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New Jersey maps

I've noticed you have been adding mapframe maps to various New Jersey road articles. You may wanna take a look at the formatting of the additions as it is causing glitches in the infobox. Dough4872 22:31, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing! I've been looking for a way to fix this, and have asked the help desk for advice. If you can figure out a way to fix this, please let me know! BMACS1002 (talk) 00:06, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

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Maps

You've recently added two maps, File:New England Road System.svg and File:NJ Numbered Roads 1927.svg. I've removed them from their respective articles because the maps are incomplete. They're just lines for roads and lack any sort of context. They really need landforms added, the ocean, etc. Imzadi 1979 → 06:33, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern! I completely agree that a map with no context is generally hard to look at, but I don't know of any way to do so, as I can't find a way to match the geodata with any political boundaries, and then turn that into an image. Can you point me to some resources to be able to make these useful? After all, especially on mobile browsers, maps aren't supported. Cheers! BMACS1002 (talk) 22:28, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Another thing, I noticed the map you inserted into Interstate 69 does not show. Needforspeed888 (talk) 03:16, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

You accidentally inserted a map of NY 110 into New York State Route 111. Needforspeed888 (talk) 00:20, 30 July 2020 (UTC) The map on New York State Route 107 also appears inaccurate.Needforspeed888 (talk) 00:41, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I've fixed NY 111, but what are you on about re:107? I've cross-referenced with the Route Description and the original map and it checks out. Anything specific that needs fixing? BMACS1002 (talk) 13:51, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

I just checked, NY 107 is fine now. Needforspeed888 (talk) 14:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

New York State Route 24

The highway is not highlighted in the map you inserted. Needforspeed888 (talk) 01:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Clicking on the map shows that it's there... must be a bug BMACS1002 (talk) 13:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Comment 3 months later, the file [1] appeared to have been built using "GeometryCollection" which may have been causing this specific issue. I reworked the file to use "FeatureCollection" (also fixed up the lines to match the route description and ran a simplification in QGIS to reduce overall file size) which I use for creating other files. The NY 24 article's map appears to be working now without the need to open up the interactive map window. —Mr. Matté (^Talk/_Contrib) 14:15, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Why would GeometryCollection cause that sort of problem? Should I stop using it on maps in Commons? Also, didn't know about QGIS's vector simplification, I should try it sometime... BMACS1002 (talk) 15:15, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Don't know why it would cause it but I think it's what is causing the non-display. Another example of it occurring I found is on the County Route 549 (New Jersey) article (.map file) where the two spur routes are within a "GeometryCollection" but do not appear in the infobox without clicking on the map itself. For the record, the QGIS simplification function works on KML files. I manually extracted the coordinates from the [a,b],[x,y] JSON format to the a,b x,y KML format, made edits in Google Earth, simplified it in QGIS, then extracted/converted the coordinates back to JSON. —Mr. Matté (^Talk/_Contrib) 19:00, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

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OSM External Data

You are referencing in your various deletion requests of map linework "OSM External Data." What will be exactly going on this? Will there be the opportunity for making more customized maps in special cases (such as NJ Route 171 which has a current signed and designated portion and a former part in New Brunswick)? —Mr. Matté (^Talk/_Contrib) 21:56, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Kartographer allows for using data pulled directly from OpenStreetMap. The data's collected by linking objects on OpenStreetMap to Wikidata IDs, and then pulled and stored somewhere else on Wikimedia servers. As far as I can tell, there's no page on which the raw numbers can be accessed; instead, the data is retrieved in Kartographer by calling those IDs, as shown on the page linked above. Since the data being pulled from OSM can't be discriminated beyond the ID, it seems to be common practice to only link the main route for any given Wikidata ID (in this case, though the northern bit of NJ 171 still should be included in the final map, the system has no way to distinguish both the old and current portions, and so only the current southern portion is tagged on OSM, and only the southern portion is stored on Wikimedia's servers). In this system, there's still opportunities to have more customized maps as needed for individual pages that warrant it. In those cases, the Kartographer extension is quite useful for mixing and matching data. To execute them, I'd have separate pages for the custom data to be layered onto maps as required; in the case of NJ 171, remove the existing data that shows the highway as it currently exists, leaving only the decommissioned section on Commons and migrating it to a page called "Old NJ 171.map" or whatever, and then using the Kartographer templates to combine the two as shown here. However, the vast majority of existing pages that only have routes as they currently exist don't need to live in both Commons and wherever the data from OSM is being pulled from, which is why I'm proposing deleting these pages. BMACS1002 (talk) 22:24, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Interstate 287

The new map you inserted works when you click on it, but it still just appears as a world map in the infobox. Needforspeed888 (talk) 21:32, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

That does seem to be a bug in Kartographer, but in my experience it usually clears out in a day or so. It would seem a bad idea for us to switch it back right now just because if we were to revert back for a day Wikipedia's admins would get involved because it would be enough undos to pique their interest, so I suggest waiting this one out

Tagging pages for deletion

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Just a reminder that when you tag a page for deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/CFD/TFD/etc.), you should post a notice informing the page creator on their talk page. If you use Twinkle, the program does this automatically for you when you tag a page once you set up your Preferences and makes it very easy. Thanks! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:56, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know!BMACS1002 (talk) 13:53, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

I was just coming to your talk page to post a message like this and found I already had, BMACS1002. You didn't do this when you tagged Wikipedia:Map data/Wikipedia KML/New York State Route 67. Please post a talk page notice to the page creator every single time you tag a page, okay? Use Twinkle...it works great. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:05, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

US 219 in New York

The map has a small error, there is a gap in the route just south of NY 17 that needs to be fixed. Thanks -420Traveler (talk) 04:59, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

I've fixed this in the OSM editor, but haven't uploaded the changes yet. Once I've uploaded it, it should be fixed in a few days. Thanks for your concern. BMACS1002 (talk) 14:10, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Also NY 12D's northern terminus is incorrect on your new map, and NY 56's northern end shows it following NY 970C instead, of ending at NY 37? Slow down and get them fixed. 420Traveler (talk) 22:02, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing these issues to my attention. These errors are the result of OpenStreetMap's data incorrectly including, or not including, features in road route relationships, and are result of mistakes on the part of contributors to OpenStreetMap. What I have been doing over the past few weeks is attaching Wikidata to these relationships in OpenStreetMap to allowing Wikipedia to use OSM's data. I have not been adding Wikidata to individual roads, but instead to the relationships that OSM groups routes together with, and errors already present on OSM will then become apparent on these maps. I will fix the errors in OSM that you've brought to me. If you see any further issues in these maps, I invite you to fix the problems yourself by including or excluding the features necessary in OpenStreetMap so that the maps can be accurate on Wikipedia's end- after all, Wikipedia invites all of us to be bold and fix things that are broken when we see them. BMACS1002 (talk) 22:18, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Ok, no problem. I have been trying to fix some problems myself. But also you should make sure each routes map is correct, as you create them, rather than jumping on to another route. I do thank you for updating the maps. Thanks -420Traveler (talk) 23:13, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Interstate 781 map has a couple errors and New York State Route 254's western terminus has an error.420Traveler (talk) 20:36, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, just fixed it. If you see errors in any main routes sourced from Commons don't worry about them, I'm replacing them with OSM data in the near future. BMACS1002 (talk) 20:44, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

No problem. Ok thanks for that heads up. Also the New York State Route 10 map shows NY 10A Highlighted in Blue and Red. Thanks-420Traveler (talk) 20:51, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

New York State Route 914T's map shows NY 915B highlighted too.420Traveler (talk) 17:01, 18 February 2021 (UTC) Also the new maps you are making have straight lines and when you zoom in to follow route it isn't on the route at all in most places??420Traveler (talk) 17:06, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know! And yes, there's a ridiculous amount of simplification that Wikimedia maps does on OSM data, and perhaps in the future if Wikimedia has more servers to spare it would make more sense to have more accurate maps they'll change their code to reduce the simplification. However, I do think that the upsides to using this method of mapping outweigh the costs. BMACS1002 (talk) 17:33, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Map deletion

I declined the speedy deletion of Wikipedia:Map data/Wikipedia KML/New York State Route 52 as I don't believe it being obsolete is routine maintenance under G6 and it does not fit any other criteria. This should go to WP:MFD. Fences&Windows 17:29, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Fair enough. Out of curiosity, though, I had requested a deletion for a similar page NY 67 for the same reason, and it got deleted by someone else. Could there any reason why they might have deleted it when you didn't? BMACS1002 (talk) 19:18, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Fastily was probably bending the rules, unless I'm reading the criteria wrong. If you want to delete this one too, Fastily, go ahead. Fences&Windows 00:02, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, IAR. IMO deprecation for a purely technical reason didn't seem like a worthwhile topic for MfD. -FASTILY 00:26, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Interstate 376

The portion of I-376 maintained by the PTC is missing from the map. Needforspeed888 (talk) 15:45, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Huh, I thought I'd fixed that. It should be ok in the next few days. BMACS1002 (talk) 18:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Interstate 95 in New Jersey

The map erroneously identifies the Western Spur of the NJTP as part of the mainline of I-95, when in reality I-95 follows the Eastern Spur. Needforspeed888 (talk) 13:09, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Route 999

The map you inserted in March still isn’t appearing. Needforspeed888 (talk) 14:58, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Halsey Street (Newark)

Halsey Street in Newark is actually in two segments/sections/parts, the southern one not shown on map you've inserted. Djflem (talk) 19:30, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Got it, changes will be up

NY Route 10

Check the NY Route 10 article, the map you added isn't correct. -420Traveler (talk) 04:20, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Is there a specific section of the route that isn't up to snuff? I can fix it, or you can dive into OSM to work it yourself if you've got the time BMACS1002 (talk) 16:25, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

@BMACS1002: Maps you made for NY10 are still not fixed!? Also NY29, NY28A ect maps dont work or are wrong. You need to go back amd fix these. -420Traveler (talk) 15:37, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

@420Traveler: Again, what specifically needs to be fixed?! I don't know what to fix if you can't give me specifics. If you're referring to the functionality of these things not working, I've noticed that's a problem system-wide, and I've submitted it as a bug report, which hopefully gets sorted out soon. If the map shows one route when the route should go another direction, you need to be more specific about that. BMACS1002 (talk) 16:51, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

@BMACS1002: Just go look at each one I mentioned. But I'll describe it to you as well: NY10 map shows only NY10A on map, NY29 map shows only NY920C, NY28A shows nothing. NY28A might be a bug, but the NY10 and NY29 dont seem to be. All these maps were working fine before you changed them all. When I make a maplink map, I always make sure its working before rushing to make the next one. -420Traveler (talk) 17:09, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

@420Traveler: Thanks for being more clear! When I made these maps, they were all originally intact, but there's been something happening in the past few months that have deleted OSM data from Wikimedia's servers where there once was data present (I think). So these problems have manifested after I made my edits. As for why some things appear and some don't, it's because it's a mixture of OSM and Commons data. I'm taking these bugs up in Phabricator, so hopefully this gets resolved soon. If you know of how to speed something like this up, your help would be greatly appreciated! In the meantime, I simply don't have the time to go through and change back the thousands of edits I've made, so if we were to mass-migrate over to Commons data, I'd need to not be the only one making patches- it'd need to be a team effort. Also I saw you posted on US Roads how to deal with this going forward, so hopefully the community can reach a consensus on what to do as we get more information. BMACS1002 (talk) 19:03, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

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Hartford and New Haven Railroad map

Hi BMACS1002,

Thanks for adding that map to Hartford and New Haven Railroad. However, I've noticed that trying to view the map in detail does not work. When you click on the map, it just takes you to a blank map of the entire world (the mapped out lines no longer appear). Do you know how to correct this so you can actually view the map in detail? Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:51, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Yeah sorry about that- I had mistakenly labelled it as just the Hartford and Springfield, but when I noticed it and moved the map page I forgot to change the link on the main page. All fixed now! BMACS1002 (talk) 16:53, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Great, thanks! These maps really are a positive contribution. I know in particular Providence and Worcester Railroad is in need of a map, but in general there's dozens of articles where these would be immensely helpful to readers. Thank you for adding them. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:02, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Funny you mention that... BMACS1002 (talk) 17:04, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

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	For your excellent work adding OSM maps to articles. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 03:17, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Railroad maps

I greatly appreciate the railroad maps you've been adding - they're an excellent addition to the articles. I have noticed a few errors:

• The Union Freight Railroad turned north at Haverhill Street (see 1938 map) and did not run west to Cambridge Street. At the south end, it entered the rail yard at South Station directly from Atlantic Avenue.
• The Providence, Warren and Bristol Railroad is missing the branch to Fall River
• The Granite Railway ran a bit further north than marked on your map to a still-extant wharf at 42.271743°N 71.051656°W / 42.271743; -71.051656
• The Dorchester and Milton Branch Railroad ran northeast from Butler to Neponset (see map); that portion of the right-of-way is now largely the Neponset River Trail. The portion running north from Butler through Ashmont (now used by the MBTA Red Line) was a separate line, the Shawmut Branch Railroad.

All of these are easy errors to make, especially since it's often difficult to find accurate maps to work with, and I don't want you to get discouraged. Some errors I may be able to fix myself, but others I may need you to fix. What's the best way to alert you when there's an error - post here, temporarily revert with an edit summary explaining the error, something else? Cheers, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:02, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Posting here's fine- I see no point in making a temporary revert. Thanks for letting me know about these errors- the ICC Valuations can be pretty vague sometimes! BMACS1002 (talk) 12:21, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Can you find any evidence that the Fall River, Warren and Providence was operated by the Providence, Warren and Bristol? The FRW&P was operated by the Old Colony after 1875, so unless there's evidence for the PW&B operating it I don't see the point to adding it to the map... BMACS1002 (talk) 12:33, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Sounds good, thanks. I didn't see that the Fall River, Warren and Providence Railroad had a separate article. I'll probably merge the two eventually - they were operated as a single line after 1891 - but the current situation is correct for now. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 18:19, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

P&W Map

Hi BMACS1002,

Thanks for the map at Providence and Worcester Railroad. You may have noticed User:Berrely edit conflicted with you on Commons. He and I have been coordinating (at WP:DISCORD) making a map for the current extent of the P&W, which is many times greater than the original lines (PW website has a map). To this end, we've been editing the OSM relation [2] which is most of the way there, but missing trackage rights on the Northeast Corridor and the Hell Gate Bridge between Attleboro, MA, and Fresh Pond Junction in NYC, along with trackage rights on the Waterbury Branch between Devon and Derby/Shelton; between Derby and Danbury over the Housatonic Railroad, and over the Danbury Branch from Danbury to South Norwalk.

I think it would be useful to have maps both of the original lines and the current ones; the article is certainly long enough to fit both. Any interest in helping out? Trainsandotherthings (talk) 02:07, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Sure, I'll help out! I've got some errors on my recent work to patch up first though. I've just joined the Discord so feel free to find me there! BMACS1002 (talk) 12:17, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Some more maps

I've made OSM relations for the Moshassuck Valley Railroad, Wood River Branch Railroad, and Branford Steam Railroad. Could you import those as commons data files and add them to the respective articles? Thanks for your work in importing all these maps.

Also, the Providence and Worcester Railroad map has been set to show the extents of the present P&W, which means what's showing up on the New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad map isn't quite right (the NH map is pulling from the P&W relation). This can be fixed by pulling from the "Worcester Line" and the "Valley Falls & East Providence Line" relations instead. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 03:29, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Sure thing! Couple of things tho- firstly, you do know about Wikimedia's ability to automatically import from OSM? I can't imagine you wouldn't, but in case you don't more info here. But if you do, are you just not using it bc it's still buggy? I'm a big proponent of using it to simplify the workload (only have to edit things on OSM for them to update on Wikimedia), but if the consensus is it's still as buggy as last year then I'll go ahead and import them properly instead of using that function (tho for the Moshassuck it's weird, the data's in the system but it's not converting to JSON properly for some reason). Also, when I was making the Providence and Worcester, I fully knew that the line's been expanded over the years, but the reason I'm importing them to Commons instead of using the auto-import is so that I can also show the companies that constructed the lines, so that it's easier to dissect who owned what (especially re: the ICC Valuations of the 1910's). I was hoping that y'all would use the auto-import when doing the modern line, but I guess not. I've ported the version that I made to another Commons page, so that's all sorted now! BMACS1002 (talk) 13:48, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

I actually had no idea it was that easy, I had assumed it was a difficult process. I'll keep that in mind for the future, thanks for letting me know!

As for the Moshassuck Valley, I just created that relation yesterday so that may have something to do with it not working right. And I apologize for messing you up with the P&W data. I'll do my best to ensure that doesn't happen again, although I can't think of many other cases that would happen (besides the Housatonic Railroad and Naugatuck Railroad, as unrelated companies of the same name exist today).

Also, the Branford Steam Railroad map doesn't seem to be working right now. I'm not sure what the problem is, the relation has the exact same name as the article (I linked it to the wikidata item on OSM a month ago). Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:14, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Yeah, the auto-import can be buggy sometimes, but I say we leave the Branford up as is, I think it'll sort itself in due course. And people can click on it anyways and they can see it just fine that way. BMACS1002 (talk) 15:28, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

At least for me, clicking on it doesn't work right now. I just get a blank map of the entire world. But maybe it will sort itself out soon? The other two (Moshassuck, Wood River) work if you click on them. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:41, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

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Sydney and Louisburg Railway.map

Your new Sydney and Louisburg Railway.map is a great addition to the Sydney and Louisburg Railway Wikipedia page, but is there a way to add a caption or legend to explain the difference between the purple and red lines on your map? I'm assuming the purple line is the earlier railway line which was built from the mines at Reserve to Louisbourg in 1877. Reportedly this line was poorly built and was soon lost to a forest fire. Ken Heaton (talk) 15:47, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, if you add a ‘map_caption’ parameter to the Infobox template it should do the trick… but don’t take my word on literally anything in that map. I’m kinda disappointed that I couldn’t get anything concrete on what lines were used by what and when, all I know is that the pink lines were used earlier, and the red lines later… and even then I’m not sure about that. But it’s a start, and hopefully people who know better can confirm or deny my assumptions! BMACS1002 (talk) 03:59, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

There was a book produced about the Sydney and Louisburg Railway, 110 or so pages, titled 'Tracks Across the Landscape, The S&L Commemorative History', By Brian Campbell, Andrew John Bayly Johnston · 1995. There are several copies in the local library. I'll borrow one today and see what is in there. If there seems to be anything good in there (there should be, A.J.B. Johnston was a Historian at the Fortress of Lousibourg for much of his working life) I could take photos of the relevant pages and share them with on you online. You can see some of the book here: https://www.google.ca/books/edition/Tracks_Across_the_Landscape/W1oCp8bKCJAC?hl=en&gbpv=1 Ken Heaton (talk) 12:17, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

That would be amazing! Thanks so much! BMACS1002 (talk) 16:14, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

I would also say, I tend to label the things on the map by who first operated over the lines, so that information would also be helpful BMACS1002 (talk) 17:00, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Wit regards to 'Tracks Across the Landscape, The S&L Commemorative History', I find it hard to believe but there an NO MAPS AT ALL in the entire book except for one low quality one on the back cover. I did just find this onli8ne though: http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/cape_breton/21_G&CB_Map.jpg from this page: http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/cape_breton/mining_history.htm Ken Heaton (talk) 18:43, 4 January 2023 (UTC)

Housatonic Railroad

Hi BMACS1002,

I recently created a dedicated article for the original incarnation of the Housatonic Railroad at Housatonic Railroad (1836). I see there's a map you added to Housatonic Railroad, but it's missing the Massachusetts portion of the line (technically built by different companies, all of which were leased or absorbed by the Housatonic). Would it be possible for you to make a map that includes the Massachusetts lines? Thanks in advance. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 16:45, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

It’ll take me a little bit to rummage around the ICC valuations but I’ll add it to the to-do list! BMACS1002 (talk) 16:49, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

New Hampshire Route 115A

Hi, the "maplink-road" directive in the infobox for article New Hampshire Route 115A is not displaying a map, and I'm not sure what's wrong. Might you be able to take a look at it (or let me know where I might ask for help)? Thanks. Dmoore5556 (talk) 02:32, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

The Wikidata tag for the relation of this route in OpenStreetMap was missing- I’ve just added it, it should be automatically fixed here within a day or so. BMACS1002 12:41, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

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