Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ryan Stephenson

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Restore dab. There is consensus that the Canadian politician is not notable. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:00, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Stephenson[edit]

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Won second place in a by-election, only relevant due to said by-election where he lost Ornithoptera (talk) 04:41, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Ryan Stevenson as a plausible spelling. The current bio shouldn't stand per nom. schetm (talk) 05:19, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - The two dab entries as they stand right now are quite weak and I don't think they're worthy of disambiguation. I still think the whole thing should be redirected, but I'd urge the closing admin to relist another week as a new argument has come into play. schetm (talk) 17:55, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Redirect which ever. But political candidates that lost elections aren't notable. Although, he did win a city Council election, but that's not high enough of a political position on it's own to make him notable. --Adamant1 (talk) 05:21, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
~~Redirect to DAB page Ryan Stevenson as {{R from misspelling}}.~~ The current article cannot stand, it fails WP:POLITICIAN. Narky Blert (talk) 06:45, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete He lost the by-election, and is therefore not notable. PinkPanda272 (talk/contribs) 07:49, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable.--Bduke (talk) 09:11, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Clearly fails WP:NPOL. Bondegezou (talk) 09:24, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Redirect Per WP:NPOL and above. Rwendland (talk) 11:05, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lost the by-election, so fails WP:POLITICIAN. Edwardx (talk) 11:09, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or Redirect Per above, does not seem independently notable for now, most citations about the subject are really about the past election. Inter&anthro (talk) 11:30, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to "Ryan Stevenson" as plausible misspelling. PatGallacher (talk) 13:07, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Ryan Stevenson per above. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 13:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as dab per discussion below. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 21:02, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It is long established practice on Wikipedia that being an unsuccessful candidate in a UK parliamentary election is insufficiently notable for having an article on Wikipedia. Cordyceps-Zombie (talk) 14:32, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Ryan Stevenson as a plausible spelling, and maybe add to that disambiguation list "Conservative candidate in the 2021 Batley and Spen by-election" if someone really remembers his name in five years' time. Being a city councillor and parliamentary election runner-up is not inherently notable. Unknown Temptation (talk) 19:25, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Ryan Stevenson as per above. Vida0007 (talk) 22:20, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with others, being a local councillor and a candidate in a by-election does not make him notable. Redirect to Ryan Stevenson is the most suitable course.--A bit iffy (talk) 14:48, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, without prejudice against the recreation of a redirect afterward (but delete first so that this isn't available in the edit history to be revert-warred over). Neither being a non-winning candidate in a by-election nor serving on a local council constitute automatic notability freebies under WP:NPOL, but the article is not sourced even remotely close to well enough to earn him special treatment over and above other unsuccessful parliamentary candidates or local councillors. Essentially somebody jumped the gun here because it looked like he had a good chance of winning — but the fact that he didn't win in the end is precisely why we wait until the count is done before we start an article about the actual winner. Bearcat (talk) 15:24, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I would suggest that one benefit of a redirect is that in the event of Stephenson becoming an MP in the future, existing information is available in the edit history and wouldn't have to be recreated. I don't anticipate edit-warring being an issue- there is currently very little demand for a standalone article. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 16:30, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I suggest WP:SNOW. It was my mistake, I created the article early that night when people thought that he had won. PatGallacher (talk) 11:06, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Thinking about it, the article was a disambiguation page prior to your creation of an article- could easily just be turned back into its state prior to the election. Chessrat ^{(talk, contributions)} 18:58, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, but it was a pretty crappy disambiguation page, both entries were of doubtful notability. PatGallacher (talk) 20:18, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as dab this was an overwirtten valid dab, which I restored and it was then changed to something else invalid. I have no idea why second blue links to lines were added, or why Ryan Stevenson was moved from its see also section. Dabs are indexes - the people on them need to meet MOS:DABMENTION or MOS:DABRL - they do NOT need to meet notability. If someone types in Ryan Stephenson, they are taken to a page listing those on Wikipedia they may be looking for. Dabs are just indexes and thus are cheap - there is zero gain to not giving this info when people type it in. Boleyn (talk) 20:31, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also worth mentioning that the creator of the page (me) doesn't seem to have been informed of this deletion discussion. Boleyn (talk) 20:31, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I'd be fine with it staying a DAB. Hopefully it can be protected though if that's how things turn out so it's not overwritten again. --Adamant1 (talk) 00:28, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Restore DAB (changing !vote) per Boleyn. Perfectly valid DAB page. Narky Blert (talk) 12:06, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as DAB While not notable for an article, Stephenson seems to meet dabmention.Jackattack1597 (talk) 10:58, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.