Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2007 December 14
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The result was Delete --JForget 00:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Buffyverse rare promos[edit]
- Buffyverse rare promos (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
A fan piece not suitable for a general purpose encyclopedia. kingboyk (talk) 18:42, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Two things kill this article: 1. Define rare without violating WP:NOR or WP:NPOV. Can't do it, can ya. 2. The fact the article has to include a statement explaining why it exists and who might be interested in it already has several strikes against it from a notability perspective. If any of these promos become widely known or notable, then they can be mentioned in the article for the appropriate series. 23skidoo (talk) 03:27, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment "Rare" doesn't violate NOR or NPOV as long as multiple reliable sources agree that something is rare. Copies of Action Comics #1 are rare, especially in good condition. No point of view or original research there as long as multiple reliable sources agree. Rray (talk) 23:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete This article can be summarized as "Buffy and Angel had commercials that may be interesting for fans". And even that sentence is too trivial to be merged. – sgeureka t•c 00:43, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep - I am inclined to agree with this articles topic being not suitable for an encyclopedia, but I can't see anything in WP:NOT which would kill it? Sting_au Talk 00:57, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete basically just plot sumaries for non-notable tv ads. Ridernyc (talk) 03:55, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Per the most important policy statement, The Five Pillars, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia written for the benefit of its readers. It includes elements of general encyclopedias, specialized encyclopedias, and almanacs. The proposed deletion is therefore based upon a misconception of the fundamental nature of this project, which is to cover both general and specialized material for which there is a readership. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:17, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Per Colonel Warden. Rray (talk) 13:48, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - per WP:NOT#PLOT as plot summaries of ads with no real-world notability. Buffy-cruft. Noting that the Five Pillars are not policy but are instead a summary of policy. Otto4711 (talk) 00:04, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Per WP:NOT, WP:CRUFT --Sharkface217 02:08, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Does not meet WP:N guidelines. Referenced materials are links to the existence of the commercials but not the notability. GtstrickyTalk or C 15:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Singularity 00:29, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Big Bad[edit]
Neologism. Original research. kingboyk (talk) 19:17, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Not even a notable neologism. Cosmo0 (talk) 19:39, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, and hope that the Buffy fan reads up on either notability or one of the wp-projects on TV shows... this has no real notability. Worse yet, it may confuse people who look up "Big Bad" thinking about the big bad wolf, or somesuch. Epthorn (talk) 20:05, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep And add sourcing. I've seen this phrase used in multiple discussions of the show and how the season long plotlines are structure. This is not original research. Rray (talk) 23:10, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and add sources. I've seen quotes from Joss Whedon using the term in desribing the development of the show. But even without that, if the uses in other works were more formally cited (instead of loosely in passing in the text), that sufficiently establishes continued use (i.e., not a neologism) and notability. Tag those statements as citation needed and let the cleanup commence. *debates whether to create a macro for "AfD is not for cleanup."* —Quasirandom (talk) 04:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Weak delete Content sounds sourcible, but unless there is some sort of documentation to say why this is a notable term and not just another neologism, then it should be deleted. --NickPenguin(contribs) 00:31, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and add sources. However, I think it came from Big Bad Wolf. /* abadafa */ +C0 00:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Isn't a notable idea. So redirect it to the Buffy article. I (talk) 01:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and source. It's a fairly common term with enough notable history to warrant an article -- Masterzora (talk) 01:48, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I accept that this phrase is in use, and should be in a dictionary, but Wikipedia isn't a dictionary. It should be moved to Wiktionary if sources can be found. An article in an encyclopedia about a 2-word phrase simply stating where it was first used, and listing TV series in which it has been used just seems wrong to me.--Michig (talk) 10:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. This phrase goes back at least 74 years to the Oscar-winning Walt Disney cartoon. It is now a cliché rather than a neologism. Since usage is so widespread, the article still has much potential. Colonel Warden (talk) 10:40, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- "Big Bad Wolf" goes back to the children's story. The other google news hits are for 'Big Bad something' rather than just 'Big Bad' as a phrase in itself.--Michig (talk) 10:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- ...and since Big Bad Wolf already has an article on WP, the argument to keep this article because of "Big Bad Wolf" seems incredibly weak.--Michig (talk) 10:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The existence of Big Bad Wolf is a good new point. I suggest that we merge/redirect into that article. Colonel Warden (talk) 13:43, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I disagree that this should be merged or redirected. The phrase "big bad" in this context doesn't refer to the "Big Bad Wolf"; it refers to the main villain during a season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It would be similar to merging "lightening bug" with the "lightening" article. Rray (talk) 13:51, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The existence of Big Bad Wolf is a good new point. I suggest that we merge/redirect into that article. Colonel Warden (talk) 13:43, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and source, as per Quasirandom. Can someone source it now, in fact? Tphi (talk) 03:05, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge Merge it with Big Bad Wolf, add it to a trivia section. --Sharkface217 02:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - The article claims it is a term that originated from the show. There is no notability claims. The term meets the definition of a Neologism (as written). GtstrickyTalk or C 16:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Karina Pasian[edit]
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It's true that she has signed with DefJam, but she has yet to release any material, and her DefJam web page is empty - http://www.defjam.com/site/artist_home.php?artist_id=629. I think she fails WP:MUSIC. Corvus cornixtalk 23:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete nn (at this point at least). JJL (talk) 01:06, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The artist is not notable according to WP:MUSIC and the editor keeps removing the tags him/herself.--Manderson198 (talk) 03:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - fails WP:MUSIC for now.Sting_au Talk 03:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per above. If she becomes notable in the future, then the article can be recreated. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 10:30, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom --Sharkface217 02:12, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Per notability criteria (or lack thereof) CitiCat ♫ 04:59, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Andrew Langer[edit]
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Self-promotional article for minor lobbyist. A search of general and political media shows no independent references to Langer. Creation of this article is the only contribution of the article creator. Leeannedy (talk) 23:40, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Does not appear to be notable. --NickPenguin(contribs) 00:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete — Notability not established. Concur with Leeannedy's assessment. — ERcheck (talk) 04:19, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep He did testify before the US House of Representatives. --Sharkface217 02:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Singularity 20:52, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
life is a pumpkin[edit]
Non-notable and original research. A page is created by an IP address who’s only edits were in creating this article. The only source is a single website probably run by the author of this article. Only 317 Google hits mostly Wikipedia mirrors. S.dedalus (talk) 23:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nomination. --S.dedalus (talk) 23:19, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Sounds interesting, but it doesn't look like it is interesting enough for a third party to write about it. A quick search reveals a google bomb. --NickPenguin(contribs) 00:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - couldn't find any published reliable sources. Article is just used as an avenue to host link for his own research. Fails WP:NOR. Sting_au Talk 03:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete no independent sources available, appears to be OR. Maralia (talk) 05:25, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:OR, above. Bearian (talk) 16:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as non notable. Kudos to the article creator though, in using incredibly big words and musical jargon to confuse me into thinking it was, in fact, important. But it's not. Keeper | 76 20:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Since the content presently has no sources, it is inappropriate to merge at this time. I will userfy later to anyone who promises to source the material. Xoloz (talk) 15:05, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Utrom[edit]
This article lacks notability and referencing, and is just an in-universe plot repetition of the various appearances in the various TMNT stories. It is just duplication of the plot section of the various TMNT articles and should be deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and improve This article does duplicate a lot of content from other articles, and some of this content should be trimmed, but it is worth keeping since it documents the development of the species as the brand developed.--NickPenguin(contribs) 00:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]- You haven't shown, because you have failed to cite any sources at all, that that documentation is not original research and that it is even possible to keep and improve such an article whilst sticking to Wikipedia's content policies. Sources! Sources! Sources! Arguments without them don't hold water. Uncle G (talk) 13:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The subject isn't notable. So I'd redirect it to TMNT. I suppose the history could be left in tact to use for merging. I (talk) 01:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep or Merge Appears notable within the TMNT universe, but if sources cannot be found, it should be merged. --Sharkface217 02:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. east.718 at 08:47, December 22, 2007
Locations in The Order of the Stick[edit]
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This is just an in-universe plot repetition of the various places in the Order of the Stick comic, and has no notability and references of its own. As such, its just duplication of material from the plot sections of The Order of the Stick articles and should be deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:00, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and place anything of value at the comic's page (or on a website). We need a generic Fanpedia to distract these things away from WP. JJL (talk) 01:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - I think an article about the world of the Order of the Stick, with emphasis on how it parodies existing fantasy works and campaign settings, would be an entirely valid Wikipedia article. Sadly, this is not that article. I'd prefer not to see the text just dumped into the main OOTS article, though, which is finally getting into decent shape without the previous abundance of plot regurgitations. Better to purge this and (if someone really wants to write it) start anew with a better referenced article, in my opinion. Ig8887 (talk) 07:32, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge Merge with the comic's wikipage. --Sharkface217 02:14, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete As this material is currently without any sources, merging is inappropriate. I will userfy later for anyone promising to source the material. Xoloz (talk) 15:08, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Professor Honeycutt[edit]
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Love TMNT, but this is just an in-universe plot repetition of the various appearances by by this minor character in the TMNT stories, and has no notability and references of its own. As such, its just duplication of material from the plot section of various TMNT articles, and should be deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Does not appear to be a notable character within the universe. --NickPenguin(contribs) 00:45, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I usually prefer merging non-notable characters, but the plot renarration makes it real hard to merge something, and it is probably easier to come up with a completely new paragraph in the List of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles characters. – sgeureka t•c 00:48, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Already took a huge chunk out of the plot details -71.59.237.110 (talk) 22:13, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional characters-related deletions. —Quasirandom (talk) 01:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and Redirect: As stated on the main page of this article this article needs to be merged and trimmed down I cut some of it down but it might need more work to make it suitable for merging —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.237.110 (talk) 23:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge Send to List of TMNT characters --Sharkface217 02:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:08, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ages of Myst[edit]
This is just an in-universe plot repetition of the various locations in the Myst franchise, and has no notability and references of its own. As such, its just duplication of material from the plot section of various Myst articles and should be deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:56, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- judging from the article, this seems to be indeed correct, but wasn't there an ages of Myst game aswell, that might be notable? I'll do more research into this sunday (when I have time). Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 23:00, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You might be thinking of Uru: Ages Beyond Myst. Since the name isn't that similar it would probably be better to redirect Ages of Myst to Myst franchise where the concept of the ages is discussed. GarrettTalk 09:37, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yup, that's the one. Delete it is then. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 16:05, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You might be thinking of Uru: Ages Beyond Myst. Since the name isn't that similar it would probably be better to redirect Ages of Myst to Myst franchise where the concept of the ages is discussed. GarrettTalk 09:37, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Repetition of content that is much better covered in the other Myst related articles, although the pictures could be used in other articles. There does not appear to be a game by this name either, perhaps there is some confusion between the Myst and the Myth (computer game) games, which have similar titles. --NickPenguin(contribs) 00:50, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete excessive content that fails WP:FICT and WP:PLOT. Game guide type content, not encyclopedic. AnmaFinotera (talk) 05:03, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. Someone another (talk) 04:49, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - the small pieces of out-of-universe material that are present don't add up to a seperate article. Given the number of 'making of' magazine articles for this series, such a section might be possible but nothing that can't be merged into the main articles. Marasmusine (talk) 08:55, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. east.718 at 08:48, December 22, 2007
Q Continuum[edit]
Love Star Trek, but this is just an in-universe plot repetition of the various appearances by Q in the Star Trek stories, and has no notability and references of its own. As such, its just duplication of material from the plot section of various Star Trek articles. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. This is a fairly important concept in the Trek universe, and the article can grow. Bacchiad (talk) 23:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That is not the issue, the issue is notability, meaning can we get information like "how was this created", "what issues came up while writing for this aspect of the show?" That kind of stuff. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 23:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. This is a fairly important concept in the Trek universe, and the article can grow. Bacchiad (talk) 23:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Duplicates content that is mostly contained in the Q (Star Trek) article, and other relevant places. --NickPenguin(contribs) 00:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. If there is consensus (which we are not here to discuss) Q (Star Trek) can be merged into this article or the other way around. As for out-of-universe relevance, several theologians have drawn parallels between the Q Continuum and the Gods of various religions. Those can be incorporated into the article (or maybe just a mention of the existence of such works), but we must be careful about WP:POV. --Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 00:59, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep must admit that this has achieved some notability; can also be merged with the character's page and set to redirect. JJL (talk) 01:08, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- As of now, there are no indications that this article can attain sources to prove notability. Until such time, I believe it should be redirected, so that if sources are found, it can be easily recreated. I (talk) 01:23, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - I'm saying that on the grounds of my Google Books search [1] which brings up several likely sources. I don't have any of those books. But if there is a Star Trek Wikiproject? Perhaps one of those editors listed can come and work on the article. Deserving of its own article in my opinion. Sting_au Talk 03:34, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect to Q (Star Trek) - and trim down in-universe info. Ejfetters (talk) 07:56, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect as above, but it should be noted that Q (Star Trek) is also woefully lacking in reliable sources. Q is a notable character, but one properly sourced article for the character(s)/continuum would be enough.--Michig (talk) 10:06, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - I see no reason why reliable sources couldn't be found, as per Sting_au. Cleanup can be done quite easily. mattbuck (talk) 11:43, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Notable enough for inclusion. Plenty of in print sources which cover this aspect of the Star Trek universe. We needn't delete articles just because they need cleanup. Rray (talk) 14:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Notable enough for inclusion. Plenty of online and in print sources which cover this aspect of the Star Trek universe. We needn't delete articles just because they need cleanup, or because they are mentioned in other articles on wikipedia. John1951 (talk) 07:43, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - If someone could post, say three of them, I will withdraw this nomination. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:15, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Meets WP:NOTABILITY, has been cited in several Star Trek franchise series.--Sharkface217 02:17, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Just because it appeared in several episodes of Star Trek doesn't establish notability, stuff like creator commentary, how they came up with this idea and so forth. Assembling keep votes and claiming without proof that its notable is not what this AFD is about, its about seeing if anyone can establish notability, otherwise you should concede it has none. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:54, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep very useful, concept and continuum notable for more than just the John de Lancie Q. Kolindigo (talk) 09:55, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and Merge as above, but in the opposite order. Merge and redirect Q (Star Trek) into this article. If not for the Q Continuum there would not have been Q, and without Q the entire Star Trek Universe post Q on the Enterprise would be drastically different. The Continuum is a vital part of the story as we know it, and quite notable. Lostinlodos (talk) 10:37, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep or Merge with main Q article. Lostinlodos makes a good point that the "continuum"-aspect makes a merge very easy to justify. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:39, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Merged and redirected to J. L. Ilsley High School though not all content taken over as appears to be a copyvio of one of the references. BLACKKITE 11:21, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Precalentines Day[edit]
- Precalentines Day (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Contested PROD. This appears to be a holiday made up in a particular school (see Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day), and even though the school appears to officially publish T-shirts and other materials, there's no assertion that this holiday is notable and no proof that anyone else is celebrating it. Elkman (Elkspeak) 22:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect to a mention in the article about the school. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect per Brad; and the School is notable — for this? (I'm so disillusioned now that I've learned that Fig Newtons aren't actually named after Isaac Newton. --Jack Merridew 16:49, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect sounds good; I'd just like to say that I don't see the problem that this originated from one school or particular location; all holidays must have originated from a common location or event as well - and I could certainly state this wasn't just made up in school one day and only this particular school is celebrating it - it is gaining some credible ground in universities around Canada. Alex-at-canada (talk) 14:07, 15 December 2007 (AST)
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The result was Nomination withdrawn. See below. Non-admin closure. --Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 23:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Escape (Book by Carolyn Jessop)[edit]
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Contested PROD. Book of unasserted notability. Delete. Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 22:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This book is of great importance. It is currently the besting selling religious book for Women on Amazon.com. It is current because of the recent events surrounding the trial of the FLDS leader Warren Jeffs that has made national headlines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyorunner (talk • contribs) 22:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per precedent on books from major publishers (Random House in this case) and fairly hefty mainstream media coverage.--Nydas(Talk) 22:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. This book is currently #31 on the NY Times bestseller list for hardbacks(as of December 9). I've added several external links documenting media coverage. I plan to keep looking, but have no doubt that this book satisfies the notability guidelines at Wikipedia:Notability (book), although notability was not set out in the early version of the article. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Withdraw nomination per added information. --Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 23:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was: Speedy deleted by administrator Jeffrey O. Gustafson. Non-admin closure. I (talk) 01:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Narn Bat Squad[edit]
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A minor, long-forgotten usenet neologism/in-joke coined by Babylon 5 fans, based on a post made by J. Michael Straczynski one day. Impossible to verify except by sifting the posts themselves. Fails almost every guideline you could care to mention. Nydas(Talk) 22:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The subject isn't notable, it's also unverified. So I suggest deletion. I (talk) 01:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete rabidly. Simply unnotable in-jokery. --Dhartung | Talk 03:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The Vorlons have a question. The Shadows have a question. Lorien has several questions. I have a question, too: "Who documented this in depth outside of Wikipedia and where was it documented?". The answer appears to be, from my research: "1 person, ever, by the name of Steven Orso, on a short WWW page.". Reliability of web pages as sources aside, this isn't enough sourcing to support a whole article. (Indeed, the article is longer than that 1 source itself is, with much of the article being original research, that isn't supported at all by any sources anywhere.) There's no evidence that anyone other than that 1 person has ever documented this, thus demonstrating that it is both notable and an idea that has actually escaped its creators and been acknowledged by the rest of the world; and there are no supporting sources for ensuring that an article on this subject is neutral and accurate. 1 short source is not enough. The PNC is not satisfied. Delete. Uncle G (talk) 13:40, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Kurykh 01:14, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Skypanels[edit]
Spam masquerading as an article. The only linked "reference" doesn't use this word. The term is a registered trademark - www.usaskypanels.com (I didn't use a full URL to avoid spammage) Corvus cornixtalk 22:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. No references to prove the product exists so deletable, spam or not. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 19:23, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Very Weak Keep The article appears to have been improved with appropriate sources. --Sharkface217 02:21, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete no assertion of notability. Maybe transwiki as a dict def? Vegaswikian (talk) 01:32, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - the references appear to be studies about light and not about "skypanels". There is no mention of skypanels or diffusers painted with clouds. So really, there are no reliable sources -- Whpq (talk) 19:15, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete and salt. There is no problem with removing protection if future bases of notability are found.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:12, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Michael Bieze[edit]
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Article Dr. Michael Bieze has been speedily deleted four times; Michael Bieze was up for speedy, however since "importance" has possibly been asserted, I'd rather it be discussed here. Beyond asserting importance, Notability seems to be an issue. Marasmusine (talk) 22:03, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete article obviously inserted by admiring student. He is head of the art department at the Marist School in Atlanta [2]. He has certainly published more than most high school teachers, but also its clearly not enough to be notable as a scholar--just one book and some miscellaneous. A university dissertation prize is not usually accepted as general notability outside that institution. Notability for high school teachers is generally shown by awards on a national basis, or major position of leadership, and I dod not see it here. There may well be some in the future, so I wouldn't salt. DGG (talk) 22:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletions. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete not seeing notability here. Maralia (talk) 05:29, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per DGG. --Crusio (talk) 12:25, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete with a mild inclination to salt (deleted 4 times is more than a couple). Pete.Hurd (talk) 21:09, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and Salt I'm not a deletionist, but this is getting ridiculous. --Sharkface217 02:22, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Redirect. I hope folks actually looked at the article here -- it is, in its entirety, the text of the law. That's the definition of WP:NOT. Having said that, there is no iron-clad prohibition on keeping this in the history of a redirect, so I will do that. The redirect should not be undone with a complete rewrite. Xoloz (talk) 15:14, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Transportation Act of 1920[edit]
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Transwiki to Wikisource. Corvus cornixtalk 21:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If I remember correctly, this act reversed an act during World War I that effectively nationalized the operation of United States railways. If so, this topic is notable, but the presentation of this article (including a large swath of the original law) doesn't give any context to the reader. I'd recommend a full rewrite in this case. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 22:49, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, here it is: United States Railroad Administration. Maybe a merge would be more appropriate in this case. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 22:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to United States Railroad Administration for now. I wouldn't transwiki as this is only part of the bill, and in any case it applies to more things such as waterways and labor. A proper article would treat all of that. --Dhartung | Talk 04:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep Isn't this... um, notable? --Sharkface217 02:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep if expanded. It is notable, but it needs at least a minimal discussion, not just the text of the bill, to make it a WP article. DGG (talk) 02:43, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as the basis of at least one US Supreme Court case, United States v. McBoyle. Bearian (talk) 16:20, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - The subject is notable, but the current article is not a basis from which to build an article as it needs to be rewritten completely from scratch. -- Whpq (talk) 19:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
List of Earthworm Jim locations[edit]
- List of Earthworm Jim locations (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Great game, but this article is just an in-universe repetition of the plot section of the various Earthworm Jim game articles, and has no notability or referencing of its own. As such, its just duplication and should be deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Duplicates content in the main Earthworm Jim articles and just watching the show/playing the game; no real added value by repeating it here in this way. --NickPenguin(contribs) 00:59, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been added to the list of video game deletions. Someone another (talk) 04:47, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Maxamegalon2000 07:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - nothing encyclopedic to say, per WP:WAF; try a gaming wiki instead. Marasmusine (talk) 08:58, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom --Sharkface217 02:23, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Kurykh 01:14, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
MAX Awards[edit]
Local awards program sponsored by a college. Many of the winners are notable, but notability is not inherited. Also, strong conflict of interest suspicion - article created by a single purpose account. No assertion of notability beyond simply existing and giving out trophies to big companies. Keeper | 76 21:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- There appear to be a bunch of awards programs going by this name, and the coverage I can find of this particular program doesn't seem to be very useful in establishing notability. Delete unless someone points out strong references soon. Note that this was speedied on Dec. 11 as spam, and the way it's written leans towards the promotional. Tony Fox (arf!) 23:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, no apparent notability. I did learn that Georgia has both Zell Miller and an apparently unrelated store-design consulting firm called Miller Zell, though. What are the odds? --Dhartung | Talk 04:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Found some stuff on it, including this and this. Just might be notable. --Sharkface217 02:28, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Your first link is about the TMA award, not MAX award, and really it's a press release about the company (Alogent) that won it, not the award anyway. The second link is a press release (and only a paragraph long) that says the deadline for entering is Nov. 20 and gives a phone number to call to self-nominate. How do either of these help notability? Keeper | 76 15:05, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Singularity 06:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Jurassic Park Visitors Center[edit]
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This article asserts no notability through referencing, and as such is just plot repetition from various Jurassic Park media. And the only significent real world coverage, the theme park with a real Jurassica park Visitors center, already has a significent section in another article, so this is duplicative. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:34, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, it appears not to have improved since its last nomination at AFD, showing further its lack of notability. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 21:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Fancruft with no notability. Very well done, as such things go, but nevertheless... - Mdsummermsw (talk) 21:39, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I must admit that I was positively surprised to see Jurassic_Park_Visitors_Center#Real-life_Jurassic_Park_Visitors_Center and was ready to recommend a merge, but that section unfortuntely sounds like a travel guide with no independent notability. I suspect there is no Jurassic Park wiki, because this article would be great there. – sgeureka t•c 00:59, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, because even though the real-life place is based on the fictional one, there's no independence and thus no real real-world notability (and I suspect little WP:N notability as well). There is, btw, a Jurassic Park wikia compatible with the GFDL. --Dhartung | Talk 04:28, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep As pointed out by the last RFA, there is a precedent in place for fictional places in fictional works. An example of this would be Sunnydale High School. --Sharkface217 02:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I assume by precedent you mean "consensus", and consensus can change. There are important issues to thrash out in this review before we put this one to rest. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 19:33, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - There is no notability independent of the film for this location. -- Whpq (talk) 19:21, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was No consensus, default to Keep. WaltonOne 17:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The Colt (Supernatural)[edit]
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Procedural relisting. The previous AfD closed by me without consensus, but I think further discussion is needed. Please see previous AfD for arguments before and against deletion. 1 != 2 20:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment what are the guidelines for notability of a particular weapon in fiction? It seems unlikely that any threshold could be passed. I'd say probably trim and merge if not outright delete. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 20:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. The artifact seems to be covered in plenty of detail in the plot section of the Supernatural article (starting with season two). If this article were merged into the main article of the series, it would still face the same problems with sources and lack of out-of-universe information. --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 21:07, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I agree that the information contained needs to be condensed, and perhaps at that point it will be more appropriate to list this in the plot section or (as I suggested in the previous AfD) a page documenting notable artifacts from the series. Although this particular artifact is pivotal and spans multiple episodes, its notability is probably not so high as to warrant a standalone page, and I would vote "merge" if the artifact page existed already. I definitely do not agree that this page should be deleted outright. - Banazir (talk) 22:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete due to WP:NOT#PLOT and sufficient coverage in Supernatural (TV series)#Plot. Miremare 23:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- While I don't think there is nearly enough detail in the plot section as it is now, it would be reasonable IMO to merge it in under "Dean's car" and migrate all of the content from the page. I still think that both the car and the gun belong in an artifact page, though - especially considering that there is an "artifact of the week" cf. the "monster of the week" (or the "alien race of the week" on Star Trek: The Next Generation or Doctor Who). - Banazir (talk) 00:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- But how would such an article not itself fail WP:NOT#PLOT? Miremare 01:25, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- How does the section on Dean's Impala not fail it? Or do you think that section should be excised from the plot page itself? Now, without getting into WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, I would like to point out that the contents of the page at issue are absolutely integral to the plot, spanning many important episodes, and IMO notable as a fictional reference to a highly notable real-world gun maker (Samuel Colt). In fact, the story-external aspect is one reason I voted to keep the article. - Banazir (talk) 05:02, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The section on Dean's Impala is part of a larger article, so is fine. Articles are not allowed to be all plot with no real-world context, which is what the Colt article is. I would also say that if the contents of the article are absolutely integral to the plot of the show, it should, by all common sense and logic, be in the plot section of the show's page, not shoved off into another article. Miremare 18:57, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, I'm fine with integrating it, but I don't follow your reasoning as to how Dean's car is more integral than the Colt (or even equally integral to it) with respect to the plot of Supernatural. Besides being a sort of deus ex machina for eliminating demons (even regulars), it ties Samuel Colt into the story continuity. In any case, my position is that it is notable because of the attribution to a real life weapon-maker, but I personally would be willing to see it absorbed into the plot section. - Banazir (talk) 21:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not saying the car is more important to the plot than the colt, or vice-versa, just that the car doesn't fail WP:NOT#PLOT because it is a small part of a larger article, rather than a stand-alone article. Miremare 21:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In that case, I think merging is a reasonable compromise, though I still think that real-world historical references have notability beyond plot relevance (so that with an accumulation of "artifacts of the week", and artifacts page will be appropriate, independently of WP:NOT#PLOT). IMO a lot of the information contained in the existing article is useful as a reference about the artifact (the aforementioned real-world ties, its iconic appearance, the legend imputed to its maker, etc.). That is, it's not just about what story-internal impact it has had (e.g., what demons it's been used to kill). - Banazir (talk) 16:29, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Notability, or what Wikipedia defines as notability, can only be established by coverage in reliable independent sources as per WP:N; historical references, or whatever else the show contains, can have no bearing on that. Miremare 18:21, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Of course they can. "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Meaning, are there reliable secondary sources that write about the Colt and are not just giving plot synopses, but critical analyses of its role in popular mythology, fictional history or alternate history, etc.? Examples:
- Seattle Post-Intelligencer article on mythological references in current television series - Independent? Yes. Salient to the topic? Yes. Not merely a plot reference? Yes. Reliable? Yes, though YMMV. (This being a fictional artifact that was first mentioned on a current television show last season, we're not going to find any secondary source that is itself encyclopedic, so if you are of the persuasion that TV Guide and popular media are inherently unreliable, I can't help you there.) Significant? This particular reference is quite minor, although there are many like it. (All I can do personally is to look them up and cite them one by one, in what I consider to be descending order of significance, reliability, and salience.)
- TV Guide interview of Supernatural creator Eric Kripke - Independent? Yes. Salient? Yes; one of the questions is specifically about the role of the Colt. Not merely a plot reference? Yes, but primarily about plot-related questions. Significant? Again, if you're looking for permanence as a criterion, almost any interview of a author, screenwriter, director, or producer is going to fail a notability test, but that's not so. i.e., some fictional elements of a TV series are notable just for their (documented) impact on the viewership or fandom of the show, or for the directions in which they take the show. I would furthermore maintain that notability not only does not expire; it is timeless. Once something reaches popular awareness to the level of being independently documented, it has met the notability criterion for inclusion in a truly general-purpose encyclopedic reference. Finally, popularity alone does not equal notability does not equal notability, but it can contribute to it. IMO, a topic that makes it into multiple television reviews and interviews that are syndicated in dozens or hundreds of secondary media outlets has received significant coverage.
- BuddyTV.com interview notes - In a similar vein, this correspondent reports on questions asked of Kripke at a convention. I'm not saying this is a comparably important source to the professional reviewers' articles (or even a reliable source), but the union of Kripke interviews provides some independent verification. Take this article as one more example (though Kripke only alludes to the reason why the Winchesters' weapons rather than religious relics or divine intervention will be viable solutions). The predictions made have already come to pass, so there is no WP:NOT#CRYSTALBALL issue here.
- - Banazir (talk) 09:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Significant coverage in reliable secondary sources establish notability, and you have just demonstrated that there isn't such coverage - the Colt is mentioned once in each of the three sources you mention above, which justifies coverage in the main article, not in a separate one. Miremare 18:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- We must be operating under different definitions of "significance", because the first article makes very clear, direct reference to the Colt as a prima facie example of the "intricate mythology" of the series. Per the WP:Notability, "Significant coverage is more than trivial but may be less than exclusive." A few sentences or a paragraph in a review of several television shows (as opposed to a single episode of one) can be more than trivial if it the topic in question is presented as a primary, or sole, example, as it is in the Seattle P-I article. Could you please specify what you consider sufficient evidence of significance? More to the point, I just came up with several examples of reliable secondary sources that you implied did not exist, significant or not, so I would suggest we hold off on blanket declarations of existence or nonexistence until we are both clear on how you are using or interpreting the terms "trivial", "significant", and perhaps "reliable". (And yes, I have read WP:Reliable sources, WP:Fiction, WP:CYF, etc. Wikipedia guidelines are clear about the definitions of reliability and independence of sources, but they rightly leave open the definition of significance, which indeed has subjective and context-specific aspects.) To this I would just add that what I've dug up are just two examples among several I have found, without a whole lot of looking, so many additional similar references exist, which just need to be cited. - Banazir (talk) 20:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Significant coverage in reliable secondary sources establish notability, and you have just demonstrated that there isn't such coverage - the Colt is mentioned once in each of the three sources you mention above, which justifies coverage in the main article, not in a separate one. Miremare 18:17, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Of course they can. "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Meaning, are there reliable secondary sources that write about the Colt and are not just giving plot synopses, but critical analyses of its role in popular mythology, fictional history or alternate history, etc.? Examples:
- Notability, or what Wikipedia defines as notability, can only be established by coverage in reliable independent sources as per WP:N; historical references, or whatever else the show contains, can have no bearing on that. Miremare 18:21, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In that case, I think merging is a reasonable compromise, though I still think that real-world historical references have notability beyond plot relevance (so that with an accumulation of "artifacts of the week", and artifacts page will be appropriate, independently of WP:NOT#PLOT). IMO a lot of the information contained in the existing article is useful as a reference about the artifact (the aforementioned real-world ties, its iconic appearance, the legend imputed to its maker, etc.). That is, it's not just about what story-internal impact it has had (e.g., what demons it's been used to kill). - Banazir (talk) 16:29, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not saying the car is more important to the plot than the colt, or vice-versa, just that the car doesn't fail WP:NOT#PLOT because it is a small part of a larger article, rather than a stand-alone article. Miremare 21:36, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, I'm fine with integrating it, but I don't follow your reasoning as to how Dean's car is more integral than the Colt (or even equally integral to it) with respect to the plot of Supernatural. Besides being a sort of deus ex machina for eliminating demons (even regulars), it ties Samuel Colt into the story continuity. In any case, my position is that it is notable because of the attribution to a real life weapon-maker, but I personally would be willing to see it absorbed into the plot section. - Banazir (talk) 21:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The section on Dean's Impala is part of a larger article, so is fine. Articles are not allowed to be all plot with no real-world context, which is what the Colt article is. I would also say that if the contents of the article are absolutely integral to the plot of the show, it should, by all common sense and logic, be in the plot section of the show's page, not shoved off into another article. Miremare 18:57, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- How does the section on Dean's Impala not fail it? Or do you think that section should be excised from the plot page itself? Now, without getting into WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, I would like to point out that the contents of the page at issue are absolutely integral to the plot, spanning many important episodes, and IMO notable as a fictional reference to a highly notable real-world gun maker (Samuel Colt). In fact, the story-external aspect is one reason I voted to keep the article. - Banazir (talk) 05:02, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- But how would such an article not itself fail WP:NOT#PLOT? Miremare 01:25, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The way the article is titled will not be searched for. As such, there is no need to redirect. We could add it to uthe Colt disambig page with a link to Supernatural, though, after it is deleted as non-notable. I (talk) 01:29, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If it is deleted, I propose to subsume its contents into a subsection at the same level as "Dean's car". (Note: for the record, I did not make the page nor even contribute to it before now.) - Banazir (talk) 05:02, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete non-notable fictional plot element. Ridernyc (talk) 04:01, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep on the simple fact that when I want info on something, someone, somewhere, somewhen, somehow... I come here because I know it to be the best place to find what I'm looking for. I personnaly don't care about the Colt, but that doesn't mean there isn't anyone else interested in finding info about it. Wheter it is merged or on it's own page, as long as it can be found so that WP keeps satisfying those who seek knowledge. I would also like to add that non-notable for someone could be notable for someone else. Notability, IMO, is territorial-dependant, interest-dependent and plain all subjective. I also believe it is a problem around here.Smumdax (talk) 06:34, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- "Notability" in the case of Wikipedia articles refers to whether there are reliable secondary sources that have covered the subject in question, rather than whether people find the article useful or interesting. It is also absolutely against Wikipedia policy for an article to contain nothing other than a description of the subject's role in fiction. There has to be real-world context for an encyclopedia article, otherwise the subject should be covered in a parent article, in this case Supernatural (TV series). Miremare 18:57, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep - There is no legitimate reason to delete the article. There is precedent for articles on fictional objects within the well-known television series. Especially an object that has a detailed history such as "The Colt." -- Voldemore (talk) 00:21, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The reasons are explained at WP:NOT#PLOT, and the exchange above. Miremare 18:19, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Kurykh 04:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Aye-Aye (Simptimes)[edit]
- Aye-Aye (Simptimes) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
non-notable cartoon character from a fan site will381796 (talk) 15:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete per WP:MADEUP also see previous related AfD for more context - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simptimes nancy (talk) 19:28, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete not notable, wikipedia is not a repository for things that people have just made up - Dumelow (talk) 17:37, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. The author did not bother to create an article on Simptimes, and one cannot verify how notable Aye-Aye is even within the Simptimes universe. --Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 23:02, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, yeah... Multiple speedy deletion that led to salting. WP:COATRACK (uh, not quite). --Blanchardb-MeMyEarsMyMouth-timed 23:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletions. -- Hiding T 10:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per the above arguments and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simptimes. Hiding T 10:42, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above and per "Would you please not put things you've made up yourself on Wiki?" AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 20:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per reasoning above, and now per its chances. Keeper | 76 22:49, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete, I agree, this one looks like a made-up article, and I find that kinda...childish. 1ForTheMoney (talk) 00:02, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as non-notable; the first 100 results of a Google search show no mention of this cartoon character. — Wenli (reply here) 00:18, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete complete and total trash. JuJube (talk) 02:58, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete This article has no sources, and is barely decipherable. Redirect left to editorial discretion. Xoloz (talk) 15:19, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Scott Ambush[edit]
Seems NN. Only references are social networking sites. I speedied it but the author removed the tab. meshach (talk) 19:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- He's in Spyro Gyra. Check this [3]. Suggest possible merge of Scott Ambush and Jay Beckenstein into Spyro Gyra article. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 20:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- keep - no merges as notability is satisfied (IMHO), but cleanups are badly required on all related articles. Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 07:17, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and redirect to Spyro Gyra - cleaning up this article would delete most of the content, and what would be left could be merged into Spyro Gyra. I tried to find independent coverage of Ambush, but what I found suggests he is only notable as a member of Spyro Gyra, so doesn't merit a separate article to himself.--Michig (talk) 10:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into Spyro Gyra or delete unless supporting reliable sources can be found. Curious Blue (talk) 17:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Singularity 05:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Gavin Urquhart[edit]
- Gavin Urquhart (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
No indication of importance/significance. Delete --Fromgermany (talk) 20:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. There are plenty of Google hits about him, including this [4]. He seems to be a promising player who has yet to make his debut. I really don't know if he's sufficiently notable for a Wiki bio yet though. But then I'm not an Australian. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 20:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Second pick in the AFL for the Kangaroos but didn't play a game due to injury. Would welcome input from AFL Wikiproject. Capitalistroadster (talk) 00:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions. —Capitalistroadster (talk) 00:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - I say that because he fails WP:BIO as far as additional criteria for athletes goes. He hasn't as yet competed in a fully professional league. Having not played a single game with the Roos he doesn't qualify yet. In commenting on that criteria for athletes however it seems to me that a lot of athletes are deemed to be notable by just having competed at first grade level! I personally feel that many athletes are going to wind up with a Wikipedia page after playing just a few first grade games then retiring with a busted knee! The notability criteria for athletes needs work. Sting_au Talk 02:44, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as Sting_au says, he doesn't meet WP:BIO for professional athletes. The article does seem to meet the primary notability criterion either insofar as the subject does not seem to have received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. That said, previous consensus on drafted AFL players seems to run counter to WP:BIO see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jaxson Barham for an earlier discussion. -- Mattinbgn\talk 11:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Interesting earlier discussion. Thanks for the link. Shows that even the anticipation of an athlete playing in first grade was deemed to be sufficient criteria! I still think there are a lot of articles on first grade players that are really unworthy of inclusion in this encyclopedia. First grade appearance should not be regarded as a right of inclusion here. Editors should actually take notice of what it states at top of WP:BIO page and I quote "This page is considered a notability guideline on Wikipedia. It is a generally accepted standard that all editors should follow. However, it is not set in stone and should be treated with common sense and the occasional exception.". See that, occasional exceptions! To my mind a first grade player who only plays a handful of first grade games spending a lot of time in most of them on the bench does not deserve inclusion here. Nor does this guy who is yet to play a first grade game. Sting_au Talk 14:26, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Has not played in a fully-professional league and thus fails WP:BIO. пﮟოьεԻ 57 22:24, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete As it stands this fails WP:BIO per WP:CRYSTAL in that he has not yet played professionally. Per my comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jaxson Barham, there are only two options: delete this article, or modify WP:BIO to allow athletes selected in the draft of major professional sporting competitions.Garrie 01:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, based on this kid's injury, it's not a given that he'll play. Can easily be recreated if he does manage to get into a top-grade game. Lankiveil (talk) 12:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC).[reply]
- Comment: I think that WP:BIO at one time included sportspeople who were in the squad for a fully professional top level team. (It was definitely argued at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matthew Davis (footballer). It definitely does not say that now, and I don't see the need for these articles, but it would seem strange to treat this case differently to similar examples. JPD (talk) 13:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. DS (talk) 18:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Mr. Funercise[edit]
NN public service ad, zero ghits and no reliable sources. Fails WP:V because there's virtually nothing on this, except for the retrostatic video and the comments on the talk page. Mr Senseless (talk) 19:55, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Mr. Deletercise per total failure of WP:RS, only "source" is a video which doesn't meet criteria. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 20:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Ha, ha, thats funny-ercise Mr Senseless (talk) 01:42, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - this article seems to be unverifiable and non-notable--Cailil talk 23:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy redirected by nom. Non-admin closure. --Dhartung | Talk 21:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Hipurnias[edit]Basically as far as I can tell there have been no references anywhere to this supposed people since the 1911 Britannica. I tried to search under similar spellings in google and came up empty-handed. I have recently been improving a lot of the articles related to indigenous people in Brazil, and this is unusual, since normally even a 100-person group will turn up some anthropological materials. I did turn up one reference in jstor to an 1895 article listing groups that said something about a "warlike and formidable" cannibal tribe called the Hipurinas (notice- not quite the same spelling). Googling hipurina reveals (thanks to Babelfish) that "hipurina" is a Tupi word for maiden, flower, or fruit. So basically I think that this was either a wrong name in 1911 (my money is here) or has since become obsolete. Mangostar (talk) 19:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Singularity 04:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Quantum Improvement Method[edit]
Article was created by the main proponent of the method, with few subsequent edits. Non-notable (133 Google results for "Quantum Improvement Method"). Unverifiable, as Mark Profitt's blog (only given reference) does not seem to mention the method by name. Sho Uemura (talk) 19:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was speedy delete. Kafziel Talk 19:51, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Engin Varol[edit]This article was created by the subject's son with no understanding of Wikipedia's notability guidelines or original research policy. I can't find any indication of notability from any English sources, but the article does seem to assert notability in a reasonable way which is why I didn't speedy delete it myself. The article on the Turkish Wikipedia (also written by his son) is brand-new as well and lists no sources. Kafziel Talk 19:28, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep. — Scientizzle 21:28, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Jean Belmain[edit]A biography of an non-notable person. Marlith T/C 03:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Speedy delete g11, advertising. NawlinWiki (talk) 19:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Vallarta Adventures[edit]
Appears to be in violation of WP:SPAM SimpleParadox 19:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Singularity 05:47, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Dragon Wing (ship)[edit]AfDs for this article:
The article was merged following a first AfD, but later turned into a kind of disambiguation page about fictional ships, none of which seems notable. Per MOS:DAB, disambiguation pages serve to disambiguate articles. No article about a ship named "Dragon Wing" exists however, and that's for a reason. -- Sent here as part of the Notability wikiproject. --B. Wolterding (talk) 19:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep. CitiCat ♫ 05:03, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Dingle CBS[edit]Unreferenced stub article on a school which closed this summer, now a regular vandalism target. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Singularity 20:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] John Baumgardner[edit]
This is an obscure scientist who is not notable. He, however, happens to be a creationist and that's probably why someone thought to write an article on him. WP:BIO and WP:PROF need to be looked at in reference to this person. I note that there has been one mainstream publication on him in US News and World Report. Does that satisfy notability? I'm pretty sure it doesn't as US News and World Reports has also done an article on one of my academic advisors and they would never pass the notability gambit at Wikipedia for inclusion. If Baumgardner was not a creationist he would not be considered notable enough for a Wikipedia article, therefore to judge Baumgarder to be notable simply because he is a creationist seems to me to be pandering toward biasing Wikipedia in favor of coverage of creationists. See also WP:FRINGE and WP:WEIGHT which may be violated since giving this guy his own article lends him more weight and notoriety to his ideas (which are obviously outside the mainstream) than those of other run-of-the-mill geophysicists. ScienceApologist (talk) 18:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Kurykh 01:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] John Labus[edit]
The result was Keep, nominator has stated withdrawal per this diff on my talk page, and has asked me to close the nomination. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 05:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Cinema of Pakistan[edit]
There are so many things wrong with this article that I scarcely know where to begin.
Tovojolo (talk) 18:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. Xoloz (talk) 15:22, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Shoppes at Blackstone Valley[edit]
Sub-stub-class article on a mall in Massachusetts, does not establish notability. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 18:19, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. east.718 at 06:42, December 20, 2007 Crossroads Center (Bellingham)[edit]
Non-notable malls in Massachusetts, no notability asserted, no sources to be seen. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 18:17, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Kurykh 01:11, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Roberto Faustinelli[edit]
No evidence of notability. Mayor of a town with a population of 11k. Fails WP:BIO Rtphokie (talk) 18:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Kurykh 01:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] BioSyn[edit]The article appears to have no notability, and is just plot repetition from the various stories in the Jurassic Park series, bereft of notability or referencing Judgesurreal777 (talk) 17:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was The result was speedy delete per the author's request hbdragon88 (talk) 06:38, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Grandview Commons[edit]
Three non-notable shopping centers in Algonquin, Illinois, none of which meet notability standards. The pages are mostly just listings of the stores in each mall, thus violating WP:NOT#DIR. A search for sources online turned up nothing of value. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 17:40, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was No consensus, default to Keep. Brief explanation of closure: While the title seems to suggest original research by synthesis, as was pointed out by many participants in the discussion below, the actual article ascribes each of the major interpretations to published secondary sources, and does not attempt to synthesise them into an original view on the part of the article's author; accordingly I did not discount the numerous Keep !votes in this discussion. WaltonOne 17:38, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Interpretations of 2001: A Space Odyssey[edit]
Unencyclopedic original synthesis that might belong on a fansite but does not belong in Wikipedia. Groupthink (talk) 17:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Kurykh 01:09, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Martin Middle School[edit]
Previously prodded and deleted twice over. No assertion of notability. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 17:09, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. Xoloz (talk) 15:25, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Fairfield Mall[edit]
Unsourced stub article on a dead mall in Massachusetts. Only sources found were DeadMalls.com and the Labelscar blog, neither of which can really be considered reliable. The "Chicopee Marketplace" that replaced it doesn't seem to meet notability either. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 16:57, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Merge. Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 16:25, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Medieval Albanian pedigree of Leka Zogu[edit]AfDs for this article:
Consensus seems to be that these articles essentially consist of genealogical trivia, which is not notable. (See precedent at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bulgarian ancestry of royals of Bulgaria.) It is notable that Leka Zogu is the heir to the Albanian throne, but that only needs a statement in his article saying so; we don't need to provide his entire family history to prove it. Terraxos (talk) 07:19, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was speedy close. Given that this is the nominator's first edit, and the phraseology of the nomination parrots several recent nominations of articles about fictional subjects, this is clearly a bad faith nomination. I remind editors not to disrupt Wikipedia to make a point. Uncle G (talk) 17:09, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Real life[edit]AfDs for this article:
In-universe notability is not established well enough to merit an article on the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geese (talk • contribs) 16:32, 12 December 2007
The result was Speedy delete G7 (author requeests deletion), non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 19:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] U.S. News Ventures[edit]
U.S. News Ventures does not want an article about them at this time — Preceding unsigned comment added by PanamaZac (talk • contribs) 2007/12/12 16:28:26
The result was Keep per WP:SNOW. Article has seen a massive improvement, nominator has !voted keep. Woody (talk) 19:30, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Reality Check NY[edit]AfDs for this article:
NOTABILITY "The common theme in the notability guidelines is the requirement for verifiable objective evidence to support a claim of notability. Substantial coverage in reliable sources constitutes such objective evidence, as do published peer recognition and the other factors listed in the subject specific guidelines" News search shows two relevant hits, both of which were not available (along with some false positives). Ra2007 (talk) 16:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Pigman☿ 23:43, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Great White Brotherhood[edit]
This got speedy deleted, but that was objected to - who knows, perhaps rightly, and so I've restored the page and brought it here. Here are the main problems:
In short, notability issues, mixed with redundancy. Adam Cuerden talk 16:51, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I favor keeping those articles in Wikipedia since they are references with reliable sources. Is there suddenly a problem with space on Wikipedia? There sure seems to be room for hundreds of articles on characters from mythology, Catholic saints, and gods of Hinduism. Yet, there's no room for a mere handful of articles on Theosophical and Ascended Master teachings? Sage 1225Sage1225 (talk) 16:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. No WP:V sources despite 3-4 months being tagged for them. Only sources are apparently not independent of the mall ownership. Pigman☿ 19:47, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Towne Mall[edit]Non-notable mall in Kentucky, doesn't meet precedent for super-regional classification. Tagged for sources and notability since August with nothing added. Also written in a somewhat promotional tone. (P.S.: It's hard to find any sources for this mall since there are about eight million other malls that are either "Towne Mall" or "_____ Towne Mall".) Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 00:28, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep all. Pigman☿ 23:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Master Hilarion, et al[edit]
Article about a... thing... that has no notability outside of an obscure Victorian spiritualist movenment. Some material might be merged into Seven Rays, H. P. Blavatsky, etc. Adam Cuerden talk 16:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Also nominating for delete/merge: and the Theosophy sectoon of Count of St. Germain, at least, if the huge section discussing a dozen or so different Theosophanist's views on him in great detail is again restored. All form part of a huge walled garden. Adam Cuerden talk 16:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am against deletion or merging of the articles on Dwal Khul, Hilarion, Sanat Kumara, Morya, Kuthumi, Paul the Venetian, Serapis Bey, and Master Jesus. They are spiritually, historically, and socio-culturally significant to stand as separate articles Sage 122568.231.166.180 (talk) 17:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)— 68.231.166.180 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
No to any merging or redirecting As for reliable sources and verifiability: An excellent point was raised by DGG who pointed out that its "just as appropriate to use Theosophical sources as a description as to describe those of any other religion from its works." I agree that is how you get an accurate description of the beliefs of a religion or a philosophical concept. The article on Jehovah's Witnesses is an example how discussions of a religious belief have references to books written by the adherents of that belief. The same is true of the Roman Catholic Church and references to the "self-published" Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church when discussing what Catholic beliefs are. Arguments that we can apply different standards to a religion that has a smaller number of members are unconvincing. An example of the problem with using an article that someone may erroneously consider a "reliable source" is that the author of that article may know practically nothing about the actual beliefs, and may only be interested in expressing contempt and ridicule of the subject. Fireplace used such an article (which used mocking terms like "two-bit alias" and "one of the kookiest cults") from the Los Angeles Magazine (See WP:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Walled_gardens_of_woo) to completely rewrite the I AM Activity article into an article written from a POV that this religious belief is a fraudulent con game, with inaccuracies such as the erroneous statement (from that Los Angeles Magazine hatchet job) that Guy Ballard claimed to be the reincarnation of Saint Germain or Jesus! Any review of the original sources would quickly reveal how contrary to their beliefs such a statement was. This emphasizes the problem with using outside sources to describe the religious beliefs of a church or religion. Arion (talk) 17:26, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep: This entry has 9 sources all tackling the subject in a an appropriate manner for their use the breadth and depth of these sources confirms both notability and verifiability. I would suggest that the user who started the afd is simply "unaware" of the subject because they are not interested in/an expert in the field.
Keep, and as for merging, not only do I not see the point but the seven rays and ascended master teachings articles would be far too long with all the info on the ascended masters in them as well. This is what we do when articles are too long - split them. Just a long standing opinion of mine that it just looks tidier having separate articles on subjects where possible rather than having one huge article with an awkward title, which in this case would be on far too broad a topic, that people get redirected to. Saying the ascended masters have no notability outside of theosophy is a silly rationale, just like saying the 1976 Wimbledon Championships have no notability outside of tennis and therefore all those articles should be deleted. There are published sources on this subject, therefore there is enough verifiable information. I can't see what makes the articles on the ascended masters unmaintainable. I can, however, share User:Jack-A-Roe's concerns above of an obvious personal POV influence in the nominator's rationale for this whole thing... - Zeibura (Talk) 19:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Providing balance for the articles by adding a third party skeptical viewpoint: I added to the articles about the “Masters” that Madame Blavatsky spoke of in her lifetime the skeptical view of scholar K. Paul Johnson, who maintains that the “Masters” were actually idealizations of people who were her mentors. According to Johnson:
These are all referenced to the appropriate page in Johnson’s book Initiates of Theosophical Masters Albany, New York:1995 State University of New York Press. The other "Masters" were apparently added by C.W. Leadbeater in his book The Masters and the Path. In Hindu mythology, Sanat Kumara is a minor deity. Sanat Kumara is mentioned in Madame Blavatsky's most important work The Secret Doctrine. Keraunos (talk) 12:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I favor keeping those articles in Wikipedia since they are references with reliable sources. Is there suddenly a problem with space on Wikipedia? There sure seems to be room for hundreds of articles on characters from mythology, Catholic saints, and gods of Hinduism. Yet, there is no room for a mere handful of articles on Theosophical and Ascended Master teachings? Sage 1225Sage1225 (talk) 16:06, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Key figures in religious movemrnts are automatically significant. Dimadick (talk) 15:51, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was speedy delete as copyright violation. It's a straight copy and paste of at least two papers on this subject, concatenated together. See here, here, and here. Given that Mplampla (talk · contribs) passed off other people's work as xyr own when writing the article text, I don't believe xyr assertions that the images were xyr own work. So I've deleted those, too. Uncle G (talk) 17:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] End-To-End Reconfigurability[edit]
Unencyclopedic, and advertisement-like. No independent reliable sources. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 16:35, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. John254 00:30, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Mark Cousins (writer)[edit]
Notability of this article has been questioned in February 2007; no secondary sources are listed. A PROD was contested with comment: "seems to have major US and UK positions". This does not directly imply notability howver. A search for sources has failed. Cf. the article's edit history and talk page. -- Sent here as part of the Notability wikiproject. --B. Wolterding (talk) 16:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Real Custom Games[edit]
Halo clan that does not appear to meet WP:ORG. Discussion on notability has been ongoing on Talk:Real Custom Games, but article author has failed to produce any reliable and genuinely independent sources for notability. No Google News Archive hits, no Alexa ranking for the clan Web site. —Caesura(t) 16:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
GaTech92 (talk) 02:09, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Kurykh 02:54, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Warlord (manhua)[edit]
This is the summary of a fictional topic per WP:NOT#PLOT. Further, it cites no sources and provides no context for understanding the work. Mbisanz (talk) 16:12, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete as a copyvio of the band's website with no non-infringing version to revert to (could have been speedied under CSD G12 but five days have passed).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Baltimore's Marching Ravens[edit]AfDs for this article:
Plagiarism of the Marching Raven's website. Dalekusa (talk) 15:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Speedy delete as nn-corp/vandalism. Stifle (talk) 17:09, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] XNW[edit]Delete. NN wrestling promotion. Fails Google test. Not sourced. Creator of article had previously vandalized another notable wrestling promotion's page by inserting the same info found in this new article. EndlessDan 15:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. DS (talk) 19:40, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] The blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit[edit]Companion to An Ordained Human Living Sacrifice To Satan. Listed here to consolidate discussion and pre-empt further philosophical postings and revelations. Similar OR and soapboxing issues to AOHStS. Acroterion (talk) 14:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Kurykh 02:52, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Indira Moala[edit]Non notable. "The runner up on Season 3 of NZ Idol. The 21-year-old is a native of Tonga and a student at the University of Auckland.(...) Last but not least, her father is famous for his very long and distinctive side burns. He is also very supportive towards Indira. On Monday 25th June she became a wife to a lovely man". Indeed. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 14:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was no consensus. First, let me say firmly that this AfD was not untimely -- several months is a generous allowance to give after a first "no consensus" AfD before relisting. "Speedy" keep comments were thus ignored. Having said that, there is no agreement on whether the theme unifying this list is notable. The list is sourced, and has improved since the first AfD, so no reason of policy compels deletion. If the article's present form seems unwieldy, editing is always an option. For now, this list is kept by default. Xoloz (talk) 15:45, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] List of government agencies in comics[edit]AfDs for this article:
Renominating due to several unfixed (and in my opinion unfixable) issues which remain after original AfD several months ago (result of which was "no consensus". Groupthink (talk) 14:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Kurykh 01:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Taarma[edit]Non notable. It sounds like this band was created by some fan. Nothing links to them, and they have no notable attributes. Metal Head (talk) 14:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Singularity 06:22, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] CitizenM[edit]Janitorial nomination after I declined speedy deletion. On the one hand, it's an article about a hotel company which hasn't built any hotels! On the other, it's founder is (presumably) notable (blue linked), the company has won an award, and is apparently the subject of multiple non-trivial news reports. Crystal ball or notable? You decide. kingboyk (talk) 14:08, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep - obviously transformed since nom, slam-dunk keeper.--Docg 16:25, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Latin mnemonics[edit]
A list of mnemonics for remembering Latin is not encyclopedic. Prod declined. Mangostar (talk) 13:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was retro me, article. DS (talk) 19:37, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] An Ordained Human Living Sacrifice To Satan[edit]Contested prod. A fascinating essay on human sacrifice and demonic possession, refreshingly free of sources. Patent OR and a personal manifesto. Acroterion (talk) 13:26, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Singularity 19:54, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Tea-upon-ice[edit]Delete as WP:MADEUP - previously PROD - initial contrib removed PROD Mayalld (talk) 12:05, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Singularity 06:27, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Coach ronald graham[edit]
Delete as non-notable. Local elected officials are not automatically notable per WP:BIO, and neither are coaches for non-notable sports teams. Wikipedia is not a memorial site Mayalld (talk) 10:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Singularity 06:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Lt.quade and the hit squad[edit]
Declined prod for a seemingly non-notable rock group. Article has been pruned substantially by others since but still doesn't seem notable for my money. tomasz. 09:43, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was No consensus — Caknuck (talk) 18:48, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Victor, Victrola[edit]
My reasons for proposing deletion:
The result was keep. I'll also add apparent alternative spelling of his name to the article. Pigman☿ 22:57, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Sanjay Ghose[edit]I investigated this article. Both Google and Yahoo come up with many different articles under this name... all different people. It appears that this is a bit of a common name. The "Background" links lays no mention of the name Sanjay Ghose. There is not one citations and the one reference has nothing to do with Sanjay Ghose. Not only lack of notability, but may even be a hoax.--Pmedema (talk) 19:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. east.718 at 06:45, December 20, 2007 Funsho Ogundipe[edit]
Fails WP:MUSIC. TheRingess (talk) 21:54, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Singularity 19:49, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Rhys Is The Word[edit]
A user questioned what this page was about at the Help Desk, and it doesn't seem to give any context. Another user tagged it as a speedy G1 (patent nonsense) but it has too much coherent content for that. However it's clearly going to need some explanation of what it is about before it is keepable. I've saved it from speedy deletion by bringing it here. No vote from me, yet. AndyJones (talk) 08:55, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Singularity 06:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Jabez Peters[edit]A seaman who died following a shipwreck and was mentioned in a book. Sad, but not particularly notable. Many thousands of seamen have died in a similar manner. Prod notice deleted without explanation except the misleading edit summary "tidy". -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep for now, merging is an editorial decision. Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 16:35, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Iomanip[edit]Stagnant technical documentation of no relevance to the non-specialist community. It's difficult to see how anything could be added to the article to make it less like a piece of technical documentation. Prod template previously removed by article author. Chris Cunningham (talk) 08:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Speedy deleted. kingboyk (talk) 14:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] John Sun[edit]This person fails WP:BIO. He is only known for having given a gift to the Falun Gong founder -i.e. he would fall under WP:BLP1E. He has apparently written to the Wall Street Journal, but it does not appear that the letter was ever published. Even if it was, the letter would not confer notability, otherwise anyone who write a letter to the newspaper would have a wikipedia article! Ohconfucius (talk) 06:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was speedy deletion under CSD A7 (originally by Eliz81). Non-admin closure. --Goobergunch|? 07:06, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Julia lindsey chot[edit]
Non-notable artist. Brianga (talk) 06:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Kurykh 01:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Spice Smoking Blend[edit]
This product is non-notable, and the only information out there seems to come from either purveyors or web forums. It's dangerous to provide unauthenticated lists of ingredients like this for products that are already dubious. I'm reminded of all the "herbal ecstasy" a while back that touted itself as such, but turned out to derive its effect from TFMPP. I've nominated this before at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spice (drug). I'm also nominating the following article linked to this one, which shares obvious similarities.
The result was delete both. Singularity 19:41, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Inept[edit]
At first glance, this Chicago band would appear to be notable from the claims of touring; however, a deeper look indicates that it doesn't quite make WP:MUSIC at this time, though they seem to be going in the right direction. They have a single EP out, which appears to be self-published, and a claim of an album coming out next year. I've been unable to find any media coverage of the band except for a mention of the Chicago radio station's competition, and their touring seems to consist of being a local band playing Chicago-area venues on the Warped Tour, one of 60 bands playing the Dirtfest events, and a local opener for the Chicago shows of Taste of Chaos. Technically, they have played with the many bands mentioned here, but it would appear they were on the second or third stages. I don't see indications of national touring, media coverage, major awards, notable label involvement, or anything else that would confer notability at this point. Delete Tony Fox (arf!) 05:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Redirect to Idea Star Singer. Pastordavid (talk) 10:47, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Ranjini Haridas[edit]
Reviewing my decision of this article that I’ myself created. She is a TV anchor only famous through ISS-07, & no other programs. Apart from this, no other independent source. I now think no need of keeping it as an encyclopedia article (not now, may be later). Let you decide what you think. Avinesh Jose (talk) 04:40, 14 December 2007 (UTC) (categories)[reply]
The result was delete. Kurykh 01:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Sacred Heart Roman Catholic Church (Lake Worth)[edit]
This article violates WP:NOT#NEWS. The current text is unrelated to the article subject. The church has no scandal or controversy in the news and the page is being used for an unencyclopedic purpose - spam? - that does not serve Wikipedia but uses it in an uncharitable and irresponsible way. Mark Foley was not abused at the church. Charles Whitman, whose killing spree is attributed to a brain tumor, was not abused and the news articles about his killing spree do not mention what church he attended as a boy. Each man happened to have once attended the church. The entire church article consists of only this unrelated information and no other information can be found on the web to expand the page. If something is not in the news it is not notable. NancyHeise (talk) 04:33, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Singularity 19:36, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Envision High Schools[edit]
While school articles are rarely considered insufficiently notable, this one, right now, is, I think. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 19:48, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Singularity 19:32, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] South Korean parliamentary election, 2008[edit]Due to the lack of information avaliable, it seems pointless to have created this page. I am nominating this for deletion and then it can be recreated later next year when the candidates who run actually announce. Davidpdx (talk) 04:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep, with kudos to Edison for finding solid sources. Hopefully, someone will use them to reference and improve the article.--Kubigula (talk) 15:08, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Etsy[edit]Does not establish notability of website and seems to be mostly promotional and collection of external links. Delete TheRingess (talk) 21:18, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Speedy delete this was a recreation of Bruce Rusty Lang, which was speedy deleted last night.-Andrew c [talk] 14:51, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] B. Rusty Lang[edit]
Article about a non-notable doctor who co-authored a paper which was published in a scientific journal. Only source is said article. Clamster 03:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Singularity 19:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Joshua Hutchings[edit]
An article about a person and a myspace campaign related to him. Besides two myspace links, there is an article from a newspaper about the subject taking part in a martial arts competition unrelated to the myspace campaign. Lacks nobility. Clamster 03:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was garbage. DS (talk) 01:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Sea urchin bird[edit]This article appears to a hoax. The sources included, as far as I can tell, are not specifically about the subject and appear unreliable. Clamster 03:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep — Caknuck (talk) 18:43, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] List of games supporting force feedback[edit]
A list of low importance that cannot be verified. I can't believe it hasn't been nominated since now. Moreover, it's orphan Magioladitis (talk) 03:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Comment the list except from games contains patches and modifications which makes it impossible to be complete. The creator, Casimps1, in the talk page writes: I created this article because I was looking for such a list myself. I wanted to test out my new FF controllers. After scouring the web, I was able to compile this list and wanted to share it because the information was relatively difficult to track down. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:40, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 16:39, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Maurice A. Ramirez[edit]
An article about a medical doctor with other certifications and qualifications. The only source is a autobiographical book written by the subject of the article and the subject seems to have little or no nobility. Clamster 03:16, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The creator of this page added a comment to the talk page of this page and I have moved it below. Clamster 03:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Additional References being added. Maurice A. Ramirez is notable as the founder of the American Board of Disaster Medicine, an organization created in response to national and international calls for leadership in the medical response to disasters such as hurricane Katrina and the Indonesian tsunami. Maryandgreg (talk) 03:44, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The updated references list 10 third party sources including USA Today and Entrepeneur Magazine. The additional references are primarily thrid party verified reporting of data that would in theory be provided by the subject. Reviewing other biographies, the number of references is commencerate and the impact of the subject on the national and international stage justifies the article. Maryandgreg (talk) 05:07, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Kurykh 01:04, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Brian Meyer[edit]No sources. Regards, High on a tree (talk) 03:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Singularity 19:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Captain Brian "The Gersh"[edit]AfDs for this article:
This one smells wrong. I don't believe a word of it, and whilst I can't directly check any of the cited books, a few of them are available through Google Books and a keyword search for 'brian' or 'gersh' doesn't bring up a thing. This is the original author's sole contributions, and it just screams 'hoax' to me. Shimgray | talk | 02:54, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Singularity 19:23, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Stein Industries, Inc.[edit]
Non-notable company, fails WP:CORP. Corvus cornixtalk 02:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Moreschi If you've written a quality article... 16:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] List of Jewish anarchists[edit]
Completely uncited, offers nothing to the reader beyond Category:Jewish anarchists. Skomorokh incite 02:11, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Fails to provide substantial coverage in reliable secondary sources per WP:V and no sources were offered in this discussion. Pigman☿ 02:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Nick Knight (Forever Knight)[edit]
Fails WP:FICT. Character in a single 3 season series (and pilot). Complete plot regurgitation, indeed, it literally gives the entire plot of the show from start to finish, covering every episode, with some added WP:OR. Unsourced, multiple WP:NPOV violations. Failed merge/redirect attempt. Collectonian (talk) 02:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete.--Kubigula (talk) 22:39, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Curb stomping[edit]
Unsourced, possibly WP:NFT VivioFateFan (Talk, Sandbox) 01:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Cool Hand Luke 10:22, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Charli Carpenter[edit]
Accomplished professor, but wouldn't seem to meet our inclusion guidelines WP:PROF or WP:BIO. No articles about her, just a few casual mentions here and there.[30] W.marsh 01:19, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. —Scott5114↗ [EXACT CHANGE ONLY] 21:00, 22 December 2007 (UTC) Note: Non-admin Closure[reply] Judith Jacobs[edit]
Non-notable county politician. Ridernyc (talk) 00:30, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. Singularity 19:15, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Xocotl[edit]No such god. Someone is apparently confused with Xocotl Huetzi, the name of a festival. I can find no verification for this on Google Books except "The Dictionary of Gods and Goddesses, Devils and Demons", which does not seem especially reliable. Ptcamn (talk) 00:13, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep (no strong consensus to delete). Elkman (Elkspeak) 13:59, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Pavilion in the Park[edit]
Spammy page on a mall in Arkansas. A search for reliable sources turned up none. Ten Pound Hammer • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 14:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep. NB The deletion points can and should be addressed by proper editing of the article. Tyrenius (talk) 01:24, 21 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Sadism and masochism in fiction[edit]
Directory/trivia collection, with some entries and the lede fleshed out slightly with unsourced original research. Important works are already listed in BDSM#Culture_and_media, so this can be deleted outright. / edg ☺ ☭ 01:06, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. The argument that this article is a redundant fork of the list page has not been refuted, and is supported by most commenters below. Xoloz (talk) 15:30, 22 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Worlds of the 52 multiverse[edit]
There is nothing inherently notable about the modern 52 multiverse from a real-world perspective that requires containment on a separate page from List of DC Multiverse worlds or Multiverse (DC Comics) for that matter. The Multiverse itself is notable as a publishing annd continuity concept, and if only for sake of comprehensiveness and to make its usage evident, it is important that these are listed. What we have here, unfortunately is an in-universe explanation of the Multiverse which is better suited to the DC database project on Wikia~ZytheTalk to me! 12:20, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- J Greb (talk) 23:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Speedy deleted. IrishGuy talk 22:49, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply] Shwayze[edit]Claims notability but not proven, non notable performer, prod was removed without comment, authors name same as article name, previously speedied, did sign up with Suretone Records but no indication of 20 million paid, unverified/unverifiable claim of 37 million for RVCA Clothing and Vonzipper Eyewear . No references Sandahl 23:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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