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    August 18

    Multiple addresses in the infobox

    I edit high school articles, and it isn't rare that I come across a school with multiple addresses (e.g., multiple campuses such as North Campus and South Campus, or different campuses for different grades such as an elementary, middle, and high school campus):

    • In the infobox, would it be appropriate to list all addresses, or should only the common aspects of the addresses, such as country, state/province, and city? (e.g., if not all the schools have the same city in common, but have the same province and country in common, only write the province and country in the infobox)
    • If all addresses should be listed, what is the limit for when addresses shouldn't be listed in its entirety (e.g., perhaps when an organization that has schools across the country)?
    • If the addresses shouldn't be listed in the infobox, should they be listed in the body of the article?
    • If there is ever a time multiple addresses should be listed in the infobox, how should it be formatted? Is the example below an OK way to format them, and is there a better way to format this?:

    Campus 1
    1234 Example St
    A city, state
    Country
    Campus 2
    567 Example Rd
    A city, state
    Country
    TheGEICOgecko (talk) 06:29, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi TheGEICOgecko. You might want to ask about this WT:WPSCHOOLS, but I personally think adding too much of this type of information might be contrary to the purpose of MOS:INFOBOX and run afoul of WP:NOTDIRECTORY. A Wikipedia article infobox isn't (at least not in my opinion) intended to be an "About us" or "Contact us" type of section you might find on an organization's official website. It seems (again in my opinion) only appropriate to list the main address for the school and not the address of each campus. If the other information is on the school's official website and there's a link to that website in the infobox or in the External links seciton, then that seems more than sufficient from a Wikipedia standpoint. Finally, I'm wondering whether anyone has previously brought up your choice of user name before. It could possibly be seen by some as being promotional since there is after all the The GEICO Gecko advertising campaign. I might be overthinking things a bit, which is why I wondering whether it ever came up before. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:36, 18 August 2022 (UTC); [Note: Minor copyediting made to original post by Marchjuly to add some words (indicated by underlining) that were left out by mistake. -- 21:30, 18 August 2022 (UTC)][reply]
    I decided not to bring it up to WikiProject Schools because it seemed to be more so about a general rule on infoboxes/addresses.
    What if they don't have any particular main campus? Should there be no address, or only the common aspects of the addresses, like the country?
    My username has been brought up a couple times in the past. I have addressed it on my user page, of which I have stated I will not interact with articles related to car insurance to avoid any conflict of interest or action potentially seen as promotional, and that I am in no way affiliated with the company. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 13:32, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That infobox has a plural parameter called campuses. It's not clear from the documentation page what it actually does though. - X201 (talk) 13:29, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It says it's only for the names of the campuses TheGEICOgecko (talk) 13:33, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I would agree with Marchjuly that the infobox should not generally not contain multiple addresses/locations. For a school, use the main location, or that of the most notable location (usu. the high school). If there is no main campus, it may be a private school organization that would still have a headquarters location. If that is unknown, I would just use the place they operate (e.g. county, state, province, etc). The school infobox does not require using the address/city/state/zip parameters; there is an alternative field |location= that implies a less specific location is acceptable when appropriate. The infobox is supposed to a quick summary of "key info" and should not be cluttered up with too many details. MB 16:11, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Grand Arcade (Leeds)

    refs number 3 and 5 are the same - can they be "doubled up" please? thanks in advance 49.198.41.28 (talk) 08:07, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

     Done Recommend using an wp:edit request instead. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 08:13, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Martha Mitchell

    Martha Mitchell massively factually contadicts https://www.encyclopedia.com/women/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/mitchell-martha-1918-1976 - a reliable source. VANDALIZING uses an offline reference:

    "Martha Mitchell". Saturday Evening Post. Vol. 243, no. 2. Fall 1971. pp. 50–53.

    0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 10:08, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    This is article related, so it should be raised at Talk:Martha Mitchell.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 10:13, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Please read Wikipedia:Vandalism, specifically WP:NOTVANDALISM. Relying on a source that you, personally, do not approve of, does not constitute vandalism. It may be wrong, bad, immoral, or just plain misguided, but it is not vandalism. —Wasell(T) 🌻 14:28, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Hide and seek

    I recently created the template {{Ouse washes map}} by tweaking an existing template. The template has a hide/show option, which appears to "show" as the default. Is it possible to change this to "hide" by default without sabotaging the base Routemap template? thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:58, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

     Courtesy link: Template:Ouse washes map 💜  melecie  talk - 11:01, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jimfbleak: You can use {{Routemap}}'s |collapse= parameter (documented at Template:Routemap § Template data), taking into account MOS:COLLAPSE. Rummskartoffel 11:10, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Rummskartoffel:, thank you! I set |collapsed=0, and it did exactly what I wanted Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:45, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Any value works as the documentation says but 0 is a confusing choice because it usually means false/no/off. true/yes/on/1 are the common values to enable something. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:37, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    PrimeHunter, thanks, I'd already set it to "yes" having stumbled across another page indicating that you should use "yes" ("no" is the default) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:21, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Student publishing journal articles

    My name is Victoria ,a Master's student at United States International University-Africa. I am studying Marriage and Family Therapy. I would like information about student articles and if you allow students to publish their articles on Wikipedia. 41.212.116.242 (talk) 13:46, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, Victoria. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "student articles"; but the answer is that anyone can contribute to Wikipedia. In principle that means that anyone can write a new article; but editors with little experience who try to create articles often have a frustrating time, and I always advise them to get a few months' experience improving some of our six million articles before they try it.
    Note that Wikipedia does not allow original research: all articles should summarise what existing reliable published sources say about a subject, no more. If your studies are leading you to new discoveries, new insights, or new conclusions, Wikipedia is absolutely not the place to publish these.
    I suggest reading Introduction; and when you're ready to contemplate creating a new article read your first article.
    By the way, you do not have to create an account in order to edit articles (or even to create them, if you go through the draft process) but there are some advantages in doing so. ColinFine (talk) 14:25, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a journal, so our articles are very different than journal articles. the biggest difference is that an encyclopedia articles is not permitted to contain original research, While original research is usually the entire purpose of a journal article. We will gratefully accept you help if you wish to improve our articles, but you must find another place for your journal articles. -Arch dude (talk) 01:54, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:ACADEME is a great essay for academics who are interested in editing Wikipedia and common pitfalls academics fall into. Happy editing and please ask more questions if you have new ones! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 18:30, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Editing

    I want to know how to edit on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lihleikhayalethu (talk • contribs) 13:52, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, Lihleikhayalethu. Please see Help:Introduction.
    The reason your edit to Shri Krishna Sinha was reverted is that you inserted two words in an unhelpful place, without giving any idea of why you had inserted them, and without citing a source. Your edit summary said "the name": Whose name? Why does it belong in the article? Why does it belong at the top of that section? What reliable published source says that it is the name (of whatever it is)?
    For many edits, it is obvious why the editor has made them, but they may still be removed because they are uncited, or another editor thinks they are not appropriate for the article (see WP:BRD). But in the case of your edit, I have no idea why you inserted it or what it means, and I suspect that the editor who reverted it also didn't know. ColinFine (talk) 14:33, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    New user homepage feedback

    Hey! So I went to provide some feedback for the new user homepage, however I didn't see a button allowing me to do so. Does anyone have a link for where I can provide feedback on it? ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:04, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia talk:Growth Team features is probably the best place. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:06, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks! ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:08, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    page published

    published page Singhsatwinder9 (talk) 18:39, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    If this is about User:Singhsatwinder9/sandbox there is no chance in hell an unreferenced biography will be accepted. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 18:42, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    WRITING ON WIKIPEDIA

    When I join Wikipedia for the first time, what is the best decision to make? what are the best topics to also write on as a newbie? Independent Ghana official (talk) 21:23, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, Independent Ghana official. Welcome to Wikipedia. Please have a look at Help:Introduction. I suggest you take it slowly: find some existing articles of interest to you, and see what small improvements you can make. I advise you not to try the challenging task of creating a new article until you have acquired some experience editing.
    You might like to have a look at WP:WikiProject Ghana as well. It's not clear it is an active project, but there are probably some useful resources there.
    I'm not sure whether or not your username is in accordance with our Username policy: generally names which suggest that you might be editing on behalf of some organisation are forbidden (the elements 'official' and 'independent' in your user name seem to contradict each other, so it is possible that this will be acceptable).
    Happy editing! ColinFine (talk) 21:45, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Independent Ghana official: Thank you for deciding to contribute to Wikipedia! You can view the task center for a list of useful tasks you can do, ordered by difficulty. Also, see the community portal, which has other opportunities to help out. If you are confident in your English skills, I would recommend starting by copyediting articles, which is editing through articles to increase their conciseness and clarity. — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 15:36, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello

    Please help us maintain the page of our teacher Ogyen Trinley Dorje, the 17th Karmapa. Some people, most likely friends of China, are maliciously putting in wrong information and unfounded information into it. Bodhisato (talk) 21:48, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

     Courtesy link: Ogyen Trinley Dorje FYI @CodeTalker: It looks like there's an edit dispute, but CodeTalker has been editing for a long time. Perhaps discuss on the talk page. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:02, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    CS1 errors

    Hi, I'm brushing up an article, and in the hidden category it tells me there are some CS1 errors and maints, namely generic author (which I can see), but the ones I can't see is missing periodical, multiple names: authors list, and url-status. What do these mean? Does missing periodical refer to missing volume and issue? Thanks X-750 List of articles that I have screwed over 23:33, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    @X750: I guess it's about Oil refinery. Please always be specifc and link to any page or article your question involves. See Help:CS1 errors#Controlling error message display for how to see hidden error mesages. The "Case Studies Of Corrosion Failures In Oil Refineries" reference (currently number 81) says "Cite journal requires |journal=". PrimeHunter (talk) 00:32, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh yes sorry, PrimeHunter, it is Oil refinery. Thank you very much. X-750 List of articles that I have screwed over 01:13, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    August 19

    Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing

    Approximately when should the RFC for Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Conduct in deletion-related editing take place? Please {{ping}} me when you respond. -- Jax 0677 (talk) 00:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    @Jax 0677, I'm actually not sure, but you can try clicking the star to the left of the search box to be notified when someone creates it. weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 00:38, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    It has been created now. weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 16:13, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Request to remove maintenance template (COI)

    Hi there! I recently made several edits to Project Jupyter to reduce its reliance on primary sources. Now, most of the cited sources are secondary sources. I am a professional software developer and I work on Project Jupyter as a core part of my job, so I have a conflict of interest that (per WP:WTRMT) I believe precludes me from removing the template myself. Can another editor please review whether Project Jupyter still relies too much on primary sources, and if not, could you please remove the maintenance template? Thanks! White 720 (talk) 00:43, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    I'll remove it, but I'll have to add another template. Please do not edit articles where you have a COI. Sumanuil. 05:04, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Thanks for your help. I’ll refrain from making further edits so that editors without a COI can make improvements. White 720 (talk) 14:36, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    How can I test that my image alt text additions are working for blind users?

    In this edit at List of French monarchs I added alt text to some images as recommended at MOS:ACCESS. I don't see tooltip pop-ups, status bar changes, or any other indication that this alt text is working; maybe I need special blind-access software to see it? Is there a preferences gadget, or some other way that I can verify my alt text changes? Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 01:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Hm; in poking around, it seems that most browsers (except IE) don't show alt text, but the html title attribute does. So, maybe I need to do a help script request, to create a script that copies alt value to title? Mathglot (talk) 01:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I use dispensers one. Moxy- 01:34, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Mathglot: I don't know, but I suspect the folks that monitor talk:MOS:ACCESS might be able to help. -Arch dude (talk) 01:37, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Good point; I'll move this there... Mathglot (talk) 01:39, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    In the meantime, Moxy's solution works as well. I'll see what MOS users say as well. Mathglot (talk) 01:46, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Statistics about categories

    Hi, I am guessing that nearly all categories are not used, and that they are not used on Stubs.

    Are there any statistics - Total number of categories - Number of new categories created each month - The distribution of usage OR how many aren't used accessed by readers? (How many user journeys include clicking on a category on an article? I thought of visits, but they would include crawlers/bots)? - The distribution of number of Categories per article?

    I asked a similar question on here on the 13th, but didn't get a response. Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 04:25, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, Wakelamp. Empty categories are subject to deletion and this happens all the time. Please see Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion for recent examples. Please see Wikipedia:Statistics and Wikipedia: Categories for more information. Cullen328 (talk) 05:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @cullen328 Sorry, my post was not clear - I am not after empty categories, but ones that are not used. I have now looked at the three pages. Would I best to ask for a query? Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk)
    Wakelamp, if a category is not empty, then by definition, it is being used in the articles that are contained in that category, and editors added it there by categorizing the articles. That's use. Cullen328 (talk) 06:27, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    By not used, I mean not accessed by a reader. It's OK. I will request a query Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 07:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Keep in mind that direct visits to the category page are not the only way in which categories can be used for navigation purposes, even by non-editor readers: they can also be used in advanced search queries, without ever visiting the category page itself. Thus, a lack of direct visits to a category page is not *necessarily* proof it is not being used by readers. (Additionally, many categories, even non-maintenance, mainspace-use categories, serve purposes in aiding editors with or without direct visits to the category page) AddWittyNameHere 23:48, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Wakelamp, to see how often a category page is viewed by readers, click "Page information " on the left toolbar, scroll to the bottom, and select "Page view statistics". Cullen328 (talk) 16:39, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    When you click "Page information", the first table already shows "Page views in the past 30 days". The main article of a category often has around 1000 times more views than the category page. It's 4400 times for Category:Donald Trump. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:14, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Articles for Deletion

    We have hundreds of currently active deletion discussions, with some being relisted multiple times with few comments. It is a little surprising to me that with so many Wikipedia editors, there are so few of them at AfD. Is there a noticeboard where this can be discussed? Could wp:AN or Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous) work? NytharT.C 11:08, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    For the particular discussion about why AfD participation is low, I'd recommend either WT:AFD or WP:VPM as you said; note that the crowd you'll attract (and thus the resulting discussion) will be quite different depending on the page you start it on. Enterprisey (talk!) 15:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Creating multiple accounts using the same IP address

    My colleague and I are preparing for a Wikipedia edit-a-thon for students at a university to take place on October 6, 2022. Last year, we ran into the issue of the limited number of accounts that can be created in one day under the same IP address. Can we request that this number be increased to the maximum number allowed on the day of our workshop? A more specific number, if needed, would be 50 at the maximum. Thank you! Kariscatherine (talk) 16:40, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    The way around this is to have someone with the account creator user right assist you. I'm not sure where you'd ask for that though. Perhaps the admin noticeboard, as admins have it by default. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:31, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Other approaches that may be better, filing a task on Phabricator per m:Mass account creation#Requesting temporary lift of IP cap, any admin granting the event coordinator right to Kariscatherine. (requestible at WP:PERM/EVC) * Pppery * it has begun... 17:36, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I just realized that the even coordinator group is exactly what it is needed here and was coming back to amend my comments. I forgot all about it for a minute. I must need coffee, luckily I just made some. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:41, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Rollback all

    I believe somewhere I have a script that creates a drop-down on a user contributions page and then I can click on Rollback all, reverting all the edits made by the user. I usually use this with sock edits. A little bit ago, the drop-down now has duplicate entries for rollback all and two new dupes for rollback selected. When I click on rollback all, it asks me for an edit summary (normal), but then asks me for yet another edit summary. I'm not sure who is responsible for the script, but I figured someone here either knows or could figure it out for me. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    @Bbb23: If your skin is Vector then you import User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/massRollback.js in both User:Bbb23/common.js (runs in all skins) and User:Bbb23/vector.js (runs in Vector). Only import a script once. They haven't been edited recently but there may be a recent MediaWiki change which changes what can happen if a script is loaded more than once. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:27, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Indeed, gerrit:820828 (by Krinkle) changed the behavior of importScript to no longer deduplicate loaded scripts, which is responsible for this issue as well as Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#dashes script malfunction * Pppery * it has begun... 17:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I assume then I should remove one; which?--Bbb23 (talk) 17:51, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Bbb23: You can remove either one. I generally suggest to load scripts in common.js so they still run if you change skin. A few scripts are for a specific skin but not this one. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:20, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @PrimeHunter: I very much doubt I'll ever change skins, but I suppose it beats tossing a coin. I've deleted the script, and the duplicate entries are gone. Thanks!--Bbb23 (talk) 20:41, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    anon question

    hello i am Rita Lara and I just found out that I have Indian in me and I would like to were i can register and hoe to register my grandmother was either Mayan that i can remember her talking about can you help me 2601:204:D982:3EC0:0:0:0:6FE6 (talk) 16:56, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    This help desk is for getting help with editing Wikipedia. We can't help with your question. RudolfRed (talk) 17:02, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello, Rita Lara. Try the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. Cullen328 (talk) 19:08, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    General Karl von Graffen (English)

    I have a translation of the Bio page for General Von Graffen that was translated from the German wikipedia page. I would like to update the English page but I've never created a "new" page to this extent. Q1: Can I just put in the Text without the Links to other people, places and events? Maybe I can link to the German wiki page for the links. Q2: Can I create a page and save as a Temporary page until someone can review my Formatting? Here is the German wikipedia page: de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_von_Graffen GearDown (talk) 18:09, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, GearDown. In answer to Q1: Creating an article in en-wiki that is from a translation is almost exactly the same as creating any other article in en-wiki. You still need to cite sufficient reliable sources to establish that the subject is notable. You don't get any short cuts just because the article exists elsewhere. The only differences are that you are choosing to take some of your text from an existing Wikipedia, and therefore you must attribute the source - see WP:Translation.
    The answer to Q2 is to create a draft: see your first article and articles for creation. ColinFine (talk) 18:59, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello, GearDown. English Wikipedia already has an article Karl von Graffen so your task is to expand the existing article rather than to create a new article. That is an important distinction. As ColinFine points out, you need to properly attribute anything you translate from the German Wikipedia article, which is much more detailed. Cullen328 (talk) 19:06, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Cullen328. Yes. I have already revised the English article to add a reference book just published by his granddaughter. I could revise the English version but I'm not sure how to create all the sub-headers (Life) and add to the existing Awards, as many of those have German names. I would also have to add links to every one of the German names for the awards and then add the German reference sources. Alas, I'm not well trained to do this editing. My expertise is limited to revising a Paragraph or maybe adding a photo. GearDown (talk) 19:49, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I have some concerns about the independence of his granddaughter's book as a source, GearDown, particularly in the light of this review: "Reading one of his letters home from 1941, she finds him “a macho bully, the kind of self-justifying army officer I would have vociferously challenged had he been alive”. Yet she remains desperate to “cast him as a ‘good soldier’ who obeyed orders out of a sense of duty rather than conviction”. (Reisz, Matthew (19 July 2022). "In My Grandfather's Shadow by Angela Findlay review – in search of the 'macho bully' she never knew". The Observer.). ColinFine (talk) 17:09, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @GearDown If you don't feel comfortable doing this editing, my advice is not to do it; that is, find an easier part of Wikipedua to edit. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 09:38, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Masroor_Ahmad

    HI,

    Remove this wrong information, he is not the Caliph or anyone from any nation. He is a Non Muslim spreading wrong information to the world. Please remove all his posts immediately.

    Thank you Malikbahi1 (talk) 21:24, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    YELL AT GOOGLE AND STOP SEARCHING THAT TERM. The more people like you search that term, the more established this becomes. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 21:28, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    In case it is not obvious, Malikbahl1, Jeske's reply contains a link (the blue bit) to a discussion in Wikipedia about how THIS IS NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH WIKIPEDIA, but is Google's problem. (Both Jeske and I are annoyed that somebody has been stirring up people to come and complain to Wikipedia about something WHICH IS GOOGLE's PROBLEM not Wikipedia's. ColinFine (talk) 22:33, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    NO NEED FOR ALL THE SHOUTING! — PerfectSoundWhatever (t; c) 15:21, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I'M NOT SHOUTING, YOU ARE! lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみなさい, ping me when replying 08:09, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Malikbahi1 He doesn't have any "posts" here to remove. 71.228.112.175 (talk) 09:40, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    August 20

    Image selection

    How do I display a previous version of an image from Wikimedia Commons? I made a request at Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Photography workshop to have a border removed from an image I wanted to use in HMS Aigle (1801).[[1]] The day after this was resolved, another user uploaded another version with a border and now I can't get the cropped version to display in the article. Thanks --Ykraps (talk) 08:11, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't believe that there's a way to do this, Ykraps. If both versions are to be used, they need to be separate files on Commons. ColinFine (talk) 08:36, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ykraps: You can accomplish this by downloading the version you want to your own computer, and then uploading it under a different name to Commons. On the description page of the new file, describe where it cam from (i.e., the old file, cropped), then use your new file.
    Ykraps, if the file is on Commons you can use CropTool (in the left-hand side-bar) to remove the border. Check the radio button for "upload as new file", then use your new image in the article. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:09, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Ping fail: Ykraps. I've now looked at the image. The new upload is of much better quality, but needs straightening. I'll see if I can do that in the next hour or so. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:12, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Ykraps, please see this. Is that OK? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:39, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Okay, so the answer is to create another file or crop the new image, thanks. @Justlettersandnumbers: That's great. Thank you for doing that.--Ykraps (talk) 07:41, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    @Ykraps, ColinFine, and Justlettersandnumbers: in fact, there is a way to do this without any image manipulation or fiddling in Commons; it's via a template that can select any portion of an image and display it. That's the good news. The bad news is that the template has an excruciatingly painful interface, and actually learning a new crop tool on Commons and building a cropped image with it, may be surely must be easier than figuring out how to use the $#*@**&@ template. However, that could be fixed, in time, by creating a wrapper for it with a decent interface, in which case you'd have crop & zoom at your fingertips, and border-cropped images in seconds. I've long had it on my list of things to do to create such a wrapper, and when my to-do list gets below 999, or the shouting becomes loud enough, I'll probably do it. (If you noticed that I haven't linked the template, it's only because I'm concerned for your sanity.) If you do a lot of these border-snipping, or other crop operations, come to my talk page and start yelling. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 04:23, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    All Wikipedia editing is at one's own risk anyway, so I'll be bold. It's {{CSS image crop}}. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:25, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I struggle to get my head around some of the simpler templates so I'll probably leave that well alone but thanks anyway.--Ykraps (talk) 05:36, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Mathglot, if you're short of stuff to work on, how about creating (a) a straightening tool and (b) a basic brightness/contrast/exposure tool on Commons, as simple and easy to learn as CropTool? Or just add these capabilities to that tool ... ? It's a PITA to have to download/edit/re-upload a file just to rotate it 0.5° counter-clockwise, for example. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:00, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Lol, I'll add that to the list. I've got the straightening tool almost ready for you; the only problem is, it makes the choppy seas in the HMS Aigle image look like the surface of Mirror Lake, so I think I overtuned the straightening factor. Let me try again, and get back to you... Mathglot (talk) 08:24, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Template Data Cite map

    On the page Template:Cite map/TemplateData there's an error that just says "can't find TemplateData"... can anyone find what's the error supposed to be? Thanks! BMACS1002 (talk) 15:22, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    I don't see that error, BMACS1002. But in any case, a template page itself often gives odd results because when you are looking at it, it has no arguments to interpret. ColinFine (talk) 16:20, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Reference List

    How do I get the beautiful two column reference list I see on other pages? The page I'm trying to fix is Phu Quoc Ridgeback. Annwfwn (talk) Annwfwn (talk) 15:42, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Nevermind I think I figured it out! Annwfwn (talk) 16:00, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Wikipedia pages on iPhone

    Many Wikipedia pages on my iPhone now display the introductory paragraphs of the entry, but below that just shows the article subheadings in bold black script - but there is no text below the subheading, and no hyperlink Jimlonborg (talk) 16:57, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, Jimlonborg. I am an Android user not an iPhone user, but I suggest that you scroll to the very bottom of the page and select the "Desktop" option, which should display the entire article properly. Cullen328 (talk) 18:08, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Question

    What is the meaning of organisation — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.114.216.142 (talk) 17:03, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Read Organization. Cullen328 (talk) 18:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Sir John Brereton1576-1629 (Irish Lawyer)

    I want help in removing a photo of my 10X great-grandfather (Sir John Bramston) from this Page. It is clearly described as another husband of Elizabeth Brabazon, but has been picked up on Images, other similar sites, and many Family Trees as Sir John Brereton. Having difficulty in having it removed from a member's Find A Grave Memorial, even after having sent much proof. Can you have this photo removed from Brereton's Wikipedia page? Thank-you, Ken Duncan, Vancouver, BC Sir Bramston (talk) 17:10, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    @Sir Bramston: the picture is clearly named and is clearly described in John Brereton (Irish lawyer) as being a picture of Bramston, not Brereton. Its inclusion in the article is a matter of editorial judgement and in the opinion of an editor (with which I concur) it adds to the article. Wikipedia is not responsible for the misuse of this information by others and we cannot let it affect our editorial judgement. If either party were a living person this would be different, but that is not the case. -Arch dude (talk) 17:55, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I believe that your Board should not be party to the misuse of my 10X great-grandfather's image. He has no connection to Brereton other than having been married to the same woman.
    He now appears as Brereton on Wiki Tree ?, on Images and then, due to the careless research of others, on many Family Trees.
    As it turns out, even the FAG John Brereton is the wrong John Brereton, a distant relative!
    Bramston adds nothing to Brereton's Wikipedia, he is not a relative. Would you want your photo added as well?
    For the sake of clarity, please remove the Chief Justice's portrait.
    Ken Duncan Sir Bramston (talk) 18:19, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia is not responsible for careless research and errors by others. If you mean the board of the Wikimedia Foundation, they are not involved in any way, shape or form with the content of individual articles. This is a volunteer project. How can Wikipedia be misusing your ancestor's image when there is no image of him on Wikipedia? That's not logical. If you have access to an image of the man, that could certainly be added to beginning of the article. Cullen328 (talk) 18:28, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Again, my ancestor IS Sir John Bramston, Lord Chief Justice of the King's Bench. His portrait DOES appear on the Wikipedia page for Sir John Brereton. Their only connection is having both been married to Elizabeth Brabazon of Ardee.
    Your confusion only adds to my contention that mistakes in comprehending a source are easy to make.
    A large amount of info, including several portraits, are available online about my direct ancestor, Sir John Bramston.
    Can find no portraits of either John Brereton.
    Ken Duncan Sir Bramston (talk) 18:49, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Further- If you (Wikipedia) are responsible for Wiki Wand, the portrait of Bramston again appears as Brereton. With NO labelling as to the man's identity.
    Please remove or correct.
    Ken Duncan Sir Bramston (talk) 18:31, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Sir Bramston: the filename contains Bramston's name. The image in the John Brereton (Irish lawyer) article contains Bramston's name. The image description file contains Bramston's name. That is just about as well labelled as we can get. Instead of asking us to fix this, please spend your time asking the folks that are abusing our material in the first place. -Arch dude (talk) 18:45, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    This request comes after months of contacting the FAG manager (she cannot remove posts made by others), contacting FAG who said they would investigate (nothing was done).
    I finally received a response from the photo poster, he asked for proof, which was sent. Turns out he had posted it on the wrong John Brereton. Have posted some proof on this FAG Memorial.
    He believes that Wikipedia must be correct, doesn't seem to see the labelling on Bramston.
    I AM tempted to correct many Family Trees.
    So don't assume that I have only contacted you for a solution.
    Ken Duncan Sir Bramston (talk) 18:58, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Sir Bramston: Wikipedia is not a party to the misuse of others of our site. We have no policy under which it makes sense to remove they picture of your relative from our article on another person. The only "policy" or guideline that might apply is WP:IAR, and that would require that the editors of John Brereton (Irish lawyer) reach a consensus in favor of removal. I just do not see this happening. We very frequently are accused of enabling abusers of our information. We cannot use that affect our collective editorial judgement. -Arch dude (talk) 18:39, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If in fact the person depicted in the article is not the person who married Brereton's widow, then post to the talk page of the article with some sources, because then obviously the picture should not be there. That we can help you with.
    As to all the rest, I don't even know what "FAG" might be, and as we keep telling you, we can't be responsible for other sites' incompetency. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:28, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry, FAG is Find A Grave, belonging to Ancestry.
    The photo of Bramston IS the person once married to Brereton's widow. Just NOT THIS Brereton! I Am attempting to have this corrected.
    It would be simpler to talk to only ONE volunteer about a single matter.
    I am now informed that you are Volunteers.
    This would explain the sometimes cavalier and once accusatory attitude I have experienced. No boss or paycheque to worry about.
    Only an upset descendant.
    This will be my final response to you on this matter.
    Ken Duncan Sir Bramston (talk) 20:37, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Furthermore, removing the image from the John Brereton (Irish lawyer) Wikipedia page (if that is what you are requesting) would not affect any other site, such as Find A Grave. The image is hosted on Wikimedia Commons and would remain there even if removed from the Wikipedia article. But even removing it from Commons would have no effect if other sites have made a copy of it. CodeTalker (talk) 19:36, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    But I mean on the merits...

    So, in the article John Brereton (Irish lawyer) we give the info that his wife dated some guy before she married Brereton, then married that guy after Brereton died, and fine; appropriate info, particularly since she (Brereton's wife) was related to bluelinked people.

    But I mean would we normally have a picture? For John Smith, would we have "Here's picture of a guy Smith's wife dated and later married. He never met Smith and doesn't have anything to do with this article really, but whatever." Text to that effect, fine, but a picture?

    As to "We don't give a tinker's dam if misinformation is spread around the internet because of us, cos we didn't break any of our internal rules", enh, I'm not seeing great virtue in that either.

    Considering both of these are in play (altho I recognize that only the first will have traction here) I've BOLDly removed the picture from the article. Of course anyone can revert that, but further discussion should probably be on the article talk page. Herostratus (talk) 23:54, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Herostratus,
    At last a common sense decision. I thank you!
    This will ensure that other members of this huge family, will not be able to promote incorrect information.
    I have "suggested" to the FAG Manager of the John Brereton never married to my 10x step great-grandmother, his actual wife's identity.
    I have removed all mention of her from the wrong FAG.
    I have authored a FAG for the correct John Brereton, including my ancestors FAG number. (I realize FAG is not your site)
    I now will attempt to have John Bramston's portrait removed from Wiki Wand, any connection?
    Again, thanks,
    Ken Duncan, Vancouver, BC Sir Bramston (talk) 01:15, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Sir Bramston, WikiWand is not a WP:WMF project. In other words, no, no connection. 97.126.103.107 (talk) 01:49, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    August 21

    Uploading an image

    I have a good friend of mine, I won't say he's technically illiterate, but he can't really be bothered about going through the process of making a flickr account nor using the commons file upload wizard, and I asked if it was okay to upload his photos. He said it's okay, so which creative commons license should I use? CC-BY-2.0? Thanks X-750 List of articles that I have screwed over 23:37, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    @X750, just to make sure we're all on the same page - he is going to email permission to Commons for the images to be used, correct? 97.126.103.107 (talk) 00:03, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    No, I did not mention that to him. X-750 List of articles that I have screwed over 00:09, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello, X750. Only the copyright holder can freely license their photos. It is a legal transaction that cannot be casually delegated to another person. Cullen328 (talk) 00:16, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Sigh... okay Cullen328 I'll get him to mail the VRT. X-750 List of articles that I have screwed over 00:20, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Please!

    Please, I'm so sorry. I accidentally messed up the page for "The Invasion" album by P-Square. I'm so sorry. Please help me fix it, I'm begging you. Please help me. 2600:1700:B8F0:7250:AD99:CFCF:64AE:2D23 (talk) 01:19, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    I reverted it. weeklyd3 (block | talk | contributions) 01:21, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Is this website is suitable for reliability?

    I want to know like this website reliability. It seems has information about celebrity personal life and professional career whenever you search. The Supermind (talk) 08:11, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    The Supermind You might try the reliable sources noticeboard for this sort of discussion. 331dot (talk) 08:12, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I had a look at https://www.datingcelebs.com/ and the answer is no, it doesn't look reliable by a wide margin.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:19, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Without actually looking at the site, my rule of thumb is that any website with "celeb" in the url is very unlikely to be WP:RS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:57, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    How to make article entitle as "Maniklal Sinha" de-orphan ?

    This article is an orphan, as no other articles. some reviewer says and tag it as orphan. As per there report there is no incoming link in that time. But right now there are more than 3 links so please cheek it whether it is still orphan or not. And also guide me. Srikrishna1960 (talk) 09:45, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Hello, Srikirshna1960. I have removed the tag, as there are indeed now incoming links. There was a link (Learn how and when to remove these template messages) that you could have followed to find out how to remove it yourself. ColinFine (talk) 10:06, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Proposed Text Revision of en.Wikipedia's "No. 25 Squadron RAAF" Website $ Uploading of 2 Photos

    To Wikipedia Help Desk with cc’s to Ruthven, Yann and Nick-D “Talk” pages

    Hi Wiki Help Desk

    1. I have placed a proposed revision of the text of en.Wikipedia’s No. 25 Squadron RAAF website with supporting additional footnotes in Wiki’s format onto the webpage’s “Talk” section.

    For convenience the text’s revised sections are underlined.

    2. As suggested by Wiki Commons Information Team Member JJ Clark by email on 18 Aug I have also re-uploaded 2 over 50 year-old RAAF photos onto en.Wikipedia’s No. 25 Squadron RAAF website using jpeg files and the {{PD-AustraliaGov}} template, being

    ([[File:No. 25Squadron B-24 Liberator over Netherlands East Indies (aka the DEI - now Indonesia) cMarch-August 1945.jpg|thumb|No. 25Squadron B-24 Liberator over Netherlands East Indies (aka the DEI - now Indonesia) cMarch-August 1945]] and

    [[File:25SQNPhotoatRAAFDarwinCampJune1967withC130A Hercules transport aircraft.jpg|25SQNPhotoatRAAFDarwinCampJune1967withC130A Hercules transport aircraft]]

    As a not too computer literate, nearly 80 year-old ‘user’ I hope not to invoke any further Wikis censures or deletions so request any advice or comment you or any Wiki adminstrators’ (including the 3 receiving cc’s of this email on their “Talk” pages) are willing to offer about the acceptability/suitability of 1. and  2. above is requested and would be appreciated.

    Wiki User Shellac41  21 August 2022 ~~~~

    Shellac41 (talk) 09:51, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    @Shellac41: Hi there! Thank you for posting your suggestion at Talk:No. 25 Squadron RAAF. You have received a response there. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:06, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Notification of lawsuit against the Wikimedia Foundation from anonymous editor at Multiverse, Data and other articles: Discussion of place and time

    Trolling nonsense
    Hello, I am a lawyer of the anonymous editor who has been editing the pages Multiverse, Data, Atomism, Quantum theory, David Popovici and many, many, many others. I am editing through the official Romania lawsuit firm located in Bucharest and I want to compromise the best place and time where this lawsuit can take place, i.e. the court. If you have any questions, contact me at (Redacted). Legal Federation & Supreme Court of Bucharest, Romania (talk) 10:55, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I forgot to say my name is Michael McBobguard. You can call me Mike. Legal Federation & Supreme Court of Bucharest, Romania (talk) 10:56, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia:No legal threats. AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:01, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia is not the place to be making legal threats, nobody will take you seriously. N1TH Music (talk) 16:12, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    The user was given suggestions on how to change their username on their talk page. Shouldn't they be soft-blocked? 71.228.112.175 (talk) 04:52, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Db-R2

    Urm, why has this hapenned here. Can I not put a Db-R2 on a draft, it fits the criteria, it should not exist, right? N1TH Music (talk) 16:10, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    @N1TH Music: Template:Db-r2 is only for use on articles. See Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#R2. A redirect "from X to Y" means that page X contains the redirect and clicking on X takes you to page Y. When a draft is moved to an article, a redirect is automatically left behind and not subject to speedy deletion. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:02, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    (edit conflict) @N1TH Music: Hi there! {{Db-R2}} states "This template may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion as a redirect from the main/article space..." (emphasis added). Your draft is a redirect from the draftspace to the main/article space. GoingBatty (talk) 17:04, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Translation of "Peren-Theorem" into English

    Hello, I have just registered for Wikipedia, so everything is kind of new to me. I would like to translate the existing German article "Peren-Thereom" into English. I'vre read a few guidelines, but couldn't manage to find the right approach. Which steps do I have to make in order to succeed with the translation? I have already written the the English text. Thanks in advance. Nawouzy (talk) 17:13, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    @Nawouzy: Hi there! Have you read Wikipedia:Translation and tried the Wikipedia:Content translation tool? You can also try the process at Help:Your first article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:16, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think the Content Translation tool is available to new editors, GoingBatty.
    Welcome, Nawouzy. The thing about translating an article from another Wikipedia is that it is not necessarily much easier than writing one from scratch, because you often still have to do the unseen 90% of the work which is finding the appropriate sources to establish that the subject meets English Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Sometimes the sources are already there, particularly on a strict edition such as the German Wikipedia; but in this case, I'm afraid that de:Peren-Theorem does not have a single independent source. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.
    This means that you would need to start by finding several articles or books, not by Peren or his associates, which discuss his theorem. If you can find some, then an article may be possible - but it should be based almost entirely on those indepndent sources, not directly on Peren's work; so I'm not sure that the de-wiki article would be of much help, though you could certainly use the text if it is appropriate (attributing it as required). ColinFine (talk) 18:39, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Cascade-protected with edit button

    Tracked in Phabricator
    Task T13700

    After finding an error in the OTD section of the Main Page, I went looking for the history of the page where the error exists and ended up reaching Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/August 21. No surprise, it's cascade protected, so I can't edit it. Why, then, does the page have a normal "edit" button instead of the "view source" button that generally appears on protected pages? At first I figured an administrator had forgotten to protect it, leaving a Main Page component vulnerable to vandalism. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 22:07, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    This is phab:T13700. According to Robchurch, former developer of the software: checking cascade protection status is quite an expensive operation, so we avoid doing it when it's not needed, i.e. on page views - when the edit operation commences, we do a full check. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:00, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    By the way, the "Edit" button and "View source" button go to the same url with action=edit. When the edit operation commences, the software doesn't care what the button said, or whether a button was used. It only cares whether you have permission to edit the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:22, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    August 22

    How can I disable automatic log in on other wikipedia language versions or is it possible to delete such accounts?

    It is extremely annoying that wikipedia creates a new account when I click another language website and I do not want those attached to my account I have 0 relation to them except for looking for images to add a page, I can't find a button to disable this feature and there is no way to delete, is it possible to delete accounts that logged in on other language wikipedias that I have no contributions thanks. Qwea1 (talk) 00:24, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    This is a consequence of m:Single unified login and it is impossible to delete Wikipedia accounts for technical and legal reasons. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 00:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, Is theres a setting to disable single unified login or only solution is logging out? I looked through my preferences but can't find any. Qwea1 (talk) 01:28, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello, Qwea1. You only have one account. Visiting another Wikimedia project does not create another account. Cullen328 (talk) 01:33, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    That's a matter of definition. It creates a local account in our own terminology and this has some consequences, e.g. the possibility of unwanted welcome posts and notifications. I have a proposal at meta:Welcoming policy to avoid this. It also reveals which Wikimedia wikis you have visited while logged in, and when you first did it: Special:CentralAuth/PrimeHunter. I can understand it annoys some users. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:34, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Qwea1 AFAIK I recommended someone with the same question of how to disable central login to block cookies for login.wikimedia.org some time ago and it worked, no clue if it still does. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:43, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Replace a citation

    I noticed a citation that is used multiple times on an article refers to an outdated URL. Is there a way to just replace the citation with the new, working link or do I need to manually cite the new link everywhere the outdated citation is used? Crushedoreos (talk) 08:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    If a citation is reused it should be named, in which case the citation is defined in only in one place (starting with "<ref name=somename>" rather than simply "<ref>", followed by the actual citation). Additional uses of that ref just consist of "<ref name=somename/>" . It's a good idea to link to the article in question so we can what you are discussing. Meters (talk) 08:41, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    See WP:NAMEDREFS Meters (talk) 08:49, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, I was able to successfully replace the citation. Crushedoreos (talk) 10:17, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

    Ref number 37 is wrong. Please fix as I cannot. Thanks 49.198.41.28 (talk) 10:02, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

     Done. Removed a stray pipe character ('|') ColinFine (talk) 10:06, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Changed definition

    Congratulations. You changed the definition of recession and are now corrupt. Nothing on this site can be trusted and is now garbage. Good job. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:F1DF:CF40:43D:40E6:E587:F6F3 (talk) 10:18, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    At the risk of feeding a troll, I'll just say that Talk:Recession#ATTENTION_NEW_VISITORS_TO_THIS_PAGE is worth a read. Girth Summit (blether) 10:28, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Here's an off-WP opinion: How a False Claim About Wikipedia Sparked a Right-Wing Media Frenzy Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:48, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Ivins-Conover House

    I am trying to write a wiki page for an ancestral house that is on the New Jersey register of historic places. No one has written about it yet and I have collected a lot of info over the years. I am highly educated but not tech savvy. My question is:

    How do I edit my two References without highlighting them and having them completely erased when I backspace? All I want to do is to write the word “References”at the top to replace the floating #2 and then replace the letters in red in each reference and make sure each reference has a date.

    I have tried everything to no avail. Visual editing only changes the format of the page completely and still causes a highlight. Source editing doesn’t work at all. You may also want to know that because I am disabled I only have access to an iPad. You may also want to know that I had to generate the web references manually because the automatic set up wouldn’t work. Which puzzles me because it seems to have worked for the listings for the other houses in the state register. Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated. JillerMc (talk) 13:52, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    @JillerMc: Hi there! I presume you are referring to User:JillerMc/sandbox/Ivins-Conover House. I added a References section and added a title to your first reference. Your second reference is a link to a Wikipedia article, and we don't use Wikipedia articles as references per WP:CIRCULAR.
    Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. If you haven't done so already, I suggest you review the materials at Help:Introduction. For your new article, I suggest you gather multiple independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the house, and then follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include waiting for review, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:10, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Special:WhatLinksHere/Ivins-Conover House shows that it has more than New Jersey historic status. It appears at National Register of Historic Places listings in Burlington County, New Jersey. You can ask for help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places where they concentrate on American historic sites. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 22:06, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Notifing members in a WikiProject

    I'm trying to gather response at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Vital Articles#Preparation and I want all of the Vital WikiProject's members to know about this. However, I don't really want to use MassMessage or ping for this as I think this is too intrusive and annoying. What should I do instead? CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 15:58, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    CactiStaccingCrane Speaking as someone interested in various projects, I put the key talk pages on my watchlist and always check when something new is posted. I would assume that anyone interested in that "Vital Articles" project would already be alert to your posting and there is no need for you to do much more than wait a bit. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:27, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Article Suggests/Advices

    Hi, I'm Tuna Kuşdemir who is student of METU. I was wondering that can I see article advices on my page or somewhere. For example, in many platforms, there are customized article advices depend on choices related to your interests. I want to see interesting articles, experiments, or articles which are customed depend on my choices. Is there a system like that? Thanks. Tunakusdemir (talk) 20:07, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    @Tunakusdemir: Not too sure (I've never used the Wikipedia app before), but I think the app has a "suggested article" feature. If you want it, here are the download links: Android, iOS. Weeklyd3 (talk) 23:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Tunakusdemir: that is an interesting question. Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia (see WP:NOT), we are not focused on topical stuff the way social media is, and since we do not do targeted advertising, we have no incentive to try to track your interests and are philosophically opposed to tracking. Therefore, the analogies are fairly weak. We do have at least two mechanisms that might work for you: categories and Wikiprojects. If an article attracts your interest, look at its categories (at the bottom of the article). go to interesting categories and browse some of the other articles in the category. Similarly, an article you like may be of interest to one or more wikiprojects: these are usually listed on the article's talk page. My own preference is primarily to click on links from interesting articles to find other interesting articles. -Arch dude (talk) 01:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Tag for source using Wikipedia as a source

    Is there a template to put with a source that uses Wikipedia as a source? I am looking at [1] in Boat. The source clearly states that some information comes from Wikipedia.

    Or should I just go ahead and delete the reference as it is not an RS? I reckon I can find a source that handles that part of the article better (may need the text to say something different), but it will take a little time to do. So the original intent of the tag is to indicate that fixing the problem is a work in progress. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 21:34, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Looking further, the source in question is not an RS for more than one reason. Additionally, it appears to be a blog created by one individual. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 21:38, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    References

    1. ^ Vaucher, Jean (2012-01-08). "Prehistoric Craft". Université de Montréal. Retrieved 2021-08-18.
    ThoughtIdRetired, the iro.umontreal.ca source you point to smacks of work by an undergraduate (and not an intellectually scintillating undergraduate either). If you take out the content from Wikipedia, what you have left still isn't reliable. Just remove the reference (and anything like it). But for future application, please see Wikipedia:Template index/Sources_of_articles. -- Hoary (talk) 01:16, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Update request

    Indian Actress Sridevi got Filmfare award for best actress category in 2013 for 1986 and 1987 but this development is not mentioned in sridevi wikipedia and film fare best actress wiki. request you to update this information. 122.161.91.176 (talk) 04:05, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Hi IP 122.161.91.176. Are you asking about the article Sridevi? If you are, then there are two options you can follow. The first one would be to make the desired edits yourself. It's appears that the article might be currently under a type of protection called pending changes. Articles protected as such can still be edited by IP accounts, but the edit will remained "unofficial" so to speak until it is accepted by pending changes reviewer. So, if you are WP:BOLD, make the edit yourself and support the changes you make with citation to a reliable source so that it can be verified, a pending changes editor may accept the edit if it's otherwise in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. If you make the edit and don't provide any citations to a reliable source in support or there are other problems with the edit, the pending changes reviewer may try and fix the edit themselves or may decline the edit. If the edit is declined, you would probably be better off starting a discussion on the article's talk page about the change you want made instead of trying to make the same edit again. The other option basically involves you being WP:CAUTIOUS and first proposing the edit on the article's talk page (as an edit request) to see what others might think. In this case as well, you're going to be expected to provide some way for others to verify the details of the edit and usually this is done by adding a link to a reliable source that supports the edit. If you simply post something like "Please make this change" without providing any way for the edit to be verified, then there's a good chance of your request being declined since it can't be verified. Which option you choose is up to you, but the WP:BURDEN of providing a way to verify the changes you want made also falls upon you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:33, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    I seek an inline double-brace tool that displays language type and a translated word

    I'm trying to find a certain Wikipedia inline textual tool which provides the translation (into English, in this case) of a foreign word, with the language listed before the translated word.

    The tool's inline format is similar to {{language|translated word}} (that is my conjectural reconstruction of it, and it is missing some part) and has an output such as

    ...she told us that le chat (English: the cat) knew that mice love fromage (English: cheese), so the feline...

    I have found a similar tool, and its form is {{lang|language type|translated word}} with output such as

    ...if dogs had been chasing le chat (the cat) through their neighborhood...

    but that is not the tool I seek, although it is similar.

    If someone can identify the tool that I want, and direct me to the same, I would appreciate the assistance. —catsmoke talk 07:42, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Adding (defunct) to inactive websites

    Hi

    I want to know if it is right to add "(defunct)" or "defunct" to the official websites mentioned at the external links sections of articles.

    Example from Pride and Prejudice and Zombies (film): Official website defunct

    If the answer is no, then how we should mention that the link is not active anymore? Example Zachary Levi: Official website

    Cheers Shkuru Afshar (talk) 09:04, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    When something in the body of an article cites a website as a source of information, and afterwards that site goes offline, then it is important to note that the website is offline. But since none of the information in an article is directly dependent upon any of those External links-section links for reference (if it were, the link would have already been cited), the solution is to completely remove the link from the post-article list of External links. In the case of your Pride and Prejudice and Zombies link, that link should be removed from the article's External links list. —catsmoke talk 09:12, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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