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The result was Speedy keep. I withdrew the submission. (non-admin closure) AmericanAir88^(talk) 18:07, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

'n Schot in de Roos[edit]

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Fails WP:FILM and has no coverage. AmericanAir88^(talk) 18:06, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WITHDRAWN. AmericanAir88^(talk) 18:07, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. – Joe (talk) 07:00, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Raaber[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. No significant coverage in reliable independent sources. Only primary and WP:ROUTINE coverage HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:30, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I cannot find anything in English sources. The one Japanese one is WP:PRIMARY. I do not know if there are potentially some out there in other languages though based on his time in Japan and Europe. - Galatz גאליץ ^{שיחה Talk} 01:50, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. It looks like the top 4 Austrian newspapers, between them, have mentioned Raaber a total of 3 times. Two appearances are trivial; he is mentioned in passing as one of several wrestlers in an event lineup (Presse, 6 July 2017 and 24 April 2018). The third appearance is a charity event announcement (SN, 3 March 2017). This guy is clearly not a legitimate celebrity, not even locally. On the other hand, there is an interview with Raaber in a 2009 issue of Profil, a distinguished political magazine, and a short biography of sorts in a 2015 art book (Peternel and Peternell, Who the Fuck is Alice?, Kein & Aber). I guess that means he technically meets GNG, having received significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Damvile (talk) 01:52, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The "short biography" is a single paragraph, 120 words long. I think it's a stretch to refer to this as "significant coverage." Even if we accept the paragraph as significant, we currently have significant coverage from a grand total of 2 (two) independent sources, which means we'd be stretching the definition of "multiple" too. Kramler (talk) 12:49, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Regarding "significant", a mention isn't significant if it's long, it's significant if it's not trivial. A mention is trivial if it's unconscious and/or automatic and/or unavoidable. When Raaber appears on a list of wrestlers appearing in some wrestling event, that's a trivial mention because his inclusion does not prove the author of the list has given Raaber any thought, considers Raaber interesting, or would have remembered Raaber's name the next day. When a writer makes the conscious choice to include Raaber in a book in which his appearance is not obvious, then this is evidence of Raaber having been noted, i.e. being notable. Regarding "multiple", it has always been policy that 2 sources can be enough, especially if the subject is geographically or recentism-istically disadvantaged, which is the case for Raaber. Lastly, Raaber has had a 90-minute movie made about him. Assuming you don't want to argue that a 90-minute movie is insignificant, that brings the number of sources up to 3. Damvile (talk) 01:20, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) KCVelaga (talk) 02:57, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kidnapping of Amber Swartz–Garcia[edit]

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Wikipedia is not a directory of crimes or anything else. This is a two sentence article on an event 30 years ago that's unlikely to get any more coverage to permit anything longer. Guy (Help!) 20:17, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Wikipedia is not news. » Shadowowl | talk 20:44, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This article should not be evaluated on its current two sentence length. The article was kept at an AfD debate in April of this year where the consensus was to keep. That debate brought forward many sources that can be used to expand the article. There has been ongoing coverage of this kidnapping in reliable sources for 30 years. The San Francisco Chronicle, for example, is not Pinole's local newspaper, but is instead the dominant regional newspaper for Northern California. The Chronicle has published at least 66 stories about this case over the past three decades. Consider this story about the impact of the kidnapping on her family and this story about the man who confessed to the kidnapping and murder. Both stories were published many years after the kidnapping. Ongoing coverage is not limited to the Chronicle and a reading of the April AfD debate will lead editors to many other sources that can be used to expand the article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:48, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I was notified on my TP as a former AfD participant (but I would have !voted anyway - I vote on almost all AfDs in the crime delsort). Ahould not have been nominated so close to previous keep. I will just repeat my previous comment : Significant WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. 1989 1998 2000 2002 2009 2009 2013 2013 2013 2015 2016. books - [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11]. Seems early coverage is primarily as "Amber Swartz" (and that Garcia was tacked on at some later date - per this rather in-depth piece - her father Bernie Swartz was murdered a few months prior to her birth and her mother lived with Al Garcia but did not marry him due to police pension issues) - and that this was a nationwide photograph item in 1988... We judge NCRIME by coverage, and this specific kidnapping has very wide and continuing coverage. Icewhiz (talk) 03:38, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep – This stub article is notable on its face, and there are many online and offline references to build it out. That being said, it currently passes muster as a stub. Having fun! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 03:44, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note I have expanded the article significantly and added several references. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:49, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep, Well sourced and well worthy of inclusion. Davidgoodheart (talk) 06:28, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Article appears to be improved, with sufficient amount of reliable sources. Omgwtfbbqsomethingrandom (talk) 06:43, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY. —SerialNumber54129^{paranoia /cheap sh*t room} 09:14, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 10:13, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY. Enough already. BabbaQ (talk) 21:22, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:HEY, atop the clear KEEP earlier this year. E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:38, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, sources are reliable ones that demonstrate notability outside the immediate vicinity of where it happened. Daniel Case (talk) 02:18, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep since the article is properly sourced. Knightrises10 (talk) 18:31, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Although the head count is roughly equal, a clear consensus to delete emerged in the second half of the discussion. – Joe (talk) 07:02, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Zhao Jing (volleyball)[edit]

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Single secondary source, mostly filled with quotes from the subject. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 08:11, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment per Wikipedia:Notability (sports), played in international tournament, with reliable secondary source. Marthadandridge (talk) 18:34, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I mentioned nothing about Notability being an issue. My problem is the sourcing. A single source, which uses many many primary quotes, reduces it's reliability as an independent source. Of course google translate can only go so far... -- Amanda (aka DQ) 18:51, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Single source is a tag, not a rationale for deletion. FIVB is independent of the subject, and is reliable. deletion is not an quality improvement process. Marthadandridge (talk) 15:51, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: verifiably international player. PamD 18:12, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lack of coverage in sources, difficult to argue notability given the paucity of sources. W C M_email 13:33, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Unfortunately, volleyball isn't covered under WP:NSPORT, but it seems most sports count a player on a national team which has competed at an international level or participated in an international tournament - including the Olympics - as notable. Why not just tag the article with any of these instead of putting it at AfD? originalmess^{how u doin that busta rhyme?} 14:19, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. WP:AFD is not cleanup. I agree that the current state of sourcing of the article is bad but she played in an international tournament, with RS. L293D (☎ • ✎) 15:14, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep has played for the national team. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 19:52, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep given sourced international competition. Ralbegen (talk) 19:17, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Given evidence presented below. Ralbegen (talk) 20:34, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Closer Query - I'm wondering if there are two sourcing issues here. One is that GNG takes precedence over NSPORT (which merely offers quick and ready aids) and that GNG wouldn't seem to be satisfied. The other is that even if that weren't the case, can NSPORT be expanded (albeit reasonably) in such an ad hoc fashion, or does its absence mean GNG is the only notability issue to arise? Nosebagbear (talk) 12:15, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep participation in an olympics as verified in this article is usually sufficient for inclusion as it is expected that Olympians receive significant coverage offline if not online, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 18:16, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

User:Atlantic306 Did you verify the source? She never played in the 2004 Olympics, see Volleyball at the 2004 Summer Olympics – Women's team rosters. She was indeed on the 18-player roster (2004_FIVB_World_Grand_Prix_squads), but not on the 12-player Olympic roster. The article says "She participated int the 2004 Summer Olympics qualifying tournament." but China qualified in 2003 and did not participate at all in the 2004 FIVB Women's World Olympic Qualification Tournament. Timmyshin (talk) 19:55, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In that case have struck my keep vote!, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 11:35, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

User:PamD User:Originalmess User:Ralbegen User:Editorofthewiki User:L293D Please back up your statements with facts. Just because her name is on a roster doesn't mean she appeared in any games. If you believe she played for China please tell us which game. Timmyshin (talk) 20:09, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural Keep as nomination does not specify a valid reason for deletion (Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion). Bakazaka (talk) 22:05, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That wouldn't hold up so long as anyone since has posed a deletion reason, which they have. Nosebagbear (talk) 22:15, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete despite being on the 18-person roster for the 2004 FIVB Volleyball World Grand Prix, I don't see evidence she appears in a match; WP:NSPORT is not met. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:04, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete ~~Comment~~ I agree with User:power~enwiki being in a roster doesnt make notable. Just being in the team for Olympic Qualifier isnt notable either. --DBig Xrayᗙ 12:11, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
CommentThis is what a google search in Chinese sources yields on Zhao Jing (volleyball). Haven't had the time to look through the search results to see if she meets WP:BASIC myself, but maybe this will help anyone who is interested. Bennv3771 (talk) 05:04, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. Suggestions to Keep yet admitting that we have no sources are inexplicable under Wikipedia terms. No major wins reported anywhere. Therefore, subject fails WP:NATHLETE since claims to the contrary are not verifiable. -The Gnome (talk) 10:06, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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delete Maybe sources exist in Chinese but I don't see that the GNG is met. I also don't see anything to show WP:NSPORTS is met.Sandals1 (talk) 15:01, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I've searched through many English and Chinese sources and have to conclude that this player does not meet BASIC/NSPORTS. Only substantial coverage is the secondary source already cited in the article (which, as pointed out in the nom, is mainly quotes), with the rest just being routine game coverage. Bennv3771 (talk) 12:10, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - as well as believing, firmly, that GNG is not satisfied by the absence of sources, and that should be enough to make it insufficient. There is also a lack of clear evidence she actually satisfied WP:ATHLETE - with any doubt on that it make there no functional case to retain at all. Nosebagbear (talk) 20:52, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:57, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Manuel Ramírez (photography)[edit]

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Photographer fails WP:NBIO. Contains assertions of notability, but none of the awards, festivals, or museums mentioned have their own article. Could not find any reliable sources to add. Brad v 20:01, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I cannot find any mention of him anywhere. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:38, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'm also not able to find sources from which to build an article. One museum does have an article, which has been added, and another now has an {{ill}} to Portuguese, but I didn't find references for his work being included there. Note that there is coverage of a photographer called José Manuel Ramírez,[12][13], but that's a different person, born in Seville, not Jalisco. › Mortee _talk 16:42, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. There is a rough consensus that the subject meets WP:PROF and possibly also the GNG. A major concern of those editors in favour of deletion, that this is a BLP without reliable sources, has been rectified by David Eppstein. – Joe (talk) 07:14, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Etzel Cardeña[edit]

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Contested PROD. PROD reason was "No reliable secondary sources tending to show notability. Two of the reference links are dead, but can be seen by their names to be in any case primary sources; one is to the editorial board of a journal that Cardeña is on; one, in Swedish, is an extremely popularly written interview with Cardeña ("Are you more telepathic when you're in love?" "Why are Swedes so rude?") in Salongk.se, via the Wayback Machine; the venue is no longer online. The last one, billed in the article as an article written by Cardeña, is actually an open letter signed by nearly one hundred academics, of whom he is one, and published in the controversial Frontiers in Human Neuroscience (see our article)." The PROD was contested with a claim that the subject meets "multiple WP:PROF criteria" - however, the WP:RSes to write an article from are not only not present, but don't (on a quick WP:BEFORE) appear to exist. Perhaps they do, but we need the actual sources before a WP:BLP can be allowed to exist. David Gerard (talk) 19:46, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no notable Ghits, fails WP:NBIO. Since this is a BLP, the fact it has no sources also is a reason for deletion. Kirbanzo (talk) 20:11, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Full transparency: I wrote the PROD rationale which David Gerard quotes above. The PROD was removed with the comment that "article makes a clear claim of notability through multiple WP:PROF criteria; prodder appears to be using the wrong notability guideline for this subject".[14] Of the WP:PROF criteria, I believe the remover must be referring to number 5, "The person holds or has held a named chair appointment ... at a major institution of higher education and research". I say that because I can't see any other WP:PROF criterion that Cadeña remotely meets. It is claimed in the article that Cadeña is "the Thorsen Professor of Psychology at Lund University"; so, he holds or held a named chair appointment. Lund University is certainly a major institution of higher education and research, but there is something unusual about the Thorsen chair of psychology. The only mentions of it that Google finds are closely together with Cardeña, in contexts where Cardeña himself has listed his credentials, with one exception: an interesting article from 2015 titled "A decade in the borderland of science", just one and unfortunately in Swedish, in Sydsvenskan, a respectable daily. Apparently the Danish industrialist Poul Thorsen had difficulty in persuading any major university to take his money and create a chair in parapsychology: both Copenhagen and Stockholm declined. I quote an exerpt from the Sydsvenskan article:

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Quote from Thorsen's will:

"The rest of my fortune will be offered to a Swedish university in the order of Lund, Upsala, Stockholm, as the university in question will undertake to apply the interest of the untiring fund capital for full or partial remuneration of a professor, possibly a lecturer, in parapsychology linked to teaching in hypnologi."

"The story of Lund University's most odd professor's chair begins in 1961. The Danish manufacturer Poul Thorsen writes the above formulations in his will. It states that his wealth must be devoted to two purposes. One was to ensure lifelong livelihood for two women, servants in the Thorsian household. The second was to finance research within Thorsen's great interest, parapsychology. From the beginning, Thorsen would [=wished to] benefit Copenhagen University, but they thanked no [=declined]. The same message met Thorsen in Stockholm. In the end, Lund University accepted the donation. An important role, then, was [=was played by] the director, Philip Sandblom, who thought that the money could come in handy. Together with the psychological department, Lund University succeeded in part in [=in partically redefining] the purpose of the donation, so that it also included research within the somewhat more accepted field of hypnology, ie research on hypnosis. At the beginning of the 21st century, the last of the two women in the testament had died and the money could eventually be paid to Lund University, where the professors at the psychological department did not see any obstacles to announcing the service [=to inviting applications for the new chair]. So [=This] was done in May 2003.
That it was not any service was pretty clear soon [=That it was not just any chair soon became clear]. Not least for [=to] the dean of the Faculty of Social Sciences, Sune Sunesson, who was able to [=had to] handle Lund University's probably most laborious appointment case ever. "

(Note: This is from Google Translate, as far as possible. I'm a Swedish speaker, and have offered clearer alternatives where I found the machine translation incomprehensible. The whole article, which expresses doubt about letting this kind of chair into Swedish academe, is well worth reading.)

What's my point? Well, it seems strange that his type of named chair, obviously not nearly as respectable as a regular Swedish professorship, can on its own make a person notable. I can't believe that is the intention of WP:PROF. Bishonen | talk 21:07, 2 September 2018 (UTC).[reply]

If this article stays, that's definitely worth discussing in the article. There was also (non-RS) discussion of the Thorsen chair in ScienceBlogs - the chair was empty for decades until Cardena accepted it - David Gerard (talk) 21:34, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

ping David Eppstein, who contested the PROD - do you have any good sources on Cardena? - David Gerard (talk) 21:35, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:PROF#C5 (named chair at a major university), #C8 (editor in chief of a notable journal) [15], and #C1 (16 publications with over 100 citations each on Google Scholar). Making fun of someone's research specialty is not an adequate reason for deletion, and neither is using the wrong notability criterion (this is a case for PROF, not WP:GNG). —David Eppstein (talk) 21:47, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Even given prima facie notability - we still need the actual RSes for a BLP, and the article doesn't have them. Do you have them? Then they need to be there in practice, not just hypothetically, for the article to be allowed to exist - David Gerard (talk) 23:16, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @David Eppstein: I didn't use WP:GNG to assess notability, I used WP:PROF. You suggest its criterion C1 is satisfied by "16 publications with over 100 citations each on Google Scholar"; I don't agree. C1 goes like this: "The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources". The number of publications with 100 citations does not in itself show that. (100 bare citations isn't much.) I don't so far see any reason to believe his research has had a significant impact. But I'm ready to change my mind if you supply the independent reliable sources that say it has. P.S. Is it my quotes from the interview in Salongk.se, which was offered as a source in our article, that you call "Making fun of someone's research specialty"? The interview was offered as a source, and I tried to describe its character, to assist the non-Swedish-speaking reader, without any intention of making fun. It's actually a better source, being at least secondary, than several of the others.Bishonen | talk 11:15, 3 September 2018 (UTC).[reply]
  - To me this objection reads as "I don't believe in our established notability guidelines so I am going to make up different requirements that articles must also satisfy". We have hundreds of published reliable sources discussing his research, some of them likely in-depth. And C1 was only the third of three notability criteria that I cited him as passing; we only need one. In any case, if you pretend that for reasons GNG should take precedence in this case, [16] and [17] look like reliable in-depth independent sources, certainly enough to source the named professorship criterion of WP:PROF. And to respond to previous comments about how "respectable" the chair is: I think the controversy over the chair makes it more notable, not less. And our personal opinions about respectability should be very far from how we decide notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 12:53, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - This may be prima facie notability - or it may not - but please refrain from making personal attacks on other editors. With the sources to hand, and adding the second source you give (no way the first passes WP:RS), this article should be about two paragraphs if it survives - David Gerard (talk) 16:14, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. In addition to what User:David Eppstein writes above, Etzel Cardeña is – for good or bad – a piece of Swedish modern research history. He – and his chair, but he as a person was not irrelevant – it was controversial already in 2005, of course, but wasn't just a piece of news back then. It was the focus of a nation-wide debate in 2012. It started, if I remember correctly, with Pseudovetenskap sprids okritiskt in Svenska Dagbladet and continued in a good number of newspapers. He's been the focus of a number of portraits in respectable newspapers, like the longish "Tio år i gränslandet" in Sydsvenskan (the major newspaper in southern Sweden). I can't find the article online, but it's available through w:sv:Mediearkivet. Another example, a portrait in w:sv:Forskning & Framsteg, one of the major (respectable) Swedish popular science newspapers. /Julle (talk) 17:34, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- If we can get this stuff into the article, I'll be delighted to change my !vote - sounds like he'd pass WP:FRINGEBLP - David Gerard (talk) 17:52, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - AfD is not for cleanup. And notability is based on the information that can be found about the subject, not on the current state of the article. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:19, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - Even if prima facie notability exists - BLPs must have the RSes actually present - you keep pretending you haven't had this pointed out to you - David Gerard (talk) 09:48, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per David Eppstein and Julle, though I'm not sure if Eppstein is right about Cardena passing WP:PROF#C8, given that the Journal of Parapsychology seems to be considered a fringe publication in most of academia. But this is irrelevant considering the reliable sources noted by Julle, the high citation counts and endowed chair noted by Eppstein, and his status as a fellow of both the American Psychological Association and the Association for Psychological Science, [18] all of which allow him to pass WP:PROF easily. IntoThinAir (formerly Everymorning) talk 17:47, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per WP:PROF#C5. Per WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 13:00, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Mindless evoking of checklist is no way to run an encyclopedia. The WP:PROF -- like all notability guidelines -- are intended as a shorthand, not religious dogma. --Calton | Talk 15:02, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
keep. No evidence of RS that demonstrates notability for a large amount of the content in the article, though some of it is mentioned in some fringe publications. However, the individual themselves is apparently notable even though the article does requires further citation. @David Eppstein: To be clear I don't support the concept of " an editor has prove reliable sources don't exist before removing currently unsourced content" per WP:BLPREMOVE. Proving something doesn't exist is an impossible task, insead it is standard practice to remove unsourced content until such a time as RS can be (and has been) provided in text; an admin should know that. Endercase (talk) 17:53, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- You removed content that has been discussed as sourced in this AfD; in particular his named professorship. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:45, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. postdlf (talk) 12:58, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Wolfe (priest)[edit]

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No apparent notability Kevin McE (talk) 10:36, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Plemth

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Booth (priest)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George Henry Cameron

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael John Keatinge

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tim Raphael

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Tuttebury

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas de Bodham

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wandlyn Snelgrove Bashereyre (talk) 10:40, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete one reference to a clerical directory is not enough to establish notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:02, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Dean of a cathedral is notable by office, not achievementsBashereyre (talk) 09:40, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Where is that established? Is there a discussion thread or WP:NOTABILITY policy commitment to that effect? The role of dean in some major cathedrals might be, but on what grounds are individual holders of the post? Kevin McE (talk) 11:12, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So if its not been established, let's start one. Would you know where we do this?Bashereyre (talk) 20:48, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

More to the point, if it has not been established, why are you asserting it as fact? Because if Wolfe does not meet the expectations at WP:BASIC, then a general principle re the status of dean should preclude creation of the article. WP:CLERGY suggests that it might be assumed that Bishops reach that threshold, but not lower ranks. There have been numerous relevant discussions within Wikipedia talk:Notability (people), and in none of them is it even proposed that deans or archdeacons should be assumed notable. You would need to get a consensus, I would suggest, at wp:Notability (people), but I consider it very unlikely. Kevin McE (talk) 00:12, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Per nom and Johnpacklambert, there doesn't appear to be enough reliable/independent/sigcov sources to suggest that the subject here meets WP:GNG. The suggestion that "a dean is automatically notable" is not supported by any community-defined notability criteria. And, in fact, overtly falls short of WP:CLERGY and WP:POSITION. (The suggestion that "a dean is an important position, therefore this dean is automatically important/notable" does not stack up against WP:POSITION specifically). Delete. Guliolopez (talk) 09:11, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Vanamonde (talk) 15:19, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Troy Stanley[edit]

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Failed candidate for Congress whose non politics career isn't notable. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:06, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete that this article has lasted for 9 years is a travesty.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:47, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect this not-elected candidate to United States House of Representatives elections in Florida, 2010#District 4, where there is already a sourced mention.E.M.Gregory (talk) 09:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, with no objection to the creation of a redirect afterward (but delete this first, because we don't want to hold on to its edit history.) Non-winning candidates for Congress do not get Wikipedia articles just for being candidates — he would have to win the election and thereby hold the office, not just run and lose, to pass WP:NPOL as a politician, and absent that he has to be able to demonstrate that he already had preexisting notability for other reasons that would have gotten him a Wikipedia article anyway. But the quality of sourcing here is not suggesting that he's got a plausible claim to passing our notability standards for businesspeople as a hot dog stand operator, either. Bearcat (talk) 16:06, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree with Bearcat and E.M. Gregory, but prefer the delete then redirect approach. SportingFlyer talk 01:58, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 20:15, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Passamaneck[edit]

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Non-notable professor (fails WP:NPROF). I could not find any additional sources. Eligible for BLPPROD, except that it had 2 dead external links that I removed. Brad v 18:41, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete does not meet the notability guidelines for academics.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:20, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Citation counts (in Google scholar) are too low to convince me of a pass of WP:PROF#C1 and there seems to be nothing else. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:25, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - None of the sources about this person are enough for having the article. Accesscrawl (talk) 15:23, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 20:14, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fajr 7[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. The whole article is based on a typo/Weasel Word AmericanAir88^(talk) 18:10, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no way is the military exercise notable (not a good sign when the creator states it's obscure), and the typo could only be notable in the oddest of circumstances (as in, the typo itself caused news). No significant coverage I could find. No evident redirect target Nosebagbear (talk) 18:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete per WP:A7. Fails WP:DICTDEF and WP:GNG. Fail to see this as a useful disambig, though I guess perhaps there might be merit (depending on just how wide the Fajr-7 mistake was - and I don't see an indication it was wide - though it being a mistake seems to be un-sourced OR at the moment) for a redirect to Fajr 3.Icewhiz (talk) 06:16, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Non-notable military exercise unlikely to be recalled outside Wikipedia. Accesscrawl (talk) 16:59, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No credible claim of notability. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:48, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lacks notability. - GravityUp↑✉ 14:45, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete and redirect to Gul Ahmed Group. So Why 15:29, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bashir Ali Mohammad[edit]

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Not notable businessman. Lacks reliable sources. Fails to meet WP:GNG. Knightrises10 (talk) 18:05, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Gul Ahmed Group because the subject is chairman of this popular clothing brand. While the subject is Pakistan's leading textile barons as per this which makes him a prominent Pakistani businessman as per this but in the absence of significant coverage in independent RS, redirection make sense instead of deletion. --Saqib (talk) 18:43, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Even the article Gul Ahmed Group doesn't look notable and has just 2 citations. Knightrises10 (talk) 09:46, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously? Guess you need to carry out WP:BEFORE. The company easily passes WP:ORG. Undoubtedly, Pakistan's largest textile manufacturing company.. --Saqib (talk) 10:13, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete a non-notable businessman.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:12, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a case of WP:Promo, more or less an advert that would have been deleted as G11 if it had not already been at AfD. If it is made a redirect the article should be deleted first as promo, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 15:53, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sorry, LuckyRacerNP, but "notability is well known in YouTube, Instagram etc." is not enough to meet WP:N; pretty much everybody can easily enlist a song "in internet". Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:29, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ming Sherap[edit]

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Non-notable individual lacking in-depth, non-trivial support. reddogsix (talk) 23:25, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep because this article is about the youtuber who has enlisted his song in internet and his notability is well known in YouTube, Instagram etc.LuckyRacerNP (talk) 01:27, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've redirect the newly created article on his song Swag Kta Moh to Ming Sherap; I don't see how the song can be notable if he isn't. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:32, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Some trivial coverage, fails WP:GNG, WP:WEB. jni ^(delete)_{...just not interested}

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Delete The only source is region-biased and seems to be more of a fluff piece. --QEDK (後 ☕ 桜) 06:23, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. So Why 15:42, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Chika Nwobi[edit]

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I'm unable to find significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject and current sources provide nothing but a passing mention and most of them are not reliable. It reads like an advertisement for the subject and his companies. GSS (talk|c|em) 16:54, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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KEEP "unable to find significant coverage". LOL. Did you even look? A quick google search pulls up plenty of sources. Not to mention the article is well-cited Freetheangels (talk) 19:21, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Very funny! read my nom above once again. GSS (talk|c|em) 08:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP I'm very confused. This article is properly cited and the subject has many articles written about him online. He is definitely considered "notable". Leapsandbounds (talk) 22:20, 2 September 2018 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Leapsandbounds (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

Keep After cleanup the article will likely be a stub. Unless there's major rebuilding Judging from a Google search, the subject seems notable enough as a Nigerian tech CEO. However, it will require a large amount of cleanup, as well as additional citations. The style isn't quite there for Wikipedia yet (mainly WP:NPOV), but it has been posted on Wikipedia:Cleanup and does have to potential to be a fair article. Rosalina2427 ^{(talk to me)} 21:03, 4 September 2018 (UTC)Delete For sources; mostly unreliable. Rosalina2427 ^{(talk to me)} 23:44, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Theoretically as a cleaned-up article, notability (or lack of) aside, it will likely be a stub. It'll either be a weak delete or stub from me, I'll look more into it. Thanks GSS. Rosalina2427 ^{(talk to me)} 20:28, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Rosalina2427: WP:NOTINHERIT applies here. Being a CEO is not, of itself, sufficient to address the WP:BIO criteria. There's no automatic inherited notability as these same policies state the subject must be independently notable, and this article contains clear named mentions, which emphasize its PR bloating. Please reconsider your !vote above. Thank you. GSS (talk|c|em) 02:58, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I removed some sources that I found unreliable, most of them were blog type websites with no about us page and seems to be run by a single individual (the list can be found here). GSS (talk|c|em) 04:08, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You removed more than "some". The article is practically poorly sourced now. You're unfairly making claims like "seems to be run by a single individual". Leapsandbounds (talk) 09:05, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:UGC, user generated content is generally unacceptable, and the deleted sources were blogs. The only deleted source that is relatively verifiable is the first source from Proshare here: https://www.proshareng.com/news/People/Unilever-Nigeria-Plc-Appoints-Mr-Chika-Nwobi-as-Non-Executive-Director/36911. Correct me if I've overlooked anything with that source and it's actually not reliable. Rosalina2427 ^{(talk to me)} 20:04, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Rosalina2427: So can www.proshareng.com be used? Also, what if one source contains most of the information in the Wikipedia article, is it allowed to cite one source multiple times? Leapsandbounds 09:52, 6 September 2018

@Leapsandbounds: No, proshareng.com is not a reliable source, see their about us page. GSS (talk|c|em) 09:03, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@GSS: Okay. I will find a better one. Leapsandbounds 10:10, 6 September 2018

@GSS: What is wrong with WWW.MIPAD.ORG? It's a legitimate award supported by the UN General Assembly. Leapsandbounds 10:14, 6 September 2018

Well at the end of that blog post it says We are proud of his achievement and we name him Most Influential 100 Class of Business and Entrepreneurship category but in the actual list his name is not mentioned so do you have a reliable source for this claim? Thank you. GSS (talk|c|em) 10:35, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@GSS: Yeah I was wondering why his name wasn't on the official list. I see how the statement could be problematic, but since their the ones giving the award, isn't it okay for them to approve of his achievements? I will try to find something else. Leapsandbounds 13:54, 6 September 2018

@GSS: How about http://disrupt-africa.com/about/? It's a well-known news site on the continent. I think you deleted it previously. Leapsandbounds 16:00, 6 September 2018

This is a blog type website and I can't see anything about their editorial or fact-checking procedures, editorial staff, etc. GSS (talk|c|em) 15:12, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: VERY, Unsourcred, the ones that were delated were from blogs with no way to verify that they are reliable. Lakeside Out!-LakesideMiners^{Click Here To Talk To Me!} 15:13, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article just needs cleaning up. A few minutes searching online turns up lots of usable biographical material. Lovelylinda1980 (talk) 07:58, 6 September 2018 (UTC) — Lovelylinda1980 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

@Lovelylinda1980: Seriously? Are you aware of our WP:BLP policy? GSS (talk|c|em) 08:04, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The current version of the article has 10 sources:

Company directory on Bloomberg: this is outside Bloomberg's editorial control ("Bloomberg.com does not create or control the content") and per past RSN discussions, this is likely SPS by the company. Not significant, reliable, or independent.
AIMGroup: trivial mention in an industry publication. Not significant, reliable, or independent.
CDNET: Another company directory. Not significant, reliable, or independent.
Article in Guardian.ng: doesn't even mention Chika Nwobi. Can't be used to establish notability for someone it doesn't discuss.
Executive directory on Bloomberg: again, outside Bloomberg's editorial control and likely SPS. (See previous discussions here and here, for example.) Not significant, reliable, or independent.
Executive direcotry on Crunchbase: user-submitted database. See RSN discussion here. Not significant, reliable, or independent.
Article on Punch: trivial mention in what's either a press release or transparently based on a press release. Not significant or independent, probably not reliable, either.
Article on Leadership.ng: doesn't even mention Chika Nwobi. Can't be used to establish notability for someone it doesn't discuss.
Article on Guardian.ng: trivial mention in what's either a press release or transparently based on a press release. Not significant or independent, probably not reliable, either.
Article on TribuneOnlineng.com: trivial mention in what's either a press release or transparently based on a press release. Not significant or independent, probably not reliable, either.

WP:GNG requires significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject and none of these sources establish that. Woodroar (talk) 03:27, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Woodroar's in-depth analysis is solid. There is no cited source that amounts to WP:SIGCOV. Edwardx (talk) 11:20, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: does not meet WP:ANYBIO per review of available sources, which are mostly advertorial in nature. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:45, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. So Why 15:42, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2M Group[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. No sources. A Google search mainly brings up other companies with the same name and this article. » Shadowowl | talk 16:47, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Merge &~~ delete: I added a source which verifies the basis of this campaign alliance but is insufficient to demonstrate its notability as an organisation. There is some media coverage triggered by reports issued by this group (e.g. Oct 2015) but not the in-depth coverage of the grouping which is needed for WP:ORG. It would be best to be noted in context at Expansion_of_Heathrow_Airport#Opponents_of_expansion (which currently mentions only 1 of the 24 councils). AllyD (talk) 07:06, 26 August 2018 (UTC) (Mention and refs now added to Expansion_of_Heathrow_Airport removing the need for a merge. AllyD (talk) 08:06, 26 August 2018 (UTC) )[reply]

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The result was delete. So Why 15:41, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Eliyahu Federman[edit]

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Renominating article for deletion. The article was clearly written by the subject of the article. See, e.g., FN3 (a letter of recommendation for the subject) and FN5 (the result of a Westlaw search by the subject) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:1201:854b:f9fe:397f:454c:db0c (talk) 01:22, 19 August 2018‎ (UTC)[reply]

Procedural note. The IP had attempted the nomination by leaving their rationale at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Eliyahu Federman.[19] I have only provided technical assistance and have not opined on the nomination. —C.Fred (talk) 01:41, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete does not meet notability guidelines for notability.John Pack Lambert (talk)

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Comment Being written by the subject doesn't constitute a reason for deleting the article, just a reason to look at it more closely. K.Bog 06:11, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Article is well cited but should be re-written to establish notability maybe by someone other than the subjectFreetheangels (talk) 19:32, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: does not meet WP:ANYBIO nor WP:AUTHOR. Being "Senior Vice President & Chief Communications Officer" of a nn company does not help. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:10, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. In the end, the argument that NMUSIC is only an indicator of possible notability and GNG is not met with no significant coverage was more persuasive. So Why 15:47, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Holland Davis[edit]

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG . ~~All of the sources are self-published~~ I should have written that the sourced do not discuss the subject in detail. Only passing mentions. I see no source to support notability. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:57, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Sources are not self-published. They are from 3rd party, independent magazine reviews, articles and music industry sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hollanddavis (talk • contribs) 17:08, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- You're right. I should have written that the sourced do not discuss the subject in detail. Only passing mentions. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:12, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - They substantiate the body of compositions as a songwriter whose works are award winning and have sold over 1,000,000 units (WOW Worship Blue) and 500,000 units (Top 25 Praise Songs) which meets the criteria for notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hollanddavis (talk • contribs) 17:26, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - That's clear, but a large body of works is not a criteria for inclusion. And the albums have sold well, but we need sources to support that your contributions on those compilation albums was the reason they sold well. Since your solo albums have not achieved success or notability, it follows that it's likely the act of being a compilation album that helped them to sell well. So unless you or your works have directly won an award, there is no notability. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:53, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe your reasoning is factual. To say a song on a compilation does not contribute to the sales of the compilation does not make sense. The reason why you include songs is to include the songs that will gain the most sales. WOW Worship is best of compilation selecting from the top 100 songs performed in churches at that time. Holland Davis did win several awards. He was awarded an ASCAP award for most played song in 2006 for Let It Rise. He was awarded one platinum and two gold records for WOW Worship and Top 25 Praise Songs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hollanddavis (talk • contribs) 01:10, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry you don't the simple logic I presented because it does make sense. For instance, in country music in particular, a single hit song will not usually increase sales for an album. There are instances where a musician in that category will have multiple singles and the album itself does not sell. However if those same hit singles are released on a compilation album along with other hits, then the compilation will sell. It's the fact that it's a collection of good songs that make compilation sell, not the presence of any one song. If you can show a source that states that the presence of your song boosted sales by even 1%, you would have a clear point. I suspect that if your song was removed from those compilations and another song from a different worship musician had been included, the album would have not have sold significantly better or worse. I would argue that "Good, Good Father" is a more notable song than "let It Arise" and neither Pat Barrett nor Anthony Brown have articles (althoughg Housefires does, based on the weight of their third album). And I'm curious why you're referring to yourself in the third person. The award was not for most played song in 2006, but one of the most performed Christian songs of the year. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:00, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You cannot compare Good Good Father with Let It Rise (it is not Let It Arise... maybe that's the issue, you've confused the song with a different song)... Good Good Father is recently released and still building notability. Let It Rise, achieved notability in the 90's as a top 100 CCLI song (which earned the song a place on the multi-platinum selling WOW Worship Blue) which is based on usage in churches and a Top 25 charting position with Big Daddy Weave again in the 2000's as well as a #2 position on the gospel charts by William Murphy. Can you name another worship song that has achieved Top 25 placements on Billboard in 2 different genres at the same time? As well as achieving multi-platinum status on a compilation with notability spanning 2 decades? It appears the song meets the criteria for notariety... inclusion on charts, winning multi-platinum status. It appears the songwriter has been credited as writing the song that has been recorded by notable groups. It appears to meet the notability requirements on several points. All it needs to do is meet one to be deemed notable. You are correct it was the the 25 most performed Christian songs of the year is the official category title. It was for the most plays on radio (which means it charted in the top 25) which again proves the notability of the song and the writer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.22.3 (talk) 15:29, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: About the composition,
Composers, songwriters, librettists or lyricists, may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria:
1. Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition.
[...]
3. Has had a work used as the basis for a later composition by a songwriter, composer or lyricist who meets the above criteria.

^{— WP:COMPOSER}
"Let It Rise" does not appear to be notable, though. Per WP:NSONG, emphasis mine:

Songs and singles are probably notable if they have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label.

Also, from the "subject" footnote of that guideline:

The "subject" of a work means non-trivial treatment and excludes mere mention of the song/single, its musician/band or of its publication, price listings and other non-substantive detail treatment.

This does not appear to be the case, no matter how best-selling the album was. The whole "Awards" section might be inadequate praise, as these awards have never been awarded to the article subject themselves. About Holland Davis, I can not find independent, significant coverage that addresses him directly and in detail, per WP:GNG. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 17:55, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The ASCAP Award was awarded to Holland Davis as the writer of Let It Rise which was one of the most performed songs of 2006. it both establishes the notability of the song and the songwriter as ASCAP is a song based PRO. If it helps establish the case, I can list a number of records who have recorded Let It Rise from non-trivial works? It's easy to establish the value of the song. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hollanddavis (talk • contribs) 18:11, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As far as charting... Let It Rise appeared on the Billboard Hot Christian Adult Contemporary Chart 11/6/2006 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hollanddavis (talk • contribs) 18:18, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A standalone article about a song should satisfy the above criteria. Any of the following factors suggest that a song or single may be notable enough that a search for coverage in reliable independent sources will be successful.

Has been ranked on national or significant music or sales charts. (Note again that this indicates only that a song may be notable, not that it is notable.)

Has won one or more significant awards or honors, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.

Has been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands, or groups. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hollanddavis (talk • contribs) 18:21, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Hollanddavis: The ASCAP Award was awarded to Holland Davis, as person? Not just mentioning the song? I can not find that at this link, and the reference link in the "Awards" section is broken. Please provide a reliable source for this statement. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:24, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

When quoting guidelines, and when copying text from any page, please mention where you have taken it from, where the quotation begins, and where the quotation ends. Please fix that above. Thank you. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:24, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I note that a user called User:hollanddavis is posting here, and has been very active and editing the page. Even if the subject is notable, there appears to be a serious conflict of interest which should be addressed. If User:hollanddavis believes the page should stay, then he needs to establish which aspects of WP:NMUSIC are satisfied. Ross-c (talk) 18:56, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The ASCAP listing the mention of the song and the writer is who the award went to... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hollanddavis (talk • contribs) 22:18, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep definite WP:COI and if this is kept the artist should not directly edit it but instead make suggestions on the talk page. However, he does seem to pass WP:NMUSIC with charting hit singles on billboard, and he has coverage in christian music reliable sources such as CrossRhythmns, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 17:18, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Atlantic306: WP:NMUSIC lists reasons why a musician may be notable. They are not automatically defined, not even necessarily "likely" to be notable if one of the examples listed there applies. Also, could you please specify which part of WP:NMUSIC you are referring to? The "reliable source" at CrossRhythms (link) appears to be an interview where the musician talks about themselves, which is explicitly not included by WP:NMUSIC#Criteria for musicians and ensembles, point 1. The "charting" in Christian music does not appear to be the same as appearing on "any country's national music chart" per point 2. The musician also does not appear to have "won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award." per point 8. The word "major" is important here. I have not seen anything "major" in that regard yet. Please also note that "Wikipedia should not have a separate article on [...] any subject that, despite the person meeting the rules of thumb described above, for which editors ultimately cannot locate independent sources that provide in-depth information about the subject.", per WP:NMUSIC as well. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:26, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The album reviews at Cross Rythm are reliable intellectually independent sources that count towards WP:GNG, meeting one of the criteria on WP:NMUSIC means exactly that a musician is likely to be notable and the Billboard christian music charts are national charts as opposed to state or local and are widely quoted in christian music reliable sources so criteria 2 of WP:NMUSIC is clearly passed,regards Atlantic306 (talk) 11:59, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This is a case where WP:MUSICBIO is met (Billboard's "Hot Christian Songs"and "Hot Gospel Songs" charts are sufficient for point #2), but WP:GNG is not (bearing in mind that "Multiple publications from the same author or organization are usually regarded as a single source for the purposes of establishing notability", the article has a total of one independent reliable source, and I haven't been able to find any sources not cited in the article). Given that MUSICBIO is a guideline clarifying what "may be notable", and that we can't write an article (especially one about a living person) without reliable sources, GNG has to take priority. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 23:15, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Redirect at editorial discretion. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:28, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Business Morning[edit]

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Even on History of CNN (1980–2003), this show doesn't have a single mention except for one bullet point in the "Variety shows" section. It also lacks references and therefore doesn't demonstrate notability. Also, it was created 13 years ago but is only one sentence long. Should it be redirected to there or to another larger article perhaps? – numbermaniac 12:37, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or redirect (to History of CNN (1980–2003)?...). I've found one incidental mention of this show in LA Times – [20] – and a couple more in Variety – [21], [22]. But this is only enough to establish that the show existed, not enough to show that it was notable in WP:GNG terms. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:58, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No point to redirect. We have 'it aired on CNN', and we need much more for even a redirect. Nate • (chatter) 23:05, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. So Why 15:41, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of The Andy Griffith Show guest stars[edit]

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Unsourced list of guest stars on television program. Lists mostly single appearances of characters. Notes list what actor portraying character is later known for, unrelated to appearance on The Andy Griffith Show.

There's no debate that actors with wikilinks meet WP:N and that The Andy Griffith Show was a popular television show. But there are no sources about the topic of The Andy Griffith Show guest stars treated as a whole, and list article fails WP:TVCAST and WP:LISTCRUFT. The more significant guest/recurring stars are listed in List of The Andy Griffith Show characters. AldezD (talk) 12:07, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. . Vorbee (talk) 17:45, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The nominator's boilerplate nomination is incorrect about the content; only a mere few entries are unsourced. The rest list specific episodes. postdlf (talk) 02:18, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment—Sourcing isn't the core issue. This content fails fails WP:TVCAST and WP:LISTCRUFT. A list of single episode guest stars of a television show is not content that meets criteria guidelines. AldezD (talk) 15:07, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - LISTCRUFT is essentially an "I don't like this list and want an acronym to cite" essay, so that's really uninteresting to me. If you're using it as a proxy for an actual consensus-supported guideline or policy, you should just cite that policy. And could you be specific regarding what part of WP:TVCAST you are applying, and in what way that MOS guideline establishes relevant inclusion criteria that this list fails? postdlf (talk) 15:23, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - "Not every fictional character ever created deserves to be listed". "A cast member or character appearing in more than one episode, or in two or more consecutive episodes, does not necessarily mean that character has a 'recurring' role." These are not recurring characters. They are one-episode characters, and do not belong in a separate article list. A list of guest stars does not meet WP:N. AldezD (talk) 16:26, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      - None of that says "never list guest stars", nor "only main and recurring roles may be listed". Further, this list is limited to guest stars who have their own articles. Editors may ultimately decide that this is an unnecessary level of detail for this particular show, or that having guest starred in this series may not be significant enough as a basis for an index of notable actors, but your legalistic approach, and your copied and pasted rationales (apparently applied based on nothing more than the type of list rather than a case-by-case evaluation of the content per WP:BEFORE) is completely off-base here.
        You claim above that there are "no sources about the topic of The Andy Griffith Show guest stars treated as a whole", but are you basing this purely based on the state of the article, or have you actually consulted any of the many books about this series to see if they discuss and/or list significant guest stars? postdlf (talk) 17:45, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep this is a fairly prominent TV show, with several books about it. Those books discuss guest stars in the context of episode guides, etc. Articles such as List of The Simpsons guest stars (seasons 1–20) (or others in Category:Lists of guest appearances in television) suggest this is not a WP:NOT violation. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:45, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in reliable sources.
The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone lists, which says, "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list." I will show below that "The Andy Griffith Show guest stars" has been treated as a "a group or set by independent reliable sources".

Sources
1. Beck, Ken; Clark, Jim (1996). Aunt Bee's Delightful Desserts. Nashville, Tennessee: Thomas Nelson. pp. ix–x. ISBN 978-1-55853-402-5. Retrieved 2018-09-07.
  The book provides a list of guest stars:
  1. Jackie Joseph—Ramona Ankrum
  2. Frank Sutton—Sgt. Carter
  3. Charles P. Thompson—Asa Breeney
  4. Enid Markey—Mrs. Mendelbright
  5. Will Wright, Tol Avery, and Jason Johnson—Ben Weaver
  6. Olan Soule—John Masters
  7. Josie Lloyd—Lydia Crosswaith
  8. Barbara Perry—Flossie, Mary Lee, Lavinia, and Doris Williams
  9. Norman Leavitt (it:Norman Leavitt), Trevor Bardette, and Cliff Norton—Wally
  10. Jane Dulo—Escaped convict Sally
  11. Barbara Eden—Ellen Brown
  12. Mary Grace Canfield—Mary Grace Gossage
  13. Joyce Van Patten—Laura Hollander
  14. Robert Cornthwaite—Inspector Somerset
  15. Alan Oppenheimer—Mr. Ruskin, the Interpreter
  16. R. G. Armstrong—Farmer Flint
  17. Elaine Joyce—Mavis Neff
  18. The Country Boys (Roland White, LeRoy McNees, Clarence White, Eric White, and Billy Ray Latham)—Local musicians
  19. Joel Redlin—Ferdie
  20. Alvy Moore—Kitchenwares salesman
  21. Dave Ketchum—Fred Michaels, Harry Walker
  22. George Spence—Frank the fiancé
  23. Brad (Joe Bolleter) Olson—Esquire Club member John Danby
2. Beck, Ken; Clark, Jim (2000) [1985]. The Andy Griffith Show Book. New York: St. Martin's Press. pp. 149–170. ISBN 0-312-26287-6. Retrieved 2018-09-07.
  The book notes:
  There are 249 episodes (159 in black and white; 90 in color) of "The Andy Griffith Show." The following is a list, with brief plot summaries, of all the episodes. The order in which the episodes are listed is the order in which they were filmed and also the order in which they are most commonly aired in syndication. (The order in which the episodes were originally broadcast is slightly different.) Guest stars and prominent actors are also listed, along with the writers of the episodes.
  The book notes this information about guest stars:
  1. In "Episode 8: A Feud Is a Feud", Arthur Hunnicutt and Chubby Johnson are guest stars.
  2. In "Episode 36: Barney on the Rebound", Jackie Coogan is a guest star.
  3. In "Episode 70: The Cow Thief", Malcolm Atterbury and Ralph Bell are guest stars.
  4. In "Episode 74: Convicts-at-Large", Reta Shaw, Jane Dulo, and Jean Carson are guest stars.
  5. In "Episode 107: Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C.", Frank Sutton is the guest star.
  6. In "Episode 144: Goober Takes a Car Apart", Larry Hovis is the guest star.
  7. In "Episode 167: Taylors in Hollywood", Gavin MacLeod and Hayden Rorke are the guest stars.
  8. In "Episode 187: The Foster Lady", Ronnie Schell and Robert Emhardt are the guest stars.
  9. In "Episode 208: The Statue", Dal McKennon is the guest star.
  10. In "Episode 225: Opie Steps Up in Class", Joyce Van Patten is the guest star.
  11. In "Episode 245: Emmett's Anniversary", Ronnie Schell is the guest star.
3. Robinson, Dale; Fernandes, David (1996). The Definitive Andy Griffith Show Reference: Episode-by-Episode, with Cast and Production Biographies and a Guide to Collectibles. Jefferson, North Carolina: McFarland & Company. ISBN 0-7864-2068-5. Retrieved 2018-09-07.
  The book discusses each episode in the series and the cast members (including guest cast) involved in each episode.
4. Hall, Lee (1999-05-31). "Mayburied: 'Griffith' Is Out at TBS". Electronic Media. Crain Communications.
  The article notes:
  Guest stars included Jackie Coogan (Uncle Fester, "The Addams Family"); Buddy Ebsen ("Beverly Hillbillies" and "Barnaby Jones"); Alan Hale Jr. (the skipper on "Gilligan's Island"); Bill Bixby ("The Incredible Hulk" and "My Favorite Martian"), Don Rickles; Bob Denver ("Gilligan's Island"); Teri Garr; Jamie Farr ("MASH"); Howard Hesseman ("WKRP in Cincinnati"); Rob Reiner ("All in the Family"); and Jack Nicholson.
5. Butler, Susan (2002-01-18). "Selected titles celebrate all things Mayberry". The Daily Reflector. Archived from the original on 2018-09-08. Retrieved 2018-09-07.
  The article notes:
  The small, fictional town of Mayberry, N.C., lives on in the Verona Joyner Langford North Carolina Collection at Joyner Library. The television series that was set in this picturesque town, "The Andy Griffith Show," debuted on Oct. 3, 1960, and ran for eight seasons. Several books in the collection give detailed summaries of all 249 episodes that aired, along with short biographies of the cast members and various guest stars who passed through Mayberry, including Jack Nicholson, Bill Bixby, and Barbara Eden.
  The article discusses the books The Andy Griffith Show Book by Ken Beck and Jim Clark, The Definitive Andy Griffith Show Reference by Dale Robinson and David Fernandes, and Mayberry 101: Behind The Scenes of a TV Classic by Neal Brower.
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow the subject to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
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Keep as the topic of the list has significant coverage in multiple reliable sources as shown above so that it passes WP:NLIST and as the topic is discussed in reliable sources it is not listcruft as Wikipedia determines it, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 17:39, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. So Why 15:40, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rok Sako To Rok Lo (TV film)[edit]

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This tele-film does not appear to meet relevant notability guidelines WP:NFILM and lacks non-trivial coverage from independent reliable sources. Saqib (talk) 16:07, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as it is being one of the popular television films of Eid ul Adha 2018.

Film stars famous actor Shahzad Shaikh who is son of legendary International actor Javed Shaikh.Lillyput4455 (talk) 22:19, 2 September 2018 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Lillyput4455 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD. [reply]

Not a policy based argument to keep the page. --Saqib (talk) 17:28, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not necessary to create an article about a movie only because it is being heard about. Rzvas (talk) 18:12, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 15:15, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Omid Jame[edit]

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Iranian singer who fails WP:MUSICBIO. Nothing found in Persian language. In this ref, the article claims that he was nominated for an award (which is not a very important award in Iran) while this source does not mention his name. Farhikht (talk) 15:43, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Nothing to suggest importance. fails WP:MUSICBIO. Freetheangels (talk) 19:36, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete at this stage. I can be convinced even if non-English sources have been provided. Capitals00 (talk) 12:31, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 15:15, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Brass Mug[edit]

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While they've had some impressive and notable acts, I see no evidence that this venue is any more notable than the hundreds of thousands of acts that host those same names. The reference to it being the "CBGB of Tampa" is from a small local blog/paper.1 CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 15:14, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a local bar that has ticketed events; no sign of coverage beyond the WP:MILL announcements/promotions of those events. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:47, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Per Nom and power~enwiki as well as the fact that the wording and overall tone seems to violate WP:NOTADVERTISING.Grapefruit17 (talk) 22:04, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. per WP:G5. Feel free to create a redirect. So Why 15:40, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Shehrbano Taseer[edit]

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Not satisfying WP:GNG. Lacks details and coverage from independent sources. A large part of the article mentions about her brother and husband, which doesn't make her notable. Knightrises10 (talk) 15:04, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Salman Taseer. WhileBeing daughter of a famous politician (Salman Taseer) or sister of a notable brothers is not in itself grounds for notability because Notability is not inherited. so the question is whether she meets WP:JOURNALIST. Journalists are not given an automatic free pass over WP:BIO just because they exist — their ability to qualify for Wikipedia articles is determined by criteria at WP:JOURNALIST. But that does not appear to be the case here. She also lacks significant coverage from independent reliable sources so fails to meet basic GNG as well. But she is often in the press (an interview with Newline) and has received a Human Rights Award as per this news story. I would say better redirect than delete. --Saqib (talk) 18:52, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So you immediately changed your vote when you realised that the article has been nominated by the user whose edits you are 'following'. Interesting. Knightrises10 (talk) 18:58, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Have we had issues in the past? Give me some time to probe. By the way I've stated pretty good reason why we should redirect instead of delete. --Saqib (talk) 19:02, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

LoL, Interesting ! I honestly see no reason to redirect. Saqib is there any justification ? --DBig Xrayᗙ 16:12, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@DBigXray: Why LoL? The subject meets borderline WP:N. Other than getting a a Human Rights Award as per this news story. She also among the four Pakistanis who made it to WEF's 2013 Young Global Leaders list as per this story. As per this RS, she is the official spokesperson of her family (Category:Taseer family) and was interviewed by NDTV, Al Jazeera, MSNBC, NPR, BBC Hard Talk, BBC Radio, CNN and Voice of America. In the absence of Wikipedia page on her family, redirection to her father's page make sense. And if that's not sufficient for you, she has assistant-directed a couple of popular TV series as per this IMDb entry. Redirects are cheap! --Saqib (talk) 19:05, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Saqib LoL was over the cheeky usage of the word 'interesting' nothing more. no offence meant. I can strike if it disturbs you.

Coming to the topic, Per policy, an article created by WP:SOCK is a candidate for WP:CSDG5 seeWikipedia:Dealing_with_sock_puppets#Deleting_articles_or_article_edits.

Human Rights First NGOs' (is barely or non notable NGO) and award is clearly not a notable award. does not prove notability.

WEF is just an NGO, albeit a notable one, but this YGL is given every year to 199 young leaders from 70 countries, again non notable.

~~Newsline is neither a reliable source, nor~~ her being the official spokesperson of her family does not make her notable.

She was interviewed by International media de to her fathers killing not for her work. Does not prove notability.

As. director or director of couple of TV serials doesn't provide notability. --DBig Xrayᗙ 21:11, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

LoL. Interesting! You said Newsline is neither a reliable source. It is Pakistan's most influential political monthly as per NYT and it has its own Wikipedia entry Newsline (magazine). I'm also unconvinced with your comments about the Human Rights First and WEF. Both org are notable at least by WP standards and that's enough for us. --Saqib (talk) 06:25, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I struck off above. Newsline link u gave was not even opening that time. Anyway the debate is the Notability of the subject not the paper, so lets be on the topic. Please read WP:NOTINHERITED awards by any NGO that has an article does not automatically become Notable. each award has to pass its own notability tests. these awards fail that. if you have an argument on how and why these awards are notable, then I would like to see. regards. --DBig Xrayᗙ 11:25, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@DBigXray: I'm not arguing to keep this BLP. I'm just trying to assert that based on the available coverage in RS, the subject meets the WP:N by borderline so a redirect won't hurt. --Saqib (talk) 08:44, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:SIGCOV WP:NOTINHERITED, no notable action done by the subject so far. Per policy, an article created by WP:SOCK in violation of block is a candidate for Speedy Delete per WP:CSDG5 see here--DBig Xrayᗙ 16:12, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non notable and the creation of a banned sock so it qualifies as G5 and is also promotional, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 15:56, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:14, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Norman Wielsch[edit]

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Nil notability outside California.

Extremely local coverage in light of his imprisonment. WP:BLP1E fits precisely.

Also, the concerns of BLP violation (as he is a lesser-known figure and the article is compelled to paint him in an entirely negative light) applies well-enough. ∯WBG^converse 14:40, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom: local coverage with no depth or |persistence. —SerialNumber54129^{paranoia /cheap sh*t room} 15:21, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above and especially per BLP Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:15, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep or Merge~~ Redirect to ~~Dirty DUI scandal~~ Chris Butler (private investigator) There is a detailed discussion of the crime in Hamid R. Ekbia (2015). "Heteronomous Humans and Autonomous Agents: Toward Artificial Relational Intelligence". Beyond Artificial Intelligence. Topics in Intelligent Engineering and Informatics. 9. Springer: 66–77. doi:10.1007/978-3-319-09668-1_5. ISBN 978-3-319-09667-4., which indicates more than 'local' interest, along with news articles in 2011, 2012 and 2013. There is also considerable of newspaper coverage in various local and regional newspapers, mostly Oakland Tribune and Contra Costa Times but a couple hit the wires as well, which show up in ProQuest. According to one article Karl Fischer (16 February 2012). "Two national TV shows to feature East Bay "Dirty DUI" scandal". Oakland Tribune. the scandal drew enough attention to be featured on two national TV shows, although the shows themselves may not be RS.
Although there seems to be enough material to support an article it may be preferable from a BLP perspective to create an article which discusses the entirety of the scandal and then redirect this to that article. Regardless, there is enough here for deletion to not be the answer. Jbh ^Talk 16:22, 2 September 2018 (UTC) Last edited: 00:40, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Jbhunley, you have either not read the part of the book, in it's entirety or you are over-exaggerating the coverage.This uses the example of the crime to merely provide an interesting introduction to the broader theme of the chapter.Nothing else of any merit (it again mentions a comment by the author, on the crime at the very ending:-)).I have the book and can email you, per your wish.

It's obviously expected that the crime will be covered in Californian/Bay-specific version of news-websites or dailies.And, news by transcript-services which regurgitate Press releases by Dept. of Justice??....... ∯WBG^converse 16:36, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, I checked the book source and was very unimpressed Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
True. All I could see was the two page introduction although I do think that the plain fact that it was seen as unique/significant enough to server as 'an interesting introduction' shows that the matter has reached beyond the bubble of being merely a local event. Jbh ^Talk 16:50, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe Merge with Chris_Butler_(private_investigator), where there's ton of information (really, probably too much per NOTNEWS) on the dirty DUI thing, to create an article on the scandal? I'm not comfortable with the article staying like this, howeverGalobtter (pingó mió) 16:37, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have no objection the creation of Dirty DUI scandal and redirecting this Norman Wielsch to that. Jbh ^Talk 16:50, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Anecdotal usage in a book or journal source should not qualify as grounds for a BLP. Ceoil (talk) 16:45, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The coverage in that article was far from trivial or 'in passing'. It consists of ~150-170 words detailing the crime. The point though, as I said above, is that the mere fact that the author of the paper saw this particular crime by this particular person to be significant enough to introduce and illustrate their point makes the material of more than 'local' interest. The topic being of only local interest is one of the reasons given for deletion and the article is presented as refutation of that. Jbh ^Talk 17:03, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nope.I can send you several chapters of multiple books that draws upon completely-non-notable-events (which might be fringe enough), just to give a perfect introduction to the heavy dosage of jargon that will follow....... ∯WBG^converse 17:35, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - At best, NOTNEWS. At worst, this is nothing but an attack bio. Never should have been created in the first place. Carrite (talk) 17:35, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Textbook WP:BLPCRIME / WP:NOTNEWS. Arrests and convictions are routine things to turn up in the news, but I don't think we should write articles about them until we have sustained national news coverage over a significant timeframe. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 17:48, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails any conceivable bar for notability. Guy (Help!) 20:22, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTNEWS Fails Significant coverage over the years. only mentioned for his arrest.--DBig Xrayᗙ 20:43, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BLP1E as well as several other reasons given above. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and others. Coverage is not sufficient to enable us to write an account of this person's life, which is in any case not of encyclopaedic interest. His name could be added to a List of convicted policemen (if we have one). Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 08:27, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not sure why this is on the geography list, but fails WP:BLP1E pretty clearly, not easily solved by a redirect. SportingFlyer talk 01:44, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete doesn't pass WP:GNG ,so it's a delete for me. JC7V-constructive zone 16:52, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ as per WP:BLP1E.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:58, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Chris Butler (private investigator)#Arrest. Wielsch gets some standalone mentions as a cop gone bad in national outlets, e.g. [23], and he was involved (in a secondary yet significant role) in a series of crimes that meets NCRIME (beyond copious media - local and non-local for the wider Butler operation, see this academic source), that is better covered in the redirect target. The name itself is a plausible search term.Icewhiz (talk) 07:52, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Chris Butler (private investigator). Having fun! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 03:18, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Chris Butler (private investigator)#Arrest, where it's already covered.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:30, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - for now. If more info available in the future, recreate.BabbaQ (talk) 12:51, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and salt per all other delete votes here. Emily Khine (talk) 20:16, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 20:25, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Carl Marino[edit]

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I'm seeing nothing outside typical trivial coverage in local-news-pieces.Fails WP:GNG and WP:BLPN. ∯WBG^converse 14:33, 2 September 2018 (UTC)and WP:NACTOR 10:45, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Obviously fails the WP:GNG and the WP:NACTOR. -- LACaliNYC ✉ 18:23, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete having a role in a TV show does not add up to notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) KCVelaga (talk) 02:26, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Anasuya Sengupta[edit]

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A trivial case of BLP1E, wherein all mentions in reliable media-units mention her in the context of one of the lines of her poem being recited by Clinton.

What else?! (Random interviews don't add any to notability.)

I see that the creator does seem to possess an extreme adulation for wikimedia-personalities.∯WBG^converse 14:09, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Winged Blades of Godric. I take umbrage at your scurrilous comment about "extreme adulation" – and it is a cheap shot to link to an ANI. Please redact this off-topic comment. I consider it to be a personal attack. Thank you. Having fun! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 08:16, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, well referenced article about a person and a poem which had an effect on international relations and a book by Hillary Clinton. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:02, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Randy Kryn, WP:BLP1E? And, we're meeting after a long time:-) ∯WBG^converse 15:13, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are a memorable editor. The one event is a pretty good one, and she has done other things, including a stint as a Wikimedia official. Wikipedia is now set-in-stone enough in society that people who've worked there, or made major accomplishments here, should be as notable as any other participants of a unique knowledge force. The sources and references are strong. I don't get the reasoning of one-event guidelines, although I haven't memorized it. Seems many people are justifiably notable for one event, and then we have major league baseball, where if a person under a major-league contract walks on the field for one inning and then is never heard of or never does anything notable again they are automatically considered notable and article-worthy. Being the catalyst for Hillary Clinton, in events aimed to shift the public's perception and actions towards women in society, "ain't nuttin to sneeze at". Randy Kryn (talk) 17:12, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Enough coverage and beyond BLP1E too. The subject has received International media including BBC^[1] and NYT coverage for her Poem used and recited by Clinton.^[2] Other than that, Coverage in BBC for her work in Wikimedia^[3] she has been covered for her social work in support of women and her NGO.^[4]^[5] Has been a speaker at summits Mozilla and MIT.^[6]^[7]^[8]--DBig Xrayᗙ 20:26, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Beary, Habib (June 27, 2003). "Indian's silence speaks to Hillary". BBC News. Archived from the original on June 10, 2004. Retrieved November 26, 2017.
^ Chakravarthy, Smitha (August 7, 2003). "The Hindu : A poem that moved a Clinton". The Hindu. Archived from the original on January 17, 2004. Retrieved November 26, 2017.
^ "Who edits Wikipedia?, Newshour - BBC World Service". BBC.
^ "Anasuya Sengupta - SheSource Expert - Women's Media Center". www.womensmediacenter.com.
^ "Anasuya Sengupta Wants to Diversify Wikipedia - The Teal Mango". 1 August 2018.
^ Mozilla (27 February 2018). "How to Build an Internet With Us, Not For Us - Anasuya Sengupta and Siko Bouterse at MozFest" – via YouTube.
^ "Grand Challenges Summit keynote: Anasuya Sengupta by MIT Webcast".
^ MITLibraries (25 June 2018). "Grand Challenges Keynote: Anasuya Sengupta" – via YouTube.

Keep I struggled to find good sources, but I've identified a few and expanded the article a bit. I'm confident that improvement, not deletion, is the answer here. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 21:37, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment this is a case of borderline-notability for a person affiliated with the Foundation. It is definitely not a WP:BLP1E. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:55, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There is no strong claim to notability and the article itself with mentions of Wikipedia connections adds up to navel gazing on Wikipedia's part.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:11, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The amount of coverage in this article dealing with Wikipedia amounts to one small sentence. Most of the article has nothing to do with it. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 08:43, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Once you negate that, it shifts to a BLP1E case or so I believe.I'll try to provide a detailed analysis of available sourcing, though... ∯WBG^converse 11:45, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Good sourcing and I've found reviews of more of her work. Passes GNG and probably CREATIVE. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:25, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The subject has received significant coverage in recent years and thus meets the criteria set forth in WP:GNG. MBlaze Lightning 06:15, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: meets WP:CREATIVE per review of available sources. K.e.coffman (talk) 08:26, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:GNG. Sources mentioned in RS are reliable. Accesscrawl (talk) 13:44, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 07:57, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. No support for deletion. (non-admin closure) Atlantic306 (talk) 17:31, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of most-viewed YouTube channels[edit]

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The list of top channels fails WP:LISTN. The "Historical progression" section may be merged to YouTube. wumbolo ^^^ 13:44, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The article has enough sources discussing the most-viewed YouTube channels to establish the notability of the topic. The "Historical progression" section parallels the "Historical progression" sections on List of most-subscribed YouTube channels and List of most-viewed YouTube videos. Also, the YouTube article makes no mention of the most-subscribed channels or most-viewed videos either. Maestro2016 (talk) 13:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But these "sources" are unreliable. wumbolo ^^^ 13:49, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The nomination is proposing merger and that's not done by deletioon -- see WP:MAD. Andrew D. (talk) 21:37, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I did not seriously propose a merger. This article is very poorly written and the topic would only deserve a couple of sentences of mention on YouTube, which would be written anew. wumbolo ^^^ 06:54, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as I think it's notable enough to have it's own article. VibeScepter (talk) (contributions) 22:38, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Several sources are listed that discuss the most-viewed YouTube channels as a subject, which covers WP:LISTN. The main article YouTube is plenty long enough that I think this should be kept stand-alone rather than merging. › Mortee _talk 17:57, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
These listed sources aren't reliable. Which ones are you referring to specifically? wumbolo ^^^ 18:00, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. postdlf (talk) 12:56, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seven Oaks Country Club[edit]

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Not notable golf course. Hosting a second-tier pro event isn't enough. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 14:57, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable golf course.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:56, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete was hoping to save this one based on the WP:GNG with sources, considering it once hosted a professional event, but I can't find any that aren't routine golf directory/wedding/real estate listings. SportingFlyer talk 01:48, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. The argument that notability is somehow restricted to certain countries is not based in policy and nobody disputed that such coverage exists. So Why 15:39, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2NB[edit]

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Fails WP:NMUSIC. Referenced chart does not show the songs of this band. » Shadowowl | talk 16:50, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Just a look at the Korean WP article and there is in-depth coverage of this band showing passing WP:NMUSIC. [24][25]--Oakshade (talk) 01:07, 27 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The article fails to show any notability. Even if this artist has notability in Korea, I don't think it has any place in the English-language WP.Tuzapicabit (talk) 07:46, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Per Tuzapicabit.Grapefruit17 (talk) 22:23, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Oakshade. In-depth coverage in reliable sources does exist, enough to pass WP:NMUSIC and WP:GNG. Sources don't need to be in English in order to help establish notability.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 15:16, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:11, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

FETO Records[edit]

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Unsourced and lacking notability. ~SML • TP 16:16, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) KCVelaga (talk) 02:25, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sadaf Kanwal[edit]

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This BLP was a redirection before User:RidaJunejo (now blocked for socking) recreated it. Fails WP:NACTOR. Only one film role which is not significant and received only one award which is not in itself grounds for WP:N. Actress lacks non-trivial coverage from independent reliable sources so fails GNG. Saqib (talk) 13:14, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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This can be now safely deleted under G5. --Saqib (talk) 21:30, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Article is well-sourced, actress won an award in 2017 and has a significant role in a new TV series this year. Previously-redirected version from 2016 was indeed weak.[26] Current article is miles above that. — JFG ^talk 14:05, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per JFG. I'd say this scrapes through GNG. Also, I'm not sure if G5 would apply here - it was originally created by User:Artchino, who didn't created it in violation of a block or ban, and at the time it actually wasn't a redirect. Special:PermaLink/674696816--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 19:32, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - she passes WP:Notability_(people)#Entertainers for her role in Balu Mahi and her modeling career where she won a 2017 Hum Style Award. ^{Atsme📞📧} 16:57, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete I've ended this a bit early due to issues with undisclosed paid editors, but fundamentally the issue came down to two arguments. On the one side it was argued that there was coverage of the subject in multiple sources (JC7V, Cr@Z Kit-Kat Lover), while on the other it was argued that none of the sources met the requirements for GNG (Papaursa, Sandals1, K.e.coffman, SportingFlyer). In the end, I felt that the concerns raised on the delete side, that the article failed to pass the bar of GNG, were stronger. - Bilby (talk) 01:43, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Paddy Steinfort[edit]

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Notability of this person is not inherited by working for notable organisations. The level of independent coverage about him is insufficient to meet WP:GNG Joseph2302 (talk) 08:57, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment what a terrible article. Former AFL first round draft pick for Richmond, but was a total draft bust and never played an AFL game. Possible coverage including here, which is WP:ROUTINE, but exists: [27] The Athletic article is good for WP:GNG but the rest appears to be non-NPOV fluff. Watching this but if I don't respond again, read this as a delete vote. SportingFlyer talk 12:38, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per my comment above, fails WP:GNG. SportingFlyer talk 11:37, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Bit weak but passes WP:GNG and scrapes WP:NAUTHOR, per cite 19, and contribution to additional collective works. Govvy (talk) 12:46, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The page doesn't clearly meet the notability guidelines for persons WP:GNG. I checked the available sources before speedy deletion. The creator of the article also appears to be a Spam/advertising-only account, likely covert advertising and failure to disclose paid contributions. Bradgd (talk) 15:26, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep While I agree that the page needs to be tidied, properly cited and edited for tone; there are plenty of sources available, therefore this page has the potential to be a good addition to the encyclopaedia providing the issues are fixed and all traces of paid editing are removed. Cr@Z Kit-Kat Lover^t@lk 14:48, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Added source to show he never played in the AFL for Richmond, despite the article's original claim of playing for them for five years. Doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG or any SNG. Coverage is routine sports reporting based on being hired by various teams. Writing an article does not mean he meets WP:NAUTHOR. If the keep voters can show the significant independent coverage they claim exists, I'm willing to change my vote. Papaursa (talk) 17:41, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Steinfort was covered significantly by Herald SunSteinfort back at Mazenod | Herald Sun Adelaide staff member to accompany Crows on end-of-season trip to Thailand | Herald Sun, THE ATHLETICHow a dying coach in Australia nudged Paddy Steinfort onto a winding road to the Blue Jays – The Athletic, The AdvertiserThe day Phil Walsh eulogised his mate Dean Bailey as told by Paddy Steinfort, SPORTSNETBlue Jays' Roberto Osuna feeling 'anxious and weird' - Sportsnet.ca. I'd say he clearly meets WP:GNG, WP:NAFL, WP:SPORTCRIT through significant, non-routine coverage. Kevroby (talk) 21:04, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I don't think he is notable as an author (his only book is held by just 36 libraries according to WorldCat Identities) but definitely notable as a sportsperson winning the Larke Medal, playing for various teams and being a coach. -- Gprscrippers (talk) 16:38, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Larke medal is for the under-18 championships and junior awards don't usual confer notability nor does playing for several minor league teams. He was never a head coach just an assistant for different teams so he fails to meet WP:NAFL or any other SNG. That means he needs to meet WP:GNG to be notable and, as I said above, I'm waiting for someone to show me the necessary coverage. Papaursa (talk) 18:51, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Many sources showing this subject meets WP:GNG, won a Larke Medal and some significnace from being an author (though probably not meeting WP:Author) so its a pass.JC7V-constructive zone 22:42, 19 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For one last time, someone please point two or three of the "many sources showing this subject meets WP:GNG" so that I can see the significant independent coverage of him in reliable sources. People keep claiming he meets WP:GNG, but no one has been willing to show me the sources--even though I've said I'm willing to change my vote if presented with actual evidence instead of general vague statements. Papaursa (talk) 00:51, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's not just one source, its taking everything and every source together (Larkin award, wrote a book that is somewhat significant, wrote guest articles for Psychology Today, works with pro sports teams, was drafted by an AFL squad (I know he didn't play for them). I feel based on everything together he barely meets WP:GNG. I feel his inclusion (without the fluff) would be a Net Positive. JC7V-constructive zone 01:12, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but it seems like you're claiming he's notable because he did lots of different things, although he didn't do any of them well enough to be notable in that field. In addition, you're claiming that lots of routine coverage combined is enough to meet WP:GNG although you can't find individual sources that provide the significant independent non-routine coverage required by that standard. For some reason, I'm reminded of one of my old coaches who said, "If you want to win the high jump you find one person who can jump 7 feet, not 7 people who can jump 1 foot." Papaursa (talk) 02:39, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, let's agree to disagree. Thank you for your input and for your vote. JC7V-constructive zone 04:32, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Doesn't meet any notability standards and I don't believe the sources mentioned are enough to meet the GNG. Success as a junior doesn't usually count for sports notability. Sandals1 (talk) 03:11, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: does not meet WP:ANYBIO; not notable as either "author, performance coach or leadership consultant". Sources are passing mentions and / or WP:SPIP. Highly promotional. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:15, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I'd say Steinfort is notable while the page itself was poorly written, primarily in the type of references used, which I think would seem tricky when assessing the notability of the subject. I have taken out most of the fluff, reduced promotional tone, removed self-published articles and profiles. Kevroby (talk) 20:45, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 20:24, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Air Ticket[edit]

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Band with no strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC, and no strong reliable source coverage to support it. This is based almost entirely on primary sources (like their own website, ticket sales sites and CDBaby) that cannot support notability at all, with the only evidence of media coverage being a short blurb in their hometown local weekly on the occasion of their playing a show at the local youth centre. All of which means that nothing here passes NMUSIC, and the sourcing isn't strong enough to get them over GNG. Bearcat (talk) 23:05, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:NMUSIC per nom. Article comes across as promotional in nature as well due to the fact that the only sources involved seem to be primary in nature (again, per nom).--White Shadows ^{Let’s Talk} 02:04, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. A fairly bizarre article. The entire biography seems to set up the band's formation and then ends before the release of their debut album, only from the infobox do we see that the band didn't last much longer than that. Clearly not notable.Tuzapicabit (talk) 07:51, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. So Why 15:37, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

IMPERIAL-Newton Corp[edit]

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I do not see anything notable about this company. The article is an advert for the company that was created by an employee of the company. This was a contested PROD by the creator. ~ GB fan 13:02, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - advert for unnotable metalbasher. . . Mean as custard (talk) 16:45, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Preserve - Not an advert, not created by employee. Mentioned in other categories by public, and notable for multiple reasons including manufacture of largest impact sockets in world, more than 480,000 sizes and shapes no other brand makes, as well as introduction of new lengths and drive sizes never previously created before by any brand. Notability must consist of more than advertising budget and stock listing? There are many similar companies listed here which are not unique but merely semi-recognizable names, as opposed to being notable for doing something unique within an industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlueDog111 (talk • contribs) 20:06, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- It does read like an advertisement and while you say you didn't create it the account that created is the same account you are editing from right now. You say this account was given to you. You have been told that is not allowed and you continue to edit from this account. Other companies having articles means absolutely nothing about this article. The only thing that matters is if reliable sources have provided significant coverage of the company. ~ GB fan 22:56, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

please note I did not continue to edit from the account, the edit was done expeditiously to try and correct things, prior to your comment above, and prior to creating this new account used here. I could not find a way to delete or cancel the account in question, if you know how please tell me. The newly edited content is factual and depicts why the company is notable. There is no promotion or call to action, nor solicitation of any kind. If you feel it can be reduced further to contain only fact while retaining the notability, please describe your objection or edit it accordingly we have no objection to any edits of any kind. We are simply interested in preserving a page that was created about us. disclosure: I work for the company.--Wiki5711 (talk) 02:00, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete absolutely no sourcing exists for WP:NCORP and WP:NOTPROMO Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:07, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No indications of notability, fails WP:SPIP, GNG and WP:NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 22:21, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Redirect (the "merger" argument sounds more like a redirect argument to me) at editorial discretion. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:26, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jovanka Beckles[edit]

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Candidate for election to state legislature. One of 2 candidates running on her Party's ticket (it works like that in California,) she garnered a flurry of attention by placing second in the Primary election that selected 2 nominees. Little or no pre-campaign notability, although there is some coverage of prior campaigns, and she was a member city council and vice-mayor of a city of ~100,000 pop. Democratic Socialists of America candidates, 2018 election is a potential target for a REDIRECT. E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:15, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The election isn't until November. The brief flurry of post-election coverage is WP:BLP1E. I can see an excellent argument for moving this to somebody's user space. But I am wary of setting a precedent for keeping candidate articles based on an argument that boils down to : it's OK to start/keep an article about a candidate as long as you are sure that they will win....E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:16, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unelected candidates are almost never notable, no reason to make an exception here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:55, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, without prejudice against recreation in November if she wins. Wikipedia does not deal in the realm of election predictions, so the fact that a candidate is considered likely to win the election is not a notability claim in and of itself — our notability criteria are based on what's already true today, not what new things that aren't already true today might become true in the future. And since every candidate in every election always generates some coverage in their district's local media during the campaign, the fact that said coverage exists is not an automatic WP:GNG pass in and of itself either. If she does win the election in November, then the article can be recreated as her notability claim will have changed to one that guarantees a Wikipedia article — but simply being a candidate as of today is not enough. (And no, Richmond CA is not a large enough city to confer automatic notability on its city councillors, either.) Bearcat (talk) 16:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Bearcat. SportingFlyer talk 18:55, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Democratic Socialists of America candidates, 2018 election#California as useful search term. While not covered outside of local sources now, we have a parent article set up to collect this bio's sourced contents. czar 20:04, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 19:59, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vinnie Vineyard[edit]

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Paraphrased from the original AfD OK, so there are multiple possible claims to notability, but I found none of them hold the water. A third-party unsuccessful political candidate to a state parliament is hardly worth mentioning; same for a DJ at local radio stations. The wrestling career falls short of WP:WRESTLING. PRehse (talk) 12:29, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Being a non-winning fringe party candidate in a gubernatorial election is not an automatic free pass over WP:NPOL, and nothing else here represents a notability or sourceability improvement over the prior version. Bearcat (talk) 19:44, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NPOL. The other aspects of his professional career don't appear notable either in their fields. Teemu08 (talk) 03:05, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NPOL. SportingFlyer talk 18:54, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NPOL. A non0notable candidate with a varied but non-notable pre-candidacy career.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:07, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Unelected politician. Carrite (talk) 14:27, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Before renominating, consider redirecting/merging to Pennsylvania House of Representatives election, 2018. So Why 15:37, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Summer Lee[edit]

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Summer Lee is a previously non-notable individual currently running for the state legislature. She has received ROUTINE coverage. Democratic Socialists of America candidates, 2018 election is a potential target for a REDIRECT. E.M.Gregory (talk) 12:01, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Question: Since the article states she faces no opposition in the November election and will become a state senator, won't she meet notability criteria then (WP:NPOL)? It might be better to keep it now rather than to just have it legitimately recreated in 2 months. Peacock (talk) 13:05, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to set a precedent along the lines, of: it's OK to start an article about a candidate as long as you are sure that they will win.... Article's creator and sole editor User:Sfeldman can agree or request that this be moved to user space (and/or other unelected candidates articles they have started article about.) They can, of course, be moved back to main space when/if candidates win.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:47, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify the coverage is not so detailed that I want to ignore the standard practice for state legislature candidates. There's also no reason to delete this, per PCock. Moving to draft until November seems the best option, though a keep (partially invoking IAR) would also be reasonable. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:58, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:IAR. With no opposition, she will become clearly notable in a short period of time. I don't think that a very short-term deletion on a technicality is consistent with Wikipedia's mission. Teemu08 (talk) 03:08, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unelected candidates for office are not notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:43, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. As near as I can tell, Pennsylvania does not simply acclaim uncontested candidates to office the moment the primaries are over — the state follows a process whereby she still has to actually get actual votes from actual voters on general election day before she's actually declared as the rep-elect. As much of a meaningless formality as this may seem, it's not — with two months still to go before election day and another month after that before the newly elected legislators actually have their status bumped up from rep-elect to incumbent officeholder, it remains entirely possible in the meantime that an "uncontested" candidate could withdraw their candidacy for personal or professional or scandal reasons, or die in a car accident, and thus not actually become the actual rep. (And for that matter, while I don't know if Pennsylvania is one of them or not, there are some jurisdictions where even an unopposed candidate still has to beat an explicit "none of the above" option on election day to actually win the election.) So her running unopposed is not, in and of itself, a reason to waive WP:NPOL — even if the election itself looks like a formality, there still do remain ways in which she could fail to actually become the incumbent representative. She still has to go into general election day as a person who actually gets voted for by the voters of her district, and power-enwiki is correct that the coverage shown so far is not so compelling as to exempt her from being treated the same way as everybody else who has to get voted for by the voters of their districts first — and furthermore, there appear to be at least six other districts across the state where a non-incumbent Democratic or Republican candidate is also running unopposed, without any of those other candidates besides Lee and Innamorato having been deemed automatically article-worthy by any Wikipedia editor yet. So it's "inevitable" enough that we should permit this to be held in draftspace, while making sure to clarify that draftspacing it is not otherwise setting a precedent to allow routine draftification of just any article about just any candidate — but it's not "inevitable" enough to grant her a mainspace exemption from NPOL yet, because as of today there are still ways in which she could not actually become a state legislator in December. Bearcat (talk) 17:23, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify It is still possible that a write-in candidate can win the election. As it stands this can be recreated when the election has passed, assuming she wins. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 20:38, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Full-length profiles written independently by journalists in the New Yorker, New Pittsburgh Courier, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, and Root satisfy WP:GNG, WP:BASIC, and WP:NPOL (criterion 2). WP:COMMONOUTCOMES#Candidates cannot overrule these guidelines; see WP:CONLIMITED.

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Keep per GNG and if not that easily passes NPOL, per FourViolas. Depth and breadth of national and local press mentions. JesseRafe (talk) 15:47, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Before renominating, consider merging to Pennsylvania House of Representatives election, 2018 So Why 15:36, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sara Innamorato[edit]

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Candidate for state legislative seat with no claim to notability before this campaign. Campaign coverage is mostly local, with some national mentions as one of a group of Democratic Socialists of America candidates running this year Democratic Socialists of America candidates, 2018 election is a potential target for a REDIRECT.

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Keep. Her primary win was major news in Pennsylvania and was also covered nationally by the New Yorker, Washington Post, and NPR, among others. The article does not make this clear, but she is unopposed in the general election and therefore the presumptive representative-elect for her district; statewide office holders are presumed notable per WP:POLITICIAN, including those who have not yet assumed office. The article could definitely use some work but she easily passes WP:GNG and is a clear keep for me. Camerafiend (talk) 14:44, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

However, the election isn't until November. That brief, minor flurry of post-election is WP:BLP1E. I can see an excellent argument for moving this to somebody's user space. But I am wary of setting a precedent for keeping candidate articles based on an argument that boils down to : it's OK to start/keep an article about a candidate as long as you are sure that they will win....E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:14, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's true that something unexpected might happen and she could end up not being elected (which might in itself be notable depending on the circumstances). If she quietly drops out of the race and we never hear from her again, then yes, this can and should be deleted as BLP1E. But barring an unforeseen event, she will formally win office in two months and I don't really see the harm in letting the article exist in the meantime. (That said, it looks like others are leaning toward draftifying and that seems like an acceptable compromise to me.) Camerafiend (talk) 20:03, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify the coverage is not so detailed that I want to ignore the standard practice for state legislature candidates. There's also no reason to delete this. Moving to draft until November seems the best option, though a keep (partially invoking IAR) would also be reasonable. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:59, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unelected candidates are not notable. Wikipedia is not news, so we do not have the fleeting news reasons to cover such people that the NYT and other newspapers have.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:30, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. As near as I can tell, Pennsylvania does not simply acclaim uncontested candidates to office the moment the primaries are over — the state follows a process whereby she still has to actually get actual votes from actual voters on general election day before she's actually declared as the rep-elect. As much of a meaningless formality as this may seem, it's not — with two months still to go before election day and another month after that before the newly elected legislators actually have their status bumped up from rep-elect to incumbent officeholder, it remains entirely possible in the meantime that an "uncontested" candidate could withdraw their candidacy for personal or professional or scandal reasons, or die in a car accident, and thus not actually become the actual rep. (And for that matter, while I don't know if Pennsylvania is one of them or not, there are some jurisdictions where even an unopposed candidate still has to beat an explicit "none of the above" option on election day to actually win the election.) So her running unopposed is not, in and of itself, a reason to waive WP:NPOL — even if the election itself looks like a formality, there still do remain ways in which she could fail to actually become the incumbent representative. She still has to go into general election day as a person who actually gets voted for by the voters of her district, and power-enwiki is correct that the coverage shown so far is not so compelling as to exempt her from being treated the same way as everybody else who has to get voted for by the voters of their districts first — and furthermore, there appear to be at least six other districts across the state where a non-incumbent Democratic or Republican candidate is also running unopposed, without any of those other candidates besides Lee and Innamorato having been deemed automatically article-worthy by any Wikipedia editor yet. So it's "inevitable" enough that we should permit this to be held in draftspace, while making sure to clarify that draftspacing it is not otherwise setting a precedent to allow routine draftification of just any article about just any candidate — but it's not "inevitable" enough to grant her a mainspace exemption from NPOL yet, because as of today there are still ways in which she could not actually become a state legislator in December. Bearcat (talk) 17:24, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect without prejudice of recreation once November rolls around - we cannot presume she will win, even if she is running unopposed. I would consider this to be a similar case to a young footballer who hasn't yet appeared for the first team, but is likely to shortly - it's simply just WP:TOOSOON. I'd vote to draftify, but I think a redirection to whatever state legislative election page we can find is a better option, since there's not much to the article - the link to her campaign website violates WP:PROMO. SportingFlyer talk 02:03, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There's no need to WP:IAR, because there is no policy or guideline against keeping articles on unelected candidates. WP:NPOL explicitly says that Just being [...] an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article". It's uncontested that she passes GNG, and her high probability of assuming office is a further reason to keep the article. FourViolas (talk) 15:56, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not convinced it does meet GNG; the coverage is largely local and about one event (her primary victory). A profile in Elle magazine probably doesn't help, and a NYTimes article only has trivial mentions of her (in the context of that one event). power~enwiki (π, ν) 16:52, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly there is more than significant coverage in reliable (local and regional) news sources independent of the candidate (Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Tribune-Review, Pittsburgh City Paper); that's all that is necessary to pass GNG. Beyond this, shorter discussions in nationwide sources (NYT, Economist, New Yorker demonstrate broad interest, and per WP:BASIC they could be combined to establish notability even if no regional sources were considered. There is coverage of Innamorato throughout her campaign, not just of the event of winning the primary; see the first article I just linked. FourViolas (talk) 18:38, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think she passes WP:GNG either. Almost all political candidates will receive coverage of their political campaigns. There's nothing in my search showing this campaign will be particularly notable if she were to lose the upcoming election - it all seems promotional or routine. SportingFlyer talk 18:51, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GNG says nothing about whether an article subject is a "particularly notable" example of the category it belongs to—this is a perpetual misperception of people unfamiliar with WP:N and misled by the ordinary usage of "notability". The fact that politicians whose campaigns are of interest to the public regularly receive coverage is hardly a reason to ignore the coverage when it exists; see WP:NOTROUTINE#Politics. WP:ROUTINE is supposed to apply to things like wedding announcements and crime logs; it would apply if the only coverage to be found merely stated that she declared her candidacy and received x% of the vote, which is clearly not the case here. FourViolas (talk) 20:37, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but just because someone is in the news for a short period of time doesn't automatically qualify them for an article. Consensus shows unelected candidates are frequently redirected/draftifyed in order to avoid several "what Wikipedia is not" concerns. I don't see why this candidate would be any different. (She's likely to win and I'm arguing for consistency's sake.) SportingFlyer talk 21:24, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If there's a local consensus to this effect, we need to have a centralized RfC about it, because it directly contradicts the text of both WP:BASIC and WP:NPOL, and we work by the PAG: see WP:CONLIMITED. Personally, I think it's very valuable to give voters a convenient summary of what secondary sources have to say about the people asking for their vote, and accordingly I think articles on candidates should be kept whenever there is enough coverage in independent reliable secondary sources (addressing WP:NOTPROMO) to say more than a sentence or two about them. FourViolas (talk) 14:21, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think that an RfC on recognizing the notability of major party candidates for the U.S. Senate, for Governor in, say, the 10 largest states by pop., and possibly the U.S. Congress might be worth doing (after Election Day.) But keeping candidates for a seat in a state legislature goes too far. I did look at press coverage before nomination, but this is not Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez level coverage, not even close.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:26, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with you - the NPOL note distinctly says, "A politician who has received "significant press coverage" has been written about, in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles, by journalists." If those sources exist, they are not on her article at the moment. If you look at the Politicians articles for deletion page, we frequently delete failed candidates. Once you're notable on Wikipedia, you're always notable, and simply running for office does not automatically make you notable - it makes you a part of the news cycle for a bit, unless you receive continuing significant coverage. SportingFlyer talk 19:20, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Of the first two sources I linked, do you dispute that they are news feature articles, that they are written by journalists, or that they contain in-depth coverage of Innamorato?

And regardless, the point I'm making is that pending a RfC on the working consensus you claim, there's no policy or guideline justifying the routine deletion of failed candidates because they are only notable as failed candidates; WP:NTEMP cuts the opposite way, saying that once a topic has been the subject of "significant coverage" in accordance with the general notability guideline, it does not need to have ongoing coverage. FourViolas (talk) 21:19, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

FourViolas, have you taken a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Common outcomes#Candidates?E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:54, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As I repeatedly wrote, there is no policy or guideline allowing editors to ignore BASIC, GNG, and NPOL in the case of unelected candidates. If this really is a consensus among people who watchlist politician AfDs, all the more reason to bring it to the broader community to be ratified. FourViolas (talk) 22:47, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And as noted, there are a number of "what Wikipedia is not" which typically apply. WP:RECENT/WP:NOTNEWS, WP:10Y, WP:NPOV, WP:NOTCRYSTAL and WP:PROMO all apply to unelected candidates - and NPOL specifically says unelected candidates are not presumptively notable. SportingFlyer talk 23:07, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Not presumptively notable" is different from "presumptively not notable", and (as I wrote in my !vote) the guideline explicitly states that meeting GNG is a way for such candidates to be notable anyway.
NOTNEWS says that breaking news should not [...] treated differently from other information; a half-dozen in-depth articles in reliable sources about a candidate who ran for office in 1918 would certainly be enough to establish notability, so why not 2018?
NPOV requires fairly representing all reliably published views, and says nothing about notability (that only comes up in WP:FRINGE, which certainly doesn't apply presumptively to all unelected candidates!)
I don't know why you think NOTCRYSTAL is relevant, unless you're begging the question by assuming that actually holding office is the only way for a politician to become notable. NPOL is clear that the latter is not the case.
PROMO is certainly something to watch out for on the article for any active politician, incumbent or not. But unless the only available sources for a politician are partisan outlets of questionable independence, this is not a deletion rationale.

And once again, this is not the place for this discussion. Under the current notability guidelines, Innamorato is a clear keep. You're offering general reasons in favor of changing those policies in the case of unelected candidates; if you think these arguments will win over the community (despite the kinds of objections I just gave), we should start a RfC. Until then, the guidelines that currently exist take precedence. FourViolas (talk) 23:54, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We're going to have to agree to disagree, then - there's not much on her specifically (lots of it is about her in the larger context of the dem socialist wave), and what articles are appear local. Furthermore, this (and the small number of pure keep votes so far) is consistent with consensus: see recently Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/John_Turner_(Texas_politician), Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shawn_Moody_(2nd_nomination), Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Joe_Manchik, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bill_Lee_(Tennessee_politician), Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Renee_Hoyos, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/John_James_(Michigan_politician) and as a counterpoint see also Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Pete_Stauber, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Danny_O'Connor_(Ohio_politician) and Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Rebekah_Kennedy for an unelected candidate who failed the real-life ten-year test. SportingFlyer talk 00:22, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I believe there's a consensus among currently active watchers of politicians-related AfDs; I think that was already clear. But per OSE and CONLIMITED, that consensus does not overrule the notability guidelines (which do not require non-local sources for politicians, just reliable independent in-depth ones like this). FourViolas (talk) 00:38, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify Like I said below, there is still the theoretical possibility that a write-in candidate wins the race. Until then, I think a draft is the best option. This is just a PA Rep race, not a national one. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 21:56, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per GNG and if not that easily passes NPOL, per Camerafiend and FourViolas. Depth and breadth of national press mentions. JesseRafe (talk) 15:46, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to King of the Hill (season 4). Vanamonde (talk) 15:59, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bills are Made to Be Broken[edit]

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I made a Google search with a sole intention of improving this article but I could not find reliable sources that would guarantee WP:Notability. It is a season program of a notable set. I made some slight changes to it nonetheless but still feel it doesn't meet inclusion. I thus thought of letting it go through an AfD rather than a direct QD. Regards SkillsM674 (talk) 11:24, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete based on current content. As explained at Wikipedia:Television episodes, "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. It is important to bear this in mind when creating articles, and it is likely that each individual episode of a television series will not be notable on its own, simply because there are not enough secondary sources available." Without secondary sources, this episode should not have an article of its own. However, if the article creator thinks they can find sources to justify keeping the article, then as an alternative the article can be userfied. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:47, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Metropolitan90: would you consider striking your comment so this AfD can be G5'd? wumbolo ^^^ 09:24, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to King of the Hill (season 4) per WP:ATD-R. Regards So Why 15:33, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep, withdrawn. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:07, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas P. Dooley[edit]

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Fails the general notability guideline soundly. Possibly a WP:AUTOBIO. May meet the subject-specific guideline for academics under criterion 3, as a Postdoctoral Fellow of the Helen Hay Whitney Foundation and/or criterion 5, as an endowed chair at Southern Research Institute. However, I'm not sure whether the Whitney Foundation counts as "a major scholarly society for which Fellowship is a highly selective honor", nor whether the SRI counts as "a major institution of higher education and research". Tera TIX 10:59, 2 September 2018 (UTC) Bad nomination. Tera TIX 05:49, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Satisfies WP:PROF, with a GScholar h-index of 30, a total of more than three thousand citations there, one paper with 300+ cites and another five with 100+ cites: [28]. James500 (talk) 05:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 19:56, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

YouTube License System[edit]

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Unclear what article is about. Search reveals nothing with the specific name (fails WP:GNG). Reads like an advertisement and or guide. ~ Araratic | talk 06:15, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of users are not informed on the implications of use of Youtube. The article documents them in a referenced manner. bkb (talk) 08:21, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. WP:NOTMANUAL applies. Article is promotional and full of original research. wumbolo ^^^ 15:42, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Sources outside of primary ones are terrible. We already have YouTube copyright issues and YouTube#Community_policy. This isn't even worthy of a redirect. – FenixFeather ^{(talk)(Contribs)} 20:26, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I've been watching this AfD from the start hoping that something keep worthy would come along. But agree with the people above and in particular FenixFeather. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:40, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 19:56, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ash Gupta[edit]

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Doesn't appear to be a notable businessman. Some revisions include information about other people of the same name. The current version doesn't; the refs are all interviews or non-independent bios. power~enwiki (π, ν) 15:12, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The sources in this article are either interviews or non-independent bios, so it fails WP:GNG. He evidently is involved in interesting stuff at work, but by no means does that make someone notable. The nominator also noted there have been major WP:BLP violations until recently, where another persons life was merged into this mans. If he was truly notable, would such a mistake have really happened? Newshunter12 (talk) 06:17, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The article is very promotional. wumbolo ^^^ 15:36, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as failing WP:ANYBIO / WP:PROMO. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:09, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:33, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Great Northern Exhibition[edit]

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Relist following a no-consensus closure of the first discussion, in which nobody actually "voted" one way or the other at all. It is still not referenced well enough to clear our notability standards for annual events, as the only "reference" cited here is the event's own self-published history of itself, not a reliable source that's independent of the event organizers — so the existence of the book is not a WP:GNG pass all by itself in the absence of any other sourcing, and I have been unable to find any other solid sources at all. Bearcat (talk) 16:54, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. I only found interviews, short articles and minor mentions. The Great Exhibition of the North also seems non-notable. wumbolo ^^^ 09:23, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I've found some local coverage, such as [29] [30], but nothing good enough to justify a keep !vote. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:11, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Appears not to be verifiable due to one source only. Though the official site is listed, there's almost no independent coverage, so even if it is verifiable, it isn't notable per the general notability guideline. Redditaddict6 9 21:53, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:58, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Storefront (company)[edit]

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An advertorially-toned page on an unremarkable private company. Significant RS coverage not found; what comes up is passing mentions and / or WP:SPIP. Does not meet WP:NCORP / WP:CORPDEPTH. Created by Special:Contributions/Jeremy112233 currently indef blocked for abusing multiple accounts; see: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jeremy112233. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:39, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The New York Times article would seem to be the best source, both reasonably substantial and independent. TechCrunch may also meet our criteria. However, I've been unable to find sources of any quality beyond those two already cited – most other independent sources are passing mentions only, as the nomination mentions. I'm leaning towards soft delete, with the article recreated iff there is more independent sourcing, but more comments will probably be for the best. — Alpha3031 (t • c) 09:39, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep the two sources provided above satisfy WP:NCORP. wumbolo ^^^ 09:00, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Reply @Wumbolo: I think two sources is generally considered on the low side when it comes to WP:NCORP, especially for a recent company (as opposed to an older one where sources may be less available). What is your evaluation of the tone of the page? — Alpha3031 (t • c) 13:06, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
While there are only two of them, they're both very good. wumbolo ^^^ 13:20, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nom's comment: NYT is a passing mention in an article on a larger topic. TechCrunch is too indiscriminate to be sufficient for notability. See for example the entry for TechCrunch at Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources/Perennial sources. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:49, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete There are no references available that meet the criteria for establishing notability. Neither of the two mentioned above meet the criteria either. As per ORGIND, "Intellectual Independence" states Independent content, in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. The NYT reference relies totally on the company and the founders - no independent opinion/analysys/fact checking/investigation/etc in the article, total churnalism. The TechCrunch reference also fails ORGIND as it is based on a company announcement (even says so in the article). There's always a ton of articles based on funding announcements and this is no exception - here are some more based on the same announcement and they all use the same story facts and quotations: VentureBeat, The NEXT Web, Startup Beat, VC News Daily, Reuters, WWD, etc. HighKing⁺⁺ 10:21, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per HighKing - I looked at the NYT article and it really doesn't have much analysis, just quotes the company, and techcrunch is the epitome of churnalism. WP:NOTPROMO is also a perfectly valid WP:DEL-REASON Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:14, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 19:54, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Babysitters Beware[edit]

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Was prodded back in June and recently recreated. A direct to DVD film, which fails both WP:GNG and WP:NFILM. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:10, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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This isn't a school. Removing from WP:SCHOOLS AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:38, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom and per the fact that it was previously PRODed as being failing WP:NFILM --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 17:29, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete for subject failing WP:NFILM. My turn to pick up the popcorn debris. -The Gnome (talk) 10:41, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I gave this the good old college try as far as source finding goes, but there's just one lone review out there - not enough to pass NFILM. You'd think that more people would be willing to review a Trejo film, but apparently not this one. ReaderofthePack (｡◕‿◕｡) 00:26, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. So Why 15:32, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yonas (hip hop artist)[edit]

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Promotional linkspam article with unreliable sources. Redraftify possible if people finally understand that promotion is not allowed here. » Shadowowl | talk 18:40, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment additional review of potentially reliable sources (not Youtube/IMDB/Itunes shit)

Source	Type	Suitable
[31]	I cannot load this page. Reviewing the URL, I think this is a bad link because it refers to a tag and not an article	Possible
[32]	Mention	No
[33]	Interview	Primary source
[34]	Mention	Yes. It proves the point that they had a tour, but not the previous point about 50 cities. In fact, it says that he toured in less cities making the article having a minor hoax.
[35]	Interview	Primary source
[36]	Promotional reviews that are usergenerated	No

EDIT : New sources added. Let's review them.

Source	Type	Suitable
[37]	Interview	Primary source
[38]	Another interview	Primary source
[39]	Another interview	Primary source

If these are the great sources that decided to move this from draft, we seriously need to consider to who we listen with move requests. » Shadowowl | talk 18:53, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Shadowowl: You appear to be dismissing interviews out of hand as primary sources. This isn't consistent with WP:INTERVIEW whereby the fact of the interview itself may confer notability, and there may be significant secondary material within an interview such as biography or analysis by the interviewer. I'm not saying that the links you classify as interviews do confer notability, but I think you need to build your case for that better than just saying interview=primary source. I checked the first link above and there is a significant biography of the subject in it. While this could still bear investigation, e.g. WP:INTERVIEW warns that some sources ask the subject of an interview to write their own biography, it is certainly completely possible that the bio is secondary information. Ross-c (talk) 11:58, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. I speedied this initially but restored for improvement after a request from an experienced uninvolved editor. I think this version still fails to meet our criteria in terms of notability or sourcing. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:42, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Whatever else is decided, I can't see how all those links to YouTube can be acceptable in the light of Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not YouTube Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:57, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jimfbleak: I agree. The article really needs work to be neutral POV and encyclopaedic. But, that's WP:SOFIXIT. Ross-c (talk) 12:00, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment This is an odd one. I'd expect more coverage for the artist, but the sources are poor. He did have some Billboard entries - [40] (but only one album listed in two charts, therefore the claim that his album has consistently appear in the charts is somewhat dubious) possibly satisfying WP:MUSICBIO, although a lowly position in the chart is not that compelling. Perhaps draftify and see if it can be improved. Hzh (talk) 23:08, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This is an odd one. I found some references to the subject, e.g. [41] The Billboard charting would satisfy WP:NMUSIC, but the link to find out more on Billboard's site is broken - not an indication of lack of notability, just that Billboard's site doesn't work properly. While All Access Music is frequently used as a source on Wikipedia, the title of that article just strikes me as a bit ... odd. There's this: [42], this is local [43], this is from elsewhere, so not just local cover age [44], this is from a magazine [45]. It's not a lot, but I believe this satisfies WP:GNG which added to the WP:NMUSIC of the one charting EP on Billboard (plus other charts mentioned in the article) is enough. Ross-c (talk) 11:40, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom, Youtube can't referee BLP notability requirements. Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 18:20, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep agree with Rossc that WP:NMUSIC is passed for charting albums and there is just about enough rs coverage to pass WP:GNG, regards Atlantic306 (talk) 17:25, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 19:54, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kaitlynn Carter[edit]

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Not finding independent in-depth coverage in reliable sources - lack of WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:BIO. Run-of-the-mill person. Promotional article, created by two WP:SPAs. Edwardx (talk) 09:20, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable blogger.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:56, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think she's pretty unknown for an article of her own. thenamelessdoll (talk) 01:24, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Apparently created by multiple socks. wumbolo ^^^ 10:56, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 15:13, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Freedom Campaign[edit]

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Completely unreferenced - and has been tagged for 4 years. Mostly futurology. Rathfelder (talk) 08:52, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I am not seeing evidence of notability for this particular Freedom Campaign, whether by WP:ORGDEPTH or WP:GNG. (The associated U.S. Campaign for Burma also looks open to similar challenge.) AllyD (talk) 12:55, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 19:51, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

2018 CA Central Region League[edit]

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A futsal league with no source provided. A WP:BEFORE found no WP:RS and WP:SIGCOV to support notability. Fails WP:GNG CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 08:06, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete non-notable article per region league and CA Central Region League is redlink Hhkohh (talk) 14:36, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 10:46, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non-notable league. SportingFlyer talk 06:02, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 19:51, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

CAH Cheras Futsal Team[edit]

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A suburn futsal team. Rejected three times in AfC for no WP:RS provided. A WP:BEFORE found not WP:RS and WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:GNG CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 07:57, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Cannot find any coverage of this local amateur club in WP:RS. Bennv3771 (talk) 12:26, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. Giant Snowman 10:46, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Failing WP:GNG, WP:NSPORT and the fact there are so many red-links does really raise a red flag over the article. Govvy (talk) 10:25, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics. (non-admin closure) KCVelaga (talk) 02:22, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesia at the 2020 Summer Olympics[edit]

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Looks like a case of WP:TOOSOON . I found no reliable sources on the Internet . This can be recreated when squads are announced or some reliable sources are found . Kpg jhp jm 04:36, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - there is something odd about an article with a past tense from an even 2 years ahead, I see no reason to keep or edit, if the tense is kept JarrahTree 04:55, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics. WP:TOOSOON but will eventually become an article. Ajf773 (talk) 05:20, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and re-create once there's some known information, above and beyond that they will send a delegation. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:15, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP: TOOSOON - agree with User: JarrahTree.Vorbee (talk) 07:52, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics. Seems too soon to warrant a full article, but I don't see any reason why we shouldn't redirect it to a relevant topic - WP:ATD-R and WP:CHEAP.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 13:15, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the 2020 Summer Olympics it seems to be too soon for the article to exist and only create when their is more information on the nation. Animation is developing 23:56, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2020 Summer Olympics. It's a plausible search term, but as they haven't qualified anyone yet, it's too soon, and in any case the article is completely inaccurate as it seems to reference events which have not yet happened. Smartyllama (talk) 17:12, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Tom Guerra. Article must be kept to preserve attribution for content merged to Tom Guerra. czar 19:50, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mambo Sons[edit]

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One of the members of this band, Tom Guerra, has his own article that has survived two different AfDs (barely), and I plan to clean up his article with sources found during those AfD debates. Meanwhile this band, Mambo Sons, was one of his side projects. I can find no significant coverage in reliable sources for Mambo Sons, beyond completely run-of-the-mill listings at retail/streaming sites, and their own self-promotion. They have been mentioned in a few news articles that are actually about the slightly more notable Tom Guerra (e.g. [46]). This side band can be mentioned in passing at Guerra's article but they have not achieved notability in their own right. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 17:27, 25 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Tom Guerra. I found more coverage of Guerra (who appears notable enough) than this band, e.g. [47], [48]. This band is obviously a significant part of his career so should at the very least be covered there to the extent that available sources permit. --Michig (talk) 06:57, 26 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note - When the Tom Guerra article survived its AfD back in June, I vowed to clean it up and add references. I finally got around to that today and added verifiable information on Mambo Sons. As the nominator here, I still think that this Mambo Sons article should be deleted, but if the ultimate result of this AfD is to merge, I have already done it. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 19:15, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. However, the article needs a cleanup. (non-admin closure) KCVelaga (talk) 02:20, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of listed buildings in Sorbie, Dumfries and Galloway[edit]

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Every building just lists the category, HB number, coordinates, and the name. Most of the names are things similar to "Garlieston,11 South Street". There isn't much information to be gained from this article. Beasting123 (talk) 02:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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This is only one of hundreds of such lists in Category:Listed buildings in the United Kingdom. It seems only to make sense to discuss all of them instead of one of them. --Bsherr (talk) 06:27, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I agree with Bsherr's note above: I was surprised to find this detailed structure of list articles across many areas exists here, but insofar as it does, it would be unreasonable to consider creating an omission gap for any particular area (which includes some Category A as well as B buildings) through an individual AfD. (Coincidentally, attention to these List articles may even provide some framework for Wiki Loves Monuments images of the important public buildings during the month to come...) AllyD (talk) 07:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Satisfies LISTN, listed buildings being notable as a group. There might be scope for merging some lists if they are short enough to be merged, but that is about it. James500 (talk) 08:56, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm pretty sure I created these lists back in 2012 because someone requested me to add them for Wiki Loves Monuments. Looking at the lists were also indexed for the Monuments Database (tool used for Wiki Loves Monuments), but it dropped out. Not sure why. Usually lists of historic buildings start like this and get expanded over time. I wonder why nothing much happened on these lists. Not editors from Scotland noticed them? I dug some more into the configuration and looks like the renaming of {{HB Scotland row}} and maybe some other things are messing up the indexing. Created phab:T203348 for that. Multichill (talk) 12:01, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – No opinion, but I do think that if this is kept, it should be cut down only to actual historic buildings and renamed something along the lines of "List of historic buildings in Sorbie, Dumfries and Galloway". Redditaddict69 15:54, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- All listed buildings are historic. That is why they are listed. They are also notable under NGEO. James500 (talk) 05:44, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Redditaddict69: see Listed building#Scotland. Multichill (talk) 15:57, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Multichill: @James500: - But if there were a way to cut it down even further, or maybe even merge this with another related article, is what I'm suggesting. Redditaddict6 9 19:36, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Part of a clearly established and full category. All listed buildings are notable per WP:GEOFEAT, so any one of these could technically have an article. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:48, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Sensible list-article, a member of Category:Lists of listed buildings in Dumfries and Galloway. If you are a deletionist, you should want to keep this list-article, towards forestalling creation of articles for each of the listed buildings. --Doncram (talk) 06:53, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) KCVelaga (talk) 03:02, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of notable surviving veterans of World War II[edit]

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Randy Weston and a few other war vets who died today were not included in the list, so it doesn't make sense for people to add any more notable veterans, and this page is consuming a bit too many kilobytes. Extrapolaris (talk) 01:04, 2 September 2018 (UTC) Vahe Demrijian[reply]

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Keep WP:NOTDONE. Just because one person was missing, doesn't mean the entire article should be deleted. Since articles are contently being written or expanded, things will be missed. I agree it's large, but splitting the article into pieces would be one solution. Emk9 (talk)

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Keep. Not sure why the nominator believes the list should be deleted because of the omission of some names. The inclusion rule should be as simple as if the veteran has an article. I do have an issue with the article title including the word "notable". Ajf773 (talk) 02:08, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. For casual use only. Not encyclopedic. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:09, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The Wikimedia IT department will let us know when we run out of kilobytes; for now we have plenty to go around. I see no issue with the page besides that it needs to be replaced with a more modern table style. Nate • (chatter) 04:24, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into List of last surviving veterans of military insurgencies and wars which has a sensible focus on the last few survivors of such conflicts. The current structure won't do because, eventually there won't be any surviving veterans, and so we should switch to a more stable format. Andrew D. (talk) 09:05, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Trivial, a mess to maintain, and probably wrong on the BLP status of quite a few members. This is not a WP:NOTESAL (list of X), but rather a cross-categorization of "Lists of X of Y" - in this case the selection criteria being the intersection of Category:Military personnel of World War II and Category:Living people. Had this been a stable cross-cat (e.g. veterans who were Sherman tank drivers) it would be one thing, but the BLP cat is inherently unstable - and particularly so for this age cohort - which makes for a maintenance nightmare here - and makes this cross-categorization better served by category queries. A merge to List of last surviving veterans of military insurgencies and wars would make sense at some point (when the list of "final survivors" (overall, per country, per service)) are manageable - but not now when the list has over a 1,000 entries.Icewhiz (talk) 14:11, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep No doubt this will loom larger as the conflict recedes into history. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:09, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm not sure if this list satisfies WP:LISTCRUFT definition 6 and 10. What exactly makes someone a "notable veteran of the Second World War" this would not only require research but its open to one's interpretation because different people would define "notable" differently some looking at what they did after the war, while others would argue that any veteran who played a significant part in the war "notable". Making the list infinite or at least close to it Freetheangels (talk) 20:05, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The main reason the word notable is used is to limit the number of people adding relatives to the list. It basically means they need a wikipedia page to be on the list, since otherwise there would be a lot of redlinks. Emk9 (talk)

"Notable" is a Wikipedia term. It means anyone with their own article. We're still at least ten years away from anyone being notable simply for being one of the last, as with List of last surviving World War I veterans. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:09, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I just worried that this is gonna turn into a giant memorial

Strong Keep I was wondering when you'd get around to this article. Just because it needs work doesn't meet it should be deleted. Czolgolz (talk) 00:57, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for now. It's (currently) too general/indiscriminate, as there were tens of millions who served in the war, and even the tiny fraction of notable living individuals is still too many. As time goes by, that is becoming less and less of an issue. Other than those who were underage and lied to enlist, they would be in their late 80s at best. As Hawkeye7 has noted, the list will become manageably encyclopedic in about a decade when there are a lot fewer survivors. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:23, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Clarification. Survivors of the war aren't notable for being survivors because they're still too common. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:22, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per Emk9 and Nate. Into the Rift (talk) 20:20, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well, then keep and you're free to improve it. MaeseLeon (talk) 15:46, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep No valid argument for deletion has been made and the list seems quite reasonable, especially compared to some others I have seen survive AfD. That said, it is a bit long and we might want to look at breaking it up into multiple lists. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:30, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:NLIST, not seeing a good reason for deletion Atlantic306 (talk) 17:16, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 19:47, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Rothrock[edit]

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Article does not meet WP:GNG, citations do not reflect significant coverage in secondary sources. Also possibly in violation of WP:OR, WP:AUTO. Rosguill^talk 01:10, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, borderline speedy. The Forbes article is by a "contributor" and doesn't even mention this person by name; the other "sources" are even worse. See also Soren Kaplan from the same user, and this list of upBoard managers. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 02:19, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Forbes is good but not enough. Notable if you developed the article and included more citations Freetheangels (talk) 20:41, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SIGCOV and subsequently WP:BIO. scope_creep (talk) 18:03, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The cited sources are very far from enough to meet WP:GNG, and nothing better found online. Edwardx (talk) 18:41, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Thanks for the feedback. Understood that it fails WP:SIGCOV and will look for more notable references / citations. (Mcvalley) —Preceding undated comment added 15:40, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. So Why 15:31, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Serwa[edit]

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A personal-services advert for a "life coach", with no sign of actual biographical notability, just the usual passing mentions. Calton | Talk 01:07, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Not your average life coach. Worked with some important people. Not to mention its well-cited far from "passing mention" Freetheangels (talk) 20:26, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not your average life coach.

Proof?

Worked with some important people.

1) Who? 2) So what? Notability is not inherited.

Not to mention its well-cited far from "passing mention"

Which of those citations qualify as in-depth?

And as long as I'm here: do you have a conflict of interest here? --Calton | Talk 20:45, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that you even asked these question shows that you neither read the article, looked at the citations or did any independent research on the subject of the article. As for conflict of interest I have to ask, do you have a conflict of conflict of interest? Why are you so determined to get this article deleted? Freetheangels (talk) 04:01, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I hate spam. Why are YOU so determined to see this on Wikipedia that you resort to falsehoods about the sources? And I'm still waiting for you to declare whether you have a conflict of interest. Be sure about your answer, sir. --Calton | Talk 05:29, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment it's certainly crap. I'm not sure if coverage such as [49] gives him a Dr. Oz-style notability, or it's just advertorial promotion of his book/business. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Average life coaches do not have a Forbes article with them as the subject. Portfolio Magazine and Citymatters also have him as the subject; while they are weaker sources, I still think the article passes WP:ANYBIO. Ifnord (talk) 00:37, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Average life coaches do not have a Forbes article with them as the subject

Except that it's NOT a Forbes article, it's their self-published blog section. The Portfolio piece is an interview, so effectively a primary source, and Citymatters is a hyperlocal site (their term) with no reputation as a reliable source I'm aware of. If this is how you analyze sources, maybe you shouldn't be approving new articles, like you did this one.

Also, you forgot to mention that you were canvassed to this discussion. --Calton | Talk 00:56, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I notice you take up a lot of screen space in your discussions, rather than simply type out text. I also note from your talk page you are a little confrontational. I feel the combination akin to bullying rather than discussion. Perhaps you shouldn't be proposing articles for deletion. Ifnord (talk) 01:59, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Some fact-checking. The Forbes article written about Michael Serwa is not a self-published blog as Calton suggests but a legit article written by Andrew Cave a business journalist. Freetheangels (talk) 04:50, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Except it's not. Please don't misuse a term like "fact-checking". --Calton | Talk 05:31, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Thanks for contributing to this discussion. I tried to improve this article as much as possible. Michael Serwa is far from your average life coach anyone who cared to do some research would come to this conclusion. Not only has he worked with some of the biggest names in: business, science, technology, government and the arts but he has written and been the subject of multiple article including Forbes magazine. Who has he worked with? He mention no one by full name but by reading through some of his citations, looking at his website and doing some research you can make some educated guesses. I also went to mention that Serwa is the only life coach to ever appear in the Spears 500 catalog. This listing was mentioned when the article was originally published but was removed shortly after. I feel this is worth mentioning because the Spears 500 catalog is considered the must have catalog for the rich and powerful and listing are chosen based on a persons credentials. Notthesteps (talk) 19:28, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's so prestigious that Wikipedia doesn't even have an article about it. --Calton | Talk 05:26, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The Forbes article is on their blog section. wumbolo ^^^ 10:43, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Forbes article is a legit article written by one of their financial journalist's Andrew Cave and not just some blog. Personal notable not just because of Forbes article but because of the work he done and the reputation he built.Freetheangels (talk) 17:48, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Forbes article is a legit article written by one of their financial journalist's Andrew Cave
Really. So why is in their blog section? Why does the author credit says "Andrew Cave, Contributor"?: I don't see the words "Staff" or "Forbes Reporter" or any synonym thereof. And then there's the notice attached: "Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.
In other words, your claim is straight-up false. --Calton | Talk 20:05, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Article is legit the author of the article Andrew Cave is a business writer with Forbes and other publications [50]. Freetheangels (talk) 03:59, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Again, absolutely false. 1) It's in the Forbes.com blog section: it's NOT Forbes magazine and it's NOT an "article". See here. 2) Andrew Cave is NOT a financial journalist for Forbes, as your LinkedIn profile. He doesn't work for Forbes. Please stop persisting in citing this falsehood. --Calton | Talk 05:26, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Advertising, likely covert, that is excluded from Wikipedia by policy. MER-C 10:18, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Joe (talk) 15:10, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Marc Atiyeh (Entrepreneur)[edit]

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Vanity bio of a "Chief Strategy Officer" for a company which doesn't even have a Wikipedia article, since it's just a subsidiary of Goldman Sachs. Calton | Talk 01:06, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Too early for this fellow to have an article. Also, one of those "Harvard Crimson" references is not from the newspaper but from the sports information public relations people. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 02:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no claim to significance, not enough in-depth coverage, and does not inherit (per WP:NOTINHERITED) personal notability from notable projects he worked on/with.--SamHolt6 (talk) 15:36, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

CommentForbes is good but maybe you should rely more on proper citations Freetheangels (talk) 20:28, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The Forbes refs is /sites url subdomain for companies and folk who want to web host. It is user generated content and is considered Non-RS by Wikipedia. The individual is entirely non notable. Fails WP:BIO.# scope_creep (talk) 18:10, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: He has worked for various startups building the companies and making them attractive for acquisition by large financial firms. Notthesteps (talk) 19:06, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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