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August 9

Help Needed Adding Citation

I have requested a change to a page and using the template sent information. How can I get support making this change? Thank you, Brigid Acuna

Dear Editor -

Please make two minor changes:

1) Please change phrasing from:

"Kennedy had no children,[6] but had two step-daughters from Paul's first marriage."[citation needed]

To:

"Diana Kennedy had no children but Paul had two daughters, Moira and Brigid Kennedy.”

2) For this sentence, please add citation:

<ref>“Paul P. Kennedy of Times is Dead.” The New York Times, Obituary/Death notices. 3 February, 1967. “Mr. Kennedy leaves…two daughters, Mrs. Moira Martha Sims [Simms] nee Kennedy, and Miss Brigid Ann Kennedy.”<ref>

Greatly appreciated,

Paul P. Kennedy's granddaughter,

Brigid (Kennedy) Acuna, (Redacted) Brigid (Kennedy) Acuna (talk) 03:10, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Talk:Diana_Kennedy § Semi-protected_edit_request_on_30_July_2022 & Maproom (talk) 06:21, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

What tag to use when a "fact" is apparently reliably sourced but looks dubious?

See Talk:Lisa_Curry#15_gold_medals?; I have found a claim which is apparently reliably sourced (Australian Sport Hall of Fame claims Lisa Curry has won 15 international gold medals in swimming) but just does not stack up. (Perhaps juniors/seniors medals are included, but then we should clarify). There are a few options suggested at Template:Clarify, but I am unsure: which tag is appropriate in this situation? Adpete (talk) 03:25, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

@Adpete: use {{dubious}}. lettherebedarklight, 晚安, おやすみなさい, ping me when replying 04:40, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

@lettherebedarklight thanks. I decided a better solution was to just remove the claim, and replace it with her tally of better known / more prestigious medals. Adpete (talk) 05:06, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank you for helping to public record on behalf of all of the False and Fraudulent statements that people have made about themselves and history as well as assets on behalf of all the people of the Earth tired of Fraudulent Asshole owners and their identities. 2603:9000:9B00:6F22:B839:8C91:2822:B69C (talk) 06:26, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your appreciation, on behalf of editors everywhere.

There are many people on the internet who are concerned about the easy proliferation of false and doubtful information. Wikipedia is unique in that it is both a community of people who collectively care about this, and a prominent internet resource which has this as part of its mission.

Since you care about this, why don't you join us? You don't even have to create an account to work to improve our articles (we have over six million, and many of them could do with some TLC. Please see Help:Introduction. ColinFine (talk) 10:31, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

AfD Article has copyrighted text, creator claims original authors have granted fair-use permission.

Recently deleted Draft:Oligodon Russelius moved from Draft:Oligodon russelius(tagged speedy) about a recently described species of snake had copyrighed text taken from https://reptile-database.reptarium.cz/species?genus=Oligodon&species=russelius. The creator of the draft Wild Trait (talk) have informed me (via my talk page) that the author(s) of the publication from which the text in question is taken (about the desc. of the species) have provided him the article pdf and granted perms to put it in Wikipedia. What should be done here? upload the pdf to Commons with fair-use license and use the text? Vulpes-bengalensis (talk) 07:17, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi Vulpes-bengalensis You might want to ask about this at WP:CP, I don't think you should upload a pdf to Commons even if its licensed appropriately for Commons since that's not really good to mean the text is going to be OK to use. If the text has been appropriately licensed, all that is needed is some way to verify that license and that can typically be done as explained in WP:DCP. However, even if it the text is appropriately licensed, that still doesn't mean Wikipedia should be using it verbatim. The copyirght holder most likely has written the content as they wanted to write it and not as Wikipedia policies and guidelines want Wikipedia articles to be written. So, even if the licensing is acceptable, it will still be preferred for the draft's creator summarize and rewrite things in their own words and appropriately support whatever claims are being made by citations to reliable secondary sources. An acceptable license means the content would not a copyright violation per se, but it doesn't mean Wikipedia has to use the content as written and it doesn't mean things like WP:N, WP:V, WP:NPOV, WP:NOT and WP:OR no longer apply. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:27, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

• @Vulpes-bengalensis and Wild Trait: I think there are a few misunderstandings about copyright here.

1. If the author of the text wants to donate it to Wikipedia, they need to go through WP:DCP. We cannot accept a random person’s assertion that the author is OK with it, we need verifiable proof that the copyright holder agreed.
2. "I grant permission to use on Wikipedia" is not a license we accept. We require a CC BY-SA license. As the WP:DCP page explains in bold font, it means (among other things) that anyone can then reuse the text, not just Wikipedia.
3. Commons is a repository of freely-licensed files, that can be reused by anyone under a CC BY-SA (or less restrictive) license. Therefore, "fair use" is never acceptable on Commons. The English Wikipedia (a separate project) allows, in addition to files from Commons, to use some non-free media if it satisfies fair use plus a bunch of additional restrictions. I am not sure those restrictions allow text at all (since text can fairly easily be read, digested and rewritten in a way that does not implicate copyright issues, unlike images).
4. If some text is validly "donated", I rather doubt that a PDF upload on Commons is the proper way to go about it. Maybe Wikisource?

Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 10:15, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Instructions for Translation needed

Hi all, I want to translate Wikipedia entries into my native language. Where can I find instructions (or, ideally, a tutorial :-) on how to do the translation? Thanks! White Orchid27 (talk) 08:27, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi White Orchid27. You can find some information about this at WP:TRANSLATEUS. Wikipedia's licensing requires that all re-uses of article content (including translations of such content) be done in accordance with WP:REUSE. If you're going to translate the article for the purpose of adding it to another langauge Wikipedia project (e.g. French Wikipedia), then it's important to understand that each local Wikipedia project has its own policies and guidelines, and you're going to need to make sure your translation satisfies those policies and guidelines. There might be a lot of similarities between English Wikipedia's policies and guidelines and those of other Wikipedia projects, but there might also be some (perhaps important) differences. So, you might want to find out what these policies and guidelines are first just to make sure you understand what's going to be expected of you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

@White Orchid27: Please be specific in questions. I can see elsewhere that your native language is Bulgarian. They have a page about translation at bg:Уикипедия:Превод. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I am new when it comes to contributions/translations and I did not realize the specific language mattered. I will check the page you indicated. White Orchid27 (talk) 14:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! I did not know that each project has its own policies and guidelines, I will check carefully the local requirements. White Orchid27 (talk) 14:56, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Please Publish My Article Please Please Please !!!

Please Publish My Article Please Please Please !!! Sudam Rawde This Is My ARTICLE Please Publish It Craftronics365 (talk) 10:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Blocked for promotion. 331dot (talk) 10:40, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Trouble with a template

Hey guys,
I noticed the map was missing in the infobox of 14th Street (Manhattan) and wanted to fix it. I figured the problem was | image_map = Maplink-road and I looked at Template:Maplink-road/doc for the solution and decided to substitute maplink|13|30.2795|-97.7515 from there, to preview and continue onwards. This only resulted in the map completely disappearing. What am I doing wrong? Dutchy45 (talk) 10:41, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Drop the maplink| from the start. e.g. {{maplink-road|13|30.2795|-97.7515}} - X201 (talk) 10:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Do you mean add -road before the first pipe? Dutchy45 (talk) 11:05, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Yep. I assumed you'd left the original maplink-road in place, to make {{maplink-road|maplink|13|30.2795|-97.7515}} - X201 (talk) 11:09, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks @X201. I was unfamiliar with the nowiki code so I was struggling with the brackets. Hence the confusion. It's all clear now. 1 last Q.: Shouldn't the code on Template:Maplink-road be fixed/improved to reflect this? Dutchy45 (talk) 11:36, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm now beginning to wonder if this is some kind of communication failure between Wikidata and the template. - X201 (talk) 11:46, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

@X201 I left a message on the talkpage here, since I'm not comfortable fooling around with unfamiliar template documentation, which might have a big impact across WP. If you want to add something, I'd love to read it. Dutchy45 (talk) 12:18, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

My edit is rejected/reverted?

Hi - I've tried making changes to the Tatiana Maslany wiki page twice. Her credit on my film (my edit) has been removed twice. I just copied the format from similar entries and the edit seemed to work. I successfully added a hyperlink to my film's title directing the reader to the film on YouTube. Tatiana is in the credits. How can i prevent this from happening again. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1103237092&oldid=1103236044.Mikolla (talk) 12:13, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Mikolla First, if you are making edits related to your film, you must read about conflict of interest and paid editing. You should not make these edits directly, but you may propose them on the article talk page(Talk:Tatiana Maslany) in the form of an edit request(click for instructions).

You added a link to a YouTube video- this is not considered an appropriate source. If you are trying to source the claim to your film, this is unnecessary, as someone need only watch the film to see the name in the credits. 331dot (talk) 12:20, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mikolla: Also, external links should not be added in the body of an article per WP:ELPOINTS #2. Deor (talk) 12:43, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. This is incredibly complicated. Every step requires that I read a long page of instructions, with links to other long pages. I now understand about the external links (thanks). The only mention of me on Wiki is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Toronto_International_Film_Festival. Can that be the link? I'm the director and I guess a paid wiki editor, in that the short film generated some income (lost money overall, with distribution). Can someone just put back my entry, with or without the hyperlink? Under her film credits: Subterranean Passage, year 2000, voice. Just like "Ginger Snaps" after it. Mikolla (talk) 12:56, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

@Mikolla  Done! GoingBatty (talk) 15:17, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much! 173.176.45.122 (talk) 15:19, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

The whole of national anthem of south Africa in writing

National anthem of south Africa — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.113.154.249 (talk) 18:41, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

What is your question relating to how to use or edit Wikipedia? Eagleash (talk) 18:46, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

See National anthem of South Africa RudolfRed (talk) 18:56, 9 August 2022 (UTC)