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September 27 | 2 | 1 |
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October 3 | 1 | |
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October 7 | 3 | 1 |
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October 12 | 1 | |
October 13 | 7 | 2 |
October 15 | 4 | 1 |
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October 17 | 2 | 1 |
October 18 | 6 | 1 |
October 19 | 4 | 1 |
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October 24 | 3 | |
October 25 | 2 | 1 |
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October 30 | 7 | 3 |
October 31 | 8 | 2 |
November 1 | 10 | 6 |
November 2 | 8 | 4 |
November 3 | 14 | 10 |
November 4 | 7 | 3 |
November 5 | 10 | 5 |
November 6 | 4 | 1 |
November 7 | 9 | 5 |
November 8 | 7 | 2 |
November 9 | 7 | 5 |
November 10 | 10 | 6 |
November 11 | 6 | 4 |
November 12 | 5 | 3 |
November 13 | 7 | 2 |
November 14 | 8 | 2 |
November 15 | 12 | 5 |
November 16 | 9 | 4 |
November 17 | 6 | 3 |
November 18 | 15 | 11 |
November 19 | 13 | 4 |
November 20 | 9 | 3 |
November 21 | 11 | 2 |
November 22 | 1 | 1 |
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[edit]Special occasion holding area
[edit]- Do not nominate articles in this section—nominate all articles in the nominations section on the regular nominations page, under the date on which the article was created or moved to mainspace, or the expansion began, or it was listed as a Good Article; be sure to indicate in the nomination any request for a specially timed appearance on the main page.
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Christmas
[edit]The Christmas Invasion
- ... that "The Christmas Invasion" was the first story for Doctor Who clearly labelled as a Christmas special?
- Source: [Pixley, Andrew (9 November 2006). "Series Two Companion". Doctor Who Magazine. No. 14 – Special Edition. Page=13]
- ALT1: ... that "The Christmas Invasion" was the first time Doctor Who had featured on the Radio Times Christmas edition cover in the show's forty-two-year history? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20060626200001/http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2005/11/28/27746.shtml
- ALT2: ... that "The Christmas Invasion" was the first full episode starring David Tennant as the Tenth Doctor? Source: Primary source (the episode itself)
- Reviewed:
DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 06:46, 26 October 2024 (UTC).
- QPQ is not needed but I'll nonetheless politely ask the nom (@DoctorWhoFan91:) to consider doing it to help with the backlog :) The article is fine (GA status and nom date confirmed), spotcheck did not find any issues. The hooks are fine although neither seems particularly interesting. Instead I'd suggest making a new hook based on this claim from the lead: "and is considered one of the best Christmas specials of the show, with its success leading to the Christmas special becoming an annual tradition". Ping me if a new hook is proposed and I'll check it. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- @DoctorWhoFan91, Piotrus, and DimensionalFusion: Just noting that I have pulled this from prep as this would make a good Christmas hook and will put it into the special occasion holding area. I have not assessed the article.--Launchballer 11:32, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Approved nominations
[edit]Articles created/expanded on September 22
[edit]Barquq Castle
- ... that the front façade, gateway, mosque and minaret of Barquq Castle in the Gaza Strip were still standing until 2024?
- Source: Abu Khalaf 1983, p. 182: "Nowadays the Khan is almost demolished, but the front part, which consists of the façade including the gateway and the Mosque with its minaret still stands."
Onceinawhile (talk) 00:03, 23 September 2024 (UTC).
- @Onceinawhile: Please note that per a recent rule change, a QPQ must be provided at the time of the nomination or at most immediately after. The nomination may be failed without further warning if a QPQ is not provided as soon as possible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:53, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know. I have done the QPQ now. Onceinawhile (talk) 06:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed now the QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
article is long enough, new enough and within policy. Hook is short enough and interesting. QPQ is complete. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Onceinawhile:@Gonzo fan2007: This hook implies that all of these things (the front façade, gateway, mosque and minaret) are no longer standing as of 2024. However, it doesn't necessarily say that in the article, just that the site was vaguely "damaged". If we know to what extent, and if we know that all those things are indeed no longer standing, then this hook is fine, that just needs to be mentioned sourced in the article. If not the hook may need to be tweaked somewhat to reflect the fact we don't know what parts are standing or not. Kimikel (talk) 14:19, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Kimikel: thank you for raising this. The hook was written before the article was complete, so it was intentionally vague as to what happened during the war as we had not quite figured it out. Following further research, the article now says "The castle was damaged during the Israel–Hamas war." UNESCO have verified damage to the site, and the images in this article show what is standing and what is damaged. I suggest we amend the hook to:
- ALT1: ... that the 637-year-old Barquq Castle (pictured), the eponymous historical monument of Khan Yunis, was damaged during the Israel–Hamas war?
- Onceinawhile (talk) 18:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Onceinawhile: Okay, so 637 appears to come from 2024-1387, which a) would need a citation for 1387 (and given that this could conceivably be late 1387 and early 2024, I'm not even sure that's adequate); b) "the ... Yunis" is cruising for a pruning per WP:DYKTRIM, and c) given Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 203#Negative Israel hooks you should very seriously consider merging this with Old City of Gaza, i.e. some variant of ALT2: ... that the Old City of Gaza, the Old City of Nablus, and the 600-year-old Barquq Castle have all been damaged by the Israel-Hamas War?--Launchballer 11:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Launchballer. The 1387 is sourced twice in the article, most precisely in the inscription section. The Arabic inscription at the top of the gateway dates it 789 AH (ar:789 هـ) which is technically 1387-88. Perhaps better to say “over 600-year-old” or similar.
- The proposed merger doesn’t work because Nablus has nothing to do with Hamas. I have already merged two into one, I don’t think three into one is workable - particularly as two are cities with many historical monuments and the other is just a single monument (if the only truly historical monument in Khan Yunis) - but happy to hear further proposals.
- Onceinawhile (talk) 21:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Onceinawhile: How about "14th-century"?--Launchballer 00:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: that works perfectly. So it would be:
- @Onceinawhile: How about "14th-century"?--Launchballer 00:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Onceinawhile: Okay, so 637 appears to come from 2024-1387, which a) would need a citation for 1387 (and given that this could conceivably be late 1387 and early 2024, I'm not even sure that's adequate); b) "the ... Yunis" is cruising for a pruning per WP:DYKTRIM, and c) given Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 203#Negative Israel hooks you should very seriously consider merging this with Old City of Gaza, i.e. some variant of ALT2: ... that the Old City of Gaza, the Old City of Nablus, and the 600-year-old Barquq Castle have all been damaged by the Israel-Hamas War?--Launchballer 11:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Onceinawhile (talk) 18:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that the 14th century Barquq Castle (pictured), the eponymous historical monument of Khan Yunis, was damaged during the Israel–Hamas war?
- Onceinawhile (talk) 08:31, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Fine by me, and as I've introduced no new information let's roll.--Launchballer 13:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's not entirely clear to me what "the eponymous historical monument" means Onceinawhile? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:43, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @AirshipJungleman29: the other name for Barquq Castle is Khan Yunis.
- Yunis was a local leader under Sultan Barquq. Castle (or "qalat") is the local and common name for what is here actually a Khan (an inn for travellers).
- Later a town built up around this "Khan Yunis". The town was named after the building, hence "eponymous".
- Onceinawhile (talk) 21:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- The article says the town was named after the official, not the castle named after the official. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @AirshipJungleman29: I have clarified the drafting. Thanks for pointing this out. Onceinawhile (talk) 22:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- The article says the town was named after the official, not the castle named after the official. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's not entirely clear to me what "the eponymous historical monument" means Onceinawhile? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:43, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Fine by me, and as I've introduced no new information let's roll.--Launchballer 13:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Onceinawhile (talk) 08:31, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 23
[edit]Muthkwey
... that məθkʷəy̓ was not harvested or walked over, because oral tradition held that it had grown from the droppings of a two-headed serpent?
- Source: "Another story tells that our ancestors had never seen this plant before, and that they considered it to be sacred because it came from sʔi:łqəy̓ (Musqueam Indian Band, 2011). Our people were not permitted to walk over or harvest it." Sparrow, Corrina (2006). "Reclaiming Spaces Between: Coast Salish Two Spirit Identities and Experiences". Bachelor of Social Work, University of Victoria: 50–51. Retrieved 20 September 2024. "muthkwey come again year come next.year muthkwey. When it was another year, next year then that plant muthkwey spread out when it grew. It bloomed like any other plant. But it was not like any other plant. The old people did not step on it. It was thought sacred. It was from the droppings of the monster, the seelthkey." Suttles, Wayne P. (2004). Musqueam Reference Grammar. Page 545 UBC Press. ISBN 978-0-7748-1002-9. Retrieved 20 September 2024
- Reviewed: Noken system
- Comment:
Will work on the QPQ shortly,thank you to the reviewer in advance! Done the QPQ!
Ornithoptera (talk) 23:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC).
- @Ornithoptera: Just a question: is the weird spelling of the subject on purpose? IIRC, non-standard/stylized spellings are discouraged on DYK. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Narutolovehinata5, the "weird spelling" in question is the Americanist phonetic notation that is used for Indigenous North American languages. Like many terms in the languages of the Pacific Northwest Coast, məθkʷəy̓ is not "romanized" in the traditional sense because they still use Latin characters and contemporary inclusions of the notation are often unedited, such as "ʔálʔal Café" rather than "All-all Cafe" I will provide some examples of such:
- The hən̓q̓əmin̓əm̓ word “məθkʷəy̓” was initially transcribed in English as “grass,” resulting in xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam) People being known as “People of the River Grass.”
- The tall grass is to represent Musqueam, the flowering plant məθkʷəy̓, which grows in the Fraser River estuary. Stories have been passed on from generation to generation that explains how we became known as the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm — People of the məθkʷəy̓ plant.
- The Musqueam people are the people of the məθkʷəy̓, the river grass, and we have stewarded the mouth of the Fraser River since time immemorial.
- The name xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam) relates back to the flowering plant, məθkʷəy̓, which once abundantly grew throughout Musqueam territory.
- The məθkʷəy̓ was described as a saχʷəl, which means “grass” or "plant." It was initially transcribed to English as a grass, and for some time the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm people have been known as “people of the river grass.”
- For further reading, here is a quote from the University of British Columbia on the matter: "In the 1970’s, the Musqueam community began their journey towards language revitalization, and formally adopted the North American Phonetic Alphabet (NAPA). NAPA allows the sounds of hən̓q̓əmin̓əm̓ to be more accurately conveyed in writing. The symbols that may be unfamiliar to you, including ə, q̓, θ, xʷ, and more have corresponding phonetics that you can learn in order to pronounce written hən̓q̓əmin̓əm̓."
- There is no "standard" transliteration, most English language sources refer to the plant as məθkʷəy̓ with no alteration. The article title was based on the one that Wayne Suttles employed in his 2004 Musqueam Reference Grammar, but there are multiple ways to transliterate this term without a standardized form, nor is there much of a need to, as the base of the notation are Latin characters. I thought it would be ideal to use the term with no alteration as many other sources have before. Ornithoptera (talk) 21:04, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- I see. I was asking because, from what I remember, DYK usually doesn't use non-Latin characters in hooks. I'm pretty sure there was a guideline about it (I think using the language template?) Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- To my understanding Narutolovehinata5, the Americanist phonetic notation is (to a degree) the Latin alphabet, and I'm sure there have been instances where letters such as Þ or ð have made their way into DYK before. For the record, I am comfortable with adjusting it if at the end of the day it is in violation of DYK guidelines, but I thought it might be good to have my thoughts on the matter before jumping the gun. I do hope that there isn't a double standard for some non-standard characters from certain languages over others. Ornithoptera (talk) 00:12, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- I see. I was asking because, from what I remember, DYK usually doesn't use non-Latin characters in hooks. I'm pretty sure there was a guideline about it (I think using the language template?) Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:24, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Ornithoptera: this interesting article, created on the 23 September, is new enough, long enough, well-cited, and presentable. QPQ done. Hook short enough and cited. Nice work. My only gripe is that the "Tradition" section doesnt make totally clear the distinction between legend and real history (this is also true, to some extent, of the hook) as per MOS:WAF. I'll also suggest the following ALT, as this seems to be the headline of the story:
- ALT1
... that the identity of the sacred plant məθkʷəy̓ is unknown?
- ALT1
- Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 23:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Tenpop421, thank you for taking the time to review this article. I have always been wary about using the term "legend" within articles that discuss Indigenous oral traditions. Members of Indigenous communities have been typically cautious of outsiders using terminology that implicates their oral traditions and histories as simply mythological (for various reasons). Corrina Sparrow in her Reclaiming Spaces Between: Coast Salish Two Spirit Identities and Experiences explicitly states: "I will mention; however, that this story is not told as a myth or a legend; it captures an actual encounter with sʔi:łqəy̓ that happened thousands of years ago." I'm wondering if we can preface the original hook with "according to Musqueam oral tradition" instead? If that is not an adequate compromise, I'm amenable to the alternative hook you have provided. Ornithoptera (talk) 03:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Ornithoptera: That's a fair point. I have made some edits so that it is flagged in each line that we are referencing oral tradition (rather than, say, contemporary observation). I also removed two sentences from the article - one about a story told about xʷməθkʷəy̓əm and Mink, which Suttles cites to the Charleses, but wld probably require too much context for it to make sentence in the article; another about the Musqueam relating to the plant, which seems to me to be a duplicate of something already mentioned above. Also, in the first hook, I've replaced "because" with "because oral tradition held that", for the same reasons of flagging oral tradition (this, with all respect to Sparrow, is surely myth). Let me know if this is all good with you. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 15:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Tenpop421 thank you for the adjustments, everything should check out here on my end. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, good to go. Tenpop421 (talk) 11:55, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Tenpop421 thank you for the adjustments, everything should check out here on my end. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Ornithoptera: That's a fair point. I have made some edits so that it is flagged in each line that we are referencing oral tradition (rather than, say, contemporary observation). I also removed two sentences from the article - one about a story told about xʷməθkʷəy̓əm and Mink, which Suttles cites to the Charleses, but wld probably require too much context for it to make sentence in the article; another about the Musqueam relating to the plant, which seems to me to be a duplicate of something already mentioned above. Also, in the first hook, I've replaced "because" with "because oral tradition held that", for the same reasons of flagging oral tradition (this, with all respect to Sparrow, is surely myth). Let me know if this is all good with you. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 15:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
@Ornithoptera, BlueMoonset, Tenpop421, Narutolovehinata5, Crisco 1492, Fram, AirshipJungleman29, and Jlwoodwa: per issues raised at WP:ERRORS (permalink here: [3]) this has been pulled for further consideration. There are issues around transliteration and accessibility. — Amakuru (talk) 23:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Ornithoptera: You mentioned above that there is no "standard" transliteration of Americanist phonetic notation. Is there a transliteration we can apply uniformly to the page to make this more readable for the average user? Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 23:15, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Tenpop421, it is unfortunate that this nomination has been quite a challenge but I understand the challenges involved. I have given it some thought, and my struggle is that there is no "standard transliteration" because English is not phonetically consistent like the Americanist Phonetic Notation system is, nor would there be a need to transliterate a phonetic system because the intention is that the phonetics give way to a 1-1 character to sound pair. Thus there is no uniform "this symbol equals this sound" because as you know, plenty of letters in English have alternative pronunciations (see the a's in "Australia" for a good example). I used "Muthkwey" primarily because Wayne Suttles used it in his Musqueam Reference Grammar, and because of the fact Wiki did not allow for the characters to be inputted into the article title. However, the typical usage in secondary sources is typically the "untransliterated" version, and there is no usage I can really WP:COMMONNAME to apply it to. The most ideal one is probably Suttles' transliteration because of his work with the Musqueam, but again this isn't universally adopted over məθkʷəy̓. Ornithoptera (talk) 19:22, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Ornithoptera: Yeah, I agree, transliteration seems to be a bit of a pain here. The secondary sources all seem to prefer keeping the American Phonetic Notation, and asking for a transliteration seems rather like asking for a transliteration of the IPA. I think the point raised by the other editors is that we need a transliteration of all the Americanist Phonetic Notation words in this article (xʷməθkʷəy̓əm, mə́cəkʷ, sə̀k̓ʷməy̓, cəlqáma, etc.) per MOS:NOTLATIN. If there's some standard transliteration, we can apply it uniformly; if there isn't, I'm not sure how to proceed (maybe just finding individual transliterations of each word?). Let me know. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 22:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Truthfully speaking, this is a very frustrating situation to be held up in. Any transliteration that would be produced here exclusively would probably be a violation of WP:OR, there is just no existing "transliteration" of Americanist Phonetic Notation that exists out there for the reasons mentioned previously. Anything that would be produced here would be without any research or logic applied to it, and I would assume just wind up being original research. Americanist Phonetic Notation, per its own article, *is* Latin, albeit augmented with Greek. Could we insert a lang template, a lot of the words are isolated instances, as a possible solution? The pre-existing English renderings are few and far between, and there is not a strong demand for individual words rather than names, such as sən̓aʔqʷ as Senakw or x̌ʷay̓x̌ʷəy̓ as X̱wáýx̱way. Though in the latter example the name was not as altered for the purposes of that article. Ornithoptera (talk) 02:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Ornithoptera: I am inclined to agree with your position here. I haven't been able to turn up anything like a transliteration and the secondary sources (including ones intended for a popular audience!) do not transliterate. However, your average Wikipedia reader probably just can't make sense of a lot of the symbols in Americanist Phonetic Notation, so this does pose a problem for accessibility. I confess that I don't know how to deal with this problem. It seems beyond the scope of a DYK nom. Perhaps a request for comment at WT:MOS may be a better forum? I apologise that this has proved to be a source of frustration. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 03:47, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- If you are able to do so Tenpop421, or another individual involved in this process could make a comment, it would be greatly appreciated. I don't have much time on hand to make another discussion and follow up on a timely manner. In terms of accessibility, a lot of the instances are simply examples, "cəlqáma" is a good one, where the context at the end of the day is simply "this word is different from this other word, because the root word is different". Viewing it, even though it is entirely made up of Latin characters (the upside down e is a schwa, a Latin letter!), is not necessary at the end of the day. However, without it would remove a huge chunk of the context, but if it doesn't view correctly, that should be fine regardless. Another example could be found in the Salishan languages article such as
such as ʔux̌ʷ 'goes' and sbiaw 'is a coyote'
. There is no transliteration involved, but it is an example of a word that does not necessitate transliteration since it is simply an example with added context. A good chunk of the words involved in the Muthkwey article are provided with enough context that even if the words don't display, they are provided with (in my view) enough context regardless. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:29, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- If you are able to do so Tenpop421, or another individual involved in this process could make a comment, it would be greatly appreciated. I don't have much time on hand to make another discussion and follow up on a timely manner. In terms of accessibility, a lot of the instances are simply examples, "cəlqáma" is a good one, where the context at the end of the day is simply "this word is different from this other word, because the root word is different". Viewing it, even though it is entirely made up of Latin characters (the upside down e is a schwa, a Latin letter!), is not necessary at the end of the day. However, without it would remove a huge chunk of the context, but if it doesn't view correctly, that should be fine regardless. Another example could be found in the Salishan languages article such as
- I'm sorry I haven't followed up on this; I've been very busy in my personal life, and I was hoping someone else might intervene with any insight. Absent any consensus about the use of APN or easy way to transliterate it, I want to put my vote in that this DYK go ahead with the ALT
- ALT2: ... that muthkwey was not harvested or walked over, because oral tradition held that it had grown from the droppings of a two-headed serpent?
- Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 20:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- If the spelling "muthkwey" is good enough for the article title, it should be good enough for use in the body. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: What do you propose be done about the other APN words? Tenpop421 (talk) 18:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Tenpop421, per my previous response, citing prior examples, they should probably be retained. Most of the terms are isolated examples. I can understand with the title, but the remainder should probably be retained. Edit, bit of an update but I've left a message on WT:MOS here, hopefully that can provide some clarity... Ornithoptera (talk) 19:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- If they are singular usages to highlight etymology/definitions, as Ornithoptera says, they can be kept in the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: What do you propose be done about the other APN words? Tenpop421 (talk) 18:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- If the spelling "muthkwey" is good enough for the article title, it should be good enough for use in the body. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Since there is now a thread on WT:MOS about this, and I think it's been discussed enough, if nobody objects I'll recommend ALT2 without changes to the article and say its good to go. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 19:13, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 24
[edit]Expandable card game
- ... that compared to collectible card games, expandable card games focus more on storytelling and cooperation? Source: https://www.playthepast.org/?p=6913 and its subsequent parts linked in the article as refs
- ALT1: ... that expandable card games are sometimes known as "living card games", but the latter term, while popular, is trademarked by a single company, preventing its use by competitors? Source: http://www.pairofdiceparadise.com/expandable-card-games-ecg-trademarks-patents-3-of-3-a167.php
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Genocide in the Hebrew Bible
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC).
- I think there is an issue with the article, which is that going by the most of the sources in the article and the hook source, the WP:COMMONTERM appears to be "living card game", and therefore that should be the title of the article and the boldlink. For related reasons I think ALT1 is actually the more interesting hook, though it would benefit from rephrasing to make it punchier. I'm keen to hear other opinions. David Palmer//cloventt (talk) 23:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 14:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Cloventt and Z1720: This has been discussed a bit by card game editors, I also pinged them at Talk:Expandable_card_game#Not_much_on_this. It is not clear what is common term, and while LCG is a common term, as explained in the article, it is trademarked by one company, and could be considered not neutral - prioritizing that one company over others. I'd be happy to see this discussed on talk, but nobody seems to care, and I don't feel like deciding by myself to use a term specific to one company over what appears to be a perfectly fine and more neutral (not trademarked) term. As for the "punchier" wording, feel free to suggest an ALT1a and I can "adopt" it if it seems ok to me, so you could accept it... otherwise I am sorry, I don't know what your idea of "punchier" is. PS. Please WP:ECHO me when replying, if my response is needed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Piotrus and Cloventt: What else needs to be done here?--Launchballer 14:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: I already replied extensively, with a ping. Maybe a new reviewer is needed? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Piotrus and Cloventt: What else needs to be done here?--Launchballer 14:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how to fix this because as I said initially I think it is something of a fundamental issue with the article. Happy for another reviewer to weigh in on it. In terms of a punchier hook, something like
"... that 'expandable card games' is a generic alternative for the trademarked term 'living card games'?"
David Palmer//cloventt (talk) 20:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)- @Cloventt: I'd be fine with that hook. Would you be ok with the article getting featured using it? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- I’d rather leave it to another reviewer to decide. David Palmer//cloventt (talk) 03:06, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Cloventt: I'd be fine with that hook. Would you be ok with the article getting featured using it? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm fine with "Expandable card game" as the article title.
- The WP:COMMONTERM is debatable, and since "Living card game" is a copyrighted term, we should not underestimate our influence as most cited reference work on the planet. I'm quite sure Wikipedia has more readers than Fantasy Flight Games has players, and if we title our article that way, we will be putting our thumb on the scales in making it a generic trademark in a big way, which will be doing nontrivial and active harm to them. As long as it is debatable, we should not do that.
- Also, "Expandable" is simply more descriptive. "Living" could mean any number of things (I've heard Legacy games described as "living"), "expandable" is much more clear.
- However, I am troubled by the first line of the article, and its definition/scope. "card games where each player has their own deck of cards." How does that not apply to any number of games that don't use a shared deck, for example Dominion (card game)? That has expansion sets too. How about changing "has" to "owns"? Maybe "brings"? Something to indicate that the deck is prebuilt, not built during the game like Dominion. And merge in the "expandable" part into the definition sentence, that is, after all, the important part here.
Full review to come. --GRuban (talk) 21:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Adequate sourcing: - No, sorry. I marked one quote failed verification. The line about "but the term "Non-Collectible Collectible Card Game" would not be practical." is not marked as a quote, but does not seem to be in that source either. Important bits of the article are sourced to Chaz Marler who seems to be the sole writer and publisher for Pair of Dice Paradise (well, with his very, very young daughter), which means it's a self-published source, so you need to show he is an acknowledged expert in the field in some way. We don't have an article about him, and he's not used as a source in any other Wikipedia articles - can you show he's an acknowledged expert, and not just a guy with a blog? I guess I'll grudgingly accept Roger Travis/Play the Past, since it boasts a large stable of people with PhDs ... but honestly, those PhDs are in various liberal arts fields, which are not quite in games, so even that one is marginal. In any case I recommend writing something like "games historian Roger Travis" at first use to at least explain something about why he is to be considered a reliable source.
- Neutral: - Not really. You mention Fantasy Flight Games as the sole publisher, and while I'm sure they're important, leaving out all the others is not neutral, even if they are by far the most important. That's sort of like writing about electric cars and only naming Tesla, or writing about search engines and only naming Google.
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - no, again. ALT1 is cited, but only to Marler. The original hook is backed by Play the Past, which I grudgingly accept as above, but that article doesn't say that about all or most ECGs in general, just about two or three of them specifically.
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Overall: As above, "ECGs are card games where each player has their own deck of cards.", which I see both in the lede and in Characteristics, is not really an accurate definition, because it leaves out the "expandable" part. (Jerry Seinfeld had a line about that. ) All this is hopefully fixable. Good luck! GRuban (talk) 05:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: Just noting that this is two months old so technically qualifies for WP:DYKTIMEOUT; it doesn't feel fair to do that given that this has only just gotten a full review, but this should be dealt with urgently.--Launchballer 18:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- @GRuban and GRuban: I've corrected the 'failed verification' quote - the source says "a game that breaks away", I shortened it to "breaking away" but sure, we can use the original wording. For showing that Chez Marler is more than just a guy who runs some random blog, see [4] - he is a professional in the field, involved with the leading website BoardGameGeek. He was also involved with another major media in the field, The Dice Tower [5], and Watch it Played (covered for several paragaphs by SaltWire Network [6]). So I think he passes as an expert in the field (non-academic but professional and respected by his peers). I've also added the word 'customizable' to the lead (as to not repeat 'expandable'). I hope this addresses your concerns I'd also like to note that the level of concerns raised above, while appreciated, seems to be more at the WP:GAR level than what I'd expect from a WP:DYK. PS. I've also added a ref mentioned of another company and a non-FFG game. Note this article is not intended to be comprehensive, since this is not a GA/FA level writeup. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hah! (Or, I should say, thank you, thank you, since I was addressed twice.) If you think those nitpicks are GA/FA level, I want you to be my GA reviewer! If I were looking for Wikipedia:Good article criteria such as Well Written, I would point out that
- the quote you corrected,
a "a game that breaks away out of CCGs
has two leading "a" articles and no closing quotation mark. I corrected that one for you. - "Some of games occasionally classified as ECGs" was, instead, missing an article. (Law of conservation of articles?) Also corrected.
- that you still didn't give the reader any explanation why Roger Travis's opinion matters, despite my suggestion. Also corrected. I'll similarly write a few qualifying words introducing John Jackson Miller though those are less necessary as he has a linked article.
- That your quote
but the term "Non-Collectible Collectible Card Game" would not be practical
also does not seem to appear in the source, as I mentioned. Removed. - That the sentence "The genre has been popularized by the American game company Final Fantasy Games" in the last section was simply wrong, there is no such company. I'm correcting it to Fantasy Flight Games, as all the other mentions (but see the next point!).
- That the article is repetitive and/or redundant in places, such as:
- that it mentions Final Fantasy Games in three places besides the lede: (Expandable Card Games vs Collectible Card Games, History, and Notes) leaving the reader to read all three of them together to infer that FFG is the main ECG company. (And still not to be sure whether it originated the genre, or merely formalized the genre, or merely became the main company in the genre after it was originated or formalized...? Consider that another suggestion to fulfill or ignore as you see fit.)
- "these games are very similar to CCGs and can be seen as their subset" seems redundant with "the genre has been inspired by CCGs"
- linked/redlinked names of games are dropped seemingly at random rather than in any organized way, for example
- " One of FFGs most popular titles was Android: Netrunner, which debuted in 2012; since 2019 it has been published by Null Signal Games and rebranded as an expandable card game." seems like it should live in the paragraph about "Some of the games occasionally classified as ECGs were meant to be traditional CCGs ... Some games have been converted into ECGs/LCGs from CCGs;" rather than History. If the intent was that Netrunner was a major point in ECG history, saying as much would be nice, otherwise it merely says it was a major point for FFG.
- the quote you corrected,
- And of course it's not Comprehensive. But, yes, after explanations and tweaks this article does meet DYK. And it was fun to read. I did not know about ECGs before I read it, though have been playing Magic, and Dominion, and the board game version of Arkham Horror for years, and having been aware of Yugioh and Pokemon. Thank you for writing it, it is a worthwhile contribution to the Wikipedia.
- Approving ALT2, as suggested by User:Cloventt and accepted by nominator, "... that expandable card games is a generic alternative for the trademarked term 'living card games'?". Honestly, I'd recommend something between that and the already similar ALT1 by the nominator, say ALT3 "... that expandable card game is a generic alternative for the trademarked more popular term 'living card game'?" but I'd imagine I'm not supposed to both make up my own hook and approve it, and User:Launchballer is very clear that we do not have time to look for yet another reviewer! --GRuban (talk) 15:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Piotrus, GRuban, and Launchballer: something about ALT2 seems ungrammatical, I think it's the "expendable card games is" bit. How should this be fixed? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'd depluralise 'games'.--Launchballer 15:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Tbh, I don't even know if it's interesting in the first place. "Did you know that this term is used because it isn't trademarked?" No, but I can't imagine anyone much cares. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- That's why I added "more popular" in my suggestion. But in the end, there are people who like games, and there are people who don't. For me, and, I suspect, many of us, it would be very hard to get an article about games on the front page that I wouldn't read. However, it is similarly hard to imagine a link about a football player that I would care about. I could read
"...that Joe Bloggs, half-quarter-centerback for the Walla Walla Warmongers has been universally agreed to be the second coming of the messiah?"
and say "meh". --GRuban (talk) 17:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC) - The current lead entry in DYK is "... that heavy-metal guitarist Kiki Wong (pictured) played drums for Taylor Swift before joining the Smashing Pumpkins?", which seems very boring to me. That a musician played for a band? Really? Shocking. And yet thousands of people interested in music are clicking on it right now. Now if you want to read a DYK nomination with an truly interesting hook, may I disingenuously suggest... --GRuban (talk) 17:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- That's why I added "more popular" in my suggestion. But in the end, there are people who like games, and there are people who don't. For me, and, I suspect, many of us, it would be very hard to get an article about games on the front page that I wouldn't read. However, it is similarly hard to imagine a link about a football player that I would care about. I could read
- Tbh, I don't even know if it's interesting in the first place. "Did you know that this term is used because it isn't trademarked?" No, but I can't imagine anyone much cares. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'd depluralise 'games'.--Launchballer 15:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Piotrus, GRuban, and Launchballer: something about ALT2 seems ungrammatical, I think it's the "expendable card games is" bit. How should this be fixed? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hah! (Or, I should say, thank you, thank you, since I was addressed twice.) If you think those nitpicks are GA/FA level, I want you to be my GA reviewer! If I were looking for Wikipedia:Good article criteria such as Well Written, I would point out that
- @GRuban and GRuban: I've corrected the 'failed verification' quote - the source says "a game that breaks away", I shortened it to "breaking away" but sure, we can use the original wording. For showing that Chez Marler is more than just a guy who runs some random blog, see [4] - he is a professional in the field, involved with the leading website BoardGameGeek. He was also involved with another major media in the field, The Dice Tower [5], and Watch it Played (covered for several paragaphs by SaltWire Network [6]). So I think he passes as an expert in the field (non-academic but professional and respected by his peers). I've also added the word 'customizable' to the lead (as to not repeat 'expandable'). I hope this addresses your concerns I'd also like to note that the level of concerns raised above, while appreciated, seems to be more at the WP:GAR level than what I'd expect from a WP:DYK. PS. I've also added a ref mentioned of another company and a non-FFG game. Note this article is not intended to be comprehensive, since this is not a GA/FA level writeup. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on September 27
[edit]Phoebe Plummer
... that during Phoebe Plummer's May 2024 jury trial over a climate protest, the court finished early on several days due to the heat? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/15/uk-climate-activists-convicted-in-first-trial-of-new-anti-protest-lawsALT1: ... that an October 2022 protest involving Just Stop Oil member Phoebe Plummer inspired many activists worldwide to throw food at paintings? Source: https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/11/17/just-stop-oil-phoebe-plummer-prison/- ALT2: ... that when Phoebe Plummer and Anna Holland faced trial over the Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest, they were "unfortunate" to draw Christopher Hehir as judge? Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/30/just-stop-oil-soup-throwing-protests-moral-toddlerhood/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Zero-emission zone in Oxford, Template:Did you know nominations/CyberJoly Drim, Template:Did you know nominations/Ajah Pritchard-Lolo, Template:Did you know nominations/Alison Creagh
- Comment: Plummer was created 27 September, though I did a 5x expansion on 2 October, added Just Stop Oil Sunflowers protest three days later, added Christopher Hehir two days after that, and added Holland on 5 November.
Launchballer 03:13, 2 October 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Ooh, a quadruple hook. All of the articles are new enough, long enough, and well cited. There are a few places where phrasing could be a bit more neutral (I feel like inspired would be better than empowered, for example), but those may also be stylstic considerations. Earwig isn't happy, but it's the large block quote that speaks to Plummer's inspiration in that instance. Ideally Hehir's article would have a bit more on his early life, but if the sources aren't talking about it, rather difficult. (Minor quibble: the source says "unfortunately" rather than "unfortunate", but I think it works here). — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- This has been sitting near the top of Approved for over a week. What else do I have to do to get this promoted? (For the record, I believe "unfortunately" --> "unfortunate" is covered by MOS:SIC.)--Launchballer 02:04, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not entirely sure that Holland in particular meets the independent notability standards of WP:CRIMINAL. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- She's a lot more borderline than Plummer, I'll admit that. From memory, there's significant coverage of her role in Politico at least and this Prospect piece was what clinched it for me, but I will of course take another look later.--Launchballer 16:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Since we are dealing with a BLP, I think we should veer on the side of safety as described in WP:CRIMINAL. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've had another look and I believe Holland meets WP:CRIMINAL#unusual crime.--Launchballer 00:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'll wait for another promoter's opinion. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I've had another look and I believe Holland meets WP:CRIMINAL#unusual crime.--Launchballer 00:16, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Since we are dealing with a BLP, I think we should veer on the side of safety as described in WP:CRIMINAL. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- She's a lot more borderline than Plummer, I'll admit that. From memory, there's significant coverage of her role in Politico at least and this Prospect piece was what clinched it for me, but I will of course take another look later.--Launchballer 16:30, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not entirely sure that Holland in particular meets the independent notability standards of WP:CRIMINAL. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 7
[edit]Sequenza XIV
- ... that Sequenza XIV for solo cello by Luciano Berio, in 2002 the last work in a series begun in 1958, was inspired by the artistry of Rohan de Saram including traditional Kandyan drumming? Source: [7]
- Reviewed:
to come - Comment: This is one of the key works of 21st-century classical music.
- Reviewed:
Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Hi Gerda Arendt, happy to do the DYK review. The article has a readable prose size of 4310 characters. It was created yesterday. Every paragraph in the body of the article is sourced. WP:EARWIG shows no copyright problems. QPQ has not yet been done. I have a minor quibble about the hook: it seems to me that it tries to convey too many individual facts. What about something simpler like
ALT1: ...that Sequenza XIV was composed in 2002 as Luciano Berio's final work in his series begun in 1958?
or
- ALT2: ...that Sequenza XIV, composed for Rohan de Saram in 2002, is Luciano Berio's final work in his series begun in 1958? Phlsph7 (talk) 16:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for reviewing, and the suggestions. I reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Mind. I believe that the one thing fascinating "Maestro Berio" (as he is called by the cellist) as well as the ordinary Main page reader is this drumming. We can rather do without the series if it's really too much. I can also imagine to improve the series article to make it a double hook. ALT1 is no option for me because some kind of reverence for the cellist (and drummer) was the motivation to write the article. Making him GA seemed harder ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
- Ah I see. If we want to go without the series, we could use something like
- ALT3: ...that Sequenza XIV for solo cello by Luciano Berio was inspired by the childhood experiences of cellist Rohan de Saram with Kandyan drumming?
- But I think your original suggestion also meets the DYK requirements so the decision may be more a matter of taste. Approved. Phlsph7(talk) 07:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I think that ALT3 is a bit smallish, - the childhood drumming is just part of the inspiration, the playing of one of the most inspiring cellists of all times should not be left out completely ;) - I learned of his death from a friend who is a cellist, and felt his enthusiasm remembering a live concert of Xenakis. Berio knew why he added to a series that had already been considered complete ("complete" recording in 1995), - it's an outstanding piece in every respect and deserves a little longer hook, imho. We can't use any of the pics, sadly, because de Saram's is not free, and Berio's is way too young for one of his last works. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- One last alternative if we want to go for the full package: what do you think about the following, a version of ALT0 copy-edited only for better flow:
- ALT0a: ... that Sequenza XIV for solo cello by Luciano Berio, completed in 2002 as the last work in a series begun in 1958, was inspired by Rohan de Saram's artistry, including traditional Kandyan drumming?
- Phlsph7 (talk) 10:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- I like it --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I think that ALT3 is a bit smallish, - the childhood drumming is just part of the inspiration, the playing of one of the most inspiring cellists of all times should not be left out completely ;) - I learned of his death from a friend who is a cellist, and felt his enthusiasm remembering a live concert of Xenakis. Berio knew why he added to a series that had already been considered complete ("complete" recording in 1995), - it's an outstanding piece in every respect and deserves a little longer hook, imho. We can't use any of the pics, sadly, because de Saram's is not free, and Berio's is way too young for one of his last works. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for reviewing, and the suggestions. I reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Mind. I believe that the one thing fascinating "Maestro Berio" (as he is called by the cellist) as well as the ordinary Main page reader is this drumming. We can rather do without the series if it's really too much. I can also imagine to improve the series article to make it a double hook. ALT1 is no option for me because some kind of reverence for the cellist (and drummer) was the motivation to write the article. Making him GA seemed harder ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
I don't think the hooks here would be very enticing to the average reader, but I won't object if someone else wants to promote it. Just noting a bit of queasiness. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Someone runs a series from 1958 to 2002, and you think that's not "enticing"? We have no room for that the series had been deemed complete in 1995, but someone made an exception. Someone plays cello and Indian drum, and you think that's not unusual? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think the part about completing a series started over 40 years earlier should be interesting to the average reader. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Completing a series of works over a long span of time is not unusual in classical music. The span of time between Shostakovich's first and last symphonies, for example, span the same number of years as that between the first and last of Berio's Sequenza. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- While interesting, ALT0a seems too unfocused (Phlsph7's original contention) to me as a promoter; is "for solo cello by Luciano Berio" necessary and could the rest be made more concise? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Completing a series of works over a long span of time is not unusual in classical music. The span of time between Shostakovich's first and last symphonies, for example, span the same number of years as that between the first and last of Berio's Sequenza. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 13
[edit]Gutidara
- ... that Gutidara is played with balls made from water buffalo's horns? Source: Translated Source 1 Translated Source 2
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Yoon Do-young
- Comment: Article is created 3 days ago, complies with pros and character size. Originally translated from corresponding Bengali article. Any copyedit is always welcome for betterment.
I have already completed 2 QPQs (1, 2). FaysaLBinDaruL (talk) 18:37, 16 October 2024 (UTC).
- Article is appropriate length, hook interesting, QPQ checks out. Google-translated sources appear to support hook.~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 16:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Thokchom Chandrasekhar Singh
- ... that Manipuri socialist politician Thokchom Chandrasekhar Singh was jailed for 12 months for protests in favour of restoring the state legislative assembly?
- Source: Who's who in the Manipur Legislative Assembly. Manipur Legislative Assembly Secretariat., 1964. p. 10
Soman (talk) 15:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Article is new enough and long enough. AGF on offline sources (I don't even have snippet view for the hook fact). No close paraphrasing found. Article is neutral, well sourced. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 15
[edit]John Moore (basketball)
- ... that after learning that UCLA's student body president was Black, John Moore's mother said "this is where he's going to school"?
- Source: "'You mean there are fifteen thousand students at this school, and out of all these people the student body president is black?' ... 'Well,' Johnny's mother said, 'this is where he's going to school.' "(Wooden: A Coach's Life)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ricot Joseph
- Comment: The source is offline. Let me know if more quotes are needed.
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Overall: Article is new enough. Hook is interesting, reads good, and is short enough. Everything in the article is cited. I read the entire article and just fixed a few minor things. Approving the hook. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 03:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Bagumba I'm a) not sure what the hook means precisely and b) feeling like it's quite trivia-like. Perhaps another hook? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: It's supposed to convey that the mother decided that her son would go to the school upon learning that their student body president was Black. Which part is unclear for you? In a certain sense, all DYK hooks are "trivia". Why do you feel it's a bigger issue here?—Bagumba (talk) 04:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- The "decision" part is not clear Bagumba, and I don't really get why we have to quote the mother directly instead of simply stating, as you do, "that the mother decided that her son would go to the school upon learning that their student body president was Black". ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the input AirshipJungleman29. Would something like
John Moore's mother
be clearer? I originally went with the straightforward "said" as Moore was presumably an adult, but obviously a parent has a lot of sway in these decisions. As for using the quote, I just felt that her actual words made the hook feel more authentic and made it slightly "hookier" than a paraphrase in this case.—Bagumba (talk) 00:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)saiddecided that "this is where he's going to school"?- I think that would be better, yes. I'll leave the thoughts about quotes/trivia to see if another promoter agrees. Otherwise all good. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the input AirshipJungleman29. Would something like
- The "decision" part is not clear Bagumba, and I don't really get why we have to quote the mother directly instead of simply stating, as you do, "that the mother decided that her son would go to the school upon learning that their student body president was Black". ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: It's supposed to convey that the mother decided that her son would go to the school upon learning that their student body president was Black. Which part is unclear for you? In a certain sense, all DYK hooks are "trivia". Why do you feel it's a bigger issue here?—Bagumba (talk) 04:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 17
[edit]Port Mercer, New Jersey
- ... that the inn serving Port Mercer, New Jersey, was rumored to employ prostitutes imported from Trenton? Source: https://www.westwindsorhistory.com/portmercerinn.html
- ALT1 ... that locals in the New Jersey community of Port Mercer, New Jersey set up targets along the Delaware and Raritan Canal to coax bargemen into throwing them coal? Source: https://www.westwindsorhistory.com/portmercer.html
- ALT2: ... that residents of Port Mercer, New Jersey profited from passerby by dragging their mules into the Delaware and Raritan Canal and having local boys "rescue" them for a fee?
- ALT3: ... that murder victims were dumped into the Delaware and Raritan Canal in the New Jersey village of Port Mercer on two separate occasions? Source: https://www.westwindsorhistory.com/portmercer.html
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Lbal (talk) 22:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC).
- Preliminary review
- Article was expanded more than 5x within the seven day period (from 827 to 6249 chars). Length is good.
I'm not as happy with the Earwig results here as I was with the Jugtown DYK. I think there are some common phrases that can easily be rewritten.In case anyone is confused by the no QPQ needed at time of submission versus the QPQ needed message with the current report, this nom was submitted before the 5 nom limit was exceeded due to subsequent nominations. So, no QPQ needed for this one. Port Mercer has only 13 major points of interest based on your sources, yet you've neglected at least two, maybe more, I haven't yet finished checking. You've mentioned Washington's march, but you don't discuss the two obelisks in the town commemorating it per your sources. Given how small this town is and the limited number of landmarks, we need to be mindful of WP:DYKCOMPLETE. I don't think this is a major red flag, but it did stand out to me. I think it would also be helpful to the reader to summarize these points of interest in some way, perhaps in the lead itself or in section 1 (first section after the lead), noting that three of the 13 historical points of interest are no longer extant (or have been destroyed); I'm referring to the Swivel bridge, the General store, and the barn, which have been lost to time. I previously chided you (using Marvin the Martian as my alter ego) about maintaining interest with your narrative in the discussion about the Jugtown Historic District. I think you've got an opportunity here to walk people through the town, not just using "history" as you frame it currently, but also with more of a visual, boots on the ground approach to the area. Something to think about? I tried to approach Pillar Point Bluff using this perspective, and even though I wasn't able to fully approximate the visual navigation of the place in verbal form, it did help me to organize my thoughts and tighten the narrative. As for your hooks, I honestly don't think ALT0 is all that interesting. I suspect that inns serving small towns in the 19th century were steeped in prostitution procurement activity in certain areas, given that it is one of the world's oldest professions. In other words, water is wet. ALT1 is slightly more interesting but isn't entirely self-explanatory. It might be salvageable. @Lbal: Perhaps consider other hooks? Viriditas (talk) 00:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: I'll take that into consideration and polish it up a little. As for the hooks, here's some alternate phrasing and points of interest. Let me know if I have to rewrite it in the original nomination.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lbal (talk • contribs) 17:05, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- I moved everything up above for clarity. Viriditas (talk) 20:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Lbal: The Earwig issue is now solved, and I see you've added more to the lead in an attempt to address what I said up above, but the lead needs to be rewritten for readability and you still haven't mentioned the obelisks. Unless I'm missing it... Viriditas (talk) 21:15, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: I'm planning to rewrite the lead and address the obelisks in a points of interest section at some point either today or tomorrow. If you have any suggestions for how to brighten up the prose, I'd love to hear them.
- @Lbal: See the link to Pillar Point Bluff up above. I had the same problem you did, and as silly as it sounds, the way I addressed it was to envision in my mind the reader as a person. I then took that person's hand in mine, and gently guided them through Pillar Point, pointing out the sites, stopping where necessary to explain a specific detail, and then letting them take in the entire place on their own. I get it if you are resistant to thinking like that, but it was the only way I could write the article. In other words, pretend you are a tour guide showing the town to someone for the very first time. How would you do it? Then, write it that way. Viriditas (talk) 22:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Viriditas: I like that idea. I'll try to revise the prose with that in mind.
- @Lbal: If you want to read more about the process of visualizing locations, the article on the memory palace technique gives some advice on how to do it. Although it is only loosely related to this discussion, it is the same general idea. Viriditas (talk) 22:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Lbal: Good job with your changes so far. The lead is coming along well and I think ALT2 has some potential for approval, but might need some rewriting. I'm leaning heavily towards ALT2 at this point, but I think it can be improved before this is closed out. Viriditas (talk) 08:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Lbal: As for ALT2, consider revisiting the source material and working with the interesting content to rewrite your hook: "Attempts to capitalize on the heavy traffic included a well-timed delay in opening the swing bridge. This slow opening ... might entangle the mules' tow lines and inadvertently pull (them) into the canal. Fortunately, local boys would be nearby and rescue the mules .. and receive a reward..." I would emphasize the grift, the attempt to profit from the heavy traffic. Viriditas (talk) 21:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Lbal: Great progress on the hook, but you are at 203 characters. I can offer some suggestions for shortening it or you can do it yourself. Try some varations, for example: "... that in Port Mercer, New Jersey, locals profited from canal traffic by dragging mules belonging to travelers into the waterway, then paying boys to 'rescue' them for a fee?" That's 172 characters. Viriditas (talk) 23:51, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- L:@Viriditas: Sounds good, let me know if this is any better,
- @Lbal: I like it. Viriditas (talk) 09:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Lbal: I made a few copyedits to the article, but I still need to do a final read through. Viriditas (talk) 23:21, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Lbal: I like it. Viriditas (talk) 09:12, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Lbal: If you want to read more about the process of visualizing locations, the article on the memory palace technique gives some advice on how to do it. Although it is only loosely related to this discussion, it is the same general idea. Viriditas (talk) 22:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
@Lbal: The store itself went through multiple local owners in the 19th century. Crater built the Port Mercer Inn on the tract he had purchased from Gillingham sometime before 1858.
Everything was going great until you sprang this "Gillingham" character on us, out of the blue. No idea who this guy is or where he came from. You name drop him like we should know him. Viriditas (talk) 11:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Now I keep wondering, what would Gillingham think? He shows up for one sentence and then disappears. I'm convinced he's related to the MacGuffins in the next town over. Viriditas (talk) 11:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- I temporarily removed "Gillingham". Did you mean to say "Gillinghams" to refer to both relatives you mentioned earlier? It wasn't clear. Add it back in if you can improve it. Viriditas (talk) 23:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Prefer ALT2. Good to go. I got a bit too excited when I read "the canal was designated a skate park", only to realize that I misread "state" as "skate". Now, I'm sad again. Just kidding, you did a good job on this article and I left wanting to know more about the town. Great work. My only suggestion is to consider WP:BUNDLING citations in the near future to help the reader. Thanks for the time you put into this. Viriditas (talk) 23:05, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Rich Romer
- ... that three-time Pizza Hut All-American Rich Romer later worked as an engineer?
- ALT1: ... that NFL player Rich Romer was a three-time Pizza Hut All-American? Source: Pizza Hut
- Reviewed:
~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC).
- Verified that the article is long enough, that there are no plagiarism concerns through the Copyvios tool and spotchecking, and that the hook is sourced in the article. Cunard (talk) 07:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Great work on the article! Both hooks are interesting and verified as being sourced in the article. ALT0 relies on this source to say he worked as an engineer. According to the About Us page for the East Greenbush Education Foundation, "The East Greenbush Education Foundation, Inc. is an audited 501(c)(3) non-profit organization whose sole purpose is to raise funds to support student achievement. Founded in 1985 and located in East Greenbush, NY, the Foundation is governed by a volunteer Board of Directors." I think this is a marginally reliable source. If there are concerns that this source is insufficiently reliable, I recommend using ALT1 instead. Cunard (talk) 07:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- WikiOriginal-9, this hook is somewhat incomprehensible if you're not from the States. More clarity would be nice, or another hook? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure of a way to reword All-American if that's the issue. We can just decline this. That's fine. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's more the combination of "Pizza Hut" and "All-American" that is confusing. I've read the article and I'm still not sure what it means. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- It means he was named an All-American by Pizza Hut (Pizza Hut used to select All-American teams for some reason). ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- It's more the combination of "Pizza Hut" and "All-American" that is confusing. I've read the article and I'm still not sure what it means. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure of a way to reword All-American if that's the issue. We can just decline this. That's fine. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 18
[edit]Lizzie Esau
- ... that an article about Lizzie Esau was nominated for an award? Source: https://www.spajournalism.com/spanc23-national-awards-shortlists-announced/
- ALT1: ... that after trying to replicate the live sound of "Wait Too Late" in a studio and failing twice, Lizzie Esau recorded the song in a castle? Source: https://readdork.com/features/lizzie-esau-hype-cover-feature-april24/
- ALT2: ... that Lizzie Esau covered a 1955 song for a 2024 series about a 1553 Queen? Source: for 1955, see https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/bo-diddley-the-guitarist-who-inspired-the-rolling-stones-dies-6837140.html; for everything else, see https://www.nme.com/news/tv/heres-every-song-in-my-lady-jane-on-amazon-prime-video-3769025
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Liberalism in the Philippines
Launchballer 09:03, 18 October 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Meets the size and time(well, for when it was nominated), has a healthy collection of reliable sources (although I am personally more skeptical by default of magazine sources like this, I think they're good here after a quick check over of WP:V, and a requested second glance.) Personally, I'll strongly push for ALT2, since ALT0 does not pass WP:DYKINT in my view, and ALT1 is borderline. Anyways, thanks @Launchballer: PixDeVl yell talk to me! 21:19, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 19
[edit]John Green (basketball)
- ... that John Green was UCLA's leading scorer on the first of coach John Wooden's 12 Final Four teams?
- Source: "John Green, All American senior guard, was the team's high scorer with 559 points in 29 games, a 19.3 average." (The California Eagle) "At 6 feet 3, he started for the first of Wooden’s 12 NCAA Final Four teams." (Pioneer Press)
—Bagumba (talk) 20:02, 19 October 2024 (UTC).
- Reviewing. RecycledPixels (talk) 20:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- 1. New enough - Article created on the day of the nomination
- 2. Long enough - 4451 Readable prose size, not a stub
- 3. External policy compliance - . Well-sourced, neutral, and BLP-compliant. Spot checked sources 11, 19, 21, and 26 (11% of sources used) shows no copyvio or close paraphrasing
- 4. Presentable - No article improvement or citation needed tags.
- 5. Sourced - . Verified both sources provided, meets RS.
- 6. Hook short enough - Brief and to the point.
- 7. Hook interesting -
- 8. Images - - No image included for main page publication
- 9. QPQ - - Done.
- 10. Other - No problems.
- Overall: Pass. RecycledPixels (talk) 20:30, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 20
[edit]Głos Kolejarzy Ewakuowanych — Golos Evakuirovannykh Zheleznodorozhnikov
- ... that an organ of evacuated Polish railway workers called for unity with All-Russian trade unions around the time of the 1917 October Revolution?
- Source: Ludwik Bazylow, Jan Sobczak. Encyklopedia Rewolucji Październikowej. Wiedza Powszechna, 1987. p. 118
Soman (talk) 12:08, 20 October 2024 (UTC).
- Date, size, hook, neutrality, refs, copyvio spotcheck, QPQ - all in green. GTG. I just wonder whether a more interesting hook could be found, hmmm, maybe one based on the SDKPiL quote? @Soman: --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Soman I agree that a more interesting hook would be preferred. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 25
[edit]Voltairine de Cleyre
- ... that Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) taught herself how to read at the age of four?
- Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. pp. 24–25. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
- ALT1: ... that Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) became an anti-authoritarian and anti-theist after her education at a Catholic convent? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. pp. 36–37. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
- ALT2: ... that Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) loved Scotland so much that she said if she could have made a living there, she never would have returned to the United States? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. pp. 117–118. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
- ALT3: ... that although Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) opposed American imperialism, she did not oppose the Spanish–American War, as she believed that the Spanish Empire needed to be broken up? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. pp. 122–123. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
- ALT4: ... that after Senator Joseph R. Hawley offered $1,000 to shoot an anarchist, Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) publicly accepted the challenge? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. p. 136. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
- ALT5: ... that after Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) was shot, the Hahnemann University Hospital did not remove any of the bullets due to its practice of homeopathy? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. p. 171. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
- ALT6: ... that Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) refused to press charges against Herman Helcher, who had attempted to murder her? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. p. 174. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
- ALT7: ... that the Norwegian press speculated that Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) intended to assassinate German Kaiser Wilhelm II, as their trips to Norway coincided? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. p. 181. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
- ALT8: ... that despite losing her ability to move or speak due to illness, Voltairine de Cleyre (pictured) refused to accept last rites by scowling at the priest? Source: Avrich, Paul (1978). An American Anarchist: The Life of Voltairine de Cleyre. Princeton: Princeton University Press. pp. 235–236. ISBN 978-0-691-04657-0.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Victoria Espinosa
- Comment: Apologies for the number of hooks. I just found so many things about de Cleyre's biography interesting that I wanted to provide a good range of options.
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Overall: ALTs 0, 2, 4, 6, 7, or 8 are more interesting, and one of them should be chosen. Would have probably got a review sooner if there were fewer hooks to check. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 30
[edit]Al-Altan
- ... that the Mongol princess Al-Altan was rumoured to have poisoned her brother Ögedei Khan?
- Source: Broadbridge 2018, pp. 168–169.
- ALT1: ... that although the details of Al-Altan's 1246 execution were censored, an unintentional slip in a chronicle reveals who killed her? Source: Broadbridge 2018, pp. 187–188.
- ALT2: ... that although Eljigidei was originally rewarded for killing the Mongol princess Al-Altan, he was later hunted down and executed in revenge? Source: For his reward, Broadbridge 2018, pp. 187–188; for his death, pp. 220–221.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Diaspora Revolt (2nd nomination)
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:52, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
- I will review this nomination. – Editør (talk) 10:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- The article is new enough (GA passed on 30 October 2024), is long enough (8743 characters of prose), has no copyright violations (per GA review), and is presentable (per GA review and readthrough). The hook is cited to a reliable offline source (accepted in good faith) and interesting. ALT1 is too complicated and ALT2 centers around her executor. QPQ was done. – Editør (talk) 11:11, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
Valse in A minor (Chopin)
- ... that the discovery of a new waltz by Chopin (pictured) has been announced by The New York Times?
Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 11:19, 31 October 2024 (UTC).
- Note to DYK reviewer: article was moved per talk page discussion ("Title"). I have tried my best to update the templates; there seems to be no need to move this DYK subpage itself. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 13:11, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Updated again due to a second page move, this time without discussion. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:24, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- New enough, long enough and well-written. The hook is good and supported by an inline citation to a reliable source (in fact, the rediscovery has been reported quite widely in civilised media). QPQ has been made and copyright tag of the image is fine. There should be no problems. One thing to watch out for before promoting would perhaps be if there are any major updates to the article between the review and the posting, considering it is a bit of a developing story. Nice article, great piece for DYK. Kind regards, Yakikaki (talk) 15:21, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Regulus (painting)
- ... that a man stabbed the painting Regulus (pictured) because he disliked the "misty state of the picture"?
- Source: * Beaumont, Matthew (2020). "Reason Dazzled: The All-Seeing and the Unseeing in Turner's Regulus". British Art Studies (15). doi:10.17658/issn.2058-5462/issue-15/mbeaumont. ISSN 2058-5462.
ALT1: ... that the painting Regulus (pictured) depicts a Roman general who was blinded by the sun? Source: * Beaumont, Matthew (2020). "Reason Dazzled: The All-Seeing and the Unseeing in Turner's Regulus". British Art Studies (15). doi:10.17658/issn.2058-5462/issue-15/mbeaumont. ISSN 2058-5462.ALT2: ... that J. M. W. Turner repainted Regulus (pictured) by "driving" white paint into the center of the canvas? Source: * Cust, Lionel (1895). "The Portraits of J. M. W. Turner, R.A." The Magazine of Art. Open Court Publishing Co. pp. 245–251.- Reviewed:
CitrusHemlock 13:11, 30 October 2024 (UTC).
- Hi CitrusHemlock, review follows: article moved to mainspace on 30 October and far exceeds minimum length; it is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable (largely offline) sources; I didn't pick up on any issues with overly close paraphrasing; image is obviously magnificent and PD by virtue of age; no QPQ is required as nominator has only one prior DYK credit; ALT01 is stated in the article and checks out to source cited. I have struck ALT1 as the article states there is doubt that Regulus himself appears in the piece and ALT2 as the article only says that "Gilbert claims" the driving in of the paint was done. Happy to consider alternative hooks if you want to suggest any? - Dumelow (talk) 14:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Dumelow: Thanks for reviewing the nom so quickly! I was a bit sloppy with the phrasing of the ALTs, the first could probably be rephraised to "...that the painting Regulus is based on a Roman general who was blinded by the sun?" and the second "...that J. M. W. Turner reportedly repainted Regulus by "driving" white paint into the center of the canvas?" Regardless, the stabbing is the most compelling hook in my opinion, but any of them would work well. CitrusHemlock 17:54, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on October 31
[edit]Tony Pajaczkowski
- ... that due to difficulty in pronouncing his name, one Canadian football announcer refused to mention Tony Pajaczkowski in game broadcasts for several years?
- Source: The Expositor / Albertan
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gonzalo Brenes
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QPQ to be done within 24 hours.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC).
Review: Missing QPQ. Minor issues with years in article (1955-1959) related to hook. Everything else passes. I tried using the template -- see source here -- but it isn't showing up, help?ProfGray (talk) 04:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Update: all concerns addressed, this is good to go! Initial review: Minor disconnect with years, betw source and article: the hook finesses this, but the article still needs to be correct on this point, right? Not seeing a QPQ -- if done, please edit nomination, if not done, I can wait but others may have concern. Caution -- do not use the image in DYK (though image not nominated, which is fine). ProfGray (talk) 00:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- You had put the review inside of the text <!-- --> which results in it being hidden. I moved the review so its viewable. I already included a review; see the text above where it says
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gonzalo Brenes
– will look into the years issue soon. BeanieFan11 (talk) 04:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for fixing my mistake w template. QPQ -- this comes across as a bit confusing, you wrote in November that you'd do it in 24 hours but the QPQ had been done in September. Please ping me when you fix the years thing. Thanks! ProfGray (talk) 04:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- PS, you've done an amazing number of DYKs and GAs, wow. ProfGray (talk) 04:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- @ProfGray: Thanks – I changed the article to say it was
in all of the Calgary game broadcasts over a period of three years
to match the source. As for the QPQ, I probably should have just removed the "24 hours" part... I had initially planned to do one within 24 hours of the nom but then remembered I had a spare one. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)- Great, thanks for your responsiveness, I updated my review comments and this is ready to go! ProfGray (talk) 00:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- @ProfGray: Thanks – I changed the article to say it was
Mountain Landscape
- ... that Mountain Landscape is said to defy photographic reproduction by its former curator, who claims the immersive depth and luminosity of the painting can only be fully experienced in person?
- Source: Hertzlieb, Gregg (Fall/Winter 2009-2010). "Frederic Edwin Church: Mountain Landscape". Valparaiso Poetry Review. Valparaiso University. XI (1).
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Burrito Express: Template:Did you know nominations/Disputes on Wikipedia; Template:Did you know nominations/It's OK I'm OK
Viriditas (talk) 06:35, 1 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Hook is interesting, good to go. Sahaib (talk) 23:54, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 1
[edit]Annie Huggett
- ... that as a teenager in the 1900s, Annie Huggett organised suffragette meetings at her local pub?
- Source: "Annie Huggett was born Annie Clara French in Halstead, Essex, in 1892 ... Though Annie was never arrested, she was very much part of the suffragette movement, and organised meetings for the cause in the former George Inn in Barking Broadway – known then as the Three Lamps – when she was just 18." from: Hedges-Stocks, Zoah (21 September 2016). "Post Memories: Women's centre named after Barking suffragette Annie Huggett". Barking and Dagenham Post. Retrieved 28 October 2024.
- ALT1: ... that at 103 years old, Annie Huggett was the oldest surviving suffragette at the time of her 1996 death? Source: "Annie was proud to be both the country’s oldest surviving suffragette and the longest card-carrying member of the Labour Party. ,,, The Red Flag was sung at Annie’s funeral in 1996 when she was laid to rest in Rippleside Cemetery." from the same source
- ALT2: ... that because of her republican beliefs, Annie Huggett's family hid from her the telegram sent by Elizabeth II to mark a British person's 100th birthday? Source: "He last saw Annie in May 1992 on her 100th birthday and remembers two cards being pride of place on her mantelpiece – one was from the Labour Party, the other was from Barking Town FC ... He said both were very important to her – but there was one birthday message that certainly wasn’t on display: her message from the Queen. When Gerry asked Annie’s daughter about its whereabouts he was told that they had hidden it for fear of offending her as she was a lifelong and staunch republican." from the same source
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Johnny Fripp
Dumelow (talk) 08:03, 1 November 2024 (UTC).
- Reviewing... New enough, long enough, reads well. Will go through rest soon. Whispyhistory (talk) 08:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- ... No copyvio issues. QPQ provided. Hooks all good and are in article and sources. Whispyhistory (talk) 18:33, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
David Hilchen
- ... that David Hilchen played a key role in the establishment of Renaissance humanism in the area of the present-day Baltic states? Source: Viiding 2024, p. 119-120
Yakikaki (talk) 15:31, 1 November 2024 (UTC).
- Interesting life and work, on few but fine sources, no copyvio obvious. I like the interesting short hook! I have a few wishes for the article: 1) give him an infobox, or it looks as if it was an article about a coat of arms, 2) avoid "would" - everything is now past, 3) bring the refs above the cited sources - no idea why German and others have it differently, but in English, that's normal, 4) formal the one source that's not yet among Cited sources like the others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much Gerda! I will go through the article and make some of the improvements you suggest, and certainly change the order of refs and cited sourced. I really dislike infoboxes though. Yakikaki (talk) 18:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- ...though upon reflection, in this case you're right, an infobox makes the coat of arms look less awkward. Added. Thanks again Gerda! Yakikaki (talk) 19:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much Gerda! I will go through the article and make some of the improvements you suggest, and certainly change the order of refs and cited sourced. I really dislike infoboxes though. Yakikaki (talk) 18:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Arthur France
- ... that Arthur France founded the first West Indian carnival in Europe?
- Source: ref 5 (url:https://lucas.leeds.ac.uk/article/the-leeds-west-indian-carnival-is-fifty) 'The Carnival in Leeds reached its fiftieth consecutive performance in August 2017, proudly maintaining its original title: The Leeds West Indian Carnival (LWIC). It was the first Caribbean-style street carnival in Europe' .. 'Nevis-born Arthur France ... pulled together the committee that created the early carnivals in Leeds'
- ALT1: ... that when Arthur France founded the Leeds West Indian Carnival in 1967, it was the first Caribbean carnival in Europe? Source: same source
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Trilobite Wilderness
Chaiten1 (talk) 20:45, 1 November 2024 (UTC).
- Article is new, long enough and neutral. It is sourced with inline citations. "Earwig's Copyvio Detector" reports no crucial text similarities commenting "violation unlikely". Both hooks are well-formatted and interesting.Their length is within limit. They are accurate with reference given inline. QPQ was done. Good to go. CeeGee 10:55, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Peter Capaldi
- ... that Doctor Who star Peter Capaldi (pictured) was a fan of the series as a child?
- ALT1: ... that Twelfth Doctor actor Peter Capaldi (pictured) was a fan of Doctor Who as child? Source: https://ew.com/article/2014/08/01/once-upon-time-lord/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dune (Kenshi Yonezu song)
Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 21:47, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Epicgenius (talk) 01:17, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Might be interesting to note Capaldi's age when he played the Doctor, then! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Light Vessel 93
- ... that Light Vessel 93 (pictured) was converted into a photography studio?
- Source: "A 40-metre-long former lighthouse vessel and celebrity photo studio up for sale in Royal Victoria Dock for £595,000 through Riverhomes." from: Clover, Jack (1 September 2021). "Lighthouse ship that played host to a Bond girl for sale for £595k". The Standard. Retrieved 30 October 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Shaykh Badr
- Comment: Could run as a double-hook with Template:Did you know nominations/Light Vessel 95, if desired
Dumelow (talk) 16:07, 1 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: @Dumelow, nice work on this article. Do you still want to run this as a double hook with Template:Did you know nominations/Light Vessel 95, because that nomination has already been reviewed? Epicgenius (talk) 01:20, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks Epicgenius, I am happy for them to run separately. Was just putting the option out there as there is usually a backlog of approved hooks - Dumelow (talk) 09:04, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- All right, then. My previous approval is unchanged. Epicgenius (talk) 14:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Dune (Kenshi Yonezu song)
- ... that the 2017 Vocaloid song "Dune" composed by Kenshi Yonezu has a music video that was viewed over one million times over the span of less than a week on the Japanese video-sharing site NicoNico?
- ALT1: ... that the 2017 Vocaloid song "Dune" written by Kenshi Yonezu for Hatsune Miku's 10th anniversary features lyrics about the demise of life? Source: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2017/10/31/music/kenshi-yonezu-hopes-fireworks-new-album-bootleg/
- ALT2: ... that the 2017 Vocaloid song "Dune" worked by Kenshi Yonezu is much slower compared to many other Vocaloid songs, at only 95 BPM? Source: https://natalie.mu/music/pp/hachi_ryo/page/3
- Reviewed:
ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 09:19, 1 November 2024 (UTC).
I made a small copy edit but beyond that the content is fine, earwig has less then 10% overlap. QPQ not need congrats on your first DYK! Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 21:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- @OlifanofmrTennant: Thanks! But it seems the DYK template not working well? ときさき くるみ not because they are easy, but because they are hard 18:12, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 2
[edit]Patrick J. Ryan (chaplain)
- ... that after the liberation of Rome, U.S. Army chaplain Patrick Ryan celebrated a Mass of Thanksgiving in the Church of Santa Maria degli Angeli e dei Martiri for 10,000 people?
- Source: "Cardinal Presides At Historic Service In Liberated Rome". The Nebraska Register. June 18, 1944. Retrieved 30 July 2024.
~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 00:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC).
- Hi Darth Stabro, review follows: article promoted to GA on 3 November; article is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources; I didn't pick up on any overly close paraphrasing from the sources in a spot check; hook fact is interesting, stated in article and supported by citations (I note one source says "almost 10,000" and one says "more than 10,000" so I think you are OK just stating 10,000); a QPQ has been carried out; my only query is on the image: do you have confirmation that it is a work of a US military person, I couldn't see anything in the source? It is likely to be the case but we should confirm - Dumelow (talk) 18:54, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Howdy Dumelow, the photographer is a historical researcher and I can't imagine where else it would be from other than an official photo; however you're right, it's not 100%, and I don't have the time to try to confirm it this week - probably best to do it without the photo. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 14:33, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Darth Stabro, no worries. Happy to approve to run without image - Dumelow (talk) 14:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Codex Monacensis (X 033)
- ... that a manuscript of the New Testament was bound with the books in the wrong order, to which a scholar decried "[he] has messed everything up"?
- Source: [1]
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Stephen Walch (talk) 18:12, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
- Hi Stephen: this article, promoted to GA on November 1, is new enough, long enough, well-sourced, and presentable. No copyvio or close paraphrase. Hook sourced, short enough, and interesting. QPQ does not need to be done. Best, Tenpop421 (talk) 02:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Stephen Walch and Tenpop421: Would something closer to the article's text like below not be more clear. In the original hook "[he]" seems to refer to the scholar at first.
- ALTX... that a manuscript of the New Testament was bound in the wrong order, to which a scholar decried "the bookbinder has messed everything up"?
- Feel free to cross off the hook above if not interested, Rjjiii (talk) 02:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: That will suit me, Rjjiii. :) Stephen Walch (talk) 13:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Stephen Walch and Tenpop421: Would something closer to the article's text like below not be more clear. In the original hook "[he]" seems to refer to the scholar at first.
References
- ^ Gregory, Caspar René (1900). Textkritik des Neuen Testaments. Vol. 1. Leipzig: J.C. Hinrichs. pp. 82–83.
Oscar Goodman (basketball)
- ... that Oscar Goodman is New Zealand's only global basketball tournament 1st team all-tournament honoree since 2002?
TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:23, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Covered for newness, length, sourcing, neutrality, is plagiarism-free, and the hook is cited and interesting. QPQ done. Good to go on this one! Sims2aholic8 (talk) 18:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- What's a "global basketball tournament 1st team all-tournament honoree"? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Goodman has participated in three FIBA sanctioned tournaments. The first was just a regional competition for countries in Oceania. The second was a tournament for countries in Asia (and/including Oceania). The third was for countries around the world. I use the term global to mean a tournament open to worldwide/global contestants. Such tournaments select honorary teams to recognize the best performers in the tournament. These teams are called all-tournament teams and the players chosen are honorees. Sometimes the tournament will select a best five (the first team) and a next best five (the second team).-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:05, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
Amer Ghalib
- ... that Democrat mayor Amer Ghalib endorsed Donald Trump in the 2024 presidential election?
- ALT1 ... that mayor of Hamtramck Amer Ghalib worked with what was believed to be the first all-Muslim city council in the United States?
- Source: https://archive.today/E7zg4
- ALT2 ... that the Hamtramck city council led by mayor Amer Ghalib banned the pride flag from publicly owned flagpoles?
- Source: https://apnews.com/article/hamtramck-michigan-lgbtq-flags-cb4a05064e5cc6882f3072966e66a413
Sahaib (talk) 23:56, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
- I will take this review. Dwkaminski (talk) 12:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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Review comments:
- I don't see the support for the statement "A member of the Democratic Party, he worked with what was believed to be the first all-Muslim city council in the United States." in the newsweek reference. It should be referenced to the fox news website. I can't read the NY Times reference but AGF.
- I don't see the support for the statement "Ghalib acknowledged their disagreements on key issues but that he believed that Trump would end the Israel–Hamas war." in the two references given
- Earwig copyvio detector shows 13.0% - violation unlikely
- @Sahaib: Overall very good. Just minor sourcing issues listed above. Please fix and I will approve. Dwkaminski (talk) 13:17, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Dwkaminski: sorry about the sources, a lot were added by another user (see history). The Newsweek source states that he was a member of the Democratic Party whilst the New York Times sources the rest. The Newsweek sources states "acknowledging some disagreements with the former president" and in the New York Times it states that "President Biden’s support of Israel and a belief that Mr. Trump will end the conflict in the Middle East." You can view the source in its archived form. Sahaib (talk) 13:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Sahaib: All good. approved! Dwkaminski (talk) 14:10, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Personally I'm not sure this is interesting enough for DYK. We saw plenty of people cross party lines to endorse Biden or Harris, and I don't believe those would be interesting enough for DYK either. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:25, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Hey man im josh: I have added some alt hooks. Sahaib (talk) 17:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- The alt hooks are much more interesting than what was originally proposed, which seemed relatively run of the mill. Thanks for the additions @Sahaib:. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Hey man im josh: I have added some alt hooks. Sahaib (talk) 17:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 3
[edit]Cathedral Cemetery
... that Cathedral Cemetery was the first Catholic cemetery established in Philadelphia?
- Source: It was founded in 1849 by the Archdiocese of Philadelphia and is the first catholic cemetery founded in Philadelphia. (guidetophilly.com)
- ALT1: ... that over 50 members of the 69th Pennsylvania Infantry are interred at Cathedral Cemetery in Philadelphia? Source: The cemetery contains the burial of over 50 members of the 69th Pennsylvania Infantry Regiment, a volunteer regiment of Irish immigrants that fought at the Battle of Gettysburg and other major battles of the American Civil War. (Keels - page 97)
- ALT2: ... that the funds from the sale of burial lots at Cathedral Cemetery in Philadelphia were used for the construction of the Cathedral Basilica of Saints Peter and Paul? Source: The cemetery was named Cathedral Cemetery since funds raised by the sale of burial lots were intended for the construction of the Cathedral Basilica of Saints Peter and Paul. (Keels - page 91)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Amer Ghalib
Dwkaminski (talk) 19:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: The article exceeds the 1,500-character minimum of readable prose. The information is succinct and informative, written in a neutral tone, with no apparent bias or promotional language. While the article is sourced adequately, it could benefit from a few more inline citations in the "Notable burials" section (Please note that all of the individuals listed can be verified via their respective Wikipedia pages, but citations linking to reliable secondary sources would strengthen the section). I checked for potential plagiarism or close paraphrasing using online tools, and the content seems original. I noticed the DYK submission currently lacks an image, the free image in the article would enhance the article's visual appeal and could engage readers more effectively. A nice read, all three hooks are valid and more or less interesting. For me it's good to go. el.ziade (talkallam) 13:29, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
ALT0 is not accurate. The infant Ann White was buried at St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church (Philadelphia) in 1765, almost a century before this cemetery was founded.[8][9][10]Rjjiii (talk) 02:17, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: Thanks for this catch. I've updated the wikipedia page to read "the first of 12 diocesan cemeteries built in the Philadelphia area". I think the other ALTs are fine so I will not propose an alternate to ALT0. Dwkaminski (talk) 14:22, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! No issues with the other two hooks, Rjjiii (talk) 04:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Marie Denizard
- ... that Marie Denizard (pictured) was the first woman to stand as a candidate in a French presidential election even though French women did not achieve suffrage until 1944?
- Reviewed:
MumphingSquirrel (talk) 00:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC).
- ALT1 ... that Marie Denizard (pictured) stood as a candidate in a French presidential election in 1913 even though French women did not achieve suffrage until 1944? same sources as ALT, a slight rephrasing. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 01:10, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
The article is quite long and very well written so I can excuse the fact that it is not quite as fresh as it should be. I am more concerned about the fact that I can find almost nothing about this woman via Google, Google Books, or Google Scholar that was not published after the French Wikipedia's article about her. It seems so unlikely that the first woman to stand as a candidate for president of France should be so little known. I was able to find just enough to ascertain that she did indeed exist, but I am still a bit uneasy. MumphingSquirrel, do you have access to the 1910s sources cited in the article? Surtsicna (talk) 19:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi Surtsicna thanks for the prompts. I have now added url links to the 1910 docs which are accessible online. Hope this helps confirm her candidacy - she really has been one of the notable women forgotten by history until recently MumphingSquirrel (talk) 16:57, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Wonderful. Thanks. It is quite astonishing that she was so thoroughly forgotten. Perhaps DYK can help change that! Surtsicna (talk) 22:28, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
Gail Damerow
- ... that farmer, teacher, and author Gail Damerow was described by Grist magazine as "poultry's Cesar Millan"?
- ALT1: ... that Gail Damerow's book described by the New York Times as the "authoritative book on ice cream" was created because of the lack of good recipes in her ice cream maker's recipe booklet? Source: "The scoop on ice cream" - The Knoxville News-Sentinel
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Boxheim Documents
SilverserenC 01:30, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
- Interesting hook but slight problems that could be resolved before I can complete a final confirmation for it to be approved for DYK. Overall the article has no copyright problems and both the hooks are mentioned in the article. But the problem is related to how the hooks are mentioned in the article. As I see when it comes to ALT1, it mentions that ' that Gail Damerow's book described by the New York Times as the "authoritative book on ice cream" was created because of the lack of good recipes in her ice cream maker's recipe booklet?. However in the article where the hook ('Awards and Honors') is mentioned, it just states 'described by The New York Times as the authoritative book on ice cream'. Hope you can fix this issue by adding more of the ALT1's fact here. The first hook is fine. So just fix the stated issue and after that I can give green light for your article for DYK. - Toadboy123 (talk) 09:54, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Toadboy123, do you mean the part of the hook on why the book was created? Because that's in the beginning of the Career section, with the source I gave above. SilverserenC 22:45, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Silver seren I suggest that you mention the hook also in the 'Awards and Honors' section so that readers can easily notice it when they read the article. - Toadboy123 (talk) 13:13, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Toadboy123, I wasn't aware of that being a requirement for hooks? I've had a number of hooks that involved multiple parts of an article. And the info about the inspiration for the book doesn't really fit in an Awards section, particularly since it has to do with events in her life and where she was living. SilverserenC 22:00, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- In that case, then the article is all good to go then. - Toadboy123 (talk) 13:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Toadboy123, I wasn't aware of that being a requirement for hooks? I've had a number of hooks that involved multiple parts of an article. And the info about the inspiration for the book doesn't really fit in an Awards section, particularly since it has to do with events in her life and where she was living. SilverserenC 22:00, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Silver seren I suggest that you mention the hook also in the 'Awards and Honors' section so that readers can easily notice it when they read the article. - Toadboy123 (talk) 13:13, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Toadboy123, do you mean the part of the hook on why the book was created? Because that's in the beginning of the Career section, with the source I gave above. SilverserenC 22:45, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Fukushima nuclear accident
- ... that residents evacuated in the wake of the Fukushima nuclear accident were exposed to so little radiation that radiation-induced health effects are likely to be below detectable levels?
- Source: "Outside the geographical areas most affected by radiation, even in locations within Fuku-
shima prefecture, the predicted risks remain low and no observable increases in cancer
above natural variation in baseline rates are anticipated" page 8: https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/78218/9789241505130_eng.pdf;jsessionid=5D2A9C6FCDE7BA3C9686CED940B05E3A?sequence=1- ALT1: ... that during the Fukushima nuclear accident officials were told not to use the phrase "core meltdown" in order to conceal the meltdown until they officially recognized it two months after the accident? Source: " Tepco asked a third-party panel to investigate the matter and the panel released a report on 16 June saying the company’s then-president, Masataka Shimizu, had instructed officials not to use the words "core meltdown"." https://www.neimagazine.com/news/tepco-concealed-core-meltdowns-during-fukushima-accident-4931915/
- ALT2: ... that the Fukushima nuclear accident was foreseeable and preventable? Source: "The accident "cannot be regarded as a natural disaster," the panel's chairman, Tokyo University professor emeritus Kiyoshi Kurokawa, wrote in the report. "It was a profoundly manmade disaster -- that could and should have been foreseen and prevented. And its effects could have been mitigated by a more effective human response."" https://www.smh.com.au/world/fukushima-nuclear-accident--manmade-not-natural--disaster-20120705-21jrl.html
- Reviewed:
Czarking0 (talk) 20:40, 4 November 2024 (UTC).
- @Czarking0: I'll start by addressing WP:DYKNEW. This article last appeared at In the news on 12 April 2011, and the on this day on 11 March 2023. This was over one year ago, so it can go on the main page again.
- The article recently became a good article so it is eligible for DYK. Earwig's is not working so i'll assume good faith when it comes to copyvios. QPQ not needed.
- I'll review ALT0 (I think it is the most interesting). The hook matches the article.
- I'm worried about the source for this hook because it is a preliminary report, which uses predictions of health effects rather than observations. It also doesn't say about the evacuations and also says
In the highest dose location ... For leukaemia, the lifetime risks are predicted to increase by up to around 7% over baseline cancer rates in males exposed as infants
However, a 2020 source says thatNo adverse health effects among Fukushima residents have been documented that are directly attributable to radiation exposure from the FDNPS accident
. So I'll approve, with caution. ―Panamitsu (talk) 05:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Jiangwan Racecourse
- ... that the Jiangwan Racecourse (pictured) hosted horse races, a golf club, and prisoners of war?
- Source: Sports facilities: Chen Yangyang (陈洋阳) (5 February 2016). 老上海体育建筑遗存:江湾跑马厅民国时期面貌考 参考网 [Remains of Old Shanghai Sports Buildings: A Study of the Appearance of the Jiangwan Racecourse during the Republic of China Period]. Sports Research (in Chinese). 4. Archived from the original on 21 April 2024. Retrieved 3 November 2024 – via Back Issue Magazine Reading Platform and Reference Network.;
- ALT1: ... that British forces severed a Chinese railway line after an aircraft was forced to land at the Jiangwan Racecourse (pictured)? Source: "Firm Action by British Military in Shanghai". The North-China Herald. Shanghai. 20 August 1927. pp. 309–310. Retrieved 3 November 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Benjamin Franklin Shumard
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:13, 3 November 2024 (UTC).
- Hi Chris Woodrich, review follows: article moved to mainspace on 3 November and exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout; I am not familiar with all of the sources (particularly the none-English ones) but happy to AGF that they are all reliable; image looks to be PD (as was in public domain at URAA date); hooks facts are mentioned in the article and check out to source cited, my preference is probably for ALT0 as the connection between the aircraft landing and dismantling the railway is not obvious to the reader; a QPQ has been carried out; I didn't pick up on any overly close paraprasing in a spotcheck and Earwig doesn't flag up any issues. Looks OK to me - Dumelow (talk) 16:27, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
St John the Evangelist Church, Islington
- ... that Augustus Pugin called St John the Evangelist Church, Islington a "deformity", which was refuted by Joseph Hansom?
- Source: Historic England. "Islington – St John the Evangelist". Taking Stock. Quote: "Pugin castigated the Romanesque Revival building as ‘the most original combination of modern deformity that has been executed for some time past’. In response, the design was defended by Joseph Hansom in The Builder."
- Joseph Hansom. 1 April 1843. "The Present State of Ecclesiastical Architecture in England". The Builder Volume 1, page 98. Quote: "This church, so far from exhibiting the adoption of true Catholic principles, which we have had so much pleasure in describing at Masbro’, is certainly the most original combination of modern deformity that has been erected for some time past for the sacred purpose of a Catholic church," and, "And now, we tell our readers that this new church of Islington, which Mr. Scoles has built, and which Mr. Pugin insists he ought not to have built, and which he has done no little damage to by his strictures, depriving it of the contribution of many whose purses yield more to dictation in such matters than to reason or to judgment; this church of Mr. Scoles is withal a fine and noble church."
- Denis Evinson, Catholic Churches of London, Sheffield: Sheffield Academic Press, 1998, page 140. Quote: "Scoles's neo-Norman design was severely castigated by Pugin in The Dublin review, in which he called for a rebuilding of Islington's mediaeval Gothic church. Joseph Hansom, however, powerfully defended Scoles's church in the pages of The Builder, of which he was then editor, pointing out that Catholicism had other 'beautiful forms, styles and adaptations in store for us."
Cardofk (talk) 21:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC).
- Hi Cardofk, nice work on this article. Review follows: article created 3 November and is of good length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources (though I usually avoid British Listed Buildings as it is a mirror of the Historic England listing; I didn't pick up on any paraphrasing issues; hook fact is interesting enough for me, mentioned in the article and checks out to sources cited; image is freely licensed; a QPQ has been carried out. Looks good to go - Dumelow (talk) 08:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- One minor thing I had a quick look at the Archdiocese directory page cited and found ti listed the Sunday masses as "Sunday (Sat 6pm), 9.30am, 11am (Sung)" and not the four times you have? One other thing you might consider is adding some background to the "foundation" section on why Catholicism was practised in secret and the timing of the Catholic relief acts, the unknowing reader might otherwise be a little confused how we went from arresting priests to constructing a church - Dumelow (talk) 08:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, very good point, thanks for spotting it, I really should have linked to the Reformation at the beginning. Will do. Thanks again, Cardofk (talk) 08:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- One minor thing I had a quick look at the Archdiocese directory page cited and found ti listed the Sunday masses as "Sunday (Sat 6pm), 9.30am, 11am (Sung)" and not the four times you have? One other thing you might consider is adding some background to the "foundation" section on why Catholicism was practised in secret and the timing of the Catholic relief acts, the unknowing reader might otherwise be a little confused how we went from arresting priests to constructing a church - Dumelow (talk) 08:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
Mary Robertson
- ... that Mary Robertson was the first woman to receive a Doctor of Science in Medicine from the University of Cape Town? Source: [1]
- Reviewed:
Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 20:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC).
- article is new enough, long enough and within policy. Hook is short enough and interesting. QPQ is not required. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Robertson entertains her doctors". UCT News. 4 May 2010. Retrieved 3 November 2024.
Abu Sulayman Da'ud
- ... that Arab physician Abu Sulayman Da'ud was recruited by the Latin king of Jerusalem to treat a disabled boy prince, while Abu Sulayman's son taught the prince to ride a horse using only his knees?
- Source: "Abu Sulayman worked for the king for a while, even treating his son Baldwin's leprosy..." Zimo p. 158 "He also engaged Abul’Khair, Abu Sulayman’s brother, to teach the boy to ride ... with his knees alone." Hamilton p. 28
- ALT1: ... that Arab Christian physician Abu Sulayman Da'ud served both Latin Christian and Arab Muslim rulers? Source: "This Eastern Christian family thus knit together different political and religious groups of the region by bringing their medical expertise to serve both the Franks and the Ayyubids. Zimo p. 159
- ALT2: ... that Arab Christian physician Abu Sulayman Da'ud treated the Christian prince Baldwin of Jerusalem, but as an astrologer sent a message to Baldwin's enemy Saladin prophesizing Saladin's victory? Source: "... he also took a message from his father, a noted astrologer, to Saladin, assuring him that he would conquer Jerusalem." Hamilton p. 186
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Czarodziejski okręt
- Comment: Hamilton describes Abu Khayr in his 2000 book as Abu Sulayman's brother. Other cited sources, as well as Hamilton in his 1980 book, describes Abu Khayr as Abu Sulayman's son.
Surtsicna (talk) 18:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: New article with 2380 characters, well-sourced with inline citations. I reviewed all cited sources for verification; all sources are accessible. No issues with copyvio or tone. All hooks are interesting, well-researched, and properly cited. Thank you for writing about Abu Sulayman, an exceptional figure whose life bridged cultural and religious divides. As an Arab Christian, I appreciate how this article highlights the contributions of Eastern Christians, and Arabs in general in medicine and science. el.ziade (talkallam) 10:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Carlyle Hotel
- ... that the Carlyle Hotel had to be sold just two years after its completion? Source: Gray, Christopher (October 28, 2001). "Streetscapes/The Carlyle Hotel, 76th Street and Madison Avenue; Art Deco Tower Where President Kennedy Stayed". The New York Times.
- ALT1: ... that the Carlyle Hotel, which had to be sold just two years after its completion, later became the "White House of Manhattan"? Source: Gray, Christopher (October 28, 2001). "Streetscapes/The Carlyle Hotel, 76th Street and Madison Avenue; Art Deco Tower Where President Kennedy Stayed". The New York Times; Talese, Gay (February 7, 1964). "Madison Avenue: A Street of Presidents and Poise". The New York Times
- ALT2: ... that a Carlyle Hotel staffer once lent his own bow tie to Laurence Olivier for a dinner? Source: Agovino, Theresa (November 21, 1988). "Secrets of Carlyle's Success". Crain's New York Business. Vol. 4, no. 47. p. 3.
- ALT3: ... that during the construction of the Carlyle Hotel, the pipes in its bathrooms were changed after its developer's son visited two nearby construction sites? Source: Brenner, Marie (December 19, 1983). "The Inside Story of the Carlyle". New York Magazine. New York Media, LLC. p. 31.
- ALT4: ... that the Carlyle Hotel, once known as the "White House of Manhattan", has also hosted royalty? Source: Talese, Gay (February 7, 1964). "Madison Avenue: A Street of Presidents and Poise". The New York Times; Birmingham, Stephen (March 1, 1992). "New York is Full of Luxury Hotels, but There's Nothing Else Quite Like the Fabled Carlyle-remarkably Comfortable, Distinctively Stylish and Very Discreet". Los Angeles Times. p. 26
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Wuhan trolleybus route 1
- Comment: I will probably come up with more hooks later.
Epicgenius (talk) 01:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC).
- Certainly updated recently, with a 114k-character expansion, so new enough, and long enough. It is well-sourced and not too closely paraphrased. The hooks are short and interesting. I would go for ALT1, for me it's the most interesting/surprising, but I'm happy with all of them (and who's knows what other hooks are in store). And QPQ has been done. If there is a problem, I cannot find it. Thank you. Cardofk (talk) 21:32, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Michael O'Kane
- ... that Michael O'Kane never received approval to begin constructing a building for the College of the Holy Cross?
- Source: Kuzniewski, Anthony J. (1999). Thy Honored Name: A History of the College of the Holy Cross, 1843–1994. Washington, D.C.: Catholic University of America Press. pp. 148–149. ISBN 978-0-81320-911-1. Archived from the original on March 25, 2020. Retrieved August 26, 2023 – via Google Books.
Ergo Sum 03:48, 4 November 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review - but the current version of ALT0 doesn't seem very clear: is the word 'before' needed? @Ergo Sum: Chaiten1 (talk) 11:38, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Chaiten1: That was a typo. I've fixed it. Ergo Sum 16:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- This is a newly created article, which is well written, well sourced and has no copyvio issues. The hook is interesting, a good length, and checks out with the source (verified in google books); the hook is appropriately referenced in the article. QPQ has been done. Nice work! Chaiten1 (talk) 17:16, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 4
[edit]Anthony F. Ciampi
- ... that Anthony F. Ciampi (pictured) rebuilt the College of the Holy Cross after it was destroyed by fire in 1852?
- Source: Kuzniewski, Anthony J. (1999). Thy Honored Name: A History of the College of the Holy Cross, 1843-1994. Washington, D.C.: Catholic University of America Press. pp. 77, 103. ISBN 9780813209111. Archived from the original on December 15, 2018. Retrieved December 15, 2018 – via Google Books.
- ALT1: ... that Anthony F. Ciampi (pictured) fought his superiors to rebuild the College of the Holy Cross after it was destroyed by fire in 1852? Source: Kuzniewski, Anthony J. (1999). Thy Honored Name: A History of the College of the Holy Cross, 1843-1994. Washington, D.C.: Catholic University of America Press. pp. 81–82. ISBN 9780813209111. Archived from the original on December 15, 2018. Retrieved December 15, 2018 – via Google Books.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nocturna (band)
Ergo Sum 17:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC).
- Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Looks good. Nice work. Either hook works. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Standard-winged nightjar
- ... that during breeding season, the male standard-winged nightjar (pictured) grows a wing ornament over twice the length of its body?
- Source: Cleere, N.; Kirwan, G. M. (2020). del Hoyo, J.; Elliott, A.; Sargatal, J.; Christie, D. A.; de Juana, E. (eds.). "Standard-winged Nightjar (Caprimulgus longipennis), version 1.0". Birds of the World Online. Cornell Lab of Ornithology, Ithaca, NY. doi:10.2173/bow.stwnig1.01.
21–22 cm (excluding male's "standards", which reach 45–53·5 cm in length)
Reconrabbit 22:33, 4 November 2024 (UTC).
- The article is fine in every respect (long enough, well-written and recently enough promoted to GA), and the hook is good, but it is not backed up by the wording in the article. In the article it simply says that the standards are "much longer" than the body, now "twice the length". There should also be an inline citation supporting the claim directly after the sentence in which it is made. It's a small fix, after which the article should be ready for DYK. Yakikaki (talk) 22:31, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- I believe that the length given of
a broad secondary flight feather[4] on each wing elongated to up to 53.5 centimetres
makes sense to describe as "twice the length of its body" since earlier the bird's length is given asthis medium-sized (20–23 centimetres (7.9–9.1 in) long) nightjar
and 53.5÷2=26.75 > 23 cm. Though since it's "up to" I could see justifying adding "that can be" after "wing ornament" in the hook. Additionally the quote in the source describes the bird's body as "21-22 cm" and immediately after gives a minimum length of 45 cm with the standards. I could change it to say directly in the article "over twice the length" instead of just "much longer" though. Reconrabbit 00:10, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- I believe that the length given of
- Sure, I wasn't arguing that the facts were not in the article or not supported by the inline citations. DYK used to have a rule, though, which stated "The facts of the hook need to appear in the article with a citation no later than at the end of the sentences in which they appear." However I see now that the rules have changed and become more flexible, and I can therefore happily drop this minor objection and give the green light to the article. Nice work! Yakikaki (talk) 15:51, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
Yoon Do-young
- ... that Yoon Do-young (pictured) scored his debut goal for Daejeon Hana Citizen 50 seconds into its match against Gwangju FC?
✗plicit 12:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Looks good to. Both articles new enough, long enough. Hook fact is cited in the flag article. AGF on Korean sources. FaysaLBinDaruL (talk) 16:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 5
[edit]Miles Rock
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that Miles Rock, one of the first graduates of Lehigh University in 1869, helped determine the Guatemala–Mexico border?
Page 979, "he graduated as Civil Engineer with the first class of Lehigh in 1869". Page 979, "he served as Chief of the Guatemala Boundary Commission, charged
with the duty of determining and locating the disputed frontier between Guatemala and Mexico"
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Peel's Cut
- Comment: Just created the article, fascinating individual, will try to get a photo uploaded... Also, I did a QPQ because I have a bunch of DYK's from a few years ago
dm (talk) 23:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
- I will take this review. Dwkaminski (talk) 21:33, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Earwig's copyvio detector shows 11.5% - violation unlikely. No qpq required but still did one - Bravo! I recommend to remove Lehigh University from the hook. Maybe a connection between his name (Rock) and being a geologist? "Miles Rock, a geologist, helped determine the border between Guatemala and Mexico"? Dwkaminski (talk) 21:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Dmadeo: I listed the review as "maybe". Take a look and let me know if you have any questions. Dwkaminski (talk) 22:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Dwkaminski: Thanks for the review! I'm just amazed he goes from the Civil War to the first class at Lehigh (bias: I went there) to helping found an observatory in Argentina to defining the boundary of two countries in really rough terrain without just saying it was the middle of a river. He wasn't "just" a geologist, like many engineers and scientists in that time, he was many things. Plus, his descendants gave a treasure trove of materials to Lehigh which is why they are having exhibitions, videos, etc. Having said all that, perhaps one of the the following would be a good hook?
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that Miles Rock, a geologist and astronomer, helped determine the Guatemala–Mexico border between 1883 and 1898? - Alt 2 ...
that Miles Rock, a geologist and astronomer in the first class of Lehigh University, helped found Observatorio Astronómico de Córdoba in Argentina, was part of the Wheeler Expedition, and finalized the Guatemala–Mexico border between 1883 and 1898?
- @Dmadeo: ALT2 is a bit too much. How about ALT1a ...that Miles Rock served as Chief of the Guatemala Boundary Commission that determined the disputed Guatemala-Mexico border?
- @Dwkaminski: (several tries later) Sold! And thank you for your edits to the article, including finding new references. Much appreciated. dm (talk) 18:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Approving ALT1a ...that Miles Rock served as Chief of the Guatemala Boundary Commission that determined the disputed Guatemala-Mexico border? Dwkaminski (talk) 19:23, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Hikari Kodama
- ... that because she went to a high school with strict rules, Hikari Kodama would wear wigs while making public performances? Source: [11] ("はい。中学3年生の冬に初めてオーディションを受けて、そこから3年ほど事務所に所属しました。でも、校則が厳しい高校に通っていたので、表立った芸能活動ができなかったんですよ。なので、その頃はカツラを被ったりしながらライブをしてました(笑)。先生たちに気付かれないように。")
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Santos Passos Church
- Comment: Feel free to suggest alternate wordings or hooks.
Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:19, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Great work! -Bogger (talk) 14:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Susan Finnegan
- ... that Susan Finnegan was the first female head of the arachnids section at the Natural History Museum, London, but had to resign her job in order to marry?
- Source: ref 1 (https://www.jstor.org/stable/40233839) - 'Dr. Finnegan also holds the distinction of being the first woman appointed to a post at the Natural History Museum in London. She succeeded Arthur Stanley Hirst .. in 1927' ref 2 (https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/40acbb6f-6b5f-42b4-b75d-4cf24e370a79) - 'the Arachnida Section was ... set up in 1913 .. Hirst .. was succeeded by Susan Finnegan (b. 1903), who continued Hurst's work on Acari until she resigned in 1936 to marry Walter Campbell Smith'
- ALT1: ... that arachnologist Susan Finnegan was the first woman to describe a new group of scorpions? Source: ref 1 (https://www.jstor.org/stable/40233839) - 'Dr. Susan Finnegan who .. is the only female arachnologist to have described a new genus of scorpion'
- ALT2: ... that zoologist Susan Finnegan was the first woman appointed to a post at the Natural History Museum in London? Source: ref 1 (https://www.jstor.org/stable/40233839) - 'Dr. Finnegan also holds the distinction of being the first woman appointed to a post at the Natural History Museum in London. She succeeded Arthur Stanley Hirst .. in 1927'
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Michael O'Kane
Chaiten1 (talk) 10:17, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 22:59, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you! I have updated as you suggest and also found another reference, by Wyse Jackson & Spencer Jones 'Finnegan was appointed in 1927 and .. left in 1936. This was precipitated by her marriage to W. Campbell Smith, of the Department of Mineralogy in the Museum. He remained in post.' @Mary Mark Ockerbloom: Chaiten1 (talk) 23:34, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nice work! Thanks for adding the sources that confirm it was policy. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 23:45, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Paora
- ... that following public backlash over Paora the kiwi (pictured) being mistreated, Zoo Miami stated, "We have offended the nation of New Zealand"?
―Panamitsu (talk) 07:10, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
- Hook interesting, article new and long enough with adequate referencing. Hook fact cited inline and verified in the relevant source. QPQ is done. Earwig gives a fairly high number but that is due to attributed quotes which are relevant to the article. Good to go. Juxlos (talk) 04:44, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Panamitsu, have you thought of asking Zoo Miami whether they'd like to donate a free photo to Wikipedia? Maybe as part of their ongoing redemption? I do remember that their publicity officer was rather onto it. And on a different front, I encouraged User:Paora to review this article as that seemed rather appropriate. But obviously, he's missed the boat. Schwede66 07:40, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: Haha yes it certainly would've been funny if Paora reviewed this nomination. As for the image, I haven't thought of that, although it sounds like a good idea. I prefer not to ask organisations for images so I won't be doing it myself. You are welcome to do it if you wish, although I do realise that you will be more focussed on other projects that are more meaningful to you. ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, no problems. I've managed to track down an email address for the zoo's communications director, Ron Magill. I've flicked him an email. Let's see what comes back. Can I suggest that prep promoters sit tight for a few days to see whether the zoo would like to make a photo available? Panamitsu, maybe you'd enjoy giving Magill's bio a bit of a tidy up – it could certainly do with one. Schwede66 08:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Image added, thanks. ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:09, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- With regards to image licensing, I need to sort this out with VRT. It’ll take a few days. Schwede66 04:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- VRT has confirmed the license and the image can now be used. Schwede66 13:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Juxlos, could you kindly have another look and sign off on the image's license? Schwede66 21:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good to me. Juxlos (talk) 01:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
The Catholic Spirit
- ... that The Catholic Bulletin scooped the election of Pope Benedict XV?
- Source: "Catholic Bulletin Is 50 Years Old". The Minneapolis Star. 7 January 1961. Retrieved 5 November 2024.
- ALT1: ... that a priest canceled 1,600 subscriptions to The Catholic Bulletin over a front-page photo of nuns dancing? Source: Cohen, Ben (20 September 2008). "Bernard Casserly kept Catholics in the know". Star Tribune. Retrieved 5 November 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Light Vessel 95
~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 20:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
- QPQ is done. Page is long enough and was expanded recently enough. Hooks check out. Personally I prefer ALT1, it's much funnier IMO. Di (they-them) (talk) 21:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- That's probably best as some things aren't adding up as I dive deeper into the first hook. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 21:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 6
[edit]René Vallon
- ... that René Vallon (pictured) achieved both the first flight and first flight-related death in China?
- Source: Areddy, James T. (22 February 2011). "China Marks 100 Years of Flight". The Wall Street Journal. Shanghai. Archived from the original on 2 July 2022. Retrieved 6 November 2024.
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
- I don't causing a death is an achievement. The first flight is. Kablammo (talk) 00:28, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- It was intended for brevity. How about ALT1 ... that René Vallon (pictured) achieved the first flight in China, but died less than three months later in the country's first aviation accident? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:41, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. Kablammo (talk) 01:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- I wonder if another verb would work, such as: "... that R V is known for both..." ProfGray (talk) 03:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- That could work too. ALT0a ... that René Vallon (pictured) is known for both the first flight and the first flight-related death in China? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:04, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT0a could be revised since the wording is rather vague and doesn't make it clear that he was the first flight-related death in China. The hook could be interpreted to mean he was involved in the death without saying he was the fatality. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT0b: ... that René Vallon (pictured) is known for both achieving the first flight and being the first flight-related death in China? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT0a could be revised since the wording is rather vague and doesn't make it clear that he was the first flight-related death in China. The hook could be interpreted to mean he was involved in the death without saying he was the fatality. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- That could work too. ALT0a ... that René Vallon (pictured) is known for both the first flight and the first flight-related death in China? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 04:04, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- I wonder if another verb would work, such as: "... that R V is known for both..." ProfGray (talk) 03:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. Kablammo (talk) 01:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- It was intended for brevity. How about ALT1 ... that René Vallon (pictured) achieved the first flight in China, but died less than three months later in the country's first aviation accident? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:41, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
With multiple ALT hooks proposed, a reviewer is needed to ensure the article and hooks are approved, and to comment on which ones are the most interesting. Z1720 (talk) 15:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- I will do the review and I will share my opinion about the hooks. ProfGray (talk) 17:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hook idea, without known for: that René Vallon (pictured) achieved China's first flight and was its first flight-related death? -- But I might insert "and, three months later..." to clarify that aspect. ProfGray (talk) 20:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: NPOV and clear. Impressive use of historical sources -- I looked at a few, didn't notice any problems, nor did Earwig. There's an image of the crashed plane, though prob not suitable for DYK. ALT0b is fine and maybe we tweak to make it shorter. ProfGray (talk) 19:55, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'll do this as an ALT in case the promoter is interested: ALT0c "... that René Vallon (pictured) achieved the first flight and was the first flight-related death in China?" — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:21, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 7
[edit]Pablo Busch
- ... that German-born physician Pablo Busch (pictured) was labelled a "witch or curandero" by indigenous tribes in Bolivia?
- Source: Hollweg 1995, p. 330.
- ALT1: ... that after surviving an attack by Cayubaba warriors, Pablo Busch (pictured) spent a month with an arrowhead lodged in his vertebra? Source: Hollweg 1995, p. 331; Brockmann 2017, pp. 28–29.
- ALT2: ... that a bandit spared the life of physician Pablo Busch (pictured) because "he treated the poor for free"? Source: Hollweg 1995, p. 333, "Hurtado le tenía respeto y admiración, porque 'curaba gratis a los pobres'"; Brockmann 2017, p. 31.
- ALT3: ... that the father of the president of Bolivia once gifted Adolf Hitler a vicuña wool quilt? Source: Brockmann 2017, pp. 284–285.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cycling in China
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Overall: AGF for ALT1, and ALT3. ALT0, ALT2 citations verified. Four interesting hooks. I think ALT0, and ALT3 convey his notability, while the others his peculiarity. -Bogger (talk) 09:01, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Kingdom of Characters
- ... that while conducting research for Kingdom of Characters, author Jing Tsu visited archives across multiple countries and continents?
- Source: [12]
Kimikel (talk) 05:53, 8 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Kimikel, this is an overall decent article. It was nominated on the day it was created, and the summary is concise while the other sections are well-sourced. Regarding the hook, tbh I do not find it particularly unique or interesting, but I attempted to come up with an alternative hook based on the other content of the article and was unable to do so. So, I suppose the current hook is our only option, and I am willing to approve it. Earwig shows no copyvio. QPQ done. Good to go! —Prince of Erebor(The Book of Mazarbul) 19:42, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
Ritsuko Taho
- ... that Ritsuko Taho was the dream collector of Cambridge, Massachusetts? Source: All cities have tax collectors. Cambridge also has a dream collector. For the last five months, artist Ritsuko Taho has been asking city residents to write their dreams on slips of paper so she can engrave them onto three "Dream Towers" she plans to build in Central Square this fall as the run-down shopping district undergoes a $3.6 million renovation.
- ALT1: ... that The Boston Globe called Ritsuko Taho the dream collector of Cambridge, Massachusetts? Source: ALT0
- ALT2: ... that artist Ritsuko Taho once invited others to collect dead leaves to fill a large structure of chain-link fence and scaffolding? Source: Ritsuko Taho's "Forbidden Building" is a poetic reordering of some of the most ordinary things in the city a chain fence and dead leaves. It is approximately a large cube, twenty-three feet high, made of scaffolding covered with chain link fence. Each of its four sides is a double wall separated by a two-foot wide space. This space is filled with dead leaves that Ritsuko collects and calls upon neighbors to collect from yards, parks, and city streets.
- ALT3: ... that 40,000 inflated gloves Ritsuko Taho attached to the Margaret Mitchell House and Museum in Atlanta were destroyed by an arson attack on the building? Source: At around 4 a.m. on September 17, 1994, an arsonist poured a trail of kerosene from ground floor to third floor. By the time it was alight, a thunderstorm had broken out, but the combination of kerosene and flaming 40,000 vinyl gloves succeeded in nearly destroying the building in a Wagnerian apocalypse of fire and storm.
- ALT4: ... that when an artwork with 40,000 dreams was destroyed by an arson attack, its creator Ritsuko Taho said that it was "almost like a god tried to take [them]"? Source: ALT3
- ALT5: ... that Ritsuko Taho once had her students at Harvard University slaughter a chicken and turn its bones into a sculpture? Source: "[Ritsuko Taho] assigned her students to adopt a live chicken for a day, then take it to a slaughter house, watch it be processed, and cook and eat it before making a sculpture from the bones."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kylian Portal (Alex Portal)
- Comment: Open to other hooks if possible.
ミラP@Miraclepine 22:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC).
- This is currently only a partial review as I'm having issues with Earwig at the moment so I am unable to check for close paraphrasing. The article is new enough and long enough. It is adequately sourced. A full QPQ was performed. Among the hooks, ALT5 is definitely the most intriguing and thus the best option. The Newspaper.com link is paywalled for me so I will assume good faith regarding the quote. I do suspect that there could be opposition to it on WP:DYKGRAT grounds, but that's counting the chickens before they hatch, so let's cross the bridge if/when we get there. If for whatever reason ALT5 cannot be used or is rejected, ALT4 is the best backup option. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:27, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Earwig still works; it just doesn't read newspaper.com content (you'll need to request an account through the WP:LIBRARY to access it directly). ミラP@Miraclepine 15:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- I mean I wasn't able to run Earwig at all, as in it wouldn't open for me. But I can assume good faith you want. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: That's fine. I meant that I could still run it even if you couldn't. ミラP@Miraclepine 01:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- I guess that works. Approving ALT5; ALT4 to be used only if objections are raised to ALT5 over at WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:01, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: That's fine. I meant that I could still run it even if you couldn't. ミラP@Miraclepine 01:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- I mean I wasn't able to run Earwig at all, as in it wouldn't open for me. But I can assume good faith you want. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Favre's Dad Game
- ... that less than 24 hours after his dad died of a heart attack, Green Bay Packers quarterback Brett Favre played in "one of the greatest games of his fabulous career"?
- Reviewed: Mary Robertson
« Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 20:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC).
- Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:58, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Article looks good. The only issue is that I don't see the quote from the hook "greatest games of his fabulous career" in the article? BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:10, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- BeanieFan11, it is the second sentence of the article. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 02:27, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not referring to the source, but in the article Favre's Dad Game I'm not seeing where the quote "one of the greatest games of his fabulous career" is mentioned. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:31, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oops! Added BeanieFan11. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not referring to the source, but in the article Favre's Dad Game I'm not seeing where the quote "one of the greatest games of his fabulous career" is mentioned. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:31, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Nikolaus Mollyn
- ... that Nikolaus Mollyn was the first book printer in Riga, the capital of Latvia, and the first to print a book in Latvian within the present-day territory of Latvia? Source: Both Sander and Berthold for the first claim (their articles literally have "first printer of Riga" in their titles); Sander p. 796 for the second claim.
Yakikaki (talk) 16:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC).
- Comment: While there's no hard rule or guideline discouraging it, best practice is to try and avoid superlatives if possible because as it turns out, the claim that x is first with y tends to be disputed, controversial, or a matter of opinion in many cases. I'm not sure how to best word it, so perhaps User:RoySmith would care to correct me. Viriditas (talk) 23:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- The way I generally approach these is to consider how reliable the record keeping is and especially if it's possible to enumerate all the possible other examples and show that this one must be first. So, it's a safe statement to say that Neil Armstrong was the first person on the moon because I have exceptional confidence that somebody didn't get there before him and somehow the record of that just got lost. Not so with this example. I'd recommend this be qualified with something like "is believed to be", "the first recorded", or something like that. I've been slowly working on an essay on this topic. It's not complete, but User:RoySmith/essays/First is worst may provide some value. RoySmith (talk) 00:20, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Yakikaki: I planned to review this and request new hooks per the above, but it failed the very first spot check. I made the change in the article.[13] Please take a moment to review the article and make sure the text to source integrity holds up. Viriditas (talk) 08:43, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Viriditas:, @RoySmith: Thanks both for engaging in this review and trying to improve it and the article. First of all, regarding the minor change to the article concerning Mollyn's father and his printing activities in Antwerp: fair enough, the revised wording is closer to the source. I do in general try to avoid phrasing which is too close to the source, as this can be a copyvio issue. In this case I think I also got a bit confused because Mollyn junior was in the same situation later, which is described in detail in the next page of the same article, and since he doubtlessly DID print religious material critical to the Catholic church I made a minor mix-up. So thanks for spotting that. Now to the question of the claim in the hook. Well, I can live with "the first recorded" by all means. I would however like to underline that the claim that he was the first printer in Riga has been put forward at least since 1795 (but of course, since I try to be a serious Wikipedia editor, I would not dream of using a source from 1795 in the actual article) and has not been contested. In fact, all sources – reasonable, academic sources – I've been able to find on the subject confirm the claim. It is not an outlandish or grotesque claim. In fact, it used to be precisely the kind of things one was encouraged to put in DYKs (provided, of course it was properly supported). I understand that in some other cases there may have slipped through one or two claims in DYK which were on closer inspection quite fanciful (and, perhaps, politically motivated or in general sensationalist). I would argue that this is not the case here, and that we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath-water. Yakikaki (talk) 14:00, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Viriditas:, @RoySmith: A small addendum: comparing the claim in the hook here with the examples given in Roy's draft essay, I would say this one is comparable, at worst, to the Roger Bannister example. The history of early printing is a thoroughly researched area. We have a good idea at the pace in which printing spread through Europe and 1588 seems in no way unreasonable for the first printing press to have been set up in Riga. Furthermore, it was an undertaking which required financial muscles and was something of a major event in the history of a city, so it usually left a mark in archives etc. So all in all, again, the claim is not extravagant or strange. It is certainly very far from the example of the pub with the traffic lights (a peculiar claim to fame indeed!). Sorry for my wordy replies here but I thought it best to put forward my thoughts and reasoning, to let you know that it wasn't a proposal I hatched on a whim. Yakikaki (talk) 14:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Viriditas:, @RoySmith: Thanks both for engaging in this review and trying to improve it and the article. First of all, regarding the minor change to the article concerning Mollyn's father and his printing activities in Antwerp: fair enough, the revised wording is closer to the source. I do in general try to avoid phrasing which is too close to the source, as this can be a copyvio issue. In this case I think I also got a bit confused because Mollyn junior was in the same situation later, which is described in detail in the next page of the same article, and since he doubtlessly DID print religious material critical to the Catholic church I made a minor mix-up. So thanks for spotting that. Now to the question of the claim in the hook. Well, I can live with "the first recorded" by all means. I would however like to underline that the claim that he was the first printer in Riga has been put forward at least since 1795 (but of course, since I try to be a serious Wikipedia editor, I would not dream of using a source from 1795 in the actual article) and has not been contested. In fact, all sources – reasonable, academic sources – I've been able to find on the subject confirm the claim. It is not an outlandish or grotesque claim. In fact, it used to be precisely the kind of things one was encouraged to put in DYKs (provided, of course it was properly supported). I understand that in some other cases there may have slipped through one or two claims in DYK which were on closer inspection quite fanciful (and, perhaps, politically motivated or in general sensationalist). I would argue that this is not the case here, and that we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bath-water. Yakikaki (talk) 14:00, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Article is new enough and long enough. Earwig shows no problems. First part of the hook verified, second part sourced to Sander (1998) taken on good faith as I don't have access to it. The English is well written and engaging. I recommend altering the hook per RoySmith's suggestion, although I'm not going to hold up this nomination, but others might. I made a small number of minor copyedits.[14] Please review. Viriditas (talk) 02:04, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 8
[edit]Snooze (song)
- Source: Billboard's Heran Mamo: "at that point, nobody can sleep on that song anymore."
- ALT1: ... that no one slept on SZA's 2023 sleeper hit? Source: ditto + Billboard's Andrew Unterberger: "It was almost too on-the-nose that SZA's 'Snooze' would become one of the year's preeminent sleeper hits.
- ALT2: ... that SZA's "Snooze" happens to be a sleeper hit? Source: ditto
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites (song)
- Comment: So much material and play on words to work with (sleeper hit, "sleep on" the song, "hit snooze on" the song); additional hooks are therefore welcome!
Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 [please make some noise] 10:22, 8 November 2024 (UTC).
- I'll review this. Thriley (talk) 07:05, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hooks are interesting and sourced. I think ALT1 is best. QPQ is done. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 18:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Fen Juhua
- ... that Fen Juhua, the "first of the lady knights in the Chinese cinema", fought for love?
- ALT1 (in case the phrasing is a bit icky) ... that Fen Juhua, the first female martial artist in Chinese cinema, fought for love?
- Source: Teo, Stephen (2015). Chinese Martial Arts Cinema. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press. doi:10.1515/9781474403887-005. ISBN 978-1-4744-0388-7. "Tianyi produced the first wuxia picture so acknowledged by film historians, Nüxia Li Feifei (Lady Knight Li Feifei), released in 1925. Beijing Opera diva Fen Juhua played the eponymous lady knight and became the first of the lady knights in the Chinese cinema. As with much of the output in the genre, the film is now lost. Zheng Junli called it a love story that was a ‘straightforward imitation of the ancients’. A young couple in love are torn apart by a marriage broker and the machinations of parents, but they finally tie the knot with the intervention of the lady knight Li Feifei."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Korzeniacy, czyli Jesień wsamrazków, Template:Did you know nominations/Phoebe Plummer (2 of 4)
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:48, 8 November 2024 (UTC).
- Comment - I'm adding Heroine Li Feifei to this nomination, which I wrote on 13 November 2024. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Hey Chris, I am glad to review another Hong Kong cinema nomination! First of all, thanks for writing up Fen Juhua, a red link I came across while working on Stephen Tung and wanted to remove for some time. Both articles are well-written and well-sourced, and Earwig shows no copyvio. I would accept ALT0 since it is supported by the source, and the literal translation of "女俠" is indeed somewhat akin to "lady knight". In fact, "lady knight" is certainly more eye-catching than simply "martial artist". So I am satisfied with ALT0. Both articles were nominated on time. Two QPQs done. Good to go! —Prince of Erebor(The Book of Mazarbul) 18:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 9
[edit]Kammerkonzert (Hartmann)
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that, inspired by Kodály, Karl Amadeus Hartmann began to compose Kammerkonzert for clarinet, string quartet and string orchestra in 1930, but began inner emigration in 1933 and completed it in 1935?Source: several- Reviewed: to come
Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Article is quite fine; it is long enough and new enough. No copyright violations detected. There is half a good hook in the proposed ALT0. The reference to Kodály should be dropped as it won't mean anything to the average person reading this hook. The implication of a causal relationship between Hartmann's inner emigration and the eventual date of this work's completion isn't quite confirmed in the article. According to this study by Andrew McCredie, the work's composition dates "suggest a long and possibly traumatic Entstehungsgeschich [creation history]", but that this observation cannot be confirmed because there apparently is no surviving documentation in the composer's papers. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:06, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Incomplete nomination, QPQ not provided. Z1720 (talk) 16:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: should probably be pinged for something like this. I can give you 24 hours.--Launchballer 01:37, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- I reviewed Kings Theatre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 02:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: should probably be pinged for something like this. I can give you 24 hours.--Launchballer 01:37, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Alt1:... that Karl Amadeus Hartmann finished composing Kammerkonzert in inner emigration, after his music had been banned by the Nazis as degenerate art?Source: [15][16][17] Grimes2 (talk) 14:02, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Let me take a look at this new ALT and the sources. One moment, please...—CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:51, 19 November 2024 (UTC)- @Grimes2: This ALT has new problems, the most important being the statement that Hartmann's music was "banned by the Nazis as degenerate art". According to Michael Hans Kater, this never occurred. In the chapter on Hartmann in Composers of the Nazi Era: Eight Portraits, he states (p. 93): "Nor did the [Reichsmusikkammer] or any other Nazi authorities henceforth brand his music 'atonal' or 'degenerate', as some of Hartmann's interpreters have averred." He further stated that Hartmann was evaluated positively by the RMK as late as July 1941. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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... that Karl Amadeus Hartmann finished composing Kammerkonzert in inner emigration after Hitler's seizure of power?Grimes2 (talk) 20:21, 19 November 2024 (UTC) - Alt2a: ...
that Karl Amadeus Hartmann finished composing Hungarian flavored Kammerkonzert in inner emigration after Hitler's seizure of power?Grimes2 (talk) 20:21, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Grimes2 and Gerda Arendt: Both of these new ALTs revisit the same problem with ALT0: they inadvertently imply a causal relationship between the various topics they touch upon. Perhaps there was; it is very likely so, but as McCredie admitted in the aforementioned JSTOR article, lack of documentation makes this impossible to confirm. Is there any way of rewording the hook to state that it was composed during this period of inner emigration, which was a response to the rise of Hitler, but without implying that the Kammerkonzert itself was also a response to this? —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:50, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- sorry for my absence, - I believe that the original hook simply states what happened in three different years without causal relation. I also believe that the name of Kodaly is the shortest and thus most elegant way to refer to Hungarian inspiration. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- The wording of the original hook inadvertently implied a relationship between the source material, inner emigration, and the work's delayed completion. I already explained the problems with ALT0, at any rate. Ideally, the hook should focus on one intriguing aspect of the work, rather than trying to fit in as much as possible. Unfortunately, material that could potentially make for the most appealing hooks appears to not be confirmed by McCredie and Kater. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 01:06, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- sorry for my absence, - I believe that the original hook simply states what happened in three different years without causal relation. I also believe that the name of Kodaly is the shortest and thus most elegant way to refer to Hungarian inspiration. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Grimes2 and Gerda Arendt: Both of these new ALTs revisit the same problem with ALT0: they inadvertently imply a causal relationship between the various topics they touch upon. Perhaps there was; it is very likely so, but as McCredie admitted in the aforementioned JSTOR article, lack of documentation makes this impossible to confirm. Is there any way of rewording the hook to state that it was composed during this period of inner emigration, which was a response to the rise of Hitler, but without implying that the Kammerkonzert itself was also a response to this? —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:50, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Alt2b: ... that Karl Amadeus Hartmann finished composing Hungarian flavored Kammerkonzert during his period of inner emigration after Hitler's seizure of power?Grimes2 (talk) 13:23, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2b is good. The only changes I request is for another adjective instead of "flavored", which is imprecise when referring to music and subjective, and a hyphen to join it with the preceding word. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Alt2c: ... that Karl Amadeus Hartmann finished composing his Hungarian-influenced Kammerkonzert during his period of inner emigration after Hitler's seizure of power? Grimes2 (talk) 19:58, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rock 'n' roll. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
ALT2d: ... that Karl Amadeus Hartmann finished his Kammerkonzert, a concerto for clarinet, string quartet and string orchestra, in 1935 during inner emigration?- Please forgive me: I believe that the composer's highly unusual scoring deserves mentioning in a hook about the piece more than Hitler's seizure - if we don't have room for both. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- No. The instrumentation is the least appealing fact for a hook. Stravinsky, Webern, Varèse, Schoenberg, Revueltas, Popov, Shcherbachov, Hindemith, Janáček, Ives, Chávez, Lambert, Delage, Poot, Roslavets, Roldán, Bridge, and Lourié are just among a few of the composers that had already composed works for seemingly "unusual" groupings of instruments by the time Hartmann completed his Kammerkonzert—and those are just the names that immediately came to my mind. More importantly, a reader in 2024 (or 2025, depending on when this DYK runs) who is unfamiliar with classical music may likely be accustomed to even more unusual instrumental sounds because of pop music and modern sound productions. They may even already be familiar with the ear-tickling weirdness that Juan García Esquivel, Brian Wilson, and Joe Meek cultivated and were known for as far back as seventy years ago. To a reader like that, the combo of clarinet, string quartet, and string orchestra will hardly seem "unusual" and interesting. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 17:39, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for a lesson in music histor. I'm afraid I was not clear. I don't think the description of the scoring should be there because of being unusual but because I don't think that our general audience will know what a Kammerkonzert is. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Please understand that I wasn't trying to lecture you. My point is that the scoring isn't anything unusual in 2024 and wasn't very so even in 1935. You also admit that the instrumentation isn't unusual. And you're right: the average reader doesn't know Hartmann's Kammerkonzert. That's the point of a hook "likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest in the topic": to pique their curiosity into clicking on the article and learn more. The historical circumstance of its creation is precisely what would likely be the most immediately intriguing aspect of the work to a general reader unfamiliar with classical music. Because they won't care about the instrumentation of musical arcana if they're not familiar with Hartmann, or the term "chamber concerto", or classical music to begin with. ALT2c is the only one that meets the threshold of WP:DYKINT, which is why it is the only one I approved. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- The scoring is for clarinet, string quartet and string orchestra, quasi a clarinet quintet with string orchestra. That's unusual. But I prefer Alt2c. Grimes2 (talk) 21:33, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Please understand that I wasn't trying to lecture you. My point is that the scoring isn't anything unusual in 2024 and wasn't very so even in 1935. You also admit that the instrumentation isn't unusual. And you're right: the average reader doesn't know Hartmann's Kammerkonzert. That's the point of a hook "likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest in the topic": to pique their curiosity into clicking on the article and learn more. The historical circumstance of its creation is precisely what would likely be the most immediately intriguing aspect of the work to a general reader unfamiliar with classical music. Because they won't care about the instrumentation of musical arcana if they're not familiar with Hartmann, or the term "chamber concerto", or classical music to begin with. ALT2c is the only one that meets the threshold of WP:DYKINT, which is why it is the only one I approved. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rock 'n' roll. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Dickinson pumpkin
- ... that the majority of pumpkin pies (pictured) in the United States are made with the Dickinson pumpkin?
- Source: "Dickinson pumpkins are a variety of pumpkin that is mostly grown for making canned pumpkin to use in pumpkin pie and in other baked goods. They have mildly sweet, orange flesh with a dry, dense texture. Dickinson pumpkins are members of the squash family (Cucurbitaceae), with the botanical name of Cucurbita moschata. They're a subspecies of the same squash species that includes the crookneck, butternut, and calabaza varietals, among others. It was first cultivated in Kentucky in the early 1800s by a farmer named Elijah Dickinson. Dickinson later brought the seeds to central Illinois, where they grew so prolifically that they helped launch a vegetable processing plant that was later acquired by a Chicago-based canned food company called Libby's. Libby's still grows Dickinson pumpkins in central Illinois, although they've tweaked the cultivar a bit over the years to produce a varietal that features extra dense, sweet flesh. Today, Libby's accounts for 85 percent of the canned pumpkin market, and 100 percent of what goes in those cans is their proprietary cultivar of Dickinson pumpkin." The Spruce Eats
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Agreement between Armenia and Azerbaijan respecting the District of Zanghezour
- Comment: For Thanksgiving
Thriley (talk) 21:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Thriley, this is a solid and well-sourced article. It was moved to the mainspace on 9 November, so it falls within the seven-day timeframe. I did notice a minor error: source 4 (the Adweek source) is missing its publisher in the Cite web template. The hook is interesting, and while I have some reservations about the reliability of The Spruce Eats, the editorial guidelines listed on their website satisfied me. Earwig shows no copyvio. QPQ done. Good to go! —Prince of Erebor(The Book of Mazarbul) 19:21, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
Ethel Preston memorial
- ... that the grave of Ethel Preston (pictured) in Leeds, England, has a lifestyle statue of her stood in front of black marble doors, left ajar?
- Source: "Statue (life-size) standing ... black marble panelled doors .. the doors are slightly open" from: "MEMORIAL AND GRAVE OF ETHEL PRESTON AT NGR 2673 3905 IN LAWNSWOOD CEMETERY, Non Civil Parish - 1375322". Historic England.
Dumelow (talk) 21:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: All looks good! Hook is interesting, as it describes a very unique memorial. Picture is clear at a small size, depicting the description visually. QPQ is done. Photographs are released under an appropriate CC license. No issues anywhere else. Good to go. Grnrchst (talk) 15:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
Kazansky District, Petrograd
- ... that in the 1917 Russian elections, both Catholic and Orthodox Christian Democrats received a higher share of votes in the Kazansky District (map pictured) than in any other Petrograd district?
- Source: выборы въ Учредительное собраніе, Delo Naroda. November 16, 1917. p. 3
Soman (talk) 22:14, 9 November 2024 (UTC).
- Interesting hook, QPQ done, article looks good, hook matches article. ―Panamitsu (talk) 06:02, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Chen Dingshan
- ... that Chen Dingshan has been called the last heir of the Mandarin Ducks and Butterflies school?
- Source: Nicole Huang (黃心村) (June 2014). 舊聞新語話春申: 陳定山的上海與台北 [Travels of Minor Narratives: Chen Dingshan's Shanghai and Taipei] (PDF). Journal of Taiwanese Literature (in Chinese) (24): 1–30. Archived from the original (PDF) on 14 April 2021. Retrieved 9 November 2024. (有學者將陳定山定格成遺老形象,說他是「鴛鴦蝴蝶派最後的傳承人」,「延 續了民國舊式文人的一線餘脈」。[Some scholars have characterized Chen Dingshan as an old man, saying that he is "the last inheritor of the Mandarin Duck and Butterfly School" and "continues the remnants of the old-style literati of the Republic of China"])
ALT1: ... that the prolific author and artist Chen Dingshan named a hotel after two actresses?Source: Nicole Huang (黃心村) (June 2014). 舊聞新語話春申: 陳定山的上海與台北 [Travels of Minor Narratives: Chen Dingshan's Shanghai and Taipei] (PDF). Journal of Taiwanese Literature (in Chinese) (24): 1–30. Archived from the original (PDF) on 14 April 2021. Retrieved 9 November 2024. (父親 去世後,陳定山回到老家杭州,曾在西泠橋邊的風水寶地上建過一個「蝶來飯 店」,取名於大明星胡蝶和徐來的名字。開業那天,請來胡蝶和徐來參加剪綵, 轟轟烈烈,一時成為佳話,同時也炒熱了飯店的生意。[After his father passed away, Chen Dingshan returned to his hometown of Hangzhou and built the "Die Lai Hotel" on the Feng Shui treasure land next to Xiling Bridge, named after the famous stars Hu Die and Xu Lai. On the opening day, Hu Die and Xu Lai were invited to participate in the ribbon-cutting ceremony, which was a great success and became a favorite story. It also heated up the hotel's business."])- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Phoebe Plummer (1 of 4)
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:13, 9 November 2024 (UTC).
- New enough (created on 9 Nov), long enough, sources are good, very presentable. Hooks are cited and I confirm the content of the hooks. One bit I might need to pick is that Chen named a "restaurant", not a "hotel", after two actresses, as "飯店" usually refers to restauarants while "酒店" means hotels. So it should be
- ALT1a: ... that the prolific author and artist Chen Dingshan named a restaurant after two actresses?
- Other than that, hooks are quite interesting. I would also prefer that you clarify in the original hook that the Mandarin Ducks and Butterflies School is a school of literature, but that's up to personal discretion. QPQ confirmed.
- Finally, I wish to use this space to say a big thank you for writing the "brother article" of Chen Xiaocui! Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 19:17, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the kind words! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 03:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 10
[edit]Richard Du Cann
- ... that barrister Richard Du Cann acted for the defence in the Lady Chatterley's Lover obscenity trial and the trial of John Stonehouse MP?
- Source: "His workload was prodigious and there were many causes celebres in which he was briefed, both as a junior and in Silk. The indictment of DH Lawrence's book Lady Chatterley's Lover, the Calvi Inquest and the Blue Arrow fraud case are indicative of the range of his practice and the reputation he possessed among his clients, lay and professional." from: Nutting, John (7 August 1994). "Obituary: Richard Du Cann". The Independent. Retrieved 10 November 2024. and "The arrest led to his eventual deportation to England and a 1976 Old Bailey trial for fraud, theft and deception after which he was convicted and jailed. Originally represented by barristers Richard du Cann and Geoffrey Robertson, he decided to defend himself." from: Campbell, Duncan (16 December 2022). "ITV dramatises life of John Stonehouse MP who faked his death in 1974". The Guardian. Retrieved 10 November 2024.
Dumelow (talk) 21:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
- New, long, neutral enuf, qpq done. Earwig finds nothing. Hook checks out, but please lose the false title at the start. Otherewise gtg. Johnbod (talk) 04:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- I thought it was helpful to set out in what role he was acting but here it is without it - Dumelow (talk) 07:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Richard Du Cann acted for the defence in the Lady Chatterley's Lover obscenity trial and the trial of John Stonehouse MP?
- I thought it was helpful to set out in what role he was acting but here it is without it - Dumelow (talk) 07:46, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- That's ok - I had in mind just adding "the", but really barrister needs a link for the Americans etc anyway. Johnbod (talk)
Qizil Tugh
- ... that the newspaper Qizil Tugh ('Red Banner') provided a publishing platform for young Uyghur language poets and writers in the Soviet Union?
- Source: Мунир Ерзин. Становление и развитие уйгурской советской печати. Изд-во "Наука" Казахской ССР, 1988. pp. 119-121
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pizza in Croatia
- Comment: barely above 1,500 bytes, but arguably 1930s Uyghur language journalism is underserved in wiki coverage
Soman (talk) 14:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
- Date, size, refs, hook, neutrality, QPQ, all GTG. Note I added a proper lead, to make it over 250 words (my thumb rule of what is a stub and what is too short for a DYK). Now it is at "1797 B (274 words). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Bob Gandey
- ... that Bob Gandey was training performing ponies from the age of nine?
- Source: "he started to train ponies with Lord George Sanger’s Circus aged nine." from: "Gandey's Circus (Established c1918)". University of Sheffield Archives. Retrieved 9 November 2024.
- ALT1: ... that Bob Gandey founded a circus (big top pictured) that continues to be operated by his descendants more than 100 years later? Source: "Gandey's Circus (Established c1918) ... During the First World War the family continued to appear in variety shows around the country and by 1918 they were travelling their owned circus tent. ... Today the circus is run by Philip and Carol Gandey with their daughters Hayley and Mariska involved in various aspects of the business." from: "Gandey's Circus (Established c1918)". University of Sheffield Archives. Retrieved 9 November 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Regulus (painting)
Dumelow (talk) 07:40, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
- I have reviewed this because I am a past performer - street work as a juggler/clown, very small circus (we had to double as animals) for county fairs, etc. David notMD (talk) 15:47, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: I prefer ALT 1. David notMD (talk) 15:47, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Sams Creek (New Zealand)
- ... that the area around Sams Creek (pictured) was excluded from Kahurangi National Park when it was formed in 1996 due to gold mining interests?
- ALT1: ... that the area around Sams Creek (pictured) was excluded from Kahurangi National Park when it was formed due to gold mining interests? Source: same
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Anna Haifisch
- Comment: There's much more that can be said about Sams Creek with regards to the ongoing mining proposals. But the article qualifies as is.
Schwede66 08:16, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Looks good to go; prefer ALT1, as the year of creation has some relevance (being so recent) but is not crucial. SounderBruce 03:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, SounderBruce, for your review. That's much appreciated. Would this image be better in your view? If so, we can use that in the article and here instead. If not, that's all good. Schwede66 03:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think the uncropped version is better, but I feel there's not a strong case for either to be used as the hook image. SounderBruce 03:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, we’ll leave it the way it is. Schwede66 08:27, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think the uncropped version is better, but I feel there's not a strong case for either to be used as the hook image. SounderBruce 03:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Berta Persson
- ... that in 1927 Berta Persson became the first woman bus driver in Sweden and was nicknamed "Buss-Berta"?
- Reviewed:
MumphingSquirrel (talk) 19:31, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
- This article is new, long enough and written in a neutral tone. The sources cited look reliable, and all contain information that validates the story of Berta Persson. There are no copyvio issues, and no close paraphrasing. QPQ is not required. The image appears to satisfy DYK requirements (old, and public domain). The hook is clear, to the point and interesting, and verified in the sources cited; it is the most obvious hook for the page. Good to go. Thank you for a fascinating article! Chaiten1 (talk) 21:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
Many thanks for your kind words Chaiten1, still learning how to do DYKs, so appreciate the encouragement MumphingSquirrel (talk) 21:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
2019 Timaru hailstorm
- ... that New Zealand's costliest weather event in 15 years lasted for only 10 minutes?
- Source: For 10 minutes and costliest in 21st century: https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/127023904/the-day-it-pummelled-massive-hail-stones-in-timaru
- For it being the costliest weather event in 15 years (since the flooding in 2004): https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/300022912/hailstorm-has-nzs-second-highest-weatherrelated-insurance-bill-this-century?rm=a
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fukushima nuclear accident
- Comment: The hailstorm was the costliest weather event in the 21st century, but has since been overtaken by 2023's Cyclone Gabrielle, so that wording cannot be used.
―Panamitsu (talk) 05:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
- Ooh, a weather DYK! I'll take this.
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Overall: Looks good, passed. Although the "storm" section is short, it should be fine. EF5 16:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
@Panamitsu and EF5: Is there any way to phrase this so that it just gives the cost? I ask because I find the phrasing confusing in the original hook since there has been a more damaging storm since this one. Something like:
- ALTX: ... that a 10-minute hailstorm in New Zealand caused about $171 million in damage?
would work with a citation temporarily added to the lead. Feel free to cross this hook out if not interested, Rjjiii (talk) 02:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Rjjiii: Thanks for the suggestion. That could work too. ―Panamitsu (talk) 04:56, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 11
[edit]Adou Thiero
- ... that college basketball player Adou Thiero plays for the same head coach that his father had played for?
- Source: both have played for John Calipari; Times Online ("Adou’s parents, too, had basketball in their blood ... Almamy Thiero was one of the top power forward prospects in the high school Class of 2002 and played for legendary coach John Calipari at Memphis for four seasons") / ESPN ("Ex-Kentucky star Adou Thiero joining John Calipari at Arkansas")
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Emil Bove
- Comment: QPQ to be done within 24 hours. Open to other ways of wording the hook.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: JuniperChill (talk) 10:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Louis Abramson
... that Louis Abramson worked on the renovation of a building (pictured) he had designed 57 years earlier?
- Source: "It was also, perhaps, a recognition of Louis Allen Abramson, the architect who designed the main building more than five decades ago and was called back recently to begin work on the new senior‐citizen apartment house that is the first phase of the center's modernization program." https://www.nytimes.com/1973/01/07/archives/home-for-the-aging-reaffirms-its-roots-home-for-the-aging-reaffirms.html
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/ZIZ
RoySmith (talk) 02:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC).
- Hi RoySmith, review follows: a QPQ has been carried out (in progress); article was moved to mainspace on 12 November and exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to reliable sources except for one paragraph which I have tagged; I didn't pick up on any overly close paraphrasing from the sources in a spotcheck on some of the online ones; Earwig comes back generally OK, though I wonder if "on 167th Street between Findlay and Teller Avenues in the Bronx" could be rephrased to avoid being identical to the source? hook fact is interesting enough, mentioned in the article and checks out to sources cited; image is OK, could be cropped a little to remove the margin. Do you have confirmation it was published prior to 1929? Noting the statement that the NY public library couldn't determine copyright of the image - Dumelow (talk) 19:21, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
Dumelow Thank you for the review. I've supplied the missing citation. As for the paraphrasing, I think WP:LIMITED applies here. I tried a few rewordings, but they're all rather awkward and forced, so I'm inclined to leave it as is. I think cropping the image would be an aesthetic negative.
The more interesting question is the provenance of the image vis-a-vis whether it is PD or not. https://www.vera.org/news/vera-schweitzer-the-vera-institutes-worthy-namesake says the image appeared in a 1931 annual report, so that's at least an upper bound for the date, admittedly 2 years shy of the 1929 magic line in the sand. Wurts Brothers was a well-known photography firm specializing in architectural work. I think it's reasonable to assume they took the photo soon after the building was completed, but I have been unable to find any hard evidence that it predates 1929. RoySmith (talk) 20:16, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Works for me. Not an expert on images so happy to leave decision whether to use up to promoter/posting admin - Dumelow (talk) 20:28, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm possibly putting my head in the lion's mouth, but Nikkimaria is my usual go-to on image licensing questions. RoySmith (talk) 21:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- The current tagging is likely incorrect (unless there's an earlier publication that hasn't been identified), but I'd suggest checking for copyright renewal on the 1931 report - it likely wouldn't have been renewed which means this is likely out of copyright. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:27, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- I'm possibly putting my head in the lion's mouth, but Nikkimaria is my usual go-to on image licensing questions. RoySmith (talk) 21:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
Dumelow OK, let's run this without the image:
- ALT1 ... that Louis Abramson worked on the renovation of a building he had designed 57 years earlier?
which is a bit of a shame, but I'd rather be right than guess. In the meantime, I've located an archive here in NYC that looks like it has all the annual reports from the years in question. I'll get over there at some point and hopefully be able to nail this down. RoySmith (talk) 22:51, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Just to confirm ALT1 is approved. An interesting building, surprised it doesn't have its own article yet - Dumelow (talk) 08:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- That may yet happen. I had started work on User:RoySmith/drafts/1201 Findlay Ave and while researching the building, learned about Abramson and ended up going down that rathole first. RoySmith (talk) 14:54, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Just to confirm ALT1 is approved. An interesting building, surprised it doesn't have its own article yet - Dumelow (talk) 08:35, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Walter G. Benz Jr.
- ... that during the Korean War, the 8th Fighter-Bomber Group, under the command of Walter G. Benz Jr., became the first United States Air Force unit to complete 50,000 combat sorties?
Toadboy123 (talk) 09:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
- Article length and age are fine, no copyvio, source checks out. First time reviewer so would appreciate a second look 03:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
The Manhasset
- ... that the original developer of the Manhasset apartment building had to give up ownership when it was nearly completed? Source: Gray, Christopher (July 21, 1996). "Streetscapes/The Manhasset;New Crown for an Upper Broadway Wedding Cake". The New York Times.
- ALT1: ... that the original developer of the Manhasset apartment building went bankrupt and had to give up ownership before it was completed? Source: Gray, Christopher (July 21, 1996). "Streetscapes/The Manhasset;New Crown for an Upper Broadway Wedding Cake". The New York Times.
- ALT2: ... that an architect inspecting the Manhasset found so many pigeons there, his workers "were carrying fleas back to the office"? Source: Gray, Christopher (July 21, 1996). "Streetscapes/The Manhasset;New Crown for an Upper Broadway Wedding Cake". The New York Times.
- ALT3: ... that in 1999, the Manhasset apartment building caught fire just as its renovation was being completed? Source: Stewart, Barbara (April 7, 1999). "Finding Their Lives in the Ashes; For Many Displaced by Fire, Little Is Left but Problems". The New York Times.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rose O'Neill (Irish noblewoman)
Epicgenius (talk) 18:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
- I'll be reviewing this today. :)
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Overall: Preference for ALT3, that one seems more interesting (and unfortunate) than the others. EF5 16:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Good to go, easy pass! :) EF5 16:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 12
[edit]Helen Chaman Lall
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that Helen Chaman Lall (pictured) was the only person painted by Amrita Sher-Gil in Lahore in the 1930s? - Source: [18]
- Reviewed: Annie Huggett
Whispyhistory (talk) 22:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC).
- I shall review this. Storye book (talk) 11:44, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Nice article, and a great picture which will look good on the main page. Thank you for this.
- I did a very brief copyedit of the article, which does not affect this review. Storye book (talk) 12:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
@Storye book:... Thank you for reviewing. I need to recheck the hook fact as the source is not correct and does not correspondance to Sher-Gil's letters. Will ping you once checked. Sorry for this. Whispyhistory (talk) 15:19, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that Amrita Sher-Gil painted a portrait of Helen Chaman Lall (pictured) without expecting a fee?
- for ALT1, with offline citation taken AGF. Thank you, Whispyhistory. Storye book (talk) 16:17, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Seunghan
- ... that Seunghan (pictured) was forced out of his K-pop band because of a kiss?
- ALT1: ... that Seunghan (pictured) was forced out of his K-pop band because of a cigarette and a kiss?
- ALT2: ... that Seunghan (pictured) was forced out of Riize because of a cigarette and a kiss?
- ALT3: ... that Seunghan (pictured) was forced out of his band because he kissed a woman?
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RachelTensions (talk) 05:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Rachel, this is a well-written and well-sourced article. It was nominated on the same day it was moved to the mainspace, so it meets the newness criteria. I prefer ALT1 the most, as both the subject's kissing and smoking contributed to his departure according to the source, and omitting his band name would make it more accessible for readers who are not familiar with Kpop. Earwig shows no copyvio. No QPQ is needed. Good to go! —Prince of Erebor(The Book of Mazarbul) 20:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
Thomas Curnow
- ... that schoolteacher Thomas Curnow (pictured) used a red scarf to stop a train from derailing?
- Reviewed:
PastelLilac (talk) 04:16, 12 November 2024 (UTC).
Article length and age are fine, no copyright or plagiarism issues seen, but I am concerned about WP:N. The article states "lthough Curnow became a household name in Australia following the Glenrowan siege, today he is a relatively obscure figure in Australian history. In most plays and films about the Kelly gang, Curnow is a minor character..." -- If more information concerning the notoriety of Curnow in his own time in Australian press or society / outside of dramatic representations I think that would assist. -Maximilian775 (talk) 21:29, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hello. I'm not sure I understand your request. I think it's clear from the article that Curnow was well known in his day. For example, his retirement 35 years after the Glenrowan siege "received press coverage throughout Australia". He hadn't sunk completely into obscurity, as much as he tried to avoid the limelight. His actions led to the downfall of arguably Australia's most famous historical person. Notability beyond dispute surely. - PastelLilac (talk) 21:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe you can elaborate on the Cornish association source -- I'm not sure how 1 citation shows "coverage throughout Australia", and your statement of him being a household name in Legacy bears no citations at all. I'm certainly open to being convinced of notability, but as the article currently stands in my reading it's not shown thoroughly enough. Maximilian775 (talk) 21:29, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Just jumping in here - per WP:NTEMP, once notability has been established, it does not need to be maintained. If he was a household name in Australia at one point in time, then he's notable enough for Wikipedia now, Maximilian775. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 21:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
That's a fair point, and due to my completing my initial read of the article on a smaller screen, I didn't see the portion about the Victoria Humane Society medal and the fact he had to essentially go into witness protection for a time. My apologies, PastelLilac
With that in mind, I think the article overall is fine, but the hook could include a mention of the role he played in Kelly's capture. Maybe
- ALT1: ... that schoolteacher Thomas Curnow (pictured) used a red scarf to stop a train from derailing, leading to the capture of notorious outlaw Ned Kelly?
- That's all good. I'm open to hook suggestions, and yours may get more clicks. Part of me takes pleasure in ignoring Ned Kelly though, considering so much has been written about him already. - PastelLilac (talk) 22:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Maximilian775 (talk) 23:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 13
[edit]David Bookbinder
- ... that David Bookbinder was Margaret Thatcher's "least favourite local government leader"?
- Source: "Later Mr Bookbinder was described by Mrs Thatcher as her "least favourite local government leader" from: Hawley, Zena (28 December 2023). "The local politics giant who took on Thatcher, and won, dies at 82". Derbyshire Live. Retrieved 12 November 2024.
Dumelow (talk) 12:51, 13 November 2024 (UTC).
- Interesting and sourced hook. Quality article and timely nomination. There should not be a DYKBLP issue since the subject died last year. With the QPQ also completed, I am approving this nomation. Nice work--NØ 23:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
1984 Southland floods
- ... that although nobody died in the 1984 Southland floods (pictured), about 12 thousand sheep perished?
―Panamitsu (talk) 06:04, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
- I'll review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Looks good. Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:38, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 14
[edit]Light Vessel 16
- ... that the oldest surviving wooden lightship, dating to 1840, is now an Airbnb?
- Source: "The oldest surviving wooden lightship is about to embark on the next chapter of her colourful life - as an Airbnb. ... she was built in 1840" from: Jordan, Nicola (22 July 2023). "Historic ship and former nightclub now riverside Airbnb". Kent Online. Retrieved 14 November 2024.
Dumelow (talk) 21:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
- Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:51, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Looks good. Nice work. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
List of Chivas USA managers
- ... that Chivas USA had eleven different managers over ten seasons?
- Source: "2024 Fact and Record Book". Major League Soccer. February 2024. p. 31. Archived from the original on March 15, 2024. Retrieved March 15, 2024.
- ALT1: ... that Chivas USA's first coach lasted only 10 games? Source: Associated Press (30 May 2005). "Chivas USA coach Rongen reassigned as team's sports director". ESPN. Retrieved 21 June 2024.
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Overall: Looks good to go; made a few formatting fixes while looking over the list yesterday. ALT0 is the more interesting of the two (but ALT1 is also suitable); it could use a more explicit source than the league's data tables, though. SounderBruce 05:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 15
[edit]Retelling
- ... that retelling of classic tales is a common occurrence? Source: https://researchers.mq.edu.au/en/publications/retelling-stories-across-time-and-cultures
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Overall, the article meets all the criteria for warranting a DYK blurb, and QPQ has been satisfied, but I'm concerned that your proposed hook, in my opinion, doesn't seem that interesting or attention-grabbing. Do you think there's something else interesting you could bring up about retelling aside from how common it is? JJonahJackalope (talk) 21:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- @JJonahJackalope: Sure. How about: --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:31, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- ... that retelling of stories has led to emergence of, among others, feminist retellings focusing on previously marginalized or inexistent female characters?
- Piotrus, that definitely sounds more interesting, though if I could make an edit to the phrasing, maybe something like:
- ... that the feminist retelling of stories can focus on previously nonexistent or marginalized female characters?
- Let me know if this sounds good to you. JJonahJackalope (talk) 13:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- @JJonahJackalope: Yep, it does :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:33, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Great! I have no further concerns and will go ahead and approve that alt. JJonahJackalope (talk) 15:37, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Thomas Sewell (neo-Nazi)
- ... that Thomas Sewell attempted to recruit Brenton Tarrant, the perpetrator of the 2019 Christchurch mosque shootings, into the Lads Society?
- Reviewed:
TarnishedPathtalk 12:03, 15 November 2024 (UTC).
- I'll review. GMH Melbourne (talk) 00:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- The article is new enough and long enough, well-sourced, neutral, BLP-compliant, copyvio-compliant, and presentable. The hook is cited by a reliable source, <200 characters, and is interesting. QPQ is not required.
- A potential problem with the hook is that it may unduly focus on negative aspects of a living person. I personally think it is fine but I have gotten it wrong in the past so I will request a second opinion from a user better versed in DYK. Note that in this source the subject of the article is personally admitting to what is stated in the hook. GMH Melbourne (talk) 00:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- As the GA reviewer: I would not believe it to unduly focus on the negative aspects of Sewell, given my understanding of the word, given what he does and what he is notable for. It's not like he is a well regarded person who happened to do one bad thing and we're making it the hook. It's not a crime or something that he denied doing, in any case. Just my thoughts. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed, good justification. I'm happy to tick it off. GMH Melbourne (talk) 01:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- As the GA reviewer: I would not believe it to unduly focus on the negative aspects of Sewell, given my understanding of the word, given what he does and what he is notable for. It's not like he is a well regarded person who happened to do one bad thing and we're making it the hook. It's not a crime or something that he denied doing, in any case. Just my thoughts. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Emil Bove
- ... that Emil Bove prosecuted Nicolás Maduro and defended Donald Trump?
– Muboshgu (talk) 23:16, 17 November 2024 (UTC).
- Will review this. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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Kings Theatre (Brooklyn)
- ... that ushers at New York City's Kings Theatre reportedly had to exercise in a basketball court in its basement? Source: Kravis, Hedi (February 12, 1978). "The Best First-Run Movie Houses!". New York Daily News. pp. 426, 427, 439, 442. Specifically page 427.
- ALT1: ... that New York City's Kings Theatre could not be subdivided because one level was too wide and the other was too narrow? Source: Liff, Bob (February 14, 1990). "A Silent Screen on Flatbush Ave. A Once and Future King?". Newsday. pp. 124, 132
- ALT2: ... that before New York City's Kings Theatre was reopened in 2015, there were at least seven unsuccessful attempts to redevelop it? Source: Calhoun, John (2019). "Loew's Kings Theatre: Restoration of a Palace for the Masses". Performing Arts Resources. Vol. 34. pp. 160–176, XIII.
- ALT3: ... that when New York City's Kings Theatre was renovated, workers restored furniture that the theater's former manager had owned for four decades? Source: Dunlap, David W. (April 23, 2015). "Brooklyn Movie Palace Throws Regal Arms Around Restored Lobby Suite". The New York Times.
- ALT4: ... that the opening of New York City's Kings Theatre was postponed three times? Source: "Pictures: Opening of new Loew's Kings". Variety. Vol. 96, no. 7. August 28, 1929. p. 34
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Feelie (Brave New World)
Epicgenius (talk) 03:57, 16 November 2024 (UTC).
- Interesting article expansion on fine sources, subscription sources accepted AGF, No copyvio obvious. The image ist licensed and would be a lovely Illustration,going well with ALT2. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 02:15, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
David Headley Green
- ... that David Green published over 200 research papers before his 18th birthday?
- Source: https://academic.oup.com/petrology/article/49/4/587/1470467 'a volume in honour of David Headley Green on the occasion of his 18th birthday, 29 February 2008' .. 'On February 29, 2008, David Green celebrated his 18th birthday in his 72nd year' . His publication list (https://earthsciences.anu.edu.au/files/DavidGreenPublicationList.pdf) lists the 209 papers he published before 2008.
Chaiten1 (talk) 08:04, 17 November 2024 (UTC).
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Articles created/expanded on November 16
[edit]Yangginu, Wan (khan)
- Source: Wada, Sei (1957). "Some Problems Concerning the Rise of T'ai-tsu the Founder of Manchu Dynasty" (PDF). Memoirs of the Research Department of the Tōyō Bunko (16). pg. 52 https://toyo-bunko.repo.nii.ac.jp/record/3415/files/memoirs16_02.pdf
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fisheries in the Philippines
- Comment: Yangginu is a day or two past the soft limit (I had forgotten to finish Wan's article), but I hope that that will be okay here.
Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 20:16, 25 November 2024 (UTC).
- Both pages are long enough and eargwig returns a 0% chance of copyvios. I think the hook is interesting, and I think it's ok to allow the Yangginu page to be a little bit late for the sake of a double hook. However, since this is a double hook, a second QPQ is needed. Once that's been done, it should be good to go. Di (they-them) (talk) 10:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, nevermind, I'm dumb. The fisheries QPQ was five different pages so that should count enough to cover this. This should be fine. Di (they-them) (talk) 10:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Trevor (duck)
- ... that in 2018, "the world's loneliest duck" arrived on the remote Pacific island country of Niue, hundreds of kilometers from
fresh water andany other duck?
- Source: "Still, living hundreds of miles away from any other duck wasn’t exactly ideal for Trevor" The New York Times, "Trevor is 'the world's loneliest duck'" ABC News, and "Niue has no surface streams because of the porous and fissured nature of its limestone surface. Even after prolonged heavy rainfall, the ground is dry within a few minutes." Wheeler & Aharon (2004)
- ALT0a: ... that "the world's loneliest duck" arrived on the remote Pacific island country of Niue in 2018? From Launchballer below
- ALT0b: ... that in 2018, "the world's loneliest duck" arrived on the remote island country of Niue, hundreds of kilometers from any other duck? Striking claim about fresh water, per TompaDompa's review as well as "Pacific" for conciseness
- ALT1: ... that Trevor the mallard was named after Trevor Mallard? Source: "The duck — which appeared earlier this year — is widely known as 'Trevor', after New Zealand's speaker of the House of Representatives, Trevor Mallard." ABC News
- ALT2: ... that political scientists use the naming of a lost duck as an example of diplomatic relations? Source: "Outside of diasporic ties, [pacific island countries] and communities also strategically establish close relationships with elites in partner states using cultural and traditional practices. ... In a less obligatory manner, Niue named their only duck Trevor, after then- New Zealand Speaker of the House of Representatives Trevor Mallard" Futaisi et al (2024), pp. 12–13
- Reviewed:
Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 02:34, 16 November 2024 (UTC).
- What about something that plays on the naming, like that "a mallard named Trevor was named for Trevor Mallard?" There might be a more fun / deliberately ambiguous way to word this, but I can't think of it. Upjav (talk) 19:01, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Per WP:DYKTRIM, I suggest ALT0a: ... that "the world's loneliest duck" arrived on the remote Pacific island country of Niue in 2018?--Launchballer 16:29, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- I will review this. TompaDompa (talk) 02:57, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Article moved to mainspace on 16 November, and (barely) meets the length requirement. There are no obvious neutrality issues. Earwig reveals no copyvio, and I didn't spot any instances of unacceptable WP:Close paraphrasing. All of the proposed hooks are interesting; I have no strong preference between them. ALT0 and ALT0a need proper sourcing for "the world's loneliest duck" in the article (see below). ALT0 additionally needs "hundreds of kilometers from fresh water and any other duck" to be properly sourced in the article per WP:DYKHFC. ALT1 is adequately sourced. ALT2 is not mentioned in the article at all. This is the nominator's fifth DYK nomination (after Template:Did you know nominations/Seed oil misinformation, Template:Did you know nominations/Conspiracy theories about the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season, Template:Did you know nominations/Sheetz–Wawa rivalry, and Template:Did you know nominations/Charles de Gaulle's trip to South America), so they are QPQ exempt; it would have been the co-nominator's sixth (after Template:Did you know nominations/Tamakautoga, Template:Did you know nominations/Texas Reliability Entity, Template:Did you know nominations/Hunuki Hunukitama, Template:Did you know nominations/Narita Viliamu Tahega, and Template:Did you know nominations/18th Niue Assembly). Some comments on the content:
Trevor began receiving media attention when The New Zealand Herald journalist Claire Trevett encountered the duck on a visit to Niue in September 2018 and reported on his appearance
– this cites Trevett's own article, i.e. the WP:PRIMARYSOURCE. That's not ideal—how can we now that this was when the media attention began? Furthermore, while the article is from 5 September 2018, Trevett only specifies that the visit to Niue was "recently" which could be late August rather than September.as the distances from Australia and New Zealand are too great for the duck to have flown under his own effort
– the cited source only says this about New Zealand, not Australia.Hundreds of miles from any known duck habitat and without a mate, he was known as "the world's loneliest duck"
– the cited source does not state the distance to the nearest duck habitat (it only says "there are no ducks on Niue") and does not support the designation as "the world's loneliest duck" as headlines are not considered reliable sources per WP:HEADLINES.Trevor lived in a roadside puddle as a local celebrity, which was refilled by the Niue Fire Service and locals when it began to dry out.
– the cited source only mentions the fire service refilling the puddle (locals are mentioned feeding the duck, but not refilling the puddle).- whyevolutionistrue.com appears to be a blog. What makes it a WP:Reliable source for the information it is used to support here?
speaker of the New Zealand Parliament
– not a DYK requirement, but it would make more sense to link Speaker of the New Zealand House of Representatives.Niue received condolences from around the world, including from his namesake politician and media outlets including [...]
– I don't think it's quite accurate to say that the media outlets gave their condolences. I would just say that they reported on the death.
Ping nominator Dan Leonard and co-nominator Upjav. TompaDompa (talk) 23:03, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- @TompaDompa: I have addressed most of your comments. Please see the article's history for the specific edits. However, I have not made any changes in regards to your first and fifth points.
- In regards to citing Trevett (2018), the first citation is simply for reader convenience, while the substantive part of the sentence (that Trevett's article led to virality) is cited to Victor (2019), which states "Eventually, his celebrity expanded beyond the island. When Claire Trevett, a senior writer at The New Zealand Herald, asked for directions while visiting Niue, someone told her to “turn right after the duck,” she wrote for the newspaper in September. After that, Trevor’s story rapidly spread to other international publications."
- While whyevolutionistrue.com is a blog, it is one run by a subject matter expert (ecologist Jerry Coyne) and is the best source available for the claim. Although suboptimal, it is not necessarily a violation of the sourcing policy.
- The article now more exactly says "hundreds of miles from any other duck" which may affect whether ALT0 meets WP:DYKHFC. Please consider re-reviewing if you feel it's necessary.
- Text supporting ALT2 was removed from the article after DYK submission. I think it was the weakest hook of the three, but if you think it is interesting feel free to restore it to the article so ALT2 meets WP:DYKHFC.
- Thank you for the detailed review. Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 23:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Alright, let's see:
- I still don't think we can say that Trevett's visit to Niue was in September 2018. It was "recently" as of 5 September 2018. There are a few different ways of resolving this. One option is saying that it was "about half a year" after Trevor's arrival in January 2018, though that's a bit clunky.
- I suppose Coyne should be acceptable per WP:EXPERTSPS, then.
- If the source and article say hundreds of miles, it is perfectly fine for the hook to say hundreds of kilometers—100 miles is more than 100 km, after all. However, the distance to the nearest fresh water in ALT0 also needs to be in the article and properly sourced. ALT0a meets the sourcing requirements now, however.
- The article now says that mallards have been introduced to New Zealand, but I don't find this in the cited source?
- The article is now very close to being below the required minimum of 1,500 characters. This does not require any particular action, but should be kept in mind if you edit it further and make it shorter.
- Ping nominator Dan Leonard and co-nominator Upjav. TompaDompa (talk) 17:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- @TompaDompa:
- Trevett date: rewrote sentence to "Trevett encountered the duck on a visit to Niue and reported on his appearance in an article published in September 2018", still a bit clunky but more precise?
- Miles/kilometers dispute: since this is an article that should follow MOS:TIES to NZ English for ENGVAR, I've changed the article to also use "kilometers" – The New York Times, as an American newspaper, used miles but I think kilometers is better here.
- Mallard introduction: added a source to Dyer & Williams (2010).
- ALT2: restored passage about diplomatic relations to allow ALT2 to meet WP:DYKHFC.
- Pinging Upjav as original article creator for final thoughts. Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 21:03, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- @TompaDompa:
- Alright, let's see:
- @TompaDompa: I have addressed most of your comments. Please see the article's history for the specific edits. However, I have not made any changes in regards to your first and fifth points.
ALT0a, ALT0b, and ALT1 are ready. I don't think describing Trevor as a "lost" duck in ALT2 is entirely accurate, but substituting "errant" (or just omitting "lost" altogether) would be okay. TompaDompa (talk) 16:35, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Celeste Caeiro
... that Celeste Caeiro was the woman who handed carnations to the soldiers during the 1974 pacific revolution in Portugal, which soon became known as the Carnation Revolution?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Celeste Caeiro died on 15 November and her gesture of handing carnations to the soldiers during the revolution of 25 April 1974 in Lisbon transformed the coup into a peaceful revolution and was dubbed the "Carnation Revolution’" globally. I have expanded her article quite a bit with reliable sources and consider it to be eligible for posting on DYK.
_-_Alsor (talk) 01:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC).
- Hi _-_Alsor, review follows: I had a quick scan through the sources and they look like news organisations, however the citations could be improved so that the name of the publication is included in the citation to make it clear to the reader; I did a spot check on verifying a claim from the source and couldn't see where this TimeOut article supported the statement "In 1974 Caeiro was working in a self-service restaurant in Lisbon called "Sir" located at Franjinhas Building on Rua Braamcamp" though that could be a failure of Google Translate, would you mind having a quick check of this (and any other sections which may not be supported)? Per WP:DYKIMG the image proposed needs to appear in the article, if you want this one it needs to be added; I would also check where you stand on freedom of panorama on 2D images, murals etc. are often still covered by copyright. The main sticking point for me is that I measure the pre-15 November version of the article at 1,222 characters and the current version at 5,656 characters. To meet the criteria of WP:DYK5X the article needs to be expanded by 5x or more, which would require an additional approx 500 characters. Do you think it is feasible to expand further? - Dumelow (talk) 11:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Dumelow: Hi, thanks for doing the review and for your suggestions! I would like to comment to you that:
- About the first one, excuse me, I don't understand what you mean. That the title of the publications must be in English so that it can be understood at first? Or that some citations are simple (mainly the last ones)? I can correct both issues.
- No, there is no mistake in the translation: the restaurant was called SIR. I will add some more references so that it can be better supported (in any case I have tried to use a better translator than Google Translate when I have needed to do so). I will also review the other citations, even though I'm sure that all the content has its respective cited source because I have made sure to do so.
- I'm going to fix what you suggest about the image as well.
- I will also try to expand article's content a little more and reach/exceed the missing 500 characters. Although I suspect that little more can be added...
- Let me spend some time later today and/or tomorrow on the article. In any case I will let you know once I have made the improvements. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Dumelow: Hi, thanks for doing the review and for your suggestions! I would like to comment to you that:
- Hi _-_Alsor, sorry to clarify in the order of your bullet points:
- The publications are fine in the native language; it was the simple citations that were just a link behind text that should really be expanded eg. with the publication name, author, date etc. where known
- Sorry, it was my mistake, I was looking for the word "Caeiro" in the article not "Celeste Martins". It is there and supports what is said. If you are happy this is the case throughout the article don't worry about checking them. I normally do a spot check of a few sentences just to check they are covered by the source and if anything is awry it is often an indication of wider problems. In this case I was being a bit stupid.
- On the image I know that if it was taken of a flat mural in the UK it would be covered by copyright and therefore not usable in DYK but laws vary around the world (but if it was a 3D sculpture for example it would be fine). I am not sure what applies in Portugal.
- Yes, hopefully there is a little more to add to bring it over the threshold.
- No worries, DYK folks are generally happy to give people about a week to work on their articles after nomination if there are things to resolve. I've watchlisted this page but if I don't respond to compelte the review feel free to message. All the best - Dumelow (talk) 18:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi _-_Alsor, sorry to clarify in the order of your bullet points:
- Simple citations are no longer "simple".
- No worries! It's an understandable confusion. I have checked the rest of citations and all is in order.
- The new image I'm proposing looks like it could be used freely and is a Banksy mural, which, to my knowledge, is usually not copyrighted (correct me if I'm wrong). The alternative would be, although I'm not convinced, to use a photograph of a red carnation.
- I have managed to exceed 6000 characters. I'll continue to expand a little more as I've found a source with interesting information.
- @Dumelow: thanks again for your collaboration. _-_Alsor (talk) 18:33, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi _-_Alsor, expansion is now looking good. I will leave judgement on the image up to the promoter and admin when posting as I am not an expert. Citations look good. I had one query arising from one sentence:
- "When Caeiro was 18 months old, she was admitted to the Alto do Pina Day Centre and was regularly visited by her mother. At the age of 14 she was transferred to the Asilo 28 de Maio." what are these? Schools, hospitals?
Other than that looks fine. Hook is interesting, stated in the article and checks out to source cited. I wonder if it can be made a little more to the point - Dumelow (talk) 19:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Celeste Caeiro handed flowers to soldiers during Portugal's Carnation Revolution?
- Dumelow I specified that Alto do Pina and Asilo 28 de Maio were boarding schools. Now let's see what they have to say about the image: I think it would be nice if that one was publishable. And about the altblurb you're proposing I'm not very convinced... I wouldn't want it to be understood that Caeiro only gave flowers during a revolution, but that her gesture ended up transforming the military coup into the Carnation Revolution. Perhaps:
ALT2 ... that Celeste Caeiro was the first to hand carnations to soldiers during Portugal's Carnation Revolution?- The idea would be a bit like that. I'm not very inspired today... _-_Alsor (talk) 22:29, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi _-_Alsor, yes that's fine. The article doesn't currently state that she was the first to hand out carnations. Can you add that (and check it is covered by the source). Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 06:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Dumelow. I don't know if it is necessary to explain it, since statements like “The idea was copied and the florists donated more flowers to the mutinous soldiers. The pictures of the soldiers with carnations in their guns appeared on front pages all over the world and the coup became known globally as the Carnation Revolution “ or the headlines of the reliable sources that have been cited as "Celeste Caeiro, Whose Flowers Gave a Name to a Revolt, Dies at 91" (NYT) or "Portugal's ’Carnations Lady' who gave a name to 1974 revolution dies at 91” (Reuters) already hint at this fact. What seems clear is that we have to find a better blurb than the one we have proposed with the ideas we both have of what it should be and what other editors who want to intervene can propose. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Dumelow, I propose another alternative blurb, taking it from the lead of Caeiro's article:
- Hello Dumelow. I don't know if it is necessary to explain it, since statements like “The idea was copied and the florists donated more flowers to the mutinous soldiers. The pictures of the soldiers with carnations in their guns appeared on front pages all over the world and the coup became known globally as the Carnation Revolution “ or the headlines of the reliable sources that have been cited as "Celeste Caeiro, Whose Flowers Gave a Name to a Revolt, Dies at 91" (NYT) or "Portugal's ’Carnations Lady' who gave a name to 1974 revolution dies at 91” (Reuters) already hint at this fact. What seems clear is that we have to find a better blurb than the one we have proposed with the ideas we both have of what it should be and what other editors who want to intervene can propose. _-_Alsor (talk) 15:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi _-_Alsor, yes that's fine. The article doesn't currently state that she was the first to hand out carnations. Can you add that (and check it is covered by the source). Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 06:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3 that Celeste Caeiro 's actions led to the naming of the 1974 coup in Portugal as the Carnation Revolution? _-_Alsor (talk) 09:13, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi _-_Alsor, the source cited in the article says that this is one of only three possibilities for why it was called the Carnation Revolution. Do you have a better source you can replace it with that says it was definitely Caeiro's act that led to the naming? - Dumelow (talk) 09:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Dumelow, I have replaced this source with others that are more reliable, in English and support this fact. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3 approved - Dumelow (talk) 12:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Dumelow Thank you very much for your work! _-_Alsor (talk) 12:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3 approved - Dumelow (talk) 12:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Dumelow, I have replaced this source with others that are more reliable, in English and support this fact. _-_Alsor (talk) 10:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi _-_Alsor, the source cited in the article says that this is one of only three possibilities for why it was called the Carnation Revolution. Do you have a better source you can replace it with that says it was definitely Caeiro's act that led to the naming? - Dumelow (talk) 09:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Bea Hines
- ... that Bea Hines, the first African American woman to become a reporter at the Miami Herald, was sent out to report on a riot on her first day at work?
Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 15:26, 16 November 2024 (UTC).
- Hook meets requirements, though it is not rare for this to happen to reporters. I was able to verify the statement and the article looks good. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:11, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 17
[edit]Raul Meza Jr.
- ... that serial killer Raul Meza Jr. began using drugs at age eight?
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Emancipation Pictorial
- ... that the Emancipation Pictorial (issue pictured), a Chinese women's magazine, opposed women's political participation?
- Source: Wang Cancan (王璨璨) (7 June 2021). 解放画报 [Emancipation Pictorial]. Encyclopaedia of China (in Chinese) (3rd ed.). Archived from the original on 17 November 2024. Retrieved 17 November 2024. "因而提倡女权、男女平等、妇女解放等,但是反对女子参政. (Therefore, it advocated for women's rights, gender equality, women's liberation, etc., but opposed women's participation in politics.)"
- ALT1: ... that most of the contributors to the Emancipation Pictorial (issue pictured), a Chinese women's magazine, were men? Source: 中国妇女报刊史上首份画报 初期男作者投稿居多 [The First Pictorial Magazine in the History of Chinese Women's Newspapers and Periodicals; Most of the Early Contributors were Male]. Shenyang Daily (in Chinese). 8 March 2010. Archived from the original on 30 January 2011. Retrieved 17 November 2024 – via Sohu.com. "自本刊创办以来,无论是文稿还是图稿,竟男子作居多,女子作居少." (Since the establishment of this journal, most of the manuscripts and illustrations have been written by men, while few have been written by women.)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Phoebe Plummer (4 of 4)
- Comment:
Please note that I have three journal articles pending at the Reference Exchange, all of which interpret the magazine and its content. There may thus be further expansion.
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 20:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC).
- Article was made on the 17th of this month, so is new enough. It is more than long enough and reads neutrally while properly using in-line citations. The copyvio detector finds no issues and I AGF on the translations, which appear to be accurate for the hooks as far as I can tell. Depressing hooks, but certainly fall under interesting and they are cited in-line. The QPQ has been done and the image presented is in the public domain and is visually understandable even at a small size. Looks good to go! SilverserenC 00:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
William C. Roberts (pastor)
- ... that Centre College president William C. Roberts oversaw the school's consolidation with another institution to become Central University of Kentucky? Source: https://sc.centre.edu/ency/c/central.html and https://sc.centre.edu/ency/r/roberts.html
- ALT1: ... that William C. Roberts had to resign a pastorate in Columbus, Ohio, because his wife's illness was said to be "incurable" unless she returned to her home state of New Jersey? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/article/daily-ohio-statesman/158933923/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/David Headley Green
PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 00:54, 18 November 2024 (UTC).
- Hi PCN02WPS, review follows: article moved to mainspace on 17 November and far exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable sources; I didn't find any issue with overly close paraphrasing in a spotcheck on sources; hook facts are interesting, mentioned in the article and check out to sources cited; a QPQ has been carried out. Looks fine to me - Dumelow (talk) 09:45, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 18
[edit]White chocolate
- ... that white chocolate (pictured) was originally a coating for a vitamin product Nestlé were making with pharmaceutical group Roche?
- Source: South China Morning Post
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Overall: I congratulate you for getting this to GA status within the past week and would like to see it on the front page. However, I think the hook itself could be better. The hook does describe something interesting, but I would recommend rewording it to be more snappy. Especially since "Nestlé were making" is grammatically incorrect as Nestle is a single entity. Perhaps to make it more concise and thus more enticing to read, cut the second half of the hook starting with "Nestlé were...". Lazman321 (talk) 08:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Comment: Some qualification is needed in the hook unfortunately: 1) The Washington Post article indicates that there is only consensus that Nestlé was responsible for the first commercial white chocolate, not white chocolate generally 2) The South China Morning Post article is not a reliable source for history (seen for example in how it implies Henri Nestlé was alive in 1936) but can be used for the attributed claims of Nestlé. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 08:47, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1: "... that white chocolate (pictured) has been used as a coating for vitamin products?" seems to solve both concerns I think, Lazman321 and Rollinginhisgrave.--NØ 09:33, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Essentially resolves my concerns, thanks for the change. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 21:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. I approve ALT1. Lazman321 (talk) 06:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Shane Connolly (florist)
- ... that Shane Connolly has provided flowers for two royal weddings and the coronation of Charles III?
- Source: "Coronation flowers: Shane Connolly's floral arrangement fit for a king ... He arranged the flowers for the wedding of King Charles III and Camilla, the Queen Consort in St George's Chapel, Windsor, in 2005. In 2011 his services were called upon again for the wedding of the Prince of Wales and Catherine, Princess of Wales at Westminster Abbey." from: "Coronation flowers: Shane Connolly's floral arrangement fit for a king". BBC News. 4 May 2023. Retrieved 15 November 2024.
- ALT1: ... that Shane Connolly decorated Westminster Abbey with 20-foot tall (6 m) field maples for the Wedding of Prince William and Catherine Middleton? Source: "Trees have played a vital role in both of Mr Connolly's royal wedding arrangements. ... The Field Maples lining Westminster Abbey for Prince William and Catherine's wedding became famous but Mr Connolly admitted they were not his original intention." from:"Coronation flowers: Shane Connolly's floral arrangement fit for a king". BBC News. 4 May 2023. Retrieved 15 November 2024. "we talk about 20-foot trees, they are lost slightly in the grandeur of the Abbey" from c. 32:50 of "Gardeners' Corner, The King's Garden: A Gardeners' Corner special". BBC Radio Ulster. Retrieved 15 November 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Breton Civil War, 1341
Dumelow (talk) 08:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC).
- looks good to me; checks all the boxes on the list. I also gave the article some copyedits on wording to hopefully make it read a bit better. Personally, I prefer ALT1, although I believe a hook based on
was later commissioned to make a copy of his wedding bouquet in artificial flowers to be exhibited alongside Camilla's wedding dress
could be neat. I'd propose:
- ... that Shane Connolly made an artificial copy of his work for the Wedding of Prince Charles and Camilla Parker Bowles to be displayed in the Victoria and Albert Museum alongside Camilla's wedding dress?
- as an ALT2 to consider. --PixDeVl
yelltalk to me! 02:11, 25 November 2024 (UTC)- Thanks PixDeVl; I am happy for either hook to run - Dumelow (talk) 05:21, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Vitamin E
- ... that vitamin E acetate, used as a thickening agent in illicit, non-tobacco, vaping cartridges, is suspected as being a cause of lung injury?
- Source: Ref 107-112 in the vitamin E article confirm that the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) believes that vitamin E acetate is a likely cause of vaping lung injury.
- Source: Ref Evans 1938 in History section confirms origin of 'tocopherol'.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bob Gandey
- Comment:
David notMD (talk) 14:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Looks pretty good, I personally prefer ALT1 as a bit more interesting(rats make everything more interesting). While it doesn't seem to be an issue, I will note here that Earwig's Copyvio Detector did flag the entirety of the Vitamin E#Biosynthesis section as copied from 'ysgsolution.com'. Although, given that the site isn't on any archive I tried, and the section was added with inline cites by @David notMD: back in 2018, I think it's safe to say Wikipedia was the one copied from, so that's a non-issue for this. PixDeVl yell talk to me! 17:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 shortened. David notMD (talk) 23:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- @David notMD: Alright then! Approved from me! Thanks friend!
- Thank you. Looking forward to how much of a spike a DYK generates. David notMD (talk) 17:20, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- @David notMD: Alright then! Approved from me! Thanks friend!
Let me suggest a minor copyedit:
- ALT1a: ... that Vitamin E was named "tocopherol" from the Greek "tókos" (to birth) and "phérein" (to bear/carry), having been identified as essential for live births in rats?RoySmith (talk) 03:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Latin-esque
- ... that the 1962 space-age pop album Latin-esque was recorded with halves of the orchestra separated by almost a city block to heighten its stereo effects?
- Source: Liner notes on back of album: "[T]he orchestra was separated into two parts -- half in Studio 1 and the other half in Studio 2, almost a city block down a long corridor in the RCA Building in Hollywood." This review praised its stereo effects: "[I]t is an expanding album that takes up all the space while listening, as it moves from left to right, from top to bottom and from front to back with intersecting instruments."
- Reviewed: Entiativity
Cbl62 (talk) 02:49, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
- Nice article! New enough. It certainly seems to meet the size requirements. Seems to skate past the notability requirements given the AllMusic article. Interesting and sourced hook. Good--NØ 22:44, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Marie-Thérèse Eyquem
- ... that Marie-Thérèse Eyquem served in the government of Vichy France and was the first woman appointed as a national secretary of the French Socialist Party?
- Source: "En 1975, elle devient la première femme secrétaire nationale du PS" and "Marie-Thérèse Eyquem, forte de son expérience et de son succès au Rayon sportif féminin, est nommée le 17 août 1940 directrice des sports féminins du commissariat à l’Éducation générale et aux sports." Marie-Thérèse Eyquem: Du sport à la politique, parcours d'une féministe p. 18, 47
- Reviewed: n/a
– dudhhr talkcontribssheher 22:07, 18 November 2024 (UTC).
- Passes DYKcheck, hook looks good. Article in good shape. No QPQ needed. CaptainAngus (talk) 13:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Ian Fyfe (Daily Mirror journalist)
- ... that British war correspondent Ian Fyfe was killed on D-Day while landing in a glider with troops attacking the Merville Gun Battery?
- Source: "Ian Fyfe was a Daily Mirror reporter who volunteered to travel across the Channel in a glider to cover the Normandy landings. But the glider crashed in swamps near its planned landing spot near the Nazis’ strategic Merville Gun Battery, and Ian became the only journalist to die on D-Day." from: Parry, Tom (29 April 2022). "Nephew of hero journalist who died in WW2 'emotional' as he visits new memorial". The Mirror. Retrieved 16 November 2024.
Dumelow (talk) 13:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC).
- article is recently created, long enough and within policy. Hook is interesting and short enough. QPQ is complete. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 23:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Doori Land
- ... that a South Korean actor sold off his belongings and went $7 million into debt in order to keep his amusement park running? Source: [19]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Murder of Wang Lianying
- Comment: I had a previous account (User:toobigtokale) that I retired per WP:RTV that had more than 5 noms, idr if I had any QPQs needed. So just reviewing an article now anyway
seefooddiet (talk) 22:11, 19 November 2024 (UTC).
- Article is new enough (created November 18), long enough, and NPOV. Hook is undoubtedly interesting. Hook is inline cited to the Los Angeles Times, which is RS. No image. Earwig indicates copyvio unlikely (14.5%). No QPQ required. Good to go! Chetsford (talk) 22:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Murad Al-Katib
- ... that Murad Al-Katib provided 700 million meals of Saskatchewan-grown chickpeas, lentils and wheat to a United Nations program for Syrian refugees?
Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 17:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Happy to review this one. All elements of the article pass the DYK criteria, hook is interesting and cited. Good to go! Sims2aholic8 (talk) 11:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Anarchism without adjectives
- ... that some anarchists reject adjectives?
- Source: Esenwein, George Richard (1989). "Anarquismo sin adjectivos". Anarchist Ideology and the Working-class Movement in Spain, 1868-1898. University of California Press. pp. 134–154. ISBN 978-0520063983.
- ALT1: ... that anarchism without adjectives has been described as an ecumenical or non-denominational form of anarchism? Source: Esenwein, George Richard (1989). "Anarquismo sin adjectivos". Anarchist Ideology and the Working-class Movement in Spain, 1868-1898. University of California Press. pp. 134, 137. ISBN 978-0520063983.
- ALT2: ... that anarchism without adjectives was formulated to counter sectarianism and dogmatism in the anarchist movement? Source: Esenwein, George Richard (1989). "Anarquismo sin adjectivos". Anarchist Ideology and the Working-class Movement in Spain, 1868-1898. University of California Press. pp. 134–137. ISBN 978-0520063983.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jill, Duchess of Hamilton
Grnrchst (talk) 09:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC).
- Article was promoted to GA recently enough. I'm going to trust that the GA review addressed any content and sourcing concerns. WP:EARWIG says copyvio is unlikely. All three hooks are good, but the latter two might be a bit wordy and verbose, and the first one is punchier. This seems good to go to me! Di (they-them) (talk) 05:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
St. Gregory the Great Seminary
- ... that St. Gregory the Great Seminary was founded in a former juvenile mental hospital?
- Source: Rosman, Veronica (22 August 1998). "Nebraska's Own Seminary". Omaha World-Herald. pp. 65, 66. Retrieved 19 November 2024., Hovey, Art (18 April 1999). "Answering the Call". Lincoln Journal Star. pp. 1K, 3K. Retrieved 19 November 2024.
~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 05:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC).
- Hi Darth Stabro, review follows: hook fact is interesting, mentioned in article and checks out to source cited; article created 19 November and exceeds minimum length; article is well written and cited inline throughout to what look to be reliable enough sources for the subject (the rectors section is not cited but only includes information stated elsewhere in the article); I didn't pick up on any overly close paraphrasing from the sources in a spotcheck; a QPQ is in progress. Looks fine to me - Dumelow (talk) 08:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Tomato Industrial Museum D. Nomikos
- ... that a museum of tomato processing (pictured) in Greece uses holographic mechanical fans to display images of workers? Source: "Two holographic fans were used that operate by exploiting their rotation frequency in combination with LED light emission from the fans to display the material." section 4.1 on the pdf: https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/3609987.3610008
Lajmmoore (talk) 17:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Epicgenius (talk) 01:02, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 19
[edit]Zhou Jianyun, Orphan Rescues Grandfather
- ... that Zhou Jianyun pawned his wife's jewellery to make Orphan Rescues Grandfather (scene pictured), saving his studio?
- Source: * Jin Qi'an (金其安) (2009). 中国早期电影事业的开拓者周剑云 [Zhou Jianyun, The Pioneer of China's Early Film Industry]. Jianghuai Literature and History (in Chinese) (2): 133–141. Retrieved 18 November 2024. "1923年,开办不久即面临经济困难的明星公司决定倾力拍摄长片正剧《孤儿救祖记》,为此,新婚不久的周剑云献出了新娘的首饰。当年12月18日开拍的《孤儿救祖记》试映成功,奠定了中国无声影片的基本形式,造就了王汉伦等影坛明星,鼓舞了一批有钱人投资国产电影,并挽救了陷于困难之中的明星影片公司,使其站稳了脚跟. (In 1923, the Mingxing Company, which had just started and was facing financial difficulties, decided to devote all its efforts to filming the feature-length drama "The Orphan Saves His Country". For this, the newly married Zhou Jianyun donated his bride's jewelry. The preview of "The Orphan Saves His Country", which was screened on December 18 of that year, was successful, laying the foundation for Chinese silent films, creating movie stars such as Wang Hanlun, inspiring a group of wealthy people to invest in domestic films, and saving the troubled Mingxing Film Company by giving it a firm foothold.)"
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:02, 19 November 2024 (UTC).
- Reviewing
- QPQ is done.
- Both articles are new enough and long enough.
- Both articles are adequately cited.
- Image is PD.
- Most sources for both articles are in Chinese. I will WP:AGF that the sources have been interpreted in a neutral manner.
- I believe that the bio adheres to WP:BLP.
- Since the limited non-Chinese sources are offline or paywalled, it is impossible to verify that these subjects are not hoaxes, but I again AGF.
- Both articles are presented in an encyclopedic manner.
- The hook can not be verified due to the foreign, offline and paywalled of sources.
- The hook is short enough and interesting.
- The image is not the highest quality, but it is sufficiently presentable at a reduced size to have encyclopedic value.
- I am comfortable approving this nomination.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Nicola Gratteri
- ... that Italian anti-Mafia prosecutor Nicola Gratteri survived three assassination attempts within three weeks?
- Source: "In 1993, a year after his fellow prosecutors were murdered in Sicily, Mr Gratteri escaped three assassination attempts in three weeks. " from: Robbins, Siobhan. "Nicola Gratteri: How it feels to be the mafia's most wanted man". Sky News. Retrieved 14 November 2024.
- ALT1: ... that for security reasons Italian anti-Mafia prosecutor Nicola Gratteri only meets his wife at a safehouse? Source: "Mr Gratteri's war against this hugely powerful network has forced him to make sacrifices in his personal life. He is still married but has mostly lived apart from his wife, for her safety. These days, they meet only in safehouses." from: Robbins, Siobhan. "Nicola Gratteri: How it feels to be the mafia's most wanted man". Sky News. Retrieved 14 November 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/William C. Roberts (pastor)
Dumelow (talk) 19:31, 19 November 2024 (UTC).
- I'll be reviewing this. SilverserenC 04:36, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Article was moved to mainspace on the 19th, so is new enough. At around 3000 characters, it is long enough. The article is written neutrally, properly uses in-line citations, and shows no issues from the copyvio detector. Both hooks are interesting, are cited in-line, and their source checks out. The QPQ has been properly done. Looks good to go! SilverserenC 04:59, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Child Law Project
- ... that the Child Law Project "shines a light" on Ireland's child care system? Source: https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/1104/1478889-child-protection-report/
Bogger (talk) 13:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
- Timely nomination. The hook seems interesting enough and appears in the article. I checked the character count and it meets the minimum requirement. QPQ also done so this is ready. Unrelated to the DYK process, the article might benefit from a picture if any relevant one is available.--NØ 22:53, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
2022 Andover tornado
- ... that despite damaging over 1,000 buildings, the 2022 Andover tornado (pictured) only injured three people?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Chris Wright (energy executive)
- Comment: Since I know this'll be brought up, tornado intensity does not equate to notability. This is a rare case of an EF3 tornado meeting our myriad of notability guidelines.
EF5 20:03, 19 November 2024 (UTC).
- Hi @EF5:, review follows: article created 19 November and exceeds minimum length; article is well enough written and generally cited throughout, I've tagged a few instances where it is not; I am no tornado expert but the sources used look to be reliable for the subject; I noted that the "Meteorological synopsis" section is copy pasted from the source, but that this is from the federal NOAA so is PD; hook fact is interesting, stated in the article and checks out to sources; a QPQ has been carried out; image is OK but I wonder if the video could appear instead; they tend to do well at DYK. If you can address the citations needed I think this should be good to go - Dumelow (talk) 09:54, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- I was actually just about to upload that video, but it appears that someone got to it first. Yes, that video would be much better. I’ll get to the citations in a bit. EF5 13:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Dumelow: All CNs have been addressed. The stuff in the lede is cited in the main prose, same goes with infobox content. EF5 13:36, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- I was actually just about to upload that video, but it appears that someone got to it first. Yes, that video would be much better. I’ll get to the citations in a bit. EF5 13:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @EF5:. Looks good to go - Dumelow (talk) 13:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 20
[edit]As Long As You're Mine
... that for Wicked's spooky anniversary special, Ledisi and Adam Lambert performed "fan favourite" "As Long As You're Mine"?Source: https://ew.com/tv/2018/10/29/the-5-best-moments-in-a-very-wicked-halloween- ALT1 ... that the basic tune for "As Long As You're Mine" from 2003's Wicked was written by Stephen Schwartz in the 1970s? Sources: Laird, Paul R. (September 2017). Everett, William A. (ed.). The Cambridge companion to the musical [3rd edition]. Cambridge University Press. Page 12 "How to Create a Musical: The Case of Wicked". ISBN 9781316335468 – via dokumen.pub. Bowkett, Ian (13 September 2021). "A conversation with Stephen Schwartz: Pippin, that Wicked movie and an astonishing career as a composer". MusicalTheatreReview.com.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hikari Kodama
Bogger (talk) 16:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
- Okay, so the article meets the size requirements and was nominated in time. I see in-line citations wherever necessary in it and the QPQ is done. I am a little unsure on ALT0 when it comes to interestingness, so ALT1 would be my preference. For the first hook to be approved too, I believe the words "spooky anniversary special" would have to be added to the article.--NØ 06:56, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- How about ALT0A below? Happy for ALT1 to be used otherwise. -Bogger (talk) 20:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT0A ... that for Wicked's halloween anniversary special, Ledisi and Adam Lambert performed "fan favourite" "As Long As You're Mine"? Source: https://ew.com/tv/2018/10/29/the-5-best-moments-in-a-very-wicked-halloween
- Not a fan of ALT0a due to WP:SEAOFBLUE concerns. Might be better to stick to ALT1. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- I believe ALT1 can have the tick.--NØ 22:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not a fan of ALT0a due to WP:SEAOFBLUE concerns. Might be better to stick to ALT1. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Brian Higgins (trade unionist)
- ... that Scottish bricklayer Brian Higgins was unable to find work for 25 years after appearing on a construction industry blacklist?
- Source: "Although blacklisting was illegal, many construction companies vetted workers through a clandestine database that identified union members or activists as “troublemakers” ... Brian said: “I started to see it was getting harder to find work. There was plenty of construction work going on, but I was getting knocked back.” He was without work for more than 25 years until his retirement in 2006." from: Pounds, Chris (25 June 2019). "Brian Higgins obituary". The Guardian. Retrieved 13 November 2024.
Dumelow (talk) 09:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Source says "He was without work for more than 25 years until his retirement in 2006", which supports hook. Article says "unable to work in the industry at all from 1981; being supported on the wage of his wife until his retirement in 2006". Accepting per WP:2+2=4. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 14:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Transatlantic cables incident
- ... that in 1959, seamen from the warship USS Roy O. Hale (pictured) boarded the Soviet ship M/V Novorossiysk in response to a report from AT&T?
, and Incidents at Sea: American Confrontation and Cooperation with Russia and China, 1945–2016
Chetsford (talk) 01:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
- Hi Chetsford, great idea for an article. Review: created 21 November and exceeds minimum length; sources used look generally reliable (I am not sure about destroyerhistory.org but it is only used to cite the complement of the destroyer involved); article is fully cited inline; I don't have access to all the sources but didn't pick up on any issues with overly close paraphrasing in a spotcheck; Earwig score is high but only because of the quoted article form the convention (which is PD and appropriate); image is PD (source states from Department of Defense); I can't access the sources cited for the hook but it is stated in the article so I will AGF; QPQ awaited but otherwise looks good - Dumelow (talk) 21:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Dumelow - QPQ now done! (For Destroyer History - I did some research on it a couple years ago and posed a question at RSN [20]. It didn't get much interest/response, unfortunately.) Chetsford (talk) 22:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Looks good. I think the additional info you've provided at RSN helps demonstrate reliability - Dumelow (talk) 06:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Dumelow - QPQ now done! (For Destroyer History - I did some research on it a couple years ago and posed a question at RSN [20]. It didn't get much interest/response, unfortunately.) Chetsford (talk) 22:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 21
[edit]Jacob Frolich
- ... that Jacob Frolich, the Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1879 to 1885, was a Grand Giant in the Ku Klux Klan?
- Source: He served as Secretary of State of Arkansas for three terms, from 1879 to 1885.(source: Allsopp pp 571-572) Frolich was the Grand Giant of the Ku Klux Klan for White County.(source: Trelease)
- ALT1: ... that newspaper publisher Jacob Frolich built trap doors and hiding places in his house in case it was raided by Radical Republicans? Source: He purchased Curran Hall in Little Rock. He was under scrutiny from the Radical Republican government and Frolich set up trap doors and hiding places in the building in case it was raided.(source: Library of Congress)
- ALT2: ... that Jacob Frolich, the Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1879 to 1885, fled to Canada to avoid arrest for murder? Source: A warrant with no bail was issued for the arrest of Frolich, Dandridge and several other men involved in the murder. Frolich fled to Canada and worked as a printer in Windsor, Ontario (source: Allsopp page 477)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Miles Rock
Dwkaminski (talk) 19:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
- GTG. New and long enuf (expansion checks out); seems neutral. well-written, all 3 hooks check out. Personally I like ALT1 best, but all are good. Pic ok to use, but very low quality. Earwig finds nothing. Johnbod (talk) 18:13, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
SpongeKnob SquareNuts
- ... that SpongeBob has an existential crisis in a porn parody?
Di (they-them) (talk) 05:34, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Nice hook and it's cited. The article is in good shape as well, and QPQ is provided here. No copyright violation concerns. The article is definitely...interesting! ~ Tails Wx 06:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 22
[edit]Edward W. Gantt
- ... that Edward W. Gantt was a Confederate soldier who defected to the Union during the American Civil War?
- Source: Finley, Randy (2002). ""This Dreadful Whirlpool" of Civil War: Edward W. Gantt and the Quest for Distinction". In Finley, Randy; DeBlack, Thomas A. (eds.). The Southern Elite and Social Change: Essays in Honor of Willard B. Gatewood Jr. Fayetteville, Arkansas: University of Arkansas Press. pp. 64–68. ISBN 1-55728-720-1.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hanif Kureshi
- Comment: Driveby nom suggested at WT:DYK; the hook was proposed by @TarnishedPath:.
Launchballer 13:44, 23 November 2024 (UTC).
- Article promoted to GA on 22 November; article is cited inline throughout to reliable sources; sources are mostly offline but I found no overly close paraphrasing form the ones I could access; hook fact is interesting, stated in article, it is cited offline but checks out in the Encyclopedia of Arkansas source; a QPQ has been carried out. Looks fine to me - Dumelow (talk) 18:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Dumelow, the article can be accessed through the Wikipedia Library at https://muse-jhu-edu.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/pub/189/edited_volume/chapter/2024970 TarnishedPathtalk 01:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Might be worthwhile adding that link to the article rather than just here - Dumelow (talk) 07:44, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Dumelow, the article can be accessed through the Wikipedia Library at https://muse-jhu-edu.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/pub/189/edited_volume/chapter/2024970 TarnishedPathtalk 01:34, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on November 23
[edit]Zheng Zhegu
- ... that Zheng Zhegu (pictured) was trained as a soldier, but gained recognition as a comedian?
- Source: Jia, Binwu (2022). "Zheng Zhegu and Performances in Early Chinese Film". Journal of Chinese Film Studies. 2 (2): 261–276. doi:10.1515/jcfs-2022-0002.
- ALT1: ... that Zheng Zhegu (pictured) urged his film students to bring their girlfriends when no women enrolled?
- Source: Ding, Yaping (2021). General History of Chinese Film I: 1896–1949. Translated by Jin, Haina. London and New York: Routledge. doi:10.4324/9781003204695. ISBN 978-1-000-43485-9.
- ALT2: ... that Zheng Zhegu's character in Labourer's Love (pictured) has been compared to silent film comedians Buster Keaton and Harold Lloyd?
- Source: Keaton: Huang, Xuelei (2022). "Beyond Labourer's Love: Rethinking Early Chinese Film Comedy". Journal of Chinese Film Studies. 2 (2): 277–297. doi:10.1515/jcfs-2022-0024.
- Lloyd: Rea, Christopher (2021). Chinese Film Classics, 1922-1949. New York: Columbia University Press. ISBN 978-0-231-18813-5.
— Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC).
- The article looks really good and an appropriate size. The nomination was made in time and the QPQ has been completed. All hooks are interesting but I imagine ALT1 grabbing the most pageviews so I have a preference for that. The promotor may want ALT0 to be included in the article with a reference directly at the end of the sentence, though, as that sequence of words does not currently seem to appear in the article.--NØ 06:40, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Maranofan. The specific wording in the article is "he attended the Jiangnan Military Academy and became a junior officer in the Seventh Town of the New Army." and "Critics noted Zheng's proclivity for comedy during his stage days, with one writing in Xibao in 1918 that he was "witty but not frivolous and gimmicky, but not exploitative [with a] refined difference from those who just want to mess around." Thanks for the review! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]HMT Night Hawk
- ... that HMT Night Hawk was sunk on Christmas Day 1914 while trawling for mines off Scarborough, England?
- Source: "Christmas Day came with sadness. The mine- sweepers were busily at work as usual. Among them was the Grimsby trawler Night Hawk, which had been operating between Flamborough Head and Whitby. At the end of her day's work on Christmas Eve she had gone into Whitby, and next morning came out at seven o'clock; but off Scarborough she struck a mine, and the vessel went down in less than ten seconds." from: Chatterton, Edward Keble (1923). The Auxiliary Patrol. Sidgwick & Jackson. pp. 55–56.
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- Comment: would be nice if this could run on Christmas Day for the 110th anniversary of the sinking.
Dumelow (talk) 20:15, 25 November 2024 (UTC).
- Running the checklist. :)
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: That is highly unfortunate, it seemed like a beast of a ship. Everything looks good, I have nothing to comment on. EF5 13:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)