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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. So Why 19:19, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mt. Hood Independent Film Festival[edit]

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Film festival that appears to have existed for only three or four years (it no longer appears on the website of its sponsoring organization). Sources in the article are limited to the sponsoring organization and local press coverage. Internet searching provided nothing more than additional local coverage and passing mentions. The festival is non-notable and does not satisfy either the general notability guidelines or WP:NORG. NewYorkActuary (talk) 13:15, 29 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete All sources appear to be self-references or purely WP:LOCAL. No sign of significant coverage in independent sources. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:04, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Nice essay. Of course, under it we can delete many topics without national headlines. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 02:15, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Flanaess. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:18, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Veluna[edit]

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This topic fails to establish notability. TTN (talk) 19:59, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Flanaess. No sign of general notability, no sources other than D&D reference materials. Power~enwiki (talk) 21:33, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge to Flanaess. BOZ (talk) 22:53, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per BOZ and WP:ATD-M. Jclemens (talk) 06:45, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect -- there's nothing to merge as the article does not include 3rd party citations. K.e.coffman (talk) 19:32, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this is one of many fictional subdivisions of fictional settings for D&D. It is trivial. Power~enwiki (talk) 23:26, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Flanaess. This is just a more specific page on a more broad topic that is notable, so I don't see why I should favor deletion over merging. Power~enwiki's suggestion for a redirect is a bit unusual, considering the fact that there is no information on Veluna itself on Flanaess. Borderlandor (talk) 05:43, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or, if necessary, merge, as above. Josh Milburn (talk) 04:41, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Flanaess per K.e.coffman. Zero citations = WP:V/CITE Fail = Nothing to merge. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:55, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Closing as "keep", as there are no arguments in favor of pure deletion. Merging can be discussed on the article's talk page. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 23:11, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Godfrey Lewis Rockefeller[edit]

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Found one source, subject does not have any notability for himself. Fails WP:BIO. Here is the source: http://hudsonriverzeitgeist.com/home/2016/7/3/a-trip-to-the-forgotten-birthplace-of-american-historys-richest-man Rogermx (talk) 20:37, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I added 12 book sources - and there are more. He clearly meets GNG.Icewhiz (talk) 06:01, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Rockefeller family. Being the "father of the Rockefeller family" does not make him notable. WP:INVALIDBIO says "relationships do not confer notability". Also see Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Notability is inherited. Verbcatcher (talk) 06:39, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
He meets WP:SIGCOV - so he's clearly notable. Numerous book references, covering him in depth (several paragraphs), going back at least a century (from 1905 or so - and possibly earlier references can be found). Quoting from WP:INVALIDBIO - That person A has a relationship with well-known person B, such as being a spouse or child, is not a reason for a standalone article on A (unless significant coverage can be found on A);. In this case significant coverage has been found on A. Why do people find him notable? Perhaps due to giving rise to the Rockefeller line - however that is true of numerous medieval nobles. e.g. Ansegisel,Anna of Brunswick-Grubenhagen-Einbeck, Matthew Stewart, 2nd Earl of Lennox, Bertrand III of Baux, or Louise-Jeanne Tiercelin de La Colleterie. As significant coverage exists of him (much more so than many nobles which have an entry) - he meets the criteria for inclusion.Icewhiz (talk) 08:26, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFF arguments are not very persuasive. If there is significant coverage, then he is notable. If there isn't, the fact that pages exist for other equally less-than-notable people only means that more deletions need to be proposed, not that this page needds to be retained - it should stand or fall on its own merits, not the deficits of other pages. So, the question is, do the added sources represent significant coverage, or just passing reference? Agricolae (talk) 15:08, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding significant coverage, my main argument rests on coverage in Chernow 2007, Flynn 1933, and Nevins 1940. The first chapter of Chernow, called the Flim Flam Man is about William, Godfrey's son, and discusses Godfrey across 6 or so pages, covering most of the material in this article. So while the chapter is a biography of William, Godfrey is a significant character, not just as Williams father, but also as a distinct individual. Chapter 1 of Flynn is titled Michigan Hill and is about Godfrey and William, discussing Godfrey across 5 pages or so pages, again covering most of the material in this article. Nevins 1940 is available o google books only in snippet view, but again covers most of the material in this article across multiple pages. Smmurphy^(Talk) 18:36, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - passes NPOV, NOR, V, N, etc. At the outset the article was basically genealogical, but it seems to me now to be encyclopedic. Smmurphy^(Talk) 15:45, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I've cleaned things up a bit. I've also removed a number of the references User:Icewhiz added, leaving 6 which I think are pretty strong and one more which is genealogical and which provides birth dates for their children. Smmurphy^(Talk) 15:45, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - I would like to add that just because an individual's fame is inherited, does not mean his notability cannot be established. This individual is certainly only famous because his grandson was famous. But given that he is himself famous and has received significant coverage in multiple sources, I do think he is suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia. Smmurphy^(Talk) 15:58, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As the nominator, I appreciate efforts to add more information. I would change from Delete to Merge with the Rockefeller Family article as a good solution. I still do not believe it merits its own article. Rogermx (talk) 15:32, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- By merits, do you mean that you do not believe that the coverage in reliable sources is significantly in depth? Smmurphy^(Talk) 15:45, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm skeptical that there is any material here that should be merged into Rockefeller family. That page currently mentions Godfrey and is already very long and somewhat well organized and adding detail into the life of a family member who did not achieve fame except through his famous progeny would not add to that article. Smmurphy^(Talk) 15:58, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Rockefeller family. I might have said delete, as his only claim to fame is inherited from his grandson. However, a summary of this article will usefully fill out the very brief "family background" section there. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:19, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Having just read the "Michigan Hill" chapter in the Flynn book, it describes Godfrey in a few brief sentences as a shiftless, thriftless alcoholic who moved to Tioga NY, made a bad land deal and had children. That is it. The chapter is really about Bill Rockefeller. It does not constitute significant coverage of Godfrey. Rogermx (talk) 00:21, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Rockefeller family as per above. There are issues with the notability of the subject. For notability multiple uses of the same source counts as one and passing mention (not "significantly in depth") does not count. The article states as fact that the subject was born in Albany, New York but the references give multiple possible locations as the birth place is not actually known. "Notability (people)" states, "For people, the person who is the topic of a biographical article should be "worthy of notice" or "note" – that is, "remarkable" or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded" within Wikipedia as a written account of that person's life.". And having a son that became famous does not match any of those. That slippery slope would mean all Rockefeller's and Avery's would get an article. All we would need to do is list the same sources 3 or 4 times, a genealogical source (for birthdays) and point out the relationship to the famous person. Otr500 (talk) 09:43, 23 June 2017 (*UTC)

Comment - The keep !votes relate to GNG. Rogermx, the nominator, disagrees with me that Flynn's coverage of Godfrey is in depth enough to satisfy GNG, which is fine. I think if a published book discusses and individuals character, his career, and his family, as Flynn does, that is quite a bit of depth. The other !votes are concerned that his most important claim to significance is through his progeny, which is valid and reflected in the article, but such a claim to fame may not always lead to notability issues. Smmurphy^(Talk) 12:21, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As an encyclopedia - we should be there when someone looks up someone due to their more famous descendants - particularly when passing GNG. An encyclopedia query of "who the heck was Godfrey Lewis Rockefeller?" is an entirely valid one for someone reading about the numerous Rockefellers. The answer does indeed turn out to be a mostly nobody (He did however name a tract of land that became a state forest - Michigan Hills NY State Forest) - but that nobody passed GNG - as there is copious, well written, and detailed information about him - well beyond what we have on several other figures. We have many nobodies that pass GNG. If they do - they should be in.Icewhiz (talk) 19:07, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia is not meant to be the source of all information. If it were, we would be adding millions of people who appear in obituaries, census records, birth announcements, etc. etc. Personally, I don't believe in adding aristocrats to Wikipedia simply because they came from a "noble" family. Rogermx (talk) 03:07, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- The query "who the heck was Godfrey Lewis Rockefeller?" is best responded to with a redirect to Rockefeller family. Verbcatcher (talk) 14:45, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per Icewhiz. MB298 (talk) 07:12, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Relisted three times with zero !votes. I am treating this as an expired Prod. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:00, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

High Commission of Jamaica, Ottawa[edit]

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fails WP:ORG. all this confirms is the high commission exists. and embassies are not inherently notable. also nominating:

Embassy of Colombia, Ottawa
Embassy of Afghanistan in Ottawa
Embassy of Argentina, Ottawa
Embassy of Latvia, Ottawa
Embassy of Switzerland, Ottawa LibStar (talk) 01:51, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - is there a policy on embassies? An embassy is not an organization, it's a place of residence and work for a head of state. It projects the authority and influence of that head of state into the surrounding area, and carries at least as much influence as any organization or person that reports to it. I would keep all of these. - Richard Cavell (talk) 08:44, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

you're arguing inherent notability when there is no guideline which says that. WP:ITSNOTABLE. LibStar (talk) 09:15, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment are these supposed to be notable as physical buildings, or as diplomatic missions? Power~enwiki (talk) 19:41, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

as diplomatic missions they have no inherent notability as many have been d well deleted. If the building is proven notable then they may be notable. LibStar (talk) 00:33, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

None of them appear architecturally notable: as far as I can tell, they're either office suites in larger buildings or ordinary houses. --Colapeninsula (talk) 09:01, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Northern Native Broadcasting (Terrace). There appears to be a fairly strong consensus against keeping the article at this time. What to do with it is not as clear. However, a preponderance favors redirection which I think works. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:10, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

CKUR-FM[edit]

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WP:TOOSOON article about a radio station which received a license from the CRTC to launch literally yesterday, but has not yet actually commenced broadcasting. WP:NMEDIA, however, does not permit advance articles about stations that still only exist on paper -- it requires that the station is actually on the air before it qualifies for an article (per the criterion about "established broadcast history".) In the meantime, the license can certainly be discussed in Media in Vancouver and the article on its parent company -- but there actually has to be a signal getting transmitted before it becomes eligible for its own standalone article. Bearcat (talk) 21:22, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep You'd have a point if it was a proposed radio station that had applied for but not yet been granted a license but given that a license has been approved and it will be going on the air within a year there's no reason to delete. We've had articles for radio and TV stations not yet on the air before for instance CJRU and CIND-FM both hard articles a year or so before going on the air. If the article is deemed premature then Merge with Northern Native Broadcasting (Terrace) which is the company that owns the station. Hungarian Phrasebook (talk) 21:49, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. NMEDIA explicitly states that on the air is the condition, and "licensed but not yet launched" is WP:TOOSOON. It is not rare for a station to get a license but then fail to launch and have its license expire, which is why NMEDIA has been tightened up to require that we wait until the station is on the air. What we did the better part of a decade ago is irrelevant to what we do now — and ever since the comprehensive cleanup project in which we ended up having to delete hundreds of articles about licensed stations that never launched and had their licenses expire unbuilt, consensus changed and what we do now is wait until the station has launched.

Also, CJRU never had a premature article at all — The Scope already existed as a fully operational Internet radio service that was able to clear WP:GNG on those grounds regardless of whether it cleared our notability standards for AM/FM radio stations or not. It had an article for clearing GNG as an active internet radio service, not for being a licensed but as yet unlaunched terrestrial radio station. Bearcat (talk) 22:14, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And CIND-FM? In any case, do you have any objection to merging the article with Northern Native Broadcasting (Terrace)? Hungarian Phrasebook (talk) 01:03, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

CIND-FM falls under "what we did before all the phantom articles about stations that never existed forced consensus about this issue to change". As for merging, kindly note the part of my nomination statement where I explicitly stated that "In the meantime, the license can certainly be discussed in Media in Vancouver and the article on its parent company". Bearcat (talk) 13:21, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So then you are not requesting a deletion but a merge. Perhaps the AFD template can be swapped with a mergeto template then. Hungarian Phrasebook (talk) 15:23, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The content that has to go into the company's article would not be a full verbatim merger of everything present here, but a brief one or two sentence acknowledgement of the fact that the license was granted. And furthermore, the call sign is only presumptive at this time — since it hasn't been formally assigned by Industry Canada as of yet, the fact that NNB used this call sign in its application does not mean they're necessarily going to get this call sign. (That's not a simple formality of a station automatically getting any call sign it wants — there are reasons why a station might not get the call sign it presumptively gave itself in the application process. See CKLU-FM for an example of that very thing happening.) So there aren't grounds for the call sign to be redirected to the company article either, which would also be required by a "merge" proposal. So for both of those reasons, I'm not requesting a "merger" at this time — the content is more than we can justify at the present time, and the eventual title isn't a done deal yet either, so the correct solution here is a delete, without prejudice against restoration once the station actually meets the requirements for a standalone article, not a merger with significant content or title retention. Bearcat (talk) 16:04, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

According to their CRTC submission, Industry Canada has granted them the call letters. Hungarian Phrasebook (talk) 23:49, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, the source present in the article says that exactly nowhere. Secondly, the CKUR-FM call sign doesn't produce any search results in the IC call sign database, which it would if it had already been assigned to them. And thirdly, IC can't assign a call sign in advance of the CRTC approving the license — that's simply not how the process works. Bearcat (talk) 00:04, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, it was in their submission to the CRTC:
"The proposed radio service is to be called Vancouver Urban Aboriginal Radio, with the call letters CKUR 106.3FM. CKUR call letters have been approved by Spectrum Management Operations Branch Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada/Government of Canada." Hungarian Phrasebook (talk) 00:44, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Again, firstly, that would be reflected in the Spectrum database. But it isn't. And secondly, call signs are not and cannot be approved before the license is approved, precisely because of the possibility that the license might get denied. The company can certainly file an inquiry to see if the desired call sign is available, which IC/Spectrum will certainly respond to with a yes or a no, but IC cannot and will not reserve the call sign for an as yet unapproved license. If an existing station puts in a request to change its existing call sign to CKUR before the Vancouver station finishes the paperwork necessary to actually secure it (which, again, it cannot have done on a pending license application, but can only initiate now that the license has been approved...and is still not a mere formality that can be finished in two minutes flat, but in fact takes weeks) then that other station will get dibs on it. So a station doesn't own the call sign just because its own self-published correspondence about itself says that — what that letter says can easily be an overheated misrepresentation of "Spectrum Management Operations has confirmed that the call sign is available". It doesn't own the call sign until the call sign is listed as assigned in the public Spectrum database, which as of today it is not. Bearcat (talk) 17:25, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"what that letter says can easily be an overheated misrepresentation of "Spectrum Management Operations has confirmed that the call sign is available". While that's interesting speculation it's groundless as the List of Available Callsign For Broadcasting Stations does not have CKUR listed. Why? Because those call letters have been reserved by new Vancouver station. Earlier you said "the eventual title isn't a done deal yet", now you concede that the call letters have been reserved so I'm glad we're making progress. The suggestion that the call letters won't be CKUR and that therefore do not merit being the name of an article lacks merit. Hungarian Phrasebook (talk) 17:42, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Again, the call sign cannot be considered "reserved" until the public Spectrum Management database brings up an assigned record for it. Prior to the license approval, all the company can possibly have done is to submit an inquiry as to whether the call sign was available — they can have done nothing to initiate the process of reserving it until the CRTC application was approved. But that only happened three business days ago, and the process of reserving a call sign takes more than three days to complete and so it cannot have been completed yet. Again: a call sign is not "reserved" until the Spectrum database brings up an assigned record for it, which as of today the Spectrum database does not. I'm not making any speculation here at all; I know how the process works. Bearcat (talk) 17:51, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So why isn't the call sign listed as available on this list then? List of Available Callsign For Broadcasting Stations. Hungarian Phrasebook (talk) 18:48, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know, and it doesn't matter. That document has no official status as proof of anything; it's just a convenience brochure that IC's SMO division makes available to prospective broadcasting applicants so they know what they're allowed to ask for. The only valid proof that a call sign has been locked in remains the existence of an assigned record for it in the SMO database. Bearcat (talk) 17:03, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

- Rather than delete, I think it would be more constructive to redirect to Northern Native Broadcasting (Terrace) until CKUR-FM begins testing or until a month or so before their launch date, in order to preserve the page history. Hungarian Phrasebook (talk) 02:11, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Another good Bearcat nom; until it is confirmed to be at the very minimum testing, we have to assume it has no notability and we have no deadline to post an article about this; we can also assume that there will always be the usual CRTC license negotiation so that they can get on the air with what they say, but will also appeal to listeners. Nate • (chatter) 05:53, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Northern Native Broadcasting (Terrace), at least for now: Obviously it is too soon for this station to have an article, considering that they have until June 2019 to go on the air (though they tentatively plan to go on a year before then) and there isn't any presumption of notability for as-yet-unlaunched stations. That said, the station is mentioned in Northern Native Broadcasting's article — and most of the content of the CKUR-FM article, which at this point is pretty much all to say about the station, appears to in that article, anyway. Because of that and the fact that the station does appear to have picked a tentative call sign (even if it hasn't necessarily been formally assigned by Industry Canada yet — but from what I've noticed, it's pretty rare for a new Canadian radio station to have its call sign be known this early in the process), a redirect might actually be useful and valid in this case. (I wouldn't entirely object to deletion, either, but overall the circumstances here are a bit different from other AfDs over the past year about too-soon station articles.) --WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 23:52, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:12, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Folk Show[edit]

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I found no significant coverage and both references are dead links. SL93 (talk) 21:39, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Not only are the references dead links, they are to the web site of the radio station that broadcasts this show, so they wouldn't be independent sources even if we could see them. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:53, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - if the rationale of deleting this article applies, then in my opinion it applies to the vast majority of radio programmes on Wikipedia. The articles regarding radio shows on BBC Radio 2 for example, have no greater depth nor could they be described as any more 'notable' than the article discussed. Also in my opinion any description in the context of a local radio show is also flawed, as The Folk Show has a wide listenership throughout the UK and overseas through it's transmission over the internet, and as such is important within the context of Celtic culture see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJKcURVhoxY. It is part of the Category:Manx Radio programmes and also the Category:British music radio programmes, and as such fits the context of those categories. The article also conforms to the WikiProject Isle of Man. Harvey Milligan (talk) 19:29, 16 June 2017. (UTC)

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Retain. I have now repaired the links, so the references are now verifiable. I have also added citations which are independent of Manx Radio itself. This should answer Metropolitan90's argument for the page's deletion. I would also like to see the page retained for the reasons stated by Harvey Milligan: it is notable within the context of the Isle of Man, and it is a part of a wider series articles related to categories such as Category:Manx Radio programmes. I would hope that more pages will be created for this category in future. Manx James (talk) 20:13, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I would like to know whether the book cited in the article now, The Nation's Station by Derek Winterbottom, discusses this radio show or whether it is just being cited to establish that Manx Radio is a commercial station. If the book discusses "The Folk Show", then it ought to be cited to support other information in the article, but if it doesn't discuss "The Folk Show", then it's not particularly significant as a source here. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:43, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment/response. The book was cited to establish that Manx Radio is a commercial station. It is, indeed, not particularly significant as a source in this article as a whole, but the statement seemed in need of a citation, and the book looked the best one available. Manx James (talk) 15:00, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I don't know why so many people bother to try to write articles for Wikipedia, when such evident editorial arrogance clearly exists! Terry Dench 05:30 25 June. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.120.148.49 (talk) 05:38, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I would suggest that thanks to the added links from Manx James the initial rationale for deletion (which in my opinion was tenuous at best) no longer applies. As stated previously, the article conforms to various criteria, one of which is the category: Manx Radio Programmes, which is currently being enhanced by further additions (see: Claare ny Gael). Harvey Milligan (talk) 15:04, 26 June 2017. (UTC)

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Having been relisted and with the sole !vote being for deletion I'm going to treat this as an expired Prod. Ad Orientem (talk) 00:14, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kevin Elson[edit]

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While this producer has worked with significant acts, he fails WP:BIO with only passing mentions of him in articles that are about folks he's worked with. Toddst1 (talk) 21:48, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The producer of an album is usually not notable for such. We would need more sources about Elson and to be able to write more text instead of just lists about him to justify having an article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:31, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:26, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Evan Bloodoff[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG per only WP:ROUTINE sources. Still fails WP:NHOCKEY ~~(and fairly certain it failed NHOCKEY in 2011 when it was recreated)~~. Yosemiter (talk) 23:06, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: was actually re-created in 2013 when the player hit 100 games in AHL and ECHL when that was the criterion for minimum games in professional leagues at that time (I had 2011 in my head from when he started his pro career, a common time for the article's creator to have made articles). However, my nomination still stands; does not meet the current, stricter NHOCKEY. Yosemiter (talk) 05:02, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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WTF? Delete: Ironically, his credentials today would have met the 2011 standards, but with what he'd achieved by 2011 (to wit, nothing), he wouldn't have then. Certainly doesn't meet the current, tighter standards. Ravenswing 04:22, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Leaning toward weak keep~~ - Neither NSPORTS nor GNG is an absolute rule. They are created to tell editors how to determine notability/importance of this person and his career. I searched for the news articles about this person. According to this article, the guy renewed his contract with the Florida Everblades hockey team. ~~This shows that his notability is not temporary; it is sustained (proven substantial).~~ Somehow, WP:WHYN and WP:NPF explain attempts to limit number of articles about low-profile persons, especially to prevent Wikipedia from being used as means of promotion. ~~However, even when the person fails GNG, the person may still be notable, and WP:V#Notability is already met.~~ --George Ho (talk) 06:53, 25 June 2017 (UTC); modified, 06:59, 25 June 2017 (UTC); partially struck, 14:14, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@George Ho: Notability is not temporary is only used if the person was ever actually notable. In the second recreation in 2013, he met the looser criteria NHOCKEY guideline. Since then, it was found that many hockey players who met that guideline did not meet WP:GNG and as such, NHOCKEY has become much stricter to weed out those that are not up to snuff. (read User talk:Dolovis for a list of deleted articles on the low-level player pages he created and one of the primary reasons NHOCKEY had to become stricter.) Yes, it is possible to still be notable and not meet the standards, but GNG is usually the go-to standard for notability. The source you brought up is about a player signing, something that is a run-of-the-mill press release from a local paper and what hockey would define as routine coverage which is usually not suitable as a source for proving notability in GNG (must have multiple secondary, independent, reliable sources). If your argument to keep is "even when the person fails GNG, the person may still be notable, and WP:V#Notability is already met", then my response is that notability (after GNG and WP:V) was never met to begin with. Yosemiter (talk) 14:01, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

How about delete per what you said... and WP:NPF? Creating an article about a non-notable person would violate not just GNG but also BLP, especially WP:NPF. Also, I bet it would be used as means of promotion, which is discouraged. --George Ho (talk) 14:14, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:24, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestry charts of the current British royal family (Saxon and Scottish descent)[edit]

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Nom after failed PROD. Page was created as a spinoff of a now-deleted core page that was just an arbitrary collection of poorly referenced genealogical trivia regarding the British royal family.

This page begins with a false claim that the British royalty are somehow special in their ability to trace to antiquity (sic - the line given traces to medieval times, not antiquity, and millions of people can do this), then proceeds to show an arbitrary set of descents that have something to do with Anglo-Saxons (or not) and the current Queen (or not). It shows Elizabeth's descent from Alfred the Great through the pre-Conquest kings of England, but also another arbitrarily-chosen line through the counts of Flanders (ignoring thousands of other possible lines from Alfred that could be shown). It traces, for unknown reasons, the descent of the Scottish kings from the English royalty, that of Diana Spencer from a Elector of Brunswick, and that of an arbitrary medieval German prince, Philip of Swabia, from Alfred the Great.

The placement of (Anglo-)Saxon and Scot descents on a single page is a non-natural one. While one could argue that Elizabeth's descent from Alfred is central to her royal legitimacy, we already show this descent on Family tree of English and British monarchs and need not repeat it here also, nor would a merge improve that other page. As to the Scots, there is no legitimate rationale for tracing their descent from the founder of the English state, rather than from their own founder Kenneth MacAlpin (or even Fergus Mor). If we really are to have a royal genealogy page focusing on Elizabeth's claim to Scotland, it needs to focus on Scotland, and the best way to get there would be to TNT this one and start from scratch.

The page fails NOT:GENEALOGY, and lacks any kind of focus that would illuminate a specific topic. It has been flagged for a complete lack of sources for 5 years, with no attempts made to improve it. However curious one might find these descents to be, the current article's purpose is unclear and not well thought out, and because of the way it lumps together several independent genealogical phenomena, it can't really be improved because it isn't about any coherent topic. Agricolae (talk) 22:50, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I cannot tell what this list is supposed to show. Srnec (talk) 01:30, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The descent of the English (and British) crown is notable, but I am sure we have this elsewhere; likewise the descent of the Sottish crown. The other content is random and insignificant. For example, both Charles Prince of Wales and the late Princess Diana were descended from several illegitimate children of Charles II. That certain German princes are descended from children of Saxon kings is equally irrelevant. The royal families of Europe were heavily intermarried, so that it is possible to construct many pedigrees that might show all sorts of things to illustrate potential alternative descents, resulting from counter-factual rules of inheritance, but these are generally NN. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:37, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, if you want non-notable counter-factual rules of inheritance giving potential alternative descents, we have that already too: Alternative successions of the English crown. Agricolae (talk) 22:08, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Monarchist equivalent of fancruft. Newimpartial (talk) 23:47, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per nom. Seems to be Royalist special pleading. DaveApter (talk) 15:59, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy Delete Speedy deletion criteria G11, G12. Source URL: http://growthluxuryhomes.com/our-team/. Non-Admin closure.

Philippe K Ziade[edit]

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Heavy WP:PROMO tones with his name printed in bold 4 separate times on the page (in addition to issues with the style and tone of the article and the manner in which external links are used). I also wasn't impressed with the reliability of secondary sources used and needed to meet WP:BLP standards. Comatmebro (talk) 22:42, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The article texting format have been updated and bold removed. Dear, (User:Comatmebro) can you contribute to the editing? Philippe Ziade is a very well known Real Estate entrepreneur and there's a second Philippe Ziade on Wikipedia creating confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rawad00 (talk • contribs)

Delete - non notable individual. Vanity page. reddogsix (talk) 00:31, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - The article texting format has been updated, restructured, links and references organized with adding of Dates, titles and sources. - Comment added by Rawad00 (talk • contribs) 10:58, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Outer Plane. (non-admin closure) - TheMagnificentist 14:59, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Gray Waste[edit]

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This article does not establish notability. TTN (talk) 21:38, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep or merge to Plane (Dungeons & Dragons). BOZ (talk) 22:02, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per BOZ. Fancruft referenced to primary sources, not an ounce of notability outside them. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:53, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge but to Outer Plane. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 17:28, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per AFDcruft. --24.112.231.178 (talk) 19:09, 24 June 2017 (UTC)Blocked sock. Reyk _YO! 14:31, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
A merge to Outer Plane seems appropriate given that we have that article. Josh Milburn (talk) 20:54, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Inner Plane. Nothing to merge. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades^Godric 04:20, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Positive Energy Plane[edit]

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This article fails to establish notability, TTN (talk) 21:37, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep or merge to Plane (Dungeons & Dragons). BOZ (talk) 22:02, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No references, no indication of notability, what's to merge? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:53, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- completely unreferenced fancruft with no indication of even in-universe notability, let alone real-world. No suitable content to merge anywhere. Reyk _YO! 12:33, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Inner Plane. Josh Milburn (talk) 20:55, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as suggested per WP:CHEAP. Bearian (talk)

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The result was Speedily deleted as a copyvio. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:19, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ohio University 2017 Student Protest[edit]

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Non-notable localized student protest fails event notability guidlines WP:LASTING, WP:GEOSCOPE, and WP:DIVERSE, etc. Heavy reliance on primary sources violates WP:NOR. GretLomborg (talk) 21:16, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete - copyvio of this, report [1]. - TheMagnificentist 16:42, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Ad Orientem (talk) 17:32, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

EScreeningz[edit]

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This page does not seem to meet the criteria of notability. Furthermore, it is an orphan and seems to be an advertisement. Finally, the website's domain name cannot be reached. Snood1205 (talk) 20:38, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Source searches are providing no coverage in reliable sources, let alone significant coverage. Fails WP:N. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:12, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom and North America -- no assertion of notability anywhere in the article. A Train^talk 15:31, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:23, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

1993 Ramada Hotel drownings[edit]

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Tragic but WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTMEMORIAL apply. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 20:30, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. This seems notable and as the event took place well before wikipedia was founded, WP:NOTNEWS doesn't really seem to apply as this article was written in 2011, 18 years after the event occurred which really doesn't seem newspapery to me. Furthermore, due to the three years of media coverage following the event, I'd say that it seems to be relatively notable. Snood1205 (talk) 20:43, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Wcquidditch's argument is persuasive: obviously there was ongoing news coverage, and from high-quality sources. Obviously some of the detail needed to be trimmed back -- I can't imagine what's pertinent to the subject about the number of siblings or that the father lost his job post-9/11 -- but I'm hardpressed to find merit in the nom's argument. If he objected to too much irrelevant biographical information, he could have trimmed that out, as I just did. Nor is there a single element of NOTNEWS that's violated here. Ravenswing 23:43, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:26, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Effects of traffic reduction on environmental health risks[edit]

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This article is an essay, and thus falls under WP:NOTESSAY. RileyBugz ^会話 _投稿記録 20:29, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Simply NOTESSAY under our basic standards. KGirlTrucker81^{huh? what I've been doing} 20:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:NOTESSAY and possibly WP:SYN. --Kinu ^t/_c 02:02, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as it is too much like an essay. It picks on specific primary research to report, and it does not have suitable content to rename or merge elsewhere. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:08, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:26, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

EH9 6632[edit]

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I can find no reliable evidence that this object even exists. There are a handful of social media entries and youTube videos, but that's about it. Even those could well be copied from list of largest cosmic structures which contains this object with no citation. Zero research published on such an object. I don't even know what the EH9 catalogue would be. Lithopsian (talk) 19:13, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. There's absolutely no RS for this. --Hirsutism (talk) 19:57, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete this has no mention on Google scholar, so it is very likely a hoax. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:43, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete can only find this in unreliable sources; probably a hoax. Loooke (talk) 17:40, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I cannot find a single reliable source that mentions EH9 6632; this page is very linkly a hoax so, It is probably Caelum Supercluster which is the largest known supercluster with 910 million light-years. Lithopsian is right and also I saw some videos that mentions EH9 6632.

Ex:Size comparison of everything alternative version, 행성크기 우주 Universe in Perspective Update 2010 , Best size comparison universe 2016 Part.3 Lastpart and Best Ultimati Size comparison universe 2017 & Zoom Universe OUT

Maybe EH9 6632 exists and is outside of the Observable Universe (Diameter=93 billion ly) but it is part of the Entire Universe (Diameter=At least 552 billion ly? (13.799 ± 0.021 billion (age of the Universe) x 40 ly) (or maybe Infinite?)). Thank you— ~ ZaperatorYnossPro44⁷¹ ★ ^✉ / _CONTRIBS ~ 11:00, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy kept per Special:PermaLink/787047417#Lots_of_deletions_related_to_NOTDIR at WP:AN. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:27, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of programs broadcast by Sahara One[edit]

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This list article is in violation of WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Binksternet (talk) 18:27, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per other articles - I believe you have misunderstood WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Artw (talk) 00:56, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:30, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Manslamming[edit]

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This is a non-notable neologism. There appears to have been brief coverage (click-baity, not entirely serious, low quality journalism) of this concept but it is insufficient WP:DEPTH of coverage in the few sources that mention the term. Deli nk (talk) 18:47, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for the above reasons. --ChiveFungi (talk) 19:05, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: It looks like "that's not a thing", as people say these days. Came and gone in a few days. "Manslamming" sounds like a good description of this kind of phony this-is-what-we-think-attracts-feminists-to-our-tampon-and-car-ads content that's been floating around the past couple of years. --Closeapple (talk) 16:44, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NEOLOGISM, WP:NOTDICT, and lack of WP:SUSTAINED coverage. - GretLomborg (talk) 19:28, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy kept per Special:PermaLink/787047417#Lots_of_deletions_related_to_NOTDIR at WP:AN. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:26, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of television programmes broadcast by PTV[edit]

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Keep per other articles - I believe you have misunderstood WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Artw (talk) 00:57, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy kept per Special:PermaLink/787047417#Lots_of_deletions_related_to_NOTDIR at WP:AN. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:26, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of programs broadcast by Spacetoon[edit]

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Keep per other articles - I believe you have misunderstood WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Artw (talk) 01:02, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy kept per Special:PermaLink/787047417#Lots_of_deletions_related_to_NOTDIR at WP:AN. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:26, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of programs broadcast by Nickelodeon Pakistan[edit]

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Keep per other articles - I believe you have misunderstood WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Artw (talk) 01:04, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy kept per Special:PermaLink/787047417#Lots_of_deletions_related_to_NOTDIR at WP:AN. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:26, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of programs broadcast by Hum TV[edit]

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The result was Speedy kept per Special:PermaLink/787047417#Lots_of_deletions_related_to_NOTDIR at WP:AN. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:27, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of programs broadcast by Cartoon Network (Pakistan)[edit]

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The result was Speedy kept per Special:PermaLink/787047417#Lots_of_deletions_related_to_NOTDIR at WP:AN. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:27, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of programs broadcast by ARY Digital[edit]

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Keep per other articles - I believe you have misunderstood WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Artw (talk) 01:18, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy kept per Special:PermaLink/787047417#Lots_of_deletions_related_to_NOTDIR at WP:AN. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:27, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of programs broadcast by Nepal Television[edit]

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Keep per other articles - I believe you have misunderstood WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Artw (talk) 01:05, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy kept per Special:PermaLink/787047417#Lots_of_deletions_related_to_NOTDIR at WP:AN. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:28, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of programs broadcast by Zee TV[edit]

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Keep per other articles - I believe you have misunderstood WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Artw (talk) 01:06, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy kept per Special:PermaLink/787047417#Lots_of_deletions_related_to_NOTDIR at WP:AN. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:27, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of programs broadcast by Star Plus[edit]

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Keep per other articles - I believe you have misunderstood WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Artw (talk) 01:07, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) --George Ho (talk) 00:24, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Star One (Indian TV channel)[edit]

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~~This list article is in violation of WP:NOTDIRECTORY.~~ Binksternet (talk) 18:27, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I'm mistaken – the only problem with this article would be a list of programmes. Binksternet (talk) 20:23, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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May I help you close this as withdrawn then, Binksternet? --George Ho (talk) 22:41, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, please. Thanks in advance, George. Binksternet (talk) 00:18, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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List of programs broadcast by Sony Entertainment Television (India)[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by SAB TV[edit]

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The result was Speedy kept per Special:PermaLink/787047417#Lots_of_deletions_related_to_NOTDIR at WP:AN. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:29, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of programs broadcast by Raj TV[edit]

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The result was Speedy kept per Special:PermaLink/787047417#Lots_of_deletions_related_to_NOTDIR at WP:AN. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:29, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of programmes broadcast by Pogo[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Life OK[edit]

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The result was Speedy kept per Special:PermaLink/787047417#Lots_of_deletions_related_to_NOTDIR at WP:AN. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:29, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of programs broadcast by Imagine TV[edit]

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The result was Speedy kept per Special:PermaLink/787047417#Lots_of_deletions_related_to_NOTDIR at WP:AN. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:30, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of programs broadcast by Disney Channel (India)[edit]

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Question How is this NOTDIR if there are other articles with nearly the same content notably the American Disney Channel, American Cartoon Network, Freeform, ABC, etc.? Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 18:30, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That question is in the vein of Wikipedia:Other stuff exists, but what we should be looking at is policy. The relevant policy is WP:NOTDIRECTORY. If we find a bunch of articles that are in violation of policy, the obvious solution is to correct them – all of them. Binksternet (talk) 18:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am well aware of WP:Other stuff exists, which is why I didn't oppose. It was a genuine question. Are articles such as List of programs broadcast by Freeform and List of Disney Channel series/List of programs broadcast by Disney Channel also in violation of NOTDIR? Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 19:13, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they are all in violation of NOTDIR. Ideally, the articles about broadcasters should have sections where they discuss the importance of notable shows that have been aired, for instance original shows that the broadcaster created, or special shows that were discussed in other media. A simple list of scheduled shows is not allowed. So in your example, the Disney Channel article should (and does) talk about the shows that were important. Binksternet (talk) 19:28, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that puts a damper on things because that's a lot of articles. NBC, ABC, Fox, CBS, etc.... Should I get started or will you? Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 19:43, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the AfDs I filed today, all related to the NOTDIR policy. I am only partway through the list found here, which should also get deleted if all its components are deleted. Binksternet (talk) 20:23, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep all mentioned I'm not going to vote in every single AfD here because this should be raised at ANI or another forum and separating all of these is just a hassle and inconvenience to anyone at AfD looking to decide on these 'list of's. Please consider a different mode of nominating these articles. Nate • (chatter) 23:29, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy kept per Special:PermaLink/787047417#Lots_of_deletions_related_to_NOTDIR at WP:AN. — xaosflux ^Talk 03:30, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of programs broadcast by DD National[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Colors[edit]

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List of programmes broadcast by Cartoon Network (India)[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by BIG Magic[edit]

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List of programmes broadcast by &TV[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by JTBC[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Seoul Broadcasting System[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Munhwa Broadcasting Corporation[edit]

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List of programmes broadcast by Korean Broadcasting System[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Arirang TV[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Tokyo Broadcasting System[edit]

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List of television programmes broadcast by ViuTVsix[edit]

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List of television programmes broadcast by TVB[edit]

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List of programmes broadcast by Channel V[edit]

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List of programmes broadcast by Star World[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Nickelodeon (Southeast Asia)[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Nat Geo Wild[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by National Geographic[edit]

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List of programmes broadcast by MTV in Asia[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Fox Channel Asia[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Science[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Discovery Channel[edit]

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List of programmes broadcast by Cartoon Network (Southeast Asia)[edit]

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List of television programmes broadcast by the BBC[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Animax[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Animal Planet[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Hallmark Channel[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Toonami[edit]

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Keep and trim listings should be for whatever programs were broadcast in those blocks, and premieres of any new shows. That's about it. People want to know if a certain program was broadcast on the channel, whether it aired original programming or a rerun/syndicated from another channel, and then when it first premiered. It doesn't need that detailed scheduling. Time changes can be expressed in the history section of the Toonami article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:15, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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List of programs broadcast by American Broadcasting Company[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by ABS-CBN[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Adult Swim[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by GMA Network[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by MTV[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Disney XD[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Disney Channel[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by Nickelodeon[edit]

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Keep WP:NOTDIR would apply if the page's content were "Nickelodeon will be broadcasting show XYZ next Tuesday at 9:30pm", but that is not the content of this page. This is part or a series of related lists (List of programs broadcast by Nick Jr. List of programs broadcast by Nick at Nite List of programs broadcast by Nicktoons List of programs broadcast by TeenNick List of films broadcast by Nickelodeon List of Nickelodeon short films) that are mostly ok; some minor cleanup needed, but no reason to delete. UnitedStatesian (talk) 23:29, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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List of programs broadcast by Cartoon Network[edit]

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Keep WP:NOTDIRECTORY only loosely seems to apply and is easily outweighed by the utility of this article. Artw (talk) 21:13, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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List of programs broadcast by Geo TV[edit]

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Keep this and all other nominated "List of programs broadcasted by X" are not violations, as they are not TV guides or any other type of list that is defined as violating WP:NOTDIRECTORY Searingjet (talk) 23:52, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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List of programs broadcast by Seven Network[edit]

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The entire article is in violation of Wikipedia policy seen at WP:NOTDIRECTORY, which says that Wikipedia cannot be a programming guide for broadcasters. Binksternet (talk) 17:04, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because of the same problem with WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Binksternet (talk) 17:13, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Six years ago, a previous deletion discussion ended in "delete." See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of programs broadcast by Network Ten. So that article is obviously a recreation of deleted material. Binksternet (talk) 17:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects pointing to these deleted articles would also have to be deleted. Binksternet (talk) 17:36, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A similar deletion discussion is underway regarding TV programming templates. See Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 June 22#Template:Australian television channel programming templates. Binksternet (talk) 18:03, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep: Lists of notable historically significant programs are not in breach of NOTDIRECTORY. Did you even read it? "although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable" which is exactly what these all are -- Whats new?^(talk) 22:22, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per other articles - I believe you have misunderstood WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Artw (talk) 01:30, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:34, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tobias T. Gebb[edit]

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WP:BLP of a musician, with no strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC and not enough reliable source coverage to clear WP:GNG. This is based entirely on primary sources, such as his own personal website and the website of the record label he owns, with no evidence of reliable source coverage about him shown at all -- even the one thing that looks like a reliable source, Modern Drummer, actually turns out to be a piece he wrote about himself. All of which means that none of the sources present here are independent or notability-conferring ones. This is also a followup recreation after an earlier version, identical but for the addition of the self-written Modern Drummer source, was prodded for exactly the same reasons. So, unfortunately, it's AFD this time and maybe a dose of WP:SALT. Bearcat (talk) 16:49, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete- Fails WP:MUSICBIO does not pass basic GNG. FITINDIA 17:01, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Concur with the rationale of user's Fitindia and Bearcat . I looked at the article, reviewed the sources listed, and performed a Google search. I can find a lot about the subject, that is "from" the subject, like social media sites twitter and facebook, his "official" website, or the record company he owns. Otr500 (talk)

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:30, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lively (software)[edit]

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no notable software with only trivial references DGG ( talk ) 16:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete- Fails WP:COMPANY nothing there to prove notability. FITINDIA 17:07, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete only promotional and non significant. Light2021 (talk) 19:24, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete and redirect to Lorne Greene. Not a case of G11 since that does require the text to be promotional not the intent but that does not change the fact that notability was not established. Turning it back into the pre-article redirect seems uncontroversial though. So Why 10:51, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Voice of Doom[edit]

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Searches did not turn up enough in-depth coverage of this band to show they pass WP:GNG, and they certainly don't pass WP:NMUSIC. Was a redirect to Lorne Greene (one of his nicknames). Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Is a redirect to Lorne Greene's page for his nickname, more relevant than an established musical group who merely want to have a Wikipedia page? Wouldn't a "non-linked" mention of Lorne's nickname be sufficient? Voice of Doom is a legitimate act with multiple website mentions and reviews. They're also a licensed brand available on iTunes.

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~~Delete~~. Speedy delete. History section is fairly substantially similar to http://pyrrhicvictoryrecordings.com/voice-of-doom leading to the suspicion of copyvio and/or spam. The rest of the "references" are unimpressive. I see this as little more than a coatrack for the links at the bottom. --DanielRigal (talk) 17:38, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

--John Steinheimer (talk) 20:32, 22 June 2017 (UTC)I must say, I'm utterly confused by a user who thinks someone's nickname warrants an entire Wikipedia page when it can be noted on the person's page itself. The user claims the artist's references are unimpressive while most of the musical groups I research have supplied less. Also, the claim that the artist's history section is fairly substantially similar to its record label is incorrect. I did reference the record label's information but has substantially been rewritten. The band's history is in fact, it's history, so it will have similarities. I admit I'm a newbie to creating Wikipedia pages but a debate over whether a person's nickname should overrule an established recording artist's Wiki page is ridiculous.--John Steinheimer (talk) 20:32, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously? This thing is getting a 65.1% score on Earwig's Copyvio Detector[2]. Whole paragraphs here are clearly plagiarised. This does not count as "substantially rewritten". It doesn't even count as "half-heartedly rewritten to obfuscate plagiarism".

Normally, I wouldn't gut an article while it is being considered for deletion but Copyright Violation is a special case. I am going to rip out the minimum to get that score down to an an acceptable level. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Score is now down to 16.7%[3]. Some sentences still show signs of being lifted with minor changes but the worst is gone. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:47, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am also the author of that bio on the Pyrrhic Victory Recordings website, if that helps. I'm sure I can reword it further. Thanks for the heads up.--John Steinheimer (talk) 21:48, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

OK. That seems to replace the copyright issue with a conflict of interests issue. I'm upgrading my !vote to Speedy delete. --DanielRigal (talk) 22:06, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, speedy delete per G11 if Steinheinheimer is the one who wrote "group who merely want to have a Wikipedia page". The article cites two reviews by people from their own Pyrrhic Victory Recordings. Also, for people over a certain age, that happens to be a very famous nickname, much better known than some obscure band. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:39, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete References are either user submitted or small time, unimportant sources for establishing notability. ShelbyMarion (talk) 15:36, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Restore the redirect. Band is non-notable per above. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:17, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:27, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hassan Noor Ahmed Choudhary[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY. JTtheOG (talk) 14:36, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 09:00, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails both criteria Spiderone 17:46, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played or managed senior international football nor played or managed in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 11:51, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:30, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of the number of animals in Italy[edit]

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Well, does this need an introduction? Winged Blades^Godric 14:06, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm just trying to figure out if this could in any way be a proper member of Category:Lists by population (non-human). Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:40, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. A ridiculous list; no one will ever use it for any purpose. My very best wishes (talk) 20:30, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, textbook example of WP:LISTCRUFT. Ajf773 (talk) 11:05, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Draftify. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades^Godric 04:29, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Iinazuke Kyoutei[edit]

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Not a notable manga; coverage is lacking in either Japanese or English. An English search resulted mostly in scanlation sites or manga profiles, while the Japanese search resulted mainly in sites selling the manga or manga profiles as well. Does not appear to be licensed either. No prejudice against merging or redirecting to a list of manga published by Kadokawa, if such a list article exists. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 13:58, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. ~~No JA Wikipedia article either.~~ AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:06, 22 June 2017 (UTC) updated 18:52, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Actually there is one [4] I'm not sure if this proves notability though. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:43, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The article already has a page on japanese wikipedia. See the link[5], so i just make a page for english users because if it was against wikipedia's policy than it shouldn't be in japanese wikipedia also. -- Phoenix God (talk) 15:12, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If anyone is going to delete the article, Than i humbly request him to explain me that why did this page was allowed to be created in japanese but not english. -- Phoenix God (talk) 15:13, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Anyone can edit Wikipedia meaning that people can and do create articles that do not meet notability standards. On the Japanese wiki nobody has gotten around to placing that article up for deletion yet. We here on Wikipedia (English) have lots of biographies that are questionable so it would make sense that Wikipedia Japan is the same. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:26, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The manga is available on Kadokawa Shoten's official site. Check link[6].

Translate this page using Google Translate and you can see the description about Author and Publisher. -- Phoenix God (talk) 15:38, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I want to give you an example here: Samsung says that Samsung x is notable. While this could very well be the case we need other sources to say "yes Samsung x IS in fact notable for y & z reasons". Kadokawa Shoten saying things about itself doesn't prove notability, can you find some RELIABLE sources that are not just book releases? We need sources that give things like reviews for starters. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:06, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

But, The Google Play Books also identify that "許嫁協定" is published by Kadokawa. Check link[7]. -- Phoenix God (talk) 17:12, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The only thing it has though is release info, you need to find something with more substance than that. The main concern is notability here as we know the books exist and we know when they were released. In the grand scheme of things this doesn't tell us much, you have to look for things like; Did the books get good reviews? Were these books recommended? What inspired the author to make the series? Did the books win any awards? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:37, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can you suggest me some manga reviewing website that are valid on Wikipedia? -- Phoenix God (talk) 18:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sure right here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Online reliable sources. Since this thread is rather long I think I might hat it so it will be easier for the person closing this deletion discussion. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:35, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Userfy or Draft - It looks like @Phoenix God: would be willing to work on the article outside of the mainspace. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone look up reception for this series? Did it even chart on Oricon? I'm not seeing any coverage in ANN either. I struck my previous statement concerning JA Wikipedia. Looks like the article was so new it wasn't linked yet. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:50, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This series is a sex comedy, probably that's why Oricon and ANN don't have any coverage about this. Phoenix God (talk) 19:39, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not. ANN's encyclopedia at least has listings of adult and pornographic anime and manga. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:51, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to request a fluent user of Japanese on wikipedia to search for reference for this series, That's why please wait some more. -- Phoenix God (talk) 06:46, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

According to this fandom post Oricon did rank the Vol (8) of this manga series last year. Please check link[8] -- Phoenix God (talk) 11:29, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The ANN also identify that the Oricon has ranked the Vol (8) of this series 49th in August, 2016. Check link[9]. -- Phoenix God (talk) 12:11, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The ANN shows that the Oricon has ranked the Vol (7) of this series 45th in February, 2016. Check link[10]. -- Phoenix God (talk) 12:24, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

ANN doesn't have an entry though for the manga, so it hasn't appeared on their notability radar. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:17, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It is true that ANN doesn't have an entry for manga but according to the links above Oricon did ranked the manga. Does Oricon rankings are inappropriate on wikipedia? -- Phoenix God (talk) 05:41, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Best-seller list meets one of the first items in WP:BKCRIT. But it needs another reviews and analysis, since it needs "two or more". AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:36, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:23, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Moreno (DJ & music producer)[edit]

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Fails WP:ARTIST notability. The article is chock full of unsourced claims. A search does not reveal any available sources that discuss the subject in any depth. - Mr X 11:29, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete (A7). Non-notable, very likely promotional. No reliable sources can be located. - TheMagnificentist 13:35, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a non-notable music producer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:07, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:CREATIVE (which I think applies to music producers), as well as WP:ANYBIO. --bonadea contributions talk 08:33, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - clearly notable per WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. The article needs update and cleanup but that is not a reason for deletion. I also note that only Bonadea above gives any kind of reasoning for !voting delete. He is a very noted DJ. BabbaQ (talk) 09:07, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

BabbaQ, do you have any sources to back your claim? I am unable to locate any about this individual. - TheMagnificentist 09:11, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a claim. A simple Google search gives the facts.--BabbaQ (talk) 09:14, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You need to expand on your !vote just simply Non notable is a irrelevant. Regards.--BabbaQ (talk) 09:15, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

BabbaQ, Google doesn't show any reliable sources about this person. Only some Revolvy (Wikipedia mirror) and social media links are shown. Those aren't reliable. - TheMagnificentist 09:30, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- unremarkable producer. The article is highly promotional. K.e.coffman (talk) 16:13, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) - TheMagnificentist 15:01, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ned Lander[edit]

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BLP article that has been prodded twice, with no sources. scope_creep (talk) 11:21, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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comment what was "illegal" about the removed refs? Artw (talk) 23:10, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment They were IMDB refs, user generated content, not under editorial control, and as such not allowed as proper refs, since they can't be verified correctly. But even using the IMDB links, I don't think he was notable, although it is up to the discussion to determine it. scope_creep (talk) 01:42, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Director of significant and well known film, Wrong Side of the Road. Multiple AACTA Awards (previously AFI) nominations. duffbeerforme (talk) 04:49, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He's won at least one AACTA/AFI award, as producer of Best Documentary in 1994 (50 Years of Silence). Plus nominations in other years including Wrong Side of the Road which is a very notable film. The article itself needs to be improved, there are probably references out there talking about Lander's long history in films about Indigenous Australian topics. Boneymau (talk) 06:11, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Directed historically important and notable film Wrong Side of the Road. Online coverage is limited as someone who made films in pre-internet days, but he is featured in several books and articles on Australian film and particularly the representation of Aboriginals. More recently he's worked at Special Broadcasting Service which has attracted a bit of coverage in Australian media trade press. --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:09, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:26, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Emily Owen, Labour candidate for Aberconwy[edit]

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Political candidate, doesn't meet WP:POLITICIAN. WP:1E, got some coverage (mainly tabloids) because she received sexually explicit messages while running as a political candidate. Boleyn (talk) 10:59, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Does not meet the notability guidelines for politicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:02, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the coverage is gossip coverage. WP:NPOL is the appropriate test and she fails that. Power~enwiki (talk) 20:23, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. NN candidate. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:27, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: fails WP:NPOLITICIAN. DrStrauss talk 06:25, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:34, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

VISTE[edit]

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non-notable local voluntary organisation. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:15, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: A worthy cause but searches are finding little better than passing mention of VISTE as one of several recipients under a "Goals for Food" initiative; insufficient independent coverage to establish notability. AllyD (talk) 19:15, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete nothing is hereLight2021 (talk) 19:31, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:31, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammad Khawas Khan Golra Awan[edit]

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no reference cited. Saqib (talk) 09:27, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I searched for English language references and didn't find anything that shows he may pass WP:GNG. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 10:34, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - References are already a problem, but the last chapters don't make any sense.Your welcome | Democratics ^Talk 12:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus.

When it comes to notability, there is no clear consensus whether she actually meets GNG or not with multiple editors arguing both sides convincingly. The reason I decided to close this discussion rather than to relist it was that the majority of the discussion was instead about questions that this AFD cannot and should not decide but should be discussed first in a broader fashion with input from the whole community.

I am, of course, speaking of the question of paid COI editing. A number of editors have argued that this alone, no matter the merits of the article, is sufficient to delete the article. Which it isn't, at least how the policy is currently worded. While WP:PAID clearly mentions that paid contributions without prior disclosure are against the Foundation's ToU, there is nothing in this or any other applicable policy that supports the fruit of the poisonous tree arguments made in this AFD. Currently, as much as many people might hate it, there is no policy-based reason to delete an article just because it was created in violation of WP:PAID, especially when the same article was later cleaned up by other editors and - despite it's promotional origin - no longer violates any policies (in its current state); WP:NOTPROMO in particular does not actually say "delete such articles", it just says that all articles have to follow the policies and WP:COI "discourages" such editing without explicitly forbidding it.

As WP:PAID#Changing this policy mentions, that policy can be changed and judging from this discussion, there might be consensus to do so. However, this is not the correct venue to do so. If and when such a discussion took place, the article's fate can be re-assessed based on the outcome of this discussion.

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Sheryl Nields[edit]

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No evidence of notability. Some of the sources cited aren't independent, some don't even mention the subject. Among the acceptable sources, I have found just one word "stylistically" that is about the subject. I've looked for better sources, and failed to find any. Maproom (talk) 08:20, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. With three awards, the Annenberg Space for Photography profile, and the inclusion in Portraits: The World's Top Photographers and the Stories Behind Their Greatest Images, meets WP:GNG and WP:ARTIST. -- Softlavender (talk) 09:10, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article as it stands has a nasty taint of the promotional bio, but she has received media coverage over several years, with a couple of articles in American Photo magazine and some other coverage, as well as a lot of shorter articles on her photoshoots and famous images. None of it is super-lengthy, but I think there's enough. --Colapeninsula (talk) 11:33, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete I am not convinced by the notab. arguments.Pure promotional work. Winged Blades^Godric 12:56, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

strong keep The sources make it clear that this person passes the GNG. Any additional promotionalism (and some has been removed) can be (and is being) dealt with via normal editing. There is no policy-based reason to delete here. The sourced awards alone are sufficient to establish notability. Softlavender put it well above. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 13:30, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The IMP awards are not a notable award. Per the award website impawards.com "Each year we choose our picks for the best and worst movie posters of the year as well as winners in various genre categories, best taglines, best TV posters and more." They don't actually award anything, there's no prize etc. Similarly, a merit award for Celebrity Profile by the Society of Publication Designers means she was published in the society's Publication Design Annual. None of this establishes notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mduvekot (talk • contribs) 01:37, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not sufficiently notable with in-depth coverage in RS. Annenberg Space for Photography includes "emerging photographic talents" so it's not clear the significance of that. I found this review of the Portraits book: "To put it succinctly, this is a book for people who are fascinated by celebrities. It can only be of passing interest to a photographer. This is a book of celebrity photographers taking photographs of celebrities. It's doubtful that any of these would have made it past a magazine editor had the subject not been a celebrity. I naively thought this was a book about portrait photography. Pass it by." This does not impress me. Everything else also seems minor. MB 15:42, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A bad review is just as relevant as a good review for notability. We don't delete articles because someone has a bad review. --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:13, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I take it that MB's argument here is that the bad review of the book means that it is not an RS. That is not a method we normally apply, I think. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The review in question is an amazon review. It is not used in the article. It does however, support the view that Nield's work is not of encyclopedic interest. Mduvekot (talk) 16:29, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I don't believe the book is a RS. The National Enquirer is "published", but not considered a RS. This book seems to be the equivalent of tabloid journalism, published to make money off the fascination with celebrities.MB 17:07, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I agree with MB's assessment on notability: the sources aren't in depth and don't demosntrate why the subject is significant. Even if it is a GNG pass, it is borderline. Additionally, GNG is only part of WP:N, the other part is the requirement that it pass the policy of WP:NOT. WP:NOTSPAM is relevant here. The article creator is a declared paid editor, which is fine under the WMF terms of use. It does not mean, however, that we aren't able to enforce local policy here. The editor created the page on a non-notable to borderline notable at best creative because they were specifically paid to create a Wikipedia article that would be indexed by Google. Their name makes it clear that they are a marketing person and they have declared that they were paid for this reason. While this might be okay under the TOU it is quite clearly a violation of NOTSPAM by any reasonable definition of the term promotionalism and seals the deal on deletion. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:05, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, and strongly. TonyBallioni's assessment above says all that needs to be said and quotes the relevant policies and guidelines. The creator, Marcomgirl (Marketing Communication), believes that the paid editing declaration as required by policy means free rein to make money out of the volunteers' work here - that's not the way the declaration is supposed to work. Sadly, I have also been attacked for my comments on this issue by a sysop who appears (to me at least) to support paid editing. I will be further investigating the motives behind Marcomgirl's other creations with regards to WP:NOTSPAM and if appropriate I will propose them for deletion. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:23, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- That would, I presume, be me. I disagreed, strongly with a comment you made on the talk page of the creator here, and i said so. I did not think of it as an attack. Nor would I say that I support paid editing. If I could fully banish it, I would. Since no one can, I think it is best to induce (at least some) paid editors to comply with our terms by properly disclosing their status. As I understand the current policies and consensus on paid editing, once an editor does disclose properly, that editor should be treated like any other editor, with contributions evaluated on their own merits, regardless of who made them. That is what I ask for here. If this article had been created by a new editor with no indication of COI, or an established editor who tends to add pages about people with pop-culture affiliations, would the views in this discussion have been the same? I will grant that the notability here is not the most clearly established I have ever seen, and if this article is deleted the wiki will not tremble. But there seems to me a double standard at work here, and I think that there should not be. Perhaps I am mistaken. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:07, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

While AfD is generally for debating the existence of an article, the process often provides good service as a place where sockpuppettry, spam, Copyvio, and other issuese are flushed out or brought to notice. I am of the general opinion that that the creator of this article in having declared her COI, is gaming the system. This does not man that I do not AGF - it means that I identify a clearly prmotional agenda for financial gain on the back of our volunteers' work. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:46, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I also don't see a double standard here: we delete plenty of articles created within the terms of use by volunteer editors who are not paid for violating Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion. This can range from term paper like essays on one end advocating a specific point of view to clear promotion by a paid editor that has asked a question about how to get the article a client paid them to create indexed by a search engine and has a name that makes it clear they work in marketing. GNG alone is not enough to meet WP:N, and we delete plenty of term papers and dictionary definitions about things that would otherwise meet GNG. I don't see why we should make an exception to the policy for paid editors. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:01, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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deleteDoes not actually meet GNG. Very well written promo, but promo ne'ertheless.Dlohcierekim (talk) 03:02, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Even if the subject did meet the requirements of the General Notability Guideline, which she doesn't, that would only give the article the presumption of suitability for a stand-alone article. In other words; she is probably notable, but not necessarily so. However, the article would still fail the What Wikipedia is not policy. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for self-promotion. Considering how weak the sources are and the lack of significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject and that the article should be excluded under the What Wikipedia is not policy, this topic does not merit an article. Per WP:CREATIVE, which is relevant here, the subject is not an important figure, is not widely cited by peers or successors, is not known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique, has not created a significant or well-known work, her work has not been the primary subject of an independent and notable work or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, her work has not become a significant monument, has not been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, has not won significant critical attention, and is not represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums. The sourcing is exceptionally poor; the spin ref for example has only: "This photograph by Sheryl Nields", but is used to support the otherwise unsupported statement "Her early experimentation with a distorted perspective for her photograph of musician Beck featured in the July, 1994 issue of Spin was a precursor to her technique of using the photoshoot set simply as a starting point to capture portrait and fashion images from unique angles incorporating untraditional(sic) lighting elements". Mduvekot (talk) 11:21, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Not great notability, but seems sufficient; some high-profile work, some awards, referenced to reasonably prominent sources. Style does not seem overly promotional at this point. Thus, if the product is something that meets our requirements, I don't think we can bin it based on dislike of the originator - who, until and unless the WMF finally grows a pair re paid editing, has not stepped outside the bounds of expected behaviour. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:30, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment, have added some words including about awards received but would be more comfortable with more ie. are Neilds' work held by any notable galleries/museums? Coolabahapple (talk) 15:27, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but tag for cleanup of promotional material. The notability of the subject, Nields, is the question, and it appears to me that Nields does meet general notability guidelines. Whether the creator of the article has acted in bad faith or has tried to game the system is not the question in this debate. Please take any issues about the conduct of the author to WP:ANI or to ArbCom. (I agree that she seems to be saying that because she declared her paid status, she should be given the same treatment as a volunteer editor, and that is nonsense. However, the question is the notability of Nields.) Robert McClenon (talk) 00:32, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. the combination of promotional intent and weak sourcing is sufficient for deletion. Otherwise it would still be very borderline for ntoability. Inclusion in a book which the publisher called "notable photographers" is not evidence for notability. I see no evidence the awards are sufficiently major. DGG ( talk ) 14:08, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, DGG, inclusion in a book by a reputable publisher is precisely the kind of evidence we use every day to help establish notability at AfDs. It may not be sufficient evidence on its own, but it is not without value. it shows that a reputable publisher, aka a reliable source, thought her work worthy of note. We need not agree, but should not simply discount this. Indeed significant mention in a single book-length reliable source is often thought sufficient to establish notability with nothing more cited. Let us apply similar standards here. Any promotional content can be dealt with by normal editing, and in this case I am confident will be. The intent of the creator should not be relevant, only the notability and suitability of the subject, and the actual content of the article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:08, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
When you say reputable publisher, do you mean RotoVision, the publisher of books like 100 Awesome Hair Days and Color Me Wild (with over 60 amazing geometric colour-by-number designs)? Then what is your criterion for reputable? Mduvekot (talk) 21:34, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete per MB and TonyBallioni's analyses. - GretLomborg (talk) 20:47, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Her work is reviewed in several RS including LA Times and American Photo. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:56, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't call this a review. It's a gift guide (it even says so in the title) , not a critical assessment of an artist's work. I get that out of fear that we ourselves may have a bias against the author because she's a paid editor, we should exercise an an overabundance of caution to treat the article as we would any other; on it's merits alone. I have asked myself if I'm just arguing for deletion because I am opposed to paid editing. But no. The sources are the trivial kind of writing that even serious news outlets routinely engage in as entertainment, not serious journalism. Just because it has references to otherwise notable sources like the LA times, does not mean that we ought to consider the gift guide as on par with serious art criticism. We wouldn't cite the LA times horoscope to verify that I am, in their words, A subdued version of my warrior self, empathizing with people instead of battling with them, would we? Mduvekot (talk) 22:20, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mduvekot, A guide to buying a book from the LA Times is pretty significant since it's a major newspaper, not some rag. The LA Times article shows attention from the media and establishes notability along with other reliable sources cited in the article. The fact that Nields' work made it to the attention of the LA Times and the other photographic magazines is significant. You've already !voted, and I have read your opinion. I've expressed my own evaluation of the article and disagree with you. Your tone in the comment above is also bordering on sarcastic. I know you are using this tone to make a point: however, I would ask that you tone it down please. This is a discussion, not a snark-fest. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 23:26, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A book buying guide in a newspaper is normally a promotional feature, and had no relationship to a substantial book review. Arranging that something "made it to the attention of" a newspaper is a PR technique. Even so, the LA times did not give it a regular review. DGG ( talk ) 00:15, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete in accordance with policy. This was created without disclosure by a paid editor, in violation of the Terms of Use of the Foundation and of our paid-contribution disclosure policy, which, in case anyone has forgotten, is a Wikipedia policy with legal considerations (the editor did eventually make disclosure some five days later, after Uncle Roy asked her to). It was created for pay, for the sole purpose of promotion – that the tone is no longer promotional is immaterial, a neutrally-phrased advertisement is still an advertisement. This one, as DESiegel has noted on the talk-page, was also full of inaccuracies – what in plain English we would call "lies".

We don't permit undisclosed paid editing, and we strongly discourage COI editing of any kind; the only practical way we have of doing that is to undo COI edits. Notability is irrelevant here (though I'm not seeing it). Nuke it, but without prejudice to re-creation if a bona-fide volunteer editor can establish notability. Isn't that how the OrangeMoody articles were handled? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 00:10, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That the tone is no longer promotional is highly materiel, indeed it makes the motives of the original creator totally irrelevant. A a neutrally-phrased advertisement might better be described as "an objective article" -- it isn't an advertisement at all. Inaccuracies can be cleared up by normal editing, and indeed would have been by now except for this AfD, as I was unwilling to be accrued of whitewashing by following up on my challenges while this AfD is in progress. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:23, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

DESiegel, I was thinking outside Wikipedia, of those advertisements by companies in the financial pages of serious newspapers, "the company has made profits of £n million. A dividend of x pence per share has been declared". It's neutral in tone, but it's still an advertisement even if it doesn't say "Baz is best, buy Baz" – and is sometimes headed "advertisement" to make clear that it's not part of the editorial text of the newspaper. We don't allow advertisements, even neutral ones. As for motivation, it is fundamental: a proper Wikipedia article is created with the intent of informing; this was created with the intent to promote, and – it seems – also to deceive. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 07:42, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to List of Hanna-Barbera characters. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:28, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jan (Space Ghost)[edit]

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Delete or merge to List of Hanna-Barbera characters. Doesn't merit to have separate article. Sulaimandaud (talk) 06:55, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as per nom into Space Ghost or List of Hanna-Barbera characters. - GretLomborg (talk) 13:27, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I've speedied this twice now. I'll settle for a redirect though. Deb (talk) 18:06, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge per nom as it fails WP:GNG as clearly as day. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:52, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge as I am unable to find RS coverage, per WP:ATD-M. Jclemens (talk) 02:37, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge if anyone wants to keep the content, otherwise redirect as a plausible search term. Josh Milburn (talk) 20:53, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Already done by someone else Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:25, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Casio AW-49[edit]

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Non notable. Doesn't merit to have article. just specifications of product Sulaimandaud (talk) 06:48, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete (or merge, though I'm not sure where). Doesn't meet WP:GNG, and I can't find any reliable independent sources for this. --Hirsutism (talk) 20:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete as unambiguous advertising. I requested a speedy deletion; let's see if it takes. K.e.coffman (talk) 20:15, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:24, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Angel of Anywhere[edit]

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unremarkable film. Zero news hits. Legacypac (talk) 06:42, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No mentions anywhere other than IMDb; as such falls well short of WP:GNG --Hazarasp (talk) 14:59, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes it might just be too soon. There is at least one James Kicklighter that is notable. Delete or userfy if the creator wishes. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:25, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete for now per being premature. Slated for a 2017 release, we have no sourcing showing it as released or receiving adequate coverage. If author wishes it back as a draft, that'd be fine. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 01:46, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:32, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

RIJHAY SAMPSON[edit]

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Fails notability. On googling found 2 pages of his own accounts on various social media Sulaimandaud (talk) 06:35, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No evidence of notability in the article and none found in a Google search. Alansohn (talk) 02:22, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: An article by WP:SPA ProdByRE about a music producer known as "RE", previously speedy deleted A7. The biography is utterly mundane, using first person and seeking notability from others as well as the subject's Gofundme, and the Musical Style section is completely promotional: appropriate for the subject's social media pages, but not encyclopaedic. I am seeing nothing to indicate attained notability, by WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG. AllyD (talk) 09:07, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above ~ no evidence of notability. Happy days, Lindsay^Hello 08:58, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:23, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Aksh Baghla[edit]

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I was tempted to speedy this vanity page, but it's conceivably notable, so it's here instead Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:05, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete no claim of notability. The references are to low-quality domains like "mensxp.com", and the Youtube numbers claimed (and uncited) aren't impressive. Power~enwiki (talk) 06:19, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails GNG with reliable sources ChunnuBhai (talk) 08:05, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:28, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kuwaiti Football Records[edit]

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No context, no sources, no inclusion criteria Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 05:50, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:NOTSTATS. Giant Snowman 09:00, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - indiscriminate listing of stats Spiderone 10:18, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per WP:NOTSTATS. Fenix down (talk) 11:51, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:32, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Regene Lim[edit]

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This AfD is created in relation to the AfD that I have raised earlier, for more information please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Damien Teo. In the earlier AfD, the page Damien Teo was deleted as the notability of the individual in question failed WP:GNG. I have also nominated other individuals, who are also non-notable child actors in Singapore, in the AfD and they have all been deleted as well. However, after the closing of the AfD, I realised that I have accidentally missed out another related individual, Regene Lim, who is another non-notable child actor in Singapore whose article should be deleted as well as she also failed WP:GNG. Therefore, I am relisting this AfD again, in relation to the earlier AfD to facilitate the deletion of the page Regene Lim on Wikipedia.

The reasoning and justification for this AfD is duplicated from the earlier AfD as it is the same, as follows:

A child actor who has acted in various drama series in Singapore. However, she is not as notable as other established actors/artistes in Singapore and should not be warranted an article. Winning awards in a local award show should not define the actors' notability in the Singaporean entertainment scene. It seems like someone has been trying to mass create Wikipedia articles for Singaporean child actors. I have came to notice about this as I am a regular editor of the page Star Awards for Young Talent. Many child actors' names have been linked to a standalone article of themselves. I have read through the articles and found them really unnecessary as most of them do not have any notability. DerricktanJCW (talk) 04:06, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Damien Teo AfD. - TheMagnificentist 13:46, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom and prior AfD. No indication they pass WP:GNG as per searches, and definitely doesn't meet WP:NACTOR. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:27, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:33, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Stevan J. Korda[edit]

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No sources; a bunch of WP:FRINGE content on the page. A PROD was declined in 2009 on the page. I only find coverage in biographical listings or in sources that appear to be copied from Wikipedia. Power~enwiki (talk) 03:41, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Passing trivia at very best; uncited fringe. Kierzek (talk) 13:54, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete While he might meet WP:JOURNALIST/WP:AUTHOR there are no sources in the article to establish this and I haven't been able to find significant sources in English. If someone produces sources in Serbo-Croatian I might change my mind. However as it is - the article is poor enough that there won't be any great loss if it is deleted even if he is notable in no-English.Icewhiz (talk) 12:51, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Unanimous agreement to delete, so closing this even though it was just relisted. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:47, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

David Friel[edit]

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Self created article referenced only to IMDB; list of credits there shows only minor roles, nothing to meet WP:NACTOR and nothing in article to suggest meeting WP:GNG Melcous (talk) 23:26, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom as non-notable. --Lockley (talk) 21:38, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No references to meet WP:NACTOR and a largely unsourced BLP to boot. A Train^talk 15:28, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the fact that the article was created by the person himself already rings alarm bells for me. There is only one source (his IMDB page) which is ineligible as it does not denote notability. Thus, the article and its subject fail to achieve GNGs and the article can be safely deleted. GR _{(Contact me) (See my edits)} 21:11, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. So Why 11:36, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of Canadian women government ministers[edit]

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Not a useful list. This is serving only to replicate the contents of Category:Canadian women government ministers -- but the standard needed for a list and a category to coexist is that the list is doing something different: extended content about the overall concept, providing a one-stop-shopping location for a category that's otherwise diffused into subcategories instead of directly containing all of its potential entries, being more completist than a category can be since a category can't hold entries that don't have articles to file, and on and so forth. But this list isn't doing any of those things: it's just listing the exact same entries (and not even all of them), which means it isn't serving any purpose that the category isn't already fulfilling. Bearcat (talk) 14:40, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Original editor has been blocked for misbehavior, created a lot of articles requiring cleanup, and I see nothing in this particular list worth saving. --Lockley (talk) 18:03, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as index of articles per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN as complement to Category:Canadian women government ministers. The nomination misstates what CLN says, and the difference from the category comes from the inherent characteristics of the format itself (CLN lays these out, in addition to noting how some editors/readers prefer one format over another so don't delete either just based on your preference for one). You instead need a special reason why a list shouldn't exist in tangent with the category rather than special justification for it existing. Notwithstanding that, the nomination also fails to consider the list's potential for annotation, direct sourcing, table formatting and sorting, and other alternate means of organization, all of which are functions a category cannot perform, and this consideration of potential is required by WP:BEFORE, WP:ATD, and WP:PRESERVE. "Delete because it has not yet been developed" is simply not a valid position at AFD, yet that's what I read above. postdlf (talk) 21:31, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per nom. The list it totally redundant with Category:Canadian women government ministers and will be much harder to maintain and keep up to date. - GretLomborg (talk) 18:38, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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'Delete -- the category is sufficient in this case and is more useful anyway. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:08, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but reorganize. Alphabetical isn't useful but there's every reason to have this list, ideally organized chronologically and with identifying information about which ministry each woman headed.--Carwil (talk) 02:37, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I think that my understanding of WP:CLN is somewhere between Bearcat's and Postdif's, but I do see this as a case when a list article is a reasonable addition to the category. A set of inclusion criteria would be easy to specify, and the list is not so large as to be impossible to maintain (regardless of whether someone is, at this time, maintaining it). In fact, we have a whole category Category:Lists of female political office-holders. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 03:24, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - As per Northamerica1000. SophisticatedSwampert ^{let's talk about that} 04:44, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. So Why 11:58, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of winners of the Åke Blomström Award (ABA)[edit]

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no indication the prize for beginning journalists is sufficiently notable to have this list. I'm not even sure that any of it is suitable for merging in to thearticleo n the prize. I point out there is no article on the prize in the svWP. DGG ( talk ) 01:02, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, none of the names are notable. Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. Ajf773 (talk) 06:56, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per nom. Note that we now also have the articles List of Requirements for participation in the Åke Blomström Award (ABA) and List of International Cooperation and Financing of The Åke Blomström Award, which seem even less notable. Manxruler (talk) 11:28, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, Since this is an international prize, there is no point in creating a specific swedish wiki article. The winners, and the selection committee, are from many different countries, and most people don´t speak swedish. I have no affiliation with any of the involved organisations. I created the WPsw article about Åke Blomström as a consequence of contributing to the wikipedia article about my father. Not creating a swedish article of the prize was a natural choice. Swedish wikipedia has not deleted any article concerning the prize, that I know of. It is not inconceivable that all, or some, of the winners may merit a wikipedia article WP:CREATIVE, although this is beyond my current knowledge. Therefore also WP:DEMOLISH. 123johanlindeberg (talk) 17:51, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I see the none of the recent prizewinners has an article on either the enWP or the svWP, and that many of the earlier awards are merely travel grants for travel to other competitions. I do not see how an award almost exclusively given to non-notable people can be notable. DGG ( talk ) 08:47, 18 June 2017 (UTC) .[reply]

Comment I don´t agree. The Fields Medal e.g. can be given to a young person who is not notable, but has done something important. I refer to this article as an example of the importance of the prize : http://www.rte.ie/about/en/press-office/press-releases/2013/0306/374455-prestigious-international-award-for-documentary-on-one-programme/. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123johanlindeberg (talk • contribs) 21:52, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -- does not meet WP:NLIST and is essentially promotion. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:05, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Promotion of what exactly? Promotion of radio? Then there should be no information about The Oscars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Picture. These programs are free to listen to, unlike commercial movies, as far as I understand. The national radio channels agree to send the programs. Participation at the IFC is in the interest of people working in this field. If you mean promotion of freelance radio producers then this is also promotion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Documentary_Feature 123johanlindeberg (talk) 18:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I now realize that you might consider links, leading to any information source other than Wikipedia, as promotion. Even though you don´t state that explicitly. I cannot provide information about individuals on this list by writing articles about them, because of lack of knowledge, so I plan to remove "external" links. I have also included coaches on this list, but since they are not the winners, and should be considered as being part of the prize, I will remove them also. 123johanlindeberg (talk) 09:19, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete lack of sources to show this is a notable award.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:25, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I will add some more external links, such as "Two Goldsmiths MA Radio alumni recognised in prestigious Åke Blomström radio feature award" 123johanlindeberg (talk) 09:42, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have added links to those winners who have wikipedia articles written about them. 123johanlindeberg (talk) 10:01, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. WP:SOFTDELETE given the low input Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:25, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

DJ Dero[edit]

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Non-notable musician. - TheMagnificentist 11:23, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus with WP:NPASR. Two relists only brought one further real comment (plus one WP:PERX) which did not mention a policy-based reason for deletion (but instead admitted that the topic might actually be notable). So Why 19:37, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of housing cooperatives in Canada[edit]

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Not a useful list. Canada literally has thousands upon thousands of housing cooperatives, since virtually every city of even moderate size will have a few dozen, and even smaller towns will often have a handful too -- but as things stand right now, just six of them actually have their own standalone articles, all six of them are already filed in Category:Housing cooperatives in Canada, and this list just replicates those same six rather than aiming for anything more comprehensive. While it's true that lists aren't automatically deemed redundant with categories per WP:CLN, it's also true that every category doesn't automatically need to be paired with its own matching list of the same contents -- to warrant maintaining both, the list needs to be doing something useful that the category can't do (such as being more completist, or actually containing written content about the notability of the concept, or being a one-stop-shopping location for a category that's otherwise diffused into subcategories). But if all the list is going to do is replicate the category contents with no added context for why the list is doing something different than the category is, then we don't need the list. Bearcat (talk) 14:16, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as index of articles per WP:LISTPURP and WP:CLN as complement to Category:Housing cooperatives in Canada. The nomination misstates what CLN says, and the difference from the category comes from the inherent characteristics of the format itself (CLN lays these out, in addition to noting how some editors/readers prefer one format over another so don't delete either just based on your preference for one). You instead need a special reason why a list shouldn't exist in tangent with the category rather than special justification for it existing. Notwithstanding that, the nomination also fails to consider the list's potential for annotation, direct sourcing, table formatting and sorting, and other alternate means of organization, all of which are functions a category cannot perform, and this consideration of potential is required by WP:BEFORE, WP:ATD, and WP:PRESERVE. "Delete because it has not yet been developed" is simply not a valid position at AFD, yet that's what I read above. postdlf (talk) 21:32, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The nominator correctly understands what CLN says: it does not say that lists and categories should always coexist with each other, but specifies that while sometimes there are valid reasons why a list and a category should coexist, there are also sometimes valid reasons why content should be organized in one form or the other but not in both. Table formatting and sorting, for example, are formatting matters for how a list should be organized, not reasons in and of themselves why a list needs to exist. What other criterion, besides alphabetizing their names as the category already does, do we need a list of six entries to offer alternate resortability on, for starters? And what further annotation needs to be provided here, and what additional sourcing needs to be added besides what's already present in the articles themselves? Bearcat (talk) 15:37, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your nomination claimed that "...the list needs to be doing something useful that the category can't do..." Those formatting and annotation possibilities for development provide just that (and the annotations could include year of founding, specific location, size, notes on history/special features, etc., and direct footnotes for all of this). Your position, whatever its merits, that the list isn't required to coexist here is also not the same as arguing that it isn't permissible, so whence deletion? postdlf (talk) 20:58, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm a big proponent of CLN here, but with the list creator indef blocked (in part for persistent bare-minimum page creation), and the nominator the most likely person up here imo to expand the list and turn it into something useful, I've no objection in this case. Weak delete. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:08, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete - As per Shawn in Montreal. SophisticatedSwampert ^{let's talk about that} 04:48, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. With no further discussion of the sources provided, I'm closing this as no consensus. Before renominating, consider whether it can be merged to the company's article instead. So Why 12:01, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Maple T.A.[edit]

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Does not meet the notability guidelines for web content(this being a web-based program). The only source offered is the website of the company that created it. I could find no sources offering in-depth coverage of this software. It was tagged with an A7 deletion request(importance) in September but it was removed. The proposed CSD was contested with the explanation "This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because this page is intended to be an information source about a product (Maple T.A.). This was the first bit of information created for this page and more content is to be created in the future." which is a promotional purpose- also suggesting that the page creator has a COI. 331dot (talk) 14:35, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If you are looking for articles on Maple T.A., they can be provided. Am I to include them as reference, or here, or both? RochelleAngyal (talk) 14:40, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Either would be satisfactory. They will need to be independent reliable sources(please review if you haven't yet). 331dot (talk) 14:41, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, here would be preferable, as you should not directly edit articles about your company or its products per the conflict of interest policy. 331dot (talk) 14:42, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Here is an article from a digital testing consultant in the Netherlands discussing digital testing with Maple T.A.^[1] Additional academic research publications are coming.RochelleAngyal (talk) 18:22, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Conference presentation from TU Delft on their assessment practices. ^[2]RochelleAngyal (talk) 18:25, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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^ https://www.methakamminga.nl/MapleTA/TheTenPitfallsOfDigitalTesting.pdf
^ http://www.maplesoft.com/Whitepapers/DelftseToetspraktijkUK.pdf

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The result was delete. So Why 19:29, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

B4bonah[edit]

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Speedy deletion tag removed multiple times from page creator and IP. Subject lacks notability and significant coverage in reliable sources. Meatsgains (talk) 23:23, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment If he has had a hit in Ghana, then he's notable per WP:MUSICBIO. But I can't find any sources to back up that claim. --Colapeninsula (talk) 08:06, 8 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - (talk) he has had a hit song and has also collaberated with africa biggest artirst Sarkodie (rapper) and dr cryme, this are all major artist from ghana.. also his music's are on itunes.. u can also check .. 'b4bonah on iTunes

Do you have any reliable sources covering his hit song? Meatsgains (talk) 14:53, 12 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Meatsgains (talk) please am really new with all this technicalities.. but I will be glad if you could help me review the pages rather than nominating them for delation.. thank you ref Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers .

Don't pull the innocent card here and stop attempting to remove the AfD tag. Meatsgains (talk) 15:09, 13 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - all am saying now is that i want you guys should help improve the article b4bonah .. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Acyd101 (talk • contribs) 11:53, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There is not sign of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. All significant coverage appears non-independent. WP:CHARTS does not list an "official" chart for Ghana but the claim "his hit single "Dear God" which was able to top charts" requires some form of source and none is in the article or apparently available through searching. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:33, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Alibaba. So Why 12:02, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alisports[edit]

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All information is regarding Alibaba group. Sulaimandaud (talk) 06:19, 14 June 2017 (UTC) Support- this could be summed up with a single SHORT paragraph on the Alibaba main article El cid, el campeador (talk) 14:34, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -- not a management directory / WP:WEBHOST for companies' promotional messages. WP:ADVOCACY of the worst kind. K.e.coffman (talk) 07:20, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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redirect/Merge into the Alibaba article per Gnews returns d.g. L3X1 (distænt write) )evidence( 15:11, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. So Why 12:03, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Laksa Kedah[edit]

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Article has only recipe. Sulaimandaud (talk) 06:33, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete WP:NOTCOOKBOOK. I can find references for the dish in cookbooks, such as this one at Page 233, but the fact remains that this article is nothing but a recipe. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 21:13, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:33, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Supply evangelist[edit]

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This concept does not appear to be notable. The term is not used in the one source cited, and a search does not suggest that the topic has been the subject of significant coverage. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:52, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -- some sort of WP:ADVOCACY & a personal essay. Not evident that this concept even exists. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Possibly original research or self-promotion. Definitely not notable. Power~enwiki (talk) 04:21, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No RS. Possibly original research. --Hirsutism (talk) 20:09, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. No substantial progress since the last relist but I'm comfortable with interpreting two delete arguments, a good nomination, and no counter-arguments as a consensus to delete. A Train^talk 15:25, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kaori Yamagata[edit]

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Non-notable voice actress. JA Wikipedia shows a credits dump. ANN has no notable articles to cover her career, just cast announcements. No major roles. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:12, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - It appears she was Anna in a Tekken OVA. Is that considered a major role? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:11, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Anna is a major character in the franchise, but she's supporting in Tekken: The Motion Picture. But go ahead and count that one as a major role. Any others? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:36, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Major role" I suppose refers to WP:NACTOR, #1, but I do not agree that our policy's idea of "role" easily translates to a voice artist. Without reliable sourcing, the GNG is not met: delete. Drmies (talk) 02:39, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - voice actresses are run of the mill. Sorry. Bearian (talk) 17:08, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - she has dubbed a large number of English-language movies, and actors who commonly do this are among the most recognized actors in their countries of origin. See here. - Richard Cavell (talk) 20:35, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Where are those articles that show she's most recognized? And not just cast listings/announcements, but ones that hail her as significant for dubbing those roles? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:40, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:29, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of programs broadcast by CJON-DT[edit]

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List of programs broadcast by an individual independent television station. While lists of this type are permitted for national networks, I can't find any other evidence in Category:Lists of television series by network of them existing for standalone stations as well. And furthermore, while the station is nominally independent of Canada's national networks, in actual practice it doesn't buy standalone broadcast rights to any programming that's exclusive to it, but just sublicenses a crossnetwork mix of programs from CTV and Global — so it's still basically a dual affiliate of both networks nonetheless, with its only real point of "independence" being that it's not faithful to either network's standard schedule. The end result being that apart from its own local newscast (which doesn't have its own standalone article separate from the "news" section of the station article) and maybe a few syndication strips, pretty much everything listed here is already going to be in either List of programs broadcast by CTV and CTV Two or List of programs broadcast by Global anyway. All of which means there's just no need for this. Bearcat (talk) 17:09, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -- 'cruft & unnecessary cross categorisation. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:37, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Would be a keep if it was actually maintained in any manner, but we're stuck in the 2014-15 season on this article, plus this can easily just be maintained as a mention of what's currently on in summary form in the CJON-DT article. Nate • (chatter) 04:35, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:06, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistan Union Norway[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Wholly unsourced article, apparently translated from no:Pakistansk Forening Norge, which is also unsourced. The organisation does exist -- it has a Facebook page -- but I haven't found any independent reliable sources, let alone significant coverage therein. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 08:09, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per nom; no sources on the page and no reason to believe this group is notable. Power~enwiki (talk) 04:28, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. It lacks sources to establish notability under WP:GNG and I cannot find any WP:RS for it. - GretLomborg (talk) 13:24, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. WP:SOFTDELETE given low input Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:27, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Husch Blackwell[edit]

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Sources in the article are all either primary, press releases, or trivial coverage. Sources on-line are a bit better, but I could find nothing more than passing references or more PR things. Hobit (talk) 11:00, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:30, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Megha Mathew[edit]

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Non notable actress. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. Has supposedly acted in 2 movies - Aanandam in which she is not even billed and Oru Mexican Aparatha in which she had a very minor role. All the references are about the movies, and her acting career section is therefore just information about the movies - the directors, actors, producers etc. Then there is also a section of her personal life which is unreferenced. Jupitus Smart 16:54, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Fails basic GNG and WP:NACTOR she needs to do more substantial and notable work to warrant a standalone page, for now its WP:TOOSOON. FITINDIA 04:34, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Non-notable actress. Doesn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. --Skr15081997 (talk) 12:00, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. G4 —SpacemanSpiff 03:06, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Kishore Buxani[edit]

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An unremarkable businessman; significant RS coverage not found. Article previously deleted via PROD; a related article Buxani was deleted via AfD: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Buxani. Created by Special:Contributions/Sepialine with no other contributions outside this topic. Suggest salting due to persistent recreation. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:29, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and salt: Previously deleted as a result of the February AfD and now recreated by a new WP:SPA. Repeating my view from the previous AfD: "There is a FergusTan.net/Business Times piece on the subject's "passion for real estate" but neither that nor anything else seems sufficient to indicate the subject as more than a man going about his business or makes a convincing case for encyclopaedic notability, whether by WP:BASIC or WP:GNG." I see nothing to negate that view. AllyD (talk) 07:37, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. So Why 09:12, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Pakistan Women Muslim League[edit]

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A political party estabilished 4 years ago. No sources for it (its members) winning any elections, participating in elections, having notable members, nothing except a source that it was established (rotted, archive: [11] - reads like a short press release). I am all for countering systemic bias etc., but political parties are not notable just by existing, and this one's total lack of coverage in the last 4 years suggests it is not yet (ever?) encyclopedic. Through a search through Pakistani sources could help? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:40, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: fails WP:ORGDEPTH and WP:ORGIND, all I can find are article related to the party's existence or things like social media pages connected to it. - GretLomborg (talk) 18:52, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. If there's any English-language coverage, it's paywalled or offline. I can't find anything of substance on their activities (there's more on Rubina Shaheen than the org), and their social media presence is sparse on independent media. Urdu-language searchers might have better luck, but that range of material is inaccessible to this searcher. czar 05:21, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - First women's political party in Pakistan = notable. I have added a few English references. There are more available in Urdu per the party's website as a start. Article could use expansion, not deletion per WP:ATD. Hmlarson (talk) 02:44, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Only if the sourcing warrants it. The ref on the party's creation is brief, and both the Daily Times (Pakistan) and Dawn (newspaper) have no significant coverage past that. What sources from the website are reliable and give any depth on the org for us to write a full treatment of the topic? czar 04:56, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Anupam, Aamri2, Ahmed Nisar, Ahmer Jamil Khan, and Feroze Ahmad 2: Perhaps some of our Urdu speaking editors could help us figure out if any of the sources copied on the party's website are reliable, and if they give any substantial coverage about the party. Kaldari (talk) 06:09, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at a few of them briefly and the ones I've seen (Specifically, The Daily Subh and Daily Mashriq Peshawar) are both somewhat popular (Think: Toronto Sun to City News Toronto = Them to The Toronto Sun) and about as reliable as Pakistani newspapers can get (See Corruption in Pakistan), and they were covering the Pakistan Women Muslim League, but there are enough that they should be considered significantly covered. If you need details @Kaldari:, just ask. Aamri2 (talk) 21:06, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Aamri2, thanks. What do they say beyond mentioning that the org exists? Almost all of the clippings are single, short paragraphs—usually significant coverage means that the subject is covered in depth, such that we could write a deep encyclopedia article using the sources alone. czar 23:05, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Let's keep in mind WP:NOBLE - it doesn't matter how worthy a cause this is. If there is nothing but press releases for its inauguration, it is (sadly) not notable. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:09, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Guideline > essay. I just read Aamri2's comment again mentioning "significantly covered". Hmlarson (talk) 17:00, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Aamri2: Could you provide us with the name of the party in Urdu? That might help track down additional sources. Kaldari (talk) 18:05, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - It is my considered opinion that all articles about verified political parties, their leaders, and their youth sections should be automatically kept, regardless of size or ideology. This is the sort of information that our readers have reason to expect to be included in a comprehensive encyclopedia. I base this opinion upon the policy of Ignore All Rules (use common sense to improve the encyclopedia). Carrite (talk) 23:23, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete nothing to signify its notability Light2021 (talk) 19:21, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Aamri2 says the Urdu sources are reliable and it "should be considered significantly covered". I'm willing to take his word on it since I can't read the sources myself. I also think we should err on the side of caution here, per Carrite. Official political parties have a fair degree of inherent notability (even if our current guidelines don't say so). There's a good chance that when an election rolls around, people are going to be looking for information about this party, so even our current stub is probably better than nothing. Kaldari (talk) 00:36, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There's a whole lot of crystal ball in these keep arguments—the party hasn't won a seat in an election, right? I'm afraid that "significant coverage" quoted twice from Aamri2's post here refers to the newspapers indeed mentioning the party (as our English sources do) but without the depth with which we'd write an actual encyclopedia article about the org. All of the clippings on their website are short, and almost all are a single paragraph... Without more detail on what those clippings contain and perhaps the facts that are missing from this article, I don't see how we'd have an encyclopedia article, nevertheless sigcov. czar 03:31, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Iagree with Carrite about this: we should be as inclusive as possible about political parties. It's the only way to avoid unconscious bias. DGG ( talk ) 03:45, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:25, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

David Budworth[edit]

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Largely unsourced (the sources generally aren't about David Budworth) and apparently written by a family genealogist of the Budworths. Though I'm sure this is of great interest to David Budworth's relatives, it isn't suitable for Wikipedia. Fails WP:GNG (and WP:V). Sionk (talk) 05:42, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. WP:OR and WP:GNG issues. Much of the content is about turbines/etc., not about him. I don't see anything that would warrant his inclusion in an encyclopedia. Not all engineers are notable. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:00, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -- largely unsourced original research and a tribute page. Article does not establish notability and significant RS coverage is not found. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:06, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.

First things first: Despite commonly being used as an argument, WP:GNG does not have to be met if a WP:SNG is met. WP:N is quite clear on that as pointed out by TheDragonFire when it says: "A topic is presumed to merit an article if: It meets either the general notability guideline below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline listed in the box on the right; [...]" (emphasis added). In this case, there is no consensus that she has won "a well-known and significant industry award", so PORNBIO was not met anyway, rendering the discussion moot.

However, what those arguing for keep based on WP:PORNBIO seem to have overlooked is that Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Additional criteria, of which PORNBIO is a part, clearly states that those standards are mere indicators of notability, helping users to determine how an article should be handled. The actual criteria the article has to meet are mentioned in WP:BASIC which mostly mirrors GNG. Failing GNG will usually mean failing BASIC however unlike GNG BASIC explicitly allows combining multiple sources with non-substantial non-trivial coverage to establish notability, something those arguing along the lines of GNG should remember.

In this case, there were a number of sources mentioned but dismissed as merely trivial mentions at best, something that was not really disputed by those providing them (whether another user is "anti-porn" or not does not change the quality of the sources provided). Without any demonstration of "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject" (WP:BASIC), deletion was the only correct outcome.

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Alektra Blue[edit]

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Hasn't improved since last discussion. Still fails gng and consensus us has hardened against marginal/incredibly thin awards as substitutes for actual rs. Spartaz ^Humbug! 20:11, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom's accurate analysis and per my argument in the previous AFD. No qualifying awards. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 12:38, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a BLP that lacks coverage in reliable secondary sources that discuss the subject directly and in detail. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:05, 11 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - meets of WP:PORNBIO. Subtropical-man (talk / en-2) 18:52, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as thousands of sources online[12] thus the subject meets GNG, ~~It's a hot day here in the UK and I simply cannot be bothered to post all of the sources today however on the first 2 pages there's mentions and by the looks of it indepth coverage here & there,~~ Dunno about PORNBIO however certainly meets GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 18:42, 17 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sources:[13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31][32][33][34][35]

Sources aren't amazing however GNG is most certainly met. –Davey2010^Talk 19:43, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - The subject here "has won a well-known and significant industry award", namely the Fans of Adult Media and Entertainment Award (which is basically comparable to the People's Choice Awards) for "Favorite Female Rookie", which is also similar to other well-known, major adult film award categories like the AVN Award for Best New Starlet & XBIZ Award for Best New Starlet. The fact that the award winners tied that year is pretty much meaningless, and there is no restriction against fan-based awards under our inclusion guidelines. Guy1890 (talk) 05:46, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP In addition to the significant Awards she has won, she is an icon of the industry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toglenn (talk • contribs) 08:30, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete total lack of coverage in reliable secondary sources.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:57, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per those above - meets GNG and PORNBIO. A couple of the external links should probably be converted to references. — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 19:16, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Per WP:N: A topic is presumed to merit an article if it meets either the general notability guideline below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific guideline. WP:PORNBIO superseeds WP:GNG in this case. Regardless of the content of the article (which I have deliberately not looked at), arguments made at User talk:SophisticatedSwampert against their NAC are ridiculous. TheDragonFire (talk) 07:14, 7 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- If you read PORNBIO its pretty clear that its a rough guide and that articles are still required to pass GNG. There is no evidence this does which means the trend at AFD is to give more weight to GNG then PORNBIO in close closes. So not ridiculous but thank you for your input. Spartaz ^Humbug! 09:02, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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So lets recap. There are assertions that this passes GNG but no sources have been adduced that actually pass the GNG. This leaves us an argument about a possible PORNBIO pass that I don't believe for an instant is nailed on and a BLP that clearly does not pass the GNG. The trend is to give GNG more weight than PBIO in close calls and there is a wider project consensus that BLPs require proper sourcing. On that basis my reading is that this is a delete. The closing admin might take a different view but evidence (not assertion) of passing GNG and evidence of the significance of the award will help. Spartaz ^Humbug! 09:02, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete:-Total lack of coverage in reliable secondary sources.Echo Spartaz.Irrespective of WP:PORNBIO, WP:GNG must be met.If sources are provided, I'm willing to change my opinion.And please don't rely on number of GoogleHits.Take time to check the sites too!Winged Blades^Godric 15:08, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -- I question the assertion that "Fans of Adult Media and Entertainment Award (which is basically comparable to the People's Choice Awards) for Favorite Female Rookie" qualifies as significant and well known for the purposes of PORNBIO. Neither do I believe that there's consensus that this award is comparable to People's Choice Award. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:35, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Editor coffman is entirely correct. The source that likened the FAME awards to the People's Choice Awards was the FAME awards' own organizers/promoters. It's a defunct award, one in a series of short-lived awards organized by AVN in hopes of generating another profitable event to supplement its primary ceremony. The FAME Awards failed, one successor, the "Sex Awards", were cancelled when a planned streaming video deal tanked, and the AVN Fan Awards haven't gained any traction and been rebooted at least once. At least two other porn performers who won the same award in the same category have had their articles deleted this year. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 00:07, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There are no sources to support the claims of notability. Particularly intrigued by an entry above claiming "thousands of sources online" and, amusingly, "It's a hot day here in the UK and I simply cannot be bothered to post all of the sources". For the latter, I certainly hope that Mr. Davey2010, was able to find himself a nice iced tea, a cool washcloth on the back of the neck, or at least a shady resting area. For the former, the google hits are to a 1) Daily Dot top 20 Sexy Snapchat list of dubious notability, 2) a seattlepi.com false positive, as the porn actress' name only appears in the image caption of slide 5/27, in a story about another woman entirely, 3) a charming tale from the Daily Fail (largely deemed a non-reliable source by this project) about a senior citizen and his sex doll (that he totally does not have sex with, he says) who is modeled after Alektra Blue. The sourcing is rather downhill from there, regrettably. TheValeyard (talk) 03:20, 10 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I realize it may be bizarre to post the hot day thing however editors are expected to post actual sources which at the time I couldn't be bothered to do, It's better than saying "Oh yeah meets GNG" and not posting anything. –Davey2010^Talk 19:40, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Yee-hah, let's analyze those "sources":

"Snapchat Porn" - includes a picture of the subject's mouth and hand and her supposed snapchat ID. Nothing else. Worthlessd.
"Seattle PI" - An article about a different porn performer does not even mention the subject, although she does appear in a group photo in an accompanying 27-image slideshow. Worthless.
"Daily Mail" Includes a picture of an Alektra Blue sex doll in an article about men who own sex dolls. No info regarding article subject. Worthless.
"lfpress" - An article which does not mention the article subject, illustrated with a group photo of porn performers, including Blue, not mentioned in the article. Worthless.
"TMZ" - posed for a photo at a rapper's party. No other info. TMZ didn't even care enough to identify her in the photo. Worthless.
"The Onion" - The fucking Onion. Namedropped in fake article on a fake/satirical news site. Utterly worthless.

Jo-Jo Eumerus, it's obvious that these sources were posted without making one shred of an effort to assess their value. No editor should have to waste any more time going through the rest of the list demonstrating the obvious. Six straight strikes and you're out! Please delete the article now; the appropriate outcome should be evident. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 15:32, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ofcourse you're going to think they're "worthless" because you're anti-porn and you've demonstrated that with the constant AFD nominations and Delete !votes, The appropriate action would be to close this as No Consensus - Sources were provided and although you disagree with them that doesn't mean this article should be deleted. –Davey2010^Talk 15:48, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you'd condescend to explain to us exactly how the "snapchat porn" piece, which literally includes nothing more than a picture of the supposed subject's mouth and hand, plus her supposed snapchat ID, constitutes evidence of notability. There's more substantive information provided in the average youtube cat video, after all. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (talk) 19:55, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep In my opinion sourcing seems sufficient to satisfy subjects notoriety, believe it meets WP:Pornbio Cllgbksr (talk) 18:03, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Empty vote that does not address the WP:GNG concern. TheValeyard (talk) 20:56, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - FWIW, some of the links (mentioned far above) that are reliable sources have recently been added to this article here. There are also no restrictions against "fan-based awards" in our inclusion guidelines. Guy1890 (talk) 06:24, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Strawman. You can include as many "fan awards" as you like, inclusion isn't the point of contention. The contention is that fan awards do not count towards determining notability. TheValeyard (talk) 20:56, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"The contention is that fan awards do not count towards determining notability"...which is, of course, a false claim as I've already stated. Also, basically saying that something is "unencyclopedic" isn't a valid AfD argument. Guy1890 (talk) 06:10, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete from writing to sources. article has no encyclopedic worth to be here. some of the keep votes are questionable doubles. Light2021 (talk) 21:22, 18 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I've read your !vote 3 times and still cannot understand it could you either amend it so we can all understand it or simply strike it?, I did get the last bit which is actually wrong - There are no double !votes here - Each and every !vote in this AFD is unique and !votes on both sides are going per the relevant policies, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 16:18, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. This isn't the most obvious consensus I've seen but by and large the delete !votes appear to be based on guidelines and policy. That does not appear to be the case for the keep's, of which 2/3 are "it exists" !votes. Only one Keep makes an argument for notability and w/o citing any evidence. Ad Orientem (talk) 17:40, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

DHPOS[edit]

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Promotional tone has not been eliminated. Compared with the previous AfD, the software might still be notable enough for this page but from the looks of it would be very difficult to rewrite it to remove the promotional tone that has permeated this article all around. ««« SOME GADGET GEEK »»» (talk) 01:25, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I checked the previous AfDs and all the keep arguments fail based on today's standards. The subject fails WP:GNG and I can find no RSes to support its notability. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:12, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This spam has stayed here for a decade. Let's not make it a second one. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:59, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep My cursory reading up on this software leads me to think this article is notable. The article itself might be a bit advertising like and lacks sufficient references, but that can be fixed or the appropriate templates added. The software, on the other hand, does appear to be genuine and widely used. It's actually articles like this that make Wikipedia useful in the encyclopedic sense. I've nominated a lot of pages recently for deletion due to lack of notability, but I think this page should stay.13:10, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Keep This is a real software, should be re-written to not be promotional tone, but keep. Earnsthearthrob (talk) 01:35, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Tend to agree that this is real software and therefore this article is notable. - Ret.Prof (talk) 11:35, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: from the nominator: Lots of software is real - even one I just developed myself and posted on the Internet for anybody to download, just like DHPOS. Does that automatically qualify for an article according to WP:NWEB? If so, we could have several million of these pages by now. ««« SOME GADGET GEEK »»» (talk) 22:49, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, it's real software, but that's not the question that is being posed here. The question is, "do reliable and independent secondary sources write about this software, so we can write a comprehensive and neutral article on it?". As far as I can tell, the answer to that question is "no". Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 09:30, 30 June 2017 (UTC).[reply]

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The result was no consensus. A Train^talk 15:37, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Claremont-Mudd-Scripps Stags and Athenas[edit]

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Non-notable sports team, appropriately covered at Claremont McKenna College, Harvey Mudd College, Scripps College, and Claremont Colleges per WP:SUMMARYSTYLE James (^talk/_contribs) 02:16, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete Notable that two colleges combine into one for athletics, but as noted above I think the info can be merged into the respective colleges' pages. Schools in the same division do not have separate pages for their athletic teams and it doesn't seem appropriate to start making them now. Comatmebro User talk:Comatmebro 03:05, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment There is a similar discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pomona-Pitzer Sagehens. James (^talk/_contribs) 16:12, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is a similar discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Claremont-Mudd-Scripps Stags. Spatms (talk) 16:12, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is a similar discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Claremont-Mudd-Scripps Athenas. Spatms (talk) 16:12, 30 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, based on the AFD nomination itself, which points out that four separate college articles will otherwise need to cover the fact that the four colleges share a joint sports program. The article itself is not bloated, it doesn't go into a lot, but it provides a place for coverage of the joint sports teams and avoids need for repetition elsewhere. If the same material is repeated at four separate articles, then it will tend to gain inconsistencies and be hard to maintain. There is no benefit and some definite costs to the change suggested in this AFD. --doncram 04:38, 16 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I am curious if you actually read any of the linked articles. Three colleges share a sports program. The fourth link is to the collegiate consortium, which would naturally contain the majority of the information on the athletic program. The three individual college pages would only need a short summary with a link to the consortium page, which could go into the appropriate detail. Regardless, your comment does not address the notability issue. James (^talk/_contribs) 15:16, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:27, 30 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ukrainians (social network)[edit]

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This social network is a few days old. Seems a little soon for a page Legacypac (talk) 11:07, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - full disclosure, I originally PROD'ed the article, and that was removed by an IP along with a few minor edits. I take this as a classic example of a "next big thing". It's entirely possible that this will become a large and notable social network, but this early in the piece there just isn't the coverage or notability to warrant an article. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 11:15, 7 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Don't delete - Social network is 3 weeks old but I don't think it should warrant a deletion. It received widespread media attention since it launched and a significant portion of the ukrainian population has heard about it or is talking about it, and thus would want to read more about it. --- 5:08, June 8 (EST) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.164.147.18 (talk)

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With all your hands against removal. This is the most anticipated project in Ukraine, dozens of media without a stop write about this social network and 100 thousand registered users in 3 days. Such success was not even in Facebook in the first days of its existence. Of course, such excitement is associated with timeliness, but this does not cancel the dizzying success. ---Great Cockroach 007 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:06, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No significant coverage. The article can be recreated if this social network ends up becoming notable. SL93 (talk) 17:57, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- What? No visibility? All Ukrainian media are very loud about this social network, Russian media are actively discussing this phenomenon. Several media in Canada and the United States have already managed to devote time to the social network. Is it worth talking about 100 thousand subscribers for 3 days? Is this not a flash mob? By the way, 180 000 users have already registered. Therefore, it's silly to talk about removing such a large-scale project, albeit temporary. ---Great Cockroach 007 (talk) 13:24, 15 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete WP:TOOSOON. None of the supporters have added credible references to the article suggesting otherwise, the only coverage is of its launch. Power~enwiki (talk) 01:44, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per User:Power~enwiki. A Google translation of the ruwiki version says that it's clearly in beta mode:

"It is expected that the service will be fully operational within four months. Its functions will be opened gradually, upon reaching a certain number of registered users. At the moment at the opening stage there are functions "News" and "Friends". Upon reaching the threshold of 300,000 registered users, the "Notifications" function will open. Currently, the site functionality does not work in full mode, while only registration and photo change are available on the page"

Too soon. --Hirsutism (talk) 21:58, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 22:33, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sweetwater Zen Center[edit]

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Non notable organisation. Small retreat. Gets passing mentions in Buddhist publications. But nothing that adds up to notability. Another puff piece from another SPA. A look at the bombardment of sources at time of nomination.

1 Directory listing

2 Directory listing, Primary source

3 Primary

4 Passing mention

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8 Dead, text and domain suggests primary

There is still not enough coverage about this organisation in independent reliable sources. A search of mainstream sources found nothing good. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:41, 14 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Non-notable and verging on advertorial. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 23:56, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The article is way too promotional in tone.TH1980 (talk) 02:04, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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