straight up notability and reliable sources evaluations, and I'm not sold on deletion or inclusion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocksanddirt (talk • contribs) 21:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per SA. This articles gives no indication of attention from either the mainstream physics community or the press/public. The sources are all primary, and thus there is no evidence of notability. Someguy1221 (talk) 22:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Fisher simply has not got measurable replies from the scientific community. Even criticism would imply some relevance, but there is only silence. --Pjacobi (talk) 22:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - without prejudice for recreation if sources other than Fisher can be found indicating that the idea has become notablie in the scientific community. John Carter (talk) 22:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge a summary into neutronium 132.205.44.5 (talk) 22:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: The first part of the article seems... "off" from a scientific standpoint. The history section just looks like an excuse to throw in some cold fusion theories, I don't see the connection at all. Failing that, we apparently already have an article on neutronium, and I see no real difference between the two. sh¤y 23:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Well, the difference would be that neutronium is actually accepted by the scientific community ;-) Someguy1221 (talk) 23:31, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and/or merge - I suppose some of this might be worthy of a footnote at Tetraneutron or Neutronium. I don't want to say it's a POV-fork - that rather presumes bad faith. However, if there's any information from this article that appears in high-quality sources, it would be better mentioned in one of those articles, and if there isn't, it shouldn't be presented as an established theory. Adam Cuerden talk 01:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. No reliable sources to show notability. EdJohnston (talk) 04:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete There's no serious scientific or even popular discussion of this theory. It's a theoretical particle invented to explain a phenomenon, cold fusion, which doesn't exist either. The reason there's no proper peer reviewed articles on this topic is because it isn't science. Polyneutons would be big enough to detect so why aren't they detected? We can detect neutrinos and they have no charge, almost no mass, and pass through matter at nearly the speed of light as if it wasn't there. Gravitons are a bit more elusive I'll admit but at least there's a decent theory to say they should be there. Polyneutons, on the other hand, are not detected because they don't exist. Nick mallory (talk) 08:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete seems like classic fringe science, non-notable. Physchim62 (talk) 12:38, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep after tear-down and rebuild. The term polyneutron is a legitimate concept that goes back to Maria Goeppert-Mayer and Edward Teller in 1949 (see Phys. Rev. 76, 1226 - 1231 (1949)). The Mayer-Teller polyneutron model assumes that “an assembly of neutrons forms a nuclear fluid which will not spontaneously disintegrate into neutrons.” They use the model to explain the formation of the heavy elements. The problem with the polyneutron article is that it focuses on their use to explain cold fusion, not with the concept itself. This article can be saved, but it needs a brain transplant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkmurray (talk • contribs) 15:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, but we better can have a completely new article after deletion. Searching for references I've also seen that the term "polyneutron" was used in theories of nucleosynthesis in the 40s and 50s. Obsolete theory but maybe of historical interest. --Pjacobi (talk) 21:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete In the absence of any evidence that the topic is discussed within the scientific community, even in the context of debunking it, it seems clear that Polyneutron is not suitably notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. Following deletion, a separate article can be created for the older concept with the same name (mentioned above by Kkmurray), if it is notable. --Ed (Edgar181) 16:57, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: People keep insisting the article is about fringe science (unlike tetraneutron or neutronium but why?). Fisher published in the journal Fusion Technol, does not exist anymore, but I have no indications it is a irregular journal. V8rik (talk) 17:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Unlike the article under discussion, tetraneutron is about a case where the experimental result: "we looked, but didn't find them" was entirely consistent with the mainstream theoretical prediction: "they're not quite bound". JohnAspinall (talk) 02:47, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Skimming citations to Fusion Technol, it seems to have been used to publish cold fusion theories, which have been well outside mainstream physics since soon after it first appeared. Someguy1221 (talk) 18:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete It's "fringe de la fringe". As the edit history and talk page will show, I have been attempting to inject mainstream physics in the article for balance, but I do not believe the topic really deserves that level of attention. I am sympathetic to Kkmurray's urge to provide a brain transplant, but urge facial reconstruction too, i.e. the primary title should not be Polyneutron, but something like "Mayer-Teller Polyneutron Theory" with only a redirect from the current article's title. JohnAspinall (talk) 03:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete no evidence of notability, as a fringe theory or otherwise.DGG (talk) 08:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 01:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Seegorgian[edit]
WP:NFT, WP:V —Caesura(t) 20:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete as admittedly made-up. Pastordavid 20:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete - per WP:MADEUP (and could somebody else look at this editor's only other article?) --Orange Mike | Talk 20:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment This note was moved from the talk page: Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 20:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- please dont delete. Ge alchemist 20:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Google doesn't think it exists; definite hoax. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 20:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment User:Ge alchemist has been indefinitely blocked. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 20:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep, Consensus is clear that the article should be kept and cleaned up, even though there are several weak arguments for keeping. Will add a cleanup tag to the article. Davewild (talk) 20:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
List of Avatar: The Last Airbender major secondary characters[edit]
- List of Avatar: The Last Airbender major secondary characters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Completely unencyclopaedic article with massive flaws. Where to begin... Wikipedia is WP:NOT for hundreds of kilobytes dedicated to summarizing minutae about fictional secondary characters (plot elements), not to mention not a place for indiscriminant information, nonexistant notability, no reliable secondary sources, full of blatant copyvio images with deceptive copyright tags. Also, be prepared to be pre-emptively called a deletionist jackass for trying to apply our rules/standards.
Merge andDelete as nominator. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 19:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]- You cannot merge and delete. Well, you could, but it'd be a pain in the ass for the admin who would merge the histories. You want just merge. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I don't see anything to merge, or a place to merge it to. Article is nothing but plot summaries, no real world context, no secondary sources. Ridernyc 20:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep for starters, the nominator doesn't even understand that the deleting editors around here don't understand the concept of MERGE. It's not their job. That's what normal editing is for. It's delete or keep. There is no merges around here. Additionally, even if merge was an option, it is TOTALLY inappropriate in this case. All the Avatar pages are actually too big as is, and most need splitting/trimming, not merging. Secondly, overly much info is not grounds for deletion, it's grounds for cleaning it up or splitting it. The shear amount of readership and editing the page gets by an absolutely insane number of people make it more notable that a good percentage of the articles on wiki and this is a clear example of empty criticism. It also makes it difficult to do editing on as it gets so many edits (it got ~30 edits in 1 day on dec 3 by ~18 different editors). If you have issue with the images, take it to the proper place, the images. Additionally, secondary sources is a guideline, not a policy, and shouldn't even be mentioned in a deletion discussion. Verifiable content is the policy, and the fact that these characters exist is easily verifiable (the very images the nominator complains about are making it pretty clear the character exists), and the article already has some referencing beyond that. One last thing, even the indiscriminant information says "A brief plot summary may sometimes be appropriate as an aspect of a larger topic." Yes, they need editing, deleting is not warranted.Derekloffin 20:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge is a courtesy suggestion to salvage any germane information from the article, which should be deleted.
- Neither the frequency of edits, nor your speculative "absolutely insane number of people" has any mention or place in our general notability guideline and specific fiction guideline.
- Existance of fraudulently used images is indicative (to me) that the shephards of an article are more concerned with expanding the article than they are interested in following rules (especailly when dealing with copyright violations). I'm especially concerned with stuff like this image, in which the uploader claims to have created it and released it to the public domain.
- WP:RS is our most sacred guideline, and certainly has place in a deletion discussion.
- If you're going to quote a guideline, please don't attempt to change it's meaning by leaving out the qualifier. The entire quote reads (emphasis added):
.Wikipedia articles on published works (such as fictional stories) should cover their real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's development, impact or historical significance, not solely a detailed summary of that work's plot. This applies both to stand-alone works, and also to series. A brief plot summary may sometimes be appropriate as an aspect of a larger topic.
- None of the content within this article relates to "real world context and sourced analysis" (or any of the rest of the requirement). It also clearly states "not solely a detailed summary of that work's plot". A huge article dedicated to minor characters in a cartoon is way beyond a "brief plot summary".
- Hope this helps. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 21:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and cleanup a character list, no matter how damn crufty it may be, is an acceptable fork however you slice it. The title seems odd, though not a terribly big deal, and Blaxthos' point about images is relevant, but all this leans towards cleanup. At worst, a merge would be the desired result. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A fork is only acceptable if the content is compliant with the notability guidelines and does not fail WP:NOT (this article fails both). /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thus why I suggested cleanup. I don't even watch this show and know that half these characters are significant to the plot. It needs a new name and some plot stabbing, that's all. Lists of characters are acceptable forks, this one was just poorly executed. Like I said, at worst this needs merging, not deleting. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I would say that a "brief summary of the plot" wouldn't include detailed information regarding (or even mention of) admitted "secondary characters". Even if we grant your notability argument (which I have trouble following), how does any of this merit an encyclopaedic treatment of the topic (specifically, real-world context and impact that is not solely dedicated to plot elements, as required in WP:NOT)? /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You keep going on about that, but it's not terribly relevant. It is one thing to have a single character article that fails NOT. Character list articles exist for the express purpose of clumping together characters which on their own could not pass but as a group are relevant to the understanding of the topic, which these are. You've swept yourself up in the letter of the rules without considering the spirit. Just because they don't have the info doesn't mean they can't, and just because it's an excessively long block of crap doesn't mean outright deletion is the answer. One does not throw the baby out with the bathwater. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I suppose it's just a fundamental difference of opinion -- I do not believe Wikipedia serves as a repository for massive amounts of in-universe discussion of plot elements. Accusation of wikilawyering not withstanding, most of our guidelines seem to explicitly state exactly my point. /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 23:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- making a large list solely consisting of plot elements is no different then making 20 separate articles consisting solely of plot elements.Ridernyc (talk) 23:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The former is still considered more acceptable than the latter, and our guidelines state that such topics should for the most part be considered an extension of the parent article. Our arguing aside, I stand by my position: this article, or where it is merged to, is acceptable even with a lack of real-world info, as it furthers understanding of the topic (albeit excessively at the moment) for readers, and deleting the information would be harmful to that end. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:58, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there a policy or guideline (beyond WP:IAR) that supports your claim? If not, I have to say that explicit instructions on direct point trump an implicit "spirit" based on "furthering understanding". /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 01:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- There's also common sense and Wikipedia precedent. Not all decisions need to be hard-outlined in rules, as you are quite insistent on doing. The characters as a group are notable and the article with cleaning is a perfectly acceptable content fork. I'm tried of repeating this. Even merging is fine, but deletion is simply not a good way to deal with this article. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there a policy or guideline (beyond WP:IAR) that supports your claim? If not, I have to say that explicit instructions on direct point trump an implicit "spirit" based on "furthering understanding". /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 01:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The former is still considered more acceptable than the latter, and our guidelines state that such topics should for the most part be considered an extension of the parent article. Our arguing aside, I stand by my position: this article, or where it is merged to, is acceptable even with a lack of real-world info, as it furthers understanding of the topic (albeit excessively at the moment) for readers, and deleting the information would be harmful to that end. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:58, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You keep going on about that, but it's not terribly relevant. It is one thing to have a single character article that fails NOT. Character list articles exist for the express purpose of clumping together characters which on their own could not pass but as a group are relevant to the understanding of the topic, which these are. You've swept yourself up in the letter of the rules without considering the spirit. Just because they don't have the info doesn't mean they can't, and just because it's an excessively long block of crap doesn't mean outright deletion is the answer. One does not throw the baby out with the bathwater. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I would say that a "brief summary of the plot" wouldn't include detailed information regarding (or even mention of) admitted "secondary characters". Even if we grant your notability argument (which I have trouble following), how does any of this merit an encyclopaedic treatment of the topic (specifically, real-world context and impact that is not solely dedicated to plot elements, as required in WP:NOT)? /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thus why I suggested cleanup. I don't even watch this show and know that half these characters are significant to the plot. It needs a new name and some plot stabbing, that's all. Lists of characters are acceptable forks, this one was just poorly executed. Like I said, at worst this needs merging, not deleting. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A fork is only acceptable if the content is compliant with the notability guidelines and does not fail WP:NOT (this article fails both). /Blaxthos ( t / c ) 22:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete - Even the title is a major POV mess; who is to say that those characters are "major" or "secondary". Otherwise, merge into main characters list if there is one. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Trim (very much) and Merge to List of Avatar: The Last Airbender characters per nom (leaving transwiki as an editorial option). Other issues like images can/should be addressed outside this AfD. – sgeureka t•c 21:48, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge as above. ''[[User:Kitia|Kitia]]'' (talk) 21:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I would like to point out that the Avatar project group is very open to suggestions and working to improve the project and articles. I've started a discussion with them about removing the individual episode articles and so far they are very open to trying to merge them and improve the situation. Many of them realize that alot of the articles cross the line. Ridernyc (talk) 23:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep AFD is not cleanup. Colonel Warden (talk) 23:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- want to actually make some suggestions there? Find some sources, find some real world content. If you can't then this can not be cleaned up to meet policy. Ridernyc (talk) 23:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- He does not need to do that. Those who edit the article do. Ask them. — Someguy0830 (T |C) 00:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- he is making unfounded claims that the article can be cleaned up. When you make claims you need to support them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ridernyc (talk • contribs)
- No, when you make claims in an article, you need to support them. This is an AfD, where no such requirement is necessary. No effort has been made and that is the core of his argument. He is not required to make the effort to support the claim. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a debate, pretty much by definition claims need to be supported in a debate. He made a rather meaningless statemnt in the debate. a statement he repeatedly makes in many debates. If he wants his statment to mean anything he needs to support it. Ridernyc (talk) 01:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Also if you read the guideline he constantly links to it has little to do with this debate.Ridernyc (talk) 01:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That's where you'd be wrong. No effort was made to review or do something about the cruft. The whole attitude here is basically "to hell with the characters because they're crufty," when anyone who takes a few minutes to review the material can easily see that a merge proposal would have been a far more appropriate venue, which AfD isn't for. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Then he needs to say that and not just "AFD is not cleanup". Ridernyc (talk) 01:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Stop arguing about whether or not he should have supported his argument, this is a nomination for deletion. Besides, he gave a link to a guideline explaining himself. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 01:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Then he needs to say that and not just "AFD is not cleanup". Ridernyc (talk) 01:16, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That's where you'd be wrong. No effort was made to review or do something about the cruft. The whole attitude here is basically "to hell with the characters because they're crufty," when anyone who takes a few minutes to review the material can easily see that a merge proposal would have been a far more appropriate venue, which AfD isn't for. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- No, when you make claims in an article, you need to support them. This is an AfD, where no such requirement is necessary. No effort has been made and that is the core of his argument. He is not required to make the effort to support the claim. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- he is making unfounded claims that the article can be cleaned up. When you make claims you need to support them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ridernyc (talk • contribs)
- He does not need to do that. Those who edit the article do. Ask them. — Someguy0830 (T |C) 00:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- want to actually make some suggestions there? Find some sources, find some real world content. If you can't then this can not be cleaned up to meet policy. Ridernyc (talk) 23:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep This article may need a lot of cleanup, but the article is linked to often throughout numerous amounts of articles relating to the topic. If the article is deleted, every time a page links to a character on this page, it would have to be re-written, explaining who the character is. This is a cumbersome process and since the article just needs some clean-up or to be merged, deletion is not the answer. I plead you to change your mind. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 00:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A redirect would solve that problem, as would a simple AWB substing run. That kind of harm isn't enough reason. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A redirect and an AWB run is not going to edit twenty or more articles to include a character description in context. It is not as simple as putting in two sentences. The section of each article has to be edited to include an explanation of the character. In addition, your rebuttal still does not justify how this article should be deleted instead of just cleaned up or merged. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 01:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm arguing to keep or merge, just so that's clear. Reasonably, these characters would still be covered elsewhere, hence a redirect would do the job. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh okay. As long as the article is not deleted, I'm good with that. In fact, it would be better if merged. However, if anybody comes along and says it should be deleted, they need to know the real difficulty of replacing the information in the article, referenced or unreferenced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Parent5446 (talk • contribs) 02:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm arguing to keep or merge, just so that's clear. Reasonably, these characters would still be covered elsewhere, hence a redirect would do the job. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A redirect and an AWB run is not going to edit twenty or more articles to include a character description in context. It is not as simple as putting in two sentences. The section of each article has to be edited to include an explanation of the character. In addition, your rebuttal still does not justify how this article should be deleted instead of just cleaned up or merged. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 01:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A redirect would solve that problem, as would a simple AWB substing run. That kind of harm isn't enough reason. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Combination articles & lists like this are the way to go for minor characters who individually might not be appropriate for an article. They are a useful compromise. The individual characters do not have to be notable--they are just part of the content. DGG (talk) 06:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletions. -- Hiding T 13:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Is it within our remit to be this detailed? Should we be going into such detail in our plot summarising and characterisation, to the detriment of contextualising and the encyclopedic method? Not sure where this fits in between not being paper and not being indiscriminate. Hiding T 14:12, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Colonel Warden, and no I don't need to justify if cleanup is possible. It is reasonable that an article of this name exists and that is the only thing up for discussion in an Afd. Forks of this type are quite reasonable, and defined in WP:FICTION. Again, as some people are confused here, I am talking about the existence of the article and the fact that it is not a redirect. If you don't like the content, please fix it yourself in a civil manner. -Verdatum (talk) 18:52, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Agreed with everyone above, you don't delete an article to clean it up except in BLP conditions. Lawrence Cohen 23:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- again has anyone shown that this page can be cleaned up to meet WP:Plot, if there are no sources for real world context, and no secondary sources how can this be cleaned up? Ridernyc (talk) 23:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply In terms of the question of whether the article should be kept or deleted, I can. Please read WP:PROBLEM. -Verdatum (talk) 00:03, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- (ec to Ridernyc) Will you stop going on about that? Over and over you tow the same line while failing to realize the simple fact that people can find them. It is not required that people in the AfD do this, and your continued rehashing of the same argument will not affect the outcome. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:05, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Please remain civil.
I'm afraid I don't know what you mean by "people can find them". In this sentence to what does "them" refer? I am not "rehashing" the same argument. The previous argument made was WP:NOEFFORT, these are two separate points. I link to it because it represents a well formed argument, achieved by general concensus of the WP community that has not yet been mentioned in this discussion, yet seems extremely applicable and seems to answer the request made. If you chooose to reject it, which you are of course welcome to do, I ask that you please read WP:ONLYESSAY. Modifying or clarifying an argument to better communicate your position is not "rehashing", it is instead the essence of a disscussion.-Verdatum (talk) 00:30, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Sorry, should have done edit conflict note. It was intended as a reply to Ridernyc, not you. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Will you stop saying it's not your job, it's easy to do and would end the debate. And yes it is your job in an AFD debate to provide evidence. You need to support the claims you make in the debate. From Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion "Remember that while AfD may look like a voting process, it does not operate like one. Justification and evidence for a response carries far more weight than the response itself. Thus, you should not attempt to structure the AfD process like a vote:. Ridernyc (talk) 10:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Ridernyc, I do not see any evidence to suggest that Someguy0830 believes that this is a voting process. He and others have given justifications, but as I interpret it, you are choosing to ignore them. The way I interpret WP:PROBLEM is that the burdon of proof is on the challenger. As Lawrence Cohen says, "you don't delete an article to clean it up except in BLP conditions." Further, Looking at the article's discussion page, I see no evidence that anyone has made a signifigant effort to perform a consentual cleanup. Since you are so adamant for proof that it cannot be cleaned up, perhaps you should make a civil effort to do so. If you succeed, your efforts will be appreciated. If you fail in such a way that shows that cleanup is impossible, then you have some proof, and if you succeed and the result is an article that is a tiny fraction of it's original size, then you'd probably get a lot more support for a merge/delete proposal. As for those who say keep, I assume we are fine with the article as is for now and will make an effort to clean up the article as our priorities allow. -Verdatum (talk) 14:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The fact is, unless it is pointed out to the people in the wiki-project that the article needs to be fixed to meet Encyclopedia standards, nothing is going to be done about it. Also, if this does end keep with clean-up needed, pleases don't renominate it in a month, cause currently, we are working on merging the episode articles into seasons and have the holidays coming up, editing will be sparodic and focused on saving the information in 50 episode articles rather than fixxing this one. The Placebo Effect (talk) 16:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Ridernyc, I do not see any evidence to suggest that Someguy0830 believes that this is a voting process. He and others have given justifications, but as I interpret it, you are choosing to ignore them. The way I interpret WP:PROBLEM is that the burdon of proof is on the challenger. As Lawrence Cohen says, "you don't delete an article to clean it up except in BLP conditions." Further, Looking at the article's discussion page, I see no evidence that anyone has made a signifigant effort to perform a consentual cleanup. Since you are so adamant for proof that it cannot be cleaned up, perhaps you should make a civil effort to do so. If you succeed, your efforts will be appreciated. If you fail in such a way that shows that cleanup is impossible, then you have some proof, and if you succeed and the result is an article that is a tiny fraction of it's original size, then you'd probably get a lot more support for a merge/delete proposal. As for those who say keep, I assume we are fine with the article as is for now and will make an effort to clean up the article as our priorities allow. -Verdatum (talk) 14:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay. First off, this article is about a TV Show. Therefore, you have as much sources as you could possibly need for an article about secondary characters like this one. In addition, you have a variety of websites (such as TV.com, though that is not the only one), that also would have sources that information could be referenced to in the article. Every other part of the article that needs cleaning up just needs an experienced editor to fix prose, etc. I do not see how this article could possibly not be cleaned up. Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 21:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Primary sources like the show itself do not establish notability. Furthermore, WP:NOT#PLOT is policy. Second, tv.com is not a reliable source because it has no editorial oversight. Therefore, it can't be used as source. What this article would need to be cleaned up is about 70kB of secondary sources to justify 70kB kB of plot (per WP:WAF, which mentions a "balanced use of both primary and secondary sources.") If this can't be provided, the plot should definately be trimmed. If it is trimmed, it is so short that it can be merged to the main character-list. – sgeureka t•c 22:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It is ridiculous to assume that we should have a one to one ratio for secondary sources and primary sources, and WAF states nothing of the sort. Balance is not equal, as these things do not weigh the same. Arbitrarily establishing numbers off a deliberately non-numbered proposal accomplishes nothings. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I personally suspect sgeureka's scenario is accurate. However, someone should take the time to trim this article in a manner that reaches concensus on the article's discussion page. Then if the content is not sufficient to justify a fork due to pagesize, propose a merge. Then perform the merge once concensus is reached that a merge should be done. Then this article can be switched to a redirect to the mergeto page. Then it would be reasonable to request a delete. But since concensus takes some time, the appropriate action at this time is to keep. -Verdatum (talk) 23:23, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree that it should be trimmed, I just disagree with the assertion of how the sources should work. In a list article, one or two for every character would be more than enough. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- My point was not so much that a one to one ratio is appropriate, but that a two-out-of-universe-sources to 70bB ratio is widely inappropriate, necessitating a major trim, probably making a merge very interesting. – sgeureka t•c 00:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In that respect, I'd agree. A merge would easily be viable if the characters were cut down, both on this and the merge target. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 01:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- My point was not so much that a one to one ratio is appropriate, but that a two-out-of-universe-sources to 70bB ratio is widely inappropriate, necessitating a major trim, probably making a merge very interesting. – sgeureka t•c 00:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree that it should be trimmed, I just disagree with the assertion of how the sources should work. In a list article, one or two for every character would be more than enough. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 23:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Primary sources like the show itself do not establish notability. Furthermore, WP:NOT#PLOT is policy. Second, tv.com is not a reliable source because it has no editorial oversight. Therefore, it can't be used as source. What this article would need to be cleaned up is about 70kB of secondary sources to justify 70kB kB of plot (per WP:WAF, which mentions a "balanced use of both primary and secondary sources.") If this can't be provided, the plot should definately be trimmed. If it is trimmed, it is so short that it can be merged to the main character-list. – sgeureka t•c 22:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Please remain civil.
- again has anyone shown that this page can be cleaned up to meet WP:Plot, if there are no sources for real world context, and no secondary sources how can this be cleaned up? Ridernyc (talk) 23:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Colonel Warden (Duane543 (talk) 21:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC))[reply]
- Keep and cleanup If most of the unnecessary information is gotten rid of, this article can be slimmed down to a much more efficent level, accomidating information about the characters without overly long plot summaries. --Piemanmoo (talk) 02:03, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Arogi Ho (talk) 21:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Necessary for adequate description of the series. A rap on the knuckles for the nominator for pre-emptively assuring people that this is to be a combat situation, not co-operative. --Kizor (talk) 16:27, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was deleted as nonsense. ➔ REDVEЯS likes kittens... and you 20:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sakawaki[edit]
Looks like a hoax, unless anyone can confirm the existence of this town. Google hits are not encouraging. —Caesura(t) 19:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, looks like a hoax created by a problematic user. hateless 20:08, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete It definitely does not exist. --CastAStone|(talk) 20:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as hoax. User has been sent to ARV for constant vandalism. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 20:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Davewild (talk) 20:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ladies Call[edit]
Per WP:CRYSTAL. No sources that it will be released as a single. No evidence that the song even exists. Prod removed without explanation. 17Drew 19:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - no reliable evidence to indicate this will be the third single from an album that has not yet been released. -- Whpq (talk) 20:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete -there is absolutely no evidence that she will release this song as the third single, or if it even exists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.142.248 (talk) 14:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Pigman☿ 00:11, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
List of glam metal bands[edit]
- List of glam metal bands (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
There's no need for a list when Category:Glam metal groups exists. Funeral 18:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment how do you determine who is or isn't a Glam Metal band? RMHED 21:05, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment On Wikipedia, through reliable sources. Funeral 21:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment This article has 3 red links, obviously not part of the category, but on the other hand, 3 is not that many. --Thinboy00 @12, i.e. 23:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete content covered perfectly well by a category. Fair Deal (talk) 14:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete-use a category. Peter Fleet (talk) 09:43, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete. Part of a series of nonsense and vandalism by Honeysuckledivine (talk · contribs). --Fang Aili talk 18:58, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Bitchery[edit]
Non-notable, unverifiable neologism. —Caesura(t) 18:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - as per no reliable sourcing, no assertion of notability and clearly a violation of the no original research policy. — Rudget contributions 18:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete. Part of a series of nonsense and vandalism by Honeysuckledivine (talk · contribs). --Fang Aili talk 18:58, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Mother Jeffer[edit]
- Mother Jeffer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Not-notable, unverifiable neologism. —Caesura(t) 18:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete No signs this neologism has caught on, been widely used, or been written about. Fails WP:V as well. Fails the guideline WP:NEO Edison 18:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - as per no reliable sourcing, no assertion of notability and clearly a violation of the no original research policy. — Rudget contributions 18:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete under WP:V, WP:NEO, and especially WP:MADEUP. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:58, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete--JForget 01:37, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Edwardsville owl emporium[edit]
- Edwardsville owl emporium (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Hoax Toddst1 18:34, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Hoaxalicious. Fails WP:V. Edison 18:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - as per hoax. Nothing verifiable in there and both citations provided aren't relevant to the claims. — Rudget contributions 19:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete unverifiable and smells awfully hoaxy. Maralia (talk) 22:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, this is just silly. sh¤y 23:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete - this article is the sole Google hit for "Edwardsville Owl Emporium", which establishes non-notability if not hoax status. Skomorokh incite 23:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was No consensus. Note that this discussion does not override any deletion via our Biography of living persons policy. I would strongly recommend looking at the application of the WP:BLP policy in granting the subjects request to delete the article.. Mercury 05:01, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Postscript: Since there was no consensus, I have taken into account BLP and the subject's wishes and the article has been deleted this morning. Mercury 15:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Angela Beesley[edit]
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angela Beesley
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angela Beesley (2nd nomination)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angela Beesley (3rd nomination)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angela Beesley (4th nomination)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angela Beesley (5th nomination)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angela Beesley (6th nomination)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angela Beesley (7th nom)
- Angela Beesley (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Nominating for courtesy deletion or redirect per a request from Angela Beesley. In the half year since the last time this article was nominated, consensus has moved toward deletion/redirect upon request for not-very-notable BLP subjects. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rand Fishkin, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Seth_Finkelstein_(2nd), and Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Daniel_Brandt_(14th_nomination). If Angela Beesley had the same amount of notability for something that wasn't related to Wikipedia I doubt many of us would have heard about her. This isn't so much a biography as a catalog of her involvement at WMF and Wikia. As such it's basically a resume, unlikely to expand past a stub. Any meaningful content can be covered elsewhere. I ask that we respect the wishes of the person this page affects most and delete. Courtesy costs nothing. DurovaCharge! 18:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Expanding on the above: this nomination reflects no favoritism. Half a year ago I proposed deletions for the biographies of two of Wikipedia's most prominent critics on the same basis as I offer this, and I will make the same nomination upon request for anyone who meets the same criteria. Namely, they're not famous enough to be profiled in any paper and ink encyclopedia, including specialty encyclopedias, and they request deletion. Think of a Rolling Stone encyclopedia of rock music: we wouldn't delete Sting, but if some bass player wanted out whose career highlight was to record two songs with Sting twenty years ago, we'd be courteous.
- We ask biography subjects not to edit pages about themselves. Since the consequences of the page's existence affects these individuals far more than anyone else, it's only fair to extend one courtesy in return. They may not censor, vet, or spin the content. But if they don't make much difference to the overall completeness of Wikipedia and they want out, let's be gracious and give them that out. DurovaCharge! 16:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment
First, Durova, your implication is that she really wants out, which isn't entirely true from what she has stated publicly. Second, an encyclopedia of music would more than likely keep musicians that played on Stings albums, expecially if they played bass, since Sting is THE BASS player in his band. AMG lists all players under "credits." The players do not get to take their names off the list. They played, they are part of history. Third, if WP removes all articles of people that want them removed, then you have a case. Do you have a case for that? WP rarely allows people to vanish; especially not people with articles. Cheers, Nice (talk) 01:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Regarding the accuracy of the statement, please see my comments below. I apologize if you dislike that particular example. There's a difference between something being verifiable and something that rises to enough significance that a print encyclopedia would cover it. That was the distinction I was aiming to illustrate. DurovaCharge! 01:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete re BLP and nominator. Thanks, SqueakBox 18:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and Redirect to Wikia. RMHED 18:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep - Sourced, asserts notability, consensus reached at other AFDs, if pushed, redirect to Wikia. — Rudget contributions 18:59, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Satisfies WP:N and WP:V per provided references. Nobody of Consequence 19:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - I don't see Angela requesting deletion. Bramlet Abercrombie 19:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete based on precident;
Wouldn't it make more sense to redirect to User:Angela?--CastAStone|(talk) 20:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Redirects from mainspace to userspace are generally disfavored. Joe 20:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah, Thank you. Then a redirect to Wikia makes sense, as per RMHED.--CastAStone|(talk) 20:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Angela has done a hell of a lot for this project, I think this is the least we can do to repay her, and the fact that consensus in other discussions is leaning towards this outcome. Qst 20:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete There does seem to be some notability, but Angela does not seem to have been the subject of multiple independant articles or books so I lean towards respecting her wishes.TheRingess (talk) 20:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep This article has some citations, and I'm sure more can be found. As an aside: While I respect Ms. Beesley's wishes, I feel that by her requesting her own article be deleted, and the community responding to said request will only create a questionable precedent. What if other individuals request that their article be deleted completely if they do not agree with Wikipedia? PR aside, it would cause a great deal of havoc for Admins if this was an option. I'm uncomfortable with this request, and even though it is the 7th Nom, we should not heed it. We are an encyclopedia attempting the sum of all knowledge, let us not censored ourself from within. Zidel333 (talk) 22:21, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep We should not be setting a bad example and allowing "vanity deletions", especially by Wikia and Wikipedia employees. It is also bad to put Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Daniel_Brandt_(14th_nomination) and Wikipedia people in the same exemption category, as anti Wikipedia openness. Why does she have a blog with 10 times the personal information in it? Why isn't she, as a Wikipedia contributer herself, arguing here for deletion herself? Why doesn't she go directly to the Wikimedia Foundation and ask them to delete it? This just looks bad. Can I just cut and paste this into the 8th? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Such repetition seems vexatious. Colonel Warden (talk) 23:05, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It is disrespectful to all the editors that took the time to comment on the previous six nominations. It seems that Ms Beesley does not actually care much about this and the material in question is likely to be preserved by other sites regardless. So you are wasting our time with a personal obsession - a typical vexatious litigant. Colonel Warden (talk) 00:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It is not direspectful it is standard practice; and nothing here is made in stone, ie it is no more disrespectful than changing someone else's edits by editing an article. And you seem not to have realisedt hat other sites will only produce a stable version and are unlikely to be as well visited as wikipedia where anyone being able to edit means the article is subject to both changes and vandalism. Thanks, SqueakBox 00:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Please refactor the personal obsession comment. I
didn't even participatein the previous deletion discussions. The tone of that comment is quite disrespectful. DurovaCharge! 00:34, 5 December 2007 (UTC) Slight refactor; I participated in one of the previous six discussions.[reply]
- Looking back at these previous discussions, it seems that the original reason for wanting deletion was recurring vandalism. But in the last six months, there seems to have just one brief attempt at vandalism - around 16-17 June. Since then the article seems to have been fairly stable. Please explain why this matter is being raised again at this time. My impression is that it is not occasioned by a current problem but just a determination to settle an old score. Your personal history in this matter is perhaps irrelevant as you indicate that you are acting as a proxy for Ms Beesley. Colonel Warden (talk) 01:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The WP:BLP policy became a little more expansive and a handful of people at the lower end of the notability range have requested and received courtesy deletions. It doesn't have much effect on the database and it earns some goodwill. Any meaningful material on this bio could be moved elsewhere. So why not honor Ms. Beesley's wishes? DurovaCharge! 01:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Please refactor the personal obsession comment. I
- Yes indeed consensus can change; Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeb Bush, Jr. (third nomination) is a case in point. RMHED (talk) 23:58, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I see no evidence of editors changing their mind in that case. It just seemed to be wilful persistence until a deletion result was obtained - an obvious breach of the double jeopardy principle. Colonel Warden (talk) 01:36, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In both the last afds of Daniel Brandt and Don Murphy we saw a huge shift in consensus from the previous afd of these 2 bios, there is no question but that consensus does change. Thanks, SqueakBox 01:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete My arguments on this topic are well-known by now, and I incorporate them by reference :-) -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 23:55, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep with regret I feel very odd about this, this isn't the same as someone want to vanish from Wikipedia, and I know many people here have already disagreed with me on this, and wish to respect her wishes to have her article deleted, but I respect her too, I believe she is notable, asides from what is listed on her article, Ms Beesley is listed at notable name database [7] they will add just any name, mention at a government site [8] CNN Money twice [9] [10] has 31,700 Googe hits quote in Newsweek [11] the Article Wikipedia:Wikipedia_on_TV_and_radio list these appearances"
- June 22, 2006: Primetime Morning Show on Channel NewsAsia: Angela Beesley answered general questions about Wikipedia's growth and how vandalism is dealt with.
- June 21, 2006: Asia Squawk Box on CNBC Asia with Lisa Oake - Angela Beesley discussed semi-protection and other issues.
- March 29, 2005: Angela Beesley spoke about Wikipedia in relation to Knowledge Management as part of the "Nice Work" show on BBC Radio 4. [23]
- November 17, 2004: Angela discusses Wikipedia on the You and Yours programme on BBC Radio 4. You can listen to it at [26] but you might need some sort of plugins."
Plus like minds all over the WikiWorld seem to agree. [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] You can not un-ring a bell, I'm sorry Angela, no disrespect really, but like it or not, you're notable. ▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡Talk 05:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Her accomplishments would seem to make her sufficiently notable as to be included. Deletion because the subject requests it is never a good thing, since it will open a potential can of worms at least in terms of nominations, if not long-running deletion debates. I understand that there is a developing precedent for things of this nature, but mark me down as one of the troglodytes who will argue against its application given a chance. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 06:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The can of worms was open a long time ago. Thanks, SqueakBox 06:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Regardless of when it was opened, there's nothing to say that it can't be closed or that people can't try to close it. It could be quite a task to put the worms back there... BigHaz - Schreit mich an 00:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- And its time that those who thought it was not a good idea speak up and say so--consensus can change, and when it extends to articles like this, it may make it evident that it was a poor idea from day 1. (It can amount to censorship by the subject--write the article the way I like it, or delete it--a drastic violation of NPOV. -- I do not mean that this is the case here -- neither AB nor Durova has done any such thing nor can i imagine that either of them ever would. But something so sussceptible to abuse should not be given a foothold.) DGG (talk) 06:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The can of worms was open a long time ago. Thanks, SqueakBox 06:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment and Question Is it customary to delete articles because the subject of those articles request it? Would we delete an article about Warren Buffett, Bob Dylan, or Bill Clinton if one of them requested it? I'm not voting because I'm not aware of the policy, but I lean toward thinking that we shouldn't delete articles just because the subject asks us to. I could be convinced otherwise possibly. Rray (talk) 15:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The site has long done courtesy deletions for people at the very bottom end of the notability scale. Question is how far to take it. Last June when I nommed Daniel Brandt and Seth Finkelstein I proposed what I called the "dead trees standard". That is, we'll extend courtesy deletions up to the point where a person gets coverage in a paper and ink encyclopedia, including specialty encyclopedias. So world leaders, notorious killers, rock stars, etc. would stay in Wikipedia no matter what. For people who aren't famous or notorious enough for an entry in any printed encyclopedia, we might as well honor their wishes if they really want out of here. DurovaCharge! 16:55, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for answering my question. I appreciate the clarification. I think your dead trees proposal is interesting. Rray (talk) 17:58, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Isn't one of the primary drives of Wikipedia the ability to be proactive, not reactive. I can see merit in the idea of this standard, but for it leading to always being behind the 8 ball. People who are "not yet" notable by print standards, and have an article, which they can opt to have deleted, until they become notable (by print standards), in which case the community has to both recreate work already lost, as well as try to rapidly catch up. Tis an idea you can work on, and propose, but is not policy by consensus, as a single glance at votes here (or indeed almost any AfD on a BLP) would show. I'm also personally vastly opposed to 'courtesy deletes' being 'offered'. Achromatic (talk) 20:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In the half year since I began doing this I have made exactly five nominations on this basis. This is quite rare and has a negligible effect on the site's workload. Compare that to the two years of strife that occurred while we had a Daniel Brandt biography and he didn't want it. We earn goodwill this way, with virtually no downside. I have no objection to merging significant content elsewhere. DurovaCharge! 21:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It is not clear to me that the "dead tree" standard provides a clear boundary. I consider the various Marquis Who's Who to be a series of specialized encyclopedia. Its entries tend to run about the same size as a small Wikipedia entry. What if Angela showed up in their "Who's Who of American Women"? Would that count as a dead tree? I also point out that, among the people listed in Category:Wikipedia people, Angela has been translated into several other languages. Only Jimbo, Larry and Anthere have been translated into more languages.--Laughitup2 (talk) 09:48, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In the half year since I began doing this I have made exactly five nominations on this basis. This is quite rare and has a negligible effect on the site's workload. Compare that to the two years of strife that occurred while we had a Daniel Brandt biography and he didn't want it. We earn goodwill this way, with virtually no downside. I have no objection to merging significant content elsewhere. DurovaCharge! 21:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The site has long done courtesy deletions for people at the very bottom end of the notability scale. Question is how far to take it. Last June when I nommed Daniel Brandt and Seth Finkelstein I proposed what I called the "dead trees standard". That is, we'll extend courtesy deletions up to the point where a person gets coverage in a paper and ink encyclopedia, including specialty encyclopedias. So world leaders, notorious killers, rock stars, etc. would stay in Wikipedia no matter what. For people who aren't famous or notorious enough for an entry in any printed encyclopedia, we might as well honor their wishes if they really want out of here. DurovaCharge! 16:55, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Smerge to Wikia or whatever. -R. fiend (talk) 16:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep See no reason not to, enough notability and citations, plus it survived six previous votes. This will set a bad precedent for those that want their article deleted.Heavytundra (talk) 16:52, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note to closing admin: this account has only 22 edits. DurovaCharge! 17:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- What does it matter how many edits I have? I've been around for a bit, and could easily have over a 100 or more edits if I setup a bot to do nothing but revert recent changes. But I have better things to do with my time. Heavytundra (talk) 17:59, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note to closing admin: this account has only 22 edits. DurovaCharge! 17:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I am extending exactly the same courtesy to Angela Beesley that I extended to Seth Finkelstein, Daniel Brandt, and Rand Fishkin. The community agreed on all three previous occasions. I have no wish to renew any dispute or grievance with Giano, or with any other editor. I ask only that this proposed deletion be weighed fairly on its own merits, and closed according to precedent, without reference to unrelated issues. DurovaCharge! 19:46, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep "Beesley founded a for-profit Wiki hosting service with Jimmy Wales called Wikia. She sits on the advisory board of the media archive Ourmedia and is a co-author of the book Wikis: Tools for Information Work and Collaboration" this alone makes her notable. Deleting this page would be setting an unwise precedent. The project cannot be seen to favour its own in these matters, otherwise who next will want to be deleted? We already have articles on women who have achieved far less in their lives. Notability has its advantages, if some people feel one of the disadvantages is having a page here then so be it. The page though does need to be expanded. Giano (talk) 17:15, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Giano, I went through a similar process of reasoning about the irony involved. I eventually decided that in terms of failure-modes, playing favoritism to Wikipedia insiders was a loser's game. I don't mean this as a reference to, err, recent events, but the, umm, unfortunate incident does show that problem. Here, requiring an insider to have a bio so that they feel the pain of everyone else is not going to work well, since they're always going to have the support so the pain is never more than minor. Sure, they may be irritated, but it's not going to hurt them like it will others. Jimmy Wales's unhappiness with not completely getting his way in his bio on the issue of denying "co-founder" status to Larry Sanger is a case in point. Jimbo didn't get absolutely everything he wanted, but I'd say he got WP:OWN there to an extent far, far, greater than would be granted to any outsider. So, on the balance, I'd say that a generous opt-out policy reduces pain to outsiders far more than it gives an undue advantage to insiders -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 00:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- As a follow-up to Seth's comment (and with reference to what Giano infers below), there's no particular insider angle here. If it comes to my attention that someone wants their biography article deleted from Wikipedia, and that person doesn't seem notable enough to have been covered in any paper-and-ink encyclopedia, then I ask that person if they'd like me to nominate the page for deletion. These conversations are rare. Far more people want to get profiled on Wikipedia than want off of it. Yet I always offer these nominations according to the same criteria. DurovaCharge! 00:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Giano, I went through a similar process of reasoning about the irony involved. I eventually decided that in terms of failure-modes, playing favoritism to Wikipedia insiders was a loser's game. I don't mean this as a reference to, err, recent events, but the, umm, unfortunate incident does show that problem. Here, requiring an insider to have a bio so that they feel the pain of everyone else is not going to work well, since they're always going to have the support so the pain is never more than minor. Sure, they may be irritated, but it's not going to hurt them like it will others. Jimmy Wales's unhappiness with not completely getting his way in his bio on the issue of denying "co-founder" status to Larry Sanger is a case in point. Jimbo didn't get absolutely everything he wanted, but I'd say he got WP:OWN there to an extent far, far, greater than would be granted to any outsider. So, on the balance, I'd say that a generous opt-out policy reduces pain to outsiders far more than it gives an undue advantage to insiders -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 00:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you Durova. This just goes to show then how important I regard this matter. I was rather under the impression the dispute was over. Never the less, I am surprised you are still mentioning your obviously private connections with the Wikipedia hierachy [19]. I hope they bear you in good stead. Giano (talk) 17:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yawn. <sarcasm>I believe this article has been nominated for deletion before.</sarcasm> I wonder what has changed? If this is a delete-by-attrition, it's way too early for that, we need at least wait until the 15th nomination, or whatever. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 18:21, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, per the nom. Cirt (talk) 18:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC).[reply]
- Keep, for reasons explicated above. What is this, "Keep AfDing until it finally gets through"? Achromatic (talk) 00:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- comment Durova please WP:AGF. Giano is not so petty as to be here due to malice towards you and I suspect you are not so important to him as that. The issue is pretty much over is it not, having gone through Arbcom, also has he not stuck to discussing this AfD, rather than attacking you or anything like that, before you implied some other motive?Merkinsmum 19:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Wikipedia seems to be incapable of writing neutral articles about these sorts of subjects. Let some other website handle it. Anthony (talk) 22:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The subject is clearly notable, and the article has survived several AfDs already.--Bedivere (talk) 23:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
KeepPer Sirex98. The notability is demonstrated. Unless notability standards change, I can't see why we would delete. Beasely is not borderline notable: A whole lot of sources can be found right here. Lawrence Cohen 23:20, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Change to Delete and redirect per a below clarification from Durova. I still think Angela is notable, but offering living people the chance to opt out if they aren't bulletproof notable, and they ask, probably doesn't hurt. Lawrence Cohen 21:01, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment and question. Per WP:CBLANK, blanking is done for deletion discussions when they have the potentional to do harm. I see this as the criteria for deletion of this article as well. Could the subject (or the subjects proxy) explain how this article will potentially cause her harm? I actually see the article as quite positive to the subject. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 02:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The reasons people want their biographies removed are often quite personal. It doesn't seem right to demand of them that they explain those reasons in public (and in a permanent record) to the satisfaction of strangers. The aim here is to recover some dignity and privacy, not to lose more of it. DurovaCharge! 03:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The use of the phrase 'dignity' here is an appeal to emotion, NPOV if you will. I fail to see anything "undignified" in her page, and one would hope, through the use of appropriate editorial discretion, that any content that made it to her, or indeed any, page, would be as dignified as warranted by its content. As for privacy, I'm not sure how a biography that details no more about her than do pages offering her bio of her own volition invades her privacy? Achromatic (talk) 20:44, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The reasons people want their biographies removed are often quite personal. It doesn't seem right to demand of them that they explain those reasons in public (and in a permanent record) to the satisfaction of strangers. The aim here is to recover some dignity and privacy, not to lose more of it. DurovaCharge! 03:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, although I respect her wishes, she's notable. Also, these follow up notes to the closing admin are getting tiresome. Yonatan talk 02:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete if she would like to have it deleted. SlimVirgin (talk)(contribs) 03:06, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable. It is most [[Ironic]]when the wiki methodology backfires on its promoters. --arkalochori |talk| 03:31, 6 December 2007 (UTC)This user has been blocked by a checkuser for abusing multiple accounts. Sarah 13:13, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per above. Interviews and founding of Wikia is what pushes it for me towards retaining this, if not for at least a possible future merger somewhere else. hbdragon88 (talk) 05:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per User:SlimVirgin and User:Durova. Ripberger (talk) 05:43, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and redirect to Wikia. Or, she can do like the rest of the famous people and ask wikiholics on OTRS to delete her article, since she is a BLP. OTRS TICKET: #1239912092007 Miranda 07:07, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete
Mergeand redirect to Wikiaper nomper arguments below this one. No offense to Angela, but there's no notability per WP:BIO outside Wikia, so might as well either delete or merge the article to Wikia and leave a redirect. Giano and others' behavior here is disconcerting, as well. --Coredesat 08:01, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't see why this is disconcerting, we are talking about a woman who feels she is sufficiently notable and of interest to the public to put up her own biographical details, complete with photographs on the internet. [21] [22] So we are not talking about someone wanting privacy or being fearful of others knowing what she looks like. Which I could understand. However, the difference between the biography here and the biographical details that Angela herself publishes is, in theory at least, she has less control over the content of the bio here. If a deletion here is permitted where will this precedent take us? Giano (talk) 08:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I was referring to comments directed at the nominator. But moving past that, someone starting a personal website about themselves doesn't make them meet any notability guideline (otherwise we would be flooded with useless bios of every single person who owns a website); the website's not a reliable source by the definition given in policy and guidelines. It seems counter-intuitive, but that's pretty much what it says. --Coredesat 09:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Trust me on this one, I would prefer not to direct any comment ever to the nominator but one does have to answer her, as she seems everpresent in Wikipedia. Giano (talk) 09:18, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - simply is notable. Her wishful thinking or position doesn't make the fact otherwise. --Mcginnly | Natter 10:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
*Keep, clearly passes notability criteria. Redrocketboy 10:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)Delete, I'm convinced by arguments on here and my talk page. Redrocketboy 16:18, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete since she (a) wants it deleted (I think she opened a previous AfD) and (b) isn't so notable that the absence of her article would make us lose credibility as an encyclopaedia. ElinorD (talk) 11:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - If Angela wants it deleted herself, then we must uphold her request and delete or rather (#REDIRECT Wikia) it to Wikia....makes more sense...--Cometstyles 11:17, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) (talk) 11:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Cometstyles. --Roosa (talk) 11:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per ElinorD . She doesn't want this - we don't need this - so why be nasty.--Docg 12:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- May I ask, what if George W. Bush or Mariah Carey wanted their article deleted? Would you vote delete then, so as to not be nasty too? Thanks. Redrocketboy 12:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If you can't differentiate between Beesley and Bush, I can't help you? (but see Reductio ad absurdum and Straw man)--Docg 12:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Of course I can tell the diffference :) I just think that Beesley seems pretty notable, and the line we draw where we allow the subject of the article to decide their inclusion is very blurred. But I really am interested in how you'd vote in such a discussion. Cheers. Redrocketboy 12:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In the case of bios and notability all lines are blurred and subjective. Notability is inherently subjective. Where would I draw the line? Well, somewhere beyond Beesley and before Bush - that's not a hard call.--Docg 12:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I wouldn't have made any of the earlier nominations unless I had a firm dividing line for how far to take this. My proposal was the "dead trees standard", which means we'll extend courtesy deletions upon request to living people who aren't notable enough to be in any paper and ink encyclopedia, including specialty encyclopedias. DurovaCharge! 15:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In the case of bios and notability all lines are blurred and subjective. Notability is inherently subjective. Where would I draw the line? Well, somewhere beyond Beesley and before Bush - that's not a hard call.--Docg 12:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Of course I can tell the diffference :) I just think that Beesley seems pretty notable, and the line we draw where we allow the subject of the article to decide their inclusion is very blurred. But I really am interested in how you'd vote in such a discussion. Cheers. Redrocketboy 12:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If you can't differentiate between Beesley and Bush, I can't help you? (but see Reductio ad absurdum and Straw man)--Docg 12:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- May I ask, what if George W. Bush or Mariah Carey wanted their article deleted? Would you vote delete then, so as to not be nasty too? Thanks. Redrocketboy 12:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete non-notable person. How simple is that? So she works for Wikia. That does not make her notable. She wrote a book. That does not make her notable. That's it. Still not sure why we ever had this article in the first place. ⇒SWATJester Son of the Defender 12:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete due to woeful lack of non-trivial indepednent sources primarily about this person. With every passing month, more and more publications completely fail to talk about her. Guy (Help!) 13:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I had to think about this because a couple of months ago I used this article myself when handling a media request for someone to do a segment about Wikipedia for an Australian morning television program.I found the article handy but (no offense, Angela)I think Angela falls in the wishywashy land between truly notable and truly not notable and in such cases I prefer to defer to the subject's wishes as far as possible. So if Angela would prefer it deleted, then certainly I think we should abide by that and delete it. Sarah 13:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Absolutely notable enough. The fulfilling of a request is not a given, as you remain at the mercy of the cabal, so we determine whether someone are notable, not the person on the bio in question (otherwise, why are we voting here at the moment) And a suggestion: requests for removals of bios should not be a community decision, but fulfilled without discussion. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 13:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Angela Beesley is a co-founder and vice president for community relations of Wikia.[1] Involved in Wikipedia since 2003, Beesley was elected to the Board of Trustees of the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation in 2004, and re-elected in 2005. During this time, she was active in editing content and setting policy, such as privacy policy, within the Foundation.[2] She resigned from the board in July 2006.[3] Beesley has contrasted her work with wikis to her earlier work with the Open Directory Project, which she found to be much more closed and hierarchical.[4] Since February 21, 2006, she has been a member of the Communications Committee of the Wikimedia Foundation.[5] She also chairs the Foundation's Advisory Board.[6] In October 2004, Beesley founded a for-profit Wiki hosting service with Jimmy Wales called Wikia. She sits on the advisory board of the media archive Ourmedia and is a co-author of the book Wikis: Tools for Information Work and Collaboration.[7]
- does not belong at Wikia and would have the appearance of Durova and others yet again trying to hide something. Do what is best for Wikipedia and don't add yet another incident for our critics to take to the newspapers. WAS 4.250 (talk) 15:09, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Please set those considerations aside. I link to the nominations of Seth Finkelstein and Daniel Brandt that I proposed on the same basis. Mr. Finkelstein himself has come to this discussion to support the nomination. DurovaCharge! 15:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Funny how "our critics" never want to "take it to the newspaper" when we argue about biographies of fat kids who get made fun of on Youtube. It is rarely possible to write an encyclopedia-quality biographical article that respects NPOV and Undue Weight about people who are notable for a single event. Thatcher131 17:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Please set those considerations aside. I link to the nominations of Seth Finkelstein and Daniel Brandt that I proposed on the same basis. Mr. Finkelstein himself has come to this discussion to support the nomination. DurovaCharge! 15:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep because notable, not in the borderline notability bracket, who are the only ones who should have the ability to get their own article removed. There should also not be the appearance of favouritism/special treatment if someone knows or requests something of a clique on wikipedia.Merkinsmum 15:17, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- There is neither favoritism nor the appearance of it. As stated in the nomination, I proposed courtesy deletions for both Daniel Brandt and Seth Finkelstein on the same basis as this discussion. Both are prominent critics of Wikipedia. The WP:BLP policy had loosened a bit to allow room for that. On both instances I used a "dead trees standard", which means if someone isn't famous enough to be in any print encyclopedia then we'll extend this courtesy upon request. So politicians, rock stars, serial killers, etc. are probably all covered in specialty encyclopedias and don't get this courtesy. Anyone else does, and my nominations have been rigidly consistent with that principle. DurovaCharge! 15:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Durova, it is not your place to make and define policy. this is an encyclopedia not a trade directory that people choose to be in or out of. We are supposed to be building the most comprehensive encyclopedia ever, that cannot be achieved if people who are considered to be notable can elect to be in or out - do you imagine Howard Hughes would have chosen to be here? Angela is notable wether she likes it or not. She is not a recluse. She is not afraid of posting her own details and images to the internet. There are no grounds for deletion whatsoever. Giano (talk) 16:04, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strongest Possible Delete. Stubby unencyclopedic cruft like this is what is taking down Wikipedia's quality. I'm saying it again: just because there's references about someone does NOT make them inherently notable. If we are going to start writing stubs on every Wikimedian who's been in the news, then you might as well do me next. Here's some sources, am I notable? No. Neither is Angela. ^demon[omg plz] 16:30, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Have you been on the Wikimedia Board? Have you co-founded Wikia? No. But Angela has. Bramlet Abercrombie (talk) 17:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Not notable enough to warrant inclusion.--MONGO (talk) 17:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I still consider the two examples Durova cites notable enough for inclusion, but they were deleted for reasons other than notability -- which I won't go into here. Sorry, Angela. -- llywrch (talk) 17:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, I just don't see a full, comprehensive biography ever taking shape here, not enough sourcing. If she's somewhat notable in conjunction with Wikia, easy enough—mention her briefly in the Wikia article, and that's that. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I wrote Keep with regret as I was lead to believe that this was something she knew about and wished to happen, due to this statement "Nominating for courtesy deletion or redirect per a request from Angela Beesley." by the nominator, this statement by Angela from her talk page since removed by her may suggest otherwise.▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡Talk 20:29, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Quoting Angela: "Thanks for pointing it out. I didn't know it was there, and it's incorrect for that page to claim the nom was "per my request". Angela. 03:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)" So did she in fact request this deletion, or did she not? Lawrence Cohen 20:32, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Here's the full sequence of events. I had been conversing with a student who's writing a thesis about Wikipedia when the subject of Angela Beesley's biography came up. So I sent a follow-up query to Angela. She and I had communicated briefly last June and back then she had expressed that she'd rather the biography come down than stay up, but had said no thanks to the idea of a deletion nomination. Someone else had nominated her biography for deletion not long after I discussed it with her. Since then nearly six months had passed and three biographies had all come down per nominations I had made. So I contacted Angela again and asked if she'd like me to try for this again. She gave the go-ahead, which I understood to be a request. Around the time she made that post she contacted me to clarify that I'd stated her wishes a little too strongly. I offered to refactor in any way she wanted, but she decided to let the nomination stand because she thought it would have a better chance of success this way. I apologized for the misunderstanding and abided by her decision. DurovaCharge! 20:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. I'm revising to delete. Lawrence Cohen 21:01, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- As her agent for the deletion process, are you making her aware of the debate and what a bad image it is creating for her? She is coming across as being in the same ilk as Brandt. She now has the appearance of being an opponent of Wikipedia openness. As a contributor she should let he own voice be heard. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:37, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I fail to see the value judgements you infer. This nomination is based upon an objective standard. Ms. Beesley is welcome to comment here if she wishes, and did inform me of her one misgiving. I would do this for anyone who met the same standard and confirmed with me that they wanted it. DurovaCharge! 21:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It gives the appearance that she is using private communications to arrange for the deletion of her biography by others. This is the type of behavior that made Microsoft look bad, and it looks even worse when Wikia people are doing a similar thing. I am assuming that her not speaking up, is a tacit admission that she is arranging with others to use the AFD process to eliminate her own biography. Which is odd, since she has a blog with even more information in it. Or is this an elaborate prank, so that supporters of Brandt can point to the hypocrisy? I don't know, but either way it looks bad. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:27, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I approached Ms. Beesley on both occasions, although the first one came by a proxy referral that originated with Daniel Brandt. Microsoft offered to pay a blogger to alter an article. I receive no compensation. Furthermore, this is one of five deletion noms that I have done on the same grounds and in the same manner. It would take a real stretch of the imagination to construe impropriety out of that. One can't guard completely against off-the-wall theories, so I'll just have to point to WP:AGF regarding my conduct and hers. DurovaCharge! 22:45, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - The nominator appears to have been in error on this one: Angela herself (at [23]) states that she did not request this. Therefore, the principle which Durova suggests (courtesy deletion for a not-terribly-notable subject who requests it) does not apply. In addition, I think that Angela is notable. Therefore, I say keep: and
have to point out that I wonder if the nominator deliberately mislead us.- Philippe | Talk 20:46, 6 December 2007 (UTC) - I struck through my previous comment because I'm convinced the nominator did not purposely mislead us. - Philippe | Talk 20:52, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] - Delete. Not sufficiently notable, as shown by the failure to establish additional grounds for notability after previous deletion debates. Sam Blacketer (talk) 20:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Her reasonable request for deletion should be respected. BCST2001 (talk) 23:01, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Angela is a long standing experienced wikipedian and she tells us that she does not believe she is notable enough for an article. I think she is right. In any event her notability is marginal so we should respect her wishes. --Bduke (talk) 23:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Clearly notable. Cheers,JetLover (Report a mistake) 23:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable; to the extent that Jimmy Wales is notable. A courtesy for her would be to keep the article polite, accurate, and Nice (talk) 01:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Blocked as sock This is a Secret account 02:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Can we redirect to Irony? Either way Brandt and his followers get more fodder to criticize Wikipedia in the WikiTruth wiki. Maybe this was an elaborate trap to make Wikipedia look bad and to give Wikitruth more to write about. The same person nominated the Brandt deletion and this one, and each time Wikitruth gets more to write about. Can we close this debate and start on number 8? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 02:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Further Comment to the comment above. What I see is basically a benign article that passes the notibility criteria and shows the subject in a positive light and for some reason that most of us don't know the subject wants it deleted. I've been reading through the deletion discussion of Daniel Brandt and Seth Finkelstein, and Mr Finkelstein mentioned that he wanted his article deleted because it was an attractive nuisance. Could this also be the reason why Ms. Beesley wants her article deleted? If this is the case then I think it looks bad for wikipedia because it looks like one of the high ups doesn't have faith in the wikipedia model (at least for BLP articles). To use an analogy, it looks like the CEO for McDonalds refusing to eat at there because it's unhealthy food. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 03:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep First, she is notable, and remains in the public eye because of her public speaking. Speeches by and interviews with her show up in things like Harvard Business School case studies (here), publications of the Association for Computing Machinery (here), apologizing for vandalism to the press two weeks ago here. These are three recent examples, all more recent than the last time (AFD#3) I opined that she is notable. Because of her association with so many wikis, filtering out the reliable sources from the unreliable ones remains difficult. But she is clearly notable, and notability is permanant. Once notable, always notable. (Though the usual frictions of history - fires, invasions, record decay, etc... destroys the proof that we as an encyclopedia need over the span of centuries.) Second, the subject here did not request that the page be nominated for deletion; she explictly says that claim is incorrect. Third, it is in Wikipedia's best interest not to even be seen as deleting an article on one of its former leaders at the request of that leader. The potential reputational damage to Wikipedia is too big. If we could do it on the basis of non-notability that would be one thing - but we can't do so honestly. So keep is both the outcome that accords with policy and guidelines and is the one that is best for Wikipedia. GRBerry 04:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Part of the problem is that your finding great references, but not adding them to the article. Your only doing half the work. If the article was better referenced, perhaps the cycles of deletions would stop. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 16:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: Don't believe it unless she requests it publicly. This is on it's 7th nomination, why persist? --Charitwo talk 05:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Consensus has moved toward deletion/redirect upon request for not-very-notable BLP subjects. How do you define consensus? A few Wikipedians with clout don't speak for everyone. The last Daniel Brandt AFD remains controversial. The last Finkelstein AFD had about 18 keep arguments.
Fishkin was snowballed after five comments, none of which provided evidence that the participants looked for sources.There is no consensus for deletion by demand. Zagalejo^^^ 05:52, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]- I define consensus as the net result of three or four previous discussions in the past half year (depending on whether you include the Bush example). Those all ended in deletion or merge/redirects. I also define consensus in terms of the WP:BLP policy change, which was something where I had no involvement. BTW I believe the Rand Fishkin discussion ran the full five days and didn't get a snowball closure. It was simply a near-unanimous decision. DurovaCharge! 23:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll take back what I said about the Fishkin discussion. It seemed like it was a snowball closure, because all the comments occurred within a short time span, but it was indeed open for five days. Sorry about that.
- I still disagree that the Brandt and Finkelstein dicussions reached a true consensus, though. The Brandt decision, anyway, went to DRV, and at least one prominenent editor left because of it. And it's a bit bold to assume that the 14th Brandt AFD was the one we magically got right.
- I don't like to be confrontational, but it just bugs me when people suggest that the whole community is OK with courtesy deletions. No - only part of the community tolerates these decisions. Zagalejo^^^ 04:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I define consensus as the net result of three or four previous discussions in the past half year (depending on whether you include the Bush example). Those all ended in deletion or merge/redirects. I also define consensus in terms of the WP:BLP policy change, which was something where I had no involvement. BTW I believe the Rand Fishkin discussion ran the full five days and didn't get a snowball closure. It was simply a near-unanimous decision. DurovaCharge! 23:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep notable, well written, I don't see the downside to having it.Heathcliff (talk) 07:14, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Per Sirex and 'co-founder and vice president for community relations of Wikia.' -Dureo (talk) 11:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Dekeep - I concur that the British woman in question is not notable, but neither are thousands of other topics of interest on this website. If these equally silly pages are removed, this one should go as well. If they stay, this stays. A general trend is that if a website is considered notable by Wikipedia's unpolls, spin-off articles are acceptable. At the end of the day there are just too many references to the Internet on this website. One might argue that this is acceptable, since the aforementioned self-proclaimed encyclopedia is located on the Internet, this however is a misnomer. Either take all the trash out or don't take it out at all: Don't pick through the recycling for the particular piece of rubbish you are fond of. --Henry W. Schmitt (talk) 12:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I disagree with deleting an article just because the subject of the article has asked that it be deleted. That seems to be a dangerous precedent to set and a slippery slope. A subject is either notable and warrants an article, or not, but the subject's preference for having an article or having an article deleted shouldn't play into it. Rray (talk) 12:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Another Elonkaesque vanity page. Mindraker (talk) 16:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Durova and BLP. Eusebeus (talk) 16:06, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, it's time for Wikipedia to grow up and get past the ridiculous point where it takes 14 nominations to finally get rid of an article about a person of questionable notability who doesn't particularly want an article. Brandt's article should have been deleted long before it actually was. Here is our chance to get it right with this individual in half the number of nominations.--Isotope23 talk 16:13, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Questionable notability might be an issue, but why should whether or not the person wants an article play into it at all? Rray (talk) 21:35, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Because no one is more deeply affected by the existence of a Wikipedia biography than its living subject. Also because - as the long Daniel Brandt debacle showed - it's a waste of everyone's time to stand on rigid principle in these borderline cases. Wikipedia and the public haven't lost much by making Seth Finkelstein a redlink, Seth's happier, and site volunteers have more time on their hands for other productive endeavors. I think the question should be, why should we not delete or merge/redirect if Ms. Beesley wants it? Any encyclopedic content could go into other articles. DurovaCharge! 21:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- We should not delete the article just because Ms. Beesley wants it unless we're willing to delete any article whose subject requests deletion. I gave your "dead trees" guideline idea some thought before expressing an opinion here. But I think it's too subjective, and it seems like a rationale for helping someone out with a preference, which IMO is a weak rationale. We would presumably refuse to delete the Warren Buffett or Stephen King articles if they requested it. So we shouldn't delete any article just because the subject requests it. The Wikipedia already has a lower standard of notability than a paper encyclopedia. I might favor an increase in the notability standard, but just deleting an article because the subject requests it just seems silly. And I don't see how having an article written about you is going to "deeply affect" you. Even if it does, what if it "deeply affects" Bill Clinton? The rationale should be applied to everyone if it's applied at all. Rray (talk) 23:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I put some very hard thought into the matter before deciding on the "dead trees standard" for precisely the reasons you articulate. It would be hard to write an encyclopedia of horror literature without an entry for Stephen King, for example. At some point of notability people are actual public figures who have press agents of their own to handle potential problems. Roughly that corresponds to where a specialty encyclopedia of XYZ starts to cover them. At any rate, it's the kind of standard that people could actually go to a library and check and cite to settle a debate. If you have a better idea then by all means present it. This was the best I could do. DurovaCharge! 23:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I know you did put hard thought into it, and I mean no disrespect by disagreeing with you. I think a better idea is if they meet our notability criteria, then we don't delete their article based on their request. If that's not acceptable, we should revise our notability criteria. Having two notability criteria so that we can justify deleting articles as a courtesy to their subject seems unfair to the people who meet the proposed dead trees criteria. Rray (talk) 23:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Would you rather restore Daniel Brandt's biography, with all the conflict that carried? If we follow your reasoning then we'd have to to the same thing for everybody, not just people with Foundation ties. DurovaCharge! 00:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not that familiar with the debate there, but I think he's certainly notable enough to warrant his own article here. Was there something different about his situation? (Besides him not being associated with the Foundation?) Rray (talk) 00:18, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I clicked on the link for Brandt's AfD discussion, but it looks like the actual discussion has been blanked. Based on the reasons cited, then yeah, I would say restore his article. Rray (talk) 00:23, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Courtesy blanked but not deleted.[24] See also Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Daniel Brandt deletion wheel war. I believe there was an earlier arbitration also, but I really wasn't involved in any of the first 13 deletion nominations or the surrounding drama. DurovaCharge! 00:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I reviewed the link, but I don't think the amount of drama caused by someone ought to be a criterion for deletion either. Someone's either notable enough for inclusion, or they're not. Having two standards just to do a favor for someone seems wrong to me, although I'm sure it's well-intentioned. But frankly, I think the Daniel Brandt article should have been kept too. Rray (talk) 03:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If it had been just for one person I wouldn't do this. Actually there's been a small but steady trickle. I respect your disagreement, though. Cheers. DurovaCharge! 04:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't mean any disrespect, and I'm sure we'll probably eventually just agree to disagree, but why would we do something for a "trickle" of people if we wouldn't do it for one person? Please understand my intention is not to mock; I'm honestly curious about why you think that. Rray (talk) 14:36, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree. There's no sense in having a guideline we won't consistently apply. If courtesy deletions become a trend, we might as well delete everything that doesn't meet the dead trees standard - including several FAs. Better to be consistent than to purposely introduce random gaps in our coverage. Zagalejo^^^ 04:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- We're dealing with the intersection of the WP:V policy and the WP:BLP policy. No encyclopedia has ever been so large before that it's really gotten into this question. Used to be, encyclopedias didn't cover living people at all. Then the constraints of print publishing and paid writing kept their coverage at a level where only very famous people were included. We're embarking on new territory with these discussions. And I'm not sure merge/redirect would introduce random gaps in coverage, if you think deletion goes too far. DurovaCharge! 18:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- One might say the former limits were paper-based whereas the current limits are more BLP based, there is an argument that we should lower notability threshold but allow people to opt-out when they do not meet a far higher level of notability (to which Angela isn't even close), ie its people's desire not to be included that is the new limit, or at least ought to be. Thanks, SqueakBox 19:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete passes the criteria of WP:BIO but there are degrees of notability and this doesn't rank very highly. If the subject wants it deleted then their wishes should be expected. A redirect to Wikia would also be a good idea. Hut 8.5 16:54, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and Redirect to Wikia. I was sitting on the fence waiting for Angela to directly make a statement in this nomination and she just did. Kevs (talk) 21:37, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per User:Isotope23. She's barely notable anyway.--kingboyk (talk) 01:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, marginally notable. Everyking (talk) 02:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - If we were to be looking at this AfD without the overlay of Angela being someone who is very well known and respected in this community, would people's opinions be different? If we were to take "just the facts" and leave the person behind, we would find: A female entrepreneur and philanthropist whose name pulls up 45K+ google-hits (only 5% of the first 500 were about another woman with the same name). A woman who has lectured around the world on wikis, Wikipedia (Alexa rating #8) and new social networking software and systems. Her own Wikia Inc has an Alexa rating of 564. There were at least 40 links to articles from widely varying sources in which she was the primary subject or interviewee. She has an article on at least 7 other language Wikipedias, and at least a dozen more on the Crawl.com series of online encyclopedias. If I was to look a random person up and find these facts, I would probably conclude that the random person was notable enough for a Wikipedia article. I am not going to say either keep or delete - this isn't my battlefield - but I will note that the "bright line" at which the community is saying a person isn't notable has shifted an awful lot in the last year. Risker (talk) 04:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Wikia. Capitalistroadster (talk) 04:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Article satisfies WP:V and WP:BIO; in my opinion, subject is notable as a co-founder of Wikia. Also, multiple AFDs are silly. --Goobergunch|? 04:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per previous. Calling corruption "courtesy" doesn't make it smell right. Cleduc (talk) 07:59, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - not notable of-wiki. Maser (Talk!) 08:03, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Wikia —Moondyne 08:40, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Notable, especially in relation to Wikipedia, and the explanations of Angela's support for this AFD don't really hold water. Discombobulator (talk) 10:30, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I think that Daniel Brandt is right when he says that if a subject of a BLP wants his or her article deleted that that should carry a lot of weight in the deletion consideration. Ironically, I think this is the first time I've ever seen some of my distinguished colleagues above taking a position that agrees with Brandt's position on something. Cla68 (talk) 13:12, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This whole thread is becoming ridiculous. Angela's role regarding Wikipedia etc. has made her notable. Angela has been more than happy to promote herself on her own websites. Wikipedia is the most comprehensive encyclopedia ever. If Wikipedia starts to delete its own on the "I don't like it! - I don't want it - give me a sweetie" spoilt child basis then we may all just as well shut up shop now and go to the pub; because we will be justly ridiculed. Lets lead by example in matters such as this. Now for heaven's sake close this thread now for the good of the encyclopedia. Giano (talk) 19:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep I'm sick of people nominating articles for deletion simply because they don't like them. Some of my favorte articles have been deleted this way. This will destroy the encyclopedia. Get a life--Certified.Gangsta (talk) 21:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- To add to what I said above, this article has been nominated for AfD 7 times. The result is always speedy keep or no consensus. Repeatedly filing frivolous AfD is itself an act of disruption and trolling.--Certified.Gangsta (talk) 21:23, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Please avoid personal attacks and assume good faith. I don't happen to think that a nomination by this person at this time is particularly wise. However, consensus can change - it took 15 attempts to get rid of Brandt, so this will not be the last debate on this particular article. Everyone needs to calm down here.--Docg 21:55, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I think that she is notable and the article should remain here. Man, we need some sort of double jeopardy rule... Icestorm815 (talk) 22:01, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete without reference to the subject's wishes. Her notability claim is as co-founder of Wikia -- that's it. (I assume the book chapter doesn't count toward that.) That level of notability falls below article requirements (see WP:BIO), and the fact that she's mentioned in the Wikia article should suffice. Biruitorul (talk) 22:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Minor Note to AFD participants people have been under the impression that this is the 7th AFD for this subject but it actually is the 13th AFD. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 00:53, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually it can't be the 13th: the naming isn't consistent so there's been at least one duplicate page created by accident (mine). You might want to check the others to see whether some of those other pages were also false starts. Apologies for the confusion; it was unintentional. DurovaCharge! 01:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Navel gazing and love of the drama aside: change the name, location, company name and try to place such a page on WP. It will be labeled NN, vanity and I don't know what and will be vaporized in no time.
- Personal opinion: this kind of high drama AfD's cannot be reasonably solved by counting votes. The decision should be made by some cabal or a committee. Even wrong decision is better than the never ending stream of vague opinions and and equally vague counteropinions. Pavel Vozenilek (talk) 00:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Rather than relying on some cabal or going through the drama of repeated AFDs why not just raise the bar across the board for notability of BLP articles? It sounds to me like the cost benefit ratio for the less notable BLP articles is not that great. Lets just blow them all away. This will mean that some FA's and GA's might get deleted. So be it. Pocopocopocopoco (talk) 01:15, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Personal opinion: this kind of high drama AfD's cannot be reasonably solved by counting votes. The decision should be made by some cabal or a committee. Even wrong decision is better than the never ending stream of vague opinions and and equally vague counteropinions. Pavel Vozenilek (talk) 00:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I am in general against Deleting articles for technical reasons (the bandwidth consumed in the discussion is far greater harm to the project than the existence of the article) with the exception of articles that are plainly bullshit (and non-topics or nonsensical ones) and the exception of articles on BLP. The fact is, BLPs of non-notables are inherently subject to abuse, slander, and bringing the project into disrepute, if not legal action. The questions here are (1) is this person notable, and (2) why bother deleting it if it is (rational != motivation)? The latter has been answered clearly. As to my motivation to vote, it is because the rationales offered to show (1), that she is notable, are very, very weak. As a counter-example, I offer my real-life persona: (1) made public speeches, (2) been the President of a for-profit corporation, (3) owned a domain, (4) sold products and services to the public, (5) taught at a university, (6) quoted in a major media source, (7) hosted notable persons such as Richard Stallman. Despite this, I doubt anyone would find me notable. That fact is, unless an in-print article specifically pertains to her, she is not notable. And please remember, that [shit exists] does not justify more of it. --Otheus (talk) 01:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Any borderline notable subject should have the right to request permanent deletion of their article. ~ priyanath talk 01:23, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. chocolateboy (talk) 02:01, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I think this article could easily qualify for delete without the subject asking for it. Given that she has asked for it to be deleted, I think it's best for WP to do so. IronDuke 02:18, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, due to Wikipedia's growing popularity and presence, if this article is deleted now, it will be necessary to recreate it in the future. silsor (talk) 01:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. The article is referenced and asserts notability. Comparison with Brandt is invalid. The latter is only notable through Wikipedia-related matters, particularly the intra-wikipedia matters. Comparing a stalker with a successful enterprener who receives a wide coverage in press is laughable. The article is not only non-libelous but highly (and deservingly) positive towards its subject. The article needs to be closely watched for trollish attacks but we have enough admins who police rather than write, so this should not be a problem. Wikipedia owes it to its readers to give information on the notable people of this caliber and there is no valid reason to delete. --Irpen 03:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Louise Glover[edit]
- Louise Glover (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Requesting courtesy deletion of this article per a request from Louise Glover. Although sourced, the article stands little chance of developing to featured status and it has been a chronic source of WP:BLP problems. Per the precedents at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rand Fishkin, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Seth_Finkelstein_(2nd), and Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Daniel_Brandt_(14th_nomination), this is not an especially famous person and the individual who is most affected by this article's existence would be happier without it. Let's do the gracious thing and delete. DurovaCharge! 18:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete re BLP and nominator. Thanks, SqueakBox 18:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep
Comment"stands little chance of developing to featured status" is a rather high bar, and not necessarily justified, even. The problem the subject has seems to be one court conviction that was reported by the BBC News, that we devote one sentence to in our article. We can remove the tabloidy stuff, but the BBC News isn't a tabloid, it's the main news agency for the United Kingdom. What we can do is balance it. She had a hard life growing up, that has been written about in reliable sources, we can write that in out article. She prominently supports a specific charity, similarly. She has a fair amount of coverage in several different magazines and the St. Helens Star (which covers the charity, and her Malaysian travel, but also reports on the community service conviction, by the way). We may not make it to featured article, but we can make it into a reasonable article. Unlike Brandt and Finkelstein who claimed they were private, not public, persons, Glover is a professional glamour model. Appearing in the media is how she lives. That's hard to mesh with a claim of being a private person. She is also fairly successful at being a glamour model - Playboy Special Editions Model of the Year is a notable role, and not her only one. And she is just a few years into her career, she fully intends to keep appearing in international magazines, if we delete the article, people will want to recreate it almost immediately, she shows up in the media fairly regularly. Anyway, this AFD has 5 days to run. I intend to add the additional reliable sources I found to the article, and see if I can expand it into a reasonable article, and balance the one sentence about the conviction. Then, I can hopefully show up back here and change this mere Comment into a full Keep. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 18:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Comment Would Wikipedia's coverage of any significant topic be seriously hampered by one less glamor model biography? Most of the contestants from America's Next Top Model don't have their own biographies even though they've all been television personalities and (presumably) most of them are successful professionals in the same field. The longstanding problem at this article that Louise Glover has received more coverage in the unreliable tabloid press than in reliable sources, so editors who are unfamiliar with site standards keep recreating the same problems. This creates a net drain on productive volunteer time and a source of unneeded stress for Ms. Glover. WP:BLP isn't supposed to work that way. DurovaCharge! 18:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In other words, "I'm not interested in this field and don't know much about it, so the encyclopedia shouldn't either"? What is a "significant topic"? Wikipedia:Notability says it's one that reliable sources write about. Modeling is a topic reliable sources write about. Give me a couple of days to prove it. By the way, the contestants from America's Next Top Model are competing to reach the status that Glover has reached. She is a top model. You will notice that the winners of that show do have their own articles. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 19:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The logic that carried in all three examples cited above is that WP:V and WP:BLP intersect here, so in instances where the completeness of the encyclopedia isn't affected a biography subject's stated wish deserves some weight in the discussion. Louise Glover is no Tony Blair, after all. This discussion will last a couple of days before you and I and everyone else walks away from it, but Ms. Glover lives with the outcome. People Google her name and this page is a top return. The BLP problems cause her grief and consistently take volunteer time away from productive endeavors. Wouldn't we all be better off by doing the gracious thing? DurovaCharge! 23:42, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In other words, "I'm not interested in this field and don't know much about it, so the encyclopedia shouldn't either"? What is a "significant topic"? Wikipedia:Notability says it's one that reliable sources write about. Modeling is a topic reliable sources write about. Give me a couple of days to prove it. By the way, the contestants from America's Next Top Model are competing to reach the status that Glover has reached. She is a top model. You will notice that the winners of that show do have their own articles. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 19:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. 22 references. 18 independent, non-trivial, articles from 11 reliable sources focusing on her. Playboy Model of the Year really is the top of the glamour model field, being the first Briton to achieve it doesn't hurt either. She is non-negligible as a beauty queen either, having won Miss Great Britain candidate for Miss Earth, and Miss Hawaiian Tropic UK, besides her many lesser titles. She is on the cover of dozens of top-shelf magazines in a dozen different countries, and has every intention of continuing to be on more covers.[25] [26] Highly notable. And a fairly interesting story, if I do say so myself. Is it a featured article? No. But it's nothing to sneer at either. Changing to Keep. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 21:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Would Wikipedia's coverage of any significant topic be seriously hampered by one less glamor model biography? Most of the contestants from America's Next Top Model don't have their own biographies even though they've all been television personalities and (presumably) most of them are successful professionals in the same field. The longstanding problem at this article that Louise Glover has received more coverage in the unreliable tabloid press than in reliable sources, so editors who are unfamiliar with site standards keep recreating the same problems. This creates a net drain on productive volunteer time and a source of unneeded stress for Ms. Glover. WP:BLP isn't supposed to work that way. DurovaCharge! 18:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and the fact I can't think of any good reason to keep.RMHED 19:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Keep WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid reason to delete and articles aren't required to be deleted if they can't become FAs. Article is referenced with good sources, although some of them need to be changed to inline citations. Satisfied WP:N and WP:V. Nobody of Consequence 19:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I could accept the argument that one less article about a glamour model is no big deal if the same logic was also applied to, let's say, classes of steam locomotives. But it isn't. Glover seems to pass the notability test, so I'm in favour of keeping the article, on the basis that AnonEMouse adds a little bit more balance to the article. --Malleus Fatuorum 19:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Working on it. I added a dozen good sources and removed some of the unsourced stuff she complained about yesterday. She has actually gotten significant coverage from quite a few newspapers, and while the St Helens Star is just a local paper, the Liverpool Echo seems to be the second most-widely read evening newspaper in the country. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 15:09, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Honestly, I had to think about this one somewhat, since I do believe there is some threshhold. But, in terms of I-know-it-when-I-see-it, this isn't it. There's a lot of potential for mischief here, and very little "public interest" factor -- Seth Finkelstein (talk) 03:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep An bad application of a bad principle. Subjects ought not have control of what is written about them here, or in any reputable information source. In this case the reason for preferring deletion is obvious--there is well sourced notable negative content that clearly passes BLP. So the subject says, in effect, if the article has such content I don't want one at all--I cannot imagine she would object to it otherwise.. Nobody should ever have such right--it amounts to giving them censorship over the contents of a an article. It amounts to the abandonment of a foundational principle. if we do not have allegiance to NPOV, why are we here? DGG (talk) 06:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. AnonEMouse (squeak) 15:09, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per cleanup by AnonEMouse. Epbr123 (talk) 15:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per the massive cleanup effort and referencing done by AnonEMouse. Videmus Omnia Talk 20:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I don't understand this repeated appeal to "doing the gracious thing". Is there a WP:GRACIOUS that anyone can point me to? The point made earlier about censorship, no matter how "graciously" it might be done is surely the important one here. This either an encyclopedia or it's not. The issue is quite simply whether the subject is notable, and whether the article conforms to WP:BIO. The answer to both questions since the recent work put into it has to be yes, and so it should not be censored. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:BIO changed last summer to allow more scope for this kind of nomination. Several biographies have received courtesy deletions or redirects as a result. This is a very uncommon request, but granting it has been becoming the norm. The deletion discussions linked in the nomination shed some light on that, I hope. DurovaCharge! 22:20, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Creating a policy that allows for the possibility of censorship and actually carrying out the censorship allowed for are two different things. What may happened before does not shed light on what should happen now. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 22:46, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure I follow what you're saying. How is this nomination different from the three successful examples cited above? I defined the scope of the proposal very carefully in order to avoid the potential for misuse as a censorship wedge issue. Your concerns are valid and I think they've been addressed adequately. If more is needed I'll gladly respond. DurovaCharge! 23:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I mean that bad cases make bad law. The fact that articles have been "graciously" deleted in the past has no bearing on this article, where notability has been more than adequately demonstrated by the work that AnonEMouse has carried out. The article now gives a balanced view of a notable, public person. To delete it on the basis that the subject doesn't like it can only be considered to be censorship IMO. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 23:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- What would be your view in terms of the "dead trees standard" I proposed in the previous nominations? Namely, if the person isn't notable enough to be covered in a paper-and-ink encyclopedia (at least a specialty one), then courtesy deletion upon request is a fair thing to do because the impact on the individual outweighs the impact on Wikipedia? That seemed like a good way to avoid the slippery slope. DurovaCharge! 00:06, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- My view is very simple. Wikipedia is not printed on dead trees, and so the restrictions that paper-and-ink encyclopedias have do not apply. The slippery slope is that what claims to be an encyclopedia has started to delete material because it makes the subject of an article unhappy. That slippery slope leads to censorship. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:23, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Certainly notable enough to warrant an article. Eusebeus (talk) 16:13, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Insufficient reason for deletion. We shouldn't delete articles as a courtesy to the subject unless we're willing to do that for any subject. (And if we do that for any subject, then our credibility as an encyclopedia would erode quickly.) I don't think that an article's chances of ever reaching featured status have anything to do with whether or not an article should be deleted either. Rray (talk) 23:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per comments of Malleus Fatuorum above. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 23:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Merge to StarCraft (series). Pastordavid (talk) 17:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
StarCraft: Revelations[edit]
- StarCraft: Revelations (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Concerns raised at previous nomination have not been met (or even attempted, the only two edits to the article in the months since the previous nomination are category tweaks), the sources provided in the previous discussion do not provide sufficient coverage in order to properly construct a full article. I feel it is notable enough to be covered briefly somewhere else, such as StarCraft or StarCraft (series) - somewhere relevant to the series - but it is not notable enough to warrant a full article. -- Sabre 17:51, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge - To the series article that was just created, looks worth a sentence or two at most. Judgesurreal777 18:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge - Unnotable and poorly written. The Clawed One 19:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Merge and redirect as has already been merged see no reason to reverse this. Davewild (talk) 21:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Worthington University[edit]
- Worthington University (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Fictional school with no real world notability. Ejfetters 17:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. JohnCD 20:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete; the fake college wasn't even notable within the TV show, it just happened to be where a few characters went.--CastAStone|(talk) 20:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Dawson's Creek as possible search term and because redirects are cheap. Nate · (chatter) 00:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merged Merged all 3 locations to Dawson's Creek. Horrorshowj (talk) 07:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was There is really no consensus to do anything here. The Delete arguements are just as convincing as the Keep arguements. Additionally, I find the Merge suggestion convincing. A suggested route would be to merge the article, then CSD for houskeeping once merged. But the end result of this discussion is No consensus.. Mercury 18:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Doctor Who: A Celebration[edit]
- Doctor Who: A Celebration (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Much as it pains me to nominate any Doctor Who-related article for deletion, I just feel that this has to go. While it is vaguely notable (though it currently lists no independent sources, since the one listed was produced by the BBC who also produced the event, a one-time concert which was, basically, for nerds! can't ever grow as an article. It's currently just a list, and a fairly uninteresting one at that. The article would never really help anybody, and contains no info that can't be found easily, all in the same place, online already. Since the "concert guide" section is totally unsourced, it constitutes NOR, as far as I can tell. Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 17:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - the line that says, "Appearances by: Daleks" is, however, hilarious!--Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 17:19, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Tiny little keep I just stumbled across this artical and I have to admit 'it isn't great' and holds minimal, however I think the the actual subject is notable and this artical could be made into somthing brilliant, although I don't really have the time to do it.--Wiggs 21:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete just another Children in Need segment, one of many one off sketches, numbers and performances put on to get people watching the annual British charity telethon. Totnesmartin (talk) 00:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - not notable, not relevant, not worthy of a separate page. StuartDD contributions 08:57, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep it is partially sourced and there are a large number of Google hits for it (though yes, I know that doesn't establish notability). I have cleaned up and added some stubs, though more probably needs to be done. It's a shame that editors these days go for deletion rather than encouraging articles to be improved first. Stephenb (Talk) 13:27, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - As I said above, I don't believe that it has any possibility for improvement. Neither do these people.--Porcupine (prickle me! · contribs · status) 15:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment you can source and expand it as much as you like, but it's still not notable in itself. Put it on the tardiswiki if you really want to keep it. Totnesmartin (talk) 15:46, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply I said "weak keep"! You may think it isn't notable, but there's been very little to encourage people to add to it before it gets deleted, and someone may add something that makes it notable (to you or others). In my opinion, articles such as these deserve a chance as stubs and with tags before they get nominated for deletion. In addition, the nomination was partly because it was (unnecessarily) "just a list", which is why I cleaned it up, which seems a simple job to do before an admin looks at this AfD. Stephenb (Talk) 16:38, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge There have been at least four Children in need specials related to Doctor Who, we should be able to create one article that covers all of them. This would eliminate stubs and give us a more notable article. futurehawk|talk 22:36, 07 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Mesa Riverview[edit]
- Mesa Riverview (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Non-notable strip mall in Arizona, sources establish only local notability if any at all. Precedent has shown that strip malls are generally non notable. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:34, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Mall is a 1.1 million square foot GLA super-regional mall, supported by reliable and verifiable sources to establish notability, a size that far exceeds anyone's definition of a "strip mall". Precedent has shown that malls of this size and regional scope are notable. Alansohn (talk) 06:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletions. -- the wub "?!" 13:02, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Malls-related deletions. -- the wub "?!" 13:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - the "reference" is a directory entry, one of the "sources" is a broken link, the other two predate construction. They are reliable, and most of the article's information is verifiable, but I don't see any notion of more than local notability. As an aside, I don't think that the definition of strip mall depends on size. Huon (talk) 16:04, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - superregionals are notable, although article expansion is encouraged Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 04:34, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Scientizzle 17:11, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Superregional malls by definition have an influence far beyond their immidiate locality, and have generally been kept in previous AFDs. Such malls have generally been found to have numerous stories in regional and national press with substantial coverage, because of the effect they have on shopping patterns and commerce over an extended area. Edison 18:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as a notable, if giant, evil maul. Bearian (talk) 02:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep, consensus is that there is enough coverage in reliable sources to meet notability guidelines. Davewild (talk) 21:52, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Jill Morgenthaler[edit]
- Jill Morgenthaler (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Unelected local politician. While mentioned in coverage of the election, I don't believe she passes Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Additional_criteria for Politicians. However, she might be notable for being an Army spokesperson for the Abu Ghraib fiasco.
See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steve Jagla Toddst1 17:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Article is well-referenced. (I am the author of the article.) Media references to her role in the Abu Ghraib scandal can be easily added. — goethean ॐ 17:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I will keep that in mind.HAL is not IBM (talk) 22:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Passes WP:N per her media coverage. Epbr123 17:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)*Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletions. Toddst1 17:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Conditional Keep Keep only if the Steve Jagla is kept as well. This article is tied to the Steve Jagla article. To remove the Steve Jagla with out removing the Jill Morgenthaler article would be inherently unfair, bias and doing a disservice to the readers of wikipeida. They both must be either, removed of retained, as a collective whole. This is only common sense. The credibility of wikpeida is at stake with this issue of fairnessHAL is not IBM (talk) 21:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to the article about the Illinois 6th Congressional District. I appreciate that the author has sourced this, and applaud her/his volunteering the information of authorship. As with Steve Jagla, however, I question whether this is encyclopedic. Even if Morgenthaler wins the primary, until she's in Congress, is this much more than a campaign advertisement that's being hosted by Wikipedia? Bear in mind that if it's kept, there's nothing to stop this from going from advertisement to smear, depending on who's doing the editing. Mandsford (talk) 02:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. The article is well sourced and it passes WP:N. I think it would be incorrect to redirect to the 6th CD page. An individual can be notable whether or not they win the election (see Tammy Duckworth). Morgenthaler's role as a state official would suffice even if she weren't a candidate. Propol (talk) 12:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Really? "Morgenthaler was Colonel in the United States Army, serving for nearly 30 years. She has served in Korea, Berlin, Bosnia, and Iraq; and she handled disaster recovery during the San Francisco earthquake of 1989. In 2004, she handled press duties for the Army, including addressing the Abu Ghraib scandal. [3][4] [5] She was appointed by the Illinois Democratic Governor, Rod Blagojevich, to serve as a homeland security adviser in Illinois." Which part of this is notable enough to merit an encylopedia article? Is every homeland security adviser entitled to a separate piece? Mandsford (talk) 12:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- 'Delete' nothing notable, certainly not unles she wins he primary. Evenby the most expansive definition, merely being a political candidate is not notability.DGG (talk) 08:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Wikipedia's general notability guideline states that
The extensive media coverage of Jill Morgenthaler in multiple reliable sources cited in Jill_Morgenthaler#References clearly establishes a presumption of the notability of this person pursuant to the criteria established in the general notability guideline. The purely subjective assertions of non-notability advanced by editors supporting deletion of this article fail to outweigh the presumption of notability established via the general notability guideline through objective evidence. John254 20:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject.
- Keep. Elected or not, this person meets WP:BIO and exceeds our standards for verifiability. RFerreira (talk) 00:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was No Consensus defaulting to Keep. Davewild (talk) 22:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hyperghettoization[edit]
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Seems to fail WP:NEO. Hammer1980·talk 17:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep. Needs a lot of cleanup, but this is not something WP:MADEUP; there are dozens of Google Books and Google Scholar hits dating back as far as the 1980s. —Caesura(t) 17:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. JSTOR shows more academic hits (I'd link but the links are dynamic); this page needs cleanup; I might be able to give it some time later today to try and improve it.--CastAStone|(talk) 20:21, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'm inclined to merge with Racial segregation in the United States or something along those lines. At the very least, the term hyperghettoization seems a stretch when we have no article on ghettoization per se. The Google Scholar hits are 1000x. --Dhartung | Talk 05:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep per Caesura. I'm surprised; I would've thought for sure that was a clearly deletable article according to WP:NEO. -Verdatum (talk) 19:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. While the term can be found on Google scholar current text fails to define it and does not explain how it is different to the traditional ghettoization. Without the few essay bits it has practically no encyclopedical contents. Pavel Vozenilek (talk) 00:09, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep --JForget 01:39, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Abe Carver[edit]
Fictional character showing no sign of verifiable sources to show real-world notability Pak21 16:43, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletions. —Quasirandom 19:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep This is an article that is part of the WP:SOAPS project. It is among a long list of articles that we are in the process of improving. There are a lot of articles and only so many editors to work on them. Give it time, the project is fairly new and there are a lot of articles to get to. Deleting this serves no purpose. CelticGreen (talk) 01:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep This article can definitely be improved and sourced better, just be a little more patient and the work will be done. Abe Carver is notable by the way, he is the longest running African American character in the history of daytime television soap operas, now all that is needed is the source, which I will be looking for. Glo145 (talk) 02:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I found one article that discusses his length of service and added it, real world notability and sourcing. I'm sure if I looked more than 5 minutes, I could find more. CelticGreen (talk) 02:46, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Question why when you look at the raw article (when editing) does it say For administrator use only: {{oldafdfull|page=Abe Carver|date=4 December 2007|result=keep? Has a decision been made and this discussion moot? or is something else going on?CelticGreen (talk) 03:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Subject is notable and notability is now provided within article. Flyer22 (talk) 04:25, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per all comments above. IrishLass (talk) 14:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep - This is a notable character within the series and the genre in general; it needs improvement, not to be deleted. In any case, the additions since the AfD was initiated clearly render this AFD pointless. — TAnthonyTalk 17:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Closed to allow improvement as requested. Hemlock Martinis (talk) 05:43, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars[edit]
- List of locations in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Still the same abomination that tries to double as the main article for the game Henke37 16:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. Taric25 19:35, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose for now - There is currently an effort to clean up the article by the VG Project Cleanup department. I feel that an attempt to clean up the article should be made to see if the left over content is worth keeping. Going through the sizable content of the article and the available sources is a large undertaking. But with the article up for deletion, that doesn't allow for much time to adequately clean up. I ask for the deletion nomination to at least be put on hold. If after it has been cleaned up and it still does not meet Wikipedia's guidelines for inclusion, then by all means delete it. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC))[reply]
- Oppose - I agree with Guyinblack25. Since we have a current effort to clean up the article, then we should take time to do that. Guyinblack25 has offered to help and is admitidly not totally familiar with the subject and needs time to go through the wealth of information afforded. Thus, a deletion nomination is not currently condusive to our efforts. I echo that we should put this on hold. Taric25 19:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge the relevant sections (Creation and Reception) to the main article. The rest can be scrapped. TTN 20:41, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Please see Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/TTN. Taric25 21:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. WIkipedia is NOT a game guide site. We do not need to have the locations of all the 1 up chests in the game, nor the HP refillers and so on. ThuranX (talk) 23:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree, which is why I feel that a deletion process should be put on hold and time should be given to clean up the article to reduce the amount of game guide content in the article. (Guyinblack25 talk 23:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC))[reply]
- And yet, such efforts seem to have been promised at the last AfD, and we're back. ThuranX (talk) 05:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If you check the edit history, you will see that efforts to clean up have already begun and much more is in the works. All I'm asking is at the very least to put the AfD on hold. (Guyinblack25 talk 05:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC))[reply]
- In the last AfD, the article looked like this. That pretty much speaks for itself. Taric25 (talk) 18:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- And yet, such efforts seem to have been promised at the last AfD, and we're back. ThuranX (talk) 05:14, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree, which is why I feel that a deletion process should be put on hold and time should be given to clean up the article to reduce the amount of game guide content in the article. (Guyinblack25 talk 23:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC))[reply]
- Stop AFD for time being - If there is a process underway to retain notable information, it should be allowed to go foreword, especially since that process was ongoing before this AFD started. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge per TTN above. Clearly fails WP policies. Eusebeus (talk) 03:05, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- User:Henky37 is a suspected sockpuppet of User:TTN. Please cite specific Wikipedia policies and guidelines if you believe that this fails. Taric25 (talk) 18:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per WP:VG/C efforts and WP:PROBLEM. User:Krator (t c) 17:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or transwiki if there is a video game wiki out there. ThuranX is correct, Wikipedia is not a game guide and it is not a place for such minute detail and fancruft. Collectonian (talk) 07:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Nobody here is arguing that the excessive game content should stay. The only thing being asked is for the AfD to be put on hold as it has already been expressed that efforts to remove such content are already underway. If after it's been cleaned up it still does not meet Wikipedia's guidelines for inclusion then feel free to continue the AfD and remove the article. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:24, 6 December 2007 (UTC))[reply]
- I agree with Guyinblack25, because since we're currently fixing the article to get up to where it should be, we should take take the time to remove minute detail. Also, Wikipedia:Fancruft and Wikipedia:Listcruft are essays, so please argue on the basis of policies and guidelines, such as Wikipedia:Notability. Speaking of notability, guidelines only pertain to the encyclopedic suitability of topics for articles but do not directly limit the content of articles, per Wikipedia:Notability##Notability guidelines do not directly limit article content. Instead, we should focus on Wikipedoa:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Verifiability, and Wikipedia:No original research, and if you look on the article's talk page, we are discussing exatly just that. Taric25 (talk) 18:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Stop AFD for time being - per Judgesurreal. --Maniwar (talk) 15:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep with no prejudice against relisting If contributors are willing to work it and either make good or perform a merge and redirect, then I see no burning need to delete this article this second. Squaresoft games have always attracted a lot of interest and that has resulted in a number of our VG featured articles being about their games, perhaps the considerable volume of cites here can contribute to another one? If the article fails to improve over time, it can always be relisted and (providing a reasonable amount of time is given) nobody can say they didn't receive fair warning. Someone another (talk) 05:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- To be completely up-front, I don't believe that this list of locations is any more suitable for a WP article than the countless others which have or will be deleted, is there some significant coverage of locations by secondary sources that I've missed? What does bother me is the thought of so many potentially useful cites getting deleted. It's going to take time to pick the bones out of it, but if that results in the main game article moving closer to FA status and contributors are willing to put the time in then it'll be worth it. Someone another (talk) 05:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Exactly, and that's all we asking for: time to put our work into it, so it'll be worth it. Also, this article started out a list of locations, but it has now become a world article. After this AfD is over, we should rename it. See World of Final Fantasy VIII and Universe of Kingdom Hearts. Taric25 (talk) 18:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete, very game guide-ish, and the parts that aren't game guide-ish are just copies of the article for the main game. I can't even see how this would be improved Knowitall (talk) 11:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Once again, nobody is arguing that the information is not game guidish nor is anybody arguing to keep that content in there in its present state. All that is being asked is more time further clean up the content to meet Wikipedia's guidelines. Clean up has already begun, even before this AfD begun and progress is being made. It has also already been expressed that if the content does not meet standards after said clean up, then the AfD can continue. I also find it odd that of all the editors wanting to delete this, only one has addressed the request for more time. Is such a request that unreasonable? (Guyinblack25 talk 13:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC))[reply]
- Could you please identify which sections you believe copy the main article and how? Taric25(talk) 18:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Concept & Creation and Reception. It seems like they're just copying the main article, and the rest of the article is still horrible.Knowitall (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- While I have to agree with you on the "Concept and creation" section, I feel it should be pointed out that the "Concept and creation" section has yet to be cleaned up. Also I don't see how the reception for the setting is a copy of the reception of the game. One focuses on the overall reception of the game and the other focuses on the reception of the setting and graphical appearance. (Guyinblack25 talk 22:24, 7 December 2007 (UTC))[reply]
- Concept & Creation and Reception. It seems like they're just copying the main article, and the rest of the article is still horrible.Knowitall (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Stop AFD for time being. The article is already looking a lot better. The Prince (talk) 20:17, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:13, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
James T Harris III[edit]
- James T Harris III (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Delete nn president of nn institution Mayalld 16:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, not notable, reads like a news release. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 16:38, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, not notable. Nothing else to say. 1ForTheMoney 17:05, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Hammer1980·talk 17:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep -- university presidents are inherently notable and this one does not lack for press coverage (>1000 Google News archive hits)--A. B. (talk) 17:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletions. -- A. B. (talk) 17:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Delaware-related deletions. -- A. B. (talk) 17:38, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Has been (vice-)president of several smaller universities/colleges. I have cleaned-up the article and tagged it for better sourcing and verification. --Crusio 18:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. President of a university is notable, he's won several awards, and his name appears in the press. For example, he was just listed in the Philadelphia Inquirer as one of the higher paid university presidents: Kathy Boccella (November 12, 2007). "College presidents work in halls of higher earning". Philadelphia Inquirer.
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(help) --Elonka 03:23, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] - Keep per Elonka. that the institution is relatively unimportant would seem to make this all the more notable. But the awards must be referenced DGG (talk) 05:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete per CSD G3 as the article is a hoax. Sephius[edit]No Google hits for Sephius Leviticus, which suggests that this is at best a misspelling and at worst a hoax. I'm not sure which, because I don't know Bible stories. If this is a plausible misspelling for something and should be a redirect somewhere, redirect the article and I'll withdraw the nomination. —Caesura(t) 16:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was No consensus. This article remains unsourced; but, given the radical changes brought about by its "stubification" during the debate, it deserves a little time to grow. Certainly, the topic is a reasonable one. Xoloz (talk) 15:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Modern weapons[edit]
Article is an unsourced, difficult to maintain list of weapons with an ambiguous definition of the term. As a list it is superseded by Category:Modern weapons, and I have copied the important information into the CAT header. Burzmali 16:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Keep Needs more of a re-write then a deletion. Esskater11 02:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:14, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] OneClimate[edit]No establishment of notability. Speedy declined without explanation. here we are. Blogs do not establish notability. WP:WEB Crossmr 15:32, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Speedied G11; clear COI, peacock, promotional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coren (talk • contribs) 94.4FM Salford City Radio[edit]
Unremarkable local radio station Marwood 14:53, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep as a list likely to be useful for students and others doing research . Reliable sources can be found very easily, but it is up to the editors who want to keep this article to do so ASAP to avoid another AfD. Bearian (talk) 18:20, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] List of Academy Award records[edit]
It's a bunch of odd records and facts and is ultimately non notable original research. This violates various WP policy, and Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. There are also few sources, and nothing that really proves the subjects notability. Why are these records so notable that they deserve their own page? It should not have its own page, and a small section of some of the more important records at the Academy Award page should more than suffice. Scorpion0422 13:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Redirect to Ain't --JForget 01:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Baint[edit]Unsourced neologism. Article had been prodded and seconded before the article creator contested the prod. Allen3 talk 13:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was no consensus. This AFD is now a month old, and there is no chance of interpreting what to do over a period that long. My suggestion is to renominate in a new afd. Honestly, there's no point in relisting more than once per AFD discussion because it just runs too long then. -Royalguard11(T·R!) 18:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Agon (tokusatsu)[edit]
Does not meet WP:Notability requirements. A fictional character for four episodes, possibly COPYVIO for having the lyrics included. Failed PROD. Editor who removed PROD did not address notability, but instead said Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy and not paper? Collectonian 19:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was No Consensus leaning towards Keep with the sources found by DGG. Davewild (talk) 22:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Office 2.0[edit]AfDs for this article:
Unsourced Neologism. Is this original research? Appears to lack notability Spartaz Humbug! 23:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 08:49, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] List of Environmental disciplines[edit]
Inapprop article name, stub article, poorly written, content covered more comprehensively elsewhere -- Alan Liefting-talk- 08:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was merge per Pearrari's suggestion. -Royalguard11(T·R!) 18:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Symitar[edit]Non-notable. An orphaned article who's parent company doesn't have an article of their own. -- Latin American X-Change 03:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 08:00, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Morag Tong[edit]AfDs for this article:
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Valuable information, but not quite valuable enough to be deserving of an individual article.72.241.182.49 (talk) 23:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 08:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Aedra[edit]This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 15:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep, with a move to be actively considered. Davewild (talk) 22:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Falling of Blossoms[edit]
Google search: "Falling of Blossoms" "Kazuteru Sanada" -wikipedia produces 0 hits. "Falling of Blossoms" manga -wikipedia produces 4. Article is almost impossible to understand due to being written in Engrish, provides little context and is really only a character list. Not notable, no context, minimal content. Cricketgirl (talk) 15:56, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete — Caknuck (talk) 21:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Fighters' Guild[edit]AfDs for this article:
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:19, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or Keep I'm starting to think it's the same gang of people trying to delete these pages. I personally don't want to do that, I think that if this page was merged into an elder scrolls organizations page it would be much more notable. I do think this article does reach notability, but not everyone agrees. I'm more concerned with the lack of sources, it's horrendous. TostitosAreGross (talk) 03:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 08:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Jagar Tharn[edit]This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:16, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 08:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Lorkhan (Elder Scrolls)[edit]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Why delete only this article? Video game lore is common as all get out on Wikipedia, and it does no harm to leave it be. - C. Ainsworth —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.133.150 (talk) 03:07, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This data is more or less all that has been given by the developers at this point. It is presented as such. Is "encyclopedic" formatting so very important? I see no issue with the data as it appears now. - As Above —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.152.120.79 (talk) 18:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. Hut 8.5 17:35, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Nerevar[edit]This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete — Caknuck (talk) 21:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Sotha Sil[edit]This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. The Placebo Effect (talk) 17:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Blades (Elder Scrolls)[edit]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. -Royalguard11(T·R!) 18:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Houses of Morrowind[edit]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:08, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge Realy usefull information. At least merge this with Organizations of Elder Scrolls. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.247.57.218 (talk) 17:25, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge this info is very important and should be saved at most move somewhere else —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.220.237.201 (talk) 17:31, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm no wiki-rock star Judgesurreal, I am your average user that enjoys researching things and continuing to learn, not just about elder scrolls, but science, math, music, culture, etc... I use this project all the time for my personal enjoyment. I would gladly cite sources in this article if you would be willing to help me out learning how to code the pages. I have made a few pages in the past, but only left external links. Help would be appreciated for making the Internet as a whole more comprehensive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Grey Wizard (talk • contribs) 18:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely, I just don't want to see comprehensive data go down the hole. If I insulted you, no hard feelings, Elder Scrolls does have a soft spot in my heart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Grey Wizard (talk • contribs) 18:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 08:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Nirn[edit]This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 17:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 08:41, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Nirnroot[edit]This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 17:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 08:34, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Dylamug[edit]The article is a non-notable in-universe repetition of plot points from the He-Man universe and has no notability of its own. As such, it is purely duplicative and has no encyclopedic value. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 17:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was No Consensus leaning towards keep after cleanup by DGG. Davewild (talk) 22:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] The Council on Quality and Leadership[edit]
Delete as blatant advertising Mayalld (talk) 16:33, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep and clean-up. Pastordavid (talk) 17:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] List of songs by American artists which reached number-one on the UK Singles Chart[edit]
Non-notable intersection Mangostar (talk) 16:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete, redirect at editors' discretion. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] City of Angels International Christian Church[edit]
This article is about a church that does not appear to be notable - in fact, the article describes it as a splinter group of The Los Angeles Church of Christ (which is likely not notable itself). The article has no independent sources. Deli nk (talk) 16:27, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 08:37, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Kwama creatures[edit]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:26, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:12, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Martin Septim[edit]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Elder Scrolls Characters: I feel that all the ES Characters collectively are notable enough to get a single page. -Ratwar (talk) 04:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. Minimal discussion, but sufficient for this purpose. Xoloz (talk) 15:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Le Bosco Ancestral[edit]
Fails WP:BK. While I recognize that this self-published novel received coverage in Panorama in Interlingua, the "primary periodical for the language Interlingua", I can find no indication that it has received other notice. Victoriagirl (talk) 18:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Weldom[edit]Notability and sources. Kwsn (Ni!) 18:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Ignoring the finer points of whether WP:CRYSTAL applies to the existence of this article, it does mean that all valid content can be dealt with at Fergie (singer). JPD (talk) 16:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Fergie second studio album[edit]
WP:CRYSTAL concerns. The only source is a blogspot entry. Kwsn (Ni!) 17:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep Being nominated for a fringe festival award is not really a claim of notability, however this comedy group has been the subject of multiple reviews by non-trivial resources, three of which are cited by the article. The claim to notability may be weak, but it is just enough to pass WP:N and WP:RS. Resolute 03:05, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Pappy's Fun Club[edit]AfDs for this article:
Delete very tenuous claim to notability Mayalld (talk) 17:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:21, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Potente Versidue-Shaie[edit]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 08:58, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Sae Isshiki[edit]little information in the article, very few pages link here. IMDB page shows only 2 film credits and 1 TV. Is this a notable actress? Rtphokie (talk) 19:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 08:58, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Dateline Timeline[edit]
OK first I have to say I'm impressed that anyone could know this much about dateline timeline. Having said that this article is about a 10 second trivia game that was part of the commercial lead ins on dateline. Ridernyc (talk) 18:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Redirect to List of How I Met Your Mother episodes. Useful content is already present in that article. As an aside, I do understand the desire to bring it to AfD to develop consensus rather than boldly merging - in the future perhaps a straw poll on the article talk page would be sufficient? Pastordavid (talk) 21:17, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] The Yips[edit]TV episode without claim to notability to support having a separate page. Proposing deletion
The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Uriel Septim VII[edit]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or merge to Elder Scrolls. Game is notable, character not so much. Amaryllis25 "Talk to me" 16:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Merge to Elder Scrolls Characters: I feel that all the ES Characters collectively are notable enough to get a single page. -Ratwar (talk) 04:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete per WP:FICT. Provides no real world context. Keep !votes had no basis in policy. Resolute 03:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Summerset Isles[edit]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:20, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good Day The Grey Wizard (talk) 15:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC) — The Grey Wizard (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
You Know what I would like to see Judgesurreal? Hold all polices that you have cleverly manipulated to your will aside for one moment please. I would like to see more comprehension with these articles, the same thing I assume you should or do want to see. I would have not problem with this being merged with Tamriel, cleaned up a bit, revised, and ultimately more useful. I think if this was merged, it would be more tidy and comprehensive, so long as the links from Google, and wikipedia about Summerset Isles were linked to the actual information about Summerset. In that manner we both get what we want, wikipedia is more clean for you, and I still have the information I so "dramatically" value. I am an Elder Scrolls Modder, and I use these pages all the time, weather for a nice little reminder, or serious research. I, among other Beyond Cyrodiil Modders can and will use these pages, no matter if they are individual scattered articles or finely organized into one article. Agreed? Truce? No more war? The Grey Wizard (talk) 18:18, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete per WP:FICT and WP:NOT a game guide. Resolute 03:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Lucien Lachance[edit]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Merge into Characters of Oblivion. —dv82matt 16:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 09:03, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Frank Rapp Photography[edit]
Vanity article fails to meet WP:BIO. —Caesura(t) 19:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was merge to List of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles characters. Done. Neıl ☎ 13:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Dr. Chaplin[edit]This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon and episode articles. This is thus all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Hun (TMNT)[edit]This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon and episode articles. This is thus all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 04:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Don Turtelli[edit]This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon articles. This is thus all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:31, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 04:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] List of planets (TMNT)[edit]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon articles. This is thus all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:30, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete, will leave a redirect to Nexus. Neıl ☎ 13:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Battle Nexus[edit]This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon articles. This is thus all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was No consensus. Pastordavid (talk) 21:25, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Russian Fascism: Traditions, Tendencies, Movements[edit]
Delete article about a book by nn author without 3rd party independent sources showing any notability, fails WP:BK Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:44, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. Pastordavid (talk) 21:28, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Kyle Marcotte[edit]
Not notable, tagged since June 2007 as non-notable Rtphokie (talk) 20:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. Pastordavid (talk) 21:47, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Hedrick Cooperative[edit]
Unremarkable organisation, with scant to non-existent claims to notability, article clearly written as a puff-piece by the organisation. Mayalld (talk) 17:13, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 04:35, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] List of Disney anthology television serials[edit]
This particular television series, while technically having 770 "episodes" mostly reshowed other stuff from other Disney shows, featurettes, and movies. There is no reason to have an article that even attempts to make a list of it all when most of it would be repeats of stuff already found elsewhere. Collectonian (talk) 20:59, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 09:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Mif Kumas[edit]No assertion of real-world notability, no citations to reliable sources even to substantiate the in-universe plot summary. --EEMIV (talk) 04:40, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Only possible merge destination has been deleted, making that moot. Neıl ☎ 14:03, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Kaijinbō[edit]Completing unfinished nom by User:Pilotbob. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 06:40, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 04:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Guard of New Prussia[edit]
"Guard of New Prussia" gets only a couple of hundred google hits; none of them are reputable news sources and most are just usegroup postings asking for new members. There are no references to back up this organization's notability. The 'official web site' has just an image and a phone number (though there are a few hidden pages if you search on Google). This is a non-notable organization. The page about it's leader Joe Foss (GNP) should also be deleted if this one is. user talk:199.71.183.2 18:07, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 04:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Regular Music[edit]
Record label without notable artists for which no reliable sources seem to exist Tikiwont (talk) 09:43, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. If anyone wants to write a definition on Wiktionary with reliable sources, they are more than welcome to do so. Mr.Z-man 04:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Recoursed[edit]Might fit in a dictionary, but it is pretty self explanatory Ng.j (talk) 09:33, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 04:09, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Carry on band[edit]
Non-notable band, fails WP:MUSIC. Has had several releases on Youngblood Records, which does not appear to be a notable label (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Youngblood Records). Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 06:44, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 04:08, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] New Republic Intelligence[edit]
No assertion of real-world notability. Two of the "sources" would be more aptly titled "appearances," and role-playing material sources offer only the same in-universe plot summary contained in the article. --EEMIV (talk) 04:52, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 08:39, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Zekk (EU)[edit]No assertion of real-world notability, no citations to reliable sources even to substantiate the in-universe plot summary. --EEMIV (talk) 04:45, 22 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Also has an inappropriate name --Lenin and McCarthy | (Complain here) 01:22, 24 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 04:07, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] BVS Performance Systems[edit]
Recreated article after G11 speedy deletion, without much (if any) improvement. Still very little in the way of verifiable notability claims and still reads like an advertisement. Dougie WII (talk) 21:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the opportunity to edit this page further and will work on it 11/28/07. It seems very comparable to me to other articles about businesses that I've seen but will attempt to improve and provide additional evidence of notability. Smithbernard (talk) 02:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC) I revised the article pretty substantially on Nov 28 and hope it will be found acceptable. Smithbernard 21:48, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid I don't understand how this article fails those guidelines. The company is as notable as a good number of others that are linked to Learning Management System -- such as Saba Software, Apex Learning, ANGEL Learning, Desire2Learn -- and the content is similar in nature. If someone can advise me about where it doesn't measure up, I would appreciate some additional time to revise as needed. Thank you. Smithbernard (talk) 18:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 04:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Cat Fletcher[edit]The only claim of notability of this article is an entry in imdb.com saying that the subject co-produced a couple of films, one in 1995 and another in 2006. Main contributor of the article seems to be the subject himself.[36] JRSP (talk) 22:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was no consensus. Mr.Z-man 04:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Charles River Center[edit]
Non-notable strip center in Massachusetts, fails WP:RS. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 02:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Nomination withdrawn with consensus to keep, following rewrite of page. Yes, one "delete" was given, but it was prior to the page's rewrite. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 14:06, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] The Legends At Village West[edit]
The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 04:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Midtowne Little Rock[edit]
Non-notable "lifestyle center" in Arkansas, fails WP:RS, WP:V and WP:NOT#DIR, seeing as page is mostly a list of stores in the mall. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 02:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 09:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] British Arctic Territory[edit]
I don't think this is a notable hoax, as hoaxes go. I can't find any coverage by any reliable, secondary sources. Furthermore, article doesn't read like an encyclopedia entry. Picaroon (t) 00:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Once again, you go out of the way to mock me. I was new back then to Wikipedia. I had placed links to my sites on my own user page. So when I was told that one can't add links to their own websites on their own user pages, I removed them. That was ages ago. Am I still having to pay the price years later? As per Uncle G's note that the BAT is not recorded elsewhere, let me bring it to your attention that the article is at: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/gb!bat.html EJRS
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 09:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Bushra Jamil - Miss Pakistan[edit]
Not really notable. Has entered a few minor contests and not really been that successful !!! thisisace (talk) 00:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. While there is disagreement over the value of the Google Scholar search count, the main argument in favor of deletion is the lack of independent sources detailing Franzi's contributions to the research field. ~ trialsanderrors (talk) 13:54, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Edo. Franzi[edit]Apparently non-notable scientist; fails WP:PROF/WP:BIO due to a lack of substantial coverage in reliable third-party sources. See also the related Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Non-notable EPFL robots. Sandstein (talk) 00:05, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 09:15, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Kemundel[edit]Location doesn't seem notable enough to merit an article. When I came across the article and noticed the POV issues, I tried to do research to fix or cite the claims in the page but could not locate any references relating to it except for a few random mentions in a couple of pages of only the locations name. ZacBowling (user|talk) 17:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was redirect. Mr.Z-man 04:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Norfolk Street (Simcoe, Ontario)[edit]
Another probably hoax from the same editor; cutting through the false sounding parts, while this is a street, it seems to be a pretty unnotable and I don't think all streets automatically are notable for articles like cities are. Collectonian (talk) 02:50, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Bearian (talk) 18:12, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Friendship Festival (Simcoe, Ontario)[edit]
Another possible hoax article; if real, festival does not meet notability requirements Collectonian (talk) 02:47, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 09:23, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Meadow Glen Mall[edit]
Small, non-notable mall in Mass., only claim is that there was once a store in it owned by the drummer of Godsmack (shiver). I really don't think that's enough, however (especially when cited to a blog). Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 03:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete.-- Kubigula (talk) 05:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Juan A Lozada[edit]
Reads like an autobiography, not really notable. P4k (talk) 04:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 12:26, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Frank (language game)[edit]
No claim to notability given. No references. --Nehwyn (talk) 04:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was No consensus, though I would recommend that this article's supporters add references, and prune the non-records from the list. i.e.: "In 2004, Federer became the first player since Ivan Lendl in 1986 and 1987 to win back-to-back Tennis Masters Cup titles without losing a match". This is not a record, but a piece of trivia. Resolute 02:49, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Records held by Roger Federer[edit]
Federer is encyclopedic, a list of his awards might be (though I tend to say no), but this piece of unreferenced fancruft is a bit much. See WP:IINFO for details. Biruitorul (talk) 05:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep AfD is not cleanup. Nom admits a list of Federer's records and awards may be encyclopedic in it's own rite. Main article for Roger Federer is 88Kb, so there really isn't room to merge anything. If only reason for deletion is that it's not currently cited properly, slap a ref tag on it or fix the issue. This isn't a valid reason for deletion, because the bulk of it appears readily sourceable. Horrorshowj (talk) 07:20, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete CSD A7 may apply, as the article really failed to assert notability. General manager of a county power utility? Fails WP:BIO, WP:RS and WP:N as I am unable to find much in the way of reliable , non-trivial, sources to establish a claim of notability. The best article I found, after searching for "Steve Klein" was an article about Mr. Klein receiving a 22% raise. That article was more about the concept of giving big raises to maintain competitiveness There was not anything else where Mr. Klein was the primary focus. Resolute 02:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Steven Klein[edit]Fails WP:BIO. Appears to be an autobiography. Dougie WII (talk) 06:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. Resolute 02:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Norfolk Association for Community Living[edit]
Local agency that fails WP:N Collectonian (talk) 08:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was merge to Green Party. Done. Neıl ☎ 14:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Pro-War Greens Debate[edit]
"Pro-War Greens Debate" seems to be a made up term. Article seems to be entirely based on one person's published opinion piece. WP:NPOV Barrylb (talk) 10:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I am the article author, and I recommend keeping the article for the following reasons: 1. Debate. The OED defines “debate” as being an argument or contention. Clearly in this case there is a genuine argument and/or contention concerning how we ought to interpret the commitment of Green political parties to peace and nonviolence. The title of the Wikipedia article is therefore, I believe, appropriate. The NPOV issue is whether the entry gives equal space to the Greens and the critique of the Greens position. I think it does. 2. Opinion piece. I think that the editor confuses an article which states an opinion and an opinion piece. An opinion piece is generally defined as a piece of writing which gives an opinion or view, without providing evidence. If a piece of writing does provide referenced evidence for an opinion or view, then this is known as scholarly research. If one goes to the on-line version of the source article in question <http://eprints.qut.edu.au/archive/00008590/01/8590.pdf>, then it is apparent that the source article is not an opinion piece as such, given a) it is an article in one of Australia’s reputable political science journals b) it does cite evidence, with some 26 references to both primary and secondary documentary sources, c) the source article does conform to the OECD definition of research, in that it does employ the apparatus and conventions of scholarly research. 3. Even if the article is to be understood as an opinion piece, it is difficult to see why, under the Wikipedia criteria, that this means that the article ought to be deleted. Similarly, I am not aware of anything under the Wikipedia policies which indicates that one needs more than one source. Moreover, the one source suggestion is misleading, as the source article itself has 26 endnote references to numerous primary and secondary historical sources. Why not include these references in the Wikipedia article? My thinking was that this would simply make the Wikipedia article too long, and in any case a curious reader would be readily able to access these further references on-line. 4. Verifiability. The Wikipedia Verifiability Policy indicates that “articles should rely on reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy”. The source article is published in the political science journal AQ:Australian Quarterly, published for the past 75 years by the respected and independent Australian Institute for Policy and Science <http://www.aips.net.au/>. The journal AQ is in fact included as a core journal in the Worldwide Political Science Abstracts database <http://www.csa.com/ids70/serials_source_list.php?db=polsci-set-c>, available on-line with most university libraries (please look under the previous name of AQ: Journal of Contemporary Analysis). Moreover, as stated above, the source article itself contains 26 references to primary and secondary historical sources, including quotations from scholarly works and from Hansard. As stated above, the article does conform to the OECD definition of research. 5. Neutrality. It is difficult to see how there could be any argument about the neutrality of the Wikipedia article. The structure of the article involves a) a statement that there are divergent viewpoints on the commitment of the Greens to peace and nonviolence and the significance of this issue, b) the Greens official position, and c) the critique of the Greens position. Approximately equal space is given to the Greens official position and to the critique, and moreover the article at all times merely describes positions – it does not itself make any denunciations. If one looks at the References for the Wikipedia article, there are scholarly sources both in support of the Greens (3) and critical of the Greens (1). The article gives equal weight to both positions and it seems difficult how one might claim that this is biased in any way. I understand that any deletion decision is made strictly on the basis of Wikipedia policies. On the basis of these policies, I believe this Wikipedia article clearly ought to stay. I am the primary author of the Wikipedia article. User:JDakins —Preceding comment was added at 09:31, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comments. Please see my response (as author of the article) as below: 1. Procedural fairness. I do have some problems of procedural fairness about adding additional objections to an article more than mid-way through the consideration process. The objections to the title and to COI were not mentioned at the outset. If an editor has bona fide objections to a particular article, then he/she ought to state these from the outset. As a matter of fairness, you cannot try one line of objection to an article, and then try another when it seems that the initial one does not carry weight. 2. Another problem of adding additional grounds of deletion is that one does not know whether the editor is still challening on the additional grounds cited. For instance, the editor has previously claimed that the source article is only an "opinion piece". Does the editor still believe this? 3. However, having said the above, I will respond to the complaints regarding the title and supposed conflict of interest. 4. Title. The editor alleges that the title says “The Greens are Pro-War” and then “Here is the debate”, and that this is therefore a POV. Well, actually the title does not say this at all. The title is one phrase, “The Pro-War Greens Debate”. The word “debate” is clearly indicative that there is opinion pro and con on this issue, which is exactly what the situation is and which reflects NPOV. Moreover the article then proceeds to give equal weight to divergent positions, as required under NPOV. 5. Alleged conflict of interest. I don’t think it is sufficient merely to allege this without substantiation. It is necessary to indicate in exactly what ways there is an alleged COI and the objective evidence for this. 6. I believe that deletion decisions ought to be made strictly on the Wikipedia principles and then only with evidence. Anything other than this is not editing but censorship. I do not believe that it has been demonstrated that the article contravenes Wikipedia principles and therefore I urge that the article remain. Regards, User:JDakins —Preceding comment was added at 11:19, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Response. I think that what you are suggesting is not as direct or communicative as "Pro-War Greens Debate". However, having said that, and seeking to reach some consensus, might I suggest, as a minor variation on your suggestion, the title "Debate on the Greens and War". My reason for suggesting this rather than "The Greens Position on War" is that the article is actually giving more than the Greens position on war - it is giving an insight into an area of controversy in political science. The opening sentence of the article would also need to be re-written, deleting "The Pro-War Greens debate refers to divergent interpretations of the ..." and replacing this with the simpler "There is a significant area of debate over the ...". The writer in me says that one ought always to use the active rather than passive voice where possible. I also don't really think that Pro-War Greens Debate does violate NPOV. However, in the interests of us both getting some sleep, I can live with another title. User:JDakins —Preceding comment was added at 10:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I am sympathetic to the idea of merging, although this does raise the some difficulties, given that the source article deals in particular with the German Greens, the Australian Greens and Bob Brown. Ought a section or paragraph be inserted into each of these? I think that the better option might be the separate article. Perhaps the strongest argument in favour of a separate article is that it is the best mechanism to give clear expression to NPOV, in other words, to give equal space to the argument of the Green Parties and to the critique of this. And I know from discussion thus far that NPOV, understandably, is a very sensitive issue with political articles.In addition, I think that in the discussion hithertoo (above) with Barry, we were not too far from reaching a consensus regarding a separate article. However before I continue this discussion I thought I might invite some more comment on where to go from here. Is it OK if I continue discussion regarding consensus on a separate article? User:JDakins. —Preceding comment was added at 06:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Jeandré. Thanks for that input and for the "tiny minority" reminder. There are other references to instances of Greens being in support of war, in addition to the source article, and I will see if I can locate these. I think this should satisfy concerns regarding the tiny minority viewpoint. Regarding the blanked references, these were in fact originally posted by me. I then blanked these, as I thought it might be premature to post these references whilst the debate over this article was still continuing. The other reason for blanking these references is that at the present time the references aren't actually cited in the article, which I understand they need to be. Hope this explains. If it doesn't, I am more than willing to re-post the references. Thanks again for your suggestion. User:JDakins. —Preceding comment was added at 08:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 04:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Wollop Konteki[edit]
Completely unverifiable. None of the three Google hits indicates anything believable.[37]. Fram (talk) 10:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 04:00, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Cinq-O[edit]There is no indication why this game passes WP:PRODUCT. A few links to user-generated content sites are given, but no more. My PROD was contested and the article subbified, but notability is still not established. -- Sent here as part of the Notability wikiproject. --B. Wolterding (talk) 11:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was no consensus . Mr.Z-man 03:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Margaret Dunning[edit]
In my opinion, based upon the information in this article, this person does not meet the notability criteria. Prod removed by creator without comment or sourcing. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 13:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep --JForget 00:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Cyber (subculture)[edit]
I don't think this is likely to be verifiable. P4k (talk) 13:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 09:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Asia Entertainment[edit]
reads like an advertisement Rtphokie (talk) 12:58, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 09:24, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] David Keir & Sons[edit]
This article is a massive mess with separate short biographies about a man and his sons. It does not satisfy the standard for verifiability, and Google was unable to help. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 12:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(Edit conflict)*Delete- I agree. No verifiability, and Google barely has this man at all. Furthermore, there is barely any introduction about him at all; the article jumps straight into his history. --Zacharycrimsonwolf 13:49, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 03:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Daudnagar Organization for Rural Development (DORD)[edit]
Poorly formatted article about an organization in India which has no references to back it up. A Google search (without quotes) showed less than 100 hits. Delete for lack of notability. Shalom (Hello • Peace) 12:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 03:55, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Claud "Rick" Koerber[edit]
Article about a non-notable "businessman" (scam artist depending on your information) that is written in a distinctly promotional tone. Multiple article claims are unverifiable with the provided references. Article was written by a user who appears to have a vested interest in the subject and his company, which the user has also created four articles about (which were all deleted); possible, if not probable conflict of interest. Ioeth (talk contribs friendly) 14:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 09:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] The Mooncats[edit]Band. Claim of notability, had a tour through northwest England. No reliable secondary sources Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 14:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 09:26, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] List of magical objects (TMNT)[edit]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoon articles. This is thus all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:28, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Mr.Z-man 02:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Daddy DJ[edit]Notability, fails WP:MUSIC, no sources, etc.... Written tone is questionable, likely promotional Rackabello (talk) 15:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply] I wrote it and it's definately not promotional, I just translated it from the de.wiki page (my German is poor and that's why the translated quality is basically poor). I don't think it fails WP:MUSIC because of this: A musician or ensemble (note that this includes a band, singer, rapper, orchestra, DJ, musical theatre group, etc.) is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria: -Has had a charted hit on any national music chart. The song was a charted hit "a song that was a major hit in Europe for the French DJ group Daddy DJ in 2001." Sorry if I'm doing this discussion page wrong, I'm a newbie. There are no sources, because I've had trouble finding anyway. The artist is dicussed on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi_sitter_i_Ventrilo_och_spelar_DotA I notice there used to be an article on this artist but it was deleted in 2006. I created this article because I was interested to learn more about the artist, and thought maybe someone would expand the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kauzio (talk • contribs) 15:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 02:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Oklahoma Storm Team[edit]
Fails WP:ORG due to lack of substantial independent sources; none have been added since March; Google hits refer to an (unrelated) basketball team. The article was created by User:Meteorologistdave apparently in WP:COI, see this profile. The PROD process failed for formal reasons, so I am sending the article here. -- Sent here as part of the Notability wikiproject. --B. Wolterding (talk) 17:02, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was no consensus. Mr.Z-man 02:40, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Roll up TV[edit]Previously deleted, not even available yet. Perhaps can be created and expanded if/when item is actually created. Jmlk17 06:53, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete Spartaz Humbug! 22:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Border Battle[edit]
No reliable evidence that this use of a common term is in any way widespread or notable. Seems to be limited to a local use, otherwise the term is used with many meanings unrelated to this article (use in politicals, combat, etc.) Pastordavid (talk) 17:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 18:58, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Creatures of Cyrodiil[edit]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 09:28, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Creatures of Oblivion[edit]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 09:27, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Creatures of Morrowind[edit]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. (talk) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep and added unreferenced tag. --JForget 00:56, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Ericsson T28[edit]Non-notable cellular phone. Insufficient references exist to build a viable Wikipedia article. {{prod}} removed without comment, so we're at AfD. Mikeblas (talk) 18:05, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Above all- the page does not deem so poorly created to be assessed to be deleted. If not, all of he stubs should be deleted above all and wikipedia would be much of a hollow encyclopedia.--Quek157 14:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Organizations of The Elder Scrolls[edit]The result was keep - nomination withdrawn, non-admin closure. Miremare 18:22, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good day The Grey Wizard (talk) 07:34, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. For those advocating merge, the target doesn't exist. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:20, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Septim bloodline[edit]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 22:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Artifacts of The Elder Scrolls[edit]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. Problems with this articles flagged by the nominator have not been addressed. BLACKKITE 18:44, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] High Rock[edit]This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK I'm not referncing deleted material. I have better examples, basically if we bring our page to a level of quality like argonian we wouldn't be in a tight jam. You are basically keeping your "vote" (it's not a vote) at delete because you don't think anybody will improve it. Bottom line is that is bullshit, you can't want something deleted because you don't think it'll get any better, as in you don't trust editors to do a good job.TostitosAreGross (talk) 02:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC) ok, don't know how that formatting error happened, but this edit should fix it. And if I truly believe that there will never be enough notable or relevant information out there on this topic to make it worthy of an article, then I can maintain that belief and my further belief that it should be deleted. Mbisanz (talk) 02:39, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. Marasmusine (talk) 09:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Cuhlecain[edit]This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:24, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete (unanimous) --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 04:02, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Orsinium[edit]This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:35, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete (unanimous) --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 04:06, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Potente Savirien-Chorak[edit]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 09:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Valenwood[edit]This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:30, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:30, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete Unsourced original research. Notability not established. There doesn't appear to be much point trying to transwiki from the comments below but if anyone wants to give it a go they can give me a nudge on my talk and I will temporarily undelete. Spartaz Humbug! 22:59, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Oblivion (dimension)[edit]
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete (unanimous) --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Ghostfence[edit]This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:39, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 02:39, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Cats(The Red 2)[edit]
non-notable band Against3 (talk) 18:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as it has sources on the bottom. Terribly needs a cleanup. Bearian (talk) 02:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. Xoloz (talk) 16:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] F-IV[edit]nonnotable band Against3 (talk) 19:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply] Hey this should not be deleted!!!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.31.11.101 (talk) 08:10, 2 December 2007
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo (talk) 09:34, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Local broadcast system[edit]AfDs for this article:
This appears to be a random original synthesis of disparate topics such as karaoke machines, DVD rental stations, and a cry for the Montreal forum to be wrapped in display monitors, as well as a plug for Sony-branded karaoke DVDs. Taken as a whole, the article doesn't make a lot of sense, and given the lack of possible external references (frex, a Google search for "Local broadcast system" turns up nothing using the phrase in the manner used in the article), I don't think it can be fixed. ArglebargleIV (talk) 22:10, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete Although the discussion here is spare, deletion succeeds on strength of argument. As it stands, this content barely avoids CSD A3 for link-lists. There is a minimal, unsourced introduction, together with the list of providers savvy enough to link themselves to Wikipedia: this is not what an article is supposed to be. A real rewrite on the topic is welcome, but this is a linkspam-haven for the moment, and it is in the best interest of the Project to remove it forthwith. Xoloz (talk) 16:13, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Feedback comment system[edit]
Does not assert notability. No sources. Seems like a spam trap. Torc2 (talk) 23:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. The burden of proof of notability/verifiability is on those who support keeping. No sources were provided, even after a relisting and the article is almost speedy deletable as WP:CSD#A1 (almost no context). Mr.Z-man 05:08, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Dynamic Feedback Protocol[edit]
Does not assert notability. Article really doesn't have any substance. No sources, etc. Torc2 (talk) 23:17, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Mr.Z-man 02:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Dikeou collection[edit]
This collection (which I presume refers to a gallery) is not notable, and its notable is not asserted/established within the article. WP:N, WP:NOR. AvruchTalk 23:46, 28 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was GFDL requires history merge to correct name of Stan Jagla, which may be AfD'ed afresh if anyone wishes. Everyone should note the lesson learned: DO NOT write an article on a subject if you aren't even sure of his correct name. Xoloz (talk) 16:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Steve Jagla[edit]Unelected local politician. While mentioned in coverage of the election, I don't believe he passes Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Additional_criteria for Politicians. Failed {{prod}} as the only contributor to the article, a WP:SPA, objected. Toddst1 19:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete and redirect to List of characters in the Star Fox series. Marasmusine (talk) 14:16, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Star Wolf (Star Fox)[edit]
This article is just an in-universe regurgitation of plot and character sections from various Star Fox games, and has no notability or referencing on its own. As such, its just pure duplication. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:46, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. --Oxymoron83 10:18, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Wolfen (Star Fox series)[edit]
Wow, how trivial can you get? This article is just an in-universe regurgitation of the plot of several Star Fox games, and has no notability outside of that article. As such, this is just duplication of that material in an unencyclopedic way. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:50, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep Whether or not this needs moving, redirecting or merging is an editing decision that doesn't need AFD to decide. Spartaz Humbug! 23:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Goguryeo-Guk[edit]Possible hoax. See discussion at WP:VP/A#What happens now? and talk page. Note: I know nothing about this topic - I'm listing it for another user. At very best, it is an unreferenced article. x42bn6 Talk Mess 14:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply] It's not a hoax. It's obscure, but it should have its own page and be expanded. See http://www.google.com/search?q=%EA%B2%80%EB%AA%A8%EC%9E%A0+%EA%B3%A0%EA%B5%AC%EB%A0%A4%EA%B5%AD&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.6.247.237 (talk) 15:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:21, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Mysore Education Society Kishora Kendra School[edit]
No claim of notability. The page itself is apparently semi-protected, with a history of vandalism. Montchav (talk) 19:34, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep, but cleanup, please. Resolute 03:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Incisive Media[edit]
Fails to establish notability. Article a little bit 'spammy' . Hammer1980·talk 16:57, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 13:44, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Family in Hinduism[edit]
Article is original research and primarily an essay. Anything of import could be merged with other articles on Hinduism. Delete TheRingess (talk) 16:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was GFDL requires history merge to correct name of Stan Jagla, which may be AfD'ed afresh if anyone wishes. Everyone should note the lesson learned: DO NOT write an article on a subject if you aren't even sure of his correct name. Xoloz (talk) 16:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Steve Jagla[edit]Unelected local politician. While mentioned in coverage of the election, I don't believe he passes Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Additional_criteria for Politicians. Failed {{prod}} as the only contributor to the article, a WP:SPA, objected. Toddst1 19:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:22, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Javier Martina[edit]
NN, Dutch U-19 internationals and not yet entered the first team to made any professional debut Matthew_hk tc 12:03, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was speedy delete G12 by User:Doc glasgow. ~Eliz81(C) 16:52, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Tesco Controls Incorporated[edit]
Notability of this corporation is unclear (WP:CORP). The article has survived the PROD process, but while notability is asserted in the article, it is still not established due to lack of independent sources. -- Sent here as part of the Notability wikiproject. --B. Wolterding 12:02, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. John254 20:36, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Portland Farmers Market[edit]
A local farmer's market that does not seem to meet WP:CORP. No independent sources are given. My PROD was contested, and the article wasfilled with copyright violations from the organization's home page. -- Sent here as part of the Notability wikiproject. --B. Wolterding 11:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was no consensus, leaning towards keep Those arguing for keeping seem to have made decent arguments for why these articles are useful and encyclopedic. I don't however see anything closely resembling enough of a consensus to call this a straight keep. Also, it would be strongly appreciated if the people favoring keeping these would take steps to make sure that the relevant exonyms are sourced since presently the lists contain few or no sources. There may also be a concern about original research which should be dealt with (since this wasn't brought up much in the debate below I am not weighing it in the closing decision). JoshuaZ (talk) 01:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] List of European exonyms[edit]
Transwiki this page and all its subpages: Dutch exonyms, Ukrainian exonyms, etc.. Aslo scrutinize the category:Exonyms for transwiktion: A textbook case of wiktionary: nonthing but translaions of toponyms into varuious languages. `'Míkka>t 01:43, 25 November 2007 (UTC)[reply] These are the also nominated pages by country:
Votes cast before I made my all intentions clear[edit]
Further votes[edit]
Keep all Since we're apparently still debating this, one of the things that Wikipedia excels at is being a reference work that contains more than a paper encylopedia could. The topic of exonyms is encyclopedic, but the limitations of space, and the need to conserve that space to foreign languages that we Americans consider the most popular (Spanish, French, German, in that order) has hitherto prevented something of this nature. I recognize, of course, that most people won't care about what comes from Albania-- who gives a shit about some Balkan third-world like Albania, right? True of the rest of these dinky little countries too, so delete all those litss, right? But one of Wikipedia's assets is its global view. The average American kid may find summaries of "Charmed" episodes to be more relevant than boring old exonyms, but Wikipedia is, first and foremost, a reference. Mandsford 13:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I may be able to find individual Icelandic exonyms in an English-Icelandic dictionary - but not a list of exonyms. I would have to look up each city individually. The list here is a much quicker and more comfortable way if I want to know what the Icelandic exonyms for well-known places around the world are. Also, I do not think that the request is particularly exotic. For a start, the mere existence of all those exonym lists from Albanian to Ukrainian, over time edited by lots of contributors, proves that it is something of interest to many - unlike your hypothetical "names of all carpenter tools" or "names of freshwater fish in Ngongombongo language". Of course there are many places without any well-known exonym in a particular language and therefore I don't understand why you refer to "Az-Zawiyyah in Icelandic" - well, there is no Icelandic exonym for Az-Zawiyyah, I suppose, and that's it. A "major verifiability problem" I can't see - as you said, you will find the exonyms in dictionaries. The list of Icelandic exnonyms, for instance, was checked using dictionaries not long ago. Gestumblindi (talk) 17:16, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was speedy as copyvio and salt. Seraphimblade Talk to me 09:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Yawp[edit]This is the sixth time this piece of nonsense pops up. Can we salt this thing? Speedy delete and salt. Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 09:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 08:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Drew Sandholm[edit]
Non-notable TV journalist. Fails WP:BIO and WP:V (external sources are Myspace, Youtube and his employer), and may be autobiography. I think this qualifies for a speedy delete under CSD#A7; I tagged it accordingly but the originator, Sandhomie (talk) (contribs) deleted the speedy tag three times; after he was twice warned, IP 96.2.117.107 (talk) (contribs) took over and deleted the speedy tag twice more. So here we are. JohnCD 09:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was merge to Drizzt Do'Urden. Neıl ☎ 09:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Drizzt Do'Urden's scimitars[edit]
Non-notable fictional weapons. These are just props in a series of books and some games, and there isn't enough out-of-universe, third-party reference material to build a sustainable Wikipedia article. {{prod}} and {{prod2}} removed by [[User:]] with the comment "remove prod, these are notable fictional weapons by wiki standards". I can't find any Wikipedia standard for fictional weapons. Mikeblas 09:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:37, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Menzoberranzan[edit]
Non-notable fictional location. Not enough is written in third-party sources about this location to provide references that support the construction of a meaningful Wikipedia article. The page currently consists of original research. Mikeblas 08:57, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep --JForget 01:02, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Sony Ericsson P990[edit]
Non-notable commercial product. Too few substantial references exist to build a sustainable, well-referenced Wikipedia article. What's available are largely product reviews (which don't do much but confirm the product's existence) and press-release driven capsule pieces. {{prod}} was removed by User:202.65.53.146 with the comment "I understand your concern but I find these pages to be very useful for our customer support and development of mobile applications.", which I think demonstrates how Wikipedia is being abused for commercial products. Mikeblas 08:37, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 08:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Bradley Brent Cavedo[edit]
I took the prod off this article, I thought it at least deserved an AfD since I couldn't find a notability standard for judges. He is a judge of the Virginia State Circuit Court in an important U.S. city, but there is no notable legal decisions etc. asserted to bolster that. Dougie WII 08:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete --Maxim(talk) 13:29, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] USHL Team Records[edit]
Excessive listing of events for a junior ice hockey league. Possibly trivia, and questionable notability? Grouping four articles which appear to be copied directly for USHL media guide. Flibirigit 08:05, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Neıl ☎ 11:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Neo-Nazism in Estonia[edit]
Delete unless anybody thinks that an article about 12 skinheads in 2001, a student considering leaving the country, and 3 members of the Russian neo-Nazi group were put on trial in Tallinn, + an incident in 2006 in front of McDonalds the only facts in the article make it encyclopedic. There has been enough time for everybody to come up with any facts that there is a considerable Neo-Nazi movement in Estonia, so far the 4 refed facts have remained the only facts in the article.
The result was Merge and delete, though all that existed to merge was "...airs weekday mornings at 7:30. No redirect, as "The Breakfast Show" is highly ambiguous, and the name of numerous morning shows across many television stations. Resolute 03:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] The Breakfast Show[edit]
Very little infomation about the show, not notable and it is a community television program. Thewizkid93 07:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 05:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Bulgarian ancestry of royals of Bulgaria[edit]
This article constitutes a great deal of personal research that tenuous, remote and distant connections of the House of Wettin in Bulgaria to earlier Slavic and Bulgarian dynasties which is inappropriate for inclusion on Wikipedia. Similar descents listed for other individuals (such as Nicholas II) have been deleted or switched from selective descents to general ancestry. Since Wikipedia is not a genealogical repository, this article is out of place and oversteps the line of what is worth including in Wikipedia and what is not. I don't think that very distant Bulgarian connections were the reason for choosing Ferdinand of Kohary and Saxe-Coburg and Gotha as sovereign prince in 1887 as most of Europe's royals would have shared them. Charles 07:07, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Also for consideration are the follow articles for basically the same reasons. If for any reason there are different opinions for different articles, please make note:
The result was delete as a hoax, by WP:SNOW. Bearian (talk) 21:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Ende International Airport[edit]
Appears to be a hoax. Claims that it replaces an older airport, but external links are actually for the older airport itself. (Don't know where the photo was found, but no indication it's of the airport claimed). Vandal has industriously edited many other articles to create fictitious flights here. Vardion 06:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Mr.Z-man 02:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Vineyard Vines[edit]
Not sure this is a notable company; the article makes only a very marginal claim. Parts of it read like an ad. Also, the only references are from vineyardvines.com. Unless we can get a more solid explanation of why this company's notable, I'd say delete. delldot talk 05:28, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was withdrawn by the nominator. Leebo T/C 21:45, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Jacob Richler[edit]
Does not meet the notability criteria for people, notability is not inherited. Guest9999 05:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Navigational deflector[edit]
Article makes no assertion of real-world notability. Plot-summary-laden story is entirely in-universe with no citations to reliable secondary sources. --EEMIV (talk) 05:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:39, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Shinigami (Bleach)[edit]AfDs for this article:
Pure fancruft and WP:Plot regurgitation that fails WP:FICT with WP:OR and WP:NPOV violations as well. Description of Bleach shinigami versus general meaning already covered in the appropriate detail in List of Bleach shinigami and Bleach (manga). Collectonian 04:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep - appears to have been improved to meet notability and sourcing standards. WilyD 18:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Death Ray (magazine)[edit]
Delete nn magazine published by a nn company, fails WP:CORP.
The result was Keep. There appear to be sufficient reliable sources interspersed among the "vanity" ones. That notability is limited to the UK is obviously no reason to delete. Xoloz (talk) 15:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Matt Bielby[edit]Delete nn, sources are basically first party sources, but nothing really distinguishes this gentleman. WP:BIO.Carlossuarez46 04:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. — TKD::Talk 08:51, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Dolphins Swim[edit]
Delete one-line article sourced to JMDB not a reliable source. Better to delete and await a real article rather than have an unreferenced sub-stub floating around pretending to be an encyclopedic article. Carlossuarez46 04:17, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. — TKD::Talk 08:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] LG Shine Bar (KG770)[edit]
Non-notable commercial product. Wikipedia is not a Lucky Goldstar catalog. This article is just a list of features, and reads as an advertisement. There's too little substantial, third party references to support a meaningful article; practically all material available is from press releases or in small reviews. Listing at AfD after {{prod}} removed with a WP:OTHERSTUFF argument. Mikeblas 04:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was no consensus, defaulting to keep. No indication that this is advertising but the claim for notability is debatable and more information would be helpful in improving the article. Sam Blacketer (talk) 00:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Bertazzoni-Italia[edit]
Delete was tagged speedy, declined, re-tagged and I declined because some folks here think anything 100 years old merits note. I'll write my great grandmother's article next year I guess :-) but really folks, it's just a business with no indication why it's notable and longevity of 100 years in an Italian business isn't overly old. Carlossuarez46 04:04, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep, but this certainly doesn't mean that the article can't be moved to another name if people want. I hope the discussion on whether and where to move the article will go on on its talk page. delldot talk 10:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Sean Bell[edit]Nn bio. Name of someone in the evening news Sdoll555 04:32, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 13:38, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Muzik 4 machines[edit]
Does not meet the criteria for notability per WP:MUSIC. No independent coverage. Nv8200p talk 03:48, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 13:29, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Jimmy Gibson[edit]Insufficiently sourced and speculative single event biography. Notable only as a crime victim, Wikipedia is not a newspaper. MER-C 03:31, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. --Oxymoron83 10:06, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Treasure Valley Marketplace[edit]
Non-notable outdoor shopping center Caldorwards4 03:25, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:40, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Erubism[edit]Prod removed, so here we are. Non-notable neologism, WP:OR, and/or WP:MADEUP. Zero relevant Ghits. Ravenna1961 02:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. John254 20:28, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Prohibitionists in Manitoba (provincial candidates)[edit]
Four non-notable individuals running without organization once doth not an article make. At best, this should be merged as a factoid for the List of Manitoba political parties. Also, the complete lack of references makes me think that this original research as well. I have now done some Google searching online and almost everything related to "Prohibitionists in Manitoba" is either a Wiki mirror or articles related to pot. I doubt given the nature of this topic that it could even be expanded into anything meaningful. Cheers, CP 03:10, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Redirect to Magic (Harry Potter). The Placebo Effect (talk) 18:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Magical portrait (Harry Potter)[edit]
The article does not assert notability - there is no evidence of significant coverage by independent secondary sources. All articles on fictional topics should contain and be based around real world information. Wikipedia is not a plot summary and without any real world information or sources this is just an expanded plot section. WP:FICT states that even "Sub-articles... need real-world information to prove their notability", which this article does not contain. Guest9999 02:27, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Userafw (talk) 07:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep per WP:SNOW. Bearian (talk) 02:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Church usher[edit]Delete - Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Already exists on Wiktionary. Otto4711 02:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 13:27, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] The Crabnet[edit]Delete - Unsure is this is a hoax or just some non-notable bar in Australia. Either way it is unreferenced and wikipedia is it's only yahoo hit. -- After Midnight 0001 02:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. delldot talk 07:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Edgar Steele[edit]Claims notability by being the lawyer for a case, as sourced by the Anti-Defamation League. This article appears to me to be an attack page, and a single ADL reference plus a reference to his own website doesn't to me appear to prove notability Nyttend 02:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if he's notable, but he was covered a bit in Idaho. For example:
—"The Rev. Butler's attorney becomes his protege," Lewiston Morning Tribune, May 2, 2004. This event was also covered in the Spokane Spokesman-Review. It looks like the only national coverage was during the trial, and it did not focus so much on the lawyer. On balance, I say delete. Cool Hand Luke 02:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As the creator of this page, I would argue that he is quite notable within white supremacist circles. SkepticMatt 02:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The article isn't an attack, the guy has compared black people to cows on his website and has asked the ADL to refer to his as "Mr. Anti-Semite." Just because the vast majority of people would find his views reprehensible does not mean that stating the facts about Steele is an "attack." Notice that I never said that Steele's views were "hateful," or "wrong," in the entry and thus I maintained NPOV. Incidentally, prior to his "coming out," as an extremist, he was an attorney for several notable clientelle, appearing on all major cable networks. He remains a prominent figure in the White Nationalist and White Supremacist communities, and was prominently featured alongside David Duke in a 2004 rally. SkepticMatt (talk) 03:41, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 13:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] VíaVienté[edit]AfDs for this article:
This article has been deleted twice before. It concerns a non-notable MLM, and is written by a user who persistently keeps reposting it. It now has more sources, but they're all garbage. For example, it cites to Time magazine—except Time never mentioned the product. It's cited because the company was allowed to buy reprints of the article as advertising. This article also cites the company itself and press releases which utterly fail to demonstrate notability. I've looked, and there's just nothing here. It fails WP:CORP. It's also pretty clear that this page exists to promote the product, so is also WP:SPAM. Cool Hand Luke 01:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 06:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Invasionist[edit]This started out as an attack page. I took out the attack and prodded as a neologism invented this week. The word already existed without this specialized meaning. Deprodded today, so I'm bringing it here as a not notable neologism. Dlohcierekim 01:39, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was no consensus. Mr.Z-man 02:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Silver Moon Books[edit]
Assertion of notability is not backed up, or convincing. 'An international following' isn't necessarily a criteria of notability. I'm not sure what 'Sold on high streets' means but I doubt that this is an assertion of notability either. No references or citations. A similar article is bdsmbooks.com also proposed for (CSD) deletion. If an admin removes that DB without deleting, and the person who placed the DB tag doesn't switch to AfD, I'll list that one here as well. AvruchTalk 01:01, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 12:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Dixiepunk[edit]Neologism, no evidence of use ([54]). PROD/PROD2 removed. BLACKKITE 00:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete "List of characters in Glass Mask" and move "List of major characters in Glass Mask" to that title to cover the notable characters. --Oxymoron83 11:40, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] List of major characters in Glass Mask[edit]
Delete normally we don't divide between major and not major characters in these sorts of lists; a merge of anything useful to List of characters in Glass Mask and then delete this is the best result. Carlossuarez46 00:38, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep, given the strength of argument, and the direction in which the discussion headed as it neared closing. Xoloz (talk) 15:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Man flu[edit]AfDs for this article:
Completing improperly placed nom by User:Psinu Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 00:36, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. A list of plays performed by the characters seems minimally important, so I won't merge. If someone wants to do so, let me know & I'll restore the list in userspace. — Scientizzle 17:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Glass Mask drama plays[edit]
Delete another bare bones outline of an article with minimal content and context and lacking sources, not encyclopedic, and nn. Carlossuarez46 00:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. delldot talk 05:55, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Glass Mask places[edit]
Delete just barely enough content & context to avoid speedy, but still neither encyclopedic, notable, or keepable Carlossuarez46 00:31, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was redirect to Call of Duty (series) until there is enough information from multiple sources to warrant a fleshed out stub ˉˉanetode╦╩ 13:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Call of Duty 5[edit]AfDs for this article:
Seems way to WP:CRYSTAL, source provided for this article seems to be a blog or forum. VivioFateFan (Talk, Sandbox) 00:30, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Frisbeetarianism
The result was _ _ ((___)) [ x x ] \ / Delete ˉˉanetode╦╩ 13:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC) (' ') (U) MOOism[edit]AfDs for this article:
This was kept two years ago because some people had heard of it, but at 2700 google hits this is so not an internet phenomenon, not even if it gets a minor passing reference in a book that is talking about the Internet as a whole. >Radiant< 00:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete per WP:SNOW, WP:NOT, WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:N. Sorry, dude, the spork wins. Bearian (talk) 19:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Order of the spoon[edit]No, Wikipedia is still not for things made up in school one day. Putting some terms together and grabbing a website does not constitute a valid parody religion. While I'm sure imitation is the highest form of flattery, a Flying Spaghetti Monster this is not. >Radiant< 00:13, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep JoshuaZ (talk) 02:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Gordon Vuong[edit]contested PROD, originally proposed for deletion per WP:BLP1E, but contested by User:Matilda. Non-notable person imprisoned for drug trafficking. Stormie 00:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was redirect to Katamari Damacy. delldot talk 05:33, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] List of Cousins (Katamari Damacy)[edit]
This article is in violation of WP:FICT. As the original creator of the article, (I wrote it way back when) I don't think it is a valid topic. It has twice been changed to a redirect, the second time by myself. Both times it was reverted, so I am bringing it here. Please not that I do not believe the article should be deleted, but only redirected to Katamari Damacy. RyanGerbil10(Говорить!) 03:15, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Evidence presented indicates no such campaign prior to 2006. Article has zero sources to substantiate claims or info so a redirect appears unnecessary at this time. Pigman☿ 02:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] BadXP[edit]AfDs for BadVista:
The result was delete. - Mailer Diablo 12:34, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Thieves' Guild (Elder Scrolls)[edit]AfDs for this article:
This article asserts no notability through reliable sources, and as such is just an in-universe repetition of plot elements from the Elder Scrolls games. As Wikipedia is not a gameguide, and this is all duplicative, this can be safely deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:04, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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