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January 2[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 2, 2017.

GEORGE W. BUSH[edit]

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The result of the discussion was No consensus. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 18:59, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No affinity for name in all caps, unlike OBAMA for example, where it is prominent on election posters. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 23:25, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. However useless it is, deleting it would be just as meaningless and also quite pedantic. No way this redirect could mislead anyone. Kranix (talk | contribs) 20:55, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Please explain why it is meaningless, having the redirect is, IMO meaningless for there is no special affinity of his name in all caps, {{R from other capitalization}} is only meant to be used with valid capitalizations that are likely search terms. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:03, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Champion: Where do you get that idea? All {{R from other capitalisation}} says is that such redirects "may help writing, searching and international language issues." and all-caps redirects are very plausible and may indeed help writing and searching. The only redirects where "affinity" is a criterion (formal or informal) is foreign-language redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 13:02, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • @Thryduulf:Please see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 November 3#OBAMA and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 October 20#OBAMA!. These two examples symbolise they either have affinity or not with a certain capitalization, thanks. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 21:17, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
          • The second of your links is as about an exclamation mark and all-caps, as redirects with trailing punctuation are often deleted regardless of capitalisation it doesn't help determine any precedent for redirects without trailing punctuation. The first link simply establishes that being regularly used in all caps on posters is a reason to keep an all-caps redirect, it does not establish that this is the only reason to keep an all-caps redirect or that lack of that one specific use is a reason for deletion - and even if it did, it takes far more than one discussion to establish a meaningful precedent. Thryduulf (talk) 21:31, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Champion: Explain why deletion is meaningless? Huh. Surely the burden of proof is on you to prove there is a meaning to it. I, at least, cannot see how deleting this redirect would improve the encyclopedia. Kranix (talk | contribs) 19:02, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Our search engine will already transparently send the all-caps name to the right page, even without this redirect. The only way the redirect would be relevant is if someone manually edits the URL in the browser address bar. I don't think we want a million redirects of this form, covering every biography we have. Alsee (talk) 23:46, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Direct URL entry is one, but not the only, case sensitive method of browsing Wikipedia. Should we create all-caps redirects to every biography? no. But equally we should not delete those that someone has bothered to create. Thryduulf (talk) 11:52, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep  Personal beliefs that the redirect is useless are solved by ignoring the redirect, and no other problems have been identified.  Unscintillating (talk) 23:37, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. Keep per WP:CHEAP, it wouldn't be helpful if somebody was creating a ton of all-caps redirects but as it is it's not a completely implausible search term. Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 18:43, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Donald Trump's Hair[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget as proposed. Deryck C. 18:31, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think more people will be looking for Donald Trump in popular culture#Hair rather than an obscure track. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 21:55, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep song and album strongly associated with Jones. Rolling Stone claimed it topped comedy album charts. [1] although I'm not sure which chart that is. But news articles mention it as part of her repertoire that she considered for America's Got Talent and her legacy. [2] [3] [4] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 03:47, 21 December 2016 (UTC) updated 14:42, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • redirect per nom. There are certainly far more people aware of Trump's hair outside of comedy albums. Mangoe (talk) 18:23, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per nom, to Donald Trump in popular culture#Hair. The section about his hair is clearly primary. Note that I added mention of the song (and a link to the artist) at the new proposed target. Anyone looking for the song will still be able to find the artist's article. Alsee (talk) 01:18, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Greed is good[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Retarget all to Gordon Gekko. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 19:05, 10 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Taking it to discussion not because I want to delete it, but because I want to retarget it. A more specific target would be to the fictional utterer of this phrase Gordon Gekko. The current target is technically correct, but my suggested target is better. Mr. Guye (talk) 22:11, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I was WP:SURPRISED to learn that "Greed is good" is not an article, or redirect to article, about Thatcherism and/or the materialistic culture that arose in the 1980s both of which are very commonly associated with this phrase, at least in the UK. Thryduulf (talk) 22:22, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - taking a look at the Thatcherism article, I can't see where this term is referenced there at all - admittedly I skimmed the article, but read the Economics, Criticism and Legacy sections, where you would expect to find a derisive term like this. In light of that, I think Mr. Guye's option is a better, more specific, target. And in my view the more specific, the better. Onel5969 TT me 12:03, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is that sort of article that I would personally expect this redirect to point to, rather than necessarily that specific article. Looking for uses, we have quite a few that use it in passing and as the names of episodes and the like, e.g. The Eighties (miniseries), Trump: The Art of the Deal, Go On..., List of Ashes to Ashes episodes. However none of them are the primary topic, so there might be some disambiguation need here. It seems that if we do have the article I'm envisioning it doesn't use that exact phrase. I can see why the nom has suggested the target they have, and it does have merit, but it doesn't alter the fact that it's not where I would expect to arrive. Thryduulf (talk) 20:03, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Gordon Gekko given that the saying encompasses a core aspect of the character and his personality. When people think back to these words as criticism of various social trends, they're thinking more of the individual and his actions rather than the movie as a whole, I think. I don't have a strong opinion either way, though. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 10:23, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Gordon Gekko per CoffeeWithMarkets. The phrase is associated with the film, but it is more closely associated with the character. Daß Wölf 17:13, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget per nom. The films are prominently featured in the character's article's lede anyways so no need for hatnotes. So this is where that Warcraft infinite money cheat came from --Lenticel (talk) 02:32, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisting comment: Does WP:DIFFCAPS play any part in this discussion? If so, wouldn't only Greed is good target the character that said it, and then the others should target/become a disambiguation page that Thryduulf referenced?
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Agree , yes the other 2 can be retargeted as well. --Mr. Guye (talk) 03:57, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget all three. I don't see a strong connection with Thatcher here. When reading the speech linked above by Thryduulf, it seems to me like the saying was only coined or took off due to the film. Daß Wölf 04:17, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update: I created Greed Is Good (disambiguation). George Ho (talk) 11:57, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget all three given the above CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:41, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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💡[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- Tavix (talk) 00:04, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pointless redirect as it's almost impossible to create this symbol using a computer keyboard Joseph2302 (talk) 18:38, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - "almost impossible to create this symbol using a computer keyboard" is a case of you assuming everyone else has the same setup as you. On a Touch Bar keyboard (which are uncommon now but likely to spread rapidly - where Apple goes others tend to follow), or an Android or iOS OSK, it takes considerably less time to enter this symbol than it does to type "electric light" (two taps and one swipe on a typical phone). ‑ Iridescent 19:21, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict)Keep. It is highly likely that people will copy and paste unicode characters into the search box (or other search method) to find out about them or what they represent. In this case the character is "U+1F4A1 ELECTRIC LIGHT BULB". Electric light bulb redirects to Incandescent light bulb but the glyph could be any sort of light bulb so Electric light, where Light bulb redirects, seems the best option (see also #Electric light bulb where I will shortly nominate that redirect for retargetting to match light bulb). Thryduulf (talk) 19:24, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Here's the Emojipedia link so you can see what it looks like on most major platforms. Perhaps a useful discussion would be whether this should target electric light or incandescent light bulb. -- Tavix (talk) 19:57, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I actually just changed this redirect following a discussion at the Help Desk. If it makes you feel better, it previously redirected to Idea, which is probably all around worse. I think it's all a little silly to redirect from random Unicode characters to articles, but it turns out there is a metric butt ton of these redirects already. TimothyJosephWood 19:58, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, and they come up frequently enough that we have a common outcome section for them. See WP:EMOJI. -- Tavix (talk) 19:59, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, incandescent is probably the better redirect. I just searched for "light bulb", ended up at Electric light, and went with it without much thought. TimothyJosephWood 20:01, 19 December 2016 (UTC)→[reply]
  • 💡 Idea Emoji
  • 💡 Light Bulb Emoji
IMO, focusing on "light bulbs" or "electric light bulbs", much less "incandescent light bulbs"; to the exclusion of "inspiration"; misses the point of having the emoji.  Unscintillating (talk) 01:43, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Disambiguate as proposed, either as a new dab page or by extending Electric light (disambiguation). This is a case where an emoji has a well-defined set of meanings, all based on the light bulb, but they aren't neatly covered under one Wikipedia topic. Some sort of lightbulb disambiguation page is the appropriate solution. Deryck C. 18:34, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is at the intersection of EMOJI and WP:XY, and as the former says anyway, "The outcome is usually deletion if the glyph is unclear, or its meaning is difficult to determine, or there is no consensus on a target." Electric light? Incandescent light bulb? Idea? Whatever it is, emoji as redirects are basically easter eggs to readers, and we shouldn't fuss too much about them. --BDD (talk) 21:21, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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美[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:16, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

We don't need a Wiktionary redirect from a foreign language, they are only used for English terms. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 08:29, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Regarget to CJK Unified Ideographs which is the page that deals with the unicode block this character is part of - all single unicode characters should be blue links, either redirects or articles, as they are very likely search terms. In this case the character can, according to Wiktionary, mean any of several abstract concepts in Chinese (e.g. "beautiful", "to praise, commend"), none of which have any particular affinity with the language. In Japanese it is suffix used by female (and rarely male) given names (according to Japanese name meaning "beauty"), and in Korean means "beautiful" or, as part of compounds, "the USA, the Americas". None of these would make good redirect targets so the Unicode block is best. Thryduulf (talk) 09:29, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't believe this is a good because if I'm understanding the page correctly pretty much any of the 60000+ Han characters in unicode are eligible for redirects in that case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prisencolin (talk • contribs) 06:55, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Beauty. That's what it means. That's what the Japanese and Chinese pages are. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 01:27, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Let's just let the local search engine do its job. -- Tavix (talk) 21:48, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete. Special:Search/美~ shows that there is no exact match of proper nouns and thus no primary topic. Let the search engine do its job. Deryck C. 17:16, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:FORRED there's not specifically affinity of this character to any particular topic.--Prisencolin (talk) 06:55, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Deryck C. Daß Wölf 16:42, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Blue and green planet[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep (non-admin closure) Observing that consensus is not very strong, but a reiteration of this discussion in the future is unlikely to produce a different result unless a notable topic with this name has appeared in the meantime. – Uanfala (talk) 22:18, 15 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No indication that either of these are common names, there is a TV show by this name but is it really a plausible search term? - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:29, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • weak keep. Describing the earth as a blue and green/green and blue is very common and there is no alternative target to point them to as the TV series doesn't have an article. The first of these redirects got regular traffic until the middle of October, but I haven't figured out what led to that change as it doesn't correspond to any change in the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 09:47, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete the TV series isn't notable to appear in News searches. There is a facebook page for Blue Green Planet which is more about some local organizations, and there's a song called Blue On a Green Planet. So hardly anything that warrants its own article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:33, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This is a common colloquial way to refer to Earth. -- Tavix (talk) 02:55, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Weak keep on the basis that we don't actually have any articles on anything else called "blue and green planet", so the Earth is the primary topic. Deryck C. 18:36, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep - While not that common, I'm seeing a lot of places refer to Earth as "the blue and green planet" and such... as long as this is helpful enough, I feel inclined to leave the redirects be. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 14:45, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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C‑SPAN[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 21:14, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if there are Cyrillic characters in this one, but see [5]. I'm not good with other scripts. That did give some weird results, but I don't totally understand. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 04:08, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak keep. No Cyrillic characters here, but the hyphen is U+2011 NON-BREAKING HYPHEN (Champion, if you use Firefox I can recommend installing the free "character identifer" addon) and it is plausible that someone will copy and paste this. Thryduulf (talk) 09:52, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete. I can imagine this been copied and pasted from a word processor. However, it doesn't seem to have happened so far since the redirect was created. I don't think it would be of much use anyway; I've searched for pages which have a hyphen in their name and put this instead, and I got the right page as the first search result 5 times out of 5. In fact, if you replace an en-dash with this in a page title, Wikipedia automatically directs you on the right page. (I suppose we could request this functionality for hyphens too.) Daß Wölf 17:36, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep  Given a choice in writing an article, a non-breaking hyphen would be preferred(?)  Compare:
As for software.hixie.ch mentioned in the op, the website says that the script is not working.  Unscintillating (talk) 01:52, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep or even reverse redirect. Unscintillating has made a good point regarding that a non-breaking hyphen would be appropriate here if this title were part of running text. Deryck C. 17:18, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Ἀνάλυσις[edit]

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The result of the discussion was No consensus. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 16:07, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

This is a Neelix redirect listed in May, and the previous discussion was no consensus. After reading through it I find the delete arguments far more convincing, and think this is worth another discussion. Link to original discussion is here. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:31, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ehh. Someone searching for "Ἀνάλυσις" will find what it means at the target (The word comes from the Ancient Greek ἀνάλυσις (analysis, "a breaking up", from ana- "up, throughout" and lysis "a loosening"), so it's a helpful redirect from that perspective. I'm not that attached to it though, as it's not really being used. -- Tavix (talk) 19:35, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • As far as a I can see, it's not going to make a fig of a difference to the encyclopedia if this gets deleted or kept. I wish no consensus, let's move on was an eligible !vote option. – Uanfala (talk) 12:52, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Shikshanirman[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete as unopposed. Deryck C. 18:12, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at target, and a google search doesn't reveal any association between the two organisations. There used to be an article at this title before, but it got deleted at AfD as not notable. It was later recreated by a member of a sock farm that specialised in bypassing new page patrol. This is also the likely source of the redirect's two incoming links (which I've now removed). – Uanfala (talk) 17:30, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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East Pakistan Coast Guard[edit]

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Potika[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 21:11, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete both. I've categorised some other redirects to this target, mentioned in the lede, as {{R from other language|hr}} (or pl or sk), but these are not listed there, these are not at the target at all, and if we're going to have R's from other languages we should at least say at the target what language it is: otherwise it's WP:RFD#D2 confusing and jsut leading people up the garden path. Not all languages mentioned have had redirects created for them, for the simple expedient that we don't need them. Specific types of this cake are very popular in Hungary, for example, but we don't have Hungarian-language redirects to this target: instead Kalács and Bejgli are linked in the lede and redirect to more-specific articles. Si Trew (talk) 14:36, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep both. The reason to keep them is that those terms are the "native" terms for them in parts of the United States. I originally added the Potiza redirect because I was looking for information on it and did not know that the generic term was a "nut roll", having only heard or seen variations of potiza/potica/potika used throughout my entire life as an English speaker in an English speaking country. Moreover, citing WP:RFD#D2 is specious in this case because the article specifically lists those as the regional names for them. If potiza (or whatever regional spelling is appropriate) was sufficiently different from a nut roll generally, it would warrant it's own article, but that doesn't make sense since it's just a nut roll, hence the redirect to the main article. There's no confusion here--the only confusion would occur if someone was looking for information on potiza/potica/potika (again, terms sufficiently commonly used in an English speaking country) and nothing came up. DNewhall (talk) 20:47, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Putting WP:RFD#D2 confusing is not specious. When a term is not used at the target, a reader not knowing what a potika is finds themselves at "nut roll" thinking right, that's a nut roll, but what's it got to do with a potika? Wiktionary doesn't have that spelling, and Google search results certainly don't favour the idea that it means "nut roll", although www.pinterest.com/pin/211950726187348608/, which was my tenth result, uses it (that means Google thinks nine other things that are not nut rolls are more relevant than this). Dictionary.com doesn't list it. It is perhaps an {{R from incorrect spelling}} but it's certainly not "specious" to say that this was confusing when I was confused by it. I could't find that any language uses this as its spelling or term: it exists in Malagassy, but means something else (particle). It's probably WP:RFD#K5 ("if someone finds it useful, it probably is") but an argument from WP:RFD#D2 confusing, not at target and also WP:RFD#D8 novel or obscure synonym are perfectly reasonable arguments, too. Si Trew (talk) 23:46, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep both. A Google search for "Potika pastry" shows the term used as an alternative title in many English-language recipes, so I think it's a plausible search term. CapitalSasha ~ talk 22:10, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep both. The OED has a relevant entry for potica (pronounced potitsa), so it's a legitimate (if infrequently used) English word. Potika is and potiza are at least reasonable as a misspelling and pronunciation spelling respectively, and if they're attested (as the previous comments suggest) then they should definitely be kept. – Uanfala (talk) 12:39, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Scott Disick[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 21:04, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- redirect created after 4 AFDs w/o being requested as closing admin directed (see here); also see [6] and [7]. Given the animus and odium this individual evokes, with a record of four successful AFDs, this redirect was not handled properly.but rather through obsessive fan manipulation Redirect creator notified on talk page (see [8]). Quis separabit? 04:23, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

According to the AFD discussion, closing admin User:Drmies recommended salting this page name. Did that not happen? Delete as WP:G6, result of a previous discussion. I'll try that now. Si Trew (talk) 14:18, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, the redirect is fully page protected so I can't add the WP:G6. (Probably why it's not tagged with {{rfd}} either.) This will have to be escalated to... somewhere... I don't know where, WP:ANI is probably not the right place. Perhaps an admin reg at RfD, such as User:Thryduulf or User:Tavix, could advise? Si Trew (talk) 14:21, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Si Trew: Note that neither G6 nor G4 speedy deletion are possible here as this has only been previously deleted as an article, the redirect has never been discussed. Thryduulf (talk) 09:00, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note RfD tag now added. Quis separabit?, in future if you cannot add an RfD tag to a nomination you make please note this in your nomination statement and/or make an edit request on the redirect talk page for an admin to do it for you. Thryduulf (talk) 08:57, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refine to Kourtney Kardashian#Personal life and keep protected. The nomination and comments above have some significant inaccuracies. Firstly, Drmies did salt the page after the most recent RfD, see the log entries for 24 June 2005. The following day, user:Anna Frodesiak left a message on Drmies' talk page asking about whether to make it into a redirect, Drmies stated they had no objection and so AF created the redirect (as an administrator they were able to do this despite the page being salted), very helpfully linking to the request on Drmies talk page (Quis separabit? - it is always a good idea to look at the history of a redirect before nominating it). Just under 9 hours after the redirect was created, user:JohnCD fully protected it, and it has remained that way since.
    The consensus of the second AfD was to delete and redirect to Kourtney Kardashian#Personal life, which is where Mr Disick is discusse, and I propose that we refine the redirect to point there. The redirect got over 74,000 hits in November, which almost certainly puts it in the top 1% most visited redirects, so it is unarguable that this is something people are looking for and the history of recreation also backs this up. I can find no evidence of any other person with this name who is mentioned on Wikipedia - indeed it's difficult to find anybody else with this name on google, so there is no question the target is correct. Thryduulf (talk) 08:57, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Thryduulf, @Si Trew (and any others concerned) - I apologize. I read @Drmies comments/instructions at the last AFD (there were 4 altogether!!) and it appeared that he indicated any Disick redirect would require an official request for redirect. I apologize for my misunderstanding. Quis separabit? 02:58, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No need to apologise to me, but thanks all the same. Si Trew (talk) 02:19, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep redirect as-is The clear AFD decision was a salted rd, which has been done and respected. No objections to retaining it; the subject hasn't attained any new WP:N to warrant an article and the stats for the RD show it should be kept. Nate • (chatter) 05:55, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Disick is discussed in about as much depth as he deserves at the target article. The redirect guides our readers to the most relevant content about him, so it's useful from that perspective. -- Tavix (talk) 17:13, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refine to Kourtney Kardashian#Personal life and keep protected. I think that we have a reasonable consensus of what to do, so we ought to just go ahead and do it. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:34, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Bitchuu Kojiro Station[edit]

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The result of the discussion was No consensus. Closing this instead of relisting since I do not see clearer consensus forming after a relist at this point. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 20:00, 16 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(eubot). This one's been bugging me for a while but I better list it. Ive tried to find whether "uu" is a reasonable transliteration for "ū", I only did basic Japanese for a couple of years, and so I didn't do this kind of transliteration, I only did kana and stuff and vocab. From those basics it seems unlikely to me but it's probably OK, just not many English words end in "uu". (muumuu does, but that's Hawaiian.) Si Trew (talk) 00:15, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • “Uu” is certainly a reasonable rendition of “ū” (e.g. Hirunaka no Ryuusei). It is odd, however, to render “ū” as “uu” but “ō” as “o”, as this redirect does. Gorobay (talk) 19:07, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd say delete. If we're writing "ū" as "uu", we should be writing "ō" as "ou" or "oo". Eubot sure made a strange choice here. Daß Wölf 23:29, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. It's a very valid and often used way to write ū. It is not odd in the least, and it is not unlikely. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:54, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It's kind of weird that it romanizes ū to uu but not ō to ou. You either do both as in Bitchuu-Koujirou Station or Bitchuu-Koujiro Station if the diacritic only applies to the first o in Kojiro. Or neither as in Bitchu-Kojiro Station. Unless there's a book or an actual placard/sign that mixes this up? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:30, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. It's a good redirect per WP:R#KEEP 2, 3 (and 5). Someone may sooner or later write it like this on Wiki. --Moscow Connection (talk) 12:57, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Why would they do that? What would they do if they wrote it that way and found it was red? As for WP:RFD#K2, in my opinion we don't need that kind of accidental linking, in general, as it just makes articles worse (spell it right in the article in the first place): K2 largely applies for frequent misspellings, and considering that this has had two hits in the ninety days before this discussion, it's not frequent. I can't see that WP:RFD#D3 is very strong since a search is likely to find it whether there's a redirect or not, and WP:RFD#K5 has not been demonstrated, nobody here has said they find it useful, and if a mere creation is deemed to mean someone finds it useful – someone on this occasion being a bot – then we might as well shut up shop. And arguing "I find it useful because of WP:RFD#K5" – not that anyone has – would be rather circular. Si Trew (talk) 11:30, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete, inconsistent romanization (assuming the precedent comments are correct, I do not know), and per Si Trew's comments above. Nabla (talk) 11:58, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep per Nihonjoe. If "uu" does commonly show up in romanizations, while there's no equivalent double vowel romanization AFAIK for "o", the it would be plausible to double the "u" but just drop the macron on the "o".. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:10, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • But there is an equivalent double vowel romanization for “ō”, viz. “ou” or “oo”. Gorobay (talk) 15:32, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
In terms of how well known it is though? Anecdotally, it would seem that the "uu" appears more often. Don't see the harm in keeping these redirects even if it does mix transliterations. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:46, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t know what anecdotes you read, but “uu” and “ou” are definitely part of the same romanization system. If you know one, you know the other. Gorobay (talk) 21:18, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That's...not what anecdotes are. I meant that it seems more common to see "uu" than "ou", maybe because the former is more immediately recognizable as a romanization and not just the diacritic-less romanji. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:41, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per SiTrew's reasoning and the fact that this redirect somewhat implausibly mixes romanisations and does not see much use. – Uanfala (talk) 11:36, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as inconsistent transcription. If the long u is expanded as uu, the long o ought to be expanded into ou or oo too. Pinging Nihonjoe who is more fluent in Japanese than I - Can you confirm that you're aware of this discrepancy and want to keep the redirect anyway? Deryck C. 18:16, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for now, pending further discussion over all/most redirects to the station. If the argument for deletion is inconsistency, it's also inconsistent to delete just this redirect when there are other redirects that would have the same problem. Ultimately, this redirect is harmless and there's an argument that it's valid, so that's good enough for me. -- Tavix (talk) 16:15, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Second Cataclysm[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Cadillacs and Dinosaurs: The Second Cataclysm. I haven't hatnoted just because I'm not sure exactly how to phrase it, given the term's absence from the Dragonlance novel, but others are welcome to add one. --BDD (talk) 20:58, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
note: I put a note about needing step 1 done at Talk:Second Cataclysm if anyone wants to do that, can't due to a ban on redirect-editing.

I would either like to re-target this to Cadillacs and Dinosaurs: The Second Cataclysm or else have it changed into a disambiguation page if we can prove it has any relevance to the "Dragons of Summer Flame" novel in the Dragonlance series. I'm not sure if this was a phrase used in the book or not, but the phrase is not mentioned at the article. User:DoomsDay349 originally pointed it at Chaos War in 2006 and a robot changed it in 2012 due to that now pointing to the DOSF page. I'm a little confused at how this happened since CW was an article about a Marvel Comics event since 2010 but maybe it got moved sometime overtop of something else previously there? Maybe only a mod could answer that... where is the page history of Chaos War from 2006 to 2009? If it was over-wrote could we possibly restore it to Chaos War (Dragonlance) so it's viewable but then redirect that to Dragons of Summer Flame? That way the history of DL's CW could be checked to see if it uses the phrase Second Cataclysm anywhere, and if so, which books it is derived from.

I am wagering on disambiguation page because I do notice that while DOSF doesn't use the SC phrase, the Prisoner of Haven article mentions "It is set in the year 421 AC (After Cataclysm), also known as 38 SC (Second Cataclysm)." in the opening.

Since there is not a chaos war article for Dragonlance anymore, I think a disambig could serve not just to mention the Cadillacs and Dinosaurs game, but also to explain whatever it means in respect to the dragonlance novels, rather than directing to the article of just 1 book which doesn't even explain it. Ranze (talk) 10:34, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Toby Onwumere[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:35, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Articles for actors should not be redirected to a singular article of their works, as they take part in multiple works. Alex|The|Whovian? 05:56, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and delist redlink. Sounds like a WP:TOOSOON case for Onwumere. Toby isn't strongly associated with only this part for his entire career. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:22, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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A.V. Software[edit]

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Domates[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:34, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RFOREIGN no significant affinity for Turkish. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 03:56, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. Only use in media seems to be for Turkish magazines and books, and not an English translated one that refers to that in the culture. I was thinking it could be a possible attempt to sell dolmades though. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:55, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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A sandwich[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete without prejudice against creating new redirects to items with these titles as their proper names. Deryck C. 18:18, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Per the precedents of redirects of this kind, nobody will search for this unless there is a topic with this exact name as an alternative name for something that already has an article, then retarget there, but this is implausible. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 03:43, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. Also very common words that should not attract redirects. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:56, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete both - I also don't think that these are useful. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 10:48, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, no point of these. CapitalSasha ~ talk 22:11, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • When I created these redirects, they were at listed at WP:TOPRED (meaning they had 1000+ views). But now, they only have a few views. That's rather odd, to say the least: Perhaps some buggy bot was responsible for all those views. I suppose I'll vote Weak Keep, but I don't think it really matters if we keep these or not. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 13:08, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or retarget. On second thought, I think Champion's right. "A sandwich" (for example) should point to something who's proper name is "A sandwich", it shouldn't just point to an article about sandwiches. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 03:15, 7 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Chocolate crust[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 January 13#Chocolate crust

Niyog[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 January 13#Niyog

Niyok[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:30, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if this is a valid name in any language, Google translate does not help, mostly get results for a character in some video game, not sure if notable (I highly doubt it, though). - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 03:26, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It does appear as a local-language term for "coconut" in texts that have to do with Guam [9] – but that's deletable as a standard WP:RFOREIGN. – Uanfala (talk) 14:37, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Purple bananas[edit]

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Ndisi[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:17, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not related to whatever language this is, but from my little bit of research, this isn't a word in any language, but there is an article on the Swedish Wikipedia about a town in the Congo with this name, so perhaps a WP:REDLINK deletion, people looking for that would be mislead. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 03:20, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per WP:RFOREIGN (reminds me of ndizi, the Swahili word for "banana"). A redlink could encourage the creation of an article either about the Congolese town, or some of the wonderfully obscure things that come up in a google search [10]. – Uanfala (talk) 14:44, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:39, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I created this redirect in 2007, conflating the Swahili word ndizi with ensete. It is a mistake and I have no attachment to it. By some bizarre coincidence I was just revisiting this line of thought (i.e. looking up *ndisi, realizing it was a misspelling of ndizi, and that the word I actually wanted was ensete) just yesterday or the day before, but had no memory of setting up this ill-begotten redirect. --Iustinus (talk) 23:17, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Apples and teachers[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete.---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 04:16, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:XY. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 03:13, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete no need for this redirect. XY also applies here. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:30, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. No specific article that addresses this combination. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:38, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Apples and teachers are actually a notable combination (see e.g. [11]) but the only thing we have on Wikipedia that I can find is a single entry at Apple (sybolism)#Legends, folklore, and traditions but that section needs significant cleanup (I'm about to add a tag), the entry is not obvious and doesn't significantly educate readers anyway so at present there is no suitable target for this. Thryduulf (talk) 21:11, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per the above CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 10:47, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, pointless. CapitalSasha ~ talk 22:11, 4 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Green apples[edit]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate—absent specific suggestions of which title should be the dab page, I've done it at Green Apple, with the others retargeting there. --BDD (talk) 16:25, 12 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This set is in a mess right now, there are multiple green apples other than Granny Smith, e.g. Michelin (apple) etc, I am happy with any outcome except keeping these. FYI, there are certain tracks in albums with some of these names as well, so maybe a dab page. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 03:06, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Granny Smith as primary topic. Create dab page for the apple cultivars, Green Apple Books & Music, and Mrs. Green Apple, Green Apple Festival (music festival). AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:46, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate. I'm not seeing any evidence for a primary topic, nor that granny smith is the primary topic for even just green apple cultivars. Thryduulf (talk) 21:23, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm okay with listing Granny Smith as a notable example of green apples, instead of the synonymous green apple. It's a scent used in those related products, and also the common name for Granny Smith in food dishes. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 03:54, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dabify seems to be the best course of action per AngusWOOF's findings of other similarly named articles --Lenticel (talk) 00:40, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Toowoomba Chronicle and and Darling Downs Gazette[edit]

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete per WP:CSD#G6. Thryduulf (talk) 21:25, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please delete as double "and" is an apparent typo. It is an implausible term for searching and has now been replaced by a move to a re-direct page without the double "and" typo to The Toowoomba Chronicle. Loopy30 (talk) 02:57, 2 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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