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How To Change My User Name??

Hey I want to change my user name so, How can i send request to change my use name??

My Current user name is User:Nithiin1983 this is my real name so i want change the user name.. so please suggest me how can i change it??

Nithiin1983 14:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC) Nithiin1983 14:57, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Nithiin1983 You may make a request at either Special:GlobalRenameRequest(if you have an email address attached to your account) or WP:CHUS (if you don't). 331dot (talk) 16:13, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

@Nithiin1983: Because you have such a small number of edits over such a short time, it might be best if you simply abandon the account (don't use it any more) and just create a new account with your desired username. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:02, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nithiin1983:, Following up on AlanM1's good advice: if you'd prefer that your old account (this one) not be associated with even these few contributions, you could blank your user page and then request for it to be deleted: add {{Db-u1}} to the top of your user page, and an admin will come around and delete it for you. Then, you can WP:VANISH your account. Now you're free to create a new account, with nothing to connect anyone to your old one. Mathglot (talk) 09:36, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Ok, But i dont want to create new account i will use this only, so i hope this account will be eligible in future for changing my user name at that day i will send request to change my user name.Darknet King 12:14, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Nithiin1983: Please keep in mind that it can be confusing to others if your signature does not reflect your actual username. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

uploaded photo

Hi I have mistakenly uploaded this image to the internet outside of wiki, can this be reversed? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:William_Martin._%27Wigandia%27..jpg#file Kwaizzz (talk) 03:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Kwaizzz: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The file you linked to above is in Wikipedia's "file namespace". You can use it in your article on William Martin, although uploading to Wikimedia Commons is desired as it can then be used in Wikipedia articles in different languages. Did you want to delete the above file for some reason?ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:20, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your input. I uploaded the file for possible use thinking it would be at my disposal to use and not as it is now, freely available. I am very new to the wiki process and easily confused at this point in time!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kwaizzz (talk • contribs)

@Kwaizzz: because of the way it is licensed on that page, anyone can use it, including you, if you want to use it in a wiki article.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:15, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

If possible I would like the photo deleted.Thanks again. Kwaizzz (talk) 06:16, 1 August 2020 (UTC) cannot remove? Kwaizzz (talk) 03:02, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Will Wikipedia/Commons pay for updated resources (4 related books) used for editing?

Hello... Will Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons pay for updated resources (4 related books covering the Canadian Rockies) used only for editing? There used to be 2 books covering the Canadian Rockies and with an update, there are now 4 (the last - Rockies North - is still unavailable). I have no use for these other than my Wikipedia work - my knees are shot and I no longer can get into the backcountry. But these books have corrected mountain heights and other corrections, so I would like to acquire them. Is this something that Wikipedia or Commons will reimburse me if I do get them?). I figure one can't get reimbursed if one doesn't ask. Cheers, Brett. BrettA343 (talk) 16:06, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, BrettA343. I hesitate to say an unequivocal "No" from ignorance, but I've never heard of such a thing. It's possible that somebody could help at WP:REX. --ColinFine (talk) 16:29, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi BrettA343 - nice to encounter you again (re Mount Lyell - if you need a memory jog). I do know what you mean about 'shot knees'; me too, mate. I think Colin is right to suggest this is extremely unlikely - I've never heard of it either. Over at my pet WikiProject (WP:ALPS) we're building up a list of references works that we each hold and are willing to help one another with (but probably not actually loan out). You might find that WP:MOUNTAINS does the same, or that someone might have the relevant guidebook they'd be willing to pass over/sell you. I've had to buy my own books for my Wikipedia-related mountaineering interests (I guess that's why it's called an 'interest'), but my approach has been to keep an eye out on ebay for a work that's being sold at the right price for me. I've also found Twitter useful at times, and recently had one kind person scan me an obituary from an 1895 Alpine Club journal, which I then used, whilst a casual tweet to Ambrosia10 was retweeted to her followers, within the hour solving a 25 year mystery, and allowing me to improve a page I'd been working on for ages. Utilising the goodwill of other interested parties across the globe can sometimes yield great things. And its free! Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:10, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Nick and Colin, but I had to ask... Next, I guess I'll ask Santa if she can help :-). I think getting help from WP:MOUNTAINS might be a good idea, too, but I'll likely wait 'til Xmas as I'd rather have my own copies of the 4 volumes anyway, and thus not bug project members (even willing ones). I can't see many copies of these being offered for sale, just because they're too new (and improved over previous editions). And of course I remember your involvement on my Mt. Lyell question, Nick - and glad to see you hosting at The Teahouse :-)! Thanks again and cheers, Brett BrettA343 (talk) 20:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Barbadian schools

Can a list of Barbadian schools be updated ? Ddemod (talk) 01:53, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ddemod: welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Almost any article can be updated, and almost any editor can update it. If you have changes to make to List of schools in Barbados, you are welcome to do so. Do leave an edit summary explaining what you are doing; and if you were to add a citation to a reliable published source for your change, you would be increasing the value of that completely unreferenced article immensely. --ColinFine (talk) 09:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I've now added a couple of references to it, so it's no longer completely unreferenced. This makes it very slightly more than totally valueless. --ColinFine (talk) 09:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Notifications of replies

Is Wikipedia supposed to notify me when someone replies to a question of mine, for example at the reference desk? Or am I required to check "Watch this page" every time I ask a question?

Also, when I reply to someone on an article's talk page, can I be sure they'll be notified of the reply, or does that also require them having selected "Watch this page"? Cheesycow5 (talk) 02:05, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cheesycow5: Welcome to Wikipedia. It is not automatic. You will only get notified if someone "pings" you when they reply, as I have done here to notify you. RudolfRed (talk) 02:07, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Oh, ok, did I do the ping correctly? Cheesycow5 (talk) 02:22, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cheesycow5: Yes. I got the notification. You got it figured out. RudolfRed (talk) 02:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Great, thank you for the help. Cheesycow5 (talk) 02:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Do you have any idea why I haven't gotten any notifications for the replies I've gotten on Talk:Mangalwedha? Cheesycow5 (talk) 23:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cheesycow5: looks like most of the replies to you are not signed. the notification only works if the "ping" and the signing are in the same post. RudolfRed (talk) 00:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Oh, that makes sense, thanks. Cheesycow5 (talk) 00:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Reverting page to original?

Hello,

I understand what you're saying. However, if the information that existed on that page was there already (before I did any editing), why can I not return it to how it was when I found it? Tensack (talk) 02:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Tensack. It would help others to try and help you if you could actually provide a link to the article (page) you're referring to above. It would also help to know who the "you" is you're referring to in your post. It looks like you're asking about Daniella Ohad and from that's article's history it appears that quite a lot of content was removed as a copyright violation by an administrator named Justlettersandnumbers.

Perhaps, Justlettersandnumbers will give you a more detailed explanation why, but sometimes an article can be in the same state for quite some time. That could be for lots of reasons as explained in WP:CONTENTAGE, but perhaps the previous version you tried to re-establish wasn't really in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines and nobody noticed it until now. Probably the best place for you to discuss this would be at Talk:Daniella Ohad since disagreements over article content are generally best sorted on on the relevant article's talk page. One thing though is that the older version you tried to revert back contained lots of unsourced content, which can be particularly a problem per WP:BLPSOURCES. The current version seems to have been an attempt to remove what was unsourced and try keep only the stuff which can be verified through citations to reliable sources. So, in a Wikipedia sense, that is actually an improvement and more of what a Wikipedia article is intended to be. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:55, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Marchjuly, that about covers it. The amount of copyvio was actually pretty limited (not enough to justify revdeletion in my opinion). I reverted Tensack mostly because the material was promotional and either ill-sourced (mostly to her own website) or completely unsourced, but also because of WP:UPE concerns. Tensack, if you are being – or expect to be – paid to edit here, you must make appropriate disclosure of your employer, client, and affiliation; this obligatory, not optional. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:24, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Is Wikipedia misleading its readers?

I am a frequent Wikipedia reader who occasionally edits, and for the past few weeks I’ve seen messages asking for donations. I don’t donate for certain reasons (though I will consider donating later on), but today, I saw a message that said "To all our readers in India, It might be awkward, but please don't scroll past this. This Sunday, for the 1st time recently, we humbly ask you to defend Wikipedia's independence. 98% of our readers don't give; they simply look the other way. If you are an exceptional reader who has already donated, we sincerely thank you. If you donate just ₹ 150, Wikipedia could keep thriving for years. Most people donate because Wikipedia is useful. If Wikipedia has given you ₹ 150 worth of knowledge this year, take a minute to donate. Show the volunteers who bring you reliable, neutral information that their work matters. Thank you."

Is Wikipedia deliberately misleading its Indian readers by saying that this is the first time it has asked Indians for donations?

And one more thing which I think the Wikimedia staff should be aware of (I don’t know where to inform them): there is currently a social media campaign against Wikipedia being orchestrated by conservatives in India as per this 45.251.33.60 (talk) 06:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I parse the awkwardly-worded statement as saying that it is the first time recently that they ask. I believe the banner campaign happens for a month or so, once a year, so the last time would be 11 months ago – not recent by most standards. Regardless, if the banners bother you, the easiest solution is to register an account and log in with it. Then, once you dismiss the banner, you will not see it again (as long as you remain logged in, which you have to do once a year I think). You can contact the WMF with any issues you have regarding fundraising at WP:DONATE. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:07, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia has been asking me to donate for about one month so far, so I don’t understand why they say for the 1st time recently now only instead of a few weeks back. That’s my point. 45.251.33.60 (talk) 07:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I see your point, but as an anonymous IP editor, it does not know if you have been shown the ad before. Do tell them about it if you like, though, as suggested above. Participants here have nothing to do with WMF fundraising. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

You can disable banner messages if you have an account. As noted, there is no way to know if an IP user has been shown a message before, as IPs can be used by multiple people. 331dot (talk) 10:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@331dot: FWIW, I emailed WMF donations about this recurring issue, which they say is related to "... browsers have recently changed how they respond to 'cross-site' cookies, and no longer allow us to suppress donation request banners in the same way that [they] have in previous years." They are working on a solution to at least suppress them for those who donate. They do say that dismissing the banner (even as an IP) will hide it for one week (which was news to me). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:16, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

how can i make an article

 shadmansakib (talk) 07:41, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Shadman24, have a look at WP:YFA. It guides you through the process of creating your first article. Celestina007 08:19, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Stupid question..

Hello, all.... If I find a page that has not been translated into English, do I have to translate it or leave it?  Aans03 (talk) 08:44, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:Translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: oh thanks for answering.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aans03 (talk • contribs) 10:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome, and (for future information) a ping doesn't work unless you end your message with your signature. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:24, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Aans03: Do you mean you have found a page on English Wikipedia that is written in another language? That should not be. What page is it? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:20, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

How to format Infobox Artwork when work requires two images

The article with the Infobox Artwork is Tragic Prelude.

The image to be added is File:Portion_of_mural_Tragic_Prelude,_by_John_Steuart_Curry,_Kansas_Capitol,_Topeka.jpeg

This needs to be displayed horizontally to the right of the existing inage. The mural turns a corner and continues at 90°.

If there is a way to insert a two-part image in an infobox I don't know it. I could ditch the infobox and make a gallery. Or I could use external software to reate a collage of the two images, if that would not complicate the non-free fair use situation. deisenbe (talk) 10:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: I'd say take it out of the infobox and into a gallery. The resulting image would be so wide and reduced so much to fit in the infobox, it would be hard to see the details of it. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:48, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Can you improve the formatting? deisenbe (talk) 11:27, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Deisenbe: There are a couple of issues involved here that are related to Wikipedia’s non-free content use policy.

The first one is related to WP:NFCC#9. Non-free file’s can only be used (i.e. displayed) in the article namespace. So, if you want to discuss them on a talk page or noticeboard like the Teahouse, please link to the file instead per WP:TPG#Non-free images.

The second has to do with WP:NFG. Non-free images are pretty much never allowed in image galleries. So, it would be better for you to try and incorporate the image into the body of the article near the content which discusses it.

Finally, the last thing has to do with WP:NFCC#1. The two other files of this work being used in that article are freely licensed images uploaded to Commons. If those licenses are correct, then there’s no way that a non-free image of the same work will be allowed per WP:FREER. Whether those Commons files licensed correctly depends on two things: the copyright status of the work itself and the copyright status of the photo. If the work isn’t still protected by copyright, then a non-free photo of it will never meet NFCC#1 because anyone could essentially take an equivalent photo and release it under a free license per c:COM:2D copying. If the work is still protected by copyright, then any photo of it would be need to be treated as non-free content even if the photo is freely licensed. You might want to ask about this a WP:MCQ or maybe even c:COM:VPC to see whether the work is still protected by copyright. — Marchjuly (talk) 12:05, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

This is way over my head. I read over the linked pages I found in the help files. I wish someone who knows better than me what to so would just fix it instead of leaving me complicated suggestions.

Regarding the gallery, this is an unusual case. The image is not used as one of a set of images of different works, as there is no image of the entire, complete work anywhere. You need the gallery to see the complete work that the article is about. If there's a better way to format it please do so. deisenbe (talk) 12:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia policies on image use and non-free content use can be rather hard to sort out, but you’re going to need to be willing to make more of an effort to try and sort things out yourself if you’re going to be uploading images. Simply uploading files and then expecting others to figure out whether it was OK to do so is not really a good way to go about things. Everything is going to depend on the copyright status of the mural. If it’s still protected by copyright, then photos of it are going to be hard to use. If it’s not, then photos of it are going to be much easier to use. If File:THUMBNAIL001L.jpg is part of the same mural and its copyright license is correct, then the rest of the mural is also probably no longer protected by copyright is well if it was all painted together at the same time. Perhaps c:COM:PD-Art will help explain this better than I can here. — Marchjuly (talk) 12:44, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I’ve asked about this at WP:MCQ#File:Portion of mural Tragic Prelude, by John Steuart Curry, Kansas Capitol, Topeka.jpeg. One possible problem is that you don’t seem to be the person who took the photo. Which means there’s a good chance that Wikipedia cannot keep it even if the mural is considered to be within the public domain and thus not protected by copyright. — Marchjuly (talk) 13:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Have you looked at Template:Photo montage, Template:Multiple image, Template:Image frame, etc.? --David Biddulph (talk) 12:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

James Carney (pianist and composer)

Hello, am working on a WikiPedia for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:James_Carney_(pianist_and_composer). and received this note from the editor:

---This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.---

I disagree that the ariticles mentioned only show passing mentions, most of the articles are about James Carney and his music.

There are a lot more articles that have been written about James Carney in the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Downbeat, Jazz Times, All About Jazz, All Music and other books and publications.

Can someone give me some additional pointers? Thank you! HeidiBa (talk) 12:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@HeidiBa: Some of the references you provided are primary sources (e.g. Sunnyside Records, Cleanfeed Records, BandCamp, Steph Richards) or passing mentions (e.g. Syracuse International Film Festival). Since you have a lot more articles, you may want to consider expanding the draft using those references. You only have four sentences in the first section, and two sentence fragments in the "Notable Performances" section. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:06, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, HeidiBa. Does Common sourcing mistakes help at all? --ColinFine (talk) 15:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Teach me how to edit.

Can you teach me how to edit Wikipedia? I am new.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Fordtrucks (talk • contribs)

@Fordtrucks: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This link might be a good place to start.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 17:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Feedback requested on first rewrite

Hello Teahouse! Although I've had an account for some years, I only recently started editing. I found out about The Wikipedia Adventure, and tried to complete that today, although I think it was a bit buggy.

In any case, I've made several edits to Consensus decision-making recently, after trying to get some feedback via the talk page. I ended up re-writing the intro and moving some sections. I feel a bit uneasy making such big edits (and I intend to do more) without getting any feedback. I wondered if someone would like to give me some feedback if I'm doing anything totally wrong?

Cheers, Douginamug (talk) 18:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

You added a subsection to provide an example, and while it contained Wikilinks, you neglected to copy/paste references. Also, check if article using Great Britain spelling, USA spelling or other English language country. David notMD (talk) 19:46, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks David notMD, I was unsure if I should copy and paste references—now I know. Douginamug (talk) 20:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Art galleries as reliable sources

I've just had an editor delete a reference in an article with the reason that "a commercial gallery is not an independent reliable source" - I've read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources and do not believe that such a "blanket" statement can be made - any comments? Artdoofus (talk) 18:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

The title of this thread, and your mention of Wikipedia:Reliable sources, suggest that you think that the issue is one of reliability. I believe that the real issue is not reliability, but independence. Commercial art galleries exist to sell artworks. They cannot be expected to be independent when assessing the merits and value of the works they display. Maproom (talk) 18:53, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Artdoofus, and welcome to the Teahouse. Few blanket statements are always correct about referencing. In general, a commercial gallery that is trying to sell work by a particular artist is not independent of that artist -- it has a financial interest in making that artist seem more important and successful than the artist actually is. Such a gallery might well be reliable for straightfo0rward facts, such as when was the artist born, when was a given picture painted, where does the artist live, who did the artist study under, and the like, but will not help much with notability. What article is this, because th4e exact statement being supported by the reference will matter. Not all refernces need to be independent. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:55, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Is it ok when companies insert their name in image captions?

An example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_nucleus In that article, the company name "Nanolive" appears in an image caption of a short video that was produced with their microscope. I have also seen similar patterns like this where company names appear in articles and/or image captions but don't really add value to the article. (at least I don't think the average user needs to know the brand of microscope something was filmed on) Should I remove such instances when I see them? Douira100 (talk) 18:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I have removed the credit to Nanolive. If they want, and can justify, attribution of the image to them they should do so at the image's page on Wikimedia Commons. Maproom (talk) 18:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Two conflicting titles on a source

I am looking through some of the sources on an article and it appears differently on Google Books to how it appears on WorldCat. What should I do here? User:Thatoneweirdwikier | Conversations and Contributions 18:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Thatoneweirdwikier, and welcome back to the Teahouse.

It looks as if one source is simply giving a shortened version of the title, and it is mfien nto use that. Or the checvk further. The US Library of Congress lists the title as The Battle of Britain : and the American factor, July-October 1940 / David A. Johnson. so it seem that "and the American factor, July-October 1940" is a sub-title. Both here on Wikipedia, and in listings elsewhere, sub-titles are optional, and can be included or omitted. In any case if you are using this as a source you should have actually read it. If you read the physical book, what did the title page say? If you read an online version, what title was listed there? In general follow the source in the form that you read it. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Thatoneweirdwikier: In general, WorldCat has unfortunately become rather polluted with inaccuracies and duplications in the last couple of years. I think they did some mass importing from other sources and didn't do a good job of matching against their existing data.

In this particular case, all the pictures of the cover that I find do not include "the American Factor". There appears to be only one edition. I would use "The Battle of Britain: July-October 1940" as the title. I don't know what to do with the "Great Campaigns" (if anything). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:10, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

issues with page edits

Hey fellow Wiki editors -- I just updated a page called Eden Reforestation Projects and it says that the page "has issues", including needing additional verification and not being linked to by any other page. But I don't understand why those issues are flagged because I added a lot of references and I saw that there is at least one other page (Ecosia) that links to Eden Reforestation Projects. Any advice? Thank you! Chandigar (talk) 19:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Chandigar. You are correct that Eden Reforestation Projects is no longer an orphan, so I removed that tag. The current state of the references is poor. Several are press releases which are not independent sources. Many are YouTube videos which can often be problematic and need to be checked carefully for copyright status, reliability and independence. Most of the references are presented as bare URLs. These should be properly formatted to present bibliographic information. Please read Referencing for beginners. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Teach me how to upload

Can you please teach me how to upload pictures? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fordtrucks (talk • contribs) 19:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Fordtrucks: See Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard, and be sure you understand who owns the copyright of the pictures. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) GoingBatty (talk) 21:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Confused

CONFUSED!

Hi All, Need some help, please! I've added factual content to a persons page, which reads like an advert. It keeps being taken down even though it is fact and now I'm being threatened to be blocked as a contributor.

Teddy McDonald, previously referred to as the artist Teddy M, was made bankrupt in the High Court on 4th February 2020 for not paying debts

Why is this being contested?

Thank you! Justright89199 (talk) 19:33, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Please see your user talk page and WP:BLP. 331dot (talk) 19:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Here's a reference, which might help: (Redacted) Maproom (talk) 22:08, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

The content that Justright89199 wants to add (and keeps re-adding) is the subject's address. Wikipedia does not allow the posting of that kind of personal information. Not even if it has been previously published elsewhere. In my opinion that policy would also prohibit posting the link that shows their address. "Factual content" about the subject's bankruptcy can be sourced in other ways. I have explained this clearly to Justright in several places. -- MelanieN (talk) 14:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Misuse of Photo

Hi there,

My name is Kelly McCormack and my wikipedia page is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_McCormack

on June 10th a photo was put up on my page that was taken from my facebook page. It was a photo that my sister took with my phone, and I own the rights to it, and I would like it taken down. The person who posted this photo does not own the rights. As you can see, it was not taken professionally, and very obviously taken with a phone - which was mine. If you would like proof of my identity, I can provide that, but I would like to have this photo removed.

thank you! Kelly 2001:569:7CFC:A000:E1BE:8701:E4D0:4BFA (talk) 19:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy- at Kelly McCormack, Kim Leung claims to have taken that photo at a 2017 event. David notMD (talk) 19:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Kelly. I would advise against editing your Wikipedia page because you have a conflict of interest. You will need an edit request on the article talk page stating that you would like to delete the image. You can use the {{request edit}} template to add it to the queue of new requests. I hope this helps. Interstellarity (talk) 20:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Kelly is not asking to add a photo, but rather to delete a photo. The editor who added it in June - Kim Leung - has a previous history of adding a photo to this article without having copyright to that photo. David notMD (talk) 20:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I have edited my comment to accurately answer her question. Interstellarity (talk) 20:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I would also suggest, Kelly, that you register an account and email [email protected] for instructions on establishing that the account as actually that of the subject of the article Kelly McCormack. And of course declare your conflict of interest with regard to that article. I have noted at commons that there is a challenge to the rights on this image. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:51, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

DESiegel I have been told that OTRS verification of identity is only done in cases of the user being blocked. 331dot (talk) 21:12, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

That was not my understanding, 331dot, but I could been mistaken. Neither Wikipedia:Contact us/Article subjects nor Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team explicitly says one way or the other. The latter does say Volunteers may provide more active assistance for defamation and privacy issues and for requests from the subjects of articles. It is hard to know whether thge above request is valid or not without a verified identity. And while the OP could create User:Kelly McCormack get blocked, and then request unblock after communicating with OTRS, that seems a pointless hoop to jumop through. I'm not on the OTRS team, so I am not sure of the proper course to follow. Perhaps Sphilbrick who is on that team could advise. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

DESiegel, I've been interested in the issue of confirmation of identity primarily because most such inquiries at OTRS are not solving the right problem, but it has been frustrating to get people on the same page.

This may turn out to be an example of addressing the wrong problem. The person claiming to be Kelly McCormack wants to know how to prove her identity on the assumption that this would aid in the removal of the photo. That man may not be true; it isn't obvious that it will help, and it is harder to do than Kelly might realize. Many people assume, understandably, that they can provide a photocopy of a license or passport but OTRS policy is not to accept such documents, which makes confirmation of identity challenging in some cases. In this particular case, I trust that Kelly agrees the real issue is the removal of the photo, and if that happens she may not care whether anyone confirms her identity or not.

The real issue is whether the person claiming copyright of the photo is accurately asserting copyright. If the answer is no, it doesn't matter whether the person claiming to be Kelly McCormick is Kelly McCormick or someone else.

I used to be an active participant in permissions but I'm less involved because frankly it's exhausting. I note that the photo does not have EXIF data displayed, which is a potential red flag. Not having this information could be (but not necessarily) a sign that the image was extracted from someplace else as opposed to a personal photograph. While it is acceptable to take a photo which has EXIF information, and post a cropped or modified version without the EXIF information, it is not uncommon in such situations that we request that the person claiming to be the copyright holder provide the underlying photo with the EXIF to prove that they are in possession of it. There are many people active in OTRS that have far deeper knowledge of these details than I have, but it might make sense to make that request of the person claiming copyright. If in fact they cropped it from Facebook page they are unlikely to be able to satisfy the request. If in fact they took the photo and an event as they claimed they should be able to provide it. In other words, the claim to copyright might be settled without jumping through the hoops for proof of identity. S Philbrick(Talk) 21:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Remark addressed to Kelly McCormack: if your sister took a photo using your phone, then she, not you, owns the copyright to the photo, and can legally donate it to Wikipedia. That's how copyright law works. None of us can change that.

Question addressed to Kelly McCormack: do you believe the person using the name "Kim Leung" is your sister? If they aren't, if for instance "Kim Leung" merely copied it from your Facebook page and uploaded it to Wikipedia claiming it as her own work (sadly, that kind of thing often happens), then that picture is not acceptable here and should be deleted. Maproom (talk) 22:28, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Maproom is exactly right and I'm sorry I missed that point. If your sister took the photo then she's the initial copyright holder even though she used your phone. If she transferred the copyright to you, then you are the copyright holder, but you are not the copyright holder simply because it was your phone. S Philbrick(Talk) 00:42, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Observation I'm pretty confident that Kelly, the original IP poster here, has a very strong case, as I'm pretty sure the uploader is a serial image copyright violator. I judge that, not only from their Commons Talk Page showing a past history of deletions of dubious images, but also by the three current uploads which DESiegel and I have just challenged them about there. In my view the editor (User:Kim Leung) needs to be indeffed from Commons and all their contributions deleted as quite untrustworthy. After an hour of snooping around the internet, and some reverse image searching, I've definitely found two more crop and upload jobs they've made. None of their uploads have EXIF data and are of such low resolution that I think the evidence is overwhelming they've breached policy over at Wikimedia Commons. But because Wikimedia Commons is a separate project from Wikipedia (with its own administrators and protocols) I cannot take that action myself. Nor can I warn or block a user here for actions they've made elsewhere. Anyone know how to report a user on Commons (rather than simply flag their individual uploads for deletion)? Nick Moyes (talk) 00:50, 3 August 2020 (UTC)    

Nick Moyes I have reported the user at c:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems. We will see hope commons admins follow up. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 01:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, DESiegel. Let's hope so. In the meantime, I have found yet another copyright violation - this time a blatant screen grab from this Nicki Minaj YouTube video (2mins 47 sec in, if anyone's curious enough to check it out). I decided not to report the single file at this point in time, but identified it on their user page on Commons for an admin to consider. I believe we should be proactive and remove the image of Kelly McCormack from that article (which I have just done), though any removal may well be reverted if a Commons investigation hasn't yet started into the actions and uploads of the editor in question. Please keep an eye on the article. Nick Moyes (talk) 02:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Update: All photographic 'contributions' from this user have now been deleted, as every one was a copyright violation. They have been warned that they will be blocked if this ever happens again. To Kelly McCormack: I do hope we've demonstrated that we listen and that we care. I'm sorry you have been upset and inconvenienced by someone else's illegal actions. May I ask if you might still consider providing an image of yourself that you do actually own, and which could be placed in the article about you? If so, please let us know, and we will guide you through the simple steps in properly releasing a photo. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:36, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Teach me how to edit

Can you teach me how to edit Wikipedia? I am new to Wikipedia. Chevytrucks (talk) 19:44, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Please ignore this question. This user has been blocked indefinitely. I am leaving this note so people don't waste time trying to type up an answer. Interstellarity (talk) 19:53, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

The editor has been unblocked. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

And blocked indefinitely for being a mere puppet of a blocked user. -- Hoary (talk) 05:31, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Chevytrucks: Looks like you're using WP:The Wikipedia Adventure. You might also want to try Help:Introduction to editing. GoingBatty (talk) 21:28, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

uploading photos

hi Wiki peeps. I want to upload some photos taken by the organization itself; do they have to do it themselves? I've read the Wiki info on photos but it's a bit confusing. Chandigar (talk) 20:48, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Chandigar and welcome to the Teahouse. Someone authorized by the copyright holder, which probably means someone from the organization, would have to release the photos under a free license, such as CC-BY-SA. This can be done by posting the images in an obviously official place,m such as the organization's web site, with a release statement. It could alternatively be done by following the process at Donating copyrighted material which involves an email sent to [email protected] from an address clearly associated with the copyright holder, probably the organization. That email will need to confirm the release, and specify the url where the images are located. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

New editor

 KittipongDawdungnoi 1 (talk) 21:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, KittipongDawdungnoi 1, and welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question about how to edit Wikipedia? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Need help with an edit.

Hi Wiki folk,

I found an error on a protected page and was curious if there was a place where I could suggest an edit for someone with access to make the change. The error is on the "Sri Lanka" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lanka page, Toponomy section, third paragraph, sentence 1. The "ṃ" should be changed to "ṅ" as this would be the more accurate way of pronunciation. Source: http://www.visiblemantra.org/pronunciation.html

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randru01 (talk • contribs) 23:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Randru01 and welcome to the Teahouse, Yes, the place to make such a suggestion would be on Talk:Sri Lanka, using {{edit request}}. Providing a reliable source is a very good idea in such cases. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 00:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I finish a translation using the translation tool?

Hi, I just published my first two translations. I used the translation tool and when I was reasonably happy with the result I renamed the page. Now I have two versions: one is the article and another one is an unfinished translation. How do I delete the unfinished translation? Cases are Jacques van Lier and Lina Coen. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 02:25, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ruud Buitelaar: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you want to delete a page in your userspace such as User:Ruud Buitelaar/Jacques van Lier, you can replace all the text with {{db-self}}, and someone will be along shortly to delete it. If the page you want to delete is not in your userspace, could you please provide a link? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC).

Thanks! Yes, the pages are in my userspace. I´ll follow your instructions to delete them.Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 15:54, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Getting attention on the Dispute resolution noticeboard

A dispute was brought to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Kamala_Harris by another editor, but Im one of the editors involved. I realize DRN is staffed by volunteers, and our edit is tiny, but its on a popular page Kamala_Harris. Not on the top 25 list, but topical. We got attention of one volunteer three days ago, but it was sort of an ancillary question. Im grateful for the attention its gotten, but for lack of attention, its sort of turned into an extension of the Talk:Kamala_Harris page, and I think it's not doing anyone any good. I would say, even I have not helped in this regard. Ive unfortunately responded way beyond my summary.

How do we move this forward, and get the attention of a volunteer? Rklahn (talk) 04:57, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

This has been has been answered elsewhere, and no longer needs to be addressed here. Rklahn (talk) 17:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

crystal

 186.189.148.113 (talk) 07:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, is there a specific question you want to ask? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Submit Draft:Ali Mansour

Submit Draft:Ali Mansour, a notable actor:

• 1. Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.

- yes, his role in the series Napoleon wal Mahroussa , his role in the series Saraya Abdeen , and in IMDb and elcinema.com, and Marefa – Ali Mansour's biography.

• 2. Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.

- yes, An actor and influencer with more than 200,000 followers on Facebook verified page.

• 3. Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.

- yes, promoting to Egypt, Tour guide and influencer here. and Ali Mansour On the largest Egyptian news sites. a notable person independent reliable sources 1 2 3 , radio interview On the official channel , television interview.

• all i have write in the Draft have a source.
• and You can use Google Translate to translate the titles and content of the sources in Arabic.
• click here to see ali mansour on google. or write ”ali mansour actor” on google. or write ”علي منصور مبادرة” to see ali mansour in arabic on google.
• Thank you. 102.40.55.120 (talk) 12:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Created 28 July, Declined 28 July, Rejected 29 July. Creating editor advised to ask for help at Teahouse, which is why here (above). David notMD (talk) 13:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Note this was posted about again, 10 hours later, below at #anyone can help please. Please don't do that. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Where to begin in expanding an entry (and avoiding conflicts of interest)?

Hello,

I'm working as a strategist for an organization called 'The Munathara Initiative' and I'm being tasked with expanding upon the wikipedia entries of both the organization itself (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Munathara_Initiative) as well as its founder, Belabbes Benkredda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belabbes_Benkredda). I've taken the tour and read some independent articles on how best to expand on articles and avoid conflicts of interest, but I'm wondering more concretely if I should expand upon the entries all at once and insert reliable sources, or whether I should approach this as more of a piecemeal project.

Thanks so much for your help and advice! Mgordner (talk) 13:43, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

You shouldn't make any edits to the articles directly. You should first include a clear declaration of paid editing on your user page, and then as you have a conflict of interest you should use the article's talk page to propose changes. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:48, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Much appreciated, @David Biddulph. What exactly does it mean to declare myself a paid editor on my user page? Does this mean posting "paid editing " at the top of the page? I already state that I am working for Munathara. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgordner (talk • contribs) 14:00, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Needs to be on your User page. Calling yourself a "Senior Strategist" is not clear enough. David notMD (talk) 14:24, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

If you read WP:Paid-contribution disclosure#How to disclose again, it tells you how to do it. Part of that section says "... and to supply a clearly visible list of their paid contributions on their main user page. The template {{paid}} can be used for this.". --David Biddulph (talk) 15:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Making an article about an association

I have made an article about an association which is more than 25 years old in India and still active with prominent computer scientists involved. This article is rejected. How can I make this article more neutral?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ACCS_India Hebbarp (talk) 13:50, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hebbarp, Read the essays Writing better articles - Information style and tone and Neutral point of view. ~ Amkgp 💬 20:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

What is ''?

If i add translations in the articles about places in my country, '' must be added or what? Is that Example or Example? Rdp060707 (talk) 14:19, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Rdp060707 The usual convention is that non-english words are shown in italics like this. Is that what you are asking about? Could you link to an example, please? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:43, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Here is the example, which is from Meycauayan and my own words:

Tagalog: Lungsod ng Meycauayan and Tagalog: Bayan ng Halimbawa

NOTE: This second one is not from a article. Rdp060707 (talk) 14:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Rdp060707 the above from Meycauayan seems perfectly proper and consistent with the guidance at MOS:FOREIGNITALIC which says: Wikipedia uses italics for phrases in other languages and for isolated foreign words that do not yet have everyday use in non-specialized English. Use the native spellings if they use the Latin alphabet (with or without diacritics)—otherwise anglicize their spelling. It is best to use {{lang}} rather than manually adding italic markup. Translations, as opposed to transliterations or untranslated non-English words, may or may not require italics. Does that answer your question? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I will know that. Thank you. Rdp060707 (talk) 04:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Facebook: Using a subject expert's quote (as a secondary/tertiary source)

Hello Teahouse,

Quick question, as the guidance on using Facebook as a source is a little ambiguous. WP:FACEBOOK says: 'As a reliable source: Sometimes (OK to use, under the following conditions): The official page of a subject may be used as a self-published, primary source, but only if it can be authenticated as belonging to the subject. (See Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published sources.)

Now, I'm not trying to use it as a primary source, rather as a secondary, or even tertiary one, in support of the other sources I've provided (and within the body of an article, not to create a new article itself). To be exact, the post is from 'The World's Leading Script Development Company for Writers & Filmmakers' and sent to their 53,000 followers, which quotes the words of an Academy Award nominated scriptwriter (the secondary source), who has described the similarities between a student's work and that of a TV show as 'staggering and non-coincidental'. The student is the primary source. Using the guidance above, it only references that it's sometimes OK to use Facebook as a primary source (which surely means it can be used as a secondary source, afterall primary is about themselves). Following the guidance on verifiability, as a self-published source it would be acceptable as they are clearly subject-expertys, as is the person they are quoting? Advice much appreciated. Thanks, SR SethRuebens (talk) 14:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC) SethRuebens (talk) 14:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, SethRuebens. No, Facebook is never acceptable as a secondary source, because secondary sources must be reliably published; that is, published somewhere that has a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking. If the words of the scriptwriter have been published somewhere reliable, cite that. If they haven't they cannot be cited. --ColinFine (talk) 14:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply ColinFine. The debate is around the reliability of the other secondary sources (self-published from subject experts), which I understand is OK based on WP:SPS, but which is being debated. Just thought that logically a third party, totally unconnected to the second and primary ones, would be acceptable, when that tertiary source is quouting the secondary one about the primary source's work (as convoluted as it seems). Doesn't make sense that they can be included talking about themselves, and not about others. Regards, SR SethRuebens (talk) 15:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

SethRuebens, a SPS is reliable for what the (self-)publisher says they did, including for what they say about others. But it's reliable as a source that they said it about the others (which may or may not be an encyclopaedic claim); it is not a reliable source for the content of what they said. --ColinFine (talk) 16:47, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine thanks. That makes sense. The issue I have is that one of the arguments I'm debating is 'it's just one person's claims that this happened', when clearly it's been supported by multiple subject-expert secondary sources, whose words have been acknowledged in the Facebook post of the tertiary one. I'm just trying to establish that the tertiary source 'said it'. The encyclopaedic claim part is a different part of the argument (although I don't think there's any issue over that, yet!). Many thanks, SR SethRuebens (talk) 17:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I am did a mistake on redirection!

It is gone wrong, Wikipedians, making a redirect (Victor María Regis Nubla Sotto) to Vico Sotto, but it goes to Vic Sotto! The another Sotto is on the last. You need to modify it and correct it so it will go to Vic Sotto. I will listen. Rdp060707 (talk) 14:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Rdp060707, you appear to have created a redirect at Victor María Regis Nubla Sotto Sotto, not Victor María Regis Nubla Sotto. It's not clear to me whether that's also an error that needs correction, but I've fixed the first problem of it pointing to the wrong article (although you could have done that yourself). _signed, Rosguill ^talk 14:52, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Rosguill, i changed my mind. You need to remove (speedy delete) Victor María Regis Nubla Sotto Sotto, and i will make a correct version, goes to the mayor of Pasig. Rdp060707 (talk) 15:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Rdp060707,  Done _signed, Rosguill ^talk 15:17, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Rdp060707 (talk) 04:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

How to remove false information from a wikipedia page

Hi, We would like to remove false information from a wikipedia page. We have tried several times to change the information and the editor Jacona has blocked any further changes. What can we do to stop this false information? Thank you Mulan.christian (talk) 14:54, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey @Mulan.christian:. I'm afraid without information regarding what article you are referring to, and what the problematic content is supposed to be, there is likely very little we can do to help. GMG^talk 14:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Mulan.christian Ther have been no edits other than the above message from this account. Also, who is "we"? Wikipedia accounts should be for the use of one single person, never shared or for use by a gorup, company, or organization. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Jacona do you have any idea what is the subject here? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I can only guess, and not sure that would be productive. But I would venture to guess it's someone who wants to remove reliably sourced information they don't like. Mulan.christian, you will have to be more specific if you want any help.Jacona (talk) 16:17, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

how to change my user name here?

how to change my user name here? ddc (talk) 15:32, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

You asked the same question at WP:Help desk and had an answer there. Please don't waste the time of volunteers by asking the same question in multiple places. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello Dr.dinesh charan and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see Wikipedia:Changing username for full details. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Linking non-existent entry to an existing article

Hello. I wanted to create a page on wikipedia that doesn't exist but I want to create it only as a link to an already existent page on wikipedia. For example a search for Kynast Castle, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:New_user_landing_page&page=Kynast+Castle, should link to Chojnik Castle as it is the same castle just in two different languages, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chojnik_Castle .

Thank you. Aavc86 (talk) 16:38, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

You want to create Kynast Castle as a redirect. See instructions at WP:MAKEREDIR. PAVA11 (talk) 16:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Help with hyperlink to new page and correcting information

Hi, I looked at the page for Biron, WI Biron, Wisconsin and have a couple of questions. First, the statement, "The village was named after Francis X. Biron, a merchant from Galena, Illinois who opened a store in Wisconsin Rapids.[7]" is misleading as Francis Biron spent most of his life in the logging business in the Wisconsin Rapids/Biron area and he was from Quebec, Canada. So, how can I fix this?

Secondly, I'd like to know how add a hyperlink to his name to provide his biography on a different page. I have source information that I got from the library in Biron/Wisconsin Rapids and wasn't sure if I need to link to them or somehow prove that my information is legitimate.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Thank you. Ldicesare57 (talk) 16:51, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ldicesare57 and welcome to the Teahosue.

• As to your first question, do you have a reliable source which supports your statement that Francis Biron spent most of his life in the logging business in the Wisconsin Rapids/Biron area and he was from Quebec, Canada.? If you do, yo0u can simply add this information to the article, citing the source. Or if you are not comfortable doing that, post the information along with the details of your source (and a link if the source is online) to Talk:Biron, Wisconsin. You may ping me to the talk page if you like after you post there.
• Secondly, do not post links to non-Wikipedia page in the body of an article, except as cited sources., Please read Referencing for Beginners to learn how to add source citations. Please read WP:EL to learn about external links and how they may and may not be used.

If you want to create a new Wikipedia page about Francis X. Biron, that is a significant piece of work. Please read Your First Article. I will place additional detailed info on your user talk page. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Talk Page

Hi, how can I create a talk page based on a film, actor, or a subject, like Talk:Sushant Singh Rajput? Thanks! We are the Great (talk) 17:42, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

You cannot at this time, until you reach confirmed status, at least. El_C 17:44, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

El C If you look, you will see that We are the Great is far past being autoconfirmed. Indeed that user has extended-confirmed rights.

We are the Great, simply go to any article page, and click the "talk" tab ("discussion" in some skins I think). If there is no current talk page, you can create one by simply typing and saving. Note that atalk page is for discussing how to improve the article, it is not a general forum to discuss the topic. It is common for one or more project banner templates to be at or near the top o an article talk page. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Ah, I just assumed the article talk page being under semiprotection was the hindrance here. El_C 19:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Problematic info

Just read the entry on Talmudic scholar Jose Faur. The style of the entire article is std. And, as is also std., there is brief info on Faur’s 3 children, no sources given. At the end of the relevant sentence, someone whose first language is not English has provided, in a highly personal, idiosyncratic voice, information about a fourth “secret child.”

Should this portion of the entry be edited into std English? Deleted in it’s entirety? I cannot find public information supporting the claim of a 4th, unacknowledged child. Drsharps53 (talk) 18:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Drsharps53: Thanks for pointing this out - I removed the info, per WP:BLP guidelines about unsourced personal information. Article is José Faur. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:48, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Struck the BLP part - he is apparently no longer alive - I missed that earlier. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:00, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Using copyright images with owner's permission

I would like to understand how to use copyright images for which I have the owner's permission. Where and how should I upload them? Where and how should I cite the owner's permission. Sorry if this is a dumb question but I'm a complete newbie and what I've read so far seems to focus on copyright free images which can be re-used freely by anyone. If I upload an image to Wikimedia Commons I am making it free to use, which it is not. I am working on Draft:John Roberts a page on a very talented sculptor who died young in 2002. Thanks in advance for your help. Humble seeker after wisdom (talk) 18:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey @Humble seeker after wisdom:. Unfortunately, we cannot accept images that have limited permission only for use on Wikipedia. If the owner of the image would like it used on Wikipedia, they will need to release the image into the public domain, or release it under a particular free license. GMG^talk 18:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Humble seeker after wisdom and welcome to the Teahouse. The reasons the various help pages concentrate on image free for every one to use is that images used only "with the owner's permission" are simply not allowed on Wikipedia. Unless the owner's permission amounts to a release under a free license, so that anyone in the world my use or modify the image, for any purpose at all, provided only that proper credit is given, without any further permission or fee required, then Wikipedia considers the image to be "non-free" and allows its use only under a claim of fair use. A permission from the copyright holder "to use this image on Wikipedia only" is simply ignored. Non-free images may be used only if they comply with the non-free content criteria, and if they do comply they may be used even if the copyright owner objects. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:27, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

How do you I stop the Mental Disorder article from constantly being re-edited to equate mental disorders with mental illness, when they are not the same thing?

Dear Teahouse, My name is Dr. Christopher Binetti. I have four non-physical disorders, two or more of them qualify as mental disorders. I am not mentally ill. I do not like the idea that non-disabled people are persuading non-mentally ill people that they are mentally ill when they simply have manageable mental disorders or disabilities. Telling every person with ASD, OCD, or anxiety that they have a mental illness, when it is not true, creates both confusion and more stigma, not less. I face disability discrimination all of the time because of fallacies like this. I am not mentally ill but some able person, I hope that I was an able person, just basically said that I was in denial for refusing to "accept" that I had a mental illness, when I have a mental disorder or disability. There is a real distinction and psychiatrists and psychologists, at least in the US, acknowledge the difference. The mind and the body are not perfectly the same, so that needing medication and therapy does not make you "sick" or "ill". You just manage your disability. Mental illness is very real, believe me, but it is not simply having a mental disorder or mental disability. Able people are imposing the term "mental illness" on everything. This is the cruel side of political correctness. While we all are forced to use the singular they because the term "he or she" offends non-binary people, no one thinks twice of calling a non-mentally ill person "mentally ill" because one has a mental disorder or disability. It is a lack of power on the behalf of disabled people. The truth is that mentally disabled or disordered people are usually not mentally ill. I hope that people stop equating mental disorders with mental illness on the Mental Disorder page and in life. Sincerely, Dr. Christopher Binetti

 Cbinetti (talk) 19:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Cbinetti, Please post this feedback at Talk:Mental disorder to start a discussion there. Please don't keep editing the article without consensus, because this can be seen as edit warring (however well intentioned). Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:53, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Removing a reference is never a good action unless justified (the ref did not apply or replaced with a better ref). Your comment at the article's Talk page is a huge block of text. Perhaps add a succinct recommendation of what you propose to change, with a ref(s) in support of your statement that a mental disorder should not be further defined as a mental illness, especially as there is not a separate article by that name. Lastly, editors using their own condition or situation as part of an argument does not help. David notMD (talk) 20:47, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

When to add a source?

Hello! Apologies if my question is silly, I usually am good with context clues and such, but I'm a bit stumped here. See, I recently edited the page for aquarium fish, and saw that most sections for the fish had no source provided, so I assumed adding one would be cluttering the box when I wrote a section on the penguin tetra. However, my edit was removed quickly for a lack of a source/original research. I'm totally fine with this, I'm just wondering why it wasn't applied to the other fish in the section. If it's because I'm new or not as trustworthy with edits, I understand! I'm pretty new here. Thanks in advance. Chicago Shuffle (talk) 20:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Materialscientist left a comment on your Talk page, so logically, you could post your question on MS's Talk page. I do see that content in the Remarks column is not referenced for other fish. David notMD (talk) 20:55, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

How to reference a "Certificate of Incorporation"?

I am writing my first article, and one of the references I want to use is a "Certificate of Incorporation" from 1928. There is no author, just 15 original members' signatures. I've looked at all the templates and cannot figure out how to make it work.

Most of my other references easily fit into this template:

• "Paris Post 1 to Have Headquarters in New York". The National Legionnaire. Indianapolis, IN: The American Legion. July 1947. Retrieved July 14, 2020. Rick Jones (talk) 20:40, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

  RichardWJones, this isn't responsive to your question, but I'd strongly advise you to read WP:PSTS and WP:N. I looked at User:RichardWJones/sandbox (which I imagine this question may relate to), and I see a whole lot of primary sources. Wikipedia articles should be primarily built on secondary sources, and primary sources should be used with care. Also, primary sources cannot establish that a subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. Before you invest more time in your draft, you may want to seek guidance to make sure that you have identified sufficient secondary sources about Paris Post 1 and that it qualifies for an article. I'll leave the question about citation formatting to others. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:48, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Calliopejen1, Thank you for your comment. I understand why my sources look like primary sources. Paris Post 1 is an American Legion post, and the sources are American Legion publications. That said, they are two different organizations. Paris Post 1 is a stand-alone post in Paris; the American Legion is a national organization in the U.S. The publications in question were neither created nor published by Paris Post 1. That said, I am also on the trail other sources (French and American newspapers, Congressional Records, a few history books) that I hope will fill out the historical record.

Is a "Certificate of Incorporation" a published document? I'm dubious. --ColinFine (talk) 21:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, it may vary by the exact jurisdiction, but they are typically publicly filed, and publicly available for viewing with varied degrees of hassle -- from pulling it up online to going to a distant courthouse. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:52, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, In fact, I found another Wikipedia article that uses the same "Certificate of Incorporation" that I want to use. So I guess that answers the question.

anyone can help please

I'm very sad, 3 Drafts are not accepting because i am ip and not editor, all have sources, And they refuse for the same reasons. Everyone rejects drafts, nobody helps, we try hours, and they easily refuse in seconds. 1-Draft:Sherif Salama, 2- Draft:Napoleon Wal Mahrousa, 3- Draft:Ali Mansour. --41.35.85.111 (talk) 22:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC) 41.35.85.111 (talk) 22:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Note this was posted about 10 hours ago above at #Submit Draft:Ali Mansour. Please don't do that. If you want to add to your previous posting, just edit that section. You have been given lots of feedback on the article page itself regarding notability (and lack thereof) and unsuitability of sources like blogs, interviews, and IMDb. It has nothing to do with you being an IP editor. If others have something to contribute, they will respond in time – we are all volunteers with real lives to attend to. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Source assessment table:
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://elcinema.com/person/2140347/	Independent	Appears to be reliable	Directory entry	✘ No
https://alwafd.news/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%B7%D9%86%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D8%AD%D9%81%D9%89/3025076-%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%8A-%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B5%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%B4%D8%AF-%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%8A-%D9%8A%D8%B7%D9%84%D9%82-%D9%85%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%AF%D8%B1%D8%A9-%D8%A5%D8%B8%D9%87%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%AC%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%84-%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%88%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%84	Largely what the subject said about itself, probbably interview	Appears to be reliable	A few sentences, most by the subject, not even a full paragraph	✘ No
https://www.msr4.com/art-news/%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%8A-%D9%85%D9%86%D8%B5%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%8A%D9%83%D8%B4%D9%81-%D8%B9%D9%86-%D8%AF%D9%88%D8%B1%D9%87-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D9%85%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%84-%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%A8%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%88%D9%86/	Appears to be largely independent	? I'm unsure about the reliability of this website	? More coverage than the last one, but still questionable	? Unknown
https://arabic-media.com/articles/id/posts.php?title=Backstage-filming-of-Saraya-Abdeen-series	Appears to be independent	Probbably reliable	Largely about the film, not the actor	✘ No
https://dhliz.com/artist/ali_mansour/	Appears to be independent	Appeas to be user-editable, at least I saw something like a rate button	Directory entry	✘ No
https://www.dostor.org/2616509	? Apepars to be largely what the subject reported, but I cant say that for sure using google translate	Appears to be reliable	A few paragraphs.	? Unknown
https://akhbarelyom.com/news/newdetails/2878459/1/-%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%8A%D9%83-%D9%8A%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%AF-..-%D9%85%D8%AA%D8%B9%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D9%8A%D9%84%D9%81%D9%8A-%D9%81%D9%8A-%D9%82%D9%84%D8%A8-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B3%D8%A7%D8%AD%D9%84-%D8%B5%D9%88%D8%B1	? Largely stuff by Mansur on His works, Partially reported by the subject	Appaers to be a somewhat reliable source in general	Largely about the place he is, describing the wonderfull nature there	✘ No
https://www.almasryalyoum.com/news/details/1392385	Largely what the subject reported	Appears to be a reliable newspaper		✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EUVGasEHWE	Interview with the subject	? Youtube can be a questionable source, and without language knowledge it hard to determine the reliability	17:20 Minutes	✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgEGrMwC7AM	Interview with the subject	? Youtube can be a questionable source, and without language knowledge it hard to determine the reliability	12:18 Minutes	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Note:I had to use google translate to asses, which makes things rather difficult. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:37, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Template not forming new row in table

Hi I'm basing my table on this example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Table/example_row_template

This is my sandbox: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Dave_F63/sandbox&action=edit

I added my own attempt at a template on the second row: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uknrstn&action=edit

Could you explain why it's not formatting as a separate row? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dave_F63/sandbox Dave F63 (talk) 23:47, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Dave F63: Your template {{Uknrstn}} was missing the leading |- that is used to start a new table row. I added it for you. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:37, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Thank you! That's what comes of staring at the screen for too long. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dave F63 (talk • contribs) 15:45, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Please help: Wisbech

I come to you, in search of brave-hearted editors, of keen mind, fearless and true. Wisbech, (population @ 32K), has been invaded by one sentence, one paragraph factoids. I challenge, nay, I beg you to open the article, and scan through it.

I think I can tackle the Sport section, with its 19! subsections. But I fear I do not have a grasp of the minutiae of 17th-19th century English history, that may be required for other sections.

Any advice or help will be deeply appreciated. As I post, more factoids are being added, by the same editor, F, who has contributed, at last count, 70.7% to the article. What to do??? Thanks, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 00:04, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Fenlandier expanded Wisbech to >200,000 bytes. Quisqualis has since cut it by half. I suppose we will see if all that leads to an edit war. David notMD (talk) 02:15, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

David notMD, thanks for your help with the article. Cheers, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 20:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

How to convince an editor that Romania exists on Simon Belmont

The character of Simon Belmont originated in Transylvania, which is part of Romania, which an anonymous editor thinks does not exist. How do I fix this mistake without breaking the three edit rule? (Oinkers42) (talk) 00:09, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

You may be misunderstanding that editor's edit summary, which admittedly is written in poor English with improper tense usage. I think their point is that this fictional character was supposedly born when Transylvania was indeed part of Hungary (or, technically, the Austro-Hungarian Empire), well before the creation of the country of Romania in 1859.

Having said that, it's not evident to me what this character's ethnicity is supposed to be, so whether categorising him under Category:Fictional Hungarian people is appropriate or not I can't judge. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.132.105 (talk) 00:38, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi (Oinkers42). Not sure how to convince someone that something like a country exists when they insist that it doesn't, but perhaps that's not a relevant issue since the article seems to be about a fictional character who might be living in a fictional world where a country named Romania might possibly not exist. Regardless of whether this is the case, you should try and start a discussion about this at Talk:Simon Belmont and explain the reasons for you edit and see if you're able to establish a consensus in favor of your position because this is a kind of content dispute and content disputes are almost always best resolved through discussion on the article talk page. Edit warring with the IP address will likely only lead to your account being blocked unless you clearly think reverting them again is allowed per WP:3RRNO. Whether the IP is willing to participate in such a discusison is ultimately up to the IP to decide, but their participation isn't needed for one to take place. Once a consensus has been reached, however, the IP will be expected to abide by it or establish a new consensus in favor of their posistion; in other words, they just can't ignore the consensus and do what they want. FWIW, this article has been nominated for deletion and quite a number of editors have commented on it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simon Belmont; so, it probably should be too difficult to find people other than IP willing to discuss this with you on the article's talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

The IP's edit summary is clear and correct, though slightly ungrammatical. At the time of Belmont's (fictitious) life, Romania did not exist as a nation. Describing Simon Belmont as Romanian is absurd. Maproom (talk) 07:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Publishing Problem

Dear support team,

I have no financial stake in promoting the topic I wrote about, meanwhile I cant figure out why my article didn't get accepted to be published.

Thank you for your time Abdelmounimbfs (talk) 03:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Abdelmounimbfs, Draft:Waystocap was declined for the reasons explained at its top. Please read about Wikipedia's concept of notability. To get the draft accepted, you are going to need to cite several reliable independent sources about Waystocap. The draft currently cites none. Articles based on what a representative of the company has said do not qualify as "independent". Maproom (talk) 07:59, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Abdelmouhnimbfs. Please understand that Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything the subject of an article says about itself, or that its associates or representatives say about it. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and have not been prompted or fed information by the subject, have chosed to publish about the subject. An article needs to be based at least 90% on such indepedent sources. --ColinFine (talk) 08:29, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Abdelmounimbfs You don't have to have a "financial stake" to have a conflict of interest, nor do you have to be specifically paid to edit in order to be a paid editor. 331dot (talk) 08:49, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Abdelmouhnimbfs: I was the editor that left the notices on your talk page. The policy on WP:OUTING forbids me from stating my reasons publicly, but I will say that did not do it without reason. If you are working for this company, representing their interests, then you are considered a paid editor. You don't have to be receiving monetary remuneration for this to apply. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:27, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Any Template Editor who help me in fixing a template

Hi editors, hope you are doing well, I recently created a WikiProject namely Wikipedia:WikiProject Chenab Valley and it's template Template: WikiProject Chenab Valley having some issues. When I rate any article related to WikiProject, there is no option rate stub, start, C, B or any specifically to this. Also have lots of other issues which needs to be solved. Kindly check and fix it. Also tell me the solution about other issues. Thank You. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 03:54, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@TheChunky: I'd suggest WT:COUNCIL to reach an audience that might be familiar with the WikiProject templates (or at least point you to where you might find help). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:49, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Is there a way to transclude an article?

Just as you can transclude a user page, {{User:ClueBot NG}}, I'm wondering if you could do the same with an article. 108.30.102.177 (talk) 03:57, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but why would you need to do that? It works like this: {{:Wikipedia}}. Howewer, there is a limit on the size of included pages which might get triggered if you attempt to include large articles. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 04:51, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

In addition to what Victor mentioned above, transcluding an article can also create problems if their are images (particularly non-free images) involved. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:14, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Changing the name of a submitted draft article

Hello. I've submitted a draft article for review and I'm now thinking that I should've named it differently.

The draft is Tulay Goren - in line with other honour killing victims, such as Shafilea Ahmed and Samaira Nazir, I think "Murder of Tulay Goren" would've been more apt. Can it be changed and, if so, how? Or will it break something if it's done now? Thank you. DSQ (talk) 06:08, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

DeltaSnowQueen Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You could leave a note on the draft talk page that you would like the title changed; if it is accepted, the reviewer can change the name when they move it into the main encyclopedia. If they accept it but don't do that, you can request a page move at Requested Moves to change the title after it is moved. 331dot (talk) 07:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you 331dot, much appreciated. I'll try leaving a note for the reviewer. --DSQ (talk) 11:54, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I get an existing image in my article to appear top right?

Wikipedia - best enjoyed with a mug of tea served by one of our Hosts

Sorry for this rather basic question, I've been looking on Help pages for an answer, but not succeeding. I looked at Infoboxes, but not sure that's the answer. If someone could kindly point me in the right direction, I'd be really grateful - thank you! CourtauldGill (talk) 09:01, 4 August 2020 (UTC) 

Hi, CourtauldGill, and welcome to the Teahouse. You were so close but so far! It simply needed a vertical 'pipe' between each of the parameters to make it work. I’ve now fixed it for you. In addition, one parameter was invalid; I’ve changed 'image caption=' to just 'caption='.

The default position for any image is at the right of any section you add it to. So, without using an infobox, you could have placed it immediately before the lead sentence. To force an image to the left, you would have to add "left" into the source code, -between pipe characters.

One little tip is to try using the 'preview button' to check how your edits may look. For complex things like infoboxes I often experiment in my sandbox first. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:08, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks, Nick - really appreciate your kind help. Thank you so much for coming to the rescue!! The article looks so much better now  :-)

CourtauldGill (talk) 10:24, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. A pleasure to be of help. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:06, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Info about Draft : Eugènie Jeanne Devolle

My Draft has not been selected even though I have put a reference and I have a tip to do when you go to the reference. Please Review again. Yours sincerely Science Wiki Guy (talk) 14:10, 4 August 2020 (UTC) Science Wiki Guy (talk) 14:10, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Wiki-Nihaal: Wikis are not reliable sources because the users generate the content. This includes Wikipedia itself. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, I have more references now.Science Wiki Guy (talk) 14:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Wiki-Nihaal: No, geni.com is not reliable for the same reason; the users submit the content. This disqualifies most social media sites. Please also note that notability is not inherited. Just because someone is a relative of a notable person does not make themselves notable. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:54, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Wiki-Nihaal. If you are referring to Draft:Eugènie Jeanne Devolle the ball is firmly in your court. It is quite unacceptable as a new article right now, and needs much, much more work from you, as explained in the rejection notice left by Theroadislong. Which bit of that did you not understand? Please DO NOT resubmit that draft for review until you actually know what needs to go into a new article. Try reading WP:YFA, to start with. Looking at your talk page, you appear to have attempted to create this page with minimal content on three or four past occasions over the last few days, and each has been deleted because they were wholly insufficient as an encyclopaedia page here. There will come a point where, if you keep trying to create this article based on virtually no references and malformed text, you'll be seen as just wasting everyone's time. Take your time - there is no rush. Better to spend weeks or months getting it right than having future page-creation blocked ('salted') for time wasting. (I feel we might be getting close to that point, which would be a real shame) Just remember, you cannot use any 'user-generated' page (like other wikis and genealogical sites) as a reference to prove notability. You need to stop and search for proper books, magazine or journals which go into depth about the person, and appreciate that 'Notability is not inherited'. The parent of a notable person doesn't automatically deserve a page of their own - it's up to you to find in-depth sources which prove they're notable in their own right. Notability doesn't just mean you provide a few links to show when she was born and died, or who her kids were. Please read Wikipedia:Competence is required to appreciate some of the concerns I have over your approach to contributing here. Slow down, and perhaps you should give The Wikipedia Adventure tour a go. There are 15 badges to collect as you learn the basics of editing. RegardsNick Moyes (talk) 15:07, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Wiki-Nihaal: One thing that anyone writing an article about a subject should do is to look for existing articles in the encyclopaedia that demonstrate what a proper article is supposed to look like. For example, in this case, if Eugènie Jeanne Devolle is supposed to be notable as a fashion designer, you might compare your article draft with Coco Chanel. Do you see the differences? Nobody expects you to start out with a complete article like this, of course, but it should at least have the "bones" of an article (sections, at least some prose written in English sentences, references, etc.). This is, of course, after you have resolved the notability issue addressed by others above (i.e., three or more published, reliable, independent sources with in-depth coverage of her). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:11, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

how can i help Wikipedia without donating money ?

 2409:4043:2B8D:98BD:2998:7F41:C96B:A803 (talk) 15:44, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. There are lots of ways to help out, and nobody needs to give money to make a useful contribution! I have left a welcome message for you here, with a suggestion to create an account (though that's not an essential requirement), plus a couple of links to get you started. It's always a good idea to start slowly, learning the right way to make contributions. Taking out interactive tour The Wikipedia Adventure is a great way to collect 15 badges to show you've understood how things work. Starting with little fixes to one or two of our 6,000,000+ articles is the best way. Maybe find topics you're interested in and look for spelling or grammar fixes you can make. Or perhaps add a supporting reference (see this guide on adding sources to statement. If you're stuck for ideas, visit Wikipedia:Community portal where there are links to a range of ways to help out. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 16:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Norwegian/english references and ORG/NO wiki-link challnges

Hey! Im working on an English page, but some of the references are only in Norwagian. Is it possible to show/make it clear that the NO links do not exist in EN-version?

Also I have trouble putting in the NO and ORG wiki-links in the text. It says the wikipage does not exist although it does. Any tips on how to fix this?

Ex. on links that appear as non-existant when I try to add them in the text: Royal Ballet School: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Ballet_School

Norsk Scenekunst: https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norsk_scenekunstbruk

Thanks in advance. Best, May MaySundAnd (talk) 15:46, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, MaySundAnd. If you use the template {{ill}}, it creates a redlink to the non-existent English article, and a link labelled "no" to the no-wiki article; but if somebody creates the English article, it will silently change to point to that. So {{ill|Norsk scenekunstbruk|no}} displays as Norsk scenekunstbruk. --ColinFine (talk) 16:30, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Page naming within a topic (slavery in agriculture)

Hello Tea friends,

I'd like to ask about page naming for new pages about slavery. I am looking to draft a page about slavery in agriculture, but industry specific or linked with particular item grown (e.g. coffee, berries, etc.). Is there a preferred naming system, e.g. "Slavery in coffee industry", or any other parameters like this?

I saw that there is the Slavery Category, and it has "Slavery by location/type". But this doesn't quite fit as some of these issues are global, and type doesn't apply as that is around bonded-, etc.

Thank you so much for your time and advice! SunnyBoi (talk) 17:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata question, request for help

Hi, I think https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q784160 and https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q20243210 are the same person, but there are separate VIAF IDs. I therefore am hesitant to merge the two. Can you direct me to the correct forum for assistance on this? The reason I would like to merge the two is because there is an article in English for Marie Schnür, which I think should have a redirect from Maria Marc. Also I would appreciate confirmation that this is the same person. Thank you! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:18, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@WomenArtistUpdates:, Not sure if that is the same person. For other queries, since Wikidata is a separate project the Project chat there should be of assistance.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:24, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks ThatMontrealIP, I'll move my question over there. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:27, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

How does one publish a legitimate biography page for Wikipedia?

A fan of mine spent quite some time looking up resources and creating a Wikipedia page about me and my career and the many books I've written on the art of magic. He sent it to me to proof and then upload in case I wanted to make changes. Obviously, this is not how things are normally done here because I was told the page would most likely be taken down. The information is correct. It is all verifiable. How does he or I proceed in uploading this?

Jim 2605:6000:1500:CF8D:FD0E:4FB8:BB09:8DDF (talk) 20:28, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I would note that Wikipedia does not have mere "pages"; it has articles. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability(in this case, the definition of a notable person). "Significant coverage" goes beyond brief mentions, interviews with the subject, routine announcements, name drops, or other primary sources. Wikipedia is not interested in what an article subject wants to say about themselves, only in what others completely unconnected with them say about them. Typically an article subject has no say into whether or not an article exists about them, it all depends on the sources.

Autobiographical articles, while not forbidden, are strongly discouraged per the autobiography policy, as people naturally write favorably about themselves, and Wikipedia tries to have a neutral point of view. If someone has approached you with what they want to write about you, they would have a conflict of interest that they would need to declare. They should avoid directly creating such an article, but instead may submit a draft using Articles for Creation. 331dot (talk) 20:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Problem creating article

SAME WITH ME!!! THEY KEEP BLOCKING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO CREATE THE PAGE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lonsafko (talk • contribs) 21:13, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Please dont write in all capital letters. It's considered shouting and will definitely not help you cause. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 21:28, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Please not, both the IP user and Lonsafko, that a Wikipedia article about you is absolutely not for your benefit. If there is an article, and it says what you approve of, that is fortunate for you; but Wikipedia is not interested in whether or not you want there to be an article about you, and if there is, Wikipedia is not interested in what you would like the article to say. It is interested only in what people who have no connection with you, and not prompted or fed information from you, have chosen to publish about you in reliable places. If there is enough such independent published material, Wikipedia would like to have an article about you, whether you approve of it or not; and if there is not, Wikipedia will not host an article on you. --ColinFine (talk) 21:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

How should the name of this bar be written on Wikipedia?

There's a bar here in Richmond (started and owned by the band GWAR) called GWARbar. That's the way the name is spelled outside, on the menus, everywhere. When I search google news for gwarbar, I get this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=gwarbar&client=opera&hs=T3i&sxsrf=ALeKk00ZTnMxYAY8njB40Sxk91VvhRF0Ew:1596560363602&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjtt9bqgoLrAhWRlXIEHVxDBY0Q_AUoBHoECBUQBg&biw=1091&bih=689

Every single news article types it as GWARbar. So, is that the way it should look in the GWAR article? In loco parenti (talk) 20:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

It was previously suggested that In loco parenti read MOS:TMRULES concerning using capitalization in trademarked names which gives the band, Kiss, and the company, Sony, as two examples. NJZombie (talk) 21:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@In loco parenti: This is apparently about the name of the section Gwar#GWARbar. There was a short discussion regarding the capitalization of Gwar 13 years ago at Talk:Gwar/Archive 1#Name. Perhaps there is more evidence one way or the other since then. Discussion regarding the name should be at Talk:Gwar. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:06, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Add Content To My Page If It Isn't Already On The Web?

I have been trying since 2007 to complete my Wiki page. The editors keep denying all of my content because they say it is autobiographical or cannot be substantiate on the web. Most of my accomplishments were in the 1980's and 90's.

Someone even volunteered to finish the page after researching every item and was still stopped and eventually had their account closed.

How can I complete my page??? Lonsafko (talk) 21:10, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Lonsafko: First of all, it's neither your article nor your page. The definition of page is anything that can be edited onwiki, such as the Teahouse, where you are currently at. It's Wikipedia's page about you. Wikipedia:FAQ/Article subjects may already give some advice. verifyability is one of the core principles of Wikipedia. Sources don't need to be online, but they should be independent of the subject and have some reliability. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 21:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Im new and I want to add a pitcher in my sand box can you help?

Kepler-452b artist concept (you can change the caption if you wish.)

Im new and I want to add a pitcher in my sand box can you help? GGGGopie (talk) 21:44, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, GGGGopie and welcome to Wikipedia and to the Teahouse. I've added this picture to your sandbox. It's from Wikimedia Commons, where each image has a "Use this file" link next to a 'W' icon for using it on Wikipedia. Copy/paste the text that displays into your sandbox, just as I've done. You can change the caption if you wish. Just one word of advice: there's no point trying to create a new article for one that already exists (such as the page entitled Kepler-452b)- but maybe that's not why you wanted it. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:01, 4 August 2020 (UTC)