Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates

This page provides a forum for editors to suggest items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page, as well as the forum for discussion of candidates. This is not the page to report errors in the ITN section on the Main Page—please go to the appropriate section at WP:ERRORS. Archives of past nominations can be found here.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. Under each daily section header below is the transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day (with a light green header). Each day's portal page is followed by a subsection for suggestions and discussion.

A blurb is a one sentence summary of the news story. An alternate suggestion for the blurb is called an altblurb, and any more suggestions get labelled alt1, alt2, etc. A blurb needs at least one target article, highlighted in bold; reviewers check the quality of that article and whether it is updated, and whether reliable sources demonstrate the significance of the event. Other articles can also be linked. The Ongoing line is for regularly updated articles which cover events that remain in the news over a longer period of time. RD stands for the "recent deaths" line, and can include any living thing whose death was recently announced. In some cases, recent deaths may need additional explanation as provided by a blurb; this is decided by consensus.

OSIRIS-REx capsule The OSIRIS-REx spacecraft mission returns samples of asteroid Bennu to Earth (return capsule pictured). Tigist Assefa breaks the women's world record at the Berlin Marathon. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Poland is accused of involvement in a cash-for-visa corruption scandal. The oldest known wooden structure, estimated to be at least 476,000 years old, predating Homo sapiens, is discovered at the Kalambo Falls. Ongoing: Nigerien crisis Russian invasion of Ukraine timeline Sudan war Recent deaths: Constance Clayton JoAnne A. Epps Stephen Gould Horace Ové Brereton C. Jones Lionel Morgan view — page history — related changes — edit

How to nominate an item In order to suggest a candidate: Update an article to be linked to from the blurb to include the recent developments, or find an article that has already been updated. Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates. These are automatically generated (at midnight UTC) by a bot; creating them manually breaks this process. Nominate the blurb for ITN inclusion under the "Suggestions" subheading for the date, emboldening the link in the blurb to the updated article. Use a level 4 header (====) when doing so. Preferably use the template {{ITN candidate}} to nominate the article related to the event in the news. Make sure that you include a reference from a verifiable, reliable secondary source. Press releases are not acceptable. The suggested blurb should be written in simple present tense. Adding an explanation why the event should be posted greatly increases the odds of posting. Please consider alerting editors to the nomination by adding the template {{ITN note}} to the corresponding article's talk page. There are criteria which guide the decision on whether or not to put a particular item on In the news, based largely on the extensiveness of the updated content and the perceived significance of the recent developments. These are listed at WP:ITN. Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:In the news will not be placed onto the live template. Headers Items that have been posted or pulled from the main page are generally marked with (Posted) or (Pulled) in the item's subject so it is clear they are no longer active. Items can also be marked as (Ready) when the article is both updated and there seems to be a consensus to post. The posting admin, however, should always judge the update and the consensus to post themselves. If you find an entry that you don't feel is ready to post is marked (Ready), you should remove the mark in the header. Voicing an opinion on an item Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated. Please do... Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten. Review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. Maybe the previous reviewer has missed a problem, or an identified problem has now been fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes may also help administrators identify items that are ready for promotion to the ITN template on MainPage. Point out problematic areas in the nominated article and, if appropriate, suggest how to fix them. If you know exactly what to do, by all means, go ahead and fix it as you see fit. Please do not... Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. Instead, explain the reasons why you think the item meets or does not meet the ITN inclusion criteria so a consensus can be reached. Oppose an item solely because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is generally unproductive. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). Conflicts of interest are not handled at ITN. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s). Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. The criteria can be discussed at the relevant talk page. Use the discussion section of an item as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome of a nomination and are potentially disruptive. Suggesting updates A posted ITNC item that needs correcting can be addressed in two ways: Simple updates, such as updated death tolls in a disaster, linking issues, spelling or grammar corrections, or otherwise anything that does not change the intent of the blurb should be discussed at WP:ERRORS in the ITN section. More complex updates that involve a major change in the blurb's intent should be discussed as part of the current ITNC nomination.

September 26

Portal:Current events/2023 September 26

September 26, 2023 (2023-09-26) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Eastern Syria Insurgency Deir ez-Zor clashes (2023) 21 gunmen, 4 SDF members, and a civilian are killed following resumed clashes in Deir ez-Zor. (SOHR) Law and crime 2020–2021 Thai protests Thai pro-democracy activist Arnon Nampa, who led the protests, is sentenced to four years in prison on a charge of royal insult. (Time) Politics and elections Victoria State Government Daniel Andrews announces his resignation as Premier of Victoria after nine years in the role. (The Guardian)

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September 25

Portal:Current events/2023 September 25

September 25, 2023 (2023-09-25) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2022–present North Kosovo crisis Banjska attack Kosovo Police enter the village of Banjska, North Kosovo, with armored vehicles, a day after the village was attacked by gunmen. (Reuters) Aftermath of the 2023 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes The number of refugees that have fled to Armenia from Artsakh increases to 6,500, while a further 700 are sheltering with Russian peacekeepers.(AP) Russian invasion of Ukraine Military aid to Ukraine Ukraine receives its first shipment of M1 Abrams tanks from the United States. (RFE/RL) Yemeni civil war Houthi–Saudi Arabian conflict An ambush by Houthi insurgents kills two Bahraini soldiers, including an officer, and injures several others. (AP) Disasters and accidents Twenty people are killed and 290 others are injured by an explosion at a fuel warehouse near Stepanakert, Artsakh. (The Guardian) Six people are killed and 13 others are missing following heavy rains and a landslide in Guatemala City, Guatemala. (AFP via GMA News) Flooding in Autlán de Navarro, Jalisco, Mexico, kills seven people and leaves nine others missing. (AP) Five people are killed when two private planes collide in La Galancita, Durango, Mexico. (AP) International relations Territorial disputes in the South China Sea The Philippine Coast Guard removes a series of buoys installed by China in the contested Scarborough Shoal in the South China Sea under orders of President Bongbong Marcos. (BBC News) Law and crime Aftermath of the Derna dam collapses The mayor of Derna, Abdelmounem al-Ghaithi, and several other officials are detained over mismanagement and negligence accusations following the Derna dam collapse which killed over 5,000 people. (Reuters) Burkina Faso suspends Jeune Afrique from reporting in the country after the release of a report claiming tension and discontent within the Burkinabe Armed Forces. (Reuters)

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RD: David McCallum

Article: David McCallum (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-26/david-mccallum-actor-dies-90s-cbs-ncis/102900304
Credits:

• Nominated by HiLo48 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Scottish actor well known for The Man from U.N.C.L.E. and NCIS. HiLo48 (talk) 00:16, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

• Not Ready for the usual reason. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:14, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
• Moot The article looks fine, has had over 150,000 readers already on the news and I expect more today. RD is irrelevant and insignificant in such circumstances. Note that the other Man from UNCLE, Robert Vaughn, was snubbed by ITN and his views are naturally spiking again regardless. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:50, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Burkey Belser

Article: Burkey Belser (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit) and Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Designer of the Nutrition facts label Thriley (talk) 00:12, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - Article is significantly lacking citations ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 13:11, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I worked on the article and added citations from the WaPo obit, but there are still some sourcing issues.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 14:23, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) North Kosovo crisis

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Article: 2022–present North Kosovo crisis (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian (1), The Guardian (2), UPI via MSN, Channel News Asia (Singapore)
Credits:

• Nominated by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: With the recent Banjska attack this is all over the global news and frequently too, ongoing crisis that has significantly escalated recently Abcmaxx (talk) 10:34, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Support, while individual updates don't meet the ITN notability threshold, the sustained crisis absolutely does since the recent escalation. Chaotic Enby (talk) 10:55, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose - If the Banjska attack is notable enough then it should be nominated for a blurb rather than ongoing. The article is not receiving frequent updates (before the attack the last new update was on the 31st of July), and it is far too soon to tell if this will be an event worthy of ongoing. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 11:21, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Judgement tells me that a crisis going on since 2022 and not previously in Ongoing shouldn't be added after all this time now. Gotitbro (talk) 12:02, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Frequent Updates is required, and this was not at all frequentky updated before the attack. Also, the crisis has been ongoing since a year ago, and if so, it shouldn't suddenly be Ongoing just because of a attack. Editor 5426387 (talk) 13:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

  True, it could be a better idea to have the attack itself (including its related developments) as a blurb maybe? If so then I'll retract my vote. Chaotic Enby (talk) 17:11, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose posting this to ongoing The 2022–present North Kosovo crisis article hasn’t had enough updates to warrant being posted to ongoing. However, the Banjska attack article may merit a blurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 18:54, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose per above. Banjska attack might be notable enough for a blurb, but this article isn't getting the updates needed for ongoing. The Kip 19:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

September 24

Portal:Current events/2023 September 24

September 24, 2023 (2023-09-24) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks 2022–present North Kosovo crisis Banjska attack One Kosovo Police officer is killed and another is injured during an ambush on their patrol in North Kosovo, near the border with Serbia, after around 30 gunmen storm a village. Three of the attackers are later killed in a shootout. (Al Jazeera) 2023 Nigerien crisis French President Emmanuel Macron announces that France will end its military presence in Niger and will remove its ambassador from the country. (AP) Aftermath of the 2023 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes The government of Artsakh says that most of its population will leave following Azerbaijan's takeover of the territory with Armenia confirming that 1,050 refugees from Artsakh have arrived in the country. (Reuters) Assassination and terrorism in Iran, War against the Islamic State Authorities in Iran disarm 30 explosive devices that were set to detonate simultaneously in Tehran and arrest 28 people linked to the Islamic State. (Al Arabiya) Israeli–Palestinian conflict Two Palestinians are killed when Israeli soldiers storm a refugee camp in Tulkarem, in the occupied West Bank. (Al Jazeera) Arts and culture 2023 Hollywood labor disputes 2023 Writers Guild of America strike The Writers Guild of America and Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers reach a tentative agreement to possibly end the strike that began on May 2. (CNN) Business and economy Economy of Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia announces that its gross domestic product has surpassed $1 trillion. (Al Arabiya) Disasters and accidents Sixteen people are killed by a fire at a coal mine in Panzhou, Guizhou, China. (AFP via CNA) Six people are killed when a train collides with a car in Hillsborough County, Florida, United States. (NBC News) One person is killed and ten others are injured after a tourist van fell into a gorge in Balik Pulau, Penang, Malaysia. (CNA) International relations President of France Emmanuel Macron announces a $150 million commitment to the International Fund for Agricultural Development during the Global Citizen Festival in New York City's Central Park. (The Local) Canadian Speaker of the House Anthony Rota apologizes for inviting Yaroslav Hunka to Parliament during a visit by Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy after it was revealed that he had fought for the Galicia Division under Nazi command. (BBC) Law and crime The Cuban Embassy in Washington, D.C. is attacked with a Molotov cocktail. (Reuters) Science and technology NASA's OSIRIS-REx capsule containing samples from the asteroid 101955 Bennu successfully lands back on Earth. (NYTimes) Sports 2023 Berlin Marathon Tigist Assefa breaks the women's marathon world record. (The Guardian) 2023 Formula One World Championship In auto racing, Red Bull wins their sixth World Constructors' Championship after Max Verstappen wins the Japanese Grand Prix. (Reuters)

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Banjska attack

Article: Banjska attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Kosovo, one police officer and at least four militants are killed after an attack and siege in the village of Banjska. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by The Kip (talk · give credit)
• Created by Based.shqiptar.frompirok (talk · give credit)
• Updated by BalkanianActuality (talk · give credit), Borgenland (talk · give credit), GermanManFromFrankfurt (talk · give credit), Идеологист (talk · give credit) and Nizyos (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Going off suggestions from the above ongoing nom and nominating this for a blurb. Notable escalation of the crisis, Reuters describes it as a siege while other sources use "standoff" or similar. Image is of the Banjska Monastery, where the militants barricaded themselves. Open to modifications to the blurb. The Kip 19:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

• Wait. Would be nice to wait on conformation on the casualty numbers, and subsequent events will really reveal if this is a "notable escalation" or more of a small flare-up. DarkSide830 (talk) 20:41, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Wait - Per @DarkSide830 PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:22, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Matteo Messina Denaro

Article: Matteo Messina Denaro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A decent amount of sourcing work is needed, and there are a few redlinks that might need to be removed. Mooonswimmer 12:39, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Tigist Assefa

Article: Tigist Assefa (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tigist Assefa (pictured) breaks the women's marathon world record at the 2023 Berlin Marathon. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Funcrunch (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Precedent: Previous record-breaker in this category was posted at ITN. Funcrunch (talk) 18:29, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support but I think editors should seek improvements here, namely on her personal life (pre-career stuff). Breaking these marathon records is not frequent (the last was 2019) so this seems right to include. Masem (t) 21:43, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Support, not everyday we see such a record! Chaotic Enby (talk) 14:02, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support per precedent ✈ mike_gigs ^talk_contribs 14:51, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 09:17, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

September 23

Portal:Current events/2023 September 23

September 23, 2023 (2023-09-23) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israeli–Lebanese conflict UNIFIL intervenes to prevent a confrontation between the Lebanese Army and the Israeli Army near the Shebaa Farms. (The Jerusalem Post) Somali Civil War 2023 Beledweyne bombing At least 20 people are killed in a suicide car bombing at a checkpoint in Beledweyne, Hiran, Somalia. (Xinhua) Disasters and accidents 2023 Atlantic hurricane season Tropical Storm Ophelia makes landfall near Emerald Isle, North Carolina, United States. (CNN) At least 35 people are killed and 12 are seriously injured by an explosion at an illegal fuel depot in Sèmè-Kpodji, Ouémé Department, Benin. (Al Jazeera)

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RD: François Glorieux

Article: François Glorieux (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Brussels Times
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Created by Jmanlucas (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Musical multi-talent from Belgium, pianist, composer, conductor of an American band and a British symphony orchestra (among others), founder of four ensembles, teacher in many aspects, arranger for Michael Jackson, - all this and more, and had no article! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Terry Kirkman

Article: Terry Kirkman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://variety.com/2023/music/news/terry-kirkman-dead-the-association-1235733822/
Credits:

• Nominated by Tdl1060 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American musician and songwriter best known as a vocalist for the pop group the Association. Article is in pretty good shape but needs a few sources --Tdl1060 (talk) 00:54, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

• The Discography and Nominations sections need more sourcing. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 13:00, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

The article probably shouldn't have the full discography given that it's the band's discography (not solo) and is covered in that article. We don't usually include entire band discographies in individual band members' articles. The singles discography should definitely be removed as it's unsourced and because Kirkman wasn't in the band for some of the mid-70s singles. freshacconci (✉) 13:32, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) OSIRIS-REx

Article: OSIRIS-REx (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ OSIRIS-REx's capsule (pictured) containing samples from the asteroid 101955 Bennu successfully lands back on Earth. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ the OSIRIS-REx spacecraft mission (capsule pictured) successfully returns samples of asteroid Bennu to Earth.
Alternative blurb II: ​ NASA's OSIRIS-REx's capsule (pictured) containing samples from the asteroid 101955 Bennu successfully lands back on Earth.
News source(s): Space.com, NYTimes
Credits:

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)

Article updated

 Masem (t) 15:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Support - Massive achievement, successful conclusion of a 7 year mission PrecariousWorlds (talk) 16:58, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support on notability Significant successful mission of encyclopedic interest. Also considering we posted the launch, arrival at the asteroid and sample collection at the asteroid to ITN, it seems only natural we post the conclusion of it returning. The article does have quite a few cn tags and some unsourced info though. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 17:24, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above. Easily notable scientific accomplishment. The Kip 17:25, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Support Extremely notable accomplishment, with many scientific prospects. Chaotic Enby (talk) 18:19, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Seeing a lot of coverage of this. Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:24, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Per most of the above. Successful achievement (Mission accomplished) and very notable. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 01:22, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
• There are still some unreferenced paragraphs and the capsule retrieval is referred to in the future tense. Stephen 01:33, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support when ready. A huge first! Nfitz (talk) 03:30, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posting. Nice work. Please update the image since the Latvian PM blurb has rolled off. --Tone 06:49, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Nic Kerdiles

Article: Nic Kerdiles (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/former-anaheim-ducks-forward-nicolas-kerdiles-dies-at-age-29-1.2011620
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by 2604:3D08:4F78:D600:4168:7232:F4F9:93CF (talk · give credit) and GhostRiver (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Hockey player. Article is almost ready. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:27, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support, article looks good to go now after fixing a CN tag. Kline • let me clear my throat! • contribs 17:11, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Looks good. Terrible loss for the hockey community. Don't ride motorcycles - it isn't worth it. DarkSide830 (talk) 20:46, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
• The stats table at the bottom (which needs a source) indicates that the subject has represented his country internationally, but his achievements are not mentioned in the prose. His getting drafted by the NHL in 2012 should be in the main prose, too, with refs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:59, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

September 22

Portal:Current events/2023 September 22

September 22, 2023 (2023-09-22) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Crimea attacks 2023 missile strike on the Sevastopol Naval Base The headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol, Crimea, is hit in a Ukrainian missile attack, killing at least one person and causing a fire in the building. (Al Jazeera) Business and economy 2023 United Auto Workers strike In the United States, United Auto Workers president Shawn Fain announces that the union will expand their strikes to 38 locations. (CNBC) Disasters and accidents Six people are killed, more than 100 others are injured, and three are missing after a fire and subsequent explosions at a golf ball factory in Pingtung County, Taiwan. (ABC News Australia) One person is killed and four others are injured after an incident at an oil refinery in Bandar Abbas, Hormozgan province, Iran. (Reuters via The New Arab) The Taal Volcano in Batangas, Philippines, releases elevated levels of sulfur dioxide and vog, resulting in school closures, including in Metro Manila. Residents in affected areas are asked to avoid outdoor activities. (Reuters) International relations China–Syria relations Syrian President Bashar al-Assad meets with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Hangzhou, China, and signs a strategic partnership on infrastructure as part of China's Belt and Road Initiative. (Xinhua) (AP) Law and crime U.S. Senator Bob Menendez and his wife Nadina are indicted on federal corruption charges for allegedly accepting bribes to provide sensitive information to the government of Egypt. (NPR) Turkey–Islamic State conflict Turkish police announce that they have detained 10 people with links to the Islamic State in Izmir after intelligence revealed hidden explosives manufacturing supplies. (Asharq Al-Awsat)

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RD: Dieter Schneider

Article: Dieter Schneider (lyricist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.radioeins.com/liedtexter-dieter-schneider-gestorben-14196129/
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German lyricist. Article looks alright. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:23, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Mike Henderson

Article: Mike Henderson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-country/mike-henderson-steeldrivers-dead-obit-1234830058/
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Doc Strange (talk · give credit) and Parisjaponica (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Singer-songwriter. Discography needs some citation but everything else looks fine. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:20, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Blurb/RD: Giorgio Napolitano

Article: Giorgio Napolitano (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Italian president Giorgio Napolitano dies at the age of 98 (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press, NY Times, Reuters
Credits:

• Nominated by Kacamata (talk · give credit)
• Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit) and Davide King (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Italian politician who served as the president of Italy from 2006 to 2015. The article is in decent shape --Kacamata! ^Dimmi!!! 19:19, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• support, the event is all over the news and the article is in good shape, also this should be a blurb in my opinion.

4me689 (talk) 19:34, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The article has quite a lot of unsourced info. Sourcing needs some work. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:40, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Article needs some fixing up ref wise. Once article is in top shape, I'll support a blurb. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:51, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb in principle Napolitano was one of the most significant and transformative figures in Europe for much of the last two decades, very similar to Berlusconi. Once the article's sourcing issues are fixed up, I would certainly support a blurb. Curbon7 (talk) 20:09, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose blurb, support RD - Presidents in Italy are largely ceremonial, so less notability than if this was a Prime Minister (for example, a lot more people know who Georgia Meloni is rather than Sergio Mattarella). I also don't think we should automatically blurb the deaths of former heads of state. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:05, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

PrecariousWorlds, You are correct that the role of president is typically ceremonial, but did you read this particular article? It clearly states Napolitano [...] transformed a largely ceremonial role into a political and executive one, becoming during the years of his tenure the real kingmaker of Italian politics. Curbon7 (talk) 20:11, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

That [...] states that he was 'often accused by his critics'. While he did increase the authority and control of the President in Italian politics, what you're referring to was simply an opinion rather than a fact, and for a large part of his term the prime minister had more influence and control over Italy. Even so, I still don't think the death of a former head of state should automatically be rewarded a blurb unless their death was extraordinarily notable (Elizabeth II) or marked the symbolic end of a historical era (Constantine II of Greece). PrecariousWorlds (talk) 08:33, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Napolitano served as a president of Italy for nearly 10 years, and had a huge influence in European politics. most non-royal heads of state/government usually don't serve more than five years. 4me689 (talk) 20:53, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support blurb as Napolitano's influence in politics was much above that of the average Italian president, making this blurb-notable in my opinion. Chaotic Enby (talk) 20:44, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Oppose blurb, changing as the level of subsequent coverage doesn't really justify a blurb, despite his influence. Chaotic Enby (talk) 14:04, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Article does not clearly establish what type of influence or legacy he had over Italian politics. We can't have a blurb without some clear sources along this line. And obviously, far too many CNs to consider even RD posting. --Masem (t) 20:52, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

  I will stress: there are only two lines that speak to his possible influence, and they are in the lede. This should be an entire section if we are going to post a blurb. Masem (t) 21:48, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Napolitano is easily a big enough name to receive a blurb on the news page. TheCorrectPanda (talk) 21:06, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD and Blurb Probably the most famous person in modern Italian politics. Satisfies notability requirements for blurb.Pyramids09 (talk) 21:19, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

I’m not opposed, but I’d say Berlusconi was at least a little more well-known. The Kip 21:39, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

I'd say Berlusconi was vastly more well-known. Nigej (talk) 05:37, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Ditto regarding the two replies above. TheCorrectPanda (talk) 16:22, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support blurb Influential political figure for an extended period of time, especially compared to the average President of Italy. The Kip 21:39, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I am going to defer to the judgment of my fellow editors with regards to a significance elevated beyond that of a ceremonial president (though I do hope we do not repeat the error like that of the recent Singaporean presidential posting). Gotitbro (talk) 21:48, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb per above. Davey2116 (talk) 03:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb—Per Curbon7 et al. Haven't checked the article's quality, so I'll defer to the judgment of my fellow ITN regulars on that criterion. Kurtis ^(talk) 05:59, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb Obviously huge politician. A communist who became a president of a neoliberal "democracy". Daikido (talk) 06:00, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose blurb, support RD - Honestly I'm not seeing the level of coverage that would made me think this is blurb-worthy. Nigej (talk) 06:13, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Can you clarify what you would consider an adequate level of coverage? I see plenty of front-page coverage in major global news. Curbon7 (talk) 06:19, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

eg the BBC. World section - not there. Europe section - not there. "Old man dies" sort of story to me. Very suitable for RD. Nigej (talk) 06:42, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

• I haven't gone through the prose yet, but I can see a couple of {cn} tags already, and the "After the Italian Communist Party" section has an orange {refimprove} tag, and the "Election" section has an orange {sources} tag. The "Electoral history" section carries zero footnotes. Most of the bullet-points under "Honours" are also unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 06:30, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb as this doesn't seem to be big news. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:34, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

  How so?

  See The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/22/giorgio-napolitano-ex-communist-who-became-president-of-italy-dies-aged-98 Kirill C1 (talk) 10:55, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

  That's just a wire story with some conventional history and condolences with no sense that it's big news of any kind. The big stories yesterday seem to have been the Bob Menendez bribery scandal and Rupert Murdoch's retirement. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:45, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

  I agree with Andrew. It's not the biggest story of yesterday or today. Nigej (talk) 13:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

  It doesn't influence the posting of this blurb. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:31, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Support blurb. He was key in not letting Berlisconi become prime minister. In Italy, when you routinely see Prime Ministers who weren't elected by people, who weren't any party leaders during election campaign (see Matteo Renzi, Mario Draghi), the role of president is important, because he designates new Prime Minister. Kirill C1 (talk) 08:22, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment As long as the article is missing several references, it is not appropriate either for a blurb or for RD. Otherwise, it seem that the consensus is moving toward a blurb. Fix the references first, please. --Tone 09:15, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

  !voters here are hand-waving on importance. As I've pointed out, I only see two sentences, both in the lede, that attempt to explain why he had a influence on later politics of Italy. There needs to be more about this in the article, not just asserted in !votes, before we can make a blurb. Masem (t) 13:21, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb because the story isn't big enough to justify one. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:53, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb as long, of course, as we have filled our daily quota of minor Indonesian politicians. complainer 17:46, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb never heard of him before now. Fdfexoex (talk) 17:50, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb on quality support once improved. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:59, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb Nowhere near the level of name recognition as Berlusconi. Not receiving the kind of coverage outside of routine reports that would demand a blurb.Pawnkingthree (talk) 18:06, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD, Oppose Blurb on quality The article should be either close enough for RD, or just RD only. Blurb is not likely, but if article is brought to top shape, then may accept changing to support blurb. TheCorriynial (talk) 02:14, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD Article is cited well enough for RD, and article seems to be in good quality, Neutral about blurbs. Editor 5426387 (talk) 02:40, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support RD/Neutral on blurb I've long held that death blurb should be reserved for particularly notable heads of state/government; Napolitano arguably meets this, but quality concerns remain This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 06:09, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb on the basis that the death itself is not notable, and we shouldn't discriminate who had a more notable life than another. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

  that someone has a more notable life than someone else is just the discrimination we have to exercise in deciding who has blurb and who has RD. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:38, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

  I suggested on the talk page scrapping RD blurbs altogether unless its linked to a standalone ITN event. Anyone who has a Wikipedia article is notable anyway. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:08, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

  A good idea is to do a RFC on RD blurbs on The talk section of this page, but most ITN topics are based on news coverage not in the notability. 4me689 (talk) 14:50, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

  update, I've opened an RFC On the matter here 4me689 (talk) 15:20, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

• I'm not supporting a blurb, but if one is posted, then the bolded article should be Death and state funeral of Giorgio Napolitano so long as that exists as a non-redirect. —Cryptic 16:12, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
• My judgment is to oppose this blurb, doesn't seem like a blurbable candidate. _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 19:14, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

  Why not, president of Italy and member of government with a long career. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:32, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

• I've started to avoid discussing blurbs on political figures that I know little about, but just having looked through Napolitano's article, I find it hard to despite his impact on Italian and thus global politics. Therefore, I'll put myself down as a support blurb. DarkSide830 (talk) 20:44, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Support blurb - As a former head of state and "dominant figure in Italian politics" (in the words of the article itself) and was the longest serving Italian president. estar8806 (talk) ★ 23:57, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

It says that but doesn't really have a clear place in the article where it explains that. I would not necessarily doubt this claim but if we are going to post this as a blurb, the article should be crystal clear how he was a dominant figure in Italian politics. Masem (t) 12:37, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Bayani Fernando

Article: Bayani Fernando (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/09/22/23/bayani-fernando-passes-away
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by EdrianJustine (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Filipino politician. Article needs work. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:03, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Seems that the issues have been addressed upon checking the article. It looks good to be posted now. Vida0007 (talk) 02:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
• I've added a number of {cn} tags to several sourcing-deficient paragraphs. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 16:40, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Oldest wooden structure

Article: Kalambo structure (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The oldest known wooden structure is discovered at the Kalambo Falls (pictured), predating Homo sapiens. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The oldest known wooden structure, estimated to be at least 476,000 years old, is discovered at the Kalambo Falls (pictured), predating Homo sapiens.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The oldest known wooden structure, estimated to be at least 476,000 years old, predating Homo sapiens and potentially made by Homo heidelbergensis, is discovered at the Kalambo Falls (pictured).
News source(s): BBC, CNN, DW, Guardian, Nature, NYT
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by Chaotic Enby (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Ninafundisha (talk · give credit) and MonarchOfTerror (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: I have myself seen the oldest wooden structure in London – ancient bridge piles at Vauxhall – and they are about 6,500 years old. But this new discovery is so old that it pre-dates our species. The falls are a candidate to become a World Heritage Site and this should help. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:12, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• Potentially of considerable interest, but at the moment the target article only has one sentence about this recent discovery. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 09:49, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

This is a cool science story :) Happy to support, but the update is really thin at this point. Try to expand to a short paragraph or something. Tone 09:53, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tone: I've expanded the update to one paragraph. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 12:26, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Nice. Support from my side now. Will be happy to post if I see more support. As for the DYK, I agree this is also appropriate, we likely won't have a dedicated article which is a prerequisite. Tone 13:34, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose while this is a cool story, this is not ITN-worthy per-se, and would be more of a DYK article. Editor 5426387 (talk) 12:20, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support Extremely significant discovery, first wooden structure predating Homo sapiens itself. Plus, ITN has been very lacking in scientific discoveries recently, compared to the likes of political events. Chaotic Enby (talk) 13:03, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
• Wait Article needs expansion to include more details of the discovery, as of now any reference is difficult to find. Kcmastrpc (talk) 13:22, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Support The new article meets the minimum quality for ITN and additionally, this is a significant discovery that is ITN-worthy. Kcmastrpc (talk)
• Support I'm the one who added the initial sentence about the wooden structures, as an in-class training exercise for my African Archaeology students this semester who are working with the WikiEdu project. Thanks so much to the editors who are now expanding that section!! The structures are an incredible discovery and I would love to see them as an In the News item or as a Did You Know...Ninafundisha (talk) 14:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

  I made it a separate article (Kalambo structure), tell me if it's okay! Chaotic Enby (talk) 17:52, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Many unreferenced sections and sentences in the article. Major ref work needed before this could be debated for posting. Once issues have been fixed, I would support this. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:40, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

  It's now a separate article (Kalambo structure) with added material, which should avoid the issue of unreferenced sections as these aren't the focus of the new article. Chaotic Enby (talk) 18:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality per above. I think having a distinct target article for this structure in question would be worthwhile as well. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:31, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

  Good idea, I could do it! Chaotic Enby (talk) 16:58, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

  Created the article at Kalambo structure! Chaotic Enby (talk) 17:47, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

  Wonderful, thanks! DarkSide830 (talk) 02:32, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support as a significant scientific discovery.

Noah, AA^Talk 16:35, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment—I'm very much inclined to support this, especially considering the fact that this apparently "predates Homo Sapiens". However, the phrase "wooden structure" is somewhat vague, and it's also unclear to me whether or not this structure was constructed by our evolutionary ancestors, of if it's something altogether separate. I think the blurb should expand upon these two points for clarity. Kurtis ^(talk) 17:23, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

  The structure is believed to have been constructed by Homo heidelbergensis, an ancestor of Homo sapiens. Agree that it would be a great idea to mention in the lead that it was built by a pre-sapiens hominin, rather than a natural formation. Chaotic Enby (talk) 17:49, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

  @Kurtis: Is alt2 better? I don't think anything more specific than "wooden structure" can be said as it's apparently hard to tell what it is, we can only tell that it isn't natural. Alt2 is kinda long though. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:24, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

  I am in for alt 2 support. Interesting discovery, away from the usual ITN drab. Gotitbro (talk) 21:51, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

  I think it's a big improvement—I might put the "predating Homo sapiens . . . made by Homo heidelbergensis" in parentheses, but otherwise I'm all for it. :) Kurtis ^(talk) 05:50, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Modified blurbs to reflect new standalone article. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 19:24, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose Cool discovery, but not blurb-notable (per-say).Pyramids09 (talk) 21:20, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support This is cool and it is good to feature African news here. -TenorTwelve (talk) 23:58, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I don't see the need for the separate article at this time. A section in the waterfall article with all the same info would be a sufficient update. This is a problem with these short articles that come about from not following proper NOTNEWS/NEVENT guidance. --Masem (t) 00:07, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support The new article has enough details & references & this is a very notable archaeological discovery. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 02:17, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 03:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
• Not ready I suggest that the target article is not ready. It needs better structure; there's content in the lead that is not in the body. I suggest that the body of the article gets rewritten and once done, a lead gets drafted that summarises the body. When done, this will easily get my support. Schwede66 05:20, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

  Moved most of the lead in the body, adding some amount of new content there as well. Tell me if anything more needs to be done. Chaotic Enby (talk) 15:17, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Not ITN material. As a new article it is eligible for DYK and is better suited there. Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:42, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

  On what basis is a scientific discovery not ITN? People have been talking about finding evidence of non-human settlement for years, though perhaps not in this manner <smileyface>. Nfitz (talk) 16:41, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

  Technically, archaic humans are humans, too. Or maybe not "technically", but according to Wikipedia. Anyway, whoever made this, it's older than this beaver dam (though some beaver lumber predates all us hominids). InedibleHulk (talk) 23:58, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support definitely meets WP:ITNSIGNIF criteria and is well-updated for a recently created article. Happily888 (talk) 14:04, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support. A very interesting discovery. The article's structure also looks better now. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 01:27, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support Notable discovery, article is OK too. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:10, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posting. Very nice work with the article. --Tone 06:46, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Alt image

• Suggest alt image. The paper that published this finding is licensed under CC BY 4.0. I have uploaded one of the images from this paper onto Commons. Since we now have the picture of the wooden structure itself, I think we should replace the waterfall photo with the alt image. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 14:59, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Agree, although it shouldn't matter as it isn't the image being featured on the Main Page. Chaotic Enby (talk) 18:56, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Anthony Rota-Yaroslav Hunka scandal

Article: Anthony Rota (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Canadian House of Commons Speaker Anthony Rota sparks outrage by honoring 14th Waffen SS veteran during visit by President Volodymyr Zelenskyy (Post)
News source(s):
Credits:

• Nominated by Orchastrattor (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Andrew11374265 (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Mass outrage from various groups including calls for Rota's resignation, all in the wake of the Canada-India diplomatic controversy. Orchastrattor (talk) 00:48, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - Good faith nom, but I just don't see the international significance of it. Maybe if it were related to Canada's ongoing diplomatic row with India, but it just seems like two unrelated occurrences that are creating quite the headache for Canada's government. estar8806 (talk) ★ 00:58, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment Yaroslav Hunka got an article out of this deal. It's not pretty, but it's probably not supposed to be. Maybe it can be included. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:00, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

  I was going to but it would either be too long or run into seaofblue, I think the 14th Division link would be more important here. Orchastrattor (talk) 01:05, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

  Clearly a central figure, by my reading, whose article contains more relevant information as to why "most people" now think he (not really Rota) sucks. Your call, though. I'm not voting on it, either way. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:22, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose "outrage" is cheap. Worry about it if something happens (and something really dramatic would need to happen before I support this - even a resignation for example is still local internal politics). Banedon (talk) 02:12, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. There're far bigger political faux pas than this and those don't even show up on ITN. OhanaUnited^{Talk page} 02:56, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

September 21

Portal:Current events/2023 September 21

September 21, 2023 (2023-09-21) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Aftermath of the 2023 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes Delegates from Azerbaijan and Artsakh meet in the Azeri city of Yevlakh. No formal agreement is adopted after two hours of talks. (Daily Sabah) Russian invasion of Ukraine At least two people are killed and 21 others are injured in Russian strikes across Ukraine. (AP) Business and economy Rupert Murdoch announces his retirement as the chairman of Fox Corporation and News Corp. (NBC News) Disasters and accidents Four people are killed and five others are injured in an explosion at a gas pipeline in Vrancea County, Romania. (Reuters) Two people are killed and more than 40 others are injured when a bus rolls over in Wawayanda, New York, United States. (NBC News) International relations Canada–India relations Death of Hardeep Singh Nijjar Amid a diplomatic crisis, India suspends the issuance of travel visas to Canadian citizens due to alleged security threats at its High Commission and consulates in Canada. (BBC News)

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RD: Kevin Byrne

Article: Kevin Byrne (mayor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cairns.qld.gov.au/council/news-notices/media-releases/media-releases/kevin-byrne
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Nominator's comments: Australian politician, mayor of Cairns, 1992–1995, 2000–2008. Many citations needed. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 13:45, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Arlen Erdahl

Article: Arlen Erdahl (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/areln-erdahl-dies/
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Nominator's comments: Norwegian-American farmer and politician. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 13:45, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Eugenia Viteri

Article: Eugenia Viteri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.expreso.ec/actualidad/fallecio-escritora-eugenia-viteri-173773.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Ecuadorian writer. Article needs a bit of work. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:59, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Saroja Vaidyanathan

Article: Saroja Vaidyanathan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/india/bharatanatyam-exponent-saroja-vaidyanathan-dies-at-86-546465
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Indian choreographer. Article looks almost decent. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:53, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Yoel Alroy

Article: Yoel Alroy (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Israeli politician. Article looks almost decent. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:49, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

September 20

Portal:Current events/2023 September 20

September 20, 2023 (2023-09-20) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Colombian conflict A car bomb explodes near a police station in Timba, Cauca Department, Colombia, killing two people and wounding two others. (La Prensa Latina) Nagorno-Karabakh conflict 2023 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes The Artsakh Defence Army in Nagorno-Karabakh surrenders, accepting a Russian-proposed ceasefire with Azerbaijan and agreeing to vacate combat positions, disarm, and relinquish all ammunition and military equipment. (BBC News) (Reuters) (APA.az) Peace talks between Azerbaijan and the separatists are expected to begin tomorrow in Yevlakh. Russia's peacekeeping contingent will assist in coordinating the ceasefire. (DW) Thousands of Artsakh residents gather at the Stepanakert Airport, where some Russian peacekeepers are stationed, seeking evacuation. (CTV News) Several Russian peacekeepers are killed after Azeri forces open fire on their UAZ Patriot near Chankatagh, Martakert Province. President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev apologizes for the deaths and orders an investigation into the incident. (The Moscow Times) (Anadolu Agency) Disasters and accidents Three members of the South African Navy are killed and five others are rescued when large waves hit a submarine near Kommetjie, Western Cape, South Africa. (News24) International relations Armenia–United States relations United States and Armenian forces complete a joint military exercise in Armenia, which was not affected by the 2023 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes. (Al Jazeera) Russian invasion of Ukraine, Poland–Ukraine relations Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki announces that Poland will stop supplying Ukraine with weapons, amid tensions between the two countries over the former's import ban on Ukrainian agricultural products. (CNN) Vasyl Zvarych, Ukrainian Ambassador to Poland, is summoned by the Polish Foreign Ministry to convey its strong protest over the statement of President Volodymyr Zelenskyy at the United Nations General Assembly. Zelenskyy's statement that some European countries' actions indirectly help Russia, drew condemnation from Poland. (Ukrainian News) Sixty-seven United Nations member states sign the High Seas Treaty. (AFP via France 24) Science and technology The oldest known wooden structure, a 476,000-year-old log structure, is discovered at the Kalambo Falls in Zambia according to a study from the Nature journal. (Live Science)

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RD: Hollis Watkins

Article: Hollis Watkins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.wapt.com/article/mississippi-civil-rights-activist-hollis-watkins-dies-at-age-82/45248442
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: American Civil Rights activist. Article almost looks ready. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:45, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Thet Lwin

Article: Thet Lwin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://news-eleven.com/article/253956
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: Mon Myanmar politician. Article almost looks ready. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:38, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Phil Sellers

Article: Phil Sellers (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.nj.com/rutgersbasketball/2023/09/phil-sellers-hoops-star-who-led-rutgers-to-final-four-dies-at-69.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: American basketball player. Article almost looks ready. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:34, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Jack Sandlin

Article: Jack Sandlin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://apnews.com/article/jack-sandlin-obituary-indiana-352bb3befef755f946c3fbfa9bbccaae
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: American politician. Article looks good. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:27, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Dick Clark

Article: Dick Clark (Iowa politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2023/09/20/dick-clark-us-senator-iowa-dies-at-95-at-home-washington-dc-obituary/70912585007/
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit) and Jenny Death (talk · give credit)

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Nominator's comments: American Politician. Article needs a bit more citation work. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:25, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Lucy Morgan

Article: Lucy Morgan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://news.yahoo.com/lucy-morgan-pulitzer-winning-force-011200243.html
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Moondragon21 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American reporter. Article looks decent though could use some expansion. Onegreatjoke (talk) 15:15, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

(Closed) UK Online Safety Bill

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Article: Online Safety Bill (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The UK's Online Safety Bill completes its passage through parliament. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, EFF, LBC, NYT, Times; WMF
Credits:

• Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
• Created by Nizolan (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This was front page news when I browsed the New York Times this morning: "The British law goes further than other efforts to regulate online content." It is of particular interest to Wikipedia readers because this site is specifically called out in the coverage. Andrew Marr interviewed Jimmy Wales about this but the video is amusingly entitled "Wikipedia founder reveals site is running out of money"! Andrew🐉(talk) 08:41, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

• comment I think there shoudl be some explanation of what that bill is or does in the blurb imo. i dont wanna go thru the link to get even the general idea of what that is Daikido (talk) 10:48, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Politicians doing they work. Surely this is not the BBC. _-_Alsor (talk) 11:36, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose If anything, the recent enforcement of the EU's Digital Markets Act is to have a larger impact. --Masem (t) 13:19, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

• What is the impact on Wikipedia readers or editors? _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 14:31, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  [2] Curbon7 (talk) 09:04, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

  What is the impact on Wikipedia readers or editors? _{Duly signed,} ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:39, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

  We shouldn't decide if something is newsworthy based on its impact on Wikipedia readers (and especially editors!), that would be WP:NAVELGAZING at its peak. Chaotic Enby (talk) 21:03, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

• The blurb does not make its significance clear, that WP is somehow tangentially involved is a navel gazing issue and does not really raise a bar for significance. Gotitbro (talk) 16:34, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose—The passage of a new law in any individual country is usually not ITN-worthy. There has to be some kind of extra significance for it to merit a blurb, which I'm just not seeing here. Kurtis ^(talk) 17:36, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Little to no wider significance than any other piece of domestic legislation. The Kip 18:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Actually quite important, but article is a pile of crap and some of it is factually wrong. Black Kite (talk) 18:42, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• I've reverted the rather early close of this discussion. I've no real pinion on the item, but the blurb (and the article) does a poor job of explaining this bill's significance. The EFF caught my eye when they flatly stated that this bill "undermine[s] the privacy, security, and freedom of all internet users", so its impact seems likely to extend beyond the UK. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 05:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

  I read that EFF piece, but the problem is that we don't know to what extent it will. Clearly it will affect businesses within the UK, but the language of this bill appears to be unclear to how they will deal with international companies. When we start getting into the realm of hypotheticals, it doesn't make for a good ITN topic. As to contrast, we posted the GDPR as the effects both covering a wide range of people directly (EU) and beyond was reasonably clear from RSes and the language of the regulation. I do think, in hindsight, the Digital Markets Act passage should have also been posted (I dont think it was nominated at all) as that has a known impact as well, compared to this law. Masem (t) 12:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

• Precedents FYI, here are some previous nominations of a similar kind which were posted

1. General Data Protection Regulation
2. Net Neutrality
3. Egypt shuts internet

Andrew🐉(talk) 08:49, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

GDPR and Net-neutrality had wide and immediate effects, not so clear here. A country shutting its whole internet services down also falls in these. Gotitbro (talk) 13:04, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

That was also in the midst of a revolt that brought down a regime, so yeah a bit different. If the people of England rise up against their imperial overlords and the government hits the off switch on the internet to stymie them then yeah Id support that too. nableezy - 13:31, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Weak oppose - Quite notable, one of the biggest regulatory acts implemented to the UK internet, but I'm not sure about ITN. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:55, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. A quitnissential example of third- or forth-page news. Other than the direct NYT link provided by the nom, I have been unable to trace this story from the NYT front page, digging pretty deep there. Plenty of coverage of other international stories such as the UN meeting, the Canada-India spat, the Nagorno-Kharabakh conflict, etc. Several other stories from the U.K. are also covered including Sunak's announcement's of weakening of net-zero targets. But I couldn't find anything about this new UK law, even in the World/Europe subsection[3]. Nsk92 (talk) 12:52, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

I read the Times front page for that day and also was not able to find this story. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 18:16, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - local politics. nableezy - 13:31, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Support. Impact on Wikipedia specifically is irrelevant to notability, and we shouldn't go into this kind of navelgazing to justify something which is already independently notable. However, this will have massive consequences even outside of the UK itself as the bill applies to all services with a significant UK userbase, globally. While the law is voted locally, its consequences are much more far-reaching than this. It is definitely ITN-worthy. Chaotic Enby (talk) 21:06, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

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September 19

Portal:Current events/2023 September 19

September 19, 2023 (2023-09-19) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israeli–Palestinian conflict September 2023 Jenin incursion Four Palestinians are killed and 30 others are injured in an Israeli Army raid in the Jenin refugee camp in the occupied West Bank. Two other Palestinians were also killed both in Jericho and Khan Yunis that afternoon. (Al Jazeera) Nagorno-Karabakh conflict 2023 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes Four Azerbaijani police officers and two civilians are killed by separate mine explosions in Nagorno-Karabakh, with Azerbaijan blaming Armenian sabotage groups for the deaths. (AFP via Al Arabiya) Azerbaijan launches an offensive on Nagorno-Karabakh, demanding the withdrawal of ethnic Armenian forces. Azerbaijani forces strike Stepanakert, its de facto capital. (Al Jazeera) (CBC News) Azerbaijan claims that its forces broke through the contact line and captured over 60 military posts in Nagorno-Karabakh. Artsakh forces deny the claims. (Reuters) Artsakh says 25 people, including a child, were killed due to the fighting, and 138 others were injured. Azerbaijan says one civilian was killed by shelling in Shusha. (AP) Russian invasion of Ukraine Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine Nine people are killed in Russian attacks across Ukraine, including six civilians in Kupiansk, Kharkiv Oblast. (Reuters) War in Sudan CNN, citing a source in the Ukrainian military, reports that Ukrainian special forces were likely behind recent drone strikes and a ground operation against Wagner Group mercenaries in Sudan. (CNN) Arts and culture The Institut Européen d'Archéologie Sous-Marine announces the discovery of the site of a temple to the god Amun and a Greek sanctuary devoted to Aphrodite in Thonis-Heracleion in the Abu Qir Bay in Egypt. (CNN) Disasters and accidents Ten people are killed and eight others are injured by two tornadoes in Yancheng and Suqian in Jiangsu, China. (Reuters) Eight people are killed when a military plane crashes in Lamu County, Kenya, near the border with Somalia. (AFP via Africanews) Two people are killed and nine others are seriously injured when a bus plunges into a ravine near Cetinje, Montenegro. (Sky News) Health and environment 2022–2023 mpox outbreak Laos reports its first case of mpox. The national health ministry recommends that provincial health departments set up laboratory facilities for screening tests. (Xinhua) International relations Seventy-eighth session of the United Nations General Assembly The general debate of the United Nations General Assembly opens at the UN Headquarters in New York City, United States. (The Guardian) Southeast Asian bloc ASEAN holds its first-ever joint military exercise in Indonesia. The five-day drills focus on humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. (Kyodo News) Law and crime 2023 Polish parliamentary election Cash-for-visa scandal Documents allegedly from the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs indicate that the Polish embassy in Minsk, Belarus, issued 784,173 visas to individuals from 65 countries with the aid of a Moscow-based company. Individuals who were denied entry at the Belarus-European Union border during the Belarus–European Union border crisis may also have been granted visas. (Gazeta.pl via MSN News) Derna dam collapses Protesters burn down the house of mayor of Derna Abdulmenam Al-Ghaithi in response to the catastrophic floods. Internet and telephone access are subsequently shut down and foreign journalists are ordered to leave the city. (BBC News) Extrajudicial killings and forced disappearances in the Philippines Two environmental activists, who disappeared on September 2, are released in the Philippines and publicly accuse the military of their abduction. The authorities have denied these allegations. (AFP via Al Jazeera) Science and technology 2023 Hawaii wildfires The Lahaina Banyan Tree in Hawaii, United States, shows signs of new growth a month after being damaged by wildfires. (The Washington Post)

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RD: Buddy Teevens

Article: Buddy Teevens (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://home.dartmouth.edu/news/2023/09/dartmouth-announces-death-buddy-teevens-79
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Demoxica (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football coach. Article looks to be almost there. Onegreatjoke (talk) 14:20, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comments: Almost half of the intro is currently about the subject's contributions to safety in football training, but this is not mentioned in the main prose at all. Perhaps much of that material needs to be moved out of the intro to form a new section? To be elaborated there? --PFHLai (talk) 23:24, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
  • I've moved the last few sentences into the main prose to start a new section on "Safety in football training". --PFHLai (talk) 12:37, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Likpalimor Kwajo Tawiah

Article: Likpalimor Kwajo Tawiah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.myjoyonline.com/former-kpandai-mp-tawiah-likpalmor-dead/
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Jkaharper (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Ghanaian politician. Article looks decent. Onegreatjoke (talk) 14:13, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Billy Chemirmir

Article: Billy Chemirmir (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/convicted-murderer-billy-chemirmir-killed-in-prison/
Credits:

• Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Spadeshark99 (talk · give credit) and EclecticEnnui (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American serial killer. Article looks decent. Onegreatjoke (talk) 14:08, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Date of birth isn't cited. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:19, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Stephen Gould (tenor)

Article: Stephen Gould (tenor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BR and many others
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Grimes2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Heldentenor, the hero in Bayreuth from 2004 to 2022, the year when he performed three of these giant roles. He was scheduled to do it again his year, but cancelled due to illness. He revealed a cancer diagnosis only after the festival was over. RIP. The article was shamefully short and undersourced. It's better now. I can do more tomorrow, but he is in the international news now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:08, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support 2266 characters (373 words) "readable prose size" Y Grimes2 (talk) 07:41, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks for adding, I also added some. There's more detail on the German version of the Bayreuth Festival, but I'm out for travel today and tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:46, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:41, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 07:09, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: James F. Hoge Jr.

Article: James F. Hoge Jr. (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Mooonswimmer (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Nohomersryan (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article is on the shorter side and needs some sourcing work. Mooonswimmer 15:31, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Career section is orange-tagged and lacks any refs. The Kip 18:36, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• The Career section is still largely unsourced. Sources are also needed in the Personal life section for the sentences about his schooling and his brother. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 15:13, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: JoAnne A. Epps

Article: JoAnne A. Epps (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Innisfree987 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by JPinPhilly (talk · give credit), Funcrunch (talk · give credit) and Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: US university president Innisfree987 (talk) 23:42, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Few CNs and an orange tag. The Kip 18:38, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I've added a bunch of citations but need to take a break. Hope some others can pitch in; I've pinged WP:African diaspora. Funcrunch (talk) 20:20, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  I did a bit more citation work. I'm concerned that part of the text may be copied verbatim from other sources. E.g. the sentence "[...] inspired the creation of the Stephen and Sandra Sheller Center for Social Justice at Temple Law School, which introduces students to the many roles that lawyers can play in securing access to civil justice" is taken directly from her temple.edu biography. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 23:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  Resolved that, thank you! Innisfree987 (talk) 00:35, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support. Really, publications under her own name should not require additional citations to support the contention that they are publications under her name. BD2412 T 01:21, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I've been adding some more to the early and personal life sections over the past couple of days.--Sunshineisles2 (talk) 23:57, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 16:20, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Per Gahrton

Article: Per Gahrton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [4] (in Swedish)
Credits:

• Nominated by Twistedaxe (talk · give credit)
• Updated by BabbaQ (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Swedish politician, founder of the Swedish Greens Party. TwistedAxe [contact] 13:59, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support - updated and ready. --BabbaQ (talk) 20:48, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
• Weak oppose Description of his work during his time in Parliament (1976-1995) is pretty limited at present and could use expansion. Spencer^T•C 20:37, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

RD: Lou Deprijck

Article: Lou Deprijck (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): VRT, RTL, NME, euronews
Credits:

• Nominated by Fram (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Haggis MacHaggis (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Belgian musician and producer, known for Two Man Sound, "Lou and the Hollywood Bananas" and being the voice of megahit Ça plane pour moi Fram (talk) 13:13, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Short but fine for RD. Gotitbro (talk) 13:31, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Sufficiently updated. Ready.BabbaQ (talk) 07:35, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• There are a few {cn} tags, including one for his DoB. There are also several deadlinks used in refs, including one that was cited four times, that need to be refreshed/replaced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 08:32, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
  • His DoB is now ref'd in the revised personal life section, but this wikibio still has a couple of CN tags. Please add more REFs, or remove unsourced materials. --PFHLai (talk) 12:17, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) Canada accuses Indian Government of killing Hardeep Singh Nijjar on Canadian soil

Article: Hardeep Singh Nijjar (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Canadian government accuses the Indian government of assassinating Sikh-separatist Hardeep Singh Nijjar in British Columbia, causing a diplomatic crisis (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Canada accuses the Indian government of assassinating Sikh-separatist Hardeep Singh Nijjar in British Columbia, causing a diplomatic crisis between the two countries
Alternative blurb II: ​ Canada accuses the Indian government of killing Sikh-separatist Hardeep Singh Nijjar on Canadian soil, causing a diplomatic crisis
Alternative blurb III: ​ Canada's Justin Trudeau accuses agents of the Indian government of killing Khalistan movement advocate Hardeep Singh Nijjar in Surrey, prompting a denial and two diplomatic expulsions
News source(s): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-66851939
Credits:

• Nominated by PrecariousWorlds (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Very much In The News. Two significant global powers expelling each other's diplomats, with Canada accusing the Indian government of an extra-judicial killing on their soil. While the articles need work, this is definitely notable enough for ITN. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:03, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• Interesting. Is it the ambassador/high commisioner that has been expelled? Though I would note that itself does not necessarily make this notable (see the recent expulsions of ambassadors in Congo/Niger/Mali/EU countries). Do let know the wider implications of this beyond the expulsion. Gotitbro (talk) 13:29, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  Canada and India are major global powers though, and we did blurb the Nigerien Crisis you're referring to. Canada, one of the great powers of the world, accusing India, another great power of an extra-judicial killing of a Canadian citizen is a big event.

  As for which diplomats were expelled, I don't think that information has been disclosed, only that they were very top-ranking ones. There was a report that the Indian diplomat to Canada was also the head of the Indian intelligence agency in Canada.[5] PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:42, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, we did post the Nigerien crisis which was significant itself but not the fallout/aftermath (including the expulsions). In this case the assassination which happened months back (stale) is not the topic of the ITN posting but the diplomatic fallout which is limited to that for now. I would like to wait for further developments that are beyond the diplomatic sabre-rattling. Gotitbro (talk) 13:51, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  The 2023 Nigerien crisis was the fallout/aftermath, as distinct from the 2023 Nigerien coup d'état. Chaotic Enby (talk) 14:50, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, you are right in which case it was only posted to the ongoing tab i.e. was not blurbed. Gotitbro (talk) 14:58, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• Question I support the nomination in principle (pending improvements), but do we have any verifiable proof that this has happened? I feel like if we post this we kinda give credibility to the accusation in itself. I know that we've posted the Khashoggi murder and i believe the assassination of that Chechen rebel in Berlin by the Russians as well, but I feel like those two cases were much more clear-cut than this one. Cheers! Daikido (talk) 13:39, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  We don't have any verifiable proof that it was the Indian government who killed Nijjar. I specified in the blurb that this was only an accusation, but perhaps more is needed to make that distinction. Regardless, the diplomatic fallout makes this worthy of a blurb to me. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 13:44, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  Support fair enough, I support this then Daikido (talk) 05:19, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support. The accusation is currently being reported on by several news outlets including such as the NYT, CBS, Politico, and Reuters, and the blurb does a good job of clarifying that it's an accusation, not fact. River10000 (talk) 14:26, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Governments say many things about other countries. They accuse each other and there is nothing that makes us see that it is not the typical diplomatic crisis between two countries. Something usual. Not close to a Khashoggi issue. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:35, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  I don't know what you would call a "typical diplomatic crisis" and how you would decide if it is or not ITN-worthy, but a country accusing another of commiting murder on their territory is certainly not "usual". Chaotic Enby (talk) 14:48, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  I can simply differentiate between simply an accusation (which this case seems to be) to something more serious like a national/international investigation or diplomatic decision making.

  And notability is debated here, with opinions from everyone. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:52, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Support on notability, agree that the emphasis in the blurb should be made on the accusation and subsequent diplomatic crisis until proof can be found. The current blurb is pretty good, although I regret the lack of a specific target article regarding the diplomatic crisis. Chaotic Enby (talk) 14:47, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• Justin Trudeau accuses I get that he "represents" Canada and the federal government in several senses, but it's a big government and I think attribution makes sense (no opinion or idea on whether the news is "notable"). InedibleHulk (talk) 17:05, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  I would say that Trudeau was repeating accusations presented to him by CSIS, rather than making them himself, so it would be inappropriate to say in wiki-voice that he himself is accusing. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  17:26, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  I don't think it's inappropriate at all, given the sources, and have rewritten the article's lead to match its body. CSIS tells him countless known unknown things; it's the publicity he gave this info that made it news today. This is ITN/C, though, with its own evidentiary processes. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:33, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  Disagree with "Justin Trudeau accuses" because the Canadian opposition has voiced its support of Trudeau on this diplomatic incident. NorthernFalcon (talk) 20:40, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  The accusations haven't just been from the Liberals, almost every major politician and political party in parliament has condemned this and blamed India. Pierre Poilievre of the Conservatives, NDP. Pretty much everyone in government has expressed outrage. I think it's fair to say that this is the position of the Canadian government as a whole PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:54, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  Those two are certainly talking about the accusation, but neither seems to repeat or add to it and both of your linked stories are clear about who made it. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:42, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  Even so, the Liberals are the ruling party. Their position reflects that of the governance of Canada, irrespective of the opposition. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:53, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

  I've added an altblurb. This should not be construed as a Support Vote, nor should this note be taken to mean Oppose. If a poster sees fit to post, this is the one I'd prefer, that's all. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:10, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  I'd often agree @InedibleHulk - but he literally stood up in the Commons, unbidden (other than impending media scoop), and announced it. Sure, CSIS (or more likely CSE) has briefed him. And I doubt @GhostOfDanGurney that the security service in question told him their accusation - they surely showed him, or played for him, the intercepts. Nfitz (talk) 04:22, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, he literally stood up, unbidden and announced it. It wasn't Canadians joining hands to spell out a message in candlelight to the space station nor even a joint letter from a few good chiefs, governors and/or ministers. Even the second time, just one man. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:40, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

  Who happens to be Canada's head of government. - Tenebris 66.11.165.110 (talk) 09:06, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose as too soon. This is either the beginning of a major diplomatic incident that will surely make it to the main page eventually, or a big nothingburger that will be resolved over tea time. Hardeep Singh Nijjar also shouldn't be the main target, but rather Canada-India relations. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  17:29, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose: Too soon - Echo @GhostOfDanGurney's thoughts.

Wrythemann (talk) 20:10, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Wait until we confirm it, and even so, if this gets resolved soon and has no major outlash, this would still not be ITN-material. Editor 5426387 (talk) 01:20, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support This is a major development, similar to Jamal Khashoggi but with much broader ramifications. Certainly for Australia, where the US has been trying to coerce us into an alliance with India. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Wait/Oppose The long-term ramifications of this are unknown, as this is only a typical diplomatic spat and nothing close to escalating to complete severing of relations or aggression. It could go that way, but its not there yet. --Masem (t) 02:00, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose It pains me to say this, but cross border assassination by intelligence services has become, if not commonplace, then certainly not rare. The Russians and Israelis have been doing it for decades. And yes, it's been common knowledge. Often it is quietly swept under the rug so as not to rock the diplomatic boat. When the act is a bit too brazen to be ignored, a stiffly worded formal protest might be lodged and sometimes a diplomat or two expelled. It's a sad statement about where we are, but what would once have been treated as an act of war, is now simply tolerated in all but the rarest cases. If something really serious comes of this, maybe Canada breaks diplomatic relations with India, I will reconsider. Otherwise, this is just a somewhat unusual item on the global police blotter. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:15, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  The thing is, didn't you guys post the Berlin murder where the russian state murdered someone? I def. remember you posting Khashoggi Daikido (talk) 06:27, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  The target was classified as a terrorist by the Indian government. Lots of countries do this – see Targeted killing. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:58, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  A designation rejected by Canada. Khashoggi was probably also considered a terrorist/enemy by the Russian government. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:00, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  Pretty sure you mean Saudi government? AryKun (talk) 11:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  Yes, sorry. Saudi government PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:33, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  It isn't often that an extra-judicial murder by a major foreign power occurs, especially in Canada. And even so, the outcry and breakdown in relations (as well as the massive news coverage) furthers notability.

  It's like how natural disasters happen incredibly often, yet we still post every one we deem to be above an arbitrary death toll. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 10:03, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Comment - The expelled Indian diplomat to Canada was Pavan Kumar Rai, who was the head of the Indian intelligence agency's branch in Canada, if anyone is curious PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:49, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

• Not rare? I'm not aware of either it being done in Canada or by India. I'm also not aware of it happening between two democracies with a separation between church and state. This is significant. Nfitz (talk) 12:17, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  the state-church relationship has nothing to do with this. The expulsion of ambassadors is not such a rare occurrence in diplomatic relations either. _-_Alsor (talk) 13:45, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  Well, I was trying to find a way to describe a liberal democracy, but not include Israel where government-sanctioned extraterritorial murder and kidnappings have been orchestrated in other liberal democracies. Ambassador expulsions are common enough (though between Commonwealth nations?) - keep in mind that neither Canada nor India, @Alsoriano97 have ever had ambassadors; but this was lower-level. But state-sanction murder of another Commonwealth member's citizen? Nfitz (talk) 04:13, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support - we had an ITN proposal when he was murdered; that didn't get enough support. If this doesn't push it over the edge, I don't know what was. An incredible and unexpected development. Nfitz (talk) 12:17, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support notable and widely being reported, independent of whether it's true or not (although it would be very surprising if it was true). AryKun (talk) 15:15, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Weak support Targeted extra-judicial killings per se are not particularly rare (just look at the CIA), but the fact that this incident involves India and Canada is unusual. India denies the allegation. There are some news articles about worsening Canadian–Indian relations as a result, but nothing concrete so far. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 16:59, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support on significance. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:02, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support Widely-covered in global media, and a major diplomatic incident between two nations of this size/influence is unusual enough. Article's short but passable. The Kip 18:34, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support. Sure. This incident is getting tons of coverage. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 03:28, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted a modified alt3. Canada–India relations has very little content about this for linking the words "diplomatic crisis", so I dropped that. I've no objection to anyone improving the blurb. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 05:34, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

• Perhaps, User:The ed17, instead of "Canada accuses India of killing" that "Canada accuses India of involvement in the killing". They've been very clear not to put it ALL on India; and the new report that both Canada and another ECHELON nation intercepted communications from diplomats; not the government. An assassination or a killing? Nfitz (talk) 04:18, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• Could you link the new article: 2023 Canada–India diplomatic crisis? Peter Ormond 💬 08:26, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

• @Nfitz: That change request should probably go through WP:ERRORS. It feels like semantics to me, but perhaps someone else will see it differently. Peter Ormond, that article has been redirected as a content fork. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 17:19, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

  Not many eyes at errors, really. And it's all subjective. Nfitz (talk) 22:20, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

(Posted) 2023 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes

Article: 2023 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Azerbaijan launches its second invasion of Nagorno-Karabakh in 3 years. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ After maintaining a blockade of the region for 10 months, Azerbaijan invades Nagorno-Karabakh.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Azerbaijan breaches its ceasefire agreement and launches an invasion of Nagorno-Karabakh
Alternative blurb III: ​ Three years after a ceasefire agreement, clashes break out between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In a breach of the 2020 ceasefire agreement, Azerbaijan launches a military operation against Nagorno-Karabakh.
News source(s): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66851975
Credits:

• Nominated by Daikido (talk · give credit)
• Created by Abcmaxx (talk · give credit)
• Updated by U2You Too (talk · give credit)

Nominator's comments: Second massive invasion in 3 years, more news to follow, surely a standalone article about this will be done within the next hour. --Daikido (talk) 09:52, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose: the blurbs are very biased and not neutral at all. Please change them. Nemoralis (talk) 11:13, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Explain how? Abcmaxx (talk) 11:16, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• Created stub article. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:16, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  It is already created in article namespace but @Fram moved it to draft: Draft:2023 Nagorno-Karabakh clashes Nemoralis (talk) 11:20, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• The hook should be a mainspace article (currently drafted). Gotitbro (talk) 11:25, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  Support Moved to mainspace since, would like to see a more neutral blurb which matches the article title though. Gotitbro (talk) 13:53, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• I moved the original version to draft, and raised it at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard. We should first have a neutral, well-sourced article before thinking about putting this in the mainspace, never mind putting it on the Main Page. This is a highly contentious topic, subject to General Sanctions, and needs attention from disinterested but policy-fluent editors (including preferably some admins) to make sure that our coverage is strictly neutral and factual. Fram (talk) 11:29, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  I cited the BBC News article? Its breaking news not sure what you expected here. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:51, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  I'll take a look at it in the afternoon. Chaotic Enby (talk) 11:53, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• Update thanks to the efforts of @U2You Too: the article is vastly different. Abcmaxx (talk) 12:16, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support this would be a significant escalation in the war, and once the problem has been fixed, this would be definitely ITN-worthy. Editor 5426387 (talk) 12:45, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Comment - I'm a bit iffy on the wording of 'invasion', I think it's too early to assign such a term to this event, as of now I've only seen confirmed reports of shelling rather than an actual military invasion. I also feel like we should be careful with neutrality as others have pointed out, this is an incredibly controversial topic.

As for the notability of the event, Support PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:56, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb as written Support alt blurb IV Since the disputed area, Nagorno-Karabakh, is "recognised internationally as part of Azerbaijan." (BBC article) it seems to me that the word "invasion" is confusing at best. Nigej (talk) 14:08, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  International recognition doesn't change how an army enters a territory. If China invaded Taiwan, how would we call it if not an invasion? Chaotic Enby (talk) 14:54, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  Although I wouldn't call the current clashes an invasion either, but for a different reason: actual troop movement hasn't been confirmed yet, only shelling, from what I understand. Chaotic Enby (talk) 14:55, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  I'm just saying people might think of it like Russia invading Ukraine. Is Ukraine now "invading" the parts of Ukraine that Russia now holds? Something like "retake" or "regain" perhaps. Nigej (talk) 15:10, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  Indeed, if Ukraine conducts a military operation in Crimea or Donetsk, would it be an invasion? Grandmaster 17:25, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Support alt blurb IV and also the current title is misleading, it should be changed to "2023 Nagorno-Karabakh offensive" or "2023 Nagorno-Karabakh attack" per multiple sources. - Kevo³²⁷ (talk) 14:48, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support and Comment. A war happening in our current timeline is very significant. Also, it has been pointed out by others but the blurb is sort of misleading (especially the word "invade"). It should be changed to something else, for example "attack". 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 15:47, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment new blurb proposed. Article is tagged in several places, but all are minor. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 15:51, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  I can get behind this, support alt blurb 3. Gotitbro (talk) 16:00, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  Support Alt Blurb 3. That sounds better. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 16:04, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support alternative blurb III as neutral, alternatively ongoing. Although reported casualties are currently low, this may grow bigger. Brandmeister^talk 16:14, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  False balance isn't necessarily the most neutral choice, and presenting both sides as equally responsible, even by omission, is already WP:POV. Chaotic Enby (talk) 19:33, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support alt blurb IV. Alt blurb III isn't neutral; it tries to "both sides" it, rather than reflecting sources which describe Azerbaijan as launching a military operation against Nagorno Karbabakh; see the BBC, the ABC, CNN, France24. BilledMammal (talk) 16:23, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  The article title does still state "clashes" so I don't think we are inaccurate with alt blurb 3. I believe the details can be handled within article itself, we need to be concise for ITN. I would reconsider if a page move occurs with a different descriptive. Gotitbro (talk) 17:25, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  Three years after a ceasefire agreement, Azerbaijan initiates clashes against Armenia over the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh. (Alt blurb V?)

  Here. Just as concise as alt blurb 3, still refers to "clashes", but doesn't omit who started the whole thing. Chaotic Enby (talk) 19:36, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  This appears good to me as well, do not see any issues with it. Gotitbro (talk) 22:54, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support Alternative blurb IV: This is getting more intense as the hours pass, so this has to be on the main page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucasoliveira653 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support Obviously noteworthy enough to post. Leaning toward alt blurb IV as that seems to mirror the wording used by news media. I don't think the term "clashes" describes the event as informatively, despite it currently being the article title, although it may not strictly speaking be inaccurate. (Example quotes from the article, representing both sides' viewpoints: "[...] Azerbaijani offensive will continue unless the Karabakh Armenians disband their government bodies and armed forces". "[...] de facto capital, Stepanakert, and other cities were “under heavy shelling”" That sounds much more like "a military operation" than "clashes", which to me would imply small, isolated attacks near the border. Perhaps it started with clashes, as Azerbaijan claims, but it has evidently turned into a larger offensive.) 98.170.164.88 (talk) 18:11, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support Alt IV: Widely reported, notable. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 19:18, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Support, preferably alt blurb IV No doubt on notability, this is a major escalation rapidly turning into a full-scale conflict. Strongly oppose alt blurb III as it attempts to "both-sides" the event and doesn't mention the key event, which is Azerbajian breaking the ceasefire and actually launching an attack. Chaotic Enby (talk) 19:31, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support most of the blurbs are acceptable; the start of a new war between two nations is always notable and should be put on ITN as soon as quality is acceptable. However, the name of the article should be changed to reflect the reality on the ground before this is posted; please vote on the proposed name change so that we can resolve that quickly. NorthernFalcon (talk) 20:31, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

  Agree that getting the name issue fixed is a priority, although one could argue the news is important and urgent enough that it could be acceptable to post it beforehand (thus being an exception from the argument I made for the cash-for-visa scandal suggestion below). Chaotic Enby (talk) 22:07, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support probably even arguably a war at this point. Braganza (talk) 20:48, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support - fine enough for a blurb now. a major escalation of tensions. BabbaQ (talk) 21:13, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support - Support, preferably alt-blurb 1 , also ok with original blurb and alt 2 and 4. Heavily oppose alt 3, as it both-sides it when this is clealy a military offensive launched by Azerbaijan. If the word "invasion" is considered too strong for alt-1 to be used, I would also propose a modification of alt 4 to include the imporatnt information regarding the preceding 10-month blockade of the region, something like "After maintaining a blockade of the region for 10 months, Azerbaijan breaches the 2020 ceasefire agreement and launches a military operation against Nagorno-Karabakh. Achemish (talk) 22:13, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support alt blurb IV notable, with international impact/coverage/interest. Article looks good to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:33, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support very important. Maybe alternative: Azerbaijan begins a military operation in Nagorno-Karabakh?--『白猫しろ ねこ』^Обг. 00:39, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support alt blurb III per above. Nemoralis (talk) 06:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support Not sure if I can vote seeing how I'm the nom, but I vote for alt blurb 4 seeing how it sounds the most grammatically correct. Blurb 3 sounds factually not very correct since it implicates blame on both sides citing just clashes even though clashes began after Azeri's declaration to finish the job, and because it should be pretty obvious to everyone that Artsakh didn't attack Azeris first for much the same reasons it was obvious to people that Poland didn't attack Germany in 1939. The power balance is just not there. Daikido (talk) 06:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support blurb 4 per above. Davey2116 (talk) 07:26, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
• Posted – Schwede66 09:42, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

Update blurb? - Azerbaijan and Armenia have agreed to a ceasefire and peace talks mediated by Russia, starting tomorrow. [6] Might be relevant to include this. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 09:58, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

• Ongoing This conflict has been been ongoing for years (like many others) and the latest clash/ceasefire seems to be moving too rapidly to say exactly what's happening now. It would therefore be better as ongoing rather than a specific blurb. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:08, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  Ongoing is a thing when we do not have a single blurb-worthy story, which is not the case here. The blurb needs an update to reflect the ceasefire, though. Tone 10:16, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

• Blurb amended - I've removed mention of the breach of the prior ceasefire, per discussion at WP:ERRORS, and now included the fact that there was a ceasefire announced today. If I've erred in any way, please let me know.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:40, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  The blurb is a bit clunky in my opinion, I would suggest: "Azerbaijan's military operation in Nagorno-Karabakh results in a ceasefire." - Indefensible (talk) 17:54, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  Or even "Azerbaijan's military operation against Armenia in Nagorno-Karabakh..." - Indefensible (talk) 17:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

  Not 100% sure about mentioning the new ceasefire given reports of it already being violated, otherwise pretty good job! Thanks! Chaotic Enby (talk) 18:08, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

• @Amakuru: As it's already been posted, do I request a rewording/update here? The situation has turned into a massive exodus (that's the focus of all the news articles already), as Armenians have been fleeing the conditions and the Azeri soldiers to escape to Armenia for the past 2 days - basically since the moment Azerbaijan allowed them to start exiting after the long blockade and closed border. Maybe something like, "Mass exodus of Armenians from Nagorno-Karabakh to Armenia after successful Azerbaijani assault."--RaffiKojian (talk) 02:29, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

  @RaffiKojian: hmm that's a tricky one. I think the usual practice for such cases might be to start a new section at the top of this page and then label it as a "blurb change" request. Since it's a change in the agreed focus of the hook, the community may want to give its opinion. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 05:53, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

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