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:'''Support.''' The disaster has left, at the time of writing, at least 72 dead, many missing, many more displaced and huge property damages. It is at a comparable scale to the very consequential [[1957 Valencia flood]] . [[User:Milo8505|Milo8505]] <sub>[[User_talk:Milo8505|(talk)]]</sub> 14:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC) |
*<ul><li>'''Support'''. Ongoing story but ready to post.</li></ul><span id="AdrianHObradors:1730308960323:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> — [[User:AdrianHObradors|AdrianHObradors]] ([[User talk:AdrianHObradors|talk]]) 17:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)</span>:'''Support.''' The disaster has left, at the time of writing, at least 72 dead, many missing, many more displaced and huge property damages. It is at a comparable scale to the very consequential [[1957 Valencia flood]] . [[User:Milo8505|Milo8505]] <sub>[[User_talk:Milo8505|(talk)]]</sub> 14:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' Very significant disaster, unusually high death toll and article is fairly good. [[User:AusLondonder|AusLondonder]] ([[User talk:AusLondonder|talk]]) 14:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' Very significant disaster, unusually high death toll and article is fairly good. [[User:AusLondonder|AusLondonder]] ([[User talk:AusLondonder|talk]]) 14:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' article looks good. This weather event is approaching to become the most severe natural disaster in over a hundred years in the country, making it unquestionably ITNR-worthy. Just a nuance: although Spain is mostly a dry country, the Mediterranean climate characteristic of the regions of Catalonia, Valencia, Balearic Islands, Murcia and parts of Andalusia naturally implies episodes of this type in Autumn and Spring. So floods are not rare, but in this case it is considerably exceptional because of the very high number of victims and the magnitude of the damage. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 15:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC) |
*'''Support''' article looks good. This weather event is approaching to become the most severe natural disaster in over a hundred years in the country, making it unquestionably ITNR-worthy. Just a nuance: although Spain is mostly a dry country, the Mediterranean climate characteristic of the regions of Catalonia, Valencia, Balearic Islands, Murcia and parts of Andalusia naturally implies episodes of this type in Autumn and Spring. So floods are not rare, but in this case it is considerably exceptional because of the very high number of victims and the magnitude of the damage. [[User:Alsoriano97|_-_Alsor]] ([[User talk:Alsoriano97|talk]]) 15:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC) |
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October 30
October 30, 2024
(Wednesday)
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Gang war in Haiti
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: "This is effectively a civil war". Article needs updating with the 2024 Pont-Sondé attack and the recent attacks in Port-au-Prince. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:14, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- While yes, this is ongoing, the problem is that the article is seeing very little updates and, as the nominator points out, the recent major developments are not covered yet. Articles in ongoing need to be constantly updated. Tone 09:54, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
2024 Indian bomb hoaxes
Blurb: Over 100 flights across Indian airlines received bomb threats on Tuesday, adding to over 510 hoax threats in 16 days, mostly via social media (Post)
Alternative blurb: 2024 Indian bomb hoaxes, 510+ hoax threats in 16 days
Alternative blurb II: Over 500 hoax bomb threats target Indian airlines.
News source(s): CNN The Guardian BBC NBC NewsAl Jazeera Times of india
Credits:
- Nominated by Spworld2 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Spworld2 (talk) 06:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This may be better for ongoing. I'll make an altblurb here, though. Departure– (talk) 13:57, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Yeah, seeing as this is since April, I strongly suggest this goes into ongoing instead of getting a blurb. Altblurb 2 proposed. Departure– (talk) 13:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Again, ongoing is for stories where there is near daily news updates, not simply because an event has has a long tail. The dates on the target page suggest there were only a few bursts of activity related to these threats and thus fails the idea of near daily coverage. — Masem (t) 14:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Yeah, seeing as this is since April, I strongly suggest this goes into ongoing instead of getting a blurb. Altblurb 2 proposed. Departure– (talk) 13:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This is definitely worth getting a blurb at least. Manumaker08 (talk) 17:00, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
October 29
October 29, 2024
(Tuesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Disasters and accidents
Politics and elections
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October 2024 Spain floods
Blurb: Floods in Spain kill over 60 people. (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ
Credits:
- Nominated by Unknown Temptation (talk · give credit)
- Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Surprised this wasn't nominated already. Sixty dead (at least) by nature in Western Europe is a huge story, particularly in a drier country. I know nothing about natural disasters or other scientific topics so I welcome alternative blurbs Unknown Temptation (talk) 14:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Ongoing story but ready to post.
- Support Very significant disaster, unusually high death toll and article is fairly good. AusLondonder (talk) 14:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks good. This weather event is approaching to become the most severe natural disaster in over a hundred years in the country, making it unquestionably ITNR-worthy. Just a nuance: although Spain is mostly a dry country, the Mediterranean climate characteristic of the regions of Catalonia, Valencia, Balearic Islands, Murcia and parts of Andalusia naturally implies episodes of this type in Autumn and Spring. So floods are not rare, but in this case it is considerably exceptional because of the very high number of victims and the magnitude of the damage. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support - high death toll, no referencing issues. Mjroots (talk) 15:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Article looks good and well-referenced (and is still being expanded by the hour, if not by the minute). This flood is increasingly becoming a very historic event not just for Valencia but also for Spain (and to some extent, Europe). Vida0007 (talk) 15:58, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Effects seem to be on a par with the 1957 Valencia flood, which caused a similar amount of deaths and spurred a civil engineering project worth reading about. Daß Wölf 16:24, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Needs work The article doesn't currently explain the cause clearly. It talks about a cold drop for previous similar storms but calls this one a gota fría without explaining that they are the same thing. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Cold drop means literally gota fría in Spanish. Given it's about an event in Spain this kind of confusion is possible. Will take a look at it. Milo8505 (talk) 17:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Teri Garr
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Masem (t) 17:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Very well known actress. Article looks great! INeedSupport 🎃 18:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Per above. Rynoip (talk) 20:38, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Article is sufficiently sourced and of adequate quality. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 10:07, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Akua Donkor
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Citinewsroom
Credits:
- Nominated by Heatrave (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Ghanaian politician who was contesting the 2024 general elections. Heatrave (talk) 12:09, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Some minor grammar issues. Bremps... 18:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Weak oppose okay for length and citation, but needs change in tone to a more encyclopedic one, very strange sentence formulation in places. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
2021–present Bulgarian political crisis
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio Free Europe, TVP World
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Given we are unlikely to post October 2024 Bulgarian parliamentary election as it hasn't broken the deadlock, and that we had an almost unprecedented 7 elections in 3 years all resulting in not much progress, perhaps it is worth adding this to ongoing. There is no rule saying that it has to be a military conflict or sporting event to be ongoing, a political crisis can be a good candidate for addition. Most recent election needs adding to the article. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:47, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Ongoing is meant for long-term events that are getting near-daily coverage in the media, not simply because its a long, drawn out event. The edit history of the target article shows it only really is active a couple times a year around elections and fails the ongoing requirement for ITN. --Masem (t) 11:59, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is not a widely reported crisis and the coverage of this is only increasing at the time of the election. TNM101 (chat) 14:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Insufficient recent activity or significant events to merit posting to Ongoing at this time. SpencerT•C 16:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I think we should wait first and vote on the October election first before we consider going to Ongoing, my take personally though Ion.want.uu (talk) 18:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I concur. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator comment if we are going to invoke WP:IAR not posting these elections every 3-6 months or so, then we can use this as a suitable replacement, nowhere does it say we cannot. Whereas we usually expect articles to have ongoing coverage, this firstly isn't impossible to rectify, but also it is only natural that this will get more attention around election time, I think this should be factored in when considering. The article can easily be filled with coalition talks/breakdowns in between elections accordingly and this gets lots and lots of coverage in Bulgaria, despite the election fatigue. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:26, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
October 28
October 28, 2024
(Monday)
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RD: Jamshid Sharmahd
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deutsche Welle
Credits:
- Nominated by Zwerg Nase (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: German-Iranian journalist executed in Iran yesterday Zwerg Nase (talk) 14:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article appears to be well sourced. TNM101 (chat) 14:38, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support: Article is in good shape. Prodrummer619 (talk) 15:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: We say he is a journalist (as does some of the references) but it's not clear what he has written, they seem to be saying his movement's website. He doesn't seem to have ever written for an independent publication. Secretlondon (talk) 10:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Renato Martino
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Catholic News Agency, Vatican News
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:550B:B06A:7D69:455A (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Italian Roman Catholic cardinal. 240F:7A:6253:1:550B:B06A:7D69:455A (talk) 04:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Apostolic Nuncio section needs more references. Prodrummer619 (talk) 15:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
2024 Ballon d'Or
Blurb: In association football, Rodri wins the Ballon d'Or and Aitana Bonmatí wins the Ballon d'Or Feminin. (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Heatrave (talk · give credit)
Heatrave (talk) 22:01, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as it's just an individual award in a team sport. That's not very notable.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support I disagree. This is the biggest individual award a player can win in association football. It is the award that determines the "best player" in the sport. Very notable as it pertains to association football, which is one of the biggest sports in the world.
- Heatrave (talk) 22:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Journalists voting for the "best player" in the world isn't very notable, and there's already criticism that it's not fair to single individuals in a team sport. Furthermore, we already post too many football stories every year so this one is really redundant. This is very similar to the NBA Most Valuable Player, which we've never posted and will probably never do.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Journalists voting for the "best player" in the world isn't very notable, and there's already criticism that it's not fair to single individuals in a team sport. Furthermore, we already post too many football stories every year so this one is really redundant. This is very similar to the NBA Most Valuable Player, which we've never posted and will probably never do.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on Quality; article is mostly tables. However, I do find the tepid feeling of ITN towards this award to be odd. Last nominated in 2021 to heavy opposition, and not nominated since. I get the point of opposing individual sporting awards, but soccer/football is the world's largest sport and relevant in discussion in most countries in the world, and the Ballon is the sport's highest honor. I think this is particularly relevant in a sport where there are so many prominent leagues, as most sports the best league's MVP is considered the greatest player, but with soccer, the best player could be in England, France, Germany, Spain, etc. To this end, I do believe this item should merit some discussion, but there should be some expansion of the Ballon article, whether it ends up being the target or not. DarkSide830 (talk) 23:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have no issues on notability (it's the lead story on every sports page in Europe, and - especially in Spain - it's a leading news story as well), but the quality is lacking at the moment. Black Kite (talk) 09:07, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Paul Morrissey
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
American film director known for his early association with Andy Warhol. Thriley (talk) 16:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support article has no problems at a glance. Rynoip (talk) 19:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
October 27
October 27, 2024
(Sunday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
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RD: Edzard Reuter
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tagesschau, Bundespräsident
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: CEO Daimler Benz. The article was poorly referenced, I've added a lot. Grimes2 (talk) 15:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: John F. Keenan
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American judge. Staraction (talk | contribs) 05:27, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Fully referenced; adequate overview of notable cases he was involved with. SpencerT•C 06:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
2024 Uzbek parliamentary election
Blurb: The Uzbekistan Liberal Democratic Party wins the 2024 Uzbek parliamentary election which was criticized for lack of opposition participation. (Post)
News source(s): [1][2]
Credits:
- Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
- Created by Moondragon21 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Article needs serious work, but it is ITN/R, the results are in and I added them Scuba 15:05, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Agree that the article needs work, a good nomination as the election is a recent news event. Moondragon21 (talk) 15:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- If the article needs work, why do you support the nomination at this time, Moondragon21? Or are you saying that despite work being necessary, this is in a suitable state to post? Schwede66 07:21, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm saying it has potential. For example if expanded using the Uzbek article. Moondragon21 (talk) 12:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
(Closed) Evo Morales assassination attempt
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Former Bolivian president Evo Morales (pictured) survives an assassination attempt targeting his vehicle. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Former president of Bolivia, Evo Morales (pictured) survives an assassination attempt targeting his car.
News source(s): BBC News CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)
Evo Morales was really popular. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 08:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - The section for the assassination attempt on Morales' article is currently only three sentences long. An expansion of the section might be needed before posting. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 08:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Not important enough because he is former Bolivian president. Tradediatalk 11:12, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Says here his driver (no name given) survived and Morales was just lucky to have not been shot at all (like most celebrities). InedibleHulk (talk) 11:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose at the current time, currently it is only Morales' claim that there was an assassination attempt, and while there is an investigation going on, we wouldn't take the word of just one person. --Masem (t) 12:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose not enough coverage or content. Scuba 14:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Event is not notable enough for an ITN blurb as he is a former president of Bolivia. Also, the section about the assassination attempt itself is far too short. TNM101 (chat) 16:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I note that we did post an attempted assassination of a former president not that long ago. However, this entire event has had no casualties of any kind and may in fact just be hearsay, so there's no merit in posting it. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. Aside from his own statement, little information is known about this attempted assassination. Additionally, there is no separate article yet for the said attempt; in fact, the specific section in his article is still three sentences long as of this writing. Vida0007 (talk) 01:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- A separate article wouldn't necessarily be needed if there was little else to say. We do not need separate event articles for every event (this goes against NOTNEWS) — Masem (t) 01:09, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose: It wouldn't be the first time that Evo Morales voices a conspiracy theory of evil people going after him. Unless there are further elements to back this, it's like the kid who cried wolf. Cambalachero (talk) 02:50, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
2024 Asian Netball Championships
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Blurb: In netball, Singapore win the Asian Netball Championship by defeating Sri Lanka in the final. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In netball, the Asian Netball Championship concludes with Singapore defeating Sri Lanka in the final
News source(s): The Straits Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Abishe (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Removed ITN/R label only the World Cup is listed. Abcmaxx (talk) 01:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Article is nowhere close to expected standards to cover a tournament-type event. And given that netball does not have as great a follow as compared to assc. football or cricket, its hard to justify anything else but the ITNR World Cup item. Masem (t) 01:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality and notability Very niche single sex sport and this is not the top tier competition in it nor is it a worldwide event. Furthermore the article is very poor quality, short, missing subsections, sections which are just stat dumps, paragraph spacing all over the place, the lead constitutes most of the article, sections are incomplete, no description of the finals and many, many other quality issues. Abcmaxx (talk) 01:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment@Abcmaxx: I added the description of the final match. Will address the concerns as per everyone's wishes. Abishe (talk) 02:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Not important enough as a sporting event. Tradediatalk 11:14, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Article and especially the description of the Final fails WP:NPOV. Also not sure about the inclusion of only India and Sri Lanka's squads in the article. Furthermore, as Abcmaxx mentioned, not a top tier competition for a single gender sport and lacks significant mainstream coverage.TNM101 (chat) 14:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as far as I can tell this is a regional sporting event which isn't ITN notable. Scuba 15:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - This is not the top tier, nor is this regional contest particularly outstanding. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
(Needs reviewers) 2024 Lithuanian parliamentary election
Blurb: The Social Democrats, led by Vilija Blinkevičiūtė (pictured), win the Lithuanian parliamentary elections after the second round. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Results have been announced. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:51, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support article looks in good shape. Scuba 01:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support on significance as this will no doubt result in a change in government, with the Social Democrats returning to power after 8 years in opposition. Oppose on quality for now as the article could still do with some work; two sections are orange tagged and the lead is absurdly short for an election article. --Grnrchst (talk) 13:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Significance is certainly there per WP:ITNELECTIONS, and especially since this is a complete upheaval of the government. As for the article's quality: I took care of one of the two orange-tagged sections mentioned by Grnrchst. I will admit that the article is dominated by tables and numbers, but that is typical for an article on an election. It would be nice to have a bit more prose concerning issues such as the background of the election, the course of the campaign, and stances taken by parties / arguments made in debates. Currently the background section provides an inkling of this, but given that it glosses over "the COVID-19 pandemic in Lithuania, 2020–2021 Belarusian protests and the Belarus–European Union border crisis and the Russian invasion of Ukraine" in one sentence there is definite room for improvement. Overall I'd say the quality is sufficient though. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 18:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
October 2024 Bulgarian parliamentary election
Blurb: GERB–SDS wins the most seats in the October 2024 Bulgarian parliamentary election, however, fails to break the country's long running political deadlock (Post)
Alternative blurb: GERB–SDS wins a plurality in the Bulgarian parliamentary election
News source(s): [3] [4]
Credits:
- Nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
- Created by Number 57 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Article needs to be updated with results and aftermath. But it is ITN/R. Scuba 19:15, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: This is the seventh parliamentary election since 2021, however we still see status quo remains unchanged, I do not know when (or how many parliamentary elections) will Bulgaria resolve this situation. Haers6120 (talk) 20:00, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Bulgarian elections, set your watch to 'em This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:56, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment We should probably invoke WP:IAR to omit this election’s results, despite the fact it’s an ITN/R item, and post when the next government will be formed. Seventh parliamentary election in three years with a turnout below 40% says enough that this is just a routine event that even the majority of Bulgarians don’t care about. Note that the results, according to the exit polls, don’t suggest drastic changes compared to the previous election.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:31, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- regardless, as per ITN/R, all national elections including this one, deserve ITN status. Scuba 01:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Unless we ignore that rule. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, sorry, got a little confused reading your comment earlier. Scuba 13:01, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Unless we ignore that rule. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- regardless, as per ITN/R, all national elections including this one, deserve ITN status. Scuba 01:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose IAR on the ITN/R here until they actually make progress towards forming a government, this will be the seventh time this has come up in the last 3 years. RachelTensions (talk) 04:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- altblurb aas succinct.2A00:F3C:A282:0:352B:A597:2C95:67BA (talk) 07:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now If a government is successfully formed, then I'd support a blurb at a later date. But as of now, unfortunately Bulgaria having another election isn't big news. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Election results with plurality are not unusual.Sportsnut24 (talk) 11:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, but this is the seventh election the country has had in 3 years, because none of them have resulted in the formation of stable governments. If a Bulgarian election results in the formation of a government, that is what would be newsworthy. --Grnrchst (talk) 13:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Election results with plurality are not unusual.Sportsnut24 (talk) 11:09, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I am supporting using WP:IAR here and posting the next election where a government is actually being formed with a majority. TNM101 (chat) 15:37, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- IAR Oppose per above. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support the article is better than most election articles, and yes, they are very frequent lately but it's still only twice a year and won't last forever. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Japanese general election
Blurb: In the 2024 Japanese general election, the LDP-led ruling coalition loses its majority in the House of Representatives. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The long-ruling LDP despite winning the 2024 Japanese general election, loses its majority in the House of Representatives.
News source(s): Reuters, BBC News, FNN, The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Haers6120 (talk · give credit)
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Updated: now clearly, the LDP-led coalition lost its majority held since 2012 (by NHK Japan) , this election is the most significant Japanese general election in at least 10 years. Haers6120 (talk) 15:25, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: There is already the possibility that the LDP could re-invite some of the independents they removed from the party (Its in many discussions in news sources), which could give them a option of a majority, but all votes need counted to be sure. And both apposing main parties are also likely to attempt to get a majority by trying to work with smaller parties, so this maybe isn't as clear cut as say, 2024 UK general election. TheCorriynial (talk) 17:04, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- For sure, it is too early to say that the government formation; nevertheless, it is the first time since the 2012 election that the LDP-led coalition failed to win a comfortable majority in the House of Representatives. Haers6120 (talk) 17:16, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- It no longer looks like the LDP have a chance from the ballot box, the current count now has the opposition as crossing the 233 threshold. But, with some off the cuff math, with 22 undeclared seats, and around ten ish independents the LDP could take back, its gonna be a close "win" for either side. TheCorriynial (talk) 17:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's why this election is significant :)
- By the way, this NHK election portal (although in jp) may provide more up-to-date election result info. Haers6120 (talk) 17:36, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I do think math wise, in the end, even with changes, it will likely lean CDP and all other parties, but it may just be split house. Although, with three seats left, it kinda looks like the final total could be a 214-251, which, even with some flips of independents, would not be enough for LDP to have 233. TheCorriynial (talk) 17:46, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- The Ishin (JIP) may become the kingmaker. Haers6120 (talk) 18:38, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ishin already said their not going the LDP's way, so likely.... TheCorriynial (talk) 18:48, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's hard to say, given the significant ideological differences between CDP and JIP, the JIP may reverse its decision during the coalition talks. But still we never know. Haers6120 (talk) 18:55, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Point aside, its now pretty clear LDP have lost. TheCorriynial (talk) 18:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's hard to say, given the significant ideological differences between CDP and JIP, the JIP may reverse its decision during the coalition talks. But still we never know. Haers6120 (talk) 18:55, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ishin already said their not going the LDP's way, so likely.... TheCorriynial (talk) 18:48, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- The Ishin (JIP) may become the kingmaker. Haers6120 (talk) 18:38, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I do think math wise, in the end, even with changes, it will likely lean CDP and all other parties, but it may just be split house. Although, with three seats left, it kinda looks like the final total could be a 214-251, which, even with some flips of independents, would not be enough for LDP to have 233. TheCorriynial (talk) 17:46, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- It no longer looks like the LDP have a chance from the ballot box, the current count now has the opposition as crossing the 233 threshold. But, with some off the cuff math, with 22 undeclared seats, and around ten ish independents the LDP could take back, its gonna be a close "win" for either side. TheCorriynial (talk) 17:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- For sure, it is too early to say that the government formation; nevertheless, it is the first time since the 2012 election that the LDP-led coalition failed to win a comfortable majority in the House of Representatives. Haers6120 (talk) 17:16, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support alt 99.21% of the vote is in, these are the results give or take a half percentage or so. LDP will need to either form a coalition or rule via a minority. Somewhat big news for Japanese politics. Regardless, it is a national election and ITN/R, and the quality of the article is good enough for inclusion. Scuba 15:15, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support National elections are ITN/R and we post elections with less than 99% of the vote in all the time. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:56, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support The votes have been counted and LDP-Komei only has 215 seats. With the isshin refusing I can already see LDP getting knocked out temporarily. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 22:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, the infobox need be changed as it is missing Social Democratic Party who won 1 seat but is not included. Shadow4dark (talk) 00:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Komeito should be mentioned in the blurb. GodzillamanRor (talk) 01:10, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wait on original blurb, oppose altblurb it looks like this election will result in a hung parliament, with a CDP coalition or minority looking likely. Altblurb in this case would be wrong. Aydoh8[contribs] 02:00, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Wait a little bit on original blurb The LDP PM is giving a press conference at 14:00 JST today. It's possible he could resign, in which case we could roll this blurb in with his resignation. In any case, it will likely take days to form a coalition, so I don't think there is any sense in waiting beyond today to post.Ishiba said in his press conference he's not resigning (for now). I think we're good to post this. Basil the Bat Lord (talk) 02:32, 28 October 2024 (UTC)- Wait a little on original blurb - per Basil the Bat Lord's reasoning. MiasmaEternal☎ 03:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support on significance. The LDP losing its majority is big news. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:25, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support because the LDP losing its majority is rare, and the CDP had its best results in party history. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 11:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support, given the LDP having a majority for so much of the post-war period. John Smith's (talk) 17:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support the first blurb, as that looks to be in line with the standard form for parties that lose their parliamentary majorities but not exactly losing power (yet). I do not have problems with regards to the target article itself; the election article looks good to me. Vida0007 (talk) 00:42, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Posted. SpencerT•C 06:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Jim Donovan
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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- Updated and nominated by Spencer (talk · give credit)
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(Posted) 2024 Georgian parliamentary election
Blurb: The parliamentary election in Georgia results in no clear winner amid allegations of ballot stuffing and voter intimidation. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Georgian Dream wins the parliamentary election in Georgia amidst allegations of voting irregularities.
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: The most important election in the nation's history and key turning point. Everyone has declared themselves the winner, increasingly quite clear the vote wasn't entirely fair which was expected given the ruling party's past comments and links to Russia. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:45, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality as the more you scroll down into the page the more unsourced paragraphs you see, especially in lines describing the parties themselves. Maybe some of them would be better off as excerpts? GeorgeMemulous (talk) 21:52, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- I only see a few citation needed tags though? It looks well sourced to me but it is a long article. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- For instance check the Labour Party section towards the end. It's got only a single source, less than what I would consider ideal for a current election article. On other aspects of quality though it's looking good with 284 sources and plenty of prose. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 22:06, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- I only see a few citation needed tags though? It looks well sourced to me but it is a long article. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:58, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- There will be protests tomorrow (today), nevertheless with over 90% counted, GD has won. It's not gonna be a Moldovan colored revolution like a decade+ ago. Also fitting both get on there. support.Sportsnut24 (talk) 03:45, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Although there are little bit of cn tags, the article is well sourced and well written. I dont think and article with over 200 references is of low quality, comparing to just 6 cn tags. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 11:41, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have improved the cn tags now. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 14:10, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support, quite an important election regionally and geopolitically. Article good enough. Nsk92 (talk) 12:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wait if I understand the results right, there's still no clear winner by the counts and that's still happening so an "official" result will be known in a day or so. Of course, one party appears to be claiming victory, another is claiming the election was stolen, and looks like protests are likely. This would also help to expand the results and aftermath sections, which are nowhere close to the quality to capture the confusion in the wake of the election. --Masem (t) 14:19, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Like with any foreign political involvement or electoral fraud cases we may never know the true winner though, so the result is unlikely to be clear regardless of what happens now. If there are widespread protests then it would likely require a separate article anyway, like post-Belarussian elections did. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:12, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- There would be an announced winner, though whether that's considered legitimate or not should be discussed should that be an issue, but it's not like, say, 2000 with Bush v Gore holding up the results of the elections. The count needs to be finished and the results announced. If it were a result too close to call, requiring further vote counting or secondary elections, that would be a story. But it still seems that the vote counting is still ongoing, its too close for anyone to neutrally be declared a winner. — Masem (t) 20:29, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- We always accept the results announced by the official authority, which, in this case, is the Central Election Commission (CEC). If the results were falsified and the election was stolen, the CEC should take appropriate actions. What the international community thinks is completely irrelevant as this election is an internal affair of Georgia. At the end of the day, the Georgian state authorities decide whether the country will move in a pro-Western or pro-Russian direction. Our business here is to post the election results per ITN/R. I personally don’t care what’s their choice as it doesn’t affect me too much. I visited the country last year, and it’s really very beautiful with rich culture, majestic landscapes and very delicious cuisine.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Like with any foreign political involvement or electoral fraud cases we may never know the true winner though, so the result is unlikely to be clear regardless of what happens now. If there are widespread protests then it would likely require a separate article anyway, like post-Belarussian elections did. Abcmaxx (talk) 19:12, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support regardless of if the (clearly faked) results are challenged, this is the result of the election. We posted the Russian election, no reason why we wouldn't post this either. Ensuing protests can be their own blurb later down the road. Scuba 19:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment With 99.96% of the votes counted, Georgian Dream won 89 out of 150 seats in the Georgian parliament. How does this suggest that there’s no clear winner?--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:03, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- The vote wasn't fair and hasn't been accepted by election observers nor the opposition when there are different voting outcomes claimed by pretty much everyone involved. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:27, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- As I mentioned in my comment above, we accept the results announced by the election authority (in this case, the Central Election Commission), not what the opposition or the international observers say, and this is exactly what is used in the article’s infobox and body. If there’s a more reliable vote counter, it should be in the article.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 23:45, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- The vote wasn't fair and hasn't been accepted by election observers nor the opposition when there are different voting outcomes claimed by pretty much everyone involved. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:27, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support and added altblurb. Georgian Dream seems to be the winner, but noted that the election is in dispute. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 01:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Posted the ALT blurb. Schwede66 07:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Israel strikes Iran
Blurb: Israel launches missile strikes across Iran in retaliation for earlier Iranian strikes in Israel this month. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Israel conducts air strikes in western Iran in retaliation for Iranian strikes on Israel earlier this month.
News source(s): https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-iran-strike-retaliation-live-updates-rcna177303
Credits:
- Nominated by GeorgeMemulous (talk · give credit)
- Created by HadesTTW (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit), Brandon Downes (talk · give credit) and Flemmish Nietzsche (talk · give credit)
Another development in the Iran - Israel proxy conflict. Not so much proxy any more, however. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 00:46, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, lean oppose. This isn't the first time Israel attacked Iran this year, and that time proved to be bloodless. We shouldn't promote this unless if Israel does a full scale invasion of Iran or vice versa. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 00:50, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Islamic Republic in Iran also lunched more than one bloodless missle attack on Israel and we did cover them both times, why the second Israeli attack is less important? This is acctually the first time in the history that Israel lunched a major scale, direct attack on Iranian soil. 3000MAX (talk) 01:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes it was the the first. That alone makes it notable. 'supportSportsnut24 (talk) 03:41, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Islamic Republic in Iran also lunched more than one bloodless missle attack on Israel and we did cover them both times, why the second Israeli attack is less important? This is acctually the first time in the history that Israel lunched a major scale, direct attack on Iranian soil. 3000MAX (talk) 01:39, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wait there are reports that there are more attacks ongoing. We should wait until the strikes are over and see the damage. If there are widespread attacks or attacks on important targets, we should post, but otherwise, we should consider taking Israel-Hamas+Hezbollah off of Ongoing and put in Iran-Israel proxy conflict Personisinsterest (talk) 02:00, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wait and see what develops. It's too soon to write an article while information is so thin. Jehochman Talk 02:04, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support: The most sustained attack the Islamic Republic of Iran has come under since the Iran-Iraq War, and a major news story. The article has been fleshed out substantially since the earlier votes to 'wait'. ENEvery (talk) 16:49, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose This is just the latest operation in a conflict that has been hot for a year now. The blurb gets it wrong because it talks of missile strikes rather than air strikes. And the article has a big section about a supposed intelligence leak with zero citations. It doesn't appear that today's operation is anything special -- just some softening up -- and so it's best left to Ongoing. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:37, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Air strikes can be carried out with missiles, and it's my understanding that these strikes were; but perhaps the blurb should just be rewritten rather? ENEvery (talk) 19:11, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- The article says "over 100 aircraft, including F-35 Lightning II "Adir" stealth fighters, traveled roughly 2,000 kilometres (1,200 mi) for the attack, deploying heavy munitions ... followed by a second wave of drone strikes targeting the Parchin military complex on Tehran's outskirts". There's no mention of Israel specifically using missiles. The blurb should summarise the article, not get creative. Andrew🐉(talk) 23:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Air strikes can be carried out with missiles, and it's my understanding that these strikes were; but perhaps the blurb should just be rewritten rather? ENEvery (talk) 19:11, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Respectfully disagree with Andrew. Iran has put out a statement that it will have "no limits" or safety guards in response to what it views as a major escalation by Israel (with no comment whether that is a fair assessment or not). It is a major escalation between two nuclear powers. To torpedo the nomination because it is a "hot" conflict is circular logic... "hot" topics and "hot" conflicts are what make global news headlines. That's precisely the reason it belongs on ITN. FlipandFlopped ツ 17:41, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Iran said this was a major escalation? The article currently says almost the opposite. Bitspectator ⛩️ 19:13, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- I have to agree with Bitspectator. Iran's argument is the opposite: that it was a minor assault that barely affected Iran's military. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:40, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- It was highly restrained and minor. Nevertheless, as the first official attack that is notable.Sportsnut24 (talk) 03:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. There are military casualties, there may be answer and far going consequences. BilboBeggins (talk) 11:06, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Suggestion and comment: Change wording of blurb from "missile strikes" to "air strikes". I've already indicated my support for posting this on ITN, but I'm unsure of the correct protocol for editing the blurb. May I edit it myself, or is that the nominator's prerogative? This story is already nearly two days old; considering both previous direct attacks by Iran on Israel, and Israel's previous attack on Iran, made it to ITN rather quickly, it seems strange that this much more major attack is still languishing here in nominations. ENEvery (talk) 12:58, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - there's nothing unusual about this anymore. Perhaps a single ongoing for the various wars between Iran plus proxies against Isreal. No prejudice raising this again if one side uses nukes. Nfitz (talk) 19:50, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- it is the first attack on Iranian soul after more then 35 years by a foreign state, the first time that Israel attack Iran in the history. The fitst time that iran's official army face casualties in its conflict against Israel. 3000MAX (talk) 22:52, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Israel has killed or wounded quite a few Islamic Revolutionary Guards in Syria, but yeah, two out of three elements ain't routine. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Iran. They have never attacked Iran before.Sportsnut24 (talk) 11:11, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Israel's "liberated" Iranian souls from Iranian soil before, but this is the first time (that I remember) an official confirmation or denial. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- it is the first attack on Iranian soul after more then 35 years by a foreign state, the first time that Israel attack Iran in the history. The fitst time that iran's official army face casualties in its conflict against Israel. 3000MAX (talk) 22:52, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support This is of the same level of importance as other similar events that we blurbed in the past. Tradediatalk 11:21, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article of adequate quality and depth; first direct Israeli attack on Iran. SpencerT•C 06:50, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Phil Lesh
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [5]
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- Nominated by DriveAllKnight (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Ritchie333 (talk · give credit)
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Bassist and occasional singer in the Grateful Dead. DriveAllKnight (talk) 19:57, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Waitand see if the article can be improved. There is a lot of unsourced content, but that can now be got from obituaries. There are a number of citations to Lesh's autobiography that need page numbers. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:04, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support now the article has been cleaned up. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:22, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 20:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Abdelaziz Barrada
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News Morocco World News
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- Nominated by TNM101 (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Moroccan Footballer. Another recent footballer death.TNM101 (chat) 15:09, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose as incomplete per WP:ITNRD and WP:ITNQUALITY. A page must be "Updated, including reliably sourced confirmation of their death"; "Articles should be a minimally comprehensive overview of the subject, not omitting any major items". He played for five clubs after Marseille and that's not mentioned at all, even the bare minimum of stories of him signing for them. We wouldn't post a singer if their last five albums weren't even mentioned, to use an analogy. The templates show he was chosen for the 2013 Africa Cup of Nations and that's not mentioned at all in the prose, and would be very easy to cite. Unknown Temptation (talk) 15:32, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I fixed these issues, as well as a subjective statement about him being "crucial" or words to that effect in a lower-league reserve team. Page is going for ITN, not GA, so I believe it's sufficient now. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:15, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Requesting further attention before story falls off page. Unknown Temptation (talk) 12:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Rohini Godbole
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express
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- Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
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Indian physicist.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:57, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support looks good to me. Aydoh8[contribs] 13:49, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Article has info in lede not included elsewhere in the article. Book descriptions in the Books section appear to be copyright violations. "Research fields" section should be expanded with prose. SpencerT•C 02:03, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Kim Soo-mi
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Korea JoongAng Daily
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- Nominated by Wizzito (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
South Korean actress wizzito | say hello! 02:32, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose No career section. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline
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Writer and producer for Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Voyager. 107.115.33.41 (talk) 06:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Amir Abdur-Rahim
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Tampa Bay Times, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, USF
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- Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
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American basketball coach. The Kip (contribs) 23:09, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article appears well sourced.Youraveragearmy (talk) 13:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Close; coaching stats section needs a reference. SpencerT•C 01:30, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Julia Hawkins
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
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- Updated and nominated by ForsythiaJo (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American centenarian sprinter. ForsythiaJo (talk) 19:22, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 20:39, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- A biography that jumps straight from 1949 to 2016 is "ready"? Um, okay. Just the normal sort of detachment from reality that occurs all the time on this page, I guess. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 05:28, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- @RadioKAOS: In the interests of WP:CIVIL, I encourage you to make your point without the sniping please, whatever the level of frustration, there's far too much of that on here. I would urge you to strike the last sentence out. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:50, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- It is possible that the biography jumps straight from 1949 to 2016 because there is not much to talk about. Is this woman really notable? This is not the time and the place to discuss this. So her claim to fame seems to be that she ran a 100 meter sprint at age 105 (it took her over a minute when real runners take about 10 seconds). Why are we making 105 year old people run a 100 meter "sprint"?! This seems like an extreme case of media bullshit and woke culture. Tradediatalk 01:36, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Her notability derives almost entirely from things she did after turning 100 years old in 2016. It is not surprising that the pre-2016 biography is fairly thin. Sunshineisles2 (talk) 03:48, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- A biography that jumps straight from 1949 to 2016 is "ready"? Um, okay. Just the normal sort of detachment from reality that occurs all the time on this page, I guess. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 05:28, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks well referenced, notability supported through references.yorkshiresky (talk) 07:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
(Action needed) 2024 Mozambican general election
Blurb: Daniel Chapo is announced as the winner of the 2024 Mozambican presidential election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Daniel Chapo is announced the President-elect of Mozambique following deadly protests against his party due to voter fraud during the 2024 Mozambican presidential election.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:
- Created and nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)
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First time making a blurb nomination (actually, I think there was one other time previously). Hope I'm doing this right. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:09, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the nomination, but this has to wait the whole election is a bit of a mess with two people claiming to be winner. Once this is cleared up I'd support it's inclusion. Scuba 16:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I'm confused: is this a general or presidential election? Also surely ITN/R and if not why not? Abcmaxx (talk) 16:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- There's a parliamentary election and a presidential election held concurrently (thus 'general election') – not sure if parliamentary results are to be included or just presidential? I added that its ITN/R. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:42, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't these be two separate articles then or is it just one vote which decides both? Abcmaxx (talk) 18:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- From what I have seen, the standard practice is that there always exists a "general election" page that consolidates the overview in cases where a nation has multiple elections at once. If there are enough active editors, those articles are then spun off into separate pages. It depends from place to place, typically with countries having higher user traffic getting those spun off articles more often. At the end of the day though, it is arbitrary. TLDR, no, the general election page is standard practice, and there is not a single vote that is cast which decides both. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- The article is just very confusing in its current form though, it conflates both elections; yes they were held simultaneously but I would vote for a split. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:39, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- From what I have seen, the standard practice is that there always exists a "general election" page that consolidates the overview in cases where a nation has multiple elections at once. If there are enough active editors, those articles are then spun off into separate pages. It depends from place to place, typically with countries having higher user traffic getting those spun off articles more often. At the end of the day though, it is arbitrary. TLDR, no, the general election page is standard practice, and there is not a single vote that is cast which decides both. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't these be two separate articles then or is it just one vote which decides both? Abcmaxx (talk) 18:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- There's a parliamentary election and a presidential election held concurrently (thus 'general election') – not sure if parliamentary results are to be included or just presidential? I added that its ITN/R. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:42, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality but support in principle as ITN-R This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:58, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Not ready. The article is in a poor shape. It shouldn't be split (as suggested above), but it should do a much better job of explaining that there were separate elections for the president and parliament held on the same day. The lead is woefully inadequate, and the results tables are empty. The 'aftermath' section is longer than the rest of the article, which is a problem for WP:PROPORTION. Needs work before it could be posted. Modest Genius talk 18:12, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I was only suggesting a split due to the disconnect and conflation of the two in the article. However looking at the 2019 Mozambican general election this article should follow the same format. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Most countries with presidential systems have synchronized elections, are all positions are voted upon on a single day. Some countries which have deeper coverages of individual elections do get separate election articles but for most it's just on one article such as this one. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:51, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- I was only suggesting a split due to the disconnect and conflation of the two in the article. However looking at the 2019 Mozambican general election this article should follow the same format. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:25, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ready with Alt results are in, we might be making another post about Mozambique in the near future if the protests continue to be deadly and continue to escalate. Scuba 14:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Gary Indiana
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Artnews
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
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American writer and art critic. Thriley (talk) 15:57, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Article appears well sourced. TNM202 (talk) 06:27, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Article is in good shape. Sources are clear, and I would say that this article meets the minimum standards for a credible BLP that deserves to be posted as an RD. - Trauma Novitiate (talk) 11:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 07:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Ron Ely
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Fyunck(click) (talk · give credit) and Jkaharper (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: He died in September but the death has only just been announced. He was a famous Tarzan on TV back in the day and was engaging as Doc Savage too. As a famous face, he's another good picture candidate. ITN has been showing Sinwar's picture for a week now and so a change is overdue. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:51, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
We could just picture Moldova. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC) Too late, we're now picturing a guy I'm betting nobody here saw before. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:48, 25 October 2024 (UTC)- Yes, just about nobody was reading about him. Even Grizzly 399 has a bigger readership. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- notability ≠ popularity _-_Alsor (talk) 14:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Gustavo has been found lacking in both and so has been pulled. We're back to Sinwar for a second week and this is not progress. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Update:
We now feature six all-new, never-before-seen Turkish turnstiles, captured (alongside potentially discernible humanoid figures) in glorious 640x524! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:52, 25 October 2024 (UTC)Partly cloudy, 800x600. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Update:
- Gustavo has been found lacking in both and so has been pulled. We're back to Sinwar for a second week and this is not progress. Andrew🐉(talk) 19:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- notability ≠ popularity _-_Alsor (talk) 14:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, just about nobody was reading about him. Even Grizzly 399 has a bigger readership. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose blurb: Seems well written and well sourced (except a few in the career section). However theres nothing in the article that indicates he was transformative in his field, no major awards mentioned in it or evidence of worldwide impact as Dame Maggie Smith had. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 11:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Strong oppose blurb good lord, one of these days we have to sort out some meaningful criteria for RDB. OLDMANDIES. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Reminder A Photo RD is not a blurb. It uses just three words (first name, last name, "pictured") in the usual place. Like a Usual RD, it cannot last very long. InedibleHulk (talk) 04:38, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Reminder there is no consensus for photo RDs, get that first before you go on. Stephen 06:35, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Well, Yeah, I'm talking "in theory" here. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Reminder there is no consensus for photo RDs, get that first before you go on. Stephen 06:35, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support RD, oppose picture as he isn't important enough to warrant that, and there is no precedent for featuring the picture in this way. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I count six "citation needed" tags and there's an orange tag, too. Before that's addressed, this is going nowhere. Schwede66 07:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- On significance, oppose blurb, which consensus holds is the only method by which someone's RD can be pictured on the Main Page. Attempts to have photo RDs in the past have unilaterally ended up being reverted. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
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RD: Leon Cooper
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:E011:5438:975C:9F4D (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Painting17 (talk · give credit)
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240F:7A:6253:1:E011:5438:975C:9F4D (talk) 03:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Needs more sources. Schwede66 07:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Jack Jones
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6], [7]
Credits:
- Nominated by Happily888 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Deathisallaroundus (talk · give credit), Entertainment Buff (talk · give credit) and Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)
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Happily888 (talk) 02:54, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality several CN tags are present. INeedSupport :3 03:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Grizzly 399
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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American grizzly bear. Thriley (talk) 05:59, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support It's surprising that she didn't get a personal name but the number will make the article stand out at RD. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:04, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Article has tense problems (still mostly in present tense). --Masem (t) 12:35, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Tried to clean up much of these issues. Natg 19 (talk) 00:02, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support sure, I guess This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:01, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 04:37, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Geoff Capes
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sky News, BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Stephen (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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British shot putter Stephen 18:05, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose for now - too much unsupported info. - SchroCat (talk) 18:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Blurb/picture As World's Strongest Man more than once, he was top of his field and quite famous in his day. His face was quite familiar and we have a recognisable picture of it while the current top blurb about Moldova doesn't have a picture. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:53, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality, too much unsourced, Oppose blurb, simply being a household name is not sufficient weight, there should be clear indication of what impact or legacy he had on the future of the sport. Masem (t) 19:23, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose blurb not a household name. Even if he was, not a serving head of state/gov. OLDMANDIES. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:59, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
RD: Shamshad Abdullaev
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Radio Liberty
Credits:
- Nominated by Trepang2 (talk · give credit)
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A renowned Uzbek Russian-language poet, leader of the Fergana poetic school. The article looks OK. Trepang2 (talk) 17:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Unreferenced paragraphs. Stephen 12:11, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) 2024 Turkish Aerospace Industries headquarters attack
Blurb: Following a terrorist attack by the Kurdistan Workers' Party that killed 7 people, Turkey conducts airstrikes in Syria and Iraq that kill at least 12 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: A Kurdistan Workers' Party attack on the Turkish Aerospace Industries headquarters in Ankara, Turkey, kills 7 people.
News source(s): CNN, The Guardian
Credits:
- Nominated by Bakhos2010 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
If the casualties from the terrorist attack was low for several days, it should be closed from this nomination. So, we'll wait for a while. Bakhos2010 (talk) 15:14, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Article seems to be a duplicate of 2024 Turkish Aerospace Industries headquarters attack RachelTensions (talk) 15:21, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Clearly only one is f these pages is needed, and the target article here can be updated. — Masem (t) 16:44, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support issues look to be resolved now, major incident with worldwide coverage. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:58, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support, with different blurb - Major attack with significant news coverage, but the blurb provided is both in the past tense and features no links. Maybe this would be better: A terrorist attack on the headquarters of Turkish Aerospace Industries leaves seven people dead and 22 injured. Poxy4 (talk) 12:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Changed the blurb Bakhos2010 (talk) 13:50, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 16:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've edited the blurb so that it complies with MOS:NUMNOTES (i.e. we don't mix numbers and numerals). Schwede66 04:34, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support PKK claims responsibility so there is no speculation there. Shadow4dark (talk) 10:39, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Turkey has killed at least 12 civilians in retaliatory airstrikes [8]. If this is posted, it should be with a blurb that mentions the deaths on both sides, not only those caused by the PKK.
Altblurb added.Struck because it's now the main blurb. Modest Genius talk 11:47, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think that blurb is better, so I've changed it and marked this nomination as ready. Poxy4 (talk) 13:05, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I've tweaked it again now the article says the PKK claimed responsibility, though I'm unsure about the reliability of the reference it cites. Modest Genius talk 18:06, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think that blurb is better, so I've changed it and marked this nomination as ready. Poxy4 (talk) 13:05, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Proposed an altblurb now that the PKK has claimed responsibility. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:48, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 19:20, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
(Posted) Tropical Storm Trami
Blurb: Tropical Storm Trami (pictured) kills at least 115 people in the Philippines. (Post)
News source(s): ABC
Credits:
- Nominated by HurricaneEdgar (talk · give credit)
HurricaneEdgar 09:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Wait unti it dissipates. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 10:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC)Support, quality of the article is good. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 07:17, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think this is a Bad Plan. Stories like these have a tendency to evaporate from the news cycle very quickly, and if the quality update exists now, waiting until the storm ceases to exist would essentially lead to us posting a stale item. If the article is ready, we ought to post at the peak of an item's newsworthiness, not after the denouement. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Everything looks good here. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:54, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support quality is there, has made impact with landfall, there's no need to wait after that point. Masem (t) 14:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Weak supportCasualties are a little bit low, but nevertheless Trami was very impactful. Article looks good in my opinion. INeedSupport :3 14:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)Casualties are a little bit low
there has got to be a better way to word this RachelTensions (talk) 14:45, 23 October 2024 (UTC)- Perhaps. I was trying to see that the amount of deaths and injuries are slightly lower than events that were posted in ITN before. Since then the amount of deaths is now quite significant. INeedSupport :3 03:56, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Changing to Strong Support for the high death toll. For a tropical storm, 80+ deaths is very significant. Article has high quality. INeedSupport :3 16:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Question the lead sentence suggests that this storm is known as "Severe Tropical Storm Kristine" in the Philippines. Should the blurb refer to it as "Kristine" here because we're specifically talking about its effects on the Philippines? What's the status quo here? RachelTensions (talk) 15:26, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- "Kristine" was the local name for the storm in the Philippines, but it was referred to internationally as "Trami," a name given by the JMA, which PAGASA also recognized. International media refer to the storm as Trami. HurricaneEdgar 15:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per WaltCip and Masem FlipandFlopped ツ 16:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Support: Quite a lot of casualties. Should post now. Elios Peredhel (talk) 23:23, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support it's a storm that has already made landfall. It is notable enough for it to be posted. Rager7 (talk) 02:45, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose low casualties, low damage ($200K USD). Stephen 03:27, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - this isn't even at hurricane strength. The infrastructure in the Philippines is such that a storm that doesn't kill people in advanced nations will cause deaths there. We don't need to put every moderate storm with heavy rainfall in ITN. Nfitz (talk) 04:11, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support as this is already a significantly impactful storm in the Philippines, causing widespread and potentially damaging flooding and, unfortunately, many casualties. ArkHyena (it/its) 06:52, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per the cited Reuters report which states, "The Philippines typically records an average of 20 tropical storms annually, often resulting in heavy rains, strong winds, and deadly landslides." So, this is ordinary weather for this region and just a WP:NEWSEVENT. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:51, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Per Nfitz et al, this simply isn't out of the ordinary in the area, and the death toll, whilst obviously tragic, is not exceptional. Black Kite (talk) 18:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, but leaning towards support. I think we should wait for further reports before this can be blurbed; but as the weather in the Philippines becomes clearer, the scale of Trami's destruction is beginning to be more extensively known. That said, if Nalgae in 2022 – a similar storm which also caused widespread flooding in the Philippines – was blurbed, then Trami in 2024 should be too (although Nalgae did eventually peak as a Category 1 on JTWC). Vida0007 (talk) 02:59, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wait but support at a later date per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Strong support 40 people dead by this and still not posted? Milton also did not leave this much people dead, but was posted. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 05:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support At least 46 deaths are enough deaths for a blurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:22, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Now up to 82 deaths and continuing to rise, which is a lot even for a typhoon - currently the second most deadly of 2024. The article is substantial and well-referenced. Modest Genius talk 11:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Good amount of deaths, but unknown damage. Flooding pictures/footage coming out of the area looks bad. Wildfireupdateman (talk) 17:19, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- LARGE AMOUNT NOT GOOD AMOUNT I DONT MEAN IT LIKE THAT Wildfireupdateman (talk) 18:57, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Good job clarifying 😂 –DMartin 17:48, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- LARGE AMOUNT NOT GOOD AMOUNT I DONT MEAN IT LIKE THAT Wildfireupdateman (talk) 18:57, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- 'Posted. SpencerT•C 15:27, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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