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Including an artist's real name in an article (when it's claimed they do not the name in the public sphere)

It is claimed Mxmtoon doesn't want her real name in the public sphere. However, her name has been published by at least one source. Is there any Wikipedia policy to help decide? See discussion at Talk:Mxmtoon Jonpatterns (talk) 07:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC) Jonpatterns (talk) 07:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jonpatterns. My immediate question is how do we know that she wants her name to be kept private? I can't get to the bottom of that from reading the talk page comments. If the subject of the article has communicated this to an editor, then it might be a good idea for her to be advised to contact OTRS (Wikipedia:Contact us) so that the issue can be discussed privately between her and the OTRS team. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:25, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia uses the most common name for a subject. If the person's stage real name is only in one or a few sources, and vast majority use their stage name, it may be possible to keep their real name out. I would suggest following Cordless Larry's suggestion. 331dot (talk) 08:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Shadow Warrior

Header inserted by ColinFine (talk) 09:28, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Kiyomi the sunshine (talk) 08:29, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I found this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Warrior which has many sections empty. how much info should I collect from main article. a summary would be enough I guess.Kiyomi the sunshine (talk) 08:29, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kiyomi the sunshine. Welcome to the Teahouse, and thanks for wanting to improve Wikipedia. (I added a header to your question). I'm not sure there's any need for those sections in the first place, since they link to the main articles: there might as well be just a list of links. Far more valuable would be finding some reliable, independent sources which discuss the series (not just the individual games) in some depth - without such sources, the series will fail notability. --ColinFine (talk) 09:33, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

How to my article page in Vietnamese language to English

Dear sir / madam, unknowingly my article page is in Vietnamese language, please help to me , made English as the article page. Msgouda2412 (talk) 13:05, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Msgouda2412, can you please elaborate? What is your article? — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 13:50, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Do not "fix" redirects - please clarify my assumptions

after WP:NOTBROKEN, i have made some assumptions, please say yes or no

  • dont change interwiki redirects
  • dont change http -> https in hyperlinks in references or notes ... if there are no other changes in article
  • do not change error 302, if there are no other changes in article
  • change errors 301 or 302 along with other changes [ frequent changes made by me : removing www in website, adding archive date and hyperlink in case of 404 error, removing non existent interwiki links in article, adding missing authority control, etc..] Leela52452 (talk) 07:23, 15 April 2020 (UTC) any OTHER suggestion or critique is preferred here
Don't change interwiki redirects. Green tickY Unless the link doesn't make sense in its current state, avoid changing them
Don't change HTTP → HTTPS in hyperlinks in references or notes... Red XN If there is a HTTPS link available, you should always try changing it to that.
Do not change error 302. Green tickY I think you're confused. 302 means the page has been successfully found, so you should leave it like that without a doubt.
Change errors 301 or 302 along with other changes (frequent changes made by me: removing www in a website, adding archive date and hyperlink in case of 404 error, removing non-existent interwiki links in an article, adding missing authority control, etc..) Green tickY If you have a page redirecting, like in a 301, change it to the final page. All of the things you said in the parentheses are correct.
Hope this helps! — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 14:07, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Sourcing question

Hallo, I am trying to improve Carlo Masi bio as it has been selected for deletion. He was a porn actor so sourcing is one of the hardest thing. I would like to mention that he appeared in many calendars (often on the cover) and there is a lot of merchandise after him. Do you think there is anyway I can source this? is for example amazon.com a possible source? After all any source that shows the cover would do, am I wrong? thank you for helping. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 11:03, 15 April 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 11:03, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey, generally, you don't need to mention merchandise in Wikipedia articles. Regarding using Amazon reviews as sources, per WP:RSPSOURCES, Amazon is not a reliable source and is not to be used. Hope this helps. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 13:54, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Berrely Hallo, thank you for your answer. I was considering mentioning calendars and merchandising after Carlo Masi because some one questions his notability so I thought that being on the cover of a lot of calendars and having a vaste merchandise after you could be a rafforzative for his notability. Anyway, I guess it was a bod idea than. thank you --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 14:14, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Help regarding reporting

Not an issue for Teahouse/Questions. Referred elsewhere
 – WP:DISPUTE for content disputes, WP:AN/I for behavioural disputes.

hello, i want to report a user for constantly removing translations of names and adding his own country's language's names instead because of his bias, and he doesn't seem to give up after mulitple discussions on talk pages. How do I report him? Through Wikipedia email? CuriousGolden (talk) 13:20, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

CuriousGolden: you seem to be involved in a content dispute with HistoryofIran. Content disputes aren't handled by reporting users you disagree with, but by following the procedures at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. In case you ever do have an actual behavioural issue that needs to be reported, you can use WP:AN/I. However, note that your behaviour will be examined too if you do so! --MrClog (talk) 13:31, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
User is continiously adding anachronistic and/or revisionism names to the lede of articles. Nothing to see here, he will most likely get banned like many other users before him. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:32, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
You're aware that you're removing Azerbaijani names from Azerbaijani empires and Turkic names from Turkic empires and putting Persian instead? We'll see who'll be the one to get banned first CuriousGolden (talk)
I'm removing names (mainly added by you) that were never used under those Turkic empires (not Azerbaijani as you claim in a revisionism way), hence anachronistic. I haven't added any Persian name instead, and even if I did, I'm sure it was justified. Go on, report me if you're so sure of that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:24, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
HistoryofIran and CuriousGolden, can we please keep this civilised and not argue with each other on the Teahouse page. I suggest taking this to another respective talk page. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 14:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Carl Andreas Göpfert, 1768-1818

Could this be added? It is from the Newspaper Åbo Allmänna Tidning, Turku, Finland Nov. 20 1817, page 4. Nästkommande Söndag den 23 November uppföres, med benäget biträde af Herrar Amatörer, till förmon för Herr Goepffert från St. Petersburg, en fullstämmig Vocal- och Instrumental-Concert, uti Societets-Husets stora Sal, hwartill Billetter à 2 Rub. B:co Assign. stycket försäljas hos Källarmästaren derstädes samt hos Mamsell Wahlund. De Piecer som komma att exequeras, blifwa genom Afficher kungjorda. [ÅAT 20.11.1817, s. 4]. On Sunday next, the 23rd of November, shall be performed, with the kind assistance of "Herrar Amatörer" [the orchestra Gentelmen Amateurs] to the benefit of Mr. Göpfert [coming] from St. Petersburg, a complete vocal and instrumental concert, in the grand hall of the Society House, to which tickets are sold at 2 Rubels a piece by the restaurateur on the spot as well as by Mademoisell [Christina] Wahlund. The music to be performed shall be announced by posters. 91.159.202.73 (talk) 14:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC) Carsten Bregenhoej 91.159.202.73 (talk) 14:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC) Helsinki Finland

ref: from the Newspaper Åbo Allmänna Tidning, Turku, Finland Nov. 20 1817, page 4.

Hello IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. The entire text of the notice (as fantastic as it is – De Piecer som komma att exequeras, blifwa genom Afficher kungjorda – that's beautiful in so many ways!) shouldn't be added to the article, but I think it can be used as a source. Add a reference (see this information) with the information you have listed above – title, date, and page. Nice find! --bonadea contributions talk 14:46, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

The page ... has been reviewd.

Hello, From time to time I've received notices that state 'The page [name of page] has been reviewed. When I look at the watchlist I can see (Page curation log) time, name of user, and marked [name of article] as reviewed (Tag: PageTriage). For some time now I've been curious of the meaning of this. I can not see any tags on the articles. Thank you! LorriBrown (talk) 21:08, 12 April 2020 (UTC) LorriBrown (talk) 21:08, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

LorriBrown, this has to do with curating new pages. This is done with new page reviewers who use the tool to evaluate new pages and lets them improve it, suggest improvements to it, nominate it for deletion, among other things. If you would like more info refer to Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 22:40, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
Tenryuu Thank you I appreciate this information! Best, LorriBrown (talk) 01:19, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
LorriBrown, it also means that the article has been released for indexing by search engines. Any article that you have created doesn't show up on google search before it is marked as reviewed. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:43, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Usedtobecool, Thank you this is very good to know! :-) Best, LorriBrown (talk) 14:47, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Usedtobecool, on that note, is there a way to review a page but suppress search engine indexing on it? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Tenryuu, I know no better than is at WP:NOINDEX. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Usedtobecool, thanks for the link. One of my user subpages got reviewed so I assumed it's been indexed, though according to that page it seems like reviewing does not index user pages. Cheers! Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:58, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Tenryuu, that's correct. Unfortunately, commons, mediawiki and simple wikipedia results apparently don't do that; so engines throw my userpages from two of those every time I check. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:54, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Edit exisiting page or create a new one?

This page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Logic_Factory contains information about a former game development company, which doesn't exist anymore. Yet in 2007 a Dutch software development company, called The Logic Factory, was founded. In the meantime this software development company has grown to an international company, with over 100 employees and offices in the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, India and the United States of America.

Currently I am investigating the possibility to create a Wikipedia page for them, but now I am wondering wether the existing page of The Logic Factory should be modified or if a new page should be created for it. Anyone any suggestions? Pieter van der Wulp (talk) 14:09, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Pieter van der Wulp, you might want to consider moving The Logic Factory to something similar to "The Logic Factory (defunct company) and then calling the new page "The Logic Factory (2007–present)" — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 14:30, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Pieter van der Wulp, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that I disagree wtih Berrely's advice. If the current company is notable (in Wikipedia's special sense), then somebody could create an article about them (rather than a "page for them"), and if somebody does, the existing article should probably be moved to a different title: probably "The Logic Factory (game company)". But until such an article is written (assuming one can be written), the policy on article titles says the that title should not be changed. If you chose to write an article about the current company, I would advise you to use articles for creation to create a draft; and when the draft is submitted and accepted, the accepting reviewer will sort out the naming. --ColinFine (talk) 16:08, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Getting notification from actions (like reply to your post)

Can I get notification from replying and when someone revert my changes? in the replying they often misspell my username can I do something about it? Thanks in advance – Erfan Talk☻ 09:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Et0zl! You should get a notification if someone reverts you, but it depends on how they did it. If the one who replied to you didn't WP:PING you, you won't get a notification, but looking at your Help:Watchlist can help. Or your edithistory, [1]. If it doesn't say "current", someone has edited the page after you (not that helpful on high-traffic pages like this one). Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:09, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Yes, Thanks a lot – Erfan Talk☻ 10:30, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
@Et0zl: you can hardly blame other users for mispelliing your username when you've chosen to display a different name in your signature than your actual username! You also fail to link to your user page, which might have helped, as well. These are two things you could definitely do something about.  Nick Moyes (talk) 10:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Nick Moyes I don't blame anyone, My point is this is happening and what can I do about it. Thanks for your help – Erfan Talk☻ 10:59, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Well 'blame' might not have been the best word I could have used, but I have offered you an additional suggestion for something you can do actually do to address the issue, over and above the advice already given you. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:05, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Gråbergs Gråa Sång, not sure if I adjusted some setting or not, but I do get an alert when someone reverts my edits; maybe it has to do with manually reverting instead of clicking "undo" on diffs? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:41, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
That's what I meant, yes. If I "revert" your edit by just deleting it with a normal edit of my own, you won't get a ping. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:25, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

A page about me

Sonal Jindal Business Woman (talk) 14:39, 15 April 2020 (UTC)


Please help me how to start my wikipedia ? Sonal Jindal Business Woman (talk) 14:39, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Sonal Jindal Business Woman, please don't. We strongly discourage writting autobiographies. It is very difficult to do this whilst following policies:
  • Articles are based upon what reliable published sources say about something - this means you have to completely forget everything not in those sources, not easy.
  • Articles are neutrally written - obviously in your interest to have a positive article about yourself, but this isn't neutral.
  • Articles need to be about notable subjects - it is difficult to determine if you are notable yourself.
Ultimately, we aren't somewhere to promote yourself. If you are notable enough to have an article, someone will come and write one in time. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 15:32, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank You for your input. Sonal Jindal Business Woman (talk) 16:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Incorrect citations

 – Heading created by Tenryuu.

I removed several incorrect citations on the Settlement Schools wiki page. I am the manager of the collection cited and the citations removed point to materials that our collection does not have. These materials were removed prior to 2012 and we do not know where they are. Please do not undo my edits - we keep getting requests for this material that is not available. MountainDogTime (talk) 15:52, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

This must be about Settlement school. You have removed some references, presumably because the links no longer work. That is not an adequate reason for removing them. It would be better to fix the links, perhaps by providing an alternative source such as the Wayback Machine. Maproom (talk) 18:57, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
So, MountainDogTime, these are photograph albums that are no longer in the University's library collection? I wonder whether the Description from the old catalog record can qualify as a source in itself?
As a convenience to other readers, here's an example of what one of the ref's pointed to. Another is only archived as a 404 page.
I would hope, as a librarian or library manager, that you would value preserving information. Your last edit appears to have removed some content in addition to the ref's.
Would it be acceptable to retain the citations but include a note that the materials went missing in 2012 and their current location is unknown? That could be sufficient to reduce the quantity of enquiries that you're receiving.
I suggest taking this discussion to Talk:Settlement school, so that it will be available to readers of the article.
Regards, Pelagic (talk) 18:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
MountainDogTime, I'm afraid that even dead references need to be kept. Even a dead reference establishes that such material did exist at point. Even if your organization no longer has that info, it still exists (or did exist) somewhere. The references should be tagged, perhaps using Template:Dead link. That way the sources can be updated if possible. Even better would be to find copies of the material and update the citations. But they cannot just be removed for being dead, as they still support information. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 18:59, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

New editor

 – Heading created by Tenryuu.

Hi! I am new to Wikipedia so I would like to ask a question about editing. Where could I find a button that leads me to an article that needs editing. Thanks.Respectfully, OPEDITS (talk) 19:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@OPEDITS: Thank you for your interest in improving Wikipedia. The community portal has some articles sorted by what needs to be done on them in the "Help out" section. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:45, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Page of an Indian Cybersecurity Expert rejected

 Courtesy link: Draft:Rahul Sasi

I have submitted about an Indian Cybersecurity expert and a well renowed Infosec speaker who has travelled across 14 countries and gave speaches. He has tons of News sources citing his works. Yet it failed the review. Kindly help me where it went wrong ? SahilZAC (talk) 21:49, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

SahilZAC, welcome to the Teahouse. Reading AngusWOOF's comment it seems that he would prefer your best three sources to consider for the review. I suggest leaving a message on his talk page or on the draft's talk page to start a correspondence with him. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 22:04, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
SahilZAC. I've only looked at a couple of the sources, but: the first one is a mere mention, and the third one is partly by him, not about him. Neither of these contributes towards his notability. Have a look at WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 09:12, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
ColinFine Can i know which are these sources.? Plenty of news sources have covered his research. I will remove the source which was written by him. Are we looking mainly on links in the infocards ?
courtesy ping ColinFine; mention without signature^^ Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:56, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
SahilZAC. I have no idea what "links in the infocards" means. What about CSMN do you not understand? And, pinging doesn't work unless you sign the post. Thanks, Usedtobecool --ColinFine (talk) 21:10, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Music Notability

Hello! I am addressing Draft:Droeloe, an article that I wrote. It was taken down today because the topic was deemed "not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia", and I would like to discuss the notability that I have found after reviewing Wikipedia:Notability (music). JessFranborough (talk) 03:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

JessFranborough, that draft cites 92 references. No sane reviewer is going to check all of them. The first few do nothing to establish that the subject is notable. If you believe that there are sources that establish notability, please list three or four such sources here. Maproom (talk) 07:33, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
References 15-78, which all confirm that songs exist, contribute nothing to the requirement of establishing notability. Per Maproom's request, can you list here at least three of the 'references' that are at-length content about Droeloe. P.S. I deleted the list of events (and those references), because that does not contribute to notability. David notMD (talk) 10:31, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello Maproom and David notMD! My apologies, for Droeloe’s discography I cited the songs and added links because I saw other musicians do this on their pages and thought it may be a good idea. I can delete all of those links. I had forgotten to put in this article that Droeloe’s song "Jump" was featured in an Apple Inc. advertisement. This means that Droeloe fulfills criteria number 10 on the list of Criteria for musicians and ensembles on Wikipedia:Notability (music). I just updated the Droeloe article with the Apple Inc. ad information. Here are links to the advertisement information if you would like to see here:

In addition per your request, here are some references that are notable about Droeloe:

JessFranborough (talk) 03:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
JessFranborough, you've listed six sources. I've reformatted them, to make them easier to identify.
The first three don't discuss the subject at all, and the third is from Facebook, which is not a reliable source. The fourth is based on an interview, and so not independent of the subject. The fifth and sixth do appear to me to contribute to establishing that the subject is notable. If you can find a couple more sources like the last two, and get rid of all the others, you should be able to get the draft accepted. Maproom (talk) 10:50, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi Maproom. The first three sources that I listed were links to the information about the advertisement Droeloe participated in, not part of the reliable sources that you asked for. I didn't mean to confuse you. Here are a couple more source that will prove Droeloe's notability. Thank you!
JessFranborough (talk) 21:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Apostolic Movement

Please. Can someone help me to improve the Draft:Apostolic Movement to create a new article on Wikipedia? Thanks Progettistauniversale (talk) 13:18, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Teahouse volunteers primarily answer questions on how to, but do not directly help edit articles (unless they are so moved). The draft has been declined twice, each time with the reviewer providing guidance. David notMD (talk) 22:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

How to update an article

Hi there. I am John Simley -- the communications director for UOP LLC. The entry for our business on Wikipedia is pretty out of date, containing technologies we no longer offer while missing others we have offered for years or decades. It also differs appreciably from how we describe the business to customers and investors in Honeywell (our parent company). How do we go about correcting these issues? 199.64.6.155 (talk) 14:29, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey John Simley, welcome to the teahouse! I suggest you read Wikipedia:Edit requests and continue from there. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 14:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
What that means is that after you register an account and acknowledge on your User page the nature of your paid relationship to UOP LLC, you should not make direct edits to the article. Instead, you should specify the changes on the Talk page of the article (as in, in section ___ the wording and ref is ____ and the wording and ref should be changed to _____. Then, an unconnected editor will review the proposed change and either implement or decline. Given low traffic on the Talk page (last entry 2012!!!) there is a process for asking for evaluation of proposed changes. David notMD (talk) 22:09, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Ready to create an article on the topic "Jalen McMillan"

I recently came across a music playlist from 'Jalen McMillan' but I realised Wikipedia has no article on him even tho his news sources prove his notability. In an attempt to add his details to Wikipedia, I noticed his page is currently protected so that only administrators can create it. I will like to urge any administrator here to add a stub of which I am ready to develop it into a full article. Kindly refer to https://www.fabworldtoday.com/a-sure-fire-superstar-jalen-mcmillan-rapper-bio-music-networth/ or https://www.google.com/search?q=Jalen+McMillan+Musician&safe=active&hl=en-NG&sxsrf=ALeKk018NIvhNzv4R1scZCAL1wKnqOC_gA:1586981828697&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJ9qeBoOvoAhVgTRUIHUkeBgkQ_AUoAnoECBgQBA&biw=1366&bih=663 Geezygee (talk) 20:30, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Geezygee, Taking a look at those sources, I'm not sure if they prove notability. The Fabworld source doesn't seem reliable, its one of those clickbaity "stars net worth" type deals. The list of google news articles has just a few press release/blogs, and then results about a football player of the same name. You'll need to find some more solid sources if you think he deserves an article. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 21:21, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓, in my search, I came across this articles too:

Geezygee, IMDb is not a reliable source. The huffingpost.ga is a sneaky trap: its meant to look like its from the Huffington Post, but it is in fact just a site to put promo material on. Very cheeky. Daily music roll is also native advertising, meant to look legit but is in fact just a promo website. Same for Ustimesnow. Platinum indies is a wordpress blog. His insta and facebook are not reliable sources. So, alas, none of those sources are suffucient. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 21:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓, thanks Geezygee (talk) 21:52, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Again CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓, seen similar issue with this Ghanaian award-winning rapper 'Flowking Stone' . Kindly see this https://www.google.com/search?q=flowking+stone&safe=active&rlz=1C1CHWL_enGH822GH822&sxsrf=ALeKk00093Qo3tCpVof5E-PMN7lyYugICQ:1586987649212&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi7huDYtevoAhUitnEKHWI0C6AQ_AUoA3oECBUQBQ&biw=1366&bih=663 Geezygee (talk) 21:56, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Geezygee, He could be notable, but its marginal at best. With any of these types of folks, it takes a solid understanding of notability policy and the reliability of sources to figure out who should get an article. Creating an article from scratch is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia.CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 22:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
@Geezygee: If you feel that the subject is notable, then go to WP:YFA and there are instructions and a wizard there to help you create a draft for review. RudolfRed (talk) 00:45, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Appropriate template

A recent pair of edits removed all content from a 2011/2012 stub. I wonder if there is an appropriate template simular to {{BLP sources}} that would be appropriate. See Bioscience Resource Project. Seems {{stub}} is too little. —¿philoserf? (talk) 21:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Do you mean that you think it should be Start? Or that it is so short it is a Stubbed Stub?? And yes, a 90% reduction in length of a ten year old article is impressive. David notMD (talk) 22:26, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
David notMD, Oh. It is a stub. I was hoping there was a template like {{citations needed}} to encourage some editorial reader to expand the thing. —¿philoserf? (talk) 22:30, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Averaging fewer than ten visits per day and no watchers, so I think it stays a stub regardless of how tagged. David notMD (talk) 00:48, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Too much celebrative bios

Hallo, I am working on a porn actor bio and I bumped into François Sagat bio. I find it way too celebrative (promotional) and also full of insignificant details. Let me give you some examples :

  • "He has appeared at times as a fashion model" this is a significant achievement for a porn actor and it should be sourced and also which model agency did he work for?.plus, hard to believe since he is 1.73 m (5 ft 8 in) (may be photo model?, guess star?)
  • "Since childhood, Sagat had been fascinated by fashion and passionate about drawing" is this wikipedia or his secret diary where he writes his dream?
  • "It became an instant success" I call "celebrative".
  • "His film François Sagat's Incubus was released in two parts, with part one released in December 2011 and part two in March 2012. On his blog, Sagat recounted the making of the film in clips he shot on set" isn't it too much information? it is a porn movie not gone with the wind.
  • "Sagat released a short 13-second shot in black and white video standing in front of the Disney Magic Kingdom saying: "Hello, I'm Franços Sagat"" wow, and what did he eat that day?
  • "he appeared in the role of a male addict" if you don't have a line is it still called a role (this is an english language question)?
  • "In a recent interview he explained that his hair began to thin out " often part of his interviews are reported. I counted 3 times so far and I am still at the beginning. and there is an whole paragraph that basically describes each tatoo he has.
  • "Public awareness" this all paragraph is entirely not sourced.
  • "Sagat keeps an active blog,[24] where he explores his creativity in diverse and intimate ways, showing in addition to promotional materials, his art work, intimate looks into his personal life, video takes on various topics, and personal renditions of favorite lyrics from chosen songs." is this wikipedia or Sagat press agent?
  • "In March 2012, he launched a musical project entitled Hadès with Sylvia Gobbel, a muse of the late photographer Helmut Newton. Hadès is directed by French Photographic Heritage-awarded Franck Glenisson with symphonic music arranged by Hedayat. The project incorporates a song, a film and 16 erotic photographs of Gobbel and Sagat. The music video debuted in March 2011. Since 2013, Sagat announced his own on-line clothing brand of streetwear, sportswear, underwear and accessories named KICKSAGAT in association with workpartner PH. Sagat did all the designing." it sounds like he is dropping names weakly related to him. no sources. i read something about it and I remember his involvement was having one of his picture displayed (i can check and source it).
  • "When in Brazil, Sagat told of his desire to be in a serious relationship. Asked if he had relationships with someone from work, Sagat said "No. I had an actor in Paris that I really liked and so. But the fact that we had already worked together broke the magic." again? do we report also what a porn actor said?
  • "When acting in films, the actor said that he prefers to be top, it feels more comfortable that way. In personal life he enjoys both top and bottom, saying that he is obsessed with asses".

plus there are way too many pictures making the bio appear to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia

he is definitely wikipedia materia but more than half of the page should be deleted and some sources added. is it something I should do my self or should I discuss somewhere before? what is the best thing to do?

Plus I didn't go through the sources yet. But this is my point of view: if you are a porn actor and you say you did a show in a disco sourcing is not important, but if you say you had a role in an important movie the source must be very good.

thank you --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 18:59, 15 April 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 18:59, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey, Howdy hello and welcome to the Teahouse! My advice to you: WP:SOFIXIT. You have identified valid concerns, so go ahead and remedy them! Thats the spirit of Wikipedia -- you don't generally need to ask permission to fix something, you can go ahead and do it yourself. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 19:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
CaptainEek my main concern is that I will have to delete more than half of the bio. I know it can be rolled back but I don't want to upset anybody --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 19:04, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
AlejandroLeloirRey, Well perhaps not delete everything, but copyedit. And delete if necessary. Just because content exists in an article doesn't mean its good or should stay. Fluff should be cut down when found. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 19:11, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
CaptainEek hallo, i have an english language problem. Sagat appeared in saw vi for about 2 seconds and didn't have a line, he was in a room with among people waiting for something. ow would you call that? an extra? would you say he did an appearance? at the moment it says "appeared in the role of a male addict in Saw VI." doesn't it sounds way more than 2-3 seconds on the screen? is even worthy mentioning? i searched for sources to see if it was somehow significant or recognized and apart from him saying that he had a "role" in the movie I couldn't find anything --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 20:15, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
AlejandroLeloirRey, I would call that a "cameo". CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 21:17, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
CaptainEek a Cameo isn't it when a celebrity makes a small part but is recognizable in that part and recognized in the titles for that part? --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 21:22, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
AlejandroLeloirRey, You could say that he made an uncredited cameo as an extra? CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 21:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
CaptainEek the problem here is that to him it was something huge, and I understand it, but as a metter of fact is not even worthy of mention. it is repeted 3 times. one at the beginning, once when he tells of his career as a non pornographic actor and once when he gives the list of the non pornographic movie he did. I am not sure how to act.--AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 21:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey, Since it is unsourced, I would remove it all together unless a source could be found. And even then, I would mention it only once. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 21:49, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek do we need a source? its a movie and I watched it, i know he is in there... for a split of a second... --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 21:51, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
AlejandroLeloirRey, Everything needs a source. If no source took it upon themselves to note that he's in there, then clearly nobody thought it was important, and thus not important enough for us to talk about. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 21:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
CaptainEek I will give a [citation needed] and delete 2 out of tree mentions. what do you think?--AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 22:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
AlejandroLeloirRey, Sounds like it will work. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 22:39, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
CaptainEek I am going through Gay pornographic film actors and almost all of them are a mess, with very bad sourcing. I believe they were accepted years ago when notability and bios were intended very differently from what they are now. I strongly believe that most of them are worthy to be considered for deletion. how do you feel about it? --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 22:52, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
AlejandroLeloirRey, Eh I'd say it would probably survive a deletion nomination. If you search for more sources and think that there isn't enough (i.e. do a WP:BEFORE check) you could put it up for deletion. But I think the HuffPost article, coverage in industry magazines, plus the various awards, is probably sufficient for notability. Certainly needs a lot of cleanup though, thanks for taking that on. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 23:04, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
CaptainEek no, I didn't mean he should be nominated for deletion. I know he is one of the most famous gay porn actor I meant to nominate basically the 50% of the gay porn actors bios--AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 23:08, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey, Yeah there are a lot of porn actors that need deleting. Before you nominate a bunch for deletion, make sure you solidly understand the deletion criteria. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 23:10, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

With CaptainEek on this - lot of porn actor articles that warrant deletion, and for that matter actors. And musicians. And bands. And authors of books. David notMD (talk) 00:56, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

About My Talk Page

Deleted due to finding the answer elsewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thibeinn (talk • contribs) 15:13, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Thibeinn: OK, but per WP:TPO please don't edit talk page postings if others may have seen (and possibly begun to reply to) them. You should just add a comment to disregard the question. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:31, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Citing lectures, seminars

Hi dear reader!

I am currently working on my first Wikipedia article Draft:Text World Theory, which was declined because it needed more exact references. I want to cite my sources as accurately as possible, so most of my article relies on reliable, peer-reviewed articles and books. To be frank however, I also relied on the content of lectures and seminars that I followed as a student. Sometimes, I found the explanation of a professor to be very useful, so part of what I have written, draws from this. I personally know that their information is reliable as I find it to agree with the information that I find in additional resources that have been reviewed.

This however, is of course problematic. I cannot cite these additional sources directly for a number of reasons. Firstly, this is not the inital source that I have for the information, so it feels as though I am not being fair with my citations, as well as that the explanation of my professors might be different from the exact writings of other scholars. I also do not know where my professors got their information exactly, because I rely on their authority to learn something, rather than their exact citations (usually, they just state information without citing where they got it from, because they are authorities themselves). As they have been appointed a teaching position within the University, I assume that they are reliable. Secondly, I know that even though something might seem reliable to me, I might be biased or my professors might be wrong. Thusly, I am not sure whether citing a lecture or seminar actually meets the guidelines of Wikipedia, though I would want it to. Thirdly, even if I could cite my classes, they aren't public. This means that they cannot be checked by others that aren't fellow students or teachers of the same institute. This is of course extremely problematic.

I would love to cite my exact sources and provide all the exact details of the lectures or seminars I got the information from. It seems to me that that both improves the quality of the article, as well as that it credits the proper people as well. However, it seems like this format doesn't work for Wikipedia. What should I do? Owndifiction (talk) 15:57, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. Lectures given by your professors in the course of your education are not reliable sources. If the lecture was instead a public lecture where reporters came and wrote articles about the lecture, those articles would be usable as secondary sources. Your report of your professor's lecture is not a reliable source because you are not journalist, and would only be publishing it here, which means it is original research. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:08, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
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Hi, Owndifiction! Could you contact your professors and ask them about good sources? They might be pleased by your interest in the topic, and point you to some important works in the field. Or, if you're a current student, they might also tell you to go off and hone your library skills as a "learning exercise". :)
P.S. I just clicked through to your draft, and the references appear to be shaping up. (My background is biology, not linguistics, so discourse theory is a bit over my head.) You can use one of our citation tools – in Visual Editor, there should be a Cite button in the toolbar – to fill out author, title, publisher, date, etc. I'm not sure whether we have something that can pull the metadata for you from a Google books URL, but maybe from an ISBN. Anyway, thanks for coming to Wikipedia and sharing your knowledge of the topic! Pelagic (talk) 19:31, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
@Pelagic: The cite book tool will usually read bib data from a Google books URL as well as from ISBNs. @Owndifiction: please see MOS:BOLD. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:42, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Legendre Conjecture

Yesterday - April 14,2020 I sent e-mails to a number of mathematicians proposing the following: Bridgeman Conjecture

"There are at least two prime numbers between N2 and (N + 1)2 for every positive integer N, and two of these prime numbers form a twin prime in most cases. For N less than 215 the eleven known exceptions are when N is equal to 9, 19, 26, 27, 30, 34, 39, 49, 53, 77, and 122."

This conjecture implies proof of Legendre's Conjecture.

My question: How do I go about getting this conjecture added to Wikipedia and included in the info on Legendre's Conjecture? 2601:5C5:201:B0B0:B555:C64:290D:139 (talk) 13:31, 15 April 2020 (UTC)James N. Bridgeman 2601:5C5:201:B0B0:B555:C64:290D:139 (talk) 13:31, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi 2601:5C5:201:B0B0:B555:C64:290D:139, you might want to consider asking this question at WikiProject Mathematics, they can probably add your request into the article easily. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 14:11, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello Mr Bridgeman. I know zilch about mathematics, but if, as it sounds, you are hoping to advertise the brand new 'Bridgeman Conjecture' on Wikipedia, you may not do so. That is, not until sufficient independent, reliable sources have published articles describing this conjecture in enough details as to demonstrate that the world (and not just a few independent mathematicians) have taken notice of it. That is not to decry any of your contributions to science and mathematics; we simply do not publish 'Original Research' on Wikipedia, if that is what it is. In roughly the same way, we did not have an article about Donna Strickland on Wikipedia until there were published, verifiable sources talking about her achievement after she won her Nobel prize. She did great things beforehand, of course, but nobody wrote about them. Wikipedia collates and follows other sources. It does not lead by publishing new research or theorems, sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:33, 15 April 2020 (UTC)  
Charles Greathouse beat you to it in 2011, so probably gets naming rights. Listed in the comments to A063790 in the OEIS. Mathglot (talk) 02:33, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Arts and Culture in [city name] & Companies

Hi all - I am a new contributor and have two questions that I'm hoping to get clarity on as I want to continue contributing to Wikipedia.

1. As an example, the Arts and Culture section in the Calgary Wikipedia page seems like a bit of a mess that could use some organization based on it being a wall of text covering many different types of art, arts venues, etc. However, I was thinking that an 'Arts and Culture in Calgary' page may be warranted and just want to know if that is within the spirit of Wikipedia?

2. Many cities have arts companies but am wondering in the context of arts companies, such as a dance company, what the level of notability is there? For example, to satisfy secondary sources, would a newspaper review of a performance, an interview with an artistic director, and a member of the company's published book or article suffice 'notability'? Alenmartel (talk) 04:33, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. In terms of question two, companies and organizations need to satisfy the WP:NCORP guideline. As is true of most subjects on Wikipedia, there needs to be independent media/newspaper/book etc coverage in reliable sources. The coverage needs also to be sufficiently in-depth so that one can extract the gist of things without much work. The interview you mention would not typically count towards notability, as it is not independent of the subject. Four or five RS reviews or articles on the dance company might do it, and especially if the articles covered the history of the company and could be used to verify the basic like when it was founded. See also WP:CREATIVE, which covers creative professionals. Finally, if you are connected to the organization in any way then writing about them is discouraged per WP:COI. Thanks. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:43, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

is it OK to remove hyperlinks in introductory section of Dora Altbir

i want to remove hyperlinks: CEDENNA & DICYT. should i just remove them ? Leela52452 (talk) 04:44, 16 April 2020 (UTC) any OTHER suggestion or critique is preferred here

Yes, you should remove those as we do not allow external links in the body of the article! If they look like a valid source, you can remove them and renisert them after the phrase inside ref tags! ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I made a mess and I don't know how to reverse it

Resolved
 – Teahouse was categorised under Category:Gay pornographic film actors; colon added to fix issue. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:01, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gay_pornographic_film_actors

I was working on François Sagat bio and I also did some work on other gay porn actors bio and I must have done something wrong (UNWILLINGLY) now the Teahouse link appears under the letter G, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Gay_pornographic_film_actors could please someone help me to fix it? thank you--AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 23:12, 15 April 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 23:12, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlejandroLeloirRey: I fixed it. Someone had put [[Category:Gay_pornographic_film_actors]] in a previous question. Should be [[:Category:Gay_pornographic_film_actors]] to not add it to the category. RudolfRed (talk) 23:30, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
@RudolfRed: thank you --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 23:47, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia 20th Anniversary

What are you going to do on Wikipedia's 20th anniversary next year? SpinnerLaserz (talk) 03:08, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I haven't heard of any plans yet. Presumably they will yust show a banner and create a page named Wikipedia:20th anniversary. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:19, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello, SpinnerLaserz. I will not begin thinking about that until the coronavirus pandemic is under control. Maybe I might buy a cake with the puzzle globe logo on it, if I am not bankrupt at that time. I like cake. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:25, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Abed-Elrahman Ahmed

Can anyone here at wikipedia create a page named Abed-Elrahman Ahmed? It's for a boy that I care extremely much. Please someone create the page so I can edit it. After you create it please send me a talk. Thanks!Julia Schubert (talk) 10:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Julia Schubert! Probably not, see WP:BASIC. Do you have such references? If not, such an article will be quickly deleted. If you do, I recommend you read Help:YFA carefully and then start a Help:Userspace draft. Assuming you don't mean Abdelrahman Ossama. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:14, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Julia Schubert, are you referring to the 12-year-old Romanian chess player? Any Wikipedia article (not page) about this boy can only say what reliable, published sources have written about him, because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not social media. If you care extremely much, start Googling for reliable published sources, and write the article. There is a Romanian Wikipedia where you may have an easier time writing the article.--Quisqualis (talk) 05:46, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I wish to make a minor grammatical correction to the semi-protected article about Tedros Abhanom

Tedros Adhanom

The text in question is

In a profile published in April 2010, The Lancet reported that Tedros was "a household name at the Global Fund Secretariat" before his election as Board Chair where his leadership was regularly cited at the Global Fund that resulted in Ethiopia to be named as an exemplary high-performing country.

The words "to be" are incorrect in that sentence. I want to replace them with the word "being:. AldisOzols (talk) 11:16, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

AldisOzols,  Done ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 11:22, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Interested in expert opinion regarding an article that might be eligible for deletion

I would appreciate an expert opinion to evaluate if this article is an advertorial with no encyclopedic significance. Pratat (talk) 08:09, 16 April 2020 (UTC) Pratat (talk) 08:09, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Vienna Test System has multiple tags identifying weaknesses, including sections without references. Also, it appears it wants to be about the test system AND the company. I have no keep-don't keep opinion. Needs a look at by psychologists familiar with testing. David notMD (talk) 11:34, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi David notMD and thank you for responding. What I am wary of is that the test system is not a patented method or similar, but rather a very specific system (which used to be hardware+software and now is software only), and therefore the whole article is adveratorial in nature. Would appreciate if you could give it a second look. Not to mention that even when I tried removing a few peacock words, my edit was rolled back..Pratat (talk) 13:03, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Deleted stuff. I think your edit was reverted not because of your change to the text, but to the tags. Anyway, I trimmed stuff from the lead, too. David notMD (talk) 13:50, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Help with getting a draft submitted

Hello - I'm working on a page for the company I work for and I'm struggling to get it submitted. I'm not providing enough significant coverage on the subject or secondary sources, but I've added as many links as I can fathom and I'm at a loss at what to do next. The article is still in its Draft format here: Draft:SixStarCruises Please could someone point me in the right direction? Many thanks, Emma. Emma.smithWTH (talk) 13:44, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

The "references" are in-name-only mentions, interviews, reworks of press releases... Not clear if any of those are at length content about the company (and was there a name change? As awards going to different name?). Given declined four times by three different reviewers, my opinion is lost cause. David notMD (talk) 14:01, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Have you read WP:COMPANY? Your draft has been declined four times and each time its been declined for exactly the same reason. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 14:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you both - The company is a subsidiary, which might cause confusion where mentioned in the referenced articles. I'll take a look at WP:COMPANY and see where I get to.

nigeria, lagos

"Subject/headline".--> what is the relation between portugal and lagos in nigeria? 86.17.177.94 (talk) 14:06, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi anonymous user, and welcome to the Teahouse. People searching the term Lagos may be looking for Lagos, Nigeria or Lagos, Portugal, so it's helpful to redirect them to the place in Portugal, if that's what they're looking for. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:14, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
I suspect the OP may be asking why the Nigerian city has the same name as the Portugese city. The answer to that is given in the articles Lagos, Nigeria and History of Lagos – although the Nigerian location had at least one indigenous name (Eko), it was named "Lagos" by Portugese explorers and immigrants, perhaps partly after the Portugese city but largely because the word in Portugese means both "lakes" and "lagoon", both of which are descriptive of the local geography. {The poster formerly knnown as 87.81.230.195} 90.203.117.240 (talk) 14:49, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Frank Van Dersarl

I'm really confused. Durangofox (talk) 16:48, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Durangofox, what are you confused about? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:49, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
What I'm confused about is how an editor with 4 edits made this whole page in one of them, as well as what seems to be another article in the making in another one. Likely a WP:COI — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 16:53, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

It's possible this might be a continuation of an archived discussion. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Articles for review.

Am Alvinategyeka, I've submitted some articles for review. Can it be possible for them to be reviewed before tomorrow, because am in a competition which ends tomorrow. Am requesting the experienced editors to look through them and advise on the way forward, whether to re edit them or of they can be approved Alvinategyeka (talk) 16:28, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Alvinategyeka, I'm afraid that is sadly not how it works. There is currently a backlog of hundreds of pages and it usually takes a few weeks for a new article to be reviewed. But if you are referring to Caroline Kamusiime, then well congratulations! It's already been created. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 16:59, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Alvinategyeka. I'm glad that one of your drafts has been accepted: well done. But please explain to whoever set up the competition that encouraging people to create articles to a deadline is disruptive to Wikipedia. Please see there is no deadline. --ColinFine (talk) 18:14, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

How to make columns functions of other columns in tables

I am trying to put in cases per capita data on the articles for the Virginia and Maryland Covid outbreak articles. I added a population column, and I made a cases per capita column in excel and imported it, but I want to know how to make that function within the table on the site so that when the cases column gets updated the cases per capita gets updated to. How do I do that? Isaaclagrand (talk) 15:32, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Isaaclagrand. I don't think there's any way to automate that. I've looked at Help:Table and WP:Parser functions. You can certainly use the parser function 'expr' to calculate a value, but I don't think there's any way to tell it to get the input from somewhere on the page: that's just not what the Mediawiki software does. It may be that you could write a Lua module to generate the whole table, but I don't think you can in Mediawiki. --ColinFine (talk) 18:08, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
@Isaaclagrand: It is not possible when the table code and data is written in the same page. It can be done with a row template which computes a table row from data given in parameters but this requires template knowledge to set up. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:19, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

is this deletion material ?

Hallo, I tried to improve this bio but I can't find much on internet. He definitely was a pretty known gay porn actor but I can't find anything to source this and at the moment there is only one source, plus is he notable? please check it out: Zak Spears --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 16:26, 16 April 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 16:26, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello! This is the fifth new post you've made here in the past week or so. Please post on the talk page of the article if you have specific concerns about the subject.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
@AlejandroLeloirRey: I might also suggest posting at WT:PORNO for a more focused audience. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:55, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
@ThatMontrealIP: like I have said before these are old pages and no one seems to be interested into them anymore. these pages were created when wikipedia policy about porn actor was much different. I tried to create discussions on their pages but no one answers and I don't want to neither act and make a mistake nor ignore the fact and let pages created ages ago rotten. @AlanM1: good advise, thank you I just did. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 18:24, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

My Picture Attached To Someone Else's Wikipedia Bio

Resolved
 – Content mismatch on a Google Knowledge Graph; recommended fix is to submit feedback through the "Feedback" link on the graph. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:49, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi there - I just googled my own name, and a photo of me came up attached to an dead Australian footballer's wikipedia link. The photo does not show on the demised footballer's actual wikipedia page, but on the search results in Google.. Can anyone suggest how that can be amended so these are not connected? Thanks for reading! 64.46.3.4 (talk) 20:48, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

You will need to contact Google. Their Knowledge Graph pulls data from a variety of sources in an often confusing way. RudolfRed (talk) 21:01, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
To add to the above: the easiest way of correcting such a mistake is by clicking on the grey "Feedback" link on the bottom right of the Google Knowledge Graph. --MrClog (talk) 21:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much! A trivial issue in our current times but much appreciated. Be well!

(BLP violation removed) George Pell

 Courtesy link: George Pell

Is it not possible to remove Pell's countenance from the home page? (BLP violation removed) PLEASE get rid of him. 70.105.250.100 (talk) 01:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

If you wish to talk about getting his picture removed, please refer to the article's talk page. Unless it violates a copyright of some sort it is highly unlikely that the image of him will be removed. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 01:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Tenryuu, FWIW, the IP is presumably referring to the main page, where Pell's picture is currently present under "In the News" due to his recent acquittal. Moaz786 (talk to me or see what I've been doing) 02:01, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Moaz786, I saw that; perhaps I should redirect the IP editor to the Talk:Main Page then? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 02:23, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Tenryuu, perhaps we should refer the IP to WP:BLPREMOVE which I am tempted to invoke for his posts to this thread. Elizium23 (talk) 11:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Elizium23, the last time this IP made meaningful edits was in 2016 and so far hasn't made any further changes in regards to the subject. If anyone can close this I think we can lay the matter to rest. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 14:57, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
@Tenryuu: The poster is unlikely to be the same person that posted using that IP in 2016, but I'm not sure why that would matter. Last I remember, consensus here was against implementing the type of "closing" used elsewhere (e.g., admin noticeboards). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:21, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
@AlanM1: I'm aware that the person using that IP is most likely not the one from a few years back. In any case, it doesn't seem like they've done anything else since yesterday besides post here. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:34, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
You might find him (Redacted), but he is in the news. It will pass. Then people will spend much time and aggro fighting over neutrality and due weight in his bio. Probably we've also had recent pictures for Weinstein and the-other-guy-whose-name-escapes-me (and they haven't had their convictions overturned). We're not celebrating the verdict, just reporting it. You could set your sights on Sky News, I heard they've been giving him a sympathathetic airing recently. And this thread will soon be archived and forgotten. But thanks for stopping by to let us know how you feel. Pelagic (talk) 15:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Why has this not been suppressed in four days?? Usedtobecool ☎️ 19:37, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Jack Radcliffe

Hallo, this is from the bio of a gay porn star, it sounds way too celebrative would you please give me your opinion and advises on how to improve it? thank you

"Legacy and cultural impact Radcliffe is often cited as an enduring iconic representation (if not the most iconic representative[2][7]) of the bear aesthetic in pornography, gay culture, and at large.[1][3][8][9][10][11] He has been described as "the Marilyn Monroe of bear culture,"[12] a "poster boy of bear culture," and a "reigning bear icon."[1] In a 2009 list of bear icons, LGBT pop culture website Queerty stated, "In the bear porn industry, Radcliffe is God. It’s easy to see why– if Plato were a bear, this would be his ideal."[8]

Despite this, Radcliffe has downplayed his iconography within bear culture.[1][2][12]

Radcliffe was the most featured cover model in the history of Bear Magazine.[13] In his 2001 forward for author and academic scholar Les K. Wright's The Bear Book II: Further Readings in the History and Evolution of a Gay Male Subculture, former editor-in-chief of Drummer Jack Fritscher noted that Radcliffe remained Brush Creek Media's top box office earner and described him as an icon for the company.[5] Wright also described Radcliffe as the first to embody the "bear beauty" aesthetic with his specifically marketed films.[14] Conversely, Radcliffe has also been specifically identified as an example of the "muscle-bear" body type that later emerged in bear culture, contributing to a more muscular standard of beauty, seemingly in conflict with the "normal," "average," or fat ("chub") aesthetic origins of the bear community.[12][15]" AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 16:21, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

hello @AlejandroLeloirRey: you should try asking this question on the talk page of the article.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:24, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
@ThatMontrealIP: I tried to bring up the lack of notability but no one seems to be interested. The problem wit this kind of bio is that they were accepted when notability rules were less strict, and not being notable no one really looks at these pages which gets to remain untouched for years. I was hopping to rise some interest here and at least improve it. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 16:31, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
AlejandroLeloirRey, if you suspect an article is on a non-notable subject, please conduct a reasonable WP:BEFORE and nominate it for WP:AFD; that's where it is not ignored. There are far too many articles, whose talk pages are watched by barely one experienced editor, since many were created by one time editors who just wanted to create an article for something/someone connected to them. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:07, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

A High Volume of Articles from Single Source

I wish to edit Milwaukee Admirals by adding records for years that aren't on the Internet Hockey Database. In order to do so, I have numerous clippings from newspapers that account for each game. That would add up to 61 citations for a few rows in a table. Is there a way to abbreviate many articles throughout 4 years from a one or two newspapers? Packerfan213 (talk) 17:47, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Packerfan213, each clipping would be an individual source and ought not to be merged even if it were possible. If each source supports a new claim in the article, 61 of them would not be too many. There is a way to bundle citations if many sources are required to support a single sentence or something. See WP:Bundling. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:11, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, Usedtobecool, I ended up not needing to because I couldn't compile a perfect game-by-game log for the season, but that's good info for the future. Packerfan213 (talk) 22:03, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to How to notify or make it clear that I might not be very responsive to questions?

Summoning Woerich How is that you can keep your presence here almost to zero, but then be summoned so quickly as a third tier of gatekeeper to harm others when so many people are being hurt and harmed around the world? Intelliname (talk) 18:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

This appears to relate to a content dispute at Epik (domain registrar). I see no discussion on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 18:21, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Intelliname, editors can selectively enable email notifications for the kind of updates they want to receive from Wikipedia. Many editors take that option when their activity level drops or needs to. Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:15, 16 April 2020 (UTC)


Update: OP has already been indefinitely blocked for edit warring and threats to out other editors. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:56, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, it is unnecessary to mark posts where OP has been blocked; indefinite block does not mean infinite, so they could get unblocked, and they can still follow the answer even though they are blocked from posting, in both cases, they could still benefit from the answers. In any case, I expect most if not all hosts to have their preferences set to crossing out usernames of blocked editors anyway. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:24, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Usedtobecool, this question was clearly asked in bad faith, so it's a good think to note that the OP has been blocked indef, so no other editor should waste their time answering this question. --MrClog (talk) 22:12, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

My user page does not exist

Dear 'experienced Wikipedia editor', When I click on my User page, (User:Alfonse Dubas), or User:Alfonse Dubas, it says that the page does not exist. The hyperlink is also red. I was wondering why my user page does not exist? Thank you, Alfonse Dubas Alfonse Dubas (talk) 22:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC) Alfonse Dubas (talk) 22:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Alfonse Dubas Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your user page doesn't exist because you haven't created it yet. There is no requirement that you do so- many users edit for years without anything on their user page at all, and others just redirect it to their user talk page. If you would like to tell the Wikipedia community a little bit about yourself in the context of your Wikipedia editing or use, you may do so. The guidelines for user page content may be read by clicking WP:USERPAGE. (by the way I simplified the link, as the whole web address is not necessary in this case). 331dot (talk) 22:20, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Alfonse Dubas, that would be because you have not created it. Click the redlink, and you will be taken to an edit window where you can add content and publish your userpage. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 22:21, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! Alfonse Dubas (talk) 22:29, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I typed "Do it here." to turn it blue. You can now delete that and add your own content. David notMD (talk) 01:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Archiving a web page displaying interactive graphs from a data portal

I have recently created a new article Water supply and sanitation in the Wellington region. I successfully archived the urls of web references for this article, apart from a site that displays interactive information from a data portal. Here is a link to one example of a page that I could not successfully archive: https://www.waternz.org.nz/Category?Action=View&Category_id=1008

I was not able to get the Wayback machine to successfully take a snapshot of this url. The archive captures the screen headings and borders etc, but not the charts and then shows error messages. Is there another way I can generate a snap shot that shows the graphs ? Marshelec (talk) 23:39, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Marshelec, I tried taking a capture using Archive.is and it seems to be working fine: does this suit your purposes? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:56, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Tenryuu Perfect, thanks Marshelec (talk) 06:39, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Articles that dashboard may not have picked

Articles, Alum Sandra Ogwang Santa and Achiro Lucy that I edited seem not to have been picked by the dashboard because they are not reflecting in statistics of my contribution. If true what could be the problem. Thanks. More insight on the matter will be highly appreciated. Alvinategyeka (talk) 09:15, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "the dashboard" in this context, but Draft:Alum Sandra Ogwang Santa and Draft:Achiro Lucy Otim are listed at Special:Contributions/Alvinategyeka. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:16, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps the the Wikipedia dashboard? — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 10:24, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Paytm First Games

Hey, my article Draft:Paytm First Games was recently declined, can anyone please have a look and tell me how to better it to get it approved? Many thanks! Alisha9891 (talk) 10:31, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Alisha9891 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As you were told by the reviewer, your draft does not currently have independent reliable sources with significant coverage to support the content of the article and indicate how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of notability. Your sources are just press releases or routine business announcements, which do not establish notability. I see that the platform is the only subject you have written about. Do you have any connection to it? 331dot (talk) 10:36, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Non-free material for Wikimedia projects use only

I know Wikimedia / Wikipedia has a dislike against non-free content, however, I'm hoping you could help me out with this one. I occasionally edit the Nathan Wyburn page and I have an association with the subject personally. We would both like to know if it is possible to upload the artist's non-free content only for the use on the Wikimedia projects, and if so, how we go about it. (So giving exclusive permissions to Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons to use the images, but not able to be used outside of the Wikimedia projects.) Up until now, I've had to upload it myself and then get the artist to send an email to OTRS. All of the wiki pages don't seem to be clear enough for me to properly understand the policies and procedures as I don't want to risk losing my account. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated! Mthowells200130 (talk) 08:35, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

It couldn't be uploaded to Commons under these circumstances, as anything hosted there needs to be under a license that allows commercial re-use. Unfortunately it's not possible to give exclusive permission to Wikipedia to host something, as Wikipedia content by definition can be re-used by anyone for any purpose including commercial resale. English Wikipedia can host low-resolution images as fair-use provided all ten of these conditions are met; the key phrase in these circumstances would be used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. That is, if a work is particularly significant to the artist's career such that a reader couldn't really understand the artist without it, we could host a non-free image of it. ‑ Iridescent 08:45, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the information! I've been caught out by copyright a few times so this has been a great help. Mthowells200130 (talk) 08:48, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi Mthowells200130. Just going to add that while it might be possible to upload an example of an artist's work to use in a Wikipedia article written about them, Wikipedia's non-free content use policy also encourages us to minimize non-free content use whenever possible and use free content (including text) instead. So, one non-free file of an artist's work is already considered pretty exceptional per relevant policy even when it's use is considered to satisfy the ten non-free content use criteria Iridescent mentioned above, but multiple examples are going to be much harder to justify and anything that gives the appearance of being a non-free gallery of the artist's work is going to be near impossible to justify. Ideally whatever image(s) you choose, should be one(s) that has (have) been the subject of critical commentary in independent reliable sources about the artist of their work and are generally seen by such sources as most representative of the artist's output or particular style. Try to remember that even if the artist does decide to release versions of his work under a Creative Commons license so that they can be uploaded to Commons, Wikipedia articles are still not really intended to be image galleries per se per WP:NOTGALLERY and image use should be related to the article content as much as possible per WP:IUP#Adding images to articles.
Finally, if you've been in contact with the artist and are making any edits on their behalf, please take a look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest to see whether it might apply to you. Sometimes the people who are written about on Wikipedia don't have a good understanding of WP:OWN, WP:BIOSELF or WP:COISELF and mistakenly assume that the article was written for them or their benefit rather than simply be written about them; so, they assume they have some sort of editorial control of the article. I'm not accusing you or the artist of doing anything wrong here; just pointing out something you may not be aware of. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:36, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the further clarification Marchjuly! Yep, I'm fully aware about not turning any article into a gallery, I'm particularly focusing on the artwork that the media has picked up on and which can be backed up on with reliable sources. And I have tried to declare my COI - I have it on my user page and will consider adding it to the article's talk page also. The artist has no editorial control, however he does send me source links to include. But I'm aware my COI can be a bit of an issue due to my affiliation with the subject. Thank you for the pointers, I've been on Wiki for a few years but I'm still getting my head round it! Mthowells200130 (talk) 10:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Another user copied the content of my draft

I spent a decent amount of time writing a draft of an article then submitted it to be published, and have been waiting to hear back on whether it was approved or not. Today, a user left a message on my talk page that they had gone ahead and made an article for the subject I wrote about, and had received a pending deletion notice because their article lacked sources and proof of notability. The deletion warning linked to my draft, recommending the two should be merged. The article creator was asking if I was interested in merging the two. In the same day that they received the deletion warning and left the message on my talk page, the user copied at least half of the content from my draft and published it in the live article they had created. I had yet to respond to their request to merge, so they did this without any permission from me. I am perfectly fine with the idea of merging the articles, but I had planned to add my content myself later in the day. I'm uncomfortable with how this was approached, and I feel as though I was plagiarized. So I'm wondering, is this normal practice? To copy another user's writing? ReadingRed (talk) 21:17, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ReadingRed, and welcome to the Teahouse. I would have been able to answer you much more quickly if you had told us what article(s) you were talking about, rather than leaving me to do the detective work. The answer is, no it is not normal practice; but it is allowed. Whenever you inserted text, you automatically released it under CC-BY-SA, which means that anybody may copy or reuse it for any purpose, as long as they attribute the source. Since Lena Key stated in their edit to Talia Hibbert that they were merging from Draft:Talia Hibbert, that requirement was met. As I say, this is not normal, and it might have been kinder if Lena Kay slowed down a bit and gave you a chance to respond to their question before taking action. But what we write anywhere in Wikipedia does not belong to us. (Well, strictly it does, but we have given permission to anybody else to use it). --ColinFine (talk) 22:45, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine. I didn't link to the article because I was more concerned with general practice and thought I provided enough information about the situation. Lena Key and I have communicated through our Talk pages and reached compromise I feel comfortable with, but I thank you for answering my question. I understand the open nature of Wikipedia's publishing platform and that I've given up all rights to what I have written, which is why I was more interested in what is generally acceptable and what I should expect when working with other user's written content and their interactions with mine moving forward. ReadingRed (talk) 22:56, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, ReadingRed. I guessed that you might have deliberately not mentioned it. But "general practice" is not how Wikipedia mostly works. There are guidelines and policies, of course, but it's usually not only easier, but also more meaningful, to answer a specific question. (Also, when people come on here or the help desk and studiously avoid being specific, it is often because they are involved in a dispute, and are hoping that somebody will give them a "general solution" that they can wave in their opponent's face and say "da-dah! I'm right!". See wikilawyering). And, as you discovered, the information is all there anyway, and an experienced editor will just go looking for it, and be mildly irritated at you for making it harder. --ColinFine (talk) 12:39, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

How to close a disussion

How do I close a disusssion properly on My talk page? Abdullah Al Manjur (talk) 14:11, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Abdullah Al Manjur. Try this script. Interstellarity (talk) 14:20, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

But what does heading section mean? Abdullah Al Manjur (talk) 14:37, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Abdullah Al Manjur, it's the heading of the section content is under; for example, the heading of this question is "How to close a disussion [sic]". —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:06, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Oh now I understand Abdullah Al Manjur (talk) 15:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Forgot Password

Forgot password


How do you recover your account if you forgot the password? 2603:9001:5800:0:547D:7266:6982:88E9 (talk) 15:34, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

If you added an email address to your account, you can click on the Forgot password button, enter the email you used to sign up with your account, check your email for a password reset link, and enter a new password. If not, there is no way to recover your account. You will need to create a new one. Interstellarity (talk) 16:12, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Link Twice

How can I use the same link twice, without it appearing in the references twice?

Danstarr69 (talk) 19:45, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Danstarr69 One way is to add it (the ref) as many times as needed, then use Refill2. Or see WP:REFNAME. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:14, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
@Danstarr69: Alternatively, you can use name="..." in the ref tag. Further details: WP:Citing sources#Repeated citations. Certes (talk) 20:15, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Danstarr69, please see Wikipedia:Citing sources#Repeated citations. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:20, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool I still don't understand it.

This is one of the links I'm trying to use twice [1]

This is the title I'm trying to give it [2]

Where about's in the reference do I add it?

I've tried to add it before the curly brackets, and I've tried to add it after the curly brackets, but neither works.

Also in the box which comes up when you add a citation in the visual mode, where in there can I find the "Reference Name" category?

All I can see is when I search for the word "Name" is: URL, Title, Last Name, First Name, Source Date, Name of Website, Language, URL Status, Archive URL, Archive Date, URL Access Date, Publisher, Second Author First Name, Second Author Last Name, Editor First Name, Editor Last Name, Location of Publication, Script Title, Lay Source, Author Mask, First and Last names of another 7 authors, Author Name Separator, Last Author Ampersand, First and Last names of another 8 editors, and Published Via.

I've also tried to use the "Tag" category, but when I try to use "Two Shot Podcast - Vinette Robinson" in there as a "Reference Tag," I just get the Red text saying "Unknown parameter |tag= ignored (|date= suggested)" Danstarr69 (talk) 21:05, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Use the full ref with name the first time[3] then the name only later.[3] Certes (talk) 21:13, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Danstarr69, in visual editing, there should be a "reuse" tab which will give you a list of refs you have already used, so you can choose which one you need to use again.
For source editing, when first you have to use it, use it like this:<ref name=content>{{everything that goes in the curly brackets}}</ref>. And when you need to cite the same link again, cite it as: <ref name=content/>. (Type what you see here, not what I have typed to make it appear this way to readers). Is this helpful? Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 21:18, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool I've just tried it again, and it worked this time. I don't don't what I did wrong the first time to make it fail. I thought it had failed again when I was checking the preview as it didn't have an (a)(b) thing next to the references at the bottom, however the reference number appeared twice in the text in the article itself, so it must have worked. I've still got more references to add before I publish and know for certain however.

Danstarr69 (talk) 21:29, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Danstarr69, we'll be here, good luck! Usedtobecool ☎️ 21:35, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
@Danstarr69: I know you’re comfortable switching between editing tools. So, my advice is to forget using Visual Editor to insert references -it’s rubbish for that. Use source editor, where the Cite template has a very visible ‘Reference name’ box you can complete. I have written my own guide for newcomers struggling with editing. Take a look at WP:EASYREFBEGIN if you’re still encountering problems. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:54, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "The Two Shot Podcast - #TSP047 - Vinette Robinson". twoshotpod.podbean.com. Retrieved 2020-04-16.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
  2. ^ content
  3. ^ a b "An example".
@Danstarr69: Because you had trouble finding it before, the "reference name" field in the source editor's cite tool is actually labeled "Ref name" and is the bottom left field in the window. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 13:58, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Editing Francis Thompson - English Poet

 Courtesy link: Francis Thompson

Re: Francis Thompson

I am a writer/director and among many of my film and theatre work, I am presently in production with a feature film about Francis Thompson called 'HOUND' which is nearly completed. The information below was added on to the above poets page about a year ago and we noticed recently that somehow or other to our dismay the information was removed! (I then added the information back on) I would like to know how this has happened? and by whom? As I have proof of the film and the play version which I can send you on request, as I don't want this information to be taken off again. I also have my own Wikipedia page under Chris Ward (playwright). Also I have noticed all of my productions of 'HOUND' have also been removed from my page. (Which I am currently going to add this back on).

Thank you for your assistance in this matter and look forward to hearing from you.

Best wishes

Chris Ward Wet Paint Theatre/Films

In 2012, Chris Ward's filmscript, Visions in the Life of the Victorian poet Francis Thompson 'Hound' was staged at the Riverside Studios, Hammersmith and following that the stage version was taken on a tour of London's churches including St Giles-in-the Fields and in St Olav's (City of London) in May 2014. The Film of 'HOUND' is now in production with a cast including Wayne Sleep, Toyah Willcox, Hazel O'Connor and the role of Francis Thompson is played by Daniel Hutchingson, to be released in 2021.

79.65.248.166 (talk) 15:16, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Can you please cite your reliable sources independent from your subject (i.e., secondary sources about the film or the stageplay) on the article? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:20, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
The paragraph was about a film that is due to be released next year. Maybe, after the film's release, there will be reviews of it that justify mention of it in the article. Meanwhile, I've removed the paragraph again. Maproom (talk) 15:45, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
For the reasons given, please do not add mention of the not-yet-released film to either Francis Thompson or Chris Ward (playwright) David notMD (talk) 20:02, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Accidentally moved draft's talk page to the main space???

Resolved
 – Draft talk page accidentally moved over to mainspace article location; moved back by administrator. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:07, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

I inadvertently moved the draft talk page to the main space with the article's name Yorkton Film Festival Golden Sheaf Award - Drama. How can I undo that action? I wanted to move the article to the main space with that name and am not sure how to reverse it. Thank you. I did think I was being careful but had forgoten what page I was on..... : - ( LorriBrown (talk) 15:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC) LorriBrown (talk) 15:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@LorriBrown: I have requested admin assistance at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Teahouse_question. They can probably fix it for you. Interstellarity (talk) 16:03, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 Done DMacks (talk) 16:08, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
@DMacks: Thanks for your help. Interstellarity (talk) 16:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
@Interstellarity: & ::@DMacks: I appreciate both of your help! I apologize that I wasn't paying close enough attention before making that move.... Thank you for fixing it though.  : - ) LorriBrown (talk) 18:33, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
@LorriBrown: It's not a big deal. I've done it before. That's what admins are here for. Interstellarity (talk) 21:06, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Voxa notability issues

Previous discussion: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1055#Requesting edit on Draft:Voxa

Hello All,

I posted here earlier asking for help with submitting the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Voxa page. I have been told that it doesn't have enough cited information, however I don't think this is true. I have reviewed this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Common_sourcing_mistakes_(notability), and feel that adequate citations exist. I have 3rd party sources that have written paragraphs in articles about either Voxa or the product it has created, Mochii. As I said on MER-C's talk page, I am a 16 year student who is new to publishing content to Wikipedia and I seem to be spinning in circles. This company came to my school a while back and I have been following them since, and the rocket launch seemed like quite a notable event. I have edited the tone of the page a lot to make sure that it is not promotional, and had someone on Teahouse deem that the tone is now up to scratch. I have cited 5 articles that discuss a rocket launch which had one of Voxa's products on it and these sources have around 2 paragraphs written about the product as the page on citations asks for, "think generally two paragraphs of text focused on the topic at issue.". I have also cited a NASA page which writes about the product. Along with these, I've also cited an independent research paper which mentions one of the company's other products and have cited the 2018 microscopy today innovation awards. Winning industry awards and having a product on the ISS both seem to be pretty notable things to me.

I am unclear as to why these don't qualify as legitimate sources. I have looked at other Wikipedia pages for help, for instance this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramit_Sethi, and don't see how that has better sourcing that qualifies. The Ramit Sethi page cites an article that interviews his parents, a lot of his company's websites, and an interview with people that he has worked with. I don't see how this is considered better sourcing than what I have provided.

Could someone please help and explain the threshold that is needed for adequate citations and explain to me what I am doing wrong. Any help would be amazing! Sachin Zachariah (talk) 21:47, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sachin Zachariah: Never bother pointing at and comparing with existing articles (except maybe those with Good Article status) because it's always possible you're pointing at a mistake that slipped through the cracks.
Here is a guide on how to quickly write articles that will not be rejected. What you need are at least three sources that are:
  • specifically and primarily about Voxa (not Mochii or Blade)
  • not connected to, affiliated with, nor dependent upon Voxa nor anyone who works with or for it
  • are professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources (GeekWire seems to qualify, but you can't rely on just them)
Of the sources you have, most (e.g. [2], [3]) such as fail the first point (if a source doesn't even mention Voxa, then it's just wasting your time and ours). Even the GeekWire articles aren't specifically about Voxa but their products. Voxa's own website and product sites fail the second point.
Summarize those sources and then [paraphrase]] that summary as if Voxa's competitors were writing it, then post that. Don't add anything else, this limited material is to demonstrate notability without clutter that might be confused for advertising. Once the article is approved, then you can expand it (sticking to bare facts about the company). Ian.thomson (talk) 22:07, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Sachin Zachariah. I'm delighted that a sixteen year old is contributing to Wikipedia, and I hope that you will get past the current frustration and stay. But I'm afraid that running in circles is a common experience for new editors (of any age) who plunge straight into the very difficult task of creating a new article, without having spent some time learning how Wikipedia works. One point that is relevant is that notability is not inherited. If you can show that one of their products is notable, this might ground an article about that product; but this does not necessarily mean that the company is, and vice versa. It follows that sources which talk, even at length, about a product without more than mentioning the company do not contribute to the company's notability. --ColinFine (talk) 22:28, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much for the helpful responses. Would y'all suggest that I first create a page talking about the Mochii product considering how much more information there is online about it and then move towards creating the Voxa page. Sachin Zachariah (talk) 22:54, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
@Sachin Zachariah: Yep. More available sources = easier to write about. If you can find sources that describe what makes it distinct from other electron microscopes, you may want to focus on those (again, writing as if Voxa's competitors were writing the article) or else the reviewer might go "this is just an advert for a specific microscope." Ian.thomson (talk) 22:58, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Talk Page Improvements

I understand that it is likely not good for an inexperienced user such as myself to create an archive of a talk page. However, an article I care about Miranda Warning seems to have a lot of irrelevant questions on its talk page, as well as some that would be better off archived. What is the best procedure for marking these as so, so a more experienced editor/bot can deal with the problem? ThatSuperNerd (talk) 18:41, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@ThatSuperNerd: Archiving is a little technically tricky, but instructions are here. I just added some bot archiving to the page, so hopefully that'll clean up the old conversations. In general, people only pay attention to the recent ones, so it's not a huge deal unless it's slowing down the page. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 19:47, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much! It is much appreciated! ThatSuperNerd (talk) 19:50, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict):ThatSuperNerd, Sdkb summoned Lowercase sigmabot III to the page and it is scheduled to archive discussions that have not been edited for 180 days. You may change this time by going into the source code and changing the algo parameter in the bot's template. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:53, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@ThatSuperNerd, Sdkb, and Tenryuu: Can I just observe that, in my opinion, it is generally a mistake to archive article talk page posts after a set time - at least not unless one also sets the archive 'minthreadsleft=' parameter to a dozen or more of the latest posts. My rationale is as follows: An inactive talk page needs no archiving at all. It is helpful to know that, say, since 2005 there has been only one post there; one doesn't have to go checking for non-existent archive pages. If, however, it is a pretty active talk page, then having at least the last dozen or so posts visible is quite helpful, and one only has to visit the archives for the less current posts. If, however, there have only been twenty posts in total over the last fifteen years, being able to see at a glance that twelve of them were made between, say, 2010 and today, is quite helpful. One only has to look into the archives if one really wants to go back a long way. An article talk page set to archive all but the last half dozen talk page posts (if they're older than a set age), falls somewhere in between, and is not helpful. This approach forces the reader to open up archive pages unnecessarily. Note: this isn't an official Wikipedia position - just my own view on making life simpler for the user, and also keep a talk page under control. So I urge care when considering whether and how to archive talk pages, please. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:58, 17 April 2020 (UTC)    
@Nick Moyes: I think the issue was that ThatSuperNerd found many questions on there that were WP:NOTFORUM and are cluttering up the talk page, such as Talk:Miranda warning#You're still allowed to TALK right? and Talk:Miranda warning#Help me understand something. They've been manually archiving questions (though I think someone recently brought them back). I could see a point being made to use something like {{hat}} and applying it to all the WP:NOTFORUM questions to reduce the apparent size, though.

Is there a way to copy-paste large blocks of Wiki source code without using my device’s clipboard?

I am currently working on the Talking Tom and Friends franchise and related articles by copying pages to my sandbox, then copying them to mainspace once fixed (I’m just a fan of that franchise who noticed that some of the articles need to be rewritten) and I noticed that my device (an iPad 2017 (I know it’s old, I’ll be upgrading next year)) keeps on crashing once an entire page is selected, but before I can copy. This didn’t happen on the first time I copied large pieces of text here (maybe I was just lucky) but since last week, my device refuses to copy more than 20k bytes of code (maybe because Wikipedia’s editor is a bit resource-hungry? Or maybe Apple is downgrading performance through iPadOS?). I have been managing this by copying pages part by part when I have to move them, but that method is too tedious (it takes about 5 seconds for the copy option to show up each time)
So, is there any tool to copy entire pages to my sandbox and back to mainspace without altering the page history? RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 09:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

RedBulbBlueBlood9911, there aren't any tools I'm aware of, but have you considered using some sort of PC or Mac? — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 10:20, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Berrely, I can’t use laptops also since the one I can use is too slow when editing (comparable to my iPad) RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 11:03, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
RedBulbBlueBlood9911, there are likely some gadgets that could do this, but practically none of them work on iOS or Android. Maybe there is an app in the App Store that can let you copy/paste differently? — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 11:07, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Berrely, I am actually looking for an alternative way within Wikipedia (besides, I couldn’t find any apps that promise to be capable of copying large blocks of text without crashing my tab). All I need is a way to duplicate a page to my sandbox and do the reverse once I’m done (if the page-moving tool is like cutting and pasting something, I am looking for a copy-paste option). RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 11:18, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
RedBulbBlueBlood9911, sadly, I don't think there is a way to do that. As mw:Help:Copying a page says, there is no built-in way to copy a Wikipedia page. If you want you can tell me the page name and I copy it for you? — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 12:11, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
RedBulbBlueBlood9911, would it be possible to transfer content to draftspace, working on it there, and then move it to the main articlespace? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:02, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Berrely, thanks for your assistance, but since I’m already working on a draft, I won’t need any pages to be copied till I complete that draft. Tenryuu, that is exactly what I meant. Sorry if my question wasn’t clear enough before. RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 02:35, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Olivier Varenne

Hello, could I have some advice on the page for Olivier Varenne please? 2A00:23C7:3706:4500:C10D:E825:2583:25B8 (talk) 12:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello. The advice given by Robert McClenon on Draft:Olivier Varenne the fourth time it was submitted was that "This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia". What is there about the link in that message (and all the previous comments and notices of being declined) that you don't understand? You might find it helpful to read CSMN, and AMOUNT as well. --ColinFine (talk) 12:54, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
My advice is: stop submitting it. You have repeatedly been asked to find sources that establish that Varenne is notable, and repeatedly failed to do so. By continuing to submit it without evidence of notability, you are wasting your own time as well as that of the reviewers. Maproom (talk) 13:17, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
The editor who rejected it (McClenon) did recommend starting a discussion here at Teahouse, so you deserve a bit more of an answer. But first, a question: are you the same person as RubyOcean? You and RO have edited this draft - is it that at times you do not remember to log in? Please use only one account. Second, the article is tagged with suspicion of undisclosed paid editing. IF YOU ARE BEING PAID OR HAVE A PERSONAL CONNECTION TO THE TOPIC, disclose that on your User page. Last, but most important - all of the references are useless. They confirm that Olivier Varenne works at MONA and various exhibitions took place at MONA (or elsewhere, organized by Varenne), but none of the references are to published content ABOUT Varenne. Thus, I agree with everyone - not notable, stop submitting. David notMD (talk) 14:48, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
User:Jasonhogarth adding an interview with OV as a reference does not contribute to notability. David notMD (talk) 20:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
I rejected the draft because, as both User:David notMD and my notes said, the draft was submitted four times without improvement, and also because the submitter did not answer the question about conflict of interest. I am not saying that Varenne is not notable, or that Varenne is notable. I am saying that the draft does not establish that Varenne is notable, and it is the responsibility of the author of a draft to establish notability. The repeated resubmissions without improving the article were wasting the time of the author and the reviewers, which is why the ability to Reject a draft was developed. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:38, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Can I use scripting to create a table, write it to an ASCII file, and import it into Wikipedia?

I want to create Wikipedia pages that show the results of the US Superbike National Championship from 1976 to today.

I would like the data to appear in the format that is used for the World Superbike Championship results, for example: [[4]]. (One column per event.)

The data currently exists in a more linear format on a Wordpress page: [[5]] (One table per event.)

Could I use scripting to extract the data from the Wordpress page and insert it into a Wikipedia table? Python or Perl, for example. Otherwise it will be a painful manual procedure. I don't see scripting described anywhere in your help. I would convert the Wordpress page to ASCII text, read it with a script, manipulate the data, and write it to a new ASCII file in the table format. Can I import an ASCII file into Wikipedia? I can imagine some hand cleanup would still be required.

Thanks Shercomike (talk) 17:20, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Shercomike: what you are suggesting might be allowable (others can comment on that), but from the looks of it, you would have to find a proper source. Anyone can set up a Wordpress site, so it is very likely not a reliable source and would not be a good site to use as the data source.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:15, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
In my experience, creating or editing a table of any size in Wikipedia is difficult, tedious, and error-prone. I would definitely recommend some form of scripting. (I have used Perl, and I've used a text editor that supports regular expressions. I'm sure Python is good too.) But, as ThatMontrealIP says, you need a reliable source for any content you add. Maproom (talk) 07:10, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Disappointed over submitting articles for review

Am really very much disappointed, I created article Lucy Achiro a while back but as it was waiting to reviewed, another editor created another article (same person) in the main space directly yesterday ,that's how my submission was declined today! This is not the first time, some time back, I created Nasiyo kamugo and as in the case above mine was rejected just because it took long before it could be reviewed. Now am sure this is exactly the fate that awaits my other submited article draft Alum Sandra ogwang Santa because I created it 3 days ago and it is awaiting review. Am disappointed and am inquiring if I should never submit articles again, maybe I should always create them on the main space directly because it's like am wasting time. Advice on this will be highly appreciated. Thanks. Kind regards Alvinategyeka (talk) 05:24, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

In your particular case you have a history of successfully creating articles, so you could consider creating in your Sandbox and then moving to mainspace rather than submitting as drafts to Articles for Creation. You should consider communicating with User:Sandra Aceng, the creator of the draft in question, in order to avoid working on same topics in the future, because she too is creating articles about Ugandan politicians. David notMD (talk) 07:19, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

The state of Wikipedia as a nonpartisan encylopedia

IP: This is a question and answer forum for new users. If you have a question on our topic, we'll be happy to help. This is not a general discussion forum for en.wiki. That's found at WP:VP. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 01:55, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

find too many articles that have questionable stances in their topics. To provide an example, Artificial Intelligence is a very popular topic these days, and I find these articles irritating at the least and difficult to glean any useful information. There are so many impartial opinions inserted in these articles, even fake citations/broken links I won't go past the first page in reading.

Example pages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence

Problems here are uses of poorly defined terms with questionable citations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI-complete

The links provided are either so ancient they are literally only on the Internet Wayback Machine, or some junk website with inaccessible papers that have as far as I can tell, nothing to do with AI (something about frogs-tectums and maximum food). The person cited "Fanya Moltavo" does not seem to have anything to do with AI. With regards to the impartiality and the frequent use of non-existent-nothing-to-do-with-ai-female-oriented-topics just seems to me like a lot of pro-feminist malarky.

My own politics aside, I'd like to keep Wikipedia impartial.

I have donated good money in the past to help keep Wikipedia online. I am an educated individual, and I find Wikipedia to be a wonderful resource. I'll vote with my money if I have to. 71.32.50.78 (talk) 01:41, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Your threat to withdraw your money will not help your cause at all, for two reasons:
  • Wikipedia editors strive to be unbiased. They will not be influenced by bribery.
  • Nothing of your donations will go to the volunteer editors who are responsible for the articles. The money goes to the Wikimedia Foundation, whose objectives are different from, and sometimes contrary to, ours.
Maproom (talk) 07:23, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Editing

I want to add Thinus Alsworth-Elvey who is CEO: Sanlam Corporate to the list of executives. How do I do that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanlam JulieEtheridge (talk) 10:26, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

JulieEtheridge, do you have any source for the edit? If you do, I suggest reading WP:REQUEST, it tells you how to request an edit and have another editor fulfil it. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 10:40, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi JulieEtheridge and Berrely a good source is trivially easy to find, here is Bloomberg's profile of the CEO "Bloomberg - Thinus Alsworth-Elvey". www.bloomberg.com. Retrieved 18 April 2020. So I have done the update, other executives can be updated similarly. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:45, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

MiszaBot/ OneClickArchiver

Please assist me in correcting the error in my talk page that is making MiszaBot or one click archiver not to archive to the right archive counter in an orderly fashion i.e archive 1, archive 2.....☞ ʂ℘ųཞც (talk) 10:31, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Spurb: I tried my best to fix the error. Feel free to revert if you feel I did something wrong. Interstellarity (talk) 14:25, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Interstellarity,
Anti-Wikibullying Barnstar
Thanks very much! the one click archiver made me archive this thread erroneously earlier, so far I appreciate your guess worked ☞ ʂ℘ųཞც (talk) 12:09, 18 April 2020 (UTC)


Category question

I have an odd question because I see categories for both. What's the difference between Category:American women ambassadors vs. Category:American women diplomats? I thought an ambassador and diplomat were the same thing, no? Snickers2686 (talk) 16:49, 17 April 2020 (UTC) Snickers2686 (talk) 16:49, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Some people such as Eleanor Roosevelt were diplomats but not ambassadors. It's harder to justify discrepancies the other way round; perhaps more ambassadors such as Anne Armstrong should be added to the diplomat category. Certes (talk) 17:00, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi Snickers2686. Roughly speaking, an ambassador is the leader of a country's diplomats in another country. See more at Ambassador and Diplomat. There are usually many diplomats in the country so most diplomats are not ambassadors. Category:American women diplomats only has 8% more members than Category:American women ambassadors but that's because ordinary diplomats usually aren't notable enough to have an article. Category:Ambassadors of the United States is a subcategory of Category:American diplomats. For some reason, Category:American women ambassadors is not currently a subcategory of Category:American women diplomats. The former is only two months old so the connection was probably just overlooked by the creator Postcard Cathy. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:01, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
I can’t remember why I didn’t put it there. But if someone else feels it should, feel free to add an ambassador category to the larger diplomat category.

But yes, there is a difference between a diplomat and an ambassador. A consul general is a diplomat, but not an ambassador. Hilary Clinton as Secretary of State, AFAIK, was never an ambassador so she would be listed as a diplomat and not an ambassador. Postcard Cathy (talk) 01:07, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Snickers2686: Ambassadors are a type of diplomat. It seems that Category:American women ambassadors should be in (i.e., a sub-category of) Category:American women diplomats.

I'll note that both of the categories that Category:American women ambassadors is in (Category:Women ambassadors and Category:Ambassadors of the United States) are themselves in the relevant diplomat categories (Category:Women diplomats and Category:American diplomats, respectively).

Also, siblings are done this way. E.g., Category:British women ambassadors is in Category:British women diplomats; Category:Australian women ambassadors is in Category:Australian women diplomats. This means that the female ambassador articles need only be in the more specific "* women ambassadors" category, and not in the "* women diplomats" category.

@Postcard Cathy and PrimeHunter: I was about to put Category:American women ambassadors in Category:American women diplomats but before doing so, it occurred to me there might be a defined process for doing this, so that the articles that are in both categories have the less-specific Category:American women diplomats removed from them (right?). Is there a bot to do this? I spot-checked a few British and Australian ambassador articles and found all but one article in both categories, even though the ambassador category is not marked non-diffusing. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 12:44, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Guessing this is a separate topic?

Australia, Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico and Papua New Guinea are not belong to Intercontinental and Trans Oceanic fixed links because this countries are too far away from the mainland continents. Aldrin Orlanes Politico (talk) 01:00, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Aldrin Orlanes Politico: I think you may have been trying to reach another talk page. The Teahouse is for new editors to ask for help using Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:51, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
@Aldrin Orlanes Politico: I see you had already posted at Talk:Intercontinental and transoceanic fixed links. You'll need to wait a while (perhaps three days) for someone to respond. You might also better explain your specific objection. If there is no response, you might post at WT:TRANSPORT (and remember to provide a wikilink to the article you are talking about – [[Intercontinental and transoceanic fixed links]]). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 13:15, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Vertical lines in Wikipedia charts

Hi, I am trying to plot a graph using Template:Graph:Chart, is there a way to draw vertical and horizontal lines(Not the grid) parallel to axes? Timbaaa (talk) 09:57, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Timbaaa: Not that I can see in the docs, but I haven't used it. Try Template talk:Graph:Chart for a more technical and specific audience. If you don't get an answer there after 3 days or so, try WP:VPT. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 13:51, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
@AlanM1: I shall give some more time here and try in template talk. Timbaaa (talk) 13:57, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Can i write a biography for a famous person?

The Biography Master THEBIOGRAPHYMASTER (talk) 06:23, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, THEBIOGRAPHYMASTER. Your username makes a very bold claim, and in all capital letters too! If the "famous" person is also notable, then you can write a biography, as long as you follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Please read and study Your first article, and follow the excellent advice you will find there. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:40, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Your draft Draft:Nikka Starr has been declined three times, and then rejected. You have submitted it a fifth time. It will be rejected again, because now the only refs for this proposed Wikipedia article are other Wikipedia articles, which is forbidden. In all likelihood the draft will also be deleted because you are repeatedly submitting it without addressing the reasons the reviewers declined it. Me being snarky: it appears you cannot write a biography of a famous person. David notMD (talk) 14:06, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

how do i fix references "Geothermal discovery on West Coast", see es:Virginia Toy

i did ask previously about how to resolve the issue. perhaps this is original source. another website has exactly same content. i was earlier in same situation on english wiki and failed to provide all available info. how do i resolve this ? Leela52452 (talk) 14:11, 18 April 2020 (UTC) any OTHER suggestion or critique is preferred here

Ortega Times is the original publishing of the story and The Country is a reprinting (presumably, with permission). Cite the first and ignore the second. David notMD (talk) 14:17, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Need help in creating a new Wikipedia entry for the Salisbury Symphony (Salisbury NC)

I have edited Wikipedia articles before, but I find it incredibly difficult to understand how to create a new entry from scratch. I am looking for someone to assist me by setting up an entry for my employer, the nonprofit Salisbury Symphony of Salisbury, North Carolina. Much of the material necessary has been posted on their website. I will be happy to update and correct once the basic layout is set up. Thank you!

Bill Bucher, Jr. Executive Director 24.74.156.179 (talk) 13:49, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bill, and welcome to the Teahouse. Creating a new article is very difficult. It is much more difficult creating an article about yourself or something you are closely connected with, mostly because it is so difficult to write neutrally: things that look perfectly straightforward to you may seem promotional to others.
So, if you are going to do it:
  1. You must make a formal declaration of your status as a paid editor. You really need to create an account to do this effectively (and be aware that an account must be personal to you, not shared, and must not have a name which suggests that it is editing on behalf of an organisation).
  2. You are very strongly advised to use the Articles for creation process, and create a draft which you will then submit for review.
  3. You should realise that the article you create will not belong to you, and you and the orchestra will have no control over its contents: your involvement once it has been accepted should be limited to suggesting changes on the article's talk page.
  4. You need to understand that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what any subject says about themselves (still less on what they wish to say about themselves); so almost nothing from their website is in any way relevant to a Wikipedia article about them. (If they reproduce on their website material which has been previously written and published wholly independently of them - for example, reviews in major newspapers, then this material can be cited and paraphrased in the article, but it should be cited to the original publication, not to the non-independent one.
If, given this, you still wish to go ahead, you should start by reading your first article, and follow it up with WP:NMUSIC and WP:PROUD. --ColinFine (talk) 14:31, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Updating outdated trade league table.

I have a keen interest in the economy and trade between nations. I often refer to a Wikipedia article “List of Countries by net trade”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_exports

I noticed the information was getting quite out of date and took it upon me to update it.

Unfortunately the source data itself from the CIA worldbook is itself two years out of date.

I managed to download their import and export world tables, their GDP growth table and combined the two To arrive at net exports and sorted the table.

I wrote a clever excel formula to Create exactly the same Wiki table entries.

I cut and pasted them into the wiki edit page.

The result looks ok

The new table has more countries and a few did not have a valid flag lookup.

I’d like someone to look over my work and I’d like to share the Excel formula that produces a wiki table from a spreadsheet

Could be quite useful for similar tables that require annual updates.

Regards user Marcus Lasance 83.200.151.190 (talk) 11:49, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Marcus. Thank you for wanting to improve Wikipedia. Unfortunately, it sounds to me as if the work you are doing is original research, and not acceptable for Wikipedia. The problem is that if a random user next week or next year wants to use the data but be sure it is accurate (eg hasn't been vandalised) they must be able to find a reliable source for the data (preferably, a source cited in the Wikipedia article, though that isn't compulsory). But your work could not be cited to a source, because you are combining information from separate places. --ColinFine (talk) 12:48, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Colin, Can't say I agree with your comments. None of the data is my original research. Each column has a footnote that takes you straight to the original published information. In this case the CIA world fact book. It's just that the CIA publication has a separate page for Exports and imports What the article does is subtract one from the other in a wiki sortable table. Remember the article is three years old and I did not write it. I just updated the data. Regards Marcus Lasancmt (talk) 13:40, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Lasancmt: ColinFine is giving you the correct advice here. We do not publish items that have been manipulated by editors, even if it's a simple subtraction of one set of numbers from another. See WP:OR. If your net import/export table had been published in a magazine or journal that would be fine. Wikipedia itself is not a publishing platform. You can argue this all you like, but it's a core principle of Wikipedia.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 13:51, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
I sympathise with Lasancmt. He's being told that out-of-date trivially-original research is acceptable, but current trivially-original research is not. If that's a correct interpretation of a WP policy, then that policy is crazy. Maproom (talk) 14:07, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
ThatMontrealIP, re: even if it's a simple subtraction of one set of numbers from another—that seems at odds with the WP:CALC section of WP:OR which says that Routine calculations do not count as original research, provided there is consensus among editors that the result of the calculation is obvious, correct, and a meaningful reflection of the sources. Obviously consensus can change, but it seems that for a long time it's been accepted on that page that subtracting imports from exports satisfies the proviso given. YorkshireLad  ✿  (talk) 14:12, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I sympathise as well, Maproom. Others may disagree with my interpretation. But the second sentence of SYNTHESIS reads "Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source". Can a derived table be called a "conclusion"? I don't know. Lasancmt, perhaps you'd like to ask at NORN and see if the consensus agrees with me or not. --ColinFine (talk) 14:14, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
ColinFine, It's perhaps worth noting that exactly this debate about the article was started on its talk page shortly after its creation, subsequent to a contested WP:PROD. The discussion was closed three years later with no consensus. YorkshireLad  ✿  (talk) 14:19, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
My understanding is that simple math (subtracting one column from the other), to create a value that is an accepted term in the normally accepted way (as is net exports), is ok per WP:CALC. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:39, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Having said that, and now looked at the table, it seems a little different to me when the component values (exports and imports) are not shown in the table. Does that cross the line into WP:SYNTH because it's no longer simple math on already presented/cited data? The %GDP might suffer the same, since the GDP isn't shown. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:48, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
As my math teachers in school used to say, show your work. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:03, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
I am pretty sure that when WP:CALC says Routine calculations, it means one or two calculations on a page, not few dozen. The examples given (age calculations etc) point to that conclusion as well.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:19, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
@ThatMontrealIP: It also says "converting units", which is routinely used hundreds of times in tables. Not that it's a good argument (per WP:OSE) so I won't list them, but we've got examples of calculations in various fields that at least demonstrate a consensus that they can be OK. Economics is not my field, but I've a feeling this would seem usual and uncontroversial to an economist. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:27, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Yes, but to be fair, converting units is a mathematical operation performed on one source. For example, a routine calculation of miles per hour to kn/h. What we are talking about here is math on two sources to produce a third number: original research.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:16, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Marcus again, Let's not lose sight that the original article was published some years ago and not by me. Because it has the form of a league table "countries by...",these lists can evoke emotional discussions. You may have noticed one anonymous person, who I can only assume was a MAGA supporter, took it upon them to completely delete China and by changing the minus to a plus in front of its trade deficit, put USA on the top instead of the bottom! I could fix that with a simple 'undo'.
I have a passion and made a career out of automatic data-synchronisaton of Slave information from trusted Master sources. See the Wiki article on Maxware. Woudn't folk agree that it could be a benefit if table information in wikipedia articles could safely and securely be updated from agreed trusted public sources like in the UK the Office for National Statistics or about EU from Eurostat? My excel formula would make that a lot simpler. You could even used embedded SQL and change log triggers. I am probably getting ahead of myself now, so I shall stop. Just one thing. Someone suggested it was not visible to see the source data. That's not true. If you click on the references embedded in the column header, it takes you straight to the source. Anyone can check that the net exports of country A is indeed the subtraction of its imports from its exports on the source information.Lasancmt (talk) 10:10, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
@ThatMontrealIP: This definitely exists elsewhere on Wikipedia, for instance on List of countries and dependencies by population density. The areas and populations are obtained from various sources (annoyingly, the article doesn't cite a source for areas, which it definitely should, but it's definitely different from the source for population). The population density is then calculated (within the Wikitext) by dividing one by the other. The difference on that article is that the component figures used for the calculation are not given, but nobody seems to have argued on that talk page that the division itself constitutes original research.
For what it's worth, adding numbers in WP:CALC to me implies that calculations with two different numbers from a source can be performed—there aren't many examples of converting units or similar where a constant that didn't need sourcing would be added to perform the conversion. Similarly, the example you give of calculating ages (e.g. ages at death) requires that sort of thing, since the birth and death dates aren't necessarily from even the same source. YorkshireLad  ✿  (talk) 15:18, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Problem with references

sorry for the trivial question, but I'm new and still learning. on the last page that I am creating, I just entered the references, but this error appears to me "Cite error: The named reference :5 was invoked but never defined (see the help page)"

can anyone help me with the page? I need to fix it. Thanks Anuarsalhi (talk) 15:34, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Anuarsalhi: Hi I have cleaned up the page. The problem was the multiple ref names that you had put in at various points. The incorrect ref makeup was triggering the text that you were concerned about. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 15:47, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Advice sought to solve minor editing war on living person

This query is about this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbie_Boyd and the last sentence in the opening text which reads: Boyd is a follower of the cult known as Universal Medicine [1]

The problem: An editor (Mramoeba) rewrote the page towards the end of last year. The final sentence is not substantiated by the reference given. The comment contravenes the guidance to make sure anything written about a living person is true and accurate. Moreover, it is causing anguish to the subject of the page. This resulted in him reaching out to me, knowing I updated the page with his new releases, asking if I could remove the sentence. I have tried to remove it but Mramoeba instantly restores it.

I should perhaps point out I have absolutely no conflict of interest regarding either the person the page is about or the organisation mentioned in the sentence under discussion.


So the Question is: How can I remove an untrue comment about a living person and not have someone immediately restore it. Kath Atkinson (talk) 14:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Kath Atkinson On WP, discussion on the article's talkpage is a good place to start. I removed the sentence myself, since as you say, the ref didn't back the statement (unless it was supposed to be in the audio somewhere), and even if it did, it wasn't a BLP-good source (WP:BLOGS). Mramoeba, do you wish to comment? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:59, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
The edits were reversed because the editor in question stated they were editing at the request of the individual. I left an explanatory note on their talk page explaining why this kind of edit was a problem and invited them to go to the talk page or submit the edit to myself or any other editor who would be happy to assist. The editor is a single topic editor who appears to have created a page for a person with whom they are closely connected which, before being heavily edited, was essentially a puff piece of advertising, sourced mainly with primary sources. Mramoeba (talk) 16:21, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, Kath Atkinson, and welcome to the Teahouse. Untrue statements about living people should be removed immediately if they are not referenced to reliable sources. You refer, I assume, to the insertion made with this diff, added in Aug 20219 by Themotorcycleboyreigns (a seemingly single purpose editor on Universal Medicine and related topics)? It was subsequently reinserted by Mramoeba.
At first view, I tended to see your point (never having heard of that particular cult) nor saw anything specific on the cited page (bar the page title, of course). But then I listened to the Soundcloud interview with Boyd where, after 12 minutes in, he clearly indicates his involvement as a 'Student of the Livingness' and his impressions of Serge (Benhayon), founder of the cult you mention. Note that the interview was also tagged with Universal Medicine. Now, normally, I wouldn't advocate some privately produced blog of this type should be used to cast aspersions about someone's beliefs or influences, but here we have the musician themself stating them in an audio recording. He might have been making it up, of course. But I would advocate leaving in the statement you and Boyd would like to see deleted. Indeed, I would probably reinstate it myself if I saw it blanked. That said, I would possibly consider changing the wording to be a little less accusative. Whilst I would need to more carefully interpret the interview before committing changes to an article, something along the line of Boyd has been interviewed, stating he has been influenced by ideas of the cult of Universal Medicine and lives his life as a 'Student of the Livingness'. How does that sound to you?
Finally, I would point out that it is clear you have actually been in contact with Boyd on more than one occasion since you created the page about him back in 2014. There is nothing wrong in contacting an artist to seek a photo from them, but that relationship does need to be declared, as was pointed out to you back in November 2019 by Mramoeba. Overlooking to clarify any relationship does make other editors ask whether you might be seeking to edit out certain, now unfavourable, content that the subject has explicitly asked you to remove for them.
It has taken me a while to reply as I did take my time to listen to the interview, and feel that Gråbergs Gråa Sång, whilst acting in good faith, might have been a little too hasty, and I would advocate adding back in something along the lines I have suggested above. (I am happy for anyone to copy my reply over to the talk page of the article in question, if they wish to.). Nick Moyes (talk) 16:25, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
The wording which the original edit (not my edit) used was consistent with the wiki page which states “ Universal Medicine (UniMed) (UM) is "a socially harmful cult" founded and led by Serge Benhayon” so I didn’t editorialise that specific sentence. I was more concerned at the time with removing the advertising. Mramoeba (talk) 16:32, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Nick Moyes has a good point (which wont surprise anyone), it's a WP:ABOUTSELF vs WP:DUE thing. If reinserted, I'd suggest using Template:Cite AV media with quote and time. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:40, 18 April 2020 (UTC)


References

  1. ^ Cue, Gayle. "Interviews with Students of The Way of The Livingness". Fieryservice.com.

Embryo image

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Can you obtain my mask? thumb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Doushantou_Embryo_Yinetal2007.jpg Noctiferno (talk) 16:54, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Noctiferno: Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question about Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:03, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Use of bold for contributing properties in NRHP article

I am performing a GA review of Downtown Ossining Historic District and have a question about use of bold for contributing properties in this section of a NRHP article: Downtown Ossining Historic District § Significant contributing properties.

From MOS:BOLD, it does not appear as if the titles of contributing properties should be bolded, but perhaps it is ok because they are subsets of the historic district (i.e., fall under criteria for the article title).

Is it okay to use boldface in this instance? If not, is there another appropriate method to call out the article titles (emphasis mentioned in MOS:BOLD doesn't seem right for this instance)?

Your input is very much appreciated! –CaroleHenson (talk) 20:05, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, CaroleHenson. That's a very interesting question. Personally, I'm OK with seeing the use of bold in just the section at Downtown_Ossining_Historic_District#Significant_contributing_properties . That said, I don't think the use of bold here conforms to our Manual of Style. I would expect bold to be used only if the items were synonyms, but here they are just tiny subsets of the whole, so I wouldn't interpret bold as being ok. I'd suggest that the bullet points on their own serve as suitable seperators, and that emboldening should go. See National Register of Historic Places listings in northern Westchester County, New York for a vaguely equivalent article that doesn't use bold. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:51, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Excellent feedback, thanks Nick Moyes.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
@CaroleHenson: You might also get more feedback at WT:MOS. See if it's been discussed there previously, too (there's a search box). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:50, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, AlanM1, I will check it out.–CaroleHenson (talk) 12:31, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
This is typically Wikipedia. Vague policies etc. The purpose of the vague policies is so we can be flexible. Have no clue on the applicable policy, but my (and others) standard practice has been to only bold phrases where the bolded phrase is the title of a redirect to that page. John from Idegon (talk) 18:14, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Conflicting Sources Regarding Film Premiere Date

I'm in the process of creating an article about the film "A Day in Black and White" (draft sandbox), but there seems to be some discrepancy regarding the film's premiere date. IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes both indicate the premiere date as being August 31st, 2001, stating it premiered at the Africa in the Picture Film Festival. However, I have multiple RS (here and here) indicating it was shown at SXSW in March 1999, and the film's trailer indicates it was "written and directed for HBO" and premiered on that network in February 2001. I would assume the SXSW showing would constitute the premiere date for Infoxbox purposes, but I would like a second opinion. Thanks in advance. - Brother Bulldog (talk) 11:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@Brother Bulldog: At WP:FILMRELEASE, it says to use the earliest date specifically including film festivals and excluding things like sneak previews and screenings. The Variety article seems like a reasonable cite to use for a premiere of March 1999 at SXSW. You might also try asking at WT:FILM, where the film buffs might have experience with these situations where a film has a long gap between production and finding distribution. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:04, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
@AlanM1: Thank you for the response. That was my read of the situation as well, but I will ask at WT:FILM. I appreciate the input. - Brother Bulldog (talk) 18:38, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Translation Cleanup- Keep Sources?

Resolved
 – Direct translation with original sources are allowed (English preferred per WP:NONENG); suggestion to acknowledge where content is from in edit summaries or putting {{Translated page}} on the article's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:42, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Very new to Wikipedia. I recently cleaned up the translation of a Spanish-to-English page Maria Eugenia Suarez and added multiple paragraphs that were included in the Spanish page but not the English one. So far everything I've done is direct translation, since I don't want to get into the weeds of the many Wikipedia standards for adding new content. So with the added paragraphs, I'm wondering if I can copy the (Spanish-language) citations over as well? Carla.Abra (talk) 23:53, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

You are absolute allowed to use reliable sources in Spanish, though we prefer English-language sources if they exist. --MrClog (talk) 00:04, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
In your edit summaries for the addition of citations acknowledge where the info is from. David notMD (talk) 00:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
@Carla.Abra: Note that each Wikipedia project (in each language) has its own standards, and enwiki is among the more strict as far as source reliability and notability. The fact that an article exists on another Wikipedia does not give it any special waiver of enwiki standards when it is translated and created here – it should comply just like any other new article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:00, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you all! Your comments are very helpful. Carla.Abra (talk) 02:23, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Carla.Abra: InterWiki translation is really valuable work. The more multilingual editors there are, the better! A couple of points in addition to what others have already said:
If you translate from another language into English as you did with Maria Eugenia Suarez, it's best practice to add a {{translated page}} template to the Talk Page of the English article. That way, the original Spanish-speaking editor gets due credit.
There are some useful links to browse towards the bottom of that template, which might give you some ideas.
{{Interlanguage link}} ({{ill}} for short) is really useful if there's a bluelink in the original but a redlink in English. I've added a couple of them to Maria Eugenia Suarez so that you can see how it's done. They point to useful information, and can encourage editors to translate whole articles.
If you get the courage to translate a whole article, be sure to make an InterWiki link using the Languages/Edit links tool in the left-hand column. There's a good example in Maria Eugenia Suarez, where the articles in 14 languages are linked together.
Happy editing! Narky Blert (talk) 18:26, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Carla.Abra, all of the helpful comments above, including the use of the {{Translated page}} template, are recommendations based on Wikipedia guidelines, or policy. However, there is one thing that nobody mentioned, that is required by Wikipedia's licensing requirements, and is not optional. When translating material from an article on another language Wikipedia, attribution must "be given to all users involved in creating and altering the content of a page". The way to do this, is to add an attribution statement in the edit summary of each edit where you added translated content. You can find a model attribution statement you can copy, here. If you neglected to provide attribution for a prior edit which included translated material, you can still add the attribution after the fact: please see WP:RIA for details. I do a lot of translations, and if you have any questions, you're welcome to contact me on my Talk page. Mathglot (talk) 18:41, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

How to add links with Twinkle

Can anyone tell me if it's possible, and if it is where, external links can be added if one has Twinkle enabled? I've looked at everything and don't see an option that allows for creating weblinks. thanks. ToeFungii (talk) 18:23, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ToeFungii. I don't see anythign in WP:Twinkle/doc referring to external links. Frankly, I would be very surprised to find that there because 1) Twinkle is a tool for managing and curating Wikipedia, not for generating content; 2) there really isn't much to adding external links: it's either URL or [URL text]; and 3) WP:external links are something that tend to be discouraged, rather than encouraged, apart from certain specified purposes and contexts. --ColinFine (talk) 18:41, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm an idiot. I meant to do a reference/cite. Fighting a horrible headache at the moment and my brain went crazy. I see at the bottom right it has cite your sources, but when i click on it i can't figure out how to do a cite. sorry for the confusion.ToeFungii (talk) 18:46, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Do accusations belong in an article?

I came across this revert where an ip had deleted accusations of sexual harassment. They haven't been confirmed, so is it undue weight to leave it in? I reverted it once, but after another removal now I'm unsure. Lcodyh803 (talk) 17:31, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Lcodyh803, and welcome to Teahouse! Unsourced allegations do not belong in Wikipedia articles; however, after reviewing the article before the edit it looks like the information provided was documenting the accusations reported at secondary sources rather than making accusations directly, and the tone of the writing was appropriately neutral. Regardless, there is clearly some controversy regarding its inclusion, so rather than engaging in an edit war, I'd suggest going to the article's talk page and try to engage in a discussion of the issue there to move towards consensus. Happy editing! - Brother Bulldog (talk) 18:58, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Waiting for my page to be approved for publication

I've now made multiple changes and corrections in line with the helpful input from various Wiki editors to my Lucien Thévet page, which is basically an English translation of the page created on Wikipedia.fr by his daughter, Françoise Thévet, based on her father's archives. Can we now go ahead and get the English version published? What else do I have to do to make that happen? Corniste6367 (talk) 19:40, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Your Draft:Lucien Thévet has not been submitted for review you need to click the large "submit" link. Theroadislong (talk) 19:46, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Franklin Brownell

Franklin Brownell entry footnote

i want to do a footnote of the book cited in red Joan arden murray (talk) 19:06, 18 April 2020 (UTC) Joan arden murray (talk) 19:06, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Joan arden murray, and welcome to Teahouse! It looks like you're having trouble citing your source properly. This template should help. If you need any more advice, feel free to contact me at my talk page. Happy editing! - Brother Bulldog (talk) 19:10, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
@Joan arden murray: Before you try to add any more references, please may I invite you either to read WP:REFBEGIN which is, ostensibly, a guide for beginners - or read these even simpler notes which I wrote to try to achieve the same goal: WP:EASYREFBEGIN. I can't tell whether, when you added "...where with sparkling colour and light, he depicted local inhabitants", these were your words and views, or those of the source you were citing. If the former, please remove all personal opinion. If the latter, do use the 'cite book' template mentioned above to source that statement. But a much easier way is to simply fill in the cite book template which you can select from either of our two editing tools. My guide will explain how you do that, irrespective of whether you are using Source Editor or Visual Editor. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:58, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Help Creating Wiki Page

I Am Creating A Wiki Page For The Brand Twizm Whyte PIece Draft:Twizm Whyte Piece. Recently The Page was Denied for A Couple Of Reason A Few being just Simple Typing Edits. To be honest We Just Need help Understanding. Is There Anyone Who Can Help Us Understand How To Put Together The Correct Information. We Have Been Denied For Photo Copyright When It Is Our photo that We own. We Have been Denied For Failure To Show Facts but Have Provided Multiple Sources Regarding Twizm Whyte Piece Spoanning Yrs the Only Way An Independent Artist Can become Validated Is Thru Taking The steps For Validity And Verification And Wikipedia Is one Of Them We Created Our Page Exactly Like The HalfLives Page. Yet we Keep being Denied Please help !!! TwpFcr247 (talk) 16:13, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@TwpFcr247: Please don't capitalize every single word. It's unreadable. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:21, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Problem for which I expect you will be blocked until remedied is that your User name TwpFcr247 is same as Piece's company. And please clarify whether your relationship is COI (declared on your User page) or PAID. David notMD (talk) 16:33, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello, TwpFcr247, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a basic misunderstanding of Wikipedia. Your remark "And Wikipedia Is one Of Them" is 100% wrong. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for validating, verifying, or promoting any company, brand, or product. It does not work as part of your online presence, because you will have zero control over what it may say about you. Promotion or any kind is forbidden on Wikipedia. If at any time Wikipedia has an article about your brand, it will not be your article, you will not have control of its contents, you should not be editing it directly (you are encouraged to suggest changes, but that will be only suggestions), it will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and it will not be based on anything that you or your company say about your brand, but only on what people who have no connection with your brand have chosen to publish about it (and been published by reputable publishers). Please read An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. --ColinFine (talk) 18:30, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
  • TwpFcr247, please understand this. Your idiosyncratic writing style has got to go. This is a formal document read by English speaking people from many countries. Idiomatic English is difficult enough for users from different cultures. Whatever standard for writing you are following is difficult enough for an American English speaker to follow. I doubt a person in Kuwait or Taiwan would have a clue. In addition to Standard English, we have our own style guide at WP:MOS. I realize that style is accepted in modern music literature. It isn't here. John from Idegon (talk) 21:57, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Languages of Arben Ristani

Hi, I decided to remove a language (Urdu) from Arben Ristani - see my edit. English and French were added in revision 430037093 I think, but the reference doesn't seem to work and my Albanian is weak. Trawling through the history, other languages have been added there apparently randomly, until someone removes them. Can anyone check if the page is now accurate with regards to the sentence on languages? Thanks, I'm new! 314WPlay (talk) 13:04, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

314WPlay, I am not sure why the languages info needs to be included at all. Neither it is that being multilingual is a pertinent characteristic of his profession, nor is speaking two languages particularly impressive in itself. Regards!
P.S. You can be WP:BOLD in your editing, I like that you used a detailed edit summary in that edit; to discuss improvements to an article, just leave a note at the article's talk page explaining your concerns, and steps you have taken or intend to take, and wait for someone to hopefully answer. If a WikiProject is active, usually posting there is likely to illicit quicker responses. For example, WP:WikiProject Albania is where you should expect to find editors who speak Albanian or are more capable of checking the accuracy of your edit; the talk page there doesn't seem very active though. Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

False and Defamatory statements that are legally libellous.

I endeavoured to remove an entry on my wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Day_(Canadian_writer) under Criticism Entry. I am the “living person” and author and the entry violates Wikipedia’s Contentious material about living persons ... especially if potentially libellous or harmful and its own basic Five Pillars principles on multiple levels, but specifically “It is also not a soapbox… or a battleground to debate controversial issues.” It is also contains multiple false and defamatory statements that are legally libelous, as they “cause harm to my reputation and livelihood” as an author.

Please note: aside from stating a number of (false) opinions – not facts – about my writing, the two quotations by the Tolkien “experts” are self-published authors whose own books are in direct competition with my books.


KingoftheWoods (talk) 20:55, 18 April 2020 (UTC) KingoftheWoods (talk) 20:55, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

  • This isn't a matter for Teahouse. Please file a report at WP:BLPN. I'd strongly suggest you not throw around terms like libel. First, we have no way to know you are who you claim to be. You're just a username on the internet. Second we have a policy about threats of legal action. See WP:NLT. Either you are going to bring legal action or you are going to edit here. Not both. John from Idegon (talk) 21:29, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
    • That being said, since you've posted this, the article has been protected to prevent new editors and IP editors from editing it, and some experienced editors have reviewed and edited it. John from Idegon (talk) 21:41, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
  • I gave the "criticisms" section a little trim, as one part was sourced to Reddit and Youtube. I posted a discussion item on the section on the article talk page.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 21:43, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
    • Likewise, I've added some info and references, deleted lots of duplicate mentions of his books and I do have concerns about the reliability of fanzine based criticism appearing in Wikipedia articles without substantiation from more reliable sources. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:30, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
  • UPDATE: The 'Criticism' section of this article has now been deleted on the grounds of unreliable sources being used in a WP:BLP. See discussion here. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:49, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
  • KingoftheWoods, I am sorry that multiple editors seem to have restored that content without more accessibly addressing the reasons provided in your removal, indeed without any edit summaries at all, but they did leave warning templates on your talk pages; so that's where you should have engaged with them on the issue. There were three editors tag-teaming to remove that content; please note our sockpuppetry policy. Using multiple accounts, except in limited circumstances, will result in a block from editing. I am not reporting this for now; please choose one editing account and abandon the rest. Also, the sources used in the article do not aid in establishing notability of the subject with regard to the Wikipedia-specific criteria (This is not a comment on the real-world notability of the subject, simply a consideration with regard to what is pre-requisite to writing a decent encyclopedic article on any subject). Please review our conflict-of-interest editing policy, then use the talk page of the article to suggest improvements to the article; most helpful would be if you could supply references to significant coverage about the author in reliable, independent, secondary sources. Without such sources, the article is likely to be deleted. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:54, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft to Page

I have just made Draft:Edward J. O'Donnell after a half of week of research about the man. How does it become a Wikipedia page? Does it need to be approved? This is my first Wikipedia article so I don't know everything yet about the site, just how to make and edit an article. Halsey1237 (talk) 04:16, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Halsey1237, the draft is in the queue for review (you might have done that after you posted here), which takes anywhere between minutes and months. Since this is a fairly well-written article with the case for notability easy to evaluate, it is likely to be reviewed quicker than most. I advise patience either way; reviewers are volunteers too, and review what interests them. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 07:12, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Poof! It's an article. Congratulations on your first article, one of the harder tasks in Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 11:11, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Adding non-free images to an article

As I know, it is not possible to add non-free fair use images to Wikipedia draft article. How can add it later after the review? Is the process standard or will it require some specific approach? 46.48.203.24 (talk) 07:38, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP 46.48.203.24. You can find out more information about non-free content at WP:NFC and WP:NFCC, but whether you can do such a thing depends upon what type of image it is, which “article” you want to use it in and how you intend to use it. Another thing to consider is whether it’s an existing image already uploaded to Wikipedia or whether you intended to upload a new image. If you know any or all of those things, you can try asking for help a WP:MCQ. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:56, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

would this be accepted?

I want to make an article about Liverpool's 4–0 win over FC Barcelona last season. As it was a major game, being Liverpool's biggest ever comeback in the UCL, and the biggest ever semi-final comeback. Would like to know others thoughts. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 11:23, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi REDMAN 2019. You might want to ask about this at WT:FOOTY. While it seems possible to create an article about a single game, it seems more likely that content about the game can certainly be added to another article or other articles. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:45, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip I'll raise the subject at WP:FOOTY REDMAN 2019 (talk) 12:00, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Uploading Pictures on Biography Pages

I am trying to add a photo to a biography I am trying to update for someone but can't seem to figure out how to do that? I am looking on similar styled bios but can't seem to figure out? Any help or direction to the answer would be appreciated. Jake Kills (talk) 00:30, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Jake Kills. Did you take the photo yourself or did you find it somewhere online? If you took the photo yourself, then you are most likely going to be considered the copyright holder of the photo and as long as you agree to release the photo under a file copyright license that the Wikimedia Foundation accepts (as explained in Wikipedia:Copyrights#Guidelines for images and other media files), you should be able to upload the file to Wikimedia Commons using the Commons' upload wizard as explained in c:Commons:Licensing and Wikipedia:Image use policy#Identifying usable images. If you didn't take the photo yourself, then you cannot upload it to Commons without the explicit consent of the person who did or the person who owns the copyright on the photo as explained in c:Commons:OTRS#If you are NOT the copyright holder. Sometimes at can be tricky figuring out who the copyright holder of a photo you see online is because the website hosting the photo is often not the copyright holder of the photo; it just took the photo from somewhere else. You have given the name of the article where you want to use the photo or provided a link to the photo you want to use; so, it's hard to give you a more specific answer than above. If you can provide more specific information about the photo you want to use and where you want to use it at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions, someone should be able to help you sort things out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:44, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Figured it out through your links - thank you! (Jake Kills (talk) 15:15, 19 April 2020 (UTC))

Regarding links

There are many links in each Wikipedia page. The problem is if I click a hyperlink I want to come back to that hyperlink. But in your case cursor automatically goes to the subtitle at the top and I again have to scroll down till I reach the link I clicked. It's terribly inconvenient and I would be happy if you changed your source code a bit. 27.5.204.221 (talk) 07:34, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

That's not what my browser (Chrome, running on Windows 10) does. It takes me back to where I was before I clicked the hyeperlink. So I don't think the problem is with Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 08:17, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm not experiencing this problem either (also Chrome on Windows 10). You could try asking at WP:VPT. What kind of browser and OS are you using? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

How to share my sandbox draft with a friend so they can give me feedback

I have finished a rough draft of an article in my sandbox that I would like to show a friend to get their opinion. How do I do this? thank you! 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lstormb/sandbox/Richard_Murray Lstormb (talk) 17:35, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
@Lstormb: Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for wanting to add to it. If you just want to show your friend, then just give them the link as you have done here. If you want to submit it for review, then click the submit button at the top of the page. RudolfRed (talk) 17:44, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

FIRST TIME USER

I am a new user and just registered my account yesterday. I have an article to post that includes a picture and write-up (biography) but I am unable to create it. The article does not have references and the picture has no copyright license. Please kindly provide step by step guide on how to make my first post. Funmilola Olojotuyi (talk) 14:37, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Funmilola Olojotuyi Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. New users cannot directly create articles; you should use Articles for creation to create and submit a draft. Once your account is four days old and has 10 edits, you technically can create articles yourself, but this is not recommended unless you have extensive experience in article creation. Successfully writing a new Wikipedia article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia, and it is better to get feedback on a draft than on an article that is formally part of the encyclopedia. To save yourself grief, please use articles for creation. 331dot (talk) 14:59, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Can I upload a picture with my draft. If yes, how can I do this. Please note, the picture is a photograph of the subject of the article.

@Funmilola Olojotuyi: Wikipedia only allows images that fall into the four categories listed here. Assuming there is a copyright on it, the copyright holder (who is usually the photographer and not the subject) has to release it under a declaration of consent.
(Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:59, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Funmiloloa Olojotuyi. Welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. But I want to warn you that trying to upload an article which you have created without first understanding how Wikipedia operates is likely to be a frustrating and upsetting experience for you. Please read Your first article before you try it. Also, I may be guessing wrong, but often when somebody comes here as a new user wanting to upload an article, the article they are wanting to create is about themselves. If you are trying to create an article about yourself, please read autobiography, to understand why this is a very very bad idea. If it's not about yourself, you may be able to go ahead with it - but only if you first ascertain that the subject is notable. And, to be honest, worrying about a picture at this stage is like asking how to paint the walls when you haven't started learning how to build the house.
I believe that you will have a much more enjoyable experience with Wikipedia if you put your new article aside for a few weeks or months, and spend your time instead finding existing articles on subjects that interest you, that you can contribute to. --ColinFine (talk) 17:50, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Pinging Funmilola Olojotuyi}} with the right spelling this time. ColinFine (talk) 17:51, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Delete Tags on Eligible Vaibhav Choudhary

Vaibhav Choudhary he is an indian actor and he casting director and also doing some movies and someone delete that page. I request you to please it and resolve the issue, he also have IMDb profile. Therealstar (talk) 17:59, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Therealstar Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you disagree with the proposed deletion of the article, you are welcome to comment on the deletion discussion, linked to in the deletion notice on the article. If you have arguments as to why the article should be kept, preferably ones based in Wikipedia policy, please offer them there. Please understand that Wikipedia has certain notability criteria for actors, written at WP:NACTOR. Not every actor merits an article on Wikipedia. It currently appears that this person does not yet meet those criteria, but if you have information that is not mentioned, please offer it. 331dot (talk) 18:07, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Also note that merely having a IMDB profile is not part of the notability criteria. IMDB is not considered to be a reliable source here, as it is user-editable. 331dot (talk) 18:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Carlos Franzetti

Carlos Franzetti wilkipedia. Hi I’m Carlos Franzetti , the composer,arranger and pianist . I was trying to add data to the wilkipedia paga, like new recordings, awards etc and then they all disappear with some kind of message . Please revise what I wrote.71.127.209.178 (talk) 20:39, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Carlos. Please do not directly edit Wikipedia's article about you. You can find advice for what to do instead at WP:ABOUTYOU. --ColinFine (talk) 21:50, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Fair use picture status

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgii_Nelepp Please explain the status of the picture insert Fair use paperwork submitted Now what Opera Snob (talk) 02:19, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Opera Snob, the article you linked does not have any pictures. The ones that you had previously tried to add to it seem to have been deleted. So, I am unable to discern what files you are talking about. Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:41, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I have done a new upload with my fair use request. I would be very grateful for any help you could provide in processing my request. I have been trying to get the picture posted for a very long time. Thanks!Opera Snob (talk) 22:08, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Fair use picture status

I submitted new paperwork to get a picture used as illustration for the Georgi Nelepp article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgii_Nelepp The response said to revert the article to an earlier version. This has nothing to do with using the picture. The picture--in the new paperwork--still does not appear. Please help! I want the picture put up, per the fair use argument I presented in the last upload See the last upload. Opera Snob (talk) 21:04, 19 April 2020 (UTC) Opera Snob (talk) 21:04, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Opera Snob.  Done. I added the portrait to Georgii Nelepp. Your efforts on March 30 had incorrect syntax. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:17, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!!!!!!! This process is not for the faint of heart! Opera Snob (talk) 22:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Merge consensus

A discussion to merge a page has been going on for over a year with near universal support for the merger. What happens next? How are pages actually merged? Page is here. GPinkerton (talk) 00:53, 17 April 2020 (UTC) GPinkerton (talk) 00:53, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

GPinkerton: if the consensus is clear, any user (including involved users) may close the discussion by adding {{Discussion top|result=The result of this discussion was… . ~~~~}} to the top and {{Discussion bottom}} to the bottom. In addition, you can add {{Old merge full}} to the talk page of the source article. Then you can perform the merge by following these instructions. --MrClog (talk) 07:44, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
@MrClog: Thanks for the advice; I followed the steps but how can I get someone to look over the merged page and check it was done properly? There are a few issues with the merging of reference lists I'm unsure how to fix as well. GPinkerton (talk) 18:54, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
GPinkerton, I do not have great experience when it comes to merging, so it is probably best to ask someone to review the merge at the article's talk page. MrClog (talk) 22:36, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
@MrClog: Thanks! I think I managed most of it myself anyway. GPinkerton (talk) 23:07, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

just a question

Hi, how do you move without leaving a redirect? 🐔Chicdat ChickenDatabase 20:07, 19 April 2020 (UTC) 🐔Chicdat ChickenDatabase 20:07, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@Chicdat: You need page mover rights to be able to do that. See Wikipedia:Page_mover. If you don't have that user right, you may request the move at WP:RM RudolfRed (talk) 00:31, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Question from Firestar9990

how do I add links to other websites? and how do I cite things?-firestar9990 Firestar9990 (talk) 05:44, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

@Firestar9990: Hi there, you can link to another site by adding a single bracket around your link. If you put a space after the URL, you can create a hyperlink. So something like [http://en.wikipedia.org this] will show up like this. Citing things is a little more complicated; you'll want to read up on how to use ref tags and cite templates at Help:Referencing for beginners. If you want to learn more about Wikitext in general, take a look at Help:Wikitext. Cheers, bibliomaniac15 06:00, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
@Firestar9990: If you find our normal ‘referencing for beginners’ guide a bit confusing, do take a look at this guidance page that I’ve put together for new editors struggling to understand how to add references. Do note that links to other websites must not go in the main body of an article. They’re fine being used in an ‘External links’ section, and in talk pages. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:15, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
@Firestar9990: Well, some limited use of links is fine in an external links section. We try to avoid creating a link farm. Each external link has to have a reasonable justification for being included. See WP:EL for details. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:12, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi, @Firestar9990:. If you mean citing website link as a reference, you can use the Cite button (Ctrl+Shift+K) in the Visual Editing interface. Just copy and paste it in the Automatic tab and it will generate the citation for you. Regards, Darwin Naz (talk) 00:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Renca Folklore Puntano

How do I insert the above bibliographic reference about "Renca" in Wikipedia? This monograph treats the folkloric habits and customs of the Renca inhabitants who are known regionally as "Putanos". The book was published by the Instituto Nacional de Filologia y Folklore ---Anexo a la Academia Argentina de Letras ---Buenos Aires, 1958. The results were collected by a staff of six under the direction of Professor Augusto Raul Cortazar. -- Robert E. Dietz 174.28.64.131 (talk) 23:07, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

There's no bibliographic reference above your post. If you're asking about how to format referencing for a book, you may want to take a look at {{cite book}}. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:05, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Moving New Draft to Mainspace

How can I check the status of a new page I created called "WangShui"? I created the draft a while ago and am wondering when or how it will be moved to the mainspace? Thank you Fv3000 (talk) 22:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:WangShui. At Help, you were given instruction on how to submit your draft. However, if you do, it will be declined. Your first and third refs are interviews with the artist. Your only other ref us the artist's website. None of these are accepted as establishing notability. David notMD (talk) 23:11, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Fv3000. A cursory news search at Google showed that your subject may have attracted a bit of coverage. You might want to take a look at these publications so you can expand your draft accordingly. Some examples include the pieces from Frieze, SCMP, and Ocula or Out (to explore the subject's link to the artist Jon Wang). Darwin Naz (talk) 01:13, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Private infomation found

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook its a phone number i removed it but its still showing up in the history of article how to remove from the history of article Tsla1337 (talk) 00:00, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tsla1337: I don't think the number for congress is considered private, but if you are concerned you can follow the steps at WP:OVERSIGHT RudolfRed (talk) 00:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
@Tsla1337: The number is shown prominently at the official site https://www.commerce.senate.gov/ so I see no need to remove it from the page history. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:21, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Addition of information to the Disulfiram page

Greetings Wikipedians and thank you Nick Moyes for help with recent edits. I made an edit to the Disulfiram page but did not publish it. You csn see the edit here citing a new study of Disulfiram by Columbia University Lyme. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Disulfiram&action=submit Apocalypticwarlord (talk) 01:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC) Apocalypticwarlord (talk) 01:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Apocalypticwarlord, any changes you make on your computer are not shown to anyone else until you publish it. There is no change whatsoever; the last published edit is from 29 March 2020. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

why i can not see my new page on google search

why i can not see my new page on google search , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Goldyaameraa Goldyaameraa (talk) 02:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

You have put content on your User page. User pages are not articles and do not appear in Google or any other searches. David notMD (talk) 02:53, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Vijayanagara

Hello there,

Could someone versed in Indian history please check the recent changes to Vijayanagara ? I am no expert but the claim that ce medieval city was larger than Austria is suspect to me. Apologies if this is not the right place. GrandEscogriffe (talk) 22:06, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I changed it, according to the book they cited on page 2 it states that the empire was bigger than Austria, not the city. Zoozaz1 (talk) 23:26, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Comment: yes, it was the Vijayanagara Empire, not the city, that was larger than Austria. And in that source, dated 1900, "Austria" would have meant the Austro-Hungarian Empire.   Maproom (talk) 07:15, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Create first page

 Courtesy link: Draft:Muslim Disability Awareness

Would you please be able to create a page for me as it has come up as draft. I have Legitimate source for the creation. I also need help to upload logo were I have permission. Link https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?preload=Template%3AAfc+preload%2Fdraft&editintro=Template%3AAfC+draft+editintro&title=Draft:Muslim_Disability_Awareness&create=Create+new+article+draft# Irishroyals (talk) 00:10, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Irishroyals, if you have references for the subject please cite them; if you need help with citing please consult referencing for beginners. If the image is okay to be released for public use, you can follow the procedures over at WP:CONSENT. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:10, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Irishroyals, and welcome to the Teahouse. However worthy its subject, a Wikipedia article is still constrained by Wikipedia's policies on notability and neutrality. You need to find places where people who have no connection with MDA have written at length about it, and been published in reliable places; and then base the article on that. Besides the links I have already given, please read your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 08:51, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

How to link Source/reference

Everytime from where we get the reference links to add. I tried editing anakapalle page in that i tried adding some of the well know temples but i could add only 1 to list with refernce other temples did not accepted as there is no exisitance of those temple pages in wikipedia. What to do to in such scenarios.

And in economy section i tried adding the major accupation of the people live in anakaplle .I dint find any refernce links to add to the content what to do when there are no refernce links. 49.206.201.101 (talk) 08:03, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I'm not entirely sure what you're asking, but I think the answer is that sources do not have to be online (and therefore linkable): they just have to have been reliably published, so that a reader can in principle get hold of them (eg through a major library). For most references, the link is not the important part: it is just a convenience for the reader. The important part is bibliographic information such as the publisher, author, title, date, title of work/collection: things that a) will make it possible to find the source even if it is no longer available on line, and b) gives the person reading the article a hint of what kind of source it is and how likely it is to be useful. See citing sources for more, and if you have sources in a published book Template:Cite book. --ColinFine (talk) 09:04, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Grammatical formatting and abbreviation of U.S. state names

"Subject/headline: Grammatical formatting and abbreviation of U.S. state names"

I have two questions. I am writing an entry on an artist that includes a list of selected exhibitions with the exhibition titles, locations, etc. I am wondering how to format each item in the list. (Should I use periods or commas, and where should I use them?) I can't find an answer to this question in the style manual. Here is a sample item:

2009: “Faces.” Tempe Center for the Arts, Tempe, Arizona.

My other question for the whole piece is: Does Wikipedia use abbreviations for state names when they are being used with cities? Should I use Tempe, Arizona, Ariz. or AZ?

Thanks!


Dactyl123 (talk) 23:37, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Dactyl123 Does WP:USPLACE answer your question? I have removed two close-curly-brackets from before your signature above: they weren't causing any problems at the moment, but they could potentially do so. --ColinFine (talk) 08:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
I think this part of the MOS can also be helpful – it basically says that state names should not be abbreviated. Regarding your first question, I'm not sure there is a guideline for that, and the important thing is to be consistent within the article (but someone else might know this better than I do). I've looked at some of Wikipedia's featured articles about artists, but none of the ones I looked at had a list of exhibitions so that didn't really help. Otherwise, looking at featured articles can often be helpful, since those are articles that have been judged by the community to be some of the best articles in Wikipedia. This featured article, a biography of Bronwyn Oliver, discusses her notable exhibitions in running text rather than in list format. Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Arts and entertainment might be able to help you further. --bonadea contributions talk 09:18, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

What is a source on Wikipedia?

What is a source on Wikipedia? ChOOSE PlAY HuNT (talk) 08:40, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello ChOOSE PlAY HuNT! See WP:Verifiability. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

How do I become a Wikipedia admimistrator?

How do I become a Wikipedia administrator? ChOOSE PlAY HuNT (talk) 09:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Administrators#Becoming_an_administrator. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:29, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
ChOOSE PlAY HuNT Hello. You build up an extensive edit history showing that you have a good understanding of Wikipedia policies, and have a need for the tools administrators have. There is then a community discussion process to determine if the community believes you merit being given administrator rights. Keep in mind that administrators (like me) have no special status; they are just like any other editor, only they possess certain tools that would be irresponsible for everyone to have. If I were you I wouldn't worry about becoming an administrator, just concentrate on the contributions you wish to make to this project. You may find it helpful to use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 09:31, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

I've been advised that my article Draft:Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences, The University of Manchester reads like an advert. Could I get some advice on how I can make it more like an encyclopedia article? Thanks :) Sworrubt (talk) 09:48, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Sworrubt You have asked this elsewhere, please only use one method of seeking assistance to avoid duplication. Thanks.331dot (talk) 09:52, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Sworrubt, you've gotten it already. The topic you've chosen will never be an encyclopedia article. Choose another subject. Generally, and with the exception of law schools and medical schools, we do not have articles on the various schools of a university. We could give you some general tips on how to write more neutrally, but there is no point with this draft. It's not a subject that will likely ever qualify for an article. If you can locate reliable secondary sources, you may be able to incorporate some of it into the existing article on the university, but your draft isn't going anywhere. Sorry. John from Idegon (talk) 10:51, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Question about image policy

Can a wiki article have an image that is a snapshot from vid posted on a facebook page? The logo of the organisation whose facebook page it's taken from is clearly visible, but the contributor has listed the image as 'own work'... Tetrahedron17 (talk) 01:56, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Tetrahedron17. This screenshot is a Commons' file which technically means that it needs to be resolved on Commons. Images, etc. found on Facebook can sometimes be uploaded to Commons, but usually only when its clear they've been released under a license that Commons accepts per c:COM:L or when it's original content uploaded to Facebook by its copyright holder who then uploads the content to Commons. The copyright holder of the video is Hyderabad Literary Festival and if that organization wants to release the video (or a screenshot from it) under a free license that Commons accepts (by uploading the screenshot to Commons), then it can; on the other hand, someone else, even if they appear in the screenshot, shouldn't really do such a thing unless they can show they have the WP:CONSENT to do so per c:COM:OTRS#If you are NOT the copyright holder. My guess is that this is just a case of someone trying to add some content about herself to Wikipedia in good faith who mistakenly assumed that appearing in videos or photos somehow gives her copyright ownership (at least partially perhaps) over such things. Some of the other Commons uploads of this user also suggest something similar. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Marchjuly Thanks. Tetrahedron17 (talk) 12:52, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Murad Gulubayli

Header inserted by ColinFine (talk) 13:55, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Arif.ayyubov (talk)

Hello, I have created the page namely draft: Murad Gulubayli. But the draft was deleted giving an argument as if the page was like advertisement. However, the article namely Leyla Aliyeva (presenter) is the similar with my draft. I wonder what is a difference between these pages and why my draft was deleted inspite of similarity with other pages.

I look forward to hearing from you. Arif.ayyubov (talk) 13:13, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey Arif! I think the problem is in the beginning - "outstanding" and "distinguished". Remove this words, clean up the additional spaces in your article and crop the picture used in the article. Good luck :)Sardouri ⚒ (talk) 14:09, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

How to deal with serial reverters

Hello, I'm unsure if this is the right place to ask, but -- I did some cleanup work in an article about a small Indian village that had some pretty major issues about POV, excess, unreferenced info, coloured language etc. I checked the edit history and found that other users had done similar cleanup a few years back, several times, but had their edits reverted (well, not exactly 'reverted' but the content they removed written back in, in steps), every time by the same user who's also the major contributor to the article, without stating any reason. Is there a way for me to report them, or prevent them from doing the same thing again? Tetrahedron17 (talk) 11:55, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tetrahedron17: - so the first step would be to see if they revert the most recent edits - if they're not currently causing problems, then there isn't anything further to be done. Next step would be to discuss it with them - the talk page has a couple of discussions but they're nearly 10 years old, so not great for figuring out anything. Depending on what they do there, assuming you can't just agree on something, there's different steps - might be best to ask again at that point. Nosebagbear (talk) 13:13, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Nosebagbear Thanks.. Tetrahedron17 (talk) 14:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello Tetrahedron17, this is a good place to ask. I note that User:Wasifwasif has made three edits this year, so they are not very active at the moment. Should the problems start again, start with trying to have a discussion at Talk:Erwadi, which hasn't been used since 2012. Nothing stops you from making a post describing your latest edits there now, that could help. If that doesn't work, next step on WP:DR. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:14, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
I note also that the article is in a pretty awful shape. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:25, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Gråbergs Gråa Sång I know. I've had to delete tons of content on it and rearrange everything for it to even begin to make sense. I have doubts on the very existence of the one source for the History section, in fact I can't find any sources about the town's history on the web and so have no way of checking or adding anything, and I don't even know where to begin with the Gallery. Articles about the Indian-Subcontinent places, culture, etc. like this one are often a mess and this is frankly, very, very sad. Tetrahedron17 (talk) 14:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Why can I not delete or move Main Page?

Why can I not delete or move Main Page? ChOOSE PlAY HuNT (talk) 09:55, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse ChOOSE PlAY HuNT Why would you want to do this? Theroadislong (talk) 10:14, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
... and what is your connection with recently blocked User:CPHL, whose user page you were trying to edit? --David Biddulph (talk) 14:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Time Expected to receive reviewer feedback after submitting my 2 articles

Dear Users, Hope all is well, Kindly note that i have submitted 2 draft articles last Friday for review: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Beirut_Yacht_Club https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lebanese_Yacht_Club can you please advise what is the time expected so that i can receive the reviewer feedback for the articles? Wish you all a pleasant week. Princesse Marissa (talk) 13:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)Princesse Marissa Princesse Marissa (talk) 13:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

You haven't actually submitted them for review. You added the string {{tls|submit}} which displays on your drafts as {{subst:submit}} giving links to Help:Substitution and to Template:Submit, but you should have actually added the string {{subst:submit}} itself. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:10, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Dear David Biddulph

Thank you, i will act accordingly. Once Submit them, what is the time expected to receive the feedback? Yours. Princesse Marissa (talk) 14:24, 20 April 2020 (UTC)Princesse Marissa

:It ranges from 1 to 2 days, if the article is small, but longer, if it is big. At least that's what I got in my experience. Also, greetings to Lebanon from Armenia :)

Kindly,Sardouri (talk) 14:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

:Dear Sardouri, Thank you, we and the Armenian are one :) have a great day!

Princesse Marissa (talk) 15:01, 20 April 2020 (UTC)Princesse Marissa


Once you have submitted, @Princesse Marissa:, you will see a yellow box on the draft page saying "Review waiting [...] This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order." Some drafts are reviewed very quickly, in particular if they are clearly not ready to become articles. But there is no way to predict how long it may take. --bonadea contributions talk 14:41, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Dear bonadea, Thank you for your useful information which is well noted.

Kind Regards, Princesse Marissa (talk) 15:01, 20 April 2020 (UTC)Princesse Marissa

Lads, how do you add a link to other language pages for your wikipedia user page on the sidebar?

I've seen this on several other profiled, but I am not sure how this is done. Any help? Thanks in advance :) Sardouri (talk) 13:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Sardouri, add it like [[language code:User talk:Sardouri]]. The details, including the prefixes to use, are at Help:Interwiki linking. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 14:43, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Alex Noble thank you very much! Sardouri (talk) 15:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

New article

I need help


Okay so how do I start a page for people to read? PugzRulez4lyfe 16:01, 20 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Puglover4lyfe (talk • contribs) 2020-04-20T17:01:35 (UTC)

Hello, Puglover4lyfe, and welcome to the Teahouse. A guide to the very difficult task of creating a new Wikipedia article is at your first article. I strongly advise you to get some experience improving some of our six million existing articles before you try it, and learning how Wikipedia works, and what is required. You might also like to look at Tutorial. --ColinFine (talk) 16:24, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Remeber to 'sign' your comments here and on Talk pages by typing four of ~ at the end. David notMD (talk) 16:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Conflict with another editor

Hi. I am new to wikipedia and just created my account yesterday. What do I do if another editor keeps reverting my edits. Thanks!
JohnGhan11 (talk) 16:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)JohnGhan11 JohnGhan11 (talk) 16:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
JohnGhan11, I'm going to assume this has to do with Mark Kelly, in which case, you've been told why you've been reverted, and you should discuss this on the article's talk page. Failing that, you should take it to WP:DRN. The issue the other user seems to have appears to be you adding WP:PUFFERY which is unnecessary content to the article, as well as adding unsourced claims such as that in this diff. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:38, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Will the people of Florida contract the Corona Virus by taking walks on the beach and or swimming in the ocean?

Extended content

Hello,

My name is Chef Terri Rogers. I own a plant-based food company in the USA, my brainchild is NOoodle, a healthy alternative to pasta derived from a yam plant and 97% water. I would like to ask my question to NEIL DEGRASSE TYSON. I am a student of his in his masterclass, he has been a great mentor to me in the short time he has been in my life. I live in NYC, the epicenter of LOVE. I have been writing me a new book, second, called " March Fouth in LOVE. I happen to be born on 3/4/1969 and my birthday spells out, March fourth in Love, which is suiting for this time in our lives. I have decided through seeing the weak, the poor and the homeless to turn my food manufacturing from 100% profit for myself and family to 100% profit for the people. My question today is because I have a mother, a father, a stepmom, a stepdad, a brother, a half brother, a sister in law and dear friend for over 30 years, another sister in law and two nieces and two nephews that I love dearly living in different parts of the state of 'Florida'. I have come to name it Florida because everything I know about the corruption that exists in every branch of government including that awful law, "The Baker Act", which drugs people against there will for 72 hours. What makes that law so much worse for me, someone who has always been in integrity with our tax laws, is that the only people who are NOT paying to create druggies of Floridas citizens are the people who live in the state of Florida. I have tried to tell my loved ones to leave the state. They are fortunate to have had the ability to work hard over time and now they can just get in their cars and drive to their other homes in Colorado and North Carolina. Instead they are saying that I am crazy and what I believe to be true, which is the second wave of Corona Virus to hit Florida over the next month, will be true. My parents are elderly and we have not seen eye to eye since the beginning of March, with the start of the corona virus. If only I could/we can have some more evidence in regards to this. I am chef who was a meat eater and now I am a veggie and fruit eater. I guess it really is true, Donald Trump has led us to a state of Fear. I am fearful today to eat. It seems as everything poses a threat of Corona.

Neil... What is science really saying? I am listening, please speak into my listening. I believe that I am only one of the millions and millions of people around the world who are listening and what to know what you believe to be true in regards to the 'Scientific Point of View'. Thank you in advance for acknowledging my request of you. I would love it if you would come to Shephards Fountain in Central Park. We are there every day the sun is shining or at least it is not raining. Great artists sing and we spread out and do yoga, protocol fitness. I sing and dance on my head and show others how to dance and sing on there heads if that is what will bring them some joy during this interesting time in the world. I would love love love to meet you one day in Central Park. I believe I am a great public speaker. I was on stage in NYC as a girl and went to the University of Arizona and got my masters in human communication and did a lot of work debating and public speaking. I totally agree with the idea of coming to interviews ready with 10 times the knowledge than you think you may need to win. I have learned the hard way through my career that TRUE luck is when preparation meets opportunity, we must be ready when we are asked to be ready. As a 'Mother of Dragons & breaker of Chains, " Today I believe it is my duty to run for president of the USA. I will do my best to see that I am on the Reformed Party Ticket, after all, it is in Islip, NY... I grew up part-time in the summers in Fire-island. Anything to get this loser and the other old man out of the highest most powerful seat in all the land. I see an amazing and bright new future ahead. A future that is led with, by and from LOVE. Not fear, like the crap we are living with now. Real LOVE. The kind of love that comes from motherhood. I believe the day is coming soon that the hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world. March Fourth in Love today... It is Monday a great day to do one of your hobbies that you have thought about, today just do it. Hobbies are fun and most of them don't really cost a thing except for our time and GOD knows, she-he-yall-we know, we have lots and lots of time today. Time... the biggest and greatest commodity that exists. Chef Terri Rogers




Chef Terri Rogers (talk) 16:51, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Chef Terri Rogers: This is the wikipedia help forum, not a place to ask questions for Neil Tyson, and we can't give medical advice. RudolfRed (talk) 16:54, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Scott Disick draft page

Hello, A few weeks ago I asked for the page Draft:Scott Disick to be unSALTed. It is my first time working with a SALTed article. The main page has been nominated for deletion four times in the past, but I believe the article is now ready for creation, since Disick's fame has increased. I received feedback that the articles I used were only passing mentions of Disick. This simply is not true. I cited more than 100 sources in this article, and while some of them do contain passing mentions, many do not. For example, Chicago Tribune, E! News, Architectural Digest, People, and this one HuffPost, among others. Additionally, notability is not temporary WP:NTEMP, and the most recent community consensus was to allow new draft, and you can find at least two other editors (alongside myself) who have commented on the main page talk page requesting that an article be made for this subject. Additionally, on Talk:Kourtney Kardashian there are several discussions in which people have suggested he receive his own article. I believe he meets WP:ENT parts one and two. He has been a main cast member in more than 140 episodes of Keeping Up with the Kardashians, has his own show on E!Network (new since last discussion of his notability), and has guest starred on a number of other shows. In reference to point two of WP:ENT, he has a large fan base (23.5 million Instagram followers; 6.8 million Twitter followers - more than Adam Sandler, Gwen Stefani, the White House, etc.). Finally, the current redirect does not make sense, because he is no longer dating Kourtney Kardashian. He also meets WP:GNG, because he has significant coverage (which a quick Google search will show). I don't know how to improve the draft, and I think the editor simply did not approve it due to the past nominations. How can I go about getting this draft approved? Mukedits (talk) 22:47, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Mukedits: I have no view on whether he is notable. But if you want to get that draft accepted, you will need to cite several (four should be enough) good sources that help to establish his notability. Then you will want a reviewer to be able to find them. No reviewer will want to wade through that huge pile of garbage looking for the good references you may have hidden in there. Sources are judged on quality, not quantity. Maproom (talk) 07:26, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Mukilteoedits - if you contact your reviewer (their name is at the bottom of the red box), and give the relevant sources you think most prove the point, that could be beneficial. While passing mentions can be helpful to support initial facts, try to support as many as possible with your best sources. Then only use as necessary, don't include for sake of demonstrating lots of mentions. Nosebagbear (talk) 13:17, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll try contacting him again, although he didn't respond to my first request. I didn't include the tons of articles as "garbage" or to show quantity, rather, while there are good references, some of the articles with "passing mentions" reveal details about the person not outlined in other articles. I'll reach out to the reviewer again, thanks. If my reviewer does not respond again or if he disagrees, is there another process I can try? Mukedits (talk) 17:09, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Sources for articles about food

Right, so I've been trying to fix the Bengali cuisine article for a little over a year now, and one persistent issue I keep running into is that I don't know what to cite. Obviously, if New Yorker magazine (or something like that) had a segment discussing Bengali restaurants, that might be useful, but no such thing exists from what I see. Books are also an issue because Google Books obviously doesn't give you the whole book. There's a lot of interesting information that I know is true as a Bengali, but that I can't back up. I don't want to delete some of this stuff, but the only other means of supporting these statements is to cite blog posts or some sketchy recipe site. Then there's also the issue of the list of food, but I'm assuming the solution there is just to create a table. I'd appreciate any guidance because (vainly speaking) this article is one of the only ties I have to my ancestral culture, and I really want to improve it for that reason. puggo (talk) 16:41, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Bug2266, you say you are in New York? That doesn't sound like a place that wouldn't have libraries that try to house everything ever published; obviously not right now, but you should be able to read in their entirity, books you find in google books, at the nearest branches of that third biggest library in the world. There are also WP:WikiProject India and Wikipedia Resource Exchange where you can ask editors to help you out. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:09, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Usedtobecool, I understand the sentiment, but I don't really have the means to travel whenever I so choose. Considering the current state of the world, it's more than me just being underage without a license. I will definitely make attempts to visit libraries after the pandemic is over, however; and I will consult WP:IND. I appreciate the advice. puggo (talk) 17:16, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

if Template:L is used. do we need to add categories

do we have to still add categories : living, dead, YYYY deaths, Year of death missing, etc..does adding template automatically adds relevant categories or do we have to add manually ? Leela52452 (talk) 06:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC) any OTHER suggestion or critique is preferred here

Leela52452, did you read the page you have linked? It has all the info on how to use it and what it does. You can use your sandbox to test it out if anything confuses you, but since it's a template that's substituted, you can see exactly what it gives by just hitting "review your changes" before publishing. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:24, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Apogee Electronics

Apogee Electronics

Apogee ElectronicsiIs a company I know, I own products and I wanted to edit their page - since it seems outdated - e.g. Apogee runs a studio, called Apogee Studio, which I wanted to add to the page. Why is this a copyright problem?

I do not understand why basic information about a company is considered advertising and pops up as an orange exclamation mark.

Please help me to resolve the problem.

Thank you so much in advance for your help! FridaAlpin (talk) 07:41, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

FridaAlpin Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please note that it is not "their page" but an article about them. You copied information directly from the company website; this is a copyright violation. We must take copyright issues seriously, as violations could put Wikipedia in legal jeopardy. Please see WP:COPYVIO for more information. Wikipedia is not for giving "basic information". Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state about a subject. 331dot (talk) 07:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. Understood.

I have another question: How can I add the information about Apogee Studio? I've been there myself. I've seen it. I've been to a KCRW concert there. And I would like to share this information with the community. Thanks so much for your assistance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FridaAlpin (talk • contribs) 10:34, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

FridaAlpin, please remember to sign your messages. Personal knowledge of the subject of an article is neither necessary or really even desirable. Nothing whatsoever that you know, have observed, or have been told about is fodder for edits here. Every single thing you add must be paraphrased from reliable secondary sources. All of it. It isn't always necessary to cite your source, but your source must always be a reliable, published source and in almost all cases, must be secondary. This is not a place to write about what you know, nor is it a tool for the subject of the article to use for communication. It's about them, not for them in any way. We provide a link to an official website for all companies that we have articles about. If someone wants to read about what the company says about themselves, we provide a link for that; we do not however repeat the information from there. Encyclopedias are tertiary. We don't write about the subject of the article; we write about what has already been written about the subject in reliable secondary sources. It's a fine, but very important distinction. John from Idegon (talk) 10:55, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for clearing this up for me - so if I understood correctly, then I can quote these two secondary sources: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhochman/2018/09/03/the-180-seat-invite-only-los-angeles-music-venue-thats-attracting-arena-rockers/#3f241b007cf5 https://www.kcrw.com/music/apogeestudio Please let me know, then I will add the information to the Apogee Wiki page. Thanks - I am new to this and really appreciate your input! — Preceding unsigned comment added by FridaAlpin (talk • contribs) 11:23, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

In my opinion, no. The refs confirm the Apogee Studio exists, but have no content other than the name that connects them to being about Apogee Electronics, the company. (I'm guessing Apogee equipment, and some unnamed connection.) The studio is identified as being the property of Bob Clearmountain, shows produced by KCRW. David notMD (talk) 13:14, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Did you notice that the article on the Forbes website (stated above) directly links to the page on Apogee Digital's website that features Apogee Studio? That means the studio belongs to Apogee Digital and this fact should be stated on an accurate wiki page - at least from my point of view. By the way - Bob Clearmountain is the husband of Betty Bennett, CEO of Apogee. Can someone please help me add this information on the Apogee Wiki page and remove the copyvio tag? I would really appreciate it.FridaAlpin (talk) 17:53, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

@FridaAlpin: The copyvio tag must not be removed until an administrator has examined and revision deleted all offending material in the page history. On your other question, all material added to Wikipedia articles must be reliably sourced, and so the additions you requested above will not be made unless and until appropriate references can be found to support them without WP:Synthesis. As is I'm having trouble identifying significant coverage in any reliable independent secondary sources for the article. If none can be found it is likely that I or someone else will nominate it for deletion since those are necessary to write neutral and verifiable articles. Spectrum {{UV}} 2604:2000:8FC0:4:68BA:3B32:8613:8B6D (talk) 22:36, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Who looks into the copyvio tag? How can I contact an administrator and ask to please look into this? FridaAlpin (talk) 07:29, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

FridaAlpin, a copyvio tag adds the article to a list of articles that will be checked by administrators working in the area. Once a page is tagged for copyvio, there is nothing to do but wait for an admin to check and take appropriate action. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Article on Ghanaian Rapper

Can someone assist in the creation for an article for Ghanaian award-winning rapper named Amerado? 154.160.16.5 (talk) 10:55, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi there! Usually, editors work on topics that interest them. The ones interested in Ghana-related topics are likely to be found at WP:WikiProject Ghana. I recommend posting at the talk page there, or finding an editor who's actively editing from among the members listed. If you would like to start one yourself, please read WP:YFA and then you can use the Article Wizard. We'd be happy to help you with specific problems you might encounter along the way. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:53, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Usedtobecool, I tagged you in a discussion here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.160.16.5 (talk) 21:34, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Please remember to sign your posts by adding four tildes (~~~~) at the end, which gets automatically converted to your signature. This helps editors quickly determine who added the message and when, helps archiving bots to know how old a message is, and most importantly, pinging/mentioning editors doesn't work unless you sign the post in the same edit. Since you didn't sign the post at the undeletion request, I did not get notified about your mention, until I read about it here. It was a simple refund request that would have been honoured without hassle in any case, which I can see that it already has. You can take your time with it. As long as you don't let six months go by without making a single edit to it, there is no deadline. Good luck! Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:46, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

would that be considered vandal?

Hallo, I am trying to improve bios of gay porn actors and it is a huge amount of work. most of those bios were created when notability policy here was very different and 95% of them now don't seem to fulfill any notability guideline on wikipedia. I am considering proposing for deletion most of the bios here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:American_actors_in_gay_pornographic_films as the sourcing is very bad and most of them don't seems to be notabile. I have learned that from the process some bios, those which are worthy it, come out improved so it could be a good idea but I wonder if that would be considered a vandal use of wikipedia. please note that I have put a template E on many of them but what is the point if that nobody cares for bios of not notable people?what do you think? thank you. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 17:01, 20 April 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 17:01, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello AlejandroLeloirRey, and welcome to the Teahouse. As long as you are working to improve Wikipedia, it is not vandalism. As you say, we have huge numbers of articles which would not be accepted if they were submitted now: some of them can be saved, because the sources exist; many of them are unredeemable, and should be deleted. As long as you are diligent with BEFORE, nobody should object to your taking them to WP:AFD. I have nominated few article for deletion, because I often don't have the patience to do the due diligence: I usually content myself with tagging them with {{refimprove}} or {{notability}}: I'm delighted if somebody is willing to spend the time clearing out some of the crud. --ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello ColinFine at the moment I am trimming the bios, especially the celebrative parts, I am verifying the sources and when not online I search on wayback machine. I am only doing it with living people as I don't know how I would feel about deleting the memory of a dead person (most of them died so young). Morover, I am adding the templates: better source needed, citation needed, notability and refimprove but I know that as long as we do not put the through the test of AFD they will not be improved and remain there for years, some of them are very bad. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 17:56, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

how to place the reference list in Article

Therealstar (talk) 18:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Therealstar: Welcome to the Teahouse. Assuming that you understand how to use references, just create the section near the bottom of the page:
== References ==
{{reflist}}

Consult WP:ORDER if you need to know where in the article that section should go. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:34, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

how to create a page

What can i do to crete a pageErnest Maluleke (talk) 20:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Ernest Maluleke, welcome to the Teahouse. If you're asking about how to create an article, please understand it is one of, if not the, hardest things you can do on here. WP:YFA can help walk you through that. Other pages like user (talk) pages and templates have less strict guidelines that articles, which you can find here: talk page guidelines, template guidelines, and user page guidelines. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Anime

Ibbatson (talk) 17:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
What? puggo (talk) 17:28, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Do you have question to ask? REDMAN 2019 (talk) 17:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello Ibbatson. If you are looking for a place to discuss Anime, I must tell you that Wikipedia is not the right place to discuss anime. We write and discuss encyclopedia articles here. Please consider using social media or online discussion forums if you want to talk about anime. See WP:NOT--Quisqualis (talk) 20:32, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
​On the other hand, if you are asking about a place to contribute to anime and manga articles, we have a WikiProject, WikiProject Anime and manga that you might be interested in. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:31, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Help me!

can you help me write my new research article about coding?


almohannad 20067 18:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC) almohannad 20067 18:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Almohannad20067 (talk • contribs) 2020-04-20T19:45:34 (UTC)

Hello, Almohannad20067. I don't know how you signed your post, but a signature is supposed to link to (at least) your user talk page. Please sign using the signing tool, or four tildes: ~~~~. I'm not clear what you are asking. If you want to use material in Wikipedia to help you write an article somewhere else, you are free to do so, provided you comply with the conditions in reusing Wikipedia content: you might find one of the articles linked from coding useful.
If you are trying to write a Wikipedia article, then you will need to find a topic which is not already covered, and show that it is notable. We don't write "research articles" here - original research is not accepted in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 21:31, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

How to change a photo

7donohoe7 (talk) 21:18, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

7donohoe7, to clarify, are you asking about changing the image of a file that already exists on here or on Commons? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:33, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Combining two pages

Hello. I found two pages which I believe should be combined:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_University_in_St._Louis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danforth_Campus

How should I raise this for discussion? Or, is there a template I can insert on one or both pages? 21:31, 20 April 2020 (UTC)Swickouski (talk)

The process is discussed at WP:Merging. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Swickouski: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you believe the two pages should be merged, I suggest you should:
  • Start a discussion on the talk page of the destination article.
  • Use {{merge}} templates on the pages in question. If you know which page is being merged into which, you may decide to use the {{mergeto}} and {{mergefrom}} templates instead.
For more reading consult WP:MERGE. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:40, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

thank youSwickouski (talk) 21:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Two versions of article, and unhappy submitter

I have a message on my talk page from an editor who is unhappy. The problem is that he prepared a draft on Draft:Achiro Lucy Otim. While it was waiting to be reviewed, another editor put an article in article space on the same person. Maybe they were both reading the same newspaper. Because there was already an article in article space, I declined the draft, but I tagged the draft to be merged into the article. Am I correct that this was the right way to handle the duplication? What can be said to the editor who didn't become the originator of the article, other than that they can edit and improve the article? Robert McClenon (talk) 05:33, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, from what I can tell, the editor working in draftspace had started working on it 2 days before the article was made in the mainspace and followed AFC. I personally feel that the draft is of much better quality than its counterpart: it took the time to translate Otim's education and career in the Ugandan government into prose as opposed to listing it practically verbatim from the reference.
The major thing that the mainspace editor added that was not in the draft was the controversy; everything else is addressed in the draft. It sounds unorthodox, but I propose the mainspace article be merged into the draft before moving the draft outright to the mainspace.
I get the whole "working on something only to have someone do it before you". It's a bad feeling, and I suspect that's a tiny reason as to why some articles seem like rush jobs. I hope that both of these editors—who've created their accounts within a month of each other and appear to have attended the same university at some point—are able to collaborate with one another and recognise each other's contributions. This just seems like an unfortunate incident of "great minds think alike" taken literally. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:09, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
As a reviewer, is there agreement that I did either the right thing or a reasonable thing in tagging the article and the draft to be merged? This is a common situation. If a draft and an article are by the same editor, and the draft is either the same as or a subset of the article, the draft can be redirected to the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Occasionally I encounter a case where a page was copied without attribution. In that case a history merge may be needed, and the editor who did the copying should be cautioned. This is not such a case. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Do you feel that the page in mainspace meets AFC standards? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:15, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
User:Tenryuu - Are you asking whether the page in mainspace should be in mainspace, or are you asking if it can be improved? I haven't reviewed it in detail to see whether it needs improvement. It should be in mainspace because the subject satisfies political notability as a member of the Parliament of Uganda. Both editors are to be thanked for working on notable people in an area that is underrepresented due to systemic bias. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:47, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Robert McClenon, I ran into another unhappy editor who faced the same issue. While I sympathize with their hard work, Wikipedia is a collaborative project. It should be a positive that an article they were working on in draftspace made it to the mainspace by someone else. Unless you are getting WP:PAID for the number of articles created, it should be easy enough to merge information into the mainspace article. Bkissin (talk) 18:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
User:Bkissin - Yes. Wikipedia is a collaborative project, and that is what I was saying. However, some editors, especially but not limited to new editors, may be trying to get their tickets punched. See Hat Collecting, although that essay is about requesting permissions rather than about counting credits in order to get permissions, or simply in order to brag. There are a few editors at Requests for Adminship, for instance, fortunately not many, who look for specific numbers of achievements such as articles created or Good Articles sponsored, and there are some forms of recognition that are given that provide an unfortunate emphasis on assigning individual credit. In the case of new editors, they may reasonably have ideas about individual credit that they may reasonably learn to move beyond. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:48, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Disclosing Conflict of Interest before Making Edits

 Courtesy link: Lois Stratton

I recently edited an article about a family member that I knew had incorrect personal details. The family member provided the correct information about marriage status, children, work history etc. After making the edits I read up on the COI rules and realized I should have proposed changes first. How do I correct what I have done and/or disclose my connection to the subject? I am sorry -- I did not find the COI instructions very helpful for a new editor like me.Westalice (talk) 22:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Westalice, welcome to the Teahouse and thanks for adhering to the guidelines as best as you could. You may put the {{UserboxCOI|Lois Stratton}} template on your user page so that people visiting your user page knows about your connection with the subject. I have added the {{Connected contributor}} template to the article's talk page stating that you have declared a connection. While we have you here, what didn't you understand about the COI instructions? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:49, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Westalice (edit conflict) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There are formal ways to declare a COI, but a simple statement on your userpage will be sufficient. Just edit your userpage to make a statement telling the nature of your COI.
I will note that I did reverse your edits(though they remain in the article edit history so they are not permanently lost) because they were not sourced to a published, independent reliable source. All information in an article, especially about a living person, must be sourced to a published reliable source that can be verified; we cannot accept people's word for information. 331dot (talk) 22:50, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

New accounts have only "edit source" and not "edit"

Greetings! I'm a college instructor working with some students to learn about editing the encyclopedia. Our first assignment after creating accounts is for the students to post a short bio to their userpage. Many of my students (not all?) seem only to have the "edit source" option, and no "edit". Is there a reason for this? I've been encouraging them to use "edit" because most have limited experience online. Here's one of their userpages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ENGL101S0502 Thank you, Stevenarntson (talk) 16:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Stevenarntson, thanks for getting students interested in working on this project. Have they checked their preferences? Assuming you're using the default skin, it'll be in the top-right corner of the page. Most likely the Visual Editor has been disabled, which can be fixed by going to Editing → Temporarily disable Visual Editor while it is in beta (make sure it's not checked box). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:32, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Stevenarntson, not sure what the default value is, but have you checked if Preferences, Editing, Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta is unchecked. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 16:33, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for these ideas Tenryuu and Alex Noble. I've given the students a workaround by having them click the pencil icon to switch editors, which seems to be working. I don't have access to their accounts, so can't immediately verify preferences (and due to the pandemic, I am unexpectedly not seeing students face-to-face this quarter). The level of digital literacy in this class is pretty low, though. Saying "just go over to preferences, to edit, scroll to 'temporarily disable &c &c while Beta . . .' would cause confusion in some cases. Assuming for the moment that some of the accounts do have this preference selected by default, I wonder where I might go to make the suggestion that, in the future, this default be changed? Thank you! --Stevenarntson (talk) 17:10, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Stevenarntson, it's very unlikely this would be changed as the visual editor is still heavily limited; for example it only works in certain spaces like the main articlespace and not on others like talk pages. I usually leave myself the option of editing in source (for most articles) and visually (for tables). You can find more information on the visual editor at WP:VISUAL. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:29, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
@Stevenarntson: I'm afraid one user cannot view the 'Preference settings' of another user, so you'd not be able to check what they've set. However, might I suggest you simply email this one link which will work for each one of them so that they can change their own editing preferences, once they're signed in: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing) Simply get them to look for the "Editing mode" option and select "Always give me the visual editor if possible". They then simply need to click the blue button to Save the changes. From then on they should usually see only the "Edit" tab which our Visual Editor uses. If the hyperlink looks scary, you could even give them this shortcut to the same page: https://w.wiki/NZo Does this help at all? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:09, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Correction of title "Abron tribe" to Bono people(tribe)

Kindly help me to change the name of the tribe called "Abron tribe" to "Bono people(tribe)". Our name originally in Ghana is called Bono and not Abron. The original name Bono is what is anglicised as Brong, and elsewhere called Abron in La Cote Divoire. In Ghana, and in all cases, we are called Bono and not Abron. So please kindly help me rectify this mistake. Waiting to hear from you. Thanks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abron_tribeBosomba Amosah (talk) 23:39, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Bosomba Amosah, welcome to the Teahouse. You've taken the correct first step in proposing a move over at the article's talk page. I would suggest reading this part in renaming articles as it includes the template that you would use at Talk:Abron tribe. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:53, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

SEparate question

What is the process to improve my article? Aldrin Orlanes Politico (talk) 06:17, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Is your question about what is in User:Aldrin Orlanes Politico/sandbox? It appears that you had made it into an article in mainspace, after which it was subjected to Speedy deletion as not a valid article. Reasons were given. David notMD (talk) 07:09, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
@Aldrin Orlanes Politico: The explanation is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Top Island Countries. "Top" is too subjective and implies a value judgement (i.e., which ones are best). Please also note that we have fairly comprehensive coverage of the subject at Lists of islands, which also has links to other articles in the Lists of islands#Other lists of islands section. Before creating a new article, you should always search for existing articles that may cover the subject (and that may need improvement). At Special:Search (or in the search box at the top of any page), if you start typing List of island, you'll get a list of some articles that start with that phrase, and completing the search gives many topical results. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 13:37, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
Having looked at the AFD, it doesn't look like a valid G7 to me, but I am not going to advise what sort of beans to eat, or stuff in the dog's ears, or throw out the window. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:56, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Weight of scientific opinion over lore

When a statement such as "this has never happened" or "nobody has observed it at any time" is given without proof, it stands in the article because a influential person holds that viewpoint (such as Einstein). This is being called "good bias" by Jimmy Wales and the Wikipedia moderators. How can somebody know that nobody else has ever had a particular experience? If it is possible, it should be cited and expounded scientifically just as any other statement is on this platform. Nonki72 (talk) 16:25, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Nonki72. Given that Wikipedia doesn't publish original research, all the statement needs is the citation of a reliable published source.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
@Nonki72: If qi were real energy, it would be measured in Joules, kilo-calories and kilowatt-hours. Till now nobody has published anything at arXiv about such measurement. Virtually everything one learns in organic chemistry is built upon the non-existence of "vital energy" and "vital force". Tgeorgescu (talk) 01:41, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Spelt

216.169.2.229 (talk) 01:49, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, what is your question? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

An Edgenuity Article?

Hello! I've recently joined Wikipedia, and I've started to take part in a couple of edits. I think a pretty good article to write about would be Edgenuity, an online, common core state curriculum for every state in America. I think it's important to write about due to the rapid increase in distance learning, and Edgenuity does exactly that! Is it possible to get an article about this, and maybe I could help out, too? Thank you for your time.Le Panini (talk) 01:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Le Panini, welcome to the Teahouse. There are multiple paths you can take. You can leave a request over at WP:REQUEST or you can get a draft started in draftspace—the page title that would most fit is Draft:Edgenuity. Feel free to work on it there with the reliable sources that establish its notability; others may decide to join you on there.
If you decide to start a draft, please read WP:YFA carefully, as creating an article is one of the hardest things to do on here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:42, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Edit Help

Whenever I press publish it doesn't work then I have to reload and press publish. Then it works. Video link.Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 03:03, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Andrew nyr, as this seems tech-related, I'll point you in the direction of the WP:VPT, where the folks there answer questions like that. In the meantime, have you thought about disabling the new wikitext editor and using a gadget like Cacycle's WikEd editor instead? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Tenryuu, I already did to no avail... I added a question on WP:VP, so we will see what happens.

Thanks again,
Andrew nyr (talk, contribs) 03:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Infobox designing/creation - understand how-to guide steps

Hello, I am in the process of designing a infobox law enforcement unit infobox. At present, editors use either the Template:Infobox military unit or the Template:Infobox law enforcement agency for law enforcement unit articles. I am having difficulty finding fellow editors to assist in designing as few editors are interested in the area - Wikipedia:WikiProject Law Enforcement was proposed for deletion in 2019. I might post on Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history as there are many editors familiar with that infobox used in many articles. Anyway, my question is, once I settle upon the design, I don't understand the final step Help:Designing infoboxes "Once the infobox prototype has been tested, it is ready for peer review and deployment". I posted on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Infoboxes but had no reply.--05:58, 21 April 2020 (UTC)Melbguy05 (talk)

Help with uploading an article on a YouTube personality

My article on User:Bling.a.ding/sandbox is based on a YouTube personality, who is very well-known in his field. He is a travel and lifestyle blogger and video blogger. He has a couple of mentions on secondary websites. Can someone help me out if the content therein is sufficient? Kindly feel free to suggest any kind of changes it may require. Thanks in advance. Bling.a.ding (talk) 13:04, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Bling.a.ding Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. A couple mentions is not sufficient. Wikipedia requires significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources showing how the person meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. "YouTubers" rarely meet this definition. The number of followers or views they have is completely irrelevant. They could have 5 million followers and not be notable, or 5 followers and be notable. It depends on the sources. Brief mentions are not acceptable to establish notability. It sounds to me like this person doesn't meet the notability criteria at this time. 331dot (talk) 13:10, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi 331dot, hope you're doing well. Thank you for your feedback. I will look for more significant coverage in that case. Bling.a.ding (talk) 07:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

SVG file not rendering

I uploaded a svg file to wikimedia commons, but after I finished filling out all the information and actually uploaded the file, it came out as essentially blank.

This is the file: A7i7y-50gyb.svg

The following link shows the original image.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A7i7y-50gyb.svg

Where did I go wrong? Chrisc5234 (talk) 12:59, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

That's odd. If I look at the file's page on Commons, I see a rectangle of transparence. But when I then click on the "original file" link, I see an image including the words "PHOTO START". I've come across this kind of thing before. The process at Commons that converts the svg files there to png files for use in WIkipedia projects is not perfect. Maproom (talk) 08:34, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
On examining the SVG file that you uploaded, I see it's just an SVG wrapper around a PNG file. I suggest that you try uploading the original PNG file without the wrapper. Maproom (talk) 08:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Edgenuity Draft

I started a new article about Edgenuity, an online core and curriculum course. Right now, it's super small. I finished the main summary for it, but a lot more needs to be added for the history section. I also wanted to write two sections: one about its curriculum, and one about the COVID 19 impact, but I can't do all of this alone. Are there ways where I can get more help? Thank you for your time.Le Panini (talk) 04:48, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Le Panini: welcome to the Teahouse. Right now, please just focus on determining whether the subject of Draft:Edgenuity will actually meet our essential acceptability criterion of 'notability'. See Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), and in particular the section within it on 'Primary Criteria. (shortcut: WP:ORGCRITE). You will need to include at least three, thoroughly independent and reliable sources that describe this company in detail. Press releases and promotional insider gumpf will not cut it. Often, less is more, so trying to expand an article to cover everything that its own promotional website might cover is a big mistake. Of course, I do need to ask if you are connected in any way with the company. If so, you can declare any Conflict of Interest or our mandatory  Paid Editing Declaration by reading and following those two links.
Once you've done those things, take a look at incorporating proper references, not just inline links to external websites. I have prepared a guide to help new editors insert these. See this shortcut: WP:EASYREFBEGIN.
I am reluctant to suggest how you can get more help at this stage. Right now, it's up to you to do the basics of demonstrating that the company meets our notability criteria. Once you submit the draft for review (at Articles for Creation, and it is accepted, that's the time when other editors will be most willing to come in and work to improve the article. I hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Birthday Book

When is Greta Thunberg' B'day (birthday)141.168.185.227 (talk) 13:12, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

IP - try using Wikipedia to find this sort of information out for yourself. That's what its there for! Nick Moyes (talk) 13:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Request to move from Draft to Mainspace

Draft to Mainspce


I am the author of Draft:Operation Java page. I want to move this page from draft to wiki mainspace. I have added reliable references from news and online film reports. I have also ensured that there are enough in links from other wiki pages.

Kindly let me know if there is anything else to be done from my sideSmjsmj89 (talk) 04:27, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Smjsmj89, please cite your sentences with the references that are all in the references section by putting them right after whichever sentence they provide information to. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Do what Tenry suggested first. After you insert the refs into the body of the draft, the system shows the refs under References. As you have only recently become a Wikipedia editor, and this is the first draft you have created, it is strongly recommended that you submit the draft to the Articles for Creation process so that it will undergo an expert review before being approved to mainspace or declined for need of more work. There is a wait-for-reviewer time that is often within a week or two, but can be months (there is a backlog of nearly 2,000 drafts, but it is not a queue system). David notMD (talk) 13:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Website as a reference

Is it possible to put pages from my website as a reference for particular/specific birds? Classic Collection of North American Birds https://www.birds-of-north-america.net/Kesha59 (talk) 13:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Brian. I appreciate you asking but, as interesting and informative as your website looks, the 'About' page does make it clear that yours is maintained by a single person - yourself - and as such would tend not to be regarded as a Reliable Source. You do link on your website to other authoritative national and international sites which will themselves have had some firm editorial control, so please use these instead. Other people might regard your addition of links to your own site as being promotional/spamming in nature, or pushing content based on your own 'original research' or personal opinion. That is not to decry the accuracy of the information you endeavour to provide. (I can appreciate your position: as a botanist myself, I published an online Flora of my county some years ago. There, however, it was hosted by a local government, and it would be fairer for Wikipedians to conclude that that body would not have let me publish it had it been unreliable. Had I simply created my own website, it might have unsurprising if editors here had objected to me linking to it.) Thank you so much for your question - should you ever need further advice, do return here, or drop by my user page where I'm only too happy to guide a fellow naturalist. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:50, 21 April 2020 (UTC)    
PS: I found a typo on your site you might want to fix. It's the link to AOS - The American Ornitholgy Society. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:54, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Help with an edit - I have reference source!

Hello! I need to add Nikki Stipp as an additional composer on the page for CHEER (T.V. series). I am unfamiliar with editing wikipedia and am frankly lost. This is quite an important credit for the people involved and I have the IMDB page as a source. I also have documentation that can be uploaded somewhere, but I do not know how to go about it. Can someone help me make this edit?

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm11181879/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cr56Ruthtruthfully (talk) 13:33, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Ruthtruthfully, welcome to Wikipedia! I'm afraid that per WP:RSP IMDB doesn't classify as a valid source, but if you are able to find another source, I'm sure that a Wikipedia editor will be happy to insert the edit for you. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 14:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

DoodiePoodie

Heading inserted by ColinFine (talk) 12:43, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Need some help, new on Wikipedia!


Hello there! I have been on the Kiwi IRC asking for help on learning how to do this.

My first attempt at an article Failed :D On the IRC and anon user Majavah helped me fix the issues


One last bit remains - on the citations. Can someone help me with that?Doodiepoodie (talk) 12:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Doodiepoodie: You asked this identical question at the AFC Help Desk. Please don't waste volunteer time by repeating requests for assistance in more than one place. This tends to annoy those who willingly give their time here. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:53, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi - thank you Nick Moyes. I am new to this, and am learning. My bad! Won't happen again.

No worries - sorry to sound snappy. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Page editing slowly

Hi, all! I suppose I'm not really a 'newcomer', but I wasn't sure where to ask my question. Sorry if I came to the wrong place, I guess. Anyways, I'm working on revamping President of the United Nations Security Council dramatically, but it's a rather large page, and it takes multiple seconds for anything I type to show up, making editing rather hard. Is there a way to fix this? Is it because I use the 2017 wikitext editor? Should I split the list of presidents to its own page? Any suggestions people might have are welcomed. For reference, I use the 2017 wikitext editor, visual editor and just about every beta feature. It's only a problem in source editingEddie891 Talk Work 14:25, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Eddie891. I think the delay (which I also get of around 10 seconds) on previewing changes is because of the size of the page, combined with the huge number of flag templates present. Each one of these has to be accessed and rendered before the page displays. Have you tried just editing one section at a time in WP:Source Editor? That should be a lot quicker for you. I suspect that because using WP:VE already has the flags shown then you're not experiencing the same processing requirements. (This processing would occur on the WMF's servers, not your computer) If, however, you're hitting your keyboard and the individual letters you are typing are taking a long time to appear on the screen as you type, then I suspect you might be low on memory on your device. The first thing I'd do is to save all my work and restart my computer. That normally frees up things when I'm running slow. Other background services can also impact on my computer's processing speed, and thus when letters appear on screeen. But, as you say this doesn't happen with Visual Editor, I suspect it's the long rendering time for the whole page that's the issue. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Nick Moyes, Thanks for such a prompt response! Editing section by section seems to work fine for the delay, and I also restarted my computer, so whichever it was it seems to have been fixed? There's still a character delay when I edit the whole article, and I agree that's probably something to do with my computer, but I can workaround by editing section by section or using VE, so not too big of a deal. Thanks again! Eddie891 Talk Work 15:03, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@Eddie891: That's great to hear. Thanks for getting back to me. Anytime you need help - just let us know. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:06, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

AutoBio Graphy

Dear Sir/Madam

How to Post my Auto Biography in wiki so that when any one searches my name in internet they get a small infoModhagapriyan (talk) 16:03, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Modhagapriyan: This is strongly discouraged. See WP:AUTO for details. RudolfRed (talk) 16:06, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Really basic question

I am completely new at this, and I confess that I am overwhelmed by the complexity of the Wikipedia undertaking. I have just read through the "BE BOLD" section, and I'm already confused. Am I to understand that when I edit an article, I need to put all my changes in bold-face type so that another reader can tell where the edits are? I have done copy-editing/rewrite on a short historical note, freely deleting awkward language, and inserting language that improved grammar and clarity. I neither marked my text additions (as with, say, bold-face type) nor indicated text I proposed to delete. Did I do it wrong?ZAMOS47 (talk) 14:58, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

"Be Bold" means "Be brave in how you edit" - your post made be chuckle though. There's certainly no need to type in Boldface or Capitals- indeed, both are heavily frowned upon. We can see what anyone has added by comparing two versions and looking at the 'difference' - we call this a 'Diff' - here's one you made earlier. Do have a go at The Wikipedia Adventure - you'll learn a lot in our interactive tour.  Nick Moyes (talk) 15:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
ZAMOS47, welcome to the Teahouse. That guideline is telling you yourself to be bold and make changes, not your typeface. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Remember to explain in Edit summary what changes you made and reasons for. No need to be overly explicit/detailed. For any article, View history (top menu) shows chronolgical history of changes, with Edit summaries. For each, clicking on prev (left side) shows before and after panels. David notMD (talk) 16:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Help for the publication of an article about young athlete Sasha Zhoya

Dear all, My recent submission for the article on Draft:Sasha_Zhoya was declined. Because I am a relatively new user, I would like to get some help of more experienced users to get it published. While the reviewer mentions the notability criteria WP:NATH, this article is relevant to Wikipedia since the athlete meets the criteria "7. Have at any time held a world or continental record (including world junior records, world youth bests, and masters age-group world records) ratified or noted by the relevant official body". In addition, the athlete got quite some media attention in both France and Australia because of his choice of sporting nationality justifying his presence on Wikipedia. However, I acknowledge that I may have lacked of neutrality by writing the article and updated the draft in that sense and so would like a second pair of eyes to check the article before a re-submission. Thanks in advance, Matbla1 (talk) 07:57, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

The article is straight forward it is a component of a larger Federal organisation that autheorises the article. the fact are simple there is all the required component of a legitimate posting of relevance relating to a National Australian organisation. What is the problem. Please publish it. Keirvt (talk) 09:00, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
The declined draft has been revised by the creator and resubmitted. It is now in the pile (not a queue) to be reviewed again, most likely be a different reviewer. A suggestion while waiting - on the Talk page of the reviewer who declined it, ask if a table of personal bests in appropriate, because my own opinion is that it is not. I do not see that type of information in notable decathlon athlete articles. David notMD (talk) 11:32, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
(OT) @Keirvt: I think you've posted your comment in the wrong section (this is about an athlete). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:23, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Is the “positivity towards contributing” a façade?

My weekend was consumed by editing and practically re-writing this article, hoping that this encyclopaedia would be grateful to my contributions. I checked back on this article the other day, and I was shocked to find that this page had been vandalised, with almost all references and citations removed, and that was only in one paragraph : the only paragraph that had not been changed back, and all of my hours of work removed. This is horrific how Wikipedia reverts all our editing without even telling me why on my talk page/ inbox, and Wikipedia also banned me with no reason listed. This horrific corrupt encyclopaedia needs a 180 turn around, and I expect this article to be changed back to how I left it.

Please can you explain this to me. 94.207.76.173 (talk) 08:57, 19 April 2020 (UTC) 94.207.76.173 (talk) 09:02, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello there! It is obvious the article is Scalextric. Would you mind telling us what account you edited it under? Your post at the article's talk page also has a reply, by the way. You could continue conversation there, and reach an understanding as to what's best for the article. If your work makes the article better, rest assured, it will be reinstated. Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:33, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello, IP user. Disagreement on the best way to present articles is the life-blood of Wikipedia, and it can be bruising. "Wikipedia" does not reverse edits: individual editors do, and don't always explain clearly why. Please see BRD for how the process works. I am concerned that you say that "Wikipedia also banned me" - under what username? (By the way, I have just reverted an edit made by this IP address on 16 April - which may or may not have been you - and left an explanation on the user talk page. But it doesn't sound as if that is anything to do with what you are complaining about here). --ColinFine (talk) 10:36, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
I too, am puzzled, because if you are writing about Scalextric, in its View history (where previous edits can be seen and recovered) I see no major additions nor reversions. Did you ckick on Publish changes at the bottom left when you were done with your editing? David notMD (talk) 11:44, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Scalextric has not been edited for 25 days. If you tried to edit it this month then you didn't save the edit. Click "Publish changes", not "Show preview", and look out for an extra step in some edits, e.g. if you add external links as an unregistered user. An edit is saved if it appears when you click the "View history" tab on the page or click "Contributions" at the top right of any page. The latter only shows the edit if you still have the same IP address or are logged in to the same account. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:04, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
I am confident that I did submit it, as it was how I left it for a few days. Also, my account was called either egeorge or egeorgelatto, and I attempted to log in to it, although it said my password was incorrect, even it wasn’t.

94.207.76.173 (talk) 07:43, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

There is no user called egeorge or egeorgelatto. User:EgeorgeLA made an unsourced edit [6] 25 March. It was reverted [7] 27 minutes later. There is no email address stored in the account so you cannot request a new password. If you don't remember it then you have to create a new account or edit without logging in. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:56, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

What is the Wikipedia:MOS?

I copy edit as part of the Guild of Copyeditors. Something called the Wikipedia:MOS comes up a lot. What exactly is it? Thanks,Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) 15:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I personally don't know, but there are people that do know.
Shadowblade08 (talk) 15:53, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@Total Eclipse 2017: If you click the link, the lead paragraphs explain what the MOS is. RudolfRed (talk) 16:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@RudolfRed: Thanks! I clicked the link... I’ll try to just click the link from now on when I’m unsure of something. Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) 16:10, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Always welcome back here if links leave you confused. David notMD (talk) 16:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
And one more tip, Total Eclipse 2017: if somebody uses a term that seems to be a Wikipedia term or abbreviation, and there isn't a link, it's usually worth searching for it with "WP:" before it (like WP:MOS). ("WP:" is an abbreviation for "Wikipedia:": you can use either). --ColinFine (talk) 17:17, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the help, everyone! I really appreciate it! I came to Wikipedia by accident, but now it’s a fun hobby for me while I’m in quarantine and the schools are closed... Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) 17:21, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

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Resolved
 – IP user temporarily blocked. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:52, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

An IP messaged User:GSS telling him this, It’s probably some sort of personal attack by a user trying to get him in trouble. Might wanna do some sockpuppet investigations, just letting you know. Rodrigo Valequez(🗣) 20:09, 19 April 2020 (UTC) User:103.89.253.248, that’s the IP. Rodrigo Valequez(🗣) 20:26, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

@Rodrigo Valequez: FYI, WP:AIV is for urgent admin issues, WP:SPI for sock investigations, and WP:AN or WP:ANI for other admin issues. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
​ I thought of taking this issue to WP:SPI but I don’t have the evidence needed to start an investigation. I probably should have told this to an admin instead of sharing it here. Rodrigo Valequez(🗣) 18:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

i got the reply from senior editor in Talk where i tried to add some content in "Asha Bhosle" article.

I dont know how to use "Change x to Y" format. i need to add content in an article but it got rejected and said -- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format

may i know how to use "Change X to Y format" is there any example i can get any idea of it.VineetGupta777 (talk) 16:58, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

VineetGupta777, welcome to the Teahouse! Assuming you're talking about Talk:Asha Bhosle, you don't mention where you think it should be in the article, or even that you want it added to the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:16, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
To expand that a little, VineetGupta777, what JTP means is that, rather than saying "AB recorded the song ... ", you are much more likely to get a favourable response if you say "Please add the following text to the section ... in the article: ...". It would also help to give a reference to a source independent of the surbject. --ColinFine (talk) 17:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
VineetGupta777, to use an example from your request, there'd be a difference if you had said something along the lines of "Please add: 'In 2015, Asha Bhosle recorded a sufi song, "Sajde Me Tu" with co-singers Javed Ali and Pankaj Kumar' to the end of the subsection 'Concerts and collaborations with foreign artists' ". You would also provide a reference with that request. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:17, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft declined for lack of references

 – Heading created by Tenryuu.
Resolved
 – Draft re-submitted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Hasan B. Alam

I wrote this article but unfortunately did not have enough third party references, due to which it was declined. I re-wrote the article and would like to resubmit it for review. However, I cannot see the 'Resubmit' button anywhere. How do I resubmit the article?

Kindly let me know. 16:57, 21 April 2020 (UTC)Umarfb (talk)

@Umarfb: It appears you've re-submitted it already. Did you have any other questions? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:12, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, @Tenryuu: The issue was resolved.

Good to hear, Umarfb. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Resubmitting a declined article

 – Merged from separate question below. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I wrote this article but unfortunately did not have enough third party references, due to which it was declined. I re-wrote the article and would like to resubmit it for review. However, I cannot see the 'Resubmit' button anywhere. How do I resubmit the article?

Kindly let me know. 17:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)Umarfb (talk)


Asked and answered at the Help Desk. Please don't post questions in more than one place, Umarfb. --ColinFine (talk) 17:12, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Sure. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Umarfb (talk • contribs) 18:03, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

A request for review

I have been a Wikipedia user for quite a while. I intended to do editing way back when I created the account, but am just now getting started. I've tried to remove the unreliable sources and otherwise clean up The Sacred Band of Stepsons, but don't want to remove a tag on essentially my first substantive edit. Could someone please review it, tell me anything I goofed on, and remove the Unreliable Sources tag if appropriate?BillBarnhill (talk) 23:53, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

BillBarnhill, you should discuss this with TrynaMakeADollar who's the one who added the tags and seems to be actively editing. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:33, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Usedtobecool, I left a message for TrynaMakeADollar, but also wanted to leave a request here, in case. BillBarnhill ☎️ 18:33, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

How to figure out which type of user I am.

How do I figure out if I'm extended confirmed, or confirmed user and so on?LucasA04 (talk) 19:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

LucasA04, go to your page, and on the bar on the left, there's a link with the words "Check User Groups". Click on that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UserRights/LucasA04 Looking at it myself, you are an autoconfirmed user right now. puggo (talk) 19:58, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much. LucasA04 (talk) 20:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Modify Title to Tuskegee Airmen, Incorporated

On April 11, 2020, my submission to add an Tuskegee Airmen, Incorporated page was declined. I fully respect and accept the reasoning for the declination and accepted the suggestion to merge my submission into the page entitled 'List of Tuskegee Airmen, Inc chapters,' which I've done. How do you change the title from 'List of Tuskegee Airmen, Inc chapters' to 'Tuskegee Airmen, Incorporated'? Skegee (talk) 03:40, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Skegee. I think what RoySmith was suggesting in the comment he left when he declined your submission of Draft:Tuskegee Airmen, Incorporated was not to simply copy and paste everything in the draft into List of Tuskegee Airmen, Inc chapters, but rather only some primary content about the organization into the introductory section of the list article. What you've done (almost certainly unintentionally) is to essentially try and skip the AfC process and "create" an article about "Tuskegee Airmen, Incorporated" within an already existing article. This type of usurptation, even unintentional, is not really a good idea because it may end up simply leading to your version of the article being discussed at WP:AFD. A stand-alone list article is pretty much as its name suggests intended to not really be anything more than a list with some basic introductory content about the list as a whole or about its individual entries. You seem to be trying to do something entirely different. Perhaps RoySmith or others might see things differently, but I think this is something which should be sorted before any change in the name of the article. As for a title change, it's bascially a page move which is not too hard to do; however, I have a sense that such a move might be a bit controversial since you attempting to do much more than just change the name of the article. In such cases, it's probably better to follow the advice given in WP:RM#CM. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:16, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Skegee, Howdy hello and welcome to the Teahouse! For starters, if you are associated with with that group, that is a conflict of interest, which you need to disclose by following the steps at WP:COI. Also you misunderstood the draft reviewer, in merging the content, they meant merging a very small amount of notable content. The content will need cutting down, as you have added a lot of facts that already exist in an encyclopedic format at the article about the Tuskegee airmen. The wording you have used is not in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia, and is in a promotional "FAQ" style that would feature better on a website about the organization than here. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 06:18, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
One other thing, Skegee. We generally do not use terms like "inc." or "Ltd" in article titles. We don't always use the formal name of a company as the article title. Instead, we use WP:COMMONNAME. Not using "Inc" is specified in our WP:MOS, but I don't remember where. Sorry, as it's a huge document. John from Idegon (talk) 11:04, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Skegee, as noted below, yes, I think you misunderstood my comments. When reviewing, we tend to slip into jargon; my apologies if that led to my meaning being obscured.
When we say "merge X into Y", without qualification, that means a wholesale combination of the two articles. "Selective merge" means to pick an choose the best material. What I actually wrote was, "very selective merge", which implies that only a small fraction of the material should be used.
I see that this has been further complicated by List of Tuskegee Airmen, Inc chapters being nominated for deletion. I don't think this was due in any way to your actions, other than incidentally in that it brought it to people's attention. Sometimes that happens. My suggestion at this point would be to undo the merge, and wait for the AfD to run to conclusion before doing anything else. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:43, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
@John from Idegon: I think, in this case, the "Inc" suffix would be necessary to distinguish the organization from the original Tuskegee Airmen fighter group. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:49, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
AlanM1, I don't think that's the best way to DAB that...Tuskegee Airman (organization) would be better. But, that's a topic for the talk page. John from Idegon (talk) 20:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

American and non-American variants

How do I know which articles want to add/keep the American or the Non-American variant of a word? For example "favour" and "favor."LucasA04 (talk) 20:06, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@LucasA04: Welcome to Wikipedia. It depends on if the subject of the article is American or not, and also what style is already in use in the article. See WP:ENGVAR for more details. RudolfRed (talk) 20:09, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, I'm doing Mao Zedong and the Non-American variant is present. I also looked at WP:ENGVAR and saw that there is an exception if the article has strong ties to America or Britian. Mao Zedong is Chinese, but to say that China is British or American would be a stretch. For now, I have not changed it to the American variant, only to keep the original format, but just let me know if it should be changed based on what I've said. LucasA04 (talk) 20:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

LucasA04, if the non-American (and I shudder to use this word as there are different variants of non-American) English is being used the convention is to continue using that style. Sometimes articles have an {{use XXX English}} at the top of the article which lets editors know which variant to use, though I can see that there isn't anything like that at Mao Zedong. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:31, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@Tenryuu, that's because it's where it's supposed to be, at the top of the article's talk page rather than on the article itself… The general rule is "whichever English variant the article is written in, stick with that unless there's a very strong consensus to change it". ‑ Iridescent 20:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Ok, thank you very much both of you. LucasA04 (talk) 20:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Iridescent, I'm referring to the {{Use British English}} template used in the article which adds the article to the respective hidden category but also serves as a reminder for editors to use that variant of English. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

how do we get a job

100.8.247.253 (talk) 19:10, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  • Hi, IP. This is a forum for advice on editing Wikipedia. Frankly, that sounds like question for your parents. If you need help editing Wikipedia, please stop back. John from Idegon (talk) 19:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello IP editor, this is the Teahouse, where new editors can ask questions about using Wikipedia. We are, unfortunately, not a search engine. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:18, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
And if you meant a job with Wikipedia, all here are unpaid volunteers. There is a Wikimedia Foundation, see https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/. But I doubt they are hiring. David notMD (talk) 20:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Maybe you ment the Wikipedia:Task Center? TheFibonacciEffect (talk) 21:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Check out employment --HillelFrei• talk • 22:33, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Multiple changes to article with no additional references...

There has been content modified on the article Cyndra MacDowall but User:R03E111 did not add references to support the changes. This User does not have a User page nor do they have a Talk page User talk:R03E111, so it is not possible to communicate with them. What should be done in this situation? Do I just undo the changes? Thank you! LorriBrown (talk) 15:35, 19 April 2020 (UTC) LorriBrown (talk) 15:35, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, LorriBrown. Yes, it is possible to communicate. Simply create their use talk page by leaving a message about your concerns at User talk:R03E111. You don't need permission to do that. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 15:44, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Cullen328 True and I did leave a message on the article talk page... but if a user does not have an active page or active talk page what is the odds that they will get the message? I wasn't aware that you could make changes to articles without supporting references. Just to add stuff because you may know or believe it to be true. LorriBrown (talk) 16:37, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Plus, there are only two edits by this user and they are both on this article to make changes that are not supported by references.LorriBrown (talk) 16:42, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
The edits made by R03E111 were unreferenced, but seem constructive. They replaced unreferenced information by other unreferenced information, and I see no reason to prefer the old version. Wikipedia gives the impression that "R03E111 has no user page and no talk page", which I think is a bit misleading. I would rather say "R03E111 has nothing on their user page or their talk page". Maproom (talk) 16:51, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
... I've added two [citation needed] tags to the article, and removed an unsourced date. Maproom (talk) 16:57, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
LorriBrown, in regards to them "get[ting] the message", if you leave a message on their talk page and sign it, they will get an alert saying "You have new messages", kind of like how you got this one. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:01, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
I think if it's on their talkpage, you don't even have to sign it. But you should, of course. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:38, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
@LorriBrown: It's best to use the article's talk page to discuss the article anyway, so that the conversation is easily found by others editing the article. If you leave a message on the article talk page regarding a particular user's edits, make sure you ping them (in this case, with {{Ping|R03E111}}) or mention them (with {{U|R03E111}}). They will receive a notification with a link, just like you did for this message. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:20, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
AlanM1 Thank you for your input. I did leave a message for User:R03E111 on the article talk page; however, since it appeared to be a new user with only two edits, both on this article I wondered if I would get a response, which I have not to date. Thank you, LorriBrown (talk) 22:37, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

WikiProjects

I recently nominated and achieved New Albion for GA recognition. Now, I am turning my attention to the Talk page which you may view HERE. That attention has resulted in questions regarding WikiProjects. The article is listed as active in five projects; namely, two relating to California and one each in Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia. The article is only marginally related to Washington and British Columbia and only slightly more so to Oregon. It is perfectly fitting to be included in the San Francisco and California projects. All of these projects have the article assessed as either C quality or not assessed. How is this changed, and is there anything I should do relating to this?

I believe there are projects for which this is quite appropriate--much more so than Oregon Washington, and British Columbia--yet they are not listed, to wit: Geography, England, Military, Military History, and probably others. Is there a specified or proper protocol for which these projects are notified, and is there anything I should do relating to this?

Thank you for your kind attention, and I look forward to hearing from you.05:25, 21 April 2020 (UTC)Hu Nhu (talk)

Hi User:Hu Nhu welcome to the Teahouse. Pls review Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#Tagging pages with WikiProject banners..'s not recommended to remove project . More projects watching over a page might be best. More people will see notices and the like thru their project pages PS jumped in to help with talk page requests..--Moxy 🍁 05:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Appears that achieving GA jumped all projects to GA, which I believe is standard. David notMD (talk) 13:41, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi User:David notMD and User:Moxy. Thank you for your response, and I also appreciate your prompt attention. I've always found the Teahouse to be very helpful.Hu Nhu (talk) 23:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Inserting images

Exact steps to insert photo in an edit. Draft:The Burgess Battery Company Wdeibel (talk) 06:56, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Wdeibel. There are already some images being used in this draft, so are you asking how to add some more. It will depend on what type of image you're looking to add. If the files already exist on Wikimedia Commons (like the ones already being used in the draft), then you can add them as explained in Help:Pictures. If, however, you want to upload new images and then add them to the article, then whether it's OK to do so will depend upon the copyright status of the images as explained in c:Commons:Licensing and Wikipedia:Uploading images.
One thing you might want to focus on first, however, is finding better sources that help clearly establish the company's Wikipedia notability per Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). This page was recently draftified by an administrator named DGG so you might want to ask him about it at Draft talk:The Burgess Battery Company to figure out what needs to be done to address his concerns about the subject's Wikipedia notability (or lack thereof). Adding more images to the draft isn't going to make it Wikipedia notable per WP:ARTN. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:29, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Marchuly, Wdeibel, the problem isn't notability -- the problem is that too much of the text reads like it was copied from varioussource ,although I can not immediately find them. A general rewriting would be the way to deal with it. DGG ( talk ) 00:36, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for clarifying that DGG. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Untitled Question

Untitled Question

How do you cite if you just know it but you don't remember were you learned it?Dani Hart ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 18:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, DaniHart08. I'm afraid the answer is, "You find a published reliable source for the information and cite that". If you can't find a reliable published source, then the information does not belong in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 18:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
DaniHart08, unfortunately (for you, I guess. I think it perfectly appropriate), every single thing you add here must come from reliable secondary sources, which you should paraphrase and cite. We do not allow original research. We do not add what we "just know". ) WP:V is one of our most important policies. John from Idegon (talk) 20:17, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@DaniHart08: Please note that, per WP:SIGLINK, signatures must include at least one direct internal link to your user page, user talk page, or contributions page. See WP:CUSTOMSIG for more details on customization if you need it. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:49, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

How to edit table like this?

Hello there, Could somebody please show me 1) how I can edit the table: "properties of vegetable oils" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetable_oil#Composition_of_fats 2) how I can add a column to that table for example after the "total" column, as this table is missing the Omega 6 : 3 ratios. Thanks very much!TheBritishColumbian (talk) 02:46, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

TheBritishColumbian, the table is transcluded from Template:Vegetable oils, composition. I'm not super versed in using HTML within tables, but you would need to use the rowspan and colspan attributes, probably the latter. There's more information over at H:TABLE, particularly H:TABLE#HTML attributes. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:57, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Random Link to a mathematics page

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I would like to have my browser display a random link to a mathematics page, however most math articles arent in the Category:Mathematics category. How can I get a random link to articles like calculus that are "children" of the Mathematics category?

PS: I am very new to wikipedia and I am glad for any advice you can give me :D

Thank you and happy editingTheFibonacciEffect (talk) 21:06, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

To answer your hidden question, if you want to link to a category, rather than place this page into the category, you need to precede it with a semi-colon, so [[:Category:Mathematics]] gives Category:Mathematics. --David Biddulph (talk) 22:11, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@TheFibonacciEffect: He means "precede it with a colon". As far as the answer to your question, I don't know that there's a way to do this. More info about the random article feature is at WP:RANDOM. Something using WP:SEARCH with the deepcat: option and some kind of random key might be an avenue to investigate. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 04:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

ASIN vs ISBN

Quick Question - how do you template a book when the online info has an ASIN instead of an ISBN? Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 22:05, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Maineartists, welcome to the Teahouse. The {{cite book}} template has parameters for both ASIN and ISBN. For ASINs, do {{cite book|asin=whatever the number is}}. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:28, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
@Maineartists: ASIN is Amazon's id number. If the book has an ISBN (which would be shown in the bibliographic info on the Amazon page), please use that instead, since it is vendor-independent. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 04:12, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Article title rules

What are the rules for the title of an article?LucasA04 (talk) 04:24, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi LucasA04. You can find some information on this in Wikipedia:Article titles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Marchjuly, Thank you. LucasA04 (talk) 04:28, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

NEW LEADER'S EDUCATION SYSTEM NEHANG

NEW LEADER'S EDUCATION SYSTEM (NLES) rdu:نیو لیڈرز ایجو کیشن سسٹم نہنگ) is a public SCHOOL based in Sargodha, Punjab, Pakistan.

It was founded in 2017 by an ordinance MALIK TASAWAR HUSSAIN KAMBOH. The main campus is located in Nehang. School has one Ali campus located in Ahli Kamboh. Its first acting chairman.[1] .AliHassan0524843 (talk) 03:33, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

AliHassan0524843, did you have a question? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
This is a forum for questions on the editing of Wikipedia. To create an article about this school in Pakistan, please first read WP:YFA. Feel free to come back to this forum in the future if you have questions. --HillelFrei• talk • 04:41, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

How to start a new article with the same name as another page?

I want to start an article on a Cuban writer and professor, but there is already two pages called "Rolando Perez"about other people (sports and music). How do I create a third page that is not confused with the prior two?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolando_Perez https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolando_Antonio_P%C3%A9rez_Fern%C3%A1ndez

I want to create one of this Cuban writer.

Rolando Pérez is Associate Professor at Hunter College (CUNY). He specializes in twentieth century Latin American literature, and his research interests include the relationship between literature and art and between philosophy and literature. His on-going projects consist of reading literary texts vis-à-vis the philosophical concepts of thinkers like Nietzsche, Deleuze, Guattari, Baudrillard, Badiou, Levinas, and Dussel, to name a few. Pérez is author of On An(archy) and Schizoanalysis (1990), Severo Sarduy and the Religion of the Text (1988), Severo Sarduy and the Neo-Baroque Image of Thought in the Visual Arts(2012).Latinxtranslator1 (talk) 18:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Latinxtranslator1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You would add what is called a disambiguation to the title; for example, "Rolando Pérez (writer)". I would suggest, though, that you use Articles for Creation to submit a draft- and if you do, the reviewer can worry about the actual title. 331dot (talk) 19:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello Latinxtranslator1! Normally I'd suggest something like Rolando Perez (Academic) or Rolando Perez (Cuban academic), but neither is very good in case, though perhaps acceptable. That said, if your article doesn't show WP:BASIC/WP:NACADEMIC, it won't be accepted. I suggest you start as a HELP:Userspace draft. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:11, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
I they have no middle name or initial , the suffix(academic) is the usual solution. It's clear enough to guide people. DGG ( talk ) 05:12, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

How to start editing Wikipedia?

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How can I start editing Wiki?Vishal prajapati 21 (talk) 06:11, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Vishal prajapati 21: Welcome to the Teahouse. You can start editing Wikipedia by clicking on "edit page" at the top of a page. You can head over to the Wikipedia:Community portal if you would like suggestions. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:33, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@Vishal prajapati 21:, start with Help:Introduction. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@Vishal prajapati 21:' WP:EDITING might help. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 12:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@Vishal prajapati 21: Or try out our interactive tour called The Wikipedia Adventure and collect 15 different badges to demonstrate your achievements along the way. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:56, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu , Gråbergs Gråa Sång , REDMAN 2019 , Nick Moyes Thank you so much all of you for giving me advice . I got it .Now I'll try to contribute on Wikipedia as much as it is possible to create new articles and by editing the existing articles.Vishal prajapati 21 (talk) 05:33, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Linking media pages to articles

Hello!! Kaisquared here. I would like to ask if it is possible to link a reliable media article to a wikipedia article without the link being removed for copyright reasons.Kaisquared (talk) 21:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I would also like to add that the question above is related to a Biography of a Living person

@Kaisquared: Yes, if it's reliable, please cite it. See WP:REFBEGIN if you need help with referencing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@Tenryuu: Okay, I am reading it right now. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaisquared (talk • contribs) 22:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@Kaisquared: Links cannot themselves be copyright violations. See WP:LINK and WP:EL for correct use of links. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 04:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Well, see WP:COPYVIOEL. There are links we don't include for copyright reasons. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

"Urgent checking or reviewing of article"

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia. I wrote an encyclopedic article named "Saath charitable trust", which I submitted to Wikipedia. So there's urgent need for me to get my article reviewed and to get answer whether my article is being accepted or rejected. Please I request any one reviewer to review my article as I made all necessary changes that were required. Please it's a sincere request. The reason for urgent reviewing is university assignment I need to submit them the article by 23rd. Please helpMayank.b2 (talk) 02:42, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mayank.b2:Hello and welcome to the teahouse. Wikipedia editors are volunteers and we do not operate on any set deadlines. It might get reviewed today or it might get reviewed in two weeks. If your professor has set an assignment for you to get a published article, then that is an unreasonable requirement, as no one can guarantee publication. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Your draft Draft:Saath Charitable Trust has been declined five times, with reviewers each time given reasons. You have submitted it a sixth. There is a strong possibility that it will be Rejected and deleted and banned as a possible topic without approval first from an Administrator. P.S. The organization's own website cannot be used as a reference. David notMD (talk) 02:48, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
@Mayank.b2: Reviewers will review drafts in the backlog; it may take days or months. I strongly suggest your instructor take a look at WP:ASSIGN, as posting an assignment to get an article published is highly discouraged. Is your instructor collaborating with the education program? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Declined, in no way was that ready for publishing. It needs to be rewritten with less puffery. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 04:13, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Mayank.b2. I'm sorry that your tutor has set you an impossible task. Aside from a few things tht could impact Wikipedia legally, such as removing copyright violations and personal attacks, nothing on Wikipedia is urgent. Absolutely nothing. Please show your tutor WP:Education program/Educators, and WP:There is no deadline. --ColinFine (talk) 08:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Am I allowed to make an alt account?

Hello! I am a fairly new user in Wikipedia and I would like to know if I could make a second account. This account would only be used so I could run bots (ex. citation bot) on wiki pages. I read about sock puppets but I did not understand if what I want to do would be considered sockpuppetry. Thank you!Kinukram (talk) 12:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kinukram. That sounds fine to me. VALIDALT says "Editors who use bots are encouraged to create separate accounts". --ColinFine (talk) 12:16, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Airplane creator/founder

Who invented the airplane? - ImMuslimandimnotaterrorist (talk) 13:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ImMuslimandimnotaterrorist, and welcome to the Teahouse. The Teahouse is not the best place for this kind of question - it's for questions about editing Wikipedia - but you can ask them at the Reference desk. But in this case, it's even easier: you just need to look at the Wikipedia article airplane! --ColinFine (talk) 13:57, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
@ColinFine: I guess we answered at the same time with similar answers. Interstellarity (talk) 13:58, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
@ImMuslimandimnotaterrorist: The Teahouse is the place to ask and receive answers regarding how to use or edit Wikipedia. Perhaps you can read the article on Airplane to find the answer to that. Interstellarity (talk) 13:57, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

With reference to Draft: Shakir Ali Noorie

Dear teahouse editor can you please help me with above draft for its improvement so that it can shifted to main space, thanksMaizbhandariya (talk) 02:30, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Maizbhandariya, I've done a little bit of copyediting, but some of the material sounds promotional; I suggest you report on the subject with more neutrality (see WP:PUFFERY for more detail). When it's ready click on the "Submit for review" button at the top. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:41, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
I question whether the Spiritual lineage belongs in the article. Are you saying that this is a lineage of teachers/mentors? David notMD (talk) 02:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
I think that it is a spiritual lineage, followed by the Sufi orders. I recommend it be kept short, like saying he is a disciple of so and so Sufi in so and so branch. Else, as the draft seems is promotion of Dawat e Islami as noticed by Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝. The submission should have a summarized head, which may or may not contain inline citation, followed by sections, Early life, education, Career, literary works and so on. These issues need to be fixed. I notice, Maizbhandariya removing AfC comments from the draft submission; this should not be done. Let them remain there so that the next reviewer checks whether the issue has been addressed or not. Best - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 15:35, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Need help

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Dear editor can you please help me with the Draft:Shakir Ali Noorie whether it is ready for submission or not and new changes for improvement of the Draft required thanksMaizbhandariya (talk) 09:06, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Very important question

Why is the "help page" called the teahouse? --LucasA04 (talk) 22:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

LucasA04, it's used to convey a calm place where (new) editors can relax and ask questions. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
LucasA04, You can find some some info on the FAQ and here Wylie39 (talk) 00:19, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Image of tea and a bit extra David notMD (talk) 00:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Bacon butty and mug of tea
LucasA04, Possibly because Wikipedians like me find comfort in Tea. This is a teahouse and I call it my comfort room. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 15:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

When will my page on Dev Dushyant Kumar Joshi be created. What are the steps to ensure successful creation of pages.

Harshit00111 (talk) 16:15, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Harshit00111. Welcome to Wikipedia. Are you creating the page yourself? Have you requested the page's creation? If not, please go here and review the guides. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles puggo (talk) 16:24, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Welcome to The Teahouse. Your draft Draft:Dev Dushyant Kumar Joshi has not been submitted for review but it has no sources at all so would be declined. Theroadislong (talk) 16:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Harshit00111, your page has not yet been submitted for review. However, before you submit it, it needs to be referenced to reliable sources. A reader of the article needs to be able to check where all the information in the article has come from. Please have a read of either Help:Introduction to referencing with Wiki Markup/1 or Help:Introduction to referencing with VisualEditor/1, depending on your preference, add references, then submit your article to be reviewed.
As to the steps, when your article is ready, place {{subst:submit}} on the page. This then adds it to the queue to be reviewed. A reviewer will then check over the article, then either move it to mainspace as a normal article, or give you additional feedback to improve it. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 16:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:George Schaefer neutrality

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How would I make the below article more neutral, as it was noted for having too much praise? Anything else you would add? Thanks!

Article content

George Schaefer

George Schaefer (1928 - 2013) was an American businessman known for his leadership with the Caterpillar Inc. construction equipment company.

After graduating from Saint Louis University in 1951, Schaefer began his career at Caterpillar where he spent the next 39 years. Schaefer became chairman and CEO of Caterpillar in 1985 until 1990 when he retired.

George Schaefer took over Caterpillar during troubled times, as the company's losses amounted to nearly $1 billion, strikes were prevalent at most of its plants across America, and foreign competition was becoming very strong. In 1985, Schaefer began his transformation of Caterpillar through a number of cost-cutting efforts, most notably having production take place offshore. Schaefer moved away from the centralized business model by implementing a number different programs which he had previously designed: venture capital, financial services, and product development. This structure that Schaefer created still remains in place today for the construction equipment company. Schaefer was also responsible for changing the company name from Caterpillar Tractor Co. to Caterpillar Inc. The transformation that Schaefer led while chairman drove Caterpillar from losses and uncertain times to achieving exponential profits and global growth.

Schaefer was appointed to Ronald Regan's advisory committee for Trade Negotiations in April of 1987.

Csmswim (talk) 16:31, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Csmswim: Using words like "troubled" and "transformation" in a manner like that are more in line with narratives, not neutral prose. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:37, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Children's literature

I'm not sure I spelled that right, (Children's literature) but lets get to what I wan't to say.

Why is this article under the needs help page in the Tea House? ( WP:TH ) I looked over it, and there doesn't appear to have anything wrong at first glance. Could someone help me, cause I don't get it. The link to the page is here

14:48, 22 April 2020 (UTC)Shadowblade08 (talk)

Reasons given: "Unsourced passages need footnotes [citation needed] (January 2017), Weasel-worded phrases (January 2017), Unsourced passages need footnotes (August 2017), Dead external links [dead link] (August 2017, August 2019)" So, references needed, and some of the External links are to websites that no longer work, so need updating or deleting. David notMD (talk) 15:03, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Good point. Totally agree. Python eggs (talk) 17:15, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Creative commons

I will be using a Wikimedia file tagged

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To omit the "This template should only be used on file pages" comment, what is the edit methodology for showing this source as a footnote reference on a Wikipedia page? DMBanks1 (talk) 14:20, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

DMBanks1, Could you provide some more details? If you're using a picture on a page, no need to provide the attribution in the article, Wikipedia's backend takes care of all of that. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 15:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
@CaptainEek: Calvin O.Benson has indicated to me that the attribution for the image must also be footnoted on the Wikipedia page itself. Although this may well not be a legal necessity, is there a way to achieve this end so that all parties are happy? DMBanks1 (talk) 16:16, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
DMBanks1, Well hold up here. If the photo is copyright by Benson, we can't use it. If he's released it by CC-SA license then we can, but it can't be fully copyrighted (all rights reserved) and CC-SA. Please make sure he understands that by releasing a photo CC-SA (which needs to be confirmed by WP:OTRS email if he himself did not upload it) he is allowing anyone to reuse it with attribution. Anyone, not just Wikipedia.
If he wants his photo footnoted on the page too, that goes beyond CC-SA and we can't use it. You can tell him that it will be footnoted on the photo page, as are all photo permissions, and that it will be visible when people click on the photo to see. But putting at the bottom of an article makes no sense. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 16:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
@CaptainEek: Many thanks. I've passed on your comments. DMBanks1 (talk) 17:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

delete of page

hello every one,it's a Q for me what are references can help me to explain the importance truly? how I have to search for good references? thanks.راضیه کاشی (talk) 16:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You can find out more about references at Wikipedia:References. Wikipedia articles need to have significant coverage - coverage greater than just in passing - in reliable sources - sources that can be trusted. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 17:04, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Dear راضیه کاشی, Normal of that would be a random search on google, in English and native language both, bearing in mind that the references shouldn't be from blogs and close related portals. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (talk) 17:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
so as you said news websites and festival sites should be okay for a person notability yes?Ra_Ka 17:14, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Festival sites are not independent of their subject, so, "no".--Quisqualis (talk) 19:07, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

How to find easy articles to edit

Hello, I am trying to find articles that need simple copyediting and grammatical fixes to edit. How do I find a list of those? How do I mark that I have fixed them once I have?Bgardener32 (talk) 19:00, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Bgardener32 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for wanting to contribute. You can find such a list at the Community Portal. 331dot (talk) 19:04, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
I'm not immediately sure about your second question. 331dot (talk) 19:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Bgardener32, welcome to the Teahouse. As 331dot pointed out, the Community Portal is a good place to look for articles that need maintenance (including copyediting). If you're asking about attribution, your edit is saved in the article's history (which can be accessed by clicking history at the top of the article (or you can use Alt+⇧ Shift+H as a keyboard shortcut). If there was a {{copy edit}} tag added you can remove it when the article has been proofread.
Shameless plug: If you're interested in copyediting, please feel free to check out the Guild of Copyeditors WikiProject. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:12, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Citing embedded sources

What's the protocol for citing references within a reference? I'm looking at sources in modern English, with mounds of footnotes referring to earlier sources in ancient Greek. Do I need to catalogue these original sources (even though I haven't, and can't read them), or can I just cite the book/article I got the information from in the first place? Thanks 21:51, 20 April 2020 (UTC)Maryanne Cunningham (talk)

Hello Maryanne Cunningham - that's a very good question. I would say that, providing the source you are wanting to cite can definitely be regarded as a Reliable Source in its own right, then you do not need to cite the sources used by that source. Following that idea to its logical conclusion would mean that we would need to know and cite every individual source used within every 'reliable source'. That's why use of the term 'reliable' is so important. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! Nick Moyes Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 19:19, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Question

Do "invisible messages" really work? I've been using them for a while now and I wonder, have I been using the correct way? I use them to remind other users to do this or that, or to tell them that this is not right. Am I doing it right?LucasA04 (talk) 17:37, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@LucasA04: Welcome to Wikipedia. Please explain what you mean by "invisible messages", to help us answer your question. RudolfRed (talk) 18:14, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
RudolfRed, this, You will usually see it when you're visual editing, but you can look at it as well through source editing. LucasA04 (talk) 19:35, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
LucasA04, yes, they will show up on both visual and source editors. Whether editors read the comments or not is up to them. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Martha Richards

gave it a section heading

I added a lot of information to this page and then submitted it for review, but now when I look at the draft, there are only a few sentences (a fraction of what was originally there). What's the reason for this? Did the other things I added get deleted? I also got a notification that this page had not been approved, but now looking at the draft it says "Review Waiting" again.Charliewitherspoon222 (talk) 19:58, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

View history shows that content removed because it was copied from a copyright protected source. Need to paraphrase instead, and cite. David notMD (talk) 20:15, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Google Books as source

Is a book found in Google Books an acceptable source? The book in question was published by a major publishing house. It has footnotes giving its sources, although in Google Books the page of footnotes that backs up the passage I'm interested in is missing, as Google Books does. I have looked for a better source for a paragraph on a page I was reading, James Pike. The rather lengthy, detailed paragraph about his death has no inline sources at all. I looked for a reliable source and found just blogs and other dubious sources, until I came across this biography of him at https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/kc6l3Cos440C. I suppose another way to go would be to look through the page's history, find who added that paragraph, go to that editor's talk page, and ask for a source from her or him. Dgndenver (talk) 16:40, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Dgndenver. All that matters is that the source has been reliably published: it doesn't have to be on line at all. If it is available through Google Books, then that is a convenience that makes things easier for the reviewer or the reader; but it is not required. However, you should not add a citation to a source that you have not seen yourself, just because you have seen it cited somewhere. It may be that somebody at WP:WRE can help you find the cited material. --ColinFine (talk) 20:36, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

History

Is it possible to write history about the whole word??Azola Mlotywa (talk) 20:37, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Azola Mlotywa: That topic seems a bit too general. Instead, Wikipedia contains articles about specific things, and many articles contain a section of the history of the subject of the article. (There is an article on Human history.) If you have a more specific question, feel free to ask. Regards, HillelFrei• talk • 20:50, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

About merging user account

Is there any way on English Wikipedia to merge user accounts?— GargAvinash talk 20:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@GargAvinash: unfortunately not - you have to pick the one you want and abandon the other. You can leave a note on the user page of the abandoned account pointing to the other account, explaining the situation. It's discouraged for editors to have multiple accounts unless there's a good reason, described at WP:SOCKLEGIT. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 20:57, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
@Timtempleton: Thanks for the reply. — GargAvinash talk 21:04, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

How to change a photo in an entry

7donohoe7 (talk) 20:32, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey @7donohoe7:. Just press edit, and replace the file name with the name file you want to replace it with. For example, remove File:example.jpg and replace those words with File:secondexample.jpg. --HillelFrei• talk • 20:39, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
7donohoe7, HillelFrei's advice is right if the new picture is already available in Wikimedia Commons. If it isn't, it will have to be uploaded there, and that requires determining if the copyright is acceptable. If you took the new picture yourself, you will usually hold the copyright, and you can license it as "own work"; but otherwise, you generally need the copyright holder to donate it. See Help:Upload, and donating copyright material. --ColinFine (talk) 21:06, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Acquiring knowledge isn't understanding

Wikipedia defines knowledge as a understanding, but it isn't the same thing. Knowledge needs to be revised.Understanding is different. aEliasladd (talk) 21:30, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Eliasladd: you can comment on a specific article on it's talk page, see Talk:Knowledge. In general, if you notice an error on Wikipedia, feel free to contribute. Wikipedia's content is written by volunteer editors. --HillelFrei• talk • 21:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Web Page Moved

I have a personal web page that has been cited several times by other authors on Wikipedia, although I have scrupulously avoided citing it myself. Due to a mix-up in domain renewal, my site has been moved from "www.quadibloc.com" to "quadibloc.com". I'm not sure if it would be considered legitimate for me to edit these links myself. Quadibloc (talk) 09:35, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

My thoughts are best practice would be to set url-status=dead/usurped in the citation and looked up an archive version at archive.org/web and set archive-url and archive-date. IABot can sometimes be kicked to help. Others may advise differently.Djm-leighpark (talk) 10:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
I don't see that archiving is relevant, Djm-leighpark (though it might be a good idea for other reasons): the page has simply moved. Quadibloc: my feeling is that you can simply update those URLs as long as you are transparent in your edit summary. An alternative strategy would be to put an edit request on the relevant articles' talk pages. --ColinFine (talk) 11:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
@ColinFine: I think archiving is very relevant and the best way to go though many may see it as over the top, in this case Quadibloc sees of very good faith; there are a few who are not so reasonable. As web pages can change the archived copy of the original is likely the best source.Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
@Quadibloc: a search for "www.quadibloc.com" in our pages yielded these eleven results and of the few pages I checked with "www." in the name, they all still went to quadibloc.com without the www. (e.g. the External links given at Linear-feedback shift register and Penrose tiling). So I'm just wondering whether this is actually anything to be concerned about - or maybe it's just my browser making that redirect?. I certainly don't feel that making a minor change in url to the same overall domain is a serious COI issue. You could even cite this Teahouse discussion in your edit summary. Thanks for being open and upfront. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:24, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
@Quadibloc: I don't understand. If you are the registrant of the domain quadibloc.com, you have control over any sub-domains and hostnames (like www.quadibloc.com) via your DNS records. In this case, both quadibloc.com and www.quadibloc.com resolve to the same IP address – 216.194.64.152, which is lenny.tera-byte.com, which looks like a server at tera-byte.com, an Alberta web hosting provider. Browsing quadibloc.com or www.quadibloc.com produces exactly the same page, and (with Javascript enabled) goes to the same sub-page /desk.htm. Nothing to do regarding this, AFAICT.
Now, it seems there is a problem with your username, per WP:ISU, since it implies shared use because it is the name of your company. I notice it's been registered since 2006. Has the issue come up before? Any admins care to comment? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Publishing for a Middle Eastern Food company on Wikipadeia

Dear all, first I really thank Wikipedia's prompt responses. It appeared that I did not have a lot of idea what to mention and what not on Wikipedia. Can anyone guide me, show me links of other company pages, articles, What I should include and what not. I am responsible to publish a 41-year-old food company page on Wiki, but I don't know which subjects are relevant. I believe this company has a very special role in making Lebanese food worldwide. 14 million Lebanese live outside of their motherland and Al Wadi brand means a lot to them. Please guide me on how my article can be eligible.

thanks in advanceArmen Sepetjian (talk) 10:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Armen Sepetjian: Wikipedia is run by unpaid volunteers. When you say I am responsible to publish a 41-year-old food company page on Wiki, it sounds like you need to disclose a conflict of interest per our policy on paid editing.
Don't bother looking at other articles: you'll only see the wrong parts.
Here is a recipe for an article that will not be rejected. What you need to do is show notability by summarizing and citing at least three professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are not connected to, affiliated with, or dependent upon the Al Wadi brand. Focus on that to get the article approved before you do anything else. Ian.thomson (talk) 10:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Armen Sepetjian Your draft was a clear advertisement. Please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what a company wants to say about itself. Wikipedia is only interested in what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about a company, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. Not every company merits an article here, even within the same field. Feel free to show your superiors this message. 331dot (talk) 10:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
@Armen Sepetjian: To put it a different way, nobody should be responsible to publish a Wikipedia page about themselves/their company/family/organization/charity/etc. on Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia – like Encyclopædia Britannica, World Book, or Encarta – not a business directory or means of promotion. There are places on the web that are specifically designed to help promote people and companies – Wikipedia is definitely not one of them. Wikipedia happens to have articles about a small number of companies (relative to the millions in the world), only because those companies have been written about extensively in independent reliable sources without direct involvement by the company, making them notable for Wikipedia's purposes. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:22, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Adding Language Tab

Siddiqui.hamid (talk) 11:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Siddiqui.hamid: Do you have a question about editing or using Wikipedia? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Becoming an Administrator

Hi there,

I have been editing and attempting to improve Wikipedia articles for over two years, and my dream has been always to become an administrator by helping and protecting Wikipedia. I just realised that you had to be an actual user, and not IP, so I’m not sure what to do, as this could potentially be years of pointless tiring work, so can someone help me?

Cheers, EGL1234

EGL1234 (talk) 11:42, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

EGL1234 I would suggest that instead of setting out with the goal of getting administrator rights, that you just set out with the goal of being a good Wikipedia editor, and making improvements or helping out in ways that interest you. Once you spend a long time(likely years) developing a good edit history that shows you understand Wikipedia guidelines and policies, have a good temperament, good judgement, and a need for the tools, other users will notice you and nominate you. You can see WP:RFA for more information as well as some advice on the process. 331dot (talk) 11:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
331dot Thank you for your reply, but I'm not sure if I stated it well in the question (sorry), but I mean that I have spent many years (7 precisely) diligently editing and imroving articles on my IP account, and I realised that I had to be a user with an account, so I just created this, and is there any way I can "claim" my edits that I made on my IP address?

Cheers, EGL1234 EGL1234 (talk) 11:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@EGL1234: Kinda. Like, you could link to your IP address's contributions on your user page, and sign it from that IP address to verify that it was you.
Linking your account to your IP contributions would give you a head start, and that time spent would be decent practice toward becoming the sort of user that others would nominate for adminship. There's no time limit, it was about a decade until they decided to see if I'd burn this place down with a mop.
As I state in my guide If you have to ask, you're not ready to be an admin. If you're absolutely positive that you're ready to nominate yourself to be an admin, oh God no, you're not. You're probably only ready for WP:Requests for adminship when you know damn well why you shouldn't be an admin but other people insist you'd do a good job for some reason. Ian.thomson (talk) 12:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
EGL1234, I have been an editor since 2005, and have made nearly 17000 edits. I have never applied to be an administrator, because I don't hanker to do any of the things that you need that to do - in particular I am not good in conflict sitations, so I do not want to put myself into a job where I need to get involved in them. If you find a particular kind of activity that you can help Wikipedia with, that requires Admin rights, then by all means put yourself up for it. But otherwise: why? Admins are like the janitors: they do the dirty work that the rest of us don't have to get involved with. --ColinFine (talk) 12:13, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
ColinFine, I suppose you're correct. Its just I enjoy helping Wikipedia, and I do feel that I should be responsible for helping it, so I just wondered. Also, are you saying that I should apply if there is a specific thing I would like to sort out?

p.s. I also wondered what the criteria is to be allowed to make a bot.

Anyways, thanks a lot for you time. Cheers, EGL1234 (talk) 12:27, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

EGL1234 Keep in mind that you can do probably 95% of things on Wikipedia without having the admin tools. But as ColinFine says, if there is a particular thing you want to do that requires the admin tools(such as carrying out speedy deletions), then you might want to consider being nominated or nominating yourself. Regarding bots, please see the bot policy. 331dot (talk) 12:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
@EGL1234: A few years ago, someone nominated me for adminship. Because I was doing a lot of vandal-fighting at the time, I thought it would be more efficient for everyone if I were able to handle some of the admin duties myself instead of filing at AIV/UAA and waiting for an admin to work on it. One thing they don't tell you is that you _must_ have a good track record at AfD (with which I have no experience). Another is that there is a very fine line between acceptably and unacceptably defending yourself against unjust accusations, even about trivia. Prepare to have your every action and word scrutinized. My final vote was 47/33/14 – unsuccessful. It was a difficult and disappointing waste of time. My advice: if you like editing here, don't try to be an admin. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:53, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Creating an Article for an Organization

Can you ask an experienced editor to create an article for your organization in order to avoid COI?Nataliee97 (talk) 00:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Nataliee97, I'm not sure what article about an organization you want to create. You can create an article regardless if you have a COI or not through the Articles for Creation process. You just create a draft article and then submit it for review. If it's a good article that doesn't contain anything in What Wikipedia is not, then it'll be accepted. You can start at the article wizard. Alternatively, you can request an article to be crated. {{replyto}} Can I Log In's (talk) page 01:23, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for your response, Can I Log In. If I'm affiliated with the organization I'm writing an article for, do I have to disclose COI on the draft's Talk page? I'm currently drafting the article in my User page Sandbox, so I need to disclose COI on that page's Talk page? Sorry for all the questions, I'm very new at this. Nataliee97 (talk) 01:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Nataliee97 So you made a userspace draft. The talk page of your draft shows that you are an intern. So you work for them for money, which is a financial COI, so yes, you should declare a COI on the draft's talk page which you already have.
Also, irrelevant to your question, but when you make replies, use the colon ":" to indent to messages you are replying to. See WP:THREAD. {{replyto}} Can I Log In's (talk) page 02:53, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@Nataliee97: If you work on an article you're working for, you must declare it on the talk page of the draft (please use {{connected contributor (paid)}}). I myself do not know at what point it becomes inappropriate to continue editing an article about your organisation, but articles generally have their paid contributors submit edit requests through the article's talk page. As for declaring it on your own user page, you may use the {{Paid}} template. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@Tenryuu: Understood, thank you! Do you think I can request an article and attempt to create one on my own (and submit it for review) at the same time? Nataliee97 (talk) 04:43, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
{Edit Conflict with Can I Log In, but I'll re-ad this anyway] Hello, Nataliee97; welcome to the Teahouse. The answer to your question is Yes, you may certainly ask: the usual place to do so is at Wikipedia:Requested articles. Please read the instructions there carefully, click through the categories and sub-categories (for example; Business and economics, Companies, Initial letter of company name) and add the Organization's name, brief description and, crucially, links to or bibliographical details of some independent Reliable sources that describe the Company and establish what we call its Notability.
It is only fair to warn you, however, that the proportion of requests that get taken up by an experienced editor is fairly small. This is because nearly all editors are unpaid volunteers who work on what interests them when they have time. Wikipedia itself employs no paid editors. Also, as you may already realise, creating an acceptable new article is hard. I've been editing here for more than 15 years, and used to be a professional textbook editor, but I've never myself tried to write a new Wikipedia article.
Some people try to operate as independent paid editors who offer to create articles on behalf of clients (such as yourself, potentially) for money, but it is not a good idea to get involved with this. Many of them are actually not good at writing articles acceptable to Wikipedia, they are supposed to declare their own PAID and COI status, their contributions tend to be judged more harshly than those of volunteer editors by the volunteers who review articles for acceptability and, despite what an editor-for-hire may claim, they cannot guarantee that their work will be allowed to stand. They certainly cannot ensure that what they write is not then edited by others into a state that their client might not like: nobody owns an article, and an article's subject has less rights to influence its content than anybody else. Remember, it won't be "your Organisation's Wikipedia page", it will be Wikipedia's article about your Organization, "warts and all" if those warts are described by reputable sources.. See the essay Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, and also Streisand Effect. Remember also that Wikipedia absolutely forbids "promotion" of a subject.
If you/your Organization still want Wikipedia to have an article about it, you can increase your chances of getting an experienced editor involved by studying the Reliable sources and Notability pages I linked above, and including several (at least 3) such sources in your request on which that editor can begin to base an article. However, please do not add lots of sources which only give the Organization a passing mention or list entry, or any that are not completely independent of it (such as the Org's websites, press releases, interviews with officials even if in reputable journals, etc.): such non-independent sources can be used to corroborate minor facts about a subject (such as how many employees it currently has), but cannot contribute to confirming its Notability.
Good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.178.214 (talk) 02:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much, 2.122.178.214. Your response was very helpful. Do you think I can request an article and attempt to create one on my own at the same time? Also, If I'm affiliated with the organization I'm writing an article for (i.e. I'm an intern at the organization), do I have to disclose COI on the draft's Talk page? I'm currently drafting the article in my User page Sandbox, so should I disclose COI on that page's Talk page? Sorry for all the questions, I'm very new at this. Nataliee97 (talk) 04:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
I wouldn't advise that, Nataliee97: having two separate attempts at the same article often causes headaches. Better would be to try creating it yourself and at an early stage try and find a suitable WikiProject, and ask there. (If you find one, a third alternative would be to abandon your attempt, and ask there for a collaborator as your first step). If you are an intern at the organisation, you are regarded as a Paid editor, so you must make the declarations called for in that policy. --ColinFine (talk) 09:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
@ColinFine: Noted, thank you! Nataliee97 (talk) 23:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Digital Marketing

A cup of tea for Simone, to welcome her here.

Hi there, I would like to add new, cited information to update this page [[8]] What do I need to do? Thanks, --01:16, 23 April 2020 (UTC)LilMew88 (talk)

LilMew88, welcome to the Teahouse. The page you've linked to has been semi-protected, meaning that only users that are autoconfirmed (accounts older than 4 days and have at least 10 edits) can directly edit the article. If you wish to contribute to it now, navigate to the article's talk page and leave an edit request (in this case, {{edit semi-protected}}) on there. Write down where in the article you want changed, the content to add/change/remove, and the source that cites it. Apparently you are an autoconfirmed user, so you can edit the article directly. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:28, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello LilMew88 It's great to have you here. The page Digital Marketing is 'semi-protected', meaning that only 'autoconfirmed' users can edit it. That second term means that users must already have been here on Wikipedia for at least 4 days, and have made at least 10 edits, as Tenryuu says. Hooray! You have passed that point, so you may now edit it yourself! I suspect the page was originally protected because it probably attracted many of the wrong sort of people. You know, biased, promotional people who wanted simply to POV-push their own subject in a way that didn't fit with a neutral encyclopaedia. Oh yes, I remember, they're called 'Digital Marketeers'! Anyway, forgive the failed humour...
...If you feel a genuine need to add good quality content, you will need to base it upon reliably-published sources, not blogs, press releases and company websites, nor use all the promo-waffle that digital marketeers love to write. To help editors add and to cite these better sources, we have a guidance page (see WP:REFBEGIN). It's rubbish, in my view. So I wrote this: (WP:EASYREFBEGIN) which I'm sure will help if you get stuck. Let us know how you get on and maybe you might like to learn a bit more about this amazing encyclopaedia by trying out The Wikipedia Adventure. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:38, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Tenryuu and Nick Moyes Thank you for the feedback and advice! Duly noted. Please feel free to critique my edits, as I aim to improve, but am just a beginner, tying to do something good with my free time due to the stay-at-home orders. Thanks again!--LilMew88 (talk) 01:42, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@LilMew88: Brilliant! We can ask no more than you do your best. Everyone makes a few mistakes to begin with, so don't be discouraged by the odd editing error. It's a great learning experience, and here at the Teahouse we're happy to offer advice .... plus the occasional cuppa. Don't knock it! Nick Moyes (talk) 01:49, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
LilMew88: Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. My best advice is to Be bold and make the edits. if you think the edit could be controversial you could ask on the talk page of the article. If you make a mistake that's ok. It might get reverted, but hopefully, you will be able to learn from your mistakes. {{u|wylie39}} {Talk} 01:49, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Still being active on old pages

Hi there fellow Wikipedians, I just wanted to raise some awareness that some old articles' talk pages, e.g. Scalextric, have some unanswered questions (I have answered one of them), and no one is responding to people asking to add sections. An example is a request for a section on digital Scalextric on the page Scalextric. Please can someone still improve old articles, and I would do it, although being an inexperienced editor, I will probably mess up! Cheers, EGL1234 (talk) 05:10, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

EGL1234, per WP:s nature, that is quite common. There are millions more articles than there are active editors. If you can fix old issues noted on talkpages that's excellent, but the editor you replied to here [9] hasn't edited since 2006, and is unlikely to benefit from your response. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:32, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Episode table colours issue

I am currently working on a draft, and I noticed that the episode table in the linked section (User:RedBulbBlueBlood9911/sandbox#Talking Tom Heroes) uses the assigned colour for only the first 9 or 10 episodes. I haven’t noticed anything out of the ordinary, so can someone show me what’s wrong with the code?RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 07:51, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi there RedBulbBlueBlood9911, I have just reviewed your case, and I noticed that your table is styled the same for all episodes, including 9 and 10. If you did submit it now, the table would not look different for the different episodes, it would just have the blue styling that you put on.

Cheers, EGL1234 (talk) 08:08, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@RedBulbBlueBlood9911: Episode 10 to 21 say Linecolor instead of LineColor so the parameter is ignored. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:00, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
Ah, thanks for pointing that out, PrimeHunter. The table is rendering properly now that I’ve replaced the offending code. On a side note, I have no idea how the LineColor became Linecolor, since I copied the syntax using copy-paste. Anyways, thanks! RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 09:18, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Article Review

Hello. I need some help for Draft: Aaron D. Lewis, corrections have been made to this draft, I am yet to figure out why it has not been published, or why someone cannot help me with further corrections if needed. i will like someone to look into it. Thank you.TheEpistle (talk) 23:04, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

TheEpistle, it is currently in the review backlog. A reviewer will get to it when they can. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:35, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Reviewed and Declined. Reviewer provided reasons and additional Comments. David notMD (talk) 09:59, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Can this be specified

What is the difference between the wikitext editor and the visual editor. Also I use a spell checker extension called "Grammarly" to help me with identifying misspelled words and other things, it appears to have stopped working on both visual and source editor. I believe it has to do with a change I did in my "Gadgets" tab but I do not know which it could be. LucasA04 (talk) 04:23, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, LucasA04. Our wikitext editor (also known as Source Editor) is the original -and most powerful- way of creating content. You used it to write this question here. It uses quite simple commands to create formatting for bold or italics. It's a bit like a very simple HTML. Wikipedia:VisualEditor was created to be simpler to use, giving a WYSIWYG user interface. It does many simple tasks well, but can't do others. It was intended for beginners, and you will find most long-term editors, like me, stick with Source Editor.
I have heard of Grammarly (having been forced to sit through numerous awful ads for it on YouTube.) It looks to be an American product, and therein lies the risk if you try to use it (or indeed any other spellchecker) on Wikipedia. There are often perfectly acceptable alternative spellings for innumerable words. (colour/color; centre/center spring instantly to mind). As we do not permit any editor to try to force through their preferred way of spelling, users can get into difficulty if they blindly try to follow what some piece of software is telling them, without appreciating that Wikipedia is read right around the globe. See WP:ENGVAR for more guidance on this.
Finally, if you have made changes in your personal settings that you no longer like, you do have the option of resetting them all back to the default. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:27, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
As an addendum, I find they both outperform one another in different situations. Navigating tables is much easier with the visual editor, while building or editing templates is best done with the source editor, even if the visual editor could be used in template space. I generally refrain from using the VisualEditor as it makes me lazy with editing, particularly when I have to go into spaces like talk pages where it doesn't work. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:20, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
@Tenryuu and Nick Moyes:, Thank you both, if most of the article is written in non-american/american/other variants (or if it says to write it in a certain variant which it should), then I can just switch a setting and say "I write in British English" or "I write in Australian English." I've read WP:ENGVAR many times so I've figured out a lot of rules about it. Also, I've figured out what was wrong, (I'll send a couple of images and show you), if I turn on "Temporarily disable the Visual Editor while it is in beta" than I get reverted to the following(Disregard the legacy editing toolbar):
Disable Visual editor option is on
Now this is what it looks like when it is off:
Disable visual editor is off
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