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July 3[edit]

Flag for under-representation of women[edit]

My question is prompted by the article "William Beechey". I noticed that the section about his family mentions "many children" but only five are named. All are male. It is possible they were mentioned because they are notable, and the absence of women reflects the Georgian period.

Nevertheless, I sought some way to flag this discrepancy. There is a template "globalise" to indicate a geographic bias, and there are templates related to lack of neutrality. However, I couldn't come up with a template to say "this article ignores women", putting it bluntly.

Is there a way to highlight a gender bias in content? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Humphrey Tribble (talkcontribs) 03:08, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You raise a good question, but I don't think so. It's a vexing problem, representing women in the past when they weren't permitted to be notable, and even if they were it wasn't recorded. In the case of William Beechey, his male children have articles. His female children don't; they may very well have been smarter and better than the boys, but weren't allowed to develop it; it is what it is. It's a problem of the course and the recording of history, and my personal opinion is that that is beyond our purview to rectify, so I don't think it should be tagged, no. Herostratus (talk) 04:15, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your answer Herostratus: "There is no such flag."
Nevertheless, you have assumed that the female children are not notable because no Wikipedia articles about them are included in the William Beechey article. That assumption, in itself, highlights the underlying systemic bias: by excluding "non-notables" we are automatically marginalising women. (Please don't take offence; I'm just trying to address the prejudices we all hold.)
The article about his wife, portraitist Anne Beechey, seems to have a complete list of their children. Two female children are "ladies in red", suggesting that articles about them simply haven't been created yet. But at least all the children are named rather than giving the impression that the female children didn't exist, historically.
As a result of my concern, I have signed up for WikiProject Women's History. I will try to find out more about the Beechey's daughters. I think it would be useful to have a template similar to "globalise" so I will keep that in mind.
Humphrey Tribble (talk) 07:18, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Humphrey Tribble, You might also really enjoy the Women in Red project if you're not already signed up for it. I often suggest, in these cases, that the daughters' names just be added to the article (as long as there are reliable sources that name them) and I think having those redlinks in there makes it more likely for someone else to be bold and start writing an article. It's a worthwhile thing to think about. Jessamyn (my talk page) 20:03, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A page I contributed to was flagged inaccurately[edit]

Hi, I'm a fan of the band Dead Posey. I've been contributing and citing their wiki page as well as the members wiki pages and today I made some small edits on their main band page and I was falsely flagged as a "paid contributor" by PRAXIDICAE. I'm just a fan of the band that wants to help them anyway I can & I am not being paid by them. I have followed wiki guidelines and have cited all the sources. How do I go about getting this flag taken off of the top of the bands wiki page? Thank you for your time. Poewritesthings (talk) 04:40, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it like ten minutes ago. Refresh the page. PRAXIDICAE🌈 04:41, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Houston Apollos Simi Pro Hockey Team[edit]

Hello, I just wanted to share some additional information after reading about the Houston Apollos Hockey team from 1979 - 1980 81 This Team traveled & played against the Historic USA Olympic February 22, 1980 Hockey Team that defeated the Russians which later became a motion feature movie. I watched a game one evening in Wichita Kansas in 1979 & was able to be seated directly next to the glass of the Houston Apollos. The Olympic Hockey team played an amazing game against a Profession Hockey Team that night. If my memory serves me right the Olympic team did barely win in the closing minutes. I think that if it were not for teams such as the Houston Apollos to prepare this Historic Hockey Team in 1979 before the Olympics. It is in my opinion the USA Olympic Hockey Team would not have accelerated to prominence they had achieved without the help of the Houston Apollos Hockey Team. I wish some investigation can be done & some additional facts be added to Wikipedia of how important this Houston Hockey Team played in History of the 1980 Olympic Hockey Team USA.

Thank you 2600:8800:7B82:6A00:8461:3694:7B43:9218 (talk) 05:34, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! The best place to have this discussion is on the article's talk page: Talk:Houston Apollos. Please provide any published reliable sources that confirm your statements. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:16, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]


uhhh 🙄 can you gib me some help about EdItInG? Kanjishowa21-4 (talk) 09:03, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kanjishowa21-4. So far, all your edits to articles have been reverted (that is, undone by another editor) because they have not been constructive: they have not improved the text for our readers. So please proceed very slowly and be sure the information you add has a reliable source. We do expect our editors to be competent and to gain experience you should start with simple tasks, for example as listed at the task centre. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) @Kanjishowa21-4: Hi there! To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and try The Wikipedia Adventure. GoingBatty (talk) 14:13, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Michael D. Turnbull: I stopped directing people to WP:TWA after finding it to be buggy. I started a decision tree that might help also you with general editing and Wikipedia usage scenarios. WP:TRIAGE TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:40, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think that Timtempleton meant that comment for you, GoingBatty, rather than me. I don't recommend TWA any longer. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:44, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Asking about using multiple accounts[edit]

Can I contribute using more than one account at the same time? Dinesh | Talk 10:53, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dineshswamiin There are legitimate uses of alternative or additional accounts, see WP:VALIDALT. In general, if you have an alternative account, it should be clearly identified as such on its user page. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
More specifically: if you have multiple accounts, the user page for each should list all the others, and preferably give the reasons for their existence. Maproom (talk) 13:06, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Help, help, help. I forgot my Wikipedia password and I still remember my email address. How can I get my password back? (talk) 13:25, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:FAQ/Technical. 331dot (talk) 13:41, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Recover old account[edit]


I'd like to log in to my old Wikipedia / Wikimedia Commons account with the username [removed for privacy] – however, since I created this account back in 2009, I unfortunately forgot both email address and password associated with it. I tried to guess both, but I always get the error message "Incorrect password or confirmation code entered. Please try again.". Since this is the username I use on a lot of platforms, I'd really like to get access to it.

Could the email address be changed to my current one, so I can request a password reset?

Thanks. 2804 (talk) 14:10, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@2804: Usernames are case sensitive and the first character is automatically capitalized. There is no [removed for privacy] or [removed for privacy]. [removed for privacy] was uploaded by [removed for privacy] with capital M. [removed for privacy] only shows 34 edits. Email addresses are only reset in rare circumstances with far more edits. Usernames with significant edits cannot be usurped. [removed for privacy] does have an email address set but I don't have access to it. You don't have to enter an email address at commons:Special:PasswordReset but remember capital M and check the inbox of any old email account you have access to. Passwords never expire. If you don't remember the password and cannot receive mails at the stored address then you cannot gain access to the account or username. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:59, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I want to add pronunciation[edit]

I want to add the pronunciation to an article about an Italian. Do I need a source to even if I'm an Italian native speaker? If so, what kind of source do I use? Dr Salvus 19:44, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Dr Salvus: Yes, you need to provide a source that shows the pronunciation you want to add. See Milan and Moscow for some sourcing examples. RudolfRed (talk) 21:11, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A link to somebody who pronounces the name isn't fine? Dr Salvus 21:17, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It needs to be published in a reliable source. See WP:RS for guidance. RudolfRed (talk) 21:33, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say if the pronunciation would be obvious to somebody who speaks Italian, there is an argument to be made that it's common knowledge and doesn't need verification, but citing a source would still be better. Rummskartoffel 21:19, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]