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Do wikipedia allow incomplete sentence like this?

Here sentence ends with "and" with no period.

• Kingfisher replaced the Deccan brand with Kingfisher Red in August 2008 and

Do wikipedia allow incomplete sentence like this? Rizosome (talk) 04:09, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Rizosome: No, I have reverted the incorrect edit. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:21, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

GoingBatty It has good article badge on it, why did you edit it? Rizosome (talk) 04:42, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Rizosome: Because someone made an incorrect edit and you chose to report it instead of fixing it yourself. Editors may edit any article - even Wikipedia:Good articles - to make them better (presuming the article is not temporarily protected). GoingBatty (talk) 04:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Good articles are not perfect articles. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:43, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Pritchy the Black Rose

PRITCHY THE BLACK ROSE

Pritchy the black rose is an upcoming rapper with a outstanding bars coming 0up in the city of Gweru.He was born in 1998 February. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pritch the black Rose (talk • contribs) 06:06, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Pritch the black Rose: You’re going to have a hard time getting an article approved without significant media coverage of him. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

"Upcoming" is going to be a problem. Please see Wikipedia:UPCOMING.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:10, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Is my first edit acceptable?

I edited this article. Is my first edit acceptable? I never done this before. Rizosome (talk) 06:34, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello Rizosome. Yes it is. SenatorLEVI 06:35, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I need help finding a freely licensed image

 Courtesy link: Dancing Gabe

Can someone help me find a freely licensed or public domain picture of dancing gabe so I can upload to Wikimedia commons for his article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikieditor6557 (talk • contribs) 06:47, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Wikieditor6557: have a look at the Free Image Search Tool, or on Flickr (make sure your search is set to "Commercial use & mods allowed"). Or maybe try c:Commons:Picture requests (that may take ages to get a response, though). Seagull123 Φ 19:25, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Seagull123: if the image is freely licensed does that mean nobody can copyright the image? Also when you say “(make sure your search is set to commercial use and mods only)” are you talking about on Flickr or the free image tool?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikieditor6557 (talk • contribs) 19:53, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Wikieditor6657: freely licensed means that the person who took the photo/created the image owns the copyright still, but has licensed it with a licence (such as a Creative Commons one) which allows anyone to use it for (almost) any purpose. And sorry for not being clear with my previous reply: by "make sure your search is set to commercial use and mods only", I mean when you search on Flickr, as this shows images which have licences that are compatible with Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons. For more help with images, you may want to visit c:Help:Contents, Wikipedia:Media copyright questions, or Help:Introduction to images with Wiki Markup. Seagull123 Φ 14:52, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Impact factor

Reference help requested. I received an alert on a mistake I made, but I do not know exactly how to fix it. Can you help me correct my mistake? Thanks, Floren — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fcabello (talk • contribs) 10:13, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Fcabello: You don't need to worry about this. The alert message is dated 23 November 2015, over five years ago, and the error was fixed a few days later by another editor. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:22, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism help request from Ds7717

I have noticed some vandalism at Equal Pay Day. Namely, various numbers have been changed or removed and the first line of the page has been changed. Due to this last change the page preview currently just says “Useless”. Additionally, the page also seems a bit outdated; International Equal Pay Day is now an official UN observance that is celebrated on 18 September.

Would an editor please assist me with fixing it? Thank you, Ds7717 (talk) 10:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Ds7717: An editor has reverted the vandalism. I have updated the lead and added the United Nations.[1] PrimeHunter (talk) 11:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Upload page to Wikipedia

Hi I created a new page for a local author and I’m new and not sure if it’s gone live yet or what I’m doing wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Coogiemonster/Sample_page

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Coogiemonster (talk • contribs) 11:31, 19 January 2021 (UTC) 

Coogiemonster It is "live" in that it is visible to those who know to look for it, but it is not formally part of the encyclopedia. New users cannot directly create articles and must submit drafts using Articles for Creation; if you were to submit your draft, however, it would be rejected, as you only have two sources both of which seem to be routine descriptions of the person you are writing about. Wikipedia requires significant coverage in multiple published independent reliable sources, showing how the subject meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person, in order for a person to merit a Wikipedia article. I would suggest that you use the new user tutorial and review Your First Article to learn more about Wikipedia before further work on your draft. 331dot (talk) 11:47, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Please get back the original version of Reign of X

Hi, I’m sorry but I am new to Wikipedia editing and I accidentally redirected a post from earlier today. When the redirection page came up there was none of the information from the original page there. I know that many people spent hours towards the page that I have now supposedly deleted. I can’t seem to delete the redirects and I’m started to get worried. The (now redirected) page is called Reign of X — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.33.26.115 (talk) 11:38, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Something went wrong but it wasn't your fault. I have sorted it out. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:31, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Emile Gouws

Good day,

How do I go about to get a persons details on Wikipedia. I have put details on but can't find the person when searching for him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mieliemeel93

Kind regardsMieliemeel93 (talk) 13:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Mieliemee193. I think that you have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. It's not like social media that you "put up a person's details": it is an encyclopaedia, which contains carefully written and neutral articles about notable subjects, based almost entirely on published reliable sources. What you have done is written about somebody on your user page: which, though it is visible to anybody who goes looking for it, will never be indexed by search engines, because it is not part of the encyclopaedia. If you can find reliable independent sources to show that Gouws meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then you may try writing an article about him (based entirely on what those sources say, not on what you happen to know about him). But be aware that writing a new article is one of the hardest tasks there is for inexperienced editors: I suggest you put that to one side for a few months, and learn how Wikipedia works by taking The Wikipedia Adventure, and then improving some of our six million existing articles that interest you. When you understand about notability, and sources, then you can read your first article, and have a go at creating a draft.

I should also say that if you are connected with Gouws, you should read about editing with a conflict of interest. If you are Emile Gouws, then you should not write the article at all: autobiography is strongly discouraged.

All the blue links in my answer point to pages with policies and procedures that you should read if you wish to continue. --ColinFine (talk) 14:44, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Repinging Mieliemeel93 (I got your user name wrong above). I have put some helpful links on your user talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 14:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Is there a feature for personalization?

Hello Wikipedia users,

Do any of you know if there is a customized feature for a personalized home page with details on your recent articles viewed, articles you might be interested in, etc.? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burgermachine74 (talk • contribs) 13:50, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Burgermachine74. You can edit your user page to put anything you like on there, consistent withy the policy in WP:UPYES. Some people put a very short biography. Many people user userboxes to say some things about themselves and their interests. Many people list the articles they have made significant contributions to. Other editors choose not to have user pages at all. It's up to you. --ColinFine (talk) 14:03, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Uploading Image - Movie Poster

I have to be missing something here. I know I have read through the wikimedia commons a handful of times but if I am grabbing a movie poster from say IMdb or Full Moon features site what do I need to select in order for it to not be deleted? I have seen other images uploaded from that those sites with no problem. Am I missing a step somewhere? I know I do not own creative rights to it and I am not trying to use it for any sort of gain. I am just trying to essentially advertise for them by adding a page that has not yet been created for the movie. Mutant_hunt.jpg is my image in question. Sorry if this has been asked before. Thank you! SeanRMull (talk) 14:00, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello. Since movie posters and the like are not free but rather fair use, you have to upload them onto Wikipedia, not Commons. So when you upload an image at Wikipedia:File_Upload_Wizard, choose to upload it locally (not the big blue button). That is the big issue - see Wikipedia:Non-free content for more details. Look at the cover art for a major film for help on how to proceed (i.e., what criteria they use for inclusion.). But the one thing that will get it deleted without fail is uploading it to commons - that is for free works only. ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia ^talk 14:33, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@SeanRMull: Fair-use images are only allowed to upload for use in encyclopedia articles satisfying fair-use criteria. They are not allowed in drafts so you have to wait to see if a draft is accepted. I have removed the image from Draft:Mutant Hunt (1987 film). PrimeHunter (talk) 15:38, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Review a particular page.

Your page on the January 6th events at the Capitol contains errors. The worst is a false premise about violence. It reads like a one sided political commentary and not a statement of facts. Then you locked it. This is pathetic. Stop increasing the rhetoric and problems, and pull the bs from your site. We cannot advance past this as a society of you don't stop fueling flames with this bs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7081:3240:500:F47B:BE28:C6A5:A90 (talk) 15:35, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

If you have suggestions for improving an article, the best step is to start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 15:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

You can post specific suggestions with reliable sources to Talk:2021 storming of the United States Capitol, but note there is already 1.5 MB of discussions in the talk page and its archives. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:50, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Should discussion on whether an article should go on a template occur on the template’s talk page or the article’s talk page?

We’re having a bit of a dispute over this and so I would like clarification. The other user had started a discussion on the template’s talk page in which they were the only participant and so got to decide the outcome. I objected after it had closed, saying it should probably go on the article’s talk page; however, the other user said if I attempted to move the discussion there, it would constitute “canvassing and forum shopping”. They expressed sympathy for me, and was like hey I don’t make the rules.

Please see below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Beneficii#Canvassing_and_forum_shopping_is_not_allowed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Coup_d%27état#2021_USA_coup

-—Beneficii (talk) 16:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Beneficii: on which article would you like this discussion to take place? What is the other user trying to change? Typically, asking to reopen a discussion isn't canvassing. Usually, if an editor wants to change an article they make the request on the talk page, or put a notification and link to the discussion on the talk page. I'm pinging @Vanny089: so that they can join the conversation if they want. Z1720 (talk) 21:39, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

It’s about whether to add https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol to the coup templates. They were on the templates originally. However, the user in question started a discussion on one if the template talk pages (linked above) saying the article should be removed. As no one else responded, probably because hardly anybody ever goes to the template talk pages, the user closed the discussion.

What I want to know is, is it OK to move the discussion to the article talk page, which gets a lot more traffic (and as far as I know it’s not biased in any one direction), or would that be “canvassing and forum shopping” and get me in trouble. As the other user suggested it would get me in trouble, I don’t know what to do.—Beneficii (talk) 21:59, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Beneficii: I am not an admin, but I did ask around and got some opinions from editors that I respect. This process took a while, and I did a lot of thinking about this, which is why this response is delayed. Unfortunately, what I post below is advice, not a definitive answer to your question.

I would not move the discussion to Talk:2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol. The discussion is about the template, and it's best to keep discussions about the template in one place. However, I support putting a Template:Please see notice on "Talk:2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol". According to WP:CANVASSING, Canvassing is notification done with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion in a particular way. On "Talk:2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol" there is a discussion on whether the event was an insurrection or a coup, and opinions seem pretty evenly split. I interpret the discussion on Template talk:Coup d'état to be trying to answer the same insurrection vs coup question. These topics are connected together and editors in one discussion will probably want to know and comment about the discussion on the other. Since Talk:2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol is pretty evenly split on how to define the event, I do not see how posting a "Template:Please see" notice is trying to influence the outcome, and thus not considered canvassing.

I am also interested to see how other editors might comment on this question and would wait for more responses before posting a notice. Afterall, there is no deadline on Wikipedia. Z1720 (talk) 23:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Deleted page (Draft:Rainbowfatface)

On 23:56, 4 January 2018, a draft for an article for creation titled "Rainbowfatface" was deleted. This draft was created by me, under the IP "24.42.211.156" . If there's any way for you to show me the contents of the article, that would be great. Rainbowfatface is not notable enough to be a wikipedia article, but I want to see what I wrote on the article. If you can do anything, please let me know (edited bc i accidentally put an email address)

I just want to see what I put in the article (I dont remember since it was 2 years ago).

24.96.211.178 (talk) 16:57, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. The deletion log for the draft says:

2018-07-05T18:24:16 Boson talk contribs deleted page Draft:Rainbowfatface (G13: Abandoned draft or AfC submission – If you wish to retrieve it, please see WP:REFUND/G13 (TW))

Does that tell you what you need to do? --ColinFine (talk) 19:09, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

New page

Hi

to be able to create an page, how many edits must be made and how many days must the account exist?

I have an account in the german wiki i already have more edits can i use it to create an page in the english wiki?--Edthown (talk) 17:05, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Edthown, once you are autoconfirmed, "accounts that are at least 4 days old and have made at least 10 edits to the encyclopedia" - see Help:Your first article ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 17:16, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Edthown:(edit conflict) Hello and Welcome to the english Wikipedia. First of all, yes, you can use the same account here on the english Wikipedia. As for new articles, while you need WP:AUTOCONFIRMED rights to directly post in mainspace, you can always use [[Help:Draft|the draft namspace, and I strongely recommend it, even if you no longer technically need it. Please be aware that the english Wikipedia might have different rules than the english Wikipedia. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:21, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Trying to fix protected page

Hello, I saw a small mistake on this (MF_Doom) website, and would like permission to change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:240:4B80:5500:BC0B:BDC1:28ED:7B3B (talk) 18:50, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Please make an edit request on the article talk page, Talk:MF Doom. 331dot (talk) 18:55, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

list of french municipalities

is a list that collects ALL French municipalities encyclopedic? And is the same true for all other municipalities in all other countries?--Hdiddan (talk) 19:00, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hdiddan I'll turn your question around. How is it not encyclopedic to have a single article with French municipalities on it? We have many such articles, and not just about municipalities. 331dot (talk) 19:03, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@331dot: thank you for the answer. I asked this question because on itwiki the lists are not much loved, but I see that here it is the reverse. That's why I like enwiki :)--Hdiddan (talk) 19:12, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Hdiddan: Assuming you mean Communes of France, there are around 37,000. I don't think 331dot expected that. I find it unlikely that a single list would be allowed to stay. We already have Lists of communes of France, Category:Lists of communes of France and {{Communes of France}} to help navigation between more manageable lists by department. The largest page at Special:LongPages is currently 515,256 bytes. A list of all French communes would be much larger. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:24, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Gazau

Gazau is a town located in isa local government sokoto state — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tujjaniau (talk • contribs) 20:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Tujjaniau, did you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:04, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hatnotes

In the article "Reading" this line does not appear in the correct order on my iPhone. It appears after the first line of the article.

For the town in England, see Reading, Berkshire. For other uses, see Help desk/Archives/2021 January 19 (disambiguation).

Is there a way to fix that? John NH (talk) 21:01, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

It works on my iPhone. Please quote the text you see above the line. The first line of the article is: "Reading is the process of receiving or taking in the sense or meaning of letters, symbols, etc., especially by sight or touch." Is that it? I see it below the line. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:48, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Jnhmunro: Also say whether you are viewing the mobile or desktop version on the iPhone, or using a Wikipedia app. You can switch between mobile and desktop at the bottom of pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Jnhmunro: Quick question, are you using the Wikipedia app? I'm using an Android phone, and the hatnote is appearing after the lede's first paragraph for me as well when I was use the app, but not when I view it through my phone's Chrome browser (where it appears above that paragraph). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:56, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I concur, Tenryuu, and Jnhmunro. I suspect it is because the template {{reading}} (which generates the navigation box) is above the hatnotes, contrary to WP:HNP. I have corrected this - so far the display hasn't changed on my phone, but I suspect this is a caching issue. --ColinFine (talk) 22:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't suppose there's a way to purge on the mobile app, is there? I haven't seen a button for it in any menu on an article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for trying. Yes I am using the Wikipedia app. I just replaced the app on my iPhone, but the first line "Reading is the process..." still appears above the Hatnotes. It's not a big deal, but as you know, the hatnotes should be the first things our readers see.John NH (talk) 01:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Ludington, Michigan

How can I get this page semi-protected? See article Talk. Thanks. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 21:19, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Doug Coldwell: You can request it at WP:RFPP RudolfRed (talk) 21:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I need help seeing if I properly uploaded a photo

I need help verifying that Dancing Gabe image on his Wikipedia page properly shows the license and that I’m not missing anything in the file. If someone could help me please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikieditor6557 (talk • contribs) 21:53, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I need help editing a image file

For some reason when on the Dancing Gabe image file DancingGabe.jpg it doesn’t expand on the licensing. I put that the work is under a Creative Commons license but it doesn’t tell people what they can do and can’t do with the image on the file. Most files I have seen do this. Can someone explain how to fix it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikieditor6557 (talk • contribs) 22:51, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

The licensing looks right to me, Wikieditor6557. The image is licensed at Flickr by CC-BY 2.0, the File description correctly reports this licence, and commons:commons:licensing lists that licence as acceptable. The only thing you could have done better is to upload it to Commons rather than Wikipedia, so that other projects (in particular, other language editions of Wikipedia) could use it. (Only free images may be uploaded to Commons). There is a button at the top of the description page to export it to Commons. --ColinFine (talk) 22:56, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Seeking the status of an article that I submitted in November

Dear Help Desk,

Back in November, I submitted an article for consideration titled "Giorgio Bertellini." The article was never published on Wikipedia and I have not heard from Wikipedia why they chose not to publish it. I would be happy to resubmit the article for consideration. Please respond so that I know what the next steps should be.

Sincerely,

Kenneth Garner, Ph.D. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Michiken1970 (talk • contribs) 22:55, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Michiken1970. Your draft is sitting in your sandbox, User:Michiken1970/sandbox, where you left it. Since you never submitted it for review, nobody has done anything with it - probably nobody has looked at it. I have added a header that will allow you to submit it; but if you do so now, it will certainly be declined as it has no references. A Wikipedia article must include references to reliable indpendent sources about the subject, and those sources must together establish that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Please read WP:REFB. --ColinFine (talk) 23:02, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Michiken1970: The draft at User:Michiken1970/sandbox has not been submitted for review. When it is ready, you may submit it using the blue button at the top of the page. At the very least, you need to add references. I suggest you read through WP:YFA which will show all the steps needed to create a draft, and then submit it. RudolfRed (talk) 23:02, 19 January 2021 (UTC)