Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anthony Lira

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete all --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 03:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anthony Lira[edit]

Lira is the lead singer of the band Inept. The band appears to be (barely) notable but the individual members are not. Each band member article consists solely of an infobox and one sentence saying what instrument they play. I originally put up PROD notices but they were all removed without comment by User:Chiman84 who is the creator and principal contributor to the band article, the band member articles and the band's album article. All of this user's edits except around six concern this band and its members. TM 22:59, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the other four band member articles I am nominating:

The band itself seems to scrape by with notability on the grounds that they've played at some notable festivals but they don't appear to have released any albums yet so someone more familiar with this stuff may want to consider nominating the article for the band itself or the article for their EP. --TM 23:12, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per nom. Shiva_eVolved 23:54, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As much as I hate these articles, if the band is notable, it follows that the band members are also notable. KnightLago (talk) 00:00, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect is the best solution. KnightLago (talk) 03:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I don't think it does. I think the consensus is that if a band is very notable then all the members are consequently notable. Just being in a band that barely meets notability guidelines has never been sufficient as far as I recall.--TM 00:07, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't looked at the band, but if the band is not notable, delete all the members as that is their sole claim for notability. KnightLago (talk) 00:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a link to the discussion or know where I can find it? KnightLago (talk) 00:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have anything to support the claim that all band members of any notable band are therefore notable? Best I can do for my case is cite Wikipedia:Notability (music), which nowhere states that an individual musician is notable simply because they are part of a notable ensemble or band. One could interpret the guideline according to your understanding however (ie. a musician goes on tour (as part of a band) and is therefore notable). One example of individual band member articles being redirected is with Kevin Barnes; I created the article a couple years ago and it was redirected to the band article repeatedly, first by others, and later by myself, since it added no new information and Barnes, as an individual did not meet WP:MUSIC. --TM 00:27, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, I just think that (not is this case as it appears this band is nn) the members of a notable band are notable. They are the band. I can see cases where not every member of a band is notable, like a backup singer, but when there are a few members of a band it follows that the band members are notable. But this is purely a hypothetical at this point. KnightLago (talk) 00:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all Everything notable about the individual musicians can be stated on the band's article. Watchsmart (talk) 00:57, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Which is surely more a case of Smerge and redirect, no? Which is standard practice in cases like this anyway. Grutness...wha? 01:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - There isn't really much TO merge, but yeah I think you're right... Watchsmart (talk) 01:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If there's anything to merge, that would be a good thing, then redirect this and all the others to the band. Which, to be bluntly honest, doesn't really meet WP:MUSIC to me, with one EP out and no real media coverage that I've been able to find. I'm looking into the claims of touring, but may AFD that later on depending what I find. Tony Fox (arf!) 05:08, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Just for the record (or for users browsing, closing admins, etc.) the only information to merge is date of birth/age and (apparently) place of birth (under origin in the infobox), although that information is unverified. Personally, I think redirects are unnecessary due to the lack of notability, but "WP is not paper" and as User:Grutness pointed out, merge and redirect is pretty much the standard in cases like this. --TM 05:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've just started an AFD for the band, so there might not be anywhere to merge to either. Tony Fox (arf!) 05:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge or Delete It looks like the article for the band is also going to get canned, so a merge might now work. This may have to be deleted. --Shark face 217 23:48, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. The band's article has been deleted (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inept), so the same goes for the individual musicians' articles; there is no evidence of notability on any of the pages. --Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 20:31, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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