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Excess LGBT articles
Kingsif, I'm completely open to changing the pages I created, specifically LGBTQ representation in adult animation, Cartoon Network and LGBTQ representation, LGBTQ representation in animated web series, and Netflix and LGBTQ representation in animation, but I will not accept them being deleted or having content removed without having the content removed should have a consensus and discussion on the talk pages of each of these four pages. I had the content in each of those articles in longer history pages, like History of LGBTQ characters in animation: 2010s, History of LGBTQ characters in animated series: 1990s, History of LGBTQ characters in animated series: 2000s, History of LGBTQ characters in animation: 2020s, and History of LGBTQ characters in animated series for much of 2020, but those pages were getting too long, per WP:SIZESPLIT, and the information did not seem as organized as I would have liked. So, I decided to be bold and divide it off into its own pages. There was no opposition to the creation of those history pages in the past, as you can see, if you wan to go through the history of each of those history pages. There's more to the creation and maintenance of those pages, but I can say it has been mostly a solitary venture of mine, although it wasn't my choice to do so. I would like others to join me in editing the pages, but I have not been successful in getting others to help at this point. --Historyday01 (talk) 15:50, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Historyday01: You clearly want to help the encyclopedia but you have a shit attitude and don't seem to understand the issues being pointed out, instead insisting there's nothing wrong and you're being attacked. People have legitimate concerns. I'm not even going to try to discuss any issues until you can assure that you're opening your mind to criticism, and I certainly need you to sort out whatever tells you that you have the authority to demand that
I will not accept them being deleted or having content removed
. Fun fact: nobody on WP, not even an admin, has the authority to say that NOBODY CAN DELETE OR EDIT MY ARTICLE I SWEAR. Also note that standard Wikipedia practice is to use "LGBT", not "LGBTQ". I have no opinion on this and was not part of any decision to pick the former over the latter, I'm just informing you that this is the standard and at the very least these articles need moving to such titles. Kingsif (talk) 16:49, 1 January 2021 (UTC)As I said before, and I would be willing to discuss "having the content removed should have a consensus and discussion on the talk pages of each of these four pages" and as such, I struck the "I will not accept them" section. Again, I agree that I do not own the pages. Anyway, if the titles to the pages should be changed, then that should be discussed on the talk pages of each of those pages. If someone wants to bring that up, then I'm all ears for that. However, it seems unlikely that you will be part of that, since you said "I have no opinion on this and was not part of any decision to pick the former over the latter." So, yes, I am aware of that "standard Wikipedia practice" and I was planning on a RFC on all pages with LGBT in the name to decide if to use LGBT, LGBTQ, or something else, but I've been caught up with other editing
For a person who says I'm not being civil and invokes WP:CIVIL, you are more of a violator of that than me! So, you called me a "dick," "demeaning," and "spiteful." Yeah, I admit that I should have worded my words differently and I apologize for what I said, as I was caught up in the heat of the moment, but I did not include any personal attacks of you on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies as I did not call you any names on there, while you did, so I removed your comment and my previous comment. If you want to cite Wikipedia rules, you are violating WP:NPA and WP:IUC for what you said on that forum. As such, I guess I can't expect any positive contributions on any of the pages I created yesterday.Historyday01 (talk) 16:54, 1 January 2021 (UTC)- @Historyday01: can we keep this shit to one thread? You don't have to keep bugging me if you don't like me. You don't seem to know that "don't be a dick" and "being a dick" (Wikipedia:DONTBEADICK) is the casual way editors on Wikipedia refer to a CIVIL-like policy that applies across all Wikimedia, so it's more authoritative than just CIVIL. And it flows better. "Demeaning" and "spiteful" aren't personal attacks, they're accurate descriptors of your rude behavior towards me - am I supposed to say you're being a dick without giving an example? Make it make sense. Kingsif (talk) 16:58, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'm fine keeping it on one thread, sure. But, if you don't want to bug me, then we should just leave it at that, and end the discussion here once and for all. Historyday01 (talk) 17:01, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Historyday01: I've fixed your strikethrough in the top comment; you have a real problem with editing comments to change context, which is disruptive editing, too. Now, you keep saying you believe I won't join in any discussion and yet we are here, on my talkpage, because you don't like what I have to say at discussion. And yes, the current project talk threads are discussions, though your comments also imply you don't think they count (maybe because they were started to point out issues?) When mass article edits and mass article creations are concerned, it's better to deal with it at a project scale rather than repeat the same shit at every article talkpage. You're going to have to get used to how very active Wikiprojects deal with articles in their scope if you'll be creating a lot. Kingsif (talk) 17:09, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Sigh. Anyway, can we just end this discussion? I don't have all day to argue with people on Wikipedia. Historyday01 (talk) 17:11, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Historyday01: Sure? I didn't see arguing so much as me trying to explain things and you being annoyed, which I guess is reflected in these last two comments, too. For what it's worth, I'm glad a student editor decided to stick around for once, but real ropes (not WikiEd anti-collaborative nonsense) need to be learned at some point. Kingsif (talk) 17:16, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- I guess, thanks? Historyday01 (talk) 17:17, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Historyday01: Sure? I didn't see arguing so much as me trying to explain things and you being annoyed, which I guess is reflected in these last two comments, too. For what it's worth, I'm glad a student editor decided to stick around for once, but real ropes (not WikiEd anti-collaborative nonsense) need to be learned at some point. Kingsif (talk) 17:16, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- Sigh. Anyway, can we just end this discussion? I don't have all day to argue with people on Wikipedia. Historyday01 (talk) 17:11, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Historyday01: I've fixed your strikethrough in the top comment; you have a real problem with editing comments to change context, which is disruptive editing, too. Now, you keep saying you believe I won't join in any discussion and yet we are here, on my talkpage, because you don't like what I have to say at discussion. And yes, the current project talk threads are discussions, though your comments also imply you don't think they count (maybe because they were started to point out issues?) When mass article edits and mass article creations are concerned, it's better to deal with it at a project scale rather than repeat the same shit at every article talkpage. You're going to have to get used to how very active Wikiprojects deal with articles in their scope if you'll be creating a lot. Kingsif (talk) 17:09, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'm fine keeping it on one thread, sure. But, if you don't want to bug me, then we should just leave it at that, and end the discussion here once and for all. Historyday01 (talk) 17:01, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Historyday01: can we keep this shit to one thread? You don't have to keep bugging me if you don't like me. You don't seem to know that "don't be a dick" and "being a dick" (Wikipedia:DONTBEADICK) is the casual way editors on Wikipedia refer to a CIVIL-like policy that applies across all Wikimedia, so it's more authoritative than just CIVIL. And it flows better. "Demeaning" and "spiteful" aren't personal attacks, they're accurate descriptors of your rude behavior towards me - am I supposed to say you're being a dick without giving an example? Make it make sense. Kingsif (talk) 16:58, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
talk page; or leaving bullshit at a GA review and now being mad it got removed
I intend to delete large portions of that page. Was that not a talk page that I made the comments on.? I saw that it was a page where changes to the age were being discussed. I also made the same comments on the main talk page. Sorry if I offended your tender sensibilities but I feel strongly about what I'm writing about. What's on that page is completely inappropriate and even repeats a threat to the life of a human being. The respectful thing to do would have been to contact me before reverting what I wrote on a talk page.Jackhammer111 (talk)
- @Jackhammer111: No, it is not the talk page, it is a GA review, which is very clear if you read it. Keep it to the article talk page, not a related but completely separate review process. You shouldn't be duplicating complaints everywhere even if it was an appropriate page, but I literally said in the edit reason it was the wrong place. So question answered, why the heck are you coming to me!? Also, if you want to discuss changes, actually discuss them, don't ramble about how you don't like article content. Now piss off with calling me "tender" and disrespectful and citing OWN at me for removing your irrelevant comment from a GA review you're not involved in (especially when you say you plan to ignore users because you have strong feelings about content). Nonsense, and clearly you've never read AGF, CIVIL, etc. etc. Kingsif (talk) 02:18, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
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FIFA tables
It doesn't matter if all articles are this way. What we're saying is false. We say that Portugal and Ghana advance to knockout stage and that Uruguay and South Korea do not, despite the fact that they haven't played a single game. We shouldn't present falsehoods, period. — kwami (talk) 08:00, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Kwamikagami: They do not say that, though. The tables are dated, including future dates, to make this opaque. And you know I wasn't saying "others are wrong so it's fine to be wrong", I was clearly saying that these tables have been judged to be correct by many more users than you. Kingsif (talk) 10:19, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
- But they do say that. They say which teams are going to advance before the games are played. There may be consensus that it's acceptable to make false statements because people are going to understand that they're false, but that's setting up a walled garden for readers who know how the system works. For new people attracted to soccer because of coverage of the World Cup, the obvious conclusion is that WP is not to be trusted. — kwami (talk) 19:26, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Kwamikagami: It clearly isn't, and your hyperbole ("users having to take an extra moment to interpret a few tables will make them think all of WP is bad!") is not helping whatever point you're trying to make about some users either not reading the "as of" date or not associating dated information with that date only. But it's the same with all our sources, they're all dated and the information on WP is reliable to that date, and so sometimes it is outdated. Do we mark everything not written today as potentially inaccurate? No, we point people to the date. It is no different here. If you have an issue with it, I suggest you start seeking a formal consensus somewhere else. Kingsif (talk) 12:52, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- Not to mention, separately, that "this is what the standings are looking like right now, what will the teams need to do" tables are so incredibly common in football and other events with group stages, that I find the theory people newly coming to Wikipedia would be unfamiliar utterly unconvincing. This isn't something WP came up with. Kingsif (talk) 13:00, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- I'm unfamiliar with it. I find it confusing. If we show the teams advancing before the match is finished, then we're saying that some teams are so far ahead that they're certain to advance regardless of the results of the remainder of the games. That is false.
- And no, if you read the 'as of' date it is still wrong. It is not true that as of a date before the beginning of the match, one team has advanced and another has not. — kwami (talk) 19:49, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Kwamikagami: As I said, this is the wrong venue to argue your case. I took your initial message in good faith, that you may have thought you had a policy-based reason to oppose long-standing consensus. But you have come equipped with nothing but your opinion. For the record, I disagree with you on that, too, as your personal poor interpretation cannot be prescribed to the readership as a whole, and I think all of one case study is weak supporting evidence. I also think you are simply misreading the tables besides football knowledge, as they do not indicate certainty, just "if nothing changes as of now this would happen", which cannot be false. Take it to the football project or, if still around, a tables project, to seek changing consensus. And stop nagging me about the fact you don't agree with something I enforced but did not decide. You're not going to convince me there is anything wrong, not that either of us could do anything about it anyway. Kingsif (talk) 22:50, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not using this as a venue to change the template, I'm simply contradicting your false statements. The fact that you would imply I'm acting in bad faith simply because I want WP to be accurate says unflattering things about you as an editor. — kwami (talk) 23:34, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- One could characterise your coming to an individual user page to state your piece, instead of a more appropriate venue, then continuing to belabour the point when asked to stop, as perhaps not bad faith but certainly at least petulant; it is not done in good faith as it is not beneficial to Wikipedia and is you deliberately fraying editing relations. Or are you merely here trolling? It's one or the other; how else would you interpret the behaviour of someone who knows they cannot affect change but continues to spam one person they disagree with anyway? Kingsif (talk) 14:30, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not using this as a venue to change the template, I'm simply contradicting your false statements. The fact that you would imply I'm acting in bad faith simply because I want WP to be accurate says unflattering things about you as an editor. — kwami (talk) 23:34, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- @Kwamikagami: As I said, this is the wrong venue to argue your case. I took your initial message in good faith, that you may have thought you had a policy-based reason to oppose long-standing consensus. But you have come equipped with nothing but your opinion. For the record, I disagree with you on that, too, as your personal poor interpretation cannot be prescribed to the readership as a whole, and I think all of one case study is weak supporting evidence. I also think you are simply misreading the tables besides football knowledge, as they do not indicate certainty, just "if nothing changes as of now this would happen", which cannot be false. Take it to the football project or, if still around, a tables project, to seek changing consensus. And stop nagging me about the fact you don't agree with something I enforced but did not decide. You're not going to convince me there is anything wrong, not that either of us could do anything about it anyway. Kingsif (talk) 22:50, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
- But they do say that. They say which teams are going to advance before the games are played. There may be consensus that it's acceptable to make false statements because people are going to understand that they're false, but that's setting up a walled garden for readers who know how the system works. For new people attracted to soccer because of coverage of the World Cup, the obvious conclusion is that WP is not to be trusted. — kwami (talk) 19:26, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
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Ah, it looks like what I'm 99.9% certain is the same person, as a different IP, who was partly responsible for misbehaviour which allowed an administrator to fully protecting the Jordan Nobbs article for removing similar sourced content. I pray and hope the similar issue of having too many edits resulting in edit warring won't happen here. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 22:56, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, looks like one of those people who thinks they're doing BLP subjects a favour by removing publicly known and well sourced information about their relationships. At least it's not the kind of person who thinks they're doing good by "updating" BLPs with unsourced dating rumours. Does the IP do this a lot? Range block might be worth it? Kingsif (talk) 23:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- And there they go again. Kingsif (talk) 23:48, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
- I see you've already warned this IP for edit warring. It was lucky that I've managed to make a format section edit to Jordan Nobbs before the full protection came. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 10:11, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- Reported, indef requested. Kingsif (talk) 13:30, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- Seriously, you're re-adding content based on [1], which is clearly not a WP:RS, but a fan piece? There's been a discussion about this article at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Leah Williamson, and I and others have BLP concerns about using that source to verify this. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:16, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
- Er, no. AfterEllen is not a fan site. That report is a recap of a sports competition, so if you think it's written like a fan that just means it's a report from someone who is also a fan (i.e. most reporters in sports and media). As noted, the IP has been at other footballers' articles, as well as an actor's it seems, arbitrarily removing stuff. If their edits are what influenced you to doubt the validity of a legit RS, maybe consider that they're probably a homophobic vandal just wanting to erase the info. Kingsif (talk) 17:14, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
- Seriously, you're re-adding content based on [1], which is clearly not a WP:RS, but a fan piece? There's been a discussion about this article at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Leah Williamson, and I and others have BLP concerns about using that source to verify this. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:16, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
- Reported, indef requested. Kingsif (talk) 13:30, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
- I see you've already warned this IP for edit warring. It was lucky that I've managed to make a format section edit to Jordan Nobbs before the full protection came. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 10:11, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024
Hello Kingsif,
Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.
Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to JTtheOG, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.
Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.
It's worth noting that both queues are gradually increasing again and are nearing 14,034 articles and 22,540 redirects. We encourage you to keep contributing, even if it's just a single patrol per day. Your support is greatly appreciated!
2023 Awards
Onel5969 won the 2023 cup with 17,761 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 50/day. There was one Platinum Award (10,000+ reviews), 2 Gold Awards (5000+ reviews), 6 Silver (2000+), 8 Bronze (1000+), 30 Iron (360+) and 70 more for the 100+ barnstar. Hey man im josh led on redirect reviews by clearing 36,175 of them. For the full details, see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone for their efforts in reviewing!
WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers deployed the rewritten NewPagesFeed in October, and then gave the NewPagesFeed a slight visual facelift in November. This concludes most major work to Special:NewPagesFeed, and most major work by the WMF Moderator Tools team, who wrapped up their major work on PageTriage in October. The WMF Moderator Tools team and volunteer software developers will continue small work on PageTriage as time permits.
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