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The result was Speedy delete. Article was nominated on 2018-01-03, but nom was never properly transcluded to logpage. The article was subsequently speedied as a G7, making an AfD unnecessary. (non-admin closure) jp×g 03:59, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chiaki Watanabe[edit]

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This article needs to be deleted due to obsolete information - requested by creator/admin of the article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Remokoni (talk • contribs)

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The result was speedy keep. A valid rationale for deletion is not present. See WP:DEL-REASON for examples of valid rationales. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:52, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Gaia Mater[edit]

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The result was keep. Sources were provided to meet GNG and not disputed, so even though it's a borderline NACTOR case, that doesn't matter. ansh 666 09:30, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Samuel Robinson (Actor)[edit]

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~~Repeatedly recreated page. Original page Samuel Robinson (actor) title locked and administrator can create it. so it would be WP:G7 Nomination. -- HindWiki^Connect 22:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)~~ — HindWIKI (talk • contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Singer Jethu Sisodiya (talk • contribs). – Struck above comment from blocked sock per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Sam Sailor 18:48, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Still fails WP:NACTOR. Significant coverage not found. I have tried to tag the article for speedy deletion under G4, but the CSD nomination was declined by Ivanvector. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 23:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Administrator note pinging The Bushranger to comment on why Samuel Robinson (actor) was create-protected eight months after it was last recreated in April 2017. As for this page, the recreated article is significantly changed from any of the deleted versions and notes more recent developments in the actor's career, thus although the standard for inclusion may still not be met, WP:G4 does not apply as this is not an obvious case. I don't understand the nominator's rationale for WP:G7: the creator has not requested deletion. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 12:42, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Ivanvector:: The protection was added on account of this ANI thread. Basically there was "name-gaming" by a COI/promotional editor who was trying to get the article to "stick" by recreating it under at least five different titles (the four mentioned there plus Samuel Robinson (Nigerian actor)), the most recent being 12 December of last year; the result of that was a mass-salting of all the known titles used. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:57, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - @The Bushranger: I see. Well, you missed one ;) Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the nomination is an unconvincing argument for deletion. The article was last deleted 9 months ago based primarily on arguments of quality and the author's behaviour (both arguments to avoid) and poor sourcing, with several delete !votes from users who it has since been discovered were sockpuppets. There have been developments in the actor's career in the meantime and better sources have been provided which are in-depth reports on the actor, not just passing mentions in articles about things he's been in, for example dailypost.ng and Deccan Chronicle. This is enough for WP:GNG. For WP:NACTOR, he has over several years had a handful of significant (not leading, but not apparently minor) roles in several bluelinked productions, such as Green White Green (which screened at TIFF) and Desperate Housewives Africa in which he is described as main cast. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:58, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If kept, then perhaps the article should be moved to Samuel Robinson (actor). WP:DRV may not be necessary for this. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 19:04, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I figured that would be automatic. I presume The Bushranger would be fine with that, if this is kept. Conversely if this is not kept then the title should be salted. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 20:03, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problem with it, presuming it passes the deletion for actually being notable and, finally, non-promotional. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:24, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Article subject still fails WP:NACTOR, specificily the criteria: Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. The article as it stands suffers from the same flaws that resulted in it being deleted per Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Samuel_Robinson_(actor).--SamHolt6 (talk) 07:43, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The subject of this article is very notable in India. As an Actor, he has received much acclaim in his country and in India. -AhamBrahmasmi (talk) 19:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP This is an article about a Nigerian Actor who has received national and international acclaim. He is also in an award winning film that screened at Tiff Green White Green (at TIFF). This satisfies WP:NACTOR. Am i missing something obvious? IgorGunther (talk)14:20, 6 January 2018 (UTC)— IgorGunther (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Note that User:IgorGunther has now been indeffed as a sock account of User:Sam3346, who created several of the articles about Robinson.--SamHolt6 (talk) 16:02, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vote struck. –Ammarpad (talk) 16:07, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Although overzealousness of previous version creators and socking tainted this article; there's evidence the subject passes WP:GNG by having been recognized actor in two countries, receiving coverage from multiple sources and at the same time passes WP:NACTOR for having acted in multiple notable movies in these countries as well as been in the news both in India and in Nigeria (as below sources will show). Moreover, careful analysis of the previous AfDs will bare the weakness of the delete !voters who failed to address the sources the sock provided. Had it been written by exprienced editor in good standing, it is clear the previous "delete not notable" votes cannot win over him. The same thing here, nobody is countering sources provided by Ivanvector, in addition to [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], and add to those already in the article.. It is also noteworthy almost all the films where he acted have their own wikipedia articles, and it needs no repeating, movies more often than not, get their notability from the people who acted in them not otherwise. I am the one also who opened the SPI which lead to blocking of the above sock, but the Check user confirmed the creator of this version has no relation to previous to this sock or all previous ones–hence not blocked. Also Admin Ivanvector above confirmed this version is different from the previous one. Finally there's no convincing, evidenced-based, policy-backed deletion rationale. The only vague reason is that is recreated which is ironically opposite to what policy say. It is within policy to recreate previously deleted article once the subject reach higher status or achievement, and to repeat myself; Check user confirmed the creator of this version is unrelated to the sock, not only on one occasion but on two different SPI investigations: First SPI here closed by Bbb23 and second SPI here closed by the same Check user. ^{Note: After I wrote this, the two cases where merged into one, so these links will now lead to the same case page.}. –Ammarpad (talk) 16:13, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Neutral~~ Weak Delete: Based on my personal standard (which is obviously inspired from Wikipedia guidelines), all things being equal, I need an actor to have have had main roles in at least three films/series before being automatically eligible to pass the specific notability guidelines for actors. I will analyze the filmography of Samuel Robinson below:

8 Bars & A Clef - not a major role, he played a younger version of a main cast.
Green White Green - major role (1)
Sudani from Nigeria - not yet released
Tinsel (TV series) - Has a lot of ensemble cast. Samuel Robinson will not be in my top 20 actors that have starred in it based on the relevance of their roles to the series. I am a strong fan of this series btw.
Shuga Naija - not a main/major or even significant cast. this can't be counted as having the slightest ability to confer notability on him.
Desperate Housewives Africa - ~~main role (2)~~ He had a minor role in the series, the regular editor that created the article didn't even include him as a cast-member. It was this same Sam3346 that added him as a main cast. Information online that included the main cast of the series didn't even mention his name 1, 2. This man is all out to promote himself, he even commented on the BellaNaija reference.
The Middleman - information online does not signify that he was a main cast. imdb alone is not sufficient.
The Governor - far from being a main cast in this series
Playing Victim - far from being a main cast in this film

From the above, he needs a main role in two more films to meet my standard (gotten from the text from WP:NACTOR, which says an actor must have "main roles in multiple notable films"). I am also irritated by the persistence displayed by the article creators, they are trying to show that they can do what they like here and get away with it. If he had gotten nominated for some of the numerous film awards in Nigeria, I would have used that to support his filmography then vote weak keep, but presently I see this as a case of WP:TOOSOON, since he's even just 18 years old. HandsomeBoy (talk) 21:50, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Hello @HandsomeBoy I am also a Nigerian. This Actor played the Governor's Son Toju on a TV show about the dynamics of a family's relationship while handling Politics, called The Governor. The company which produced the show (Ebony Life Tv) listed him as a Main Character in the series on their website ebony lifetime.com/the-governor. I was a big fan of the show. 2,He played Tekena in Playing Victim, a movie about a boy who reunited with his estranged dad (Femi Branch) on the internet. He was the main key Character in this movie, Though there is little or no online press about it, it was televised and still is, on Africa Magic; a popular Nigerian Channel. In Desperate Housewives Africa,which is the African adaptation of the Popular American Show Desperate Housewives, he played Akin Bello who is the African equivalent of Zach Young on the American Version. Zach Young is listed as a significant Character in the series as there are several important storylines centered around his character. I stumbled upon this discussion when I was researching the Actor for an interview and saw Page issues on an article about him here. I probably should add that this actor is also verified on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter who deemed him notable enough. Facebook.com/samuelabiolarobinson Instagram.com/samuelabiolarobinson

Twitter.com/samuelrobinsonx

This is just my opinion; That he is 18years old or not should not be the basis of judging his notability or lack thereof. He has made significant contributions to the Nigerian film Industry and other Industries Abroad apparently. Judging this based on age is unfair and regressive.

I am not a Wikipedia person, I may have Google tips on how to edit this page and my opinion may not matter much here but I understand the condescension of judging an acclaimed person by age because it's similar to playing my achievements down as a woman. I do not think it is too soon for this article as there are several other articles that do not meet half the validity of this one and are not considered too soon to be on Wikipedia. See Jemima Osunde, Lola Margaret, Shannon George to mention a few. This is my opinion. I mean no disrespect to anyone. Sarah — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.190.3.246 (talk) 13:30, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Sarah (ip user) My mentioning his age was not to belittle his achievement but to demonstrate that his career in Nollywood was still fairly new. Additionally, social media verification counts for nothing in assessing notability. There are many Nigerians with large followings verified on Facebook, Twitter and IG; who aren't notable for inclusion on WP. Furthermore, word-of-mouth means little on Wikipedia, especially not from an ip user. I provided independent links that contains information on the main cast on all the films and series he had acted in; the way to counter my argument is to provide opposing references that contains his name as a lead cast-member. You can't just say he was a main cast, and expect everyone to believe you. Considering the level of sockpuppetry associated with this actor, I find it difficult to believe you had no pre-knowledge to this discussion.

Before participating in any AFD, especially one that I want to vote delete, I do a considerable about of research, and I am generally consider myself an inclusionist for Nollywood articles. Let me also add that as an editor that is very sensitive to systematic bias, this only applies for Nigerian actors/films that were released/active before 2010s. Samuel started his career in year 2013, so if he was a notable actor already, there will be several coverage to show that he has starred in lead roles in multiple films.

Concerning The Governor, all the independent sources that cover the series do not mention his name at all. See 1,2. On the primary website, this is empty; this gave a brief description of all actors that acted in the series, but nothing to show significant. At best, he's just a promising young actor. Even if I am to include this series as him having a lead role in it (which is false from the independent souces that didn't even mention his name), it will make it just two; still doesn't meet my standard of 3 films. My votes are based on WP:NACTOR, I haven't looked at WP:GNG, but I doubt he will have gotten significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. If you want to counter any of my claim on lead roles, please reply me with references on the film/series that mentions his name.

Finally, if you think there are existing articles that does not meet the notability guidelines for actors, feel free to nominate for deletion. But remember to review WP:ANYBIO, WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG before taking that step.

Comment I've restored the G4 tag as this current version is not too different from this, and was deleted and salted from creation only two moths ago. I will have to agree with darreg that this guy is not notable yet. This can be userfied to ~~darreg's~~ HandsomeBoy's page (if he want's) as he's an expert in creating articles about Nigerian actors/actress and I trust would not have a problem doing justice to this when the subject becomes notable. I also suggest that all articles salted to be reduced to EC creation as he's on the verge of notability and all previous creators were not EC. This would reduce the burden on future appropriate creation. Regards, Mahveotm (talk) 22:26, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As noted up the thread, I declined speedy deletion because the recreation is not substantially similar to the deleted article. Please don't add the tag back again. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 01:04, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - I'm basing my vote on the fact that according to this article he's the first black actor to co-star in an Indian film. Indian bias against dark skin is well known. However, since it's not out yet, it's WP:TOOSOON. But, if this is deleted, it will be salted; hence, a weak vote to preserve this until the film's release. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 00:24, 12 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:56, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ice hockey at the 2006 Winter Olympics – Men's statistics[edit]

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Found in the underlinked backlog. This article dates from 2006 when sports inclusion guidelines were in a very different state. It contains essentially no prose at all and is entirely unreferenced. WP:NSEASONS says that articles should be "mainly [composed] of well-sourced prose"; as this articlec ontains neither sources nor prose it doesn't meet the standard. There is already an article (with an unusual hyphenated title) over here, and the highly specific title makes it a poor redirect candidate.

The article also falls afoul of WP:NOTDIR -- this is all data that can and does live more happily elsewhere. A Train^talk 21:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:NOTSTATS. Flibirigit (talk) 01:41, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTSTATS. Ajf773 (talk) 03:40, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Classic case of WP:NOTSTATS. There's also the same article for the women's tournament too. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 08:32, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- NOTE I put a PROD on the corresponding Women's article. Flibirigit (talk) 09:00, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTSTATS....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:48, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A classic case of WP:NOTSTATS and we can add the Women's statistics from the same Winter Olympics in that category. Matt294069 is coming 00:16, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No prose and no significant independent coverage. The same can be said of the women's article. WP:NOTSTATS clearly applies. Papaursa (talk) 01:06, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – A classic case of WP:NOTDIR and WP:NOTSTATS. No prose apart from the lead. Take the woman's as well. J 947 ^{^{(contribs · mail)}} 02:20, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per above. It's snowing by now. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 14:38, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Now That's What I Call Music! discography. MBisanz ^talk 02:14, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Now That's What I Call Music! 51 (UK series)[edit]

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This is no more notable than the next album in the series, which was redirected as the result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Now That's What I Call Music! 52 (UK series). Peter James (talk) 21:30, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Is this a veiled attempt to delete the entire category tree below Category:Now That's What I Call Music! albums? That's several hundred albums, internationally.

I can see zero justification for deleting #52, then #51 (and then #50) as some sort of iterative deletion. If #2 was notable, then so is #51 (the external RS attention paid to them is no different). Also why has #52 (UK) been deleted, but #52 (US) untouched?

I'm happy to delete the entire category (all countries), leaving merely the lead article (per NOTDIR and I have no interest in this as a topic). But piecemeal removal of some articles is ridiculous and deleting the whole lot one by one even more so. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:59, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Andy. Also, the argument seems to be for redirect which is not what AFD is for. They should all be redirected though, just not debated one at a time. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 15:51, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect the lot to the main article – I think I gave my opinion on the AfD for Now! 52, either keep them all or redirect them all, because none are more notable than the others. Richard3120 (talk) 18:09, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect this one at the very least--I suspect all of the others could be similarly redirected. No doubt that the series as a whole is notable, but this particular iteration is not, as it fails WP:NALBUM. Yilloslime ^T_C 21:30, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Yilloslime: Strictly speaking, it does pass WP:NALBUM – it reached number one on both the UK and Irish compilation charts, and was certified triple platinum in the UK, although none of this is mentioned in the article. But as I mentioned in the other AfD, EVERY Now! album manages that, so there is nothing to distinguish it from any other album in the series – either keep them all, or get rid of them all. Richard3120 (talk) 23:14, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Huh. The article doesn't say that it charted. (Or if does, I'm somehow not seeing it.) Anyways, I still say redirect. Believe it or not, when drafting my initial !vote, I had started to write—but then abdandoned out of sheer laziness—that even if it had charted, I'd still favor redirection in this case. Unless there's something specific to say about this particular album, I can't think of good reason why wikipedia is best served by having a stand alone article. (The same could probably be said for all or most of the articles in the series—but that's a separate question.) Yilloslime ^T_C 05:44, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Yilloslime: I know it doesn't say so, and I don't know why this information was never added – here's the proof of the album reaching no. 1 in both countries: [6], [7]. Nevertheless, I entirely agree with the rest of your argument above. Richard3120 (talk) 20:45, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural Keep do this as an RfC or something, not as hundreds of AfD discussions. power~enwiki (π, ν) 00:22, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Now That's What I Call Music! discography. However that page needs a lot of work to be come a proper WP discography page with all the chart positions and certs. Many of these albums pass WP:NALBUMS (See BPI's searchable certification database and RIAA for US releases) but fail WP:GNG, so IMO all the articles should be redirected to the discography page once it was completed to standards, but as above that requires an RFC or Wikiproject discussion. I agree with Andy that the one by one approach is not the way to go. Mattg82 (talk) 21:17, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would oppose any redirection. These are either notable albums in their own right, or they're non-notable iterations in a clearly notable series. Either way, a redirect is useless. It's obvious what series they're part of, there is no value in redirecting this very specific title (seriously, what is going to link here?) to a broad article. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:26, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I get your point. The only other options then are an RFC or the articles to be AFD'd en mass as there is nothing to stop other editors AFDing these one at a time. (See also an old but similar afd I've just remembered). Mattg82 (talk) 23:51, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. MBisanz ^talk 02:15, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Beep: A Documentary History of Game Sound[edit]

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Non notable film from non notable director sourced to Kickstarter and IMDB. Theroadislong (talk) 21:32, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I only found the sources provided in the article, if you believe they are not good enough, please proceed with the deletion. Cheers! 3BRBS (talk) 21:44, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as the article now has references to sig cov in The Japan Times and Billboard Atlantic306 (talk) 15:48, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Although those two sources listed above are legit, I don't see how they are enough to keep the article from being considered unnotable. The current article only has four sentences, and getting rid of the other sources would only make that smaller. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 10:13, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I've seen more sources have been added, and also as of today, I added a source from PC Gamer which seems reputable in the field, and some information depicted in the article. If you wish to check again the article, you are welcome. Cheers :] 3BRBS (talk) 20:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The new sources are good, but I still see the issue of how this article would ever expand out of being a single paragraph long. It could basically be merged into video game music with no issues. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 04:13, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I actually expanded the article a bit by adding content present in the source, but then you removed that content and wrote: "keeping PCG source, but getting rid of the mostly copy pasted sentence that explains very little out of context". Indeed it seems contradictory when you say "how this article would ever expand", when on the other hand you are removing content. Sorry to say this, but you are sort of playing the role of judge and jury. Since the infomation was present in the source, I see no wrong or harm on keeping it :] 3BRBS (talk) 04:29, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it since it was mostly just copypasted from the article in an attempt to add more info. I kept the citation, if you didn't see. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 05:31, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep since the article now has even more references, including: PC Gamer, CNET, The Daily Dot and Polygon. 3BRBS (talk) 04:38, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, if not merge to video game music. Definitely not a delete. JOE BRO 64 15:23, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per above, not a delete. Has reliable coverage, notable enough to exist independently, even if it lacks content or not. --QEDK (桜 ❄ 伴) 17:47, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY. PhilKnight (talk) 00:53, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 00:40, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Marilyn Monroe's evening gown and shawl[edit]

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No evidence of WP:GNG (I'm assuming there is no specific notability guideline for clothing, I can't find one?) Article created by editor who seems to have a connection to/possible WP:COI re May Mann and there is a section in that article on this dress which seems sufficient (and the content of this article is more about Mann than Monroe). The other two Monroe gowns that have independent articles are well-known and from "iconic" moments in her career, which this does not appear to be Melcous (talk) 21:07, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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delete - unless I'm missing something I don't see how this is notable. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 14:39, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. WP:SKCRIT#1 - no argument for deletion or redirection, only page moves (which can be done through WP:RM). (non-admin closure) power~enwiki (π, ν) 00:24, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Camp Cody[edit]

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When searched on Google, "Camp Cody" returns with several results for Camp Cody in Freedom, NH. The article "Camp Cody (summer camp) should be able to be moved to the article page "Camp Cody," to reflect popularity. BBillCBear (talk) 21:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Close - this is not the forum to discuss this issue. And the solution should be to make a WP:DAB page. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 21:04, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep We've got two items. It's a disambiguation page. There's nothing to delete and you seem to be the only one bothered by the parenthical. Nate • (chatter) 23:41, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I don't know that either camp is the obvious WP:PRIMARYTOPIC (the one in New Hampshire advertises and hosts weddings, so there are plenty of Google hits for that; but the one in New Mexico is responsible for at least a dozen out of the first 100 hits), so the current arrangement makes sense. Largoplazo (talk) 02:39, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Seems like a reasonable dab page. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:27, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. MBisanz ^talk 02:15, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Todd May[edit]

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No indication of notability per GNG ~~or WP:NACADEMIC.~~^{(note 'keep' !vote below)} No significant coverage (of the subject) in reliable sources could be found. There is some coverage of one of his books (see the talk page), but not much else. Repeatedly recreated from the redirect by an IP, so worth having a discussion rather than edit warring over it. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 20:53, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - He appears to have once held a named chair (McDevitt Chair in Religious Philosophy) of Le Moyne College [8], therefore possibly satisfies WP:NACADEMIC #5. He is also Class of 1941 Memorial Professor of the Humanities at Clemson University [9]. His books are also reviewed in major publications, for example, Times Higher Education, The Guardian, LA Reviews of Books (this is in addition to specialist review publications, e.g. [10], [11]), therefore may qualify under WP:AUTHOR #3. There are also interviews and discussion ABC, Believer, and his work quoted and discussed in books (e.g. [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], among too many to list here). He therefore possibly satisfies WP:NACADEMIC #1. He has written opinion pieces for New York Times. I believe he is notable enough based on a few different notability criteria. Hzh (talk) 00:28, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that WP:NACADEMIC #5 will be satisfied by Le Moyne College because I wouldn't call it a "major institution of higher education and research". While the interviews are good sources, they can't be used to demonstrate notability because they are not independent of the subject. However, the reviews of his work and citations in other works might be enough to qualify for WP:AUTHOR #3 or WP:NACADEMIC #1. I'll let others weigh in before deciding to withdraw this nomination. I mainly submitted this article as a way to start a discussion due to edit warring on the page (reverting to redirect and back repeatedly). Thanks for your comments Hzh. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)}

Redirect or delete. Are we working with any biographical secondary sources? Because if so, I haven't seen them, nevertheless enough to write a biographical article that does justice to the topic. None of his book reviews go into enough depth to even describe his writing career. To review the above links, the THE and The Guardian reviews are both hopelessly short, leaving the LA Rev of Books piece. As I said months ago, The Political Philosophy of Poststructuralist Anarchism, which is supposed to be his standout work, was only reviewed in Ethics (philosophy journal) and Choice (very brief listings for librarian purchase recommendations): it isn't independently notable. And his other books did not receive many major reviews. The Google Books links have little substance on May apart from repeating what he said, e.g., even in the first link of the group, which has the longest relevance, there is no analysis and only recitation. I'd welcome other sources, especially if they are offline or in languages other than English. I would support restoring the redirect to Post-anarchism#Approaches, which is another mess but at least cites a secondary source in May's relation to "poststructuralist anarchism", the work for which he is best known, but since that single-sentence mention serves little function in the article, I'd also back the nom's rationale to delete. czar 02:51, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Size of reviews, need for analysis, offline sources or in other languages do not appear to be criteria for notability. However, establishing a new turn in concept ("poststructuralist anarchism" in his case) is for WP:NACADEMIC #1 - see here, and an interview here. Also counting towards WP:NACADEMIC #1 are citations, therefore you cannot dismissed the Google Books hits as they are part of how you can establish notability. You can also find multiple reviews for many of his books, for example Death - in addition to two already given above, also [17], [18] (the FT one reviewed a number of books, but it singled out May's book for praise, and later listed it as one of the books of the year of 2009 [19]). Same for other books - A Fragile Life - [20] in addition to THE and LA Review given above; a The Moral Theory of Poststructuralism - [21], [22]; A Significant Life - [23], etc. These should easily qualify him under WP:AUTHOR #3. Hzh (talk) 14:14, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We measure sources by the extent to which they address the subject, not counts of mere mentions. (We can write only write articles with the former, as the latter gives us no content to paraphrase.) "Poststructuralist" is an adjective that can be applied to anything. If you take Antliff's JSTOR article at its word that The Political Philosophy of Poststructuralist Anarchism was a "seminal" work—as I mentioned before, where are the sources that discuss it and its impact? Because if there are few or none, it means that the book and May's contribution to the concept should be addressed within the concept's own article. How does one write an article about a philosopher when the only sources are primary/affiliated (interviews/staff bios) or single book reviews (sometimes two) on individual books? Even a bibliography of Todd May article would be primitive based on such sparse sourcing. Philosophers show impact in field by having their work reviewed and discussed by their peers in the field's many journals. I don't see how that bar has been met here. czar 23:44, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you are wrong there. Per WP:ACADEMIC, ordinary citations and reviews are counted towards notability - Reviews of the person's work, published in selective academic publications, can be considered together with ordinary citations here. You are not arguing based on established criteria. There are plenty of academics whose work are important enough to be merely cited and not discussed. It is also odd for you to say there is no discussion of his concept when there is one that starts the first sentence with him and describes his work as "seminal". You also appear to have completely ignored WP:AUTHOR, May is not just noted for poststructuralist anarchism, he qualifies under multiple criteria. (You also miscounted, I have already given three and four book reviews each for a few of his books.) Hzh (talk) 14:12, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Afraid I can't be any more exact, but in simple summation:

If May's contributions to poststructuralism are important, per the same quoted guideline section, there would be more coverage than the single hagiographic Antliff statement. If instead his "significant impact" is attributed to his general academic career, there would be works that react to his points.
If May's contributions as a general author are important, the major "reviews" would have more than cursory synopsis to express about his oeuvre. None of the Google Books texts above discuss any aspect of May's work that can be paraphrased for our purposes—they're simple citations and recitations, no secondary analysis. (Not to mention that the other major "reviews" mentioned above are largely short, routine, or from unreliable sources, and we could go source-by-source if necessary.) I have already given three and four book reviews each for a few of his books. If anyone actually read the content of those reviews, they'd find two or fewer (sometimes no) usable reviews for each book. And I thought we established that we don't have enough material to consider any of the books independently notable. Writing a handful of books, each reviewed once or twice in an area journal, is not an indicator of general author notability.

Any article written from the above sourcing will lack in biographical detail, and if scoped to just his works (bibliography of Todd May), would be so threadbare of content that no justice would be done to the topic. I don't need to be patronized by the text of the notability guidelines—I know them well—because the point of those guidelines is to presume notability. The substance of the sourcing is ultimately what determines the basis for the article, and in this case, the sources are weak and accordingly, there is no article. czar 00:44, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yet you are still not arguing from any established notability guidelines. What you linked to is not even an official guideline. Per official guideline WP:AUTHOR #3 he should be author of a work that is the subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews. Three or four independent reviews (and I'm sure there are more) for a book means "multiple". You appear to have misunderstood the purpose of the reviews, they are not there to help fill the article with content (although they may well can), they are there to establish notability. At the moment the article is still a stub, and it can be fleshed out by someone who wants to do it. All we are doing now is simply establishing whether it satisfies the notability criteria, which no doubt the subject does. Arguing from what you believe what an article should be (or even what kind of reviews you believe they should be) but which are not actually specified by notability guidelines is not going to help the discussion. Hzh (talk) 02:09, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I stick by GNG. May's work on political philosophy and poststructuralism is covered significantly by reliable (Peer-reviewed journals) and independent sources. Ali Pirhayati (talk) 09:20, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Pirhayati, where is his work on poststructualism covered significantly? The claim to this effect in the article is unsourced, hagiographic. czar 23:44, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is a review of his work on poststructuralism by an independent reliable source. Ali Pirhayati (talk) 07:13, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A single review isn't significant coverage, nor are the three reviews of his two works on poststructuralism in toto czar 00:44, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

According to GNG, "significant" refers to the quality of source, not the number of sources. It simply means "non-trivial". Ali Pirhayati (talk) 09:41, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I redirected the article due to the sourcing issues. Due to the commonality of his name, it is difficult to find sources which are about him specifically. However, I didn't go to AfD due to his citation count, which in my opinion clearly meets WP:NSCHOLAR. Although, with the current sourcing I wouldn't mind redirecting (obviously, since I did), without any issue with recreation, once reliable sourcing is included. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:04, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I nominated this article, but have been convinced that the topic meets WP:AUTHOR #3 and WP:NACADEMIC #1, based on reviews of his work. Even if the article briefly discusses him and is mostly about his academic work, such an article would appear to be well within Wikipedia's content guidelines based on the sources above. I am still not convinced that the subject meets WP:GNG, but rather that he qualifies on subject specific notability criteria alone (which is allowed per WP:PROF). — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 03:27, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 02:15, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Raj Chowdhury[edit]

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Fails WP:NBIO. References are from primary sources and the article has been written by someone with close association with the individual as clear from one of the stated references Majumder, Sayan with account Sayan999 the seems to have an undisclosed COI. The content of the article is Primarly self promotion and does not establish notability. Hagennos (talk) 20:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, I can't find any significant news coverage, and nothing on his book either, but it might be because it has very bad rankings.[24] --Ysangkok (talk) 14:05, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I think that the article passes WP:GNG easily and we should not delete every article that has been added by someone with COI issues. My issues are with COI and those I am going to deal with in the next few days. I am already working to sort out a few other COI problems in some other articles, so I will add this to my watchlist and edit this as well. As the subject is notable we should work on building a correct article instead of deleting everything. Elektricity (talk) 10:22, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you are planning on editing the article request you to move it to the draft space and edit it there. Hagennos (talk) 19:17, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Hagennos I think you misunderstood. My opinion is that the subject is notable, quite notable as one might say. However the peacock and promo concerns int he article should be removed. I don't think it is appropriate to draftify an article just because it has promotional and peacock terms. We should fix these in mainspace. Elektricity (talk) 10:35, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- promo 'cruft on a nn individual. Possibly created as part of a walled garden around the subject's company, which has been deleted here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/HashCash Consultants. No value to the project. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:44, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete promo. House1090 (talk) 01:05, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The COI issues needs to be resolved. But the subject has good coverage from several independent sources outside of his company. Passes WP:GNG. I will update some references and improve the article. Shivaji_Mitra (talk) 08:42, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is your third edit in three years. Are you affiliated with Mr. Chowdhury? --Ysangkok (talk) 15:06, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@[[User:Ysangkok|Ysangkok] it doesn't have much impact. I have added sufficient sources to the article so that the notability is now even more clear, and I have removed most of peacocks, and am working on removing more. I will keep an eye on it even after the AFD so that no fluff is added. Elektricity (talk) 10:23, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Elektricity you had not responded Ysangkok if you are affiliated with Mr. Chowdhury. If you have a COI it is important that you disclose it. Please respond on your talk page. Hagennos (talk) 13:02, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Hagennos I have not responded? I think you have not understood or read what is written here. I actually removed the peacock and other terms which COI edits had added, and as Ysangkok commented that perhaps Shivaji_Mitra has a COI, I pointed out that as I have watchlisted the article, it will not be easy to just edit and add promotional terms this time around, so there is not much of an impact that a COI account can have. Elektricity (talk) 13:08, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Elektricity. My bad. Apologies. Hagennos (talk) 13:25, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Hagennos no problem. Kindly remove the template from my TP when you have time.Elektricity (talk) 13:28, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Ysangkok No, I am not affiliated with the subject. I feel, teaming up against users who post Keep with conspiracy theories isn't helping us progress with a fair discussion. I am here to reason and work with you. Thank you.(talk) 01:39, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I don't think the article satisfies WP:GNG. Most media mentions as not significant. Adamgerber80 (talk) 15:19, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 00:41, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mi familia perfecta (telenovela)[edit]

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It may air, it may not. Nothing in the article or Google indicated notability, and this whole article is unsourced. Boleyn (talk) 19:53, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The series can be sourced to Telemundo itself[25], but that's it. On that page it actually says "the channel has not yet released official information". Much too soon for an article: Noyster (talk), 11:16, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Concur with nom, this fails notability criteria and without any sourcing, it's gotta go. Waggie (talk) 17:42, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 18:10, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Moji (extension)[edit]

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This topic shows no evidence of notability. It looks like a Firefox plug-in just like thousands of others. Codename Lisa (talk) 19:04, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per GNG. I can find nothing written about this that is independent of the developers. Cnilep (talk) 04:53, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 18:09, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Altaf Park, Jhelum[edit]

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Run-of-the-mill park with no significant coverage. Fails WP:GNG. Störm (talk) 16:56, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:NGEO SeraphWiki (talk) 20:29, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep with sources added. AfD is not the Wikipedia Cleanup Dept. (non-admin closure) Optakeover^(U)(T)(C) 16:14, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Islamabad Stock Exchange Tower[edit]

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Nothing significant to pass WP:GNG. Alternate is to redirect to defunct Islamabad Stock Exchange. Störm (talk) 16:39, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Deletion is not the answer. If not kept outright, it can be merged/redirected, probably to List of tallest buildings in Islamabad. --Doncram (talk) 21:18, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Seventh tallest building in Islamabad and a headquarters building for several corporations. Nate • (chatter) 23:44, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No sources means no stand-alone article. Störm (talk) 07:18, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Current lack of sources in an article is not a reason for deletion. Probable existence of sources suffices. wp:AFDISNOTFORCLEANUP. --Doncram (talk) 04:04, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Appears to be one of the major buildings of Islamabad's skyline, per Doncram. Mar4d (talk) 11:39, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Today (4 January 2018) I added 7 references and 1 external link to this article. Replaced 2 non-working links. This 22-story twin tower building has many corporate offices which I backed up with my references. Thanks Ngrewal1 (talk) 17:09, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:42, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Wolff (consul-general)[edit]

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Delete per GNG and NATHLETE.

A consul is, itself, not notable and an honorary consul less so. The subject's only other claims to fame is that he was allegedly "the first person to skydive and scuba dive the North Pole on the same day" which is sourced to two personal travel essays, and that he was captain of the Austrian team at the 2001 BASE jumping championship which is credited to a source that doesn't actually support this statement (and I'm not sure qualifies under NATHLETE even if it did).

On a separate note, this seems to be written by someone very close to Wolff. Most of the content since its creation in 2011 was added by one of three burner SPAs: User:Michelemier User:Henryhiggens, User:Sebastianhiggins. The images of Wolff are glamour shots credited as "own work" by one of them, and the entire tone of the article is highly promotional. Chetsford (talk) 16:16, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination Billhpike (talk) 21:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Puff piece for a non-notable, albeit interesting, individual. Boneymau (talk) 04:59, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTLINKEDIN. A social-media-esque autobiog on a non notable individual. Kb.au (talk) 15:03, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and per Boneymau and Kb.au. The sources provided are largely directly type listings, and so do not establish notability. Nick-D (talk) 06:43, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 01:04, 9 January 2018 (UTC).[reply]
Delete as per above. Interesting but hardly notable. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:38, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Be sure to delete from disambiguation page if deleting article. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:38, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 18:08, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Reid[edit]

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A prolific author. But has anyone paid the amount of independent coverage needed to met BLPN? Andy Dingley (talk) 16:06, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The link titled "Alarge collection of up to date articles and News on Daniel P Deid" is 404. Says it all, really. I know quackery reasonably well, this is not a notable quack. Guy (Help!) 18:41, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not enough reliable sources to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:38, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, couldn't find anything on Google News or Scholar.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 07:19, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP, Here is an updated archive of Media references and articles on subject. What is the point of deleting this page of a noted author on his field with over 20 main stream publications? What is the value to lose this article? KEEP!--Rickbrown9 (talk) 16:27, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to pull out the big Wikipedia rubber mallet, but WP:GNG states, "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

These are... ...not. Not. Not. Andy Dingley (talk) 23:13, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Cavalryman V31 (talk) 01:09, 9 January 2018 (UTC).[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 18:04, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Josias Cardoso (Author)[edit]

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This article was marked for removal by a user before, however citing this article for community discussion.it is from a TV and radio presenter, book writer, won best seller trophy by a book publisher and was nominated for literature award in his country. What to do: Delet or Keep? --juniorcardenas30 17:24, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion. In reading the Portuguese-languages sources:

Per WP:BIO there's no evidence of winning a "well-known and significant award or honor"; no "widely recognized contribution" in a particular field, only three self-published titles; and being a radio announcer is not a "unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment".

Several of the URLs in the sources are dead. Prburley (talk)

Comment.My apologies to everyone, accidentally I marked the article for speedy deletion but I see that the links of the sources are working when analyzing with attention and and now see that evidence of winning a award published by Brazilian publishing house which does not configure self-publishing. I'm sorry for the mistake! --juniorcardenas30 23:58, 28 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juniorcardenas30 (talk • contribs)

Speedy deletion. Winning a best seller award from your own publisher is not a significant literary award. For a list of significant literary awards in Brazil, see Lista de prémios literários. For example, the Prêmio Machado de Assis. Prburley (talk) 16:04, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No assertion of notability, nomination for an award is not notable of itself. --Wtshymanski (talk) 23:48, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - This discussion page was created without the {{afd}} template and never transcluded to a daily log. Fixed now--I have no opinion at this time on the nomination itself. @Juniorcardenas30: For future nominations, please fully follow the procedures at WP:AFDHOWTO. Thanks. --Finngall ^talk 15:14, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Opinions are divided about whether the subject is notable, with some turning to standard metrics and others highlighting what they consider her significant contributions to linguistics. These are all valid arguments, and therefore the article is kept by default for lack of consensus to delete. Sandstein 18:03, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Marie-Lucie Tarpent[edit]

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Non-notable academic. Clearly does not meet WP:PROF. <100 Google hits. Scopus lists a total of one academic article to her name (published in 1997 and has only six citations). According to the talk page, the article was pure COI. It was created by one of her friends and has been extensively edited by Tarpent herself. Bueller 007 (talk) 13:52, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Additionally, the article is circularly sourced all with subject's own papers/chapters. Agricola44 (talk) 16:39, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I have to admit that I also used to think that people not much more accomplished than the subject here were notable, but I have come to see they are not. When I first created the article on Camille Fronk Olson, she had published more academic papers than the subject here, and had also authored multiple books, but that article was deleted, and it took her adding more to her publication record for it to return.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:47, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Scopus is of no use in this subject area. Tarpent has quite a few publications coming up on a google scholar search. – Uanfala (talk) 13:23, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Fails WP:BIO. AuthorAuthor (talk) 08:05, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Citation counts in Google Scholar are too low for WP:PROF#C1 and no other form of notability is evident. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:31, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think an area like Tsimshianic linguistics is wont to generate citation counts of the magnitude usually seen in more popular fields. Notability of academics is evaluated relative to their field, right? – Uanfala (talk) 13:00, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - To a point, but the smaller the pond one considers the bigger the fish would have to be to be considered notable. Otherwise anyone could be considered notable, by being the authority in the specific subject of their own research. And Tsimshianic linguistics seems like a pretty small pond to me. I'd rather compare her to linguists considered more broadly. And given how easy it is in linguistics to find papers that individually have thousands of citations, hers just don't stack up. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:27, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Browsing the sources out there, it seems clear that the page is reasonably accurate. I found a report written by Susan Marsden, who seems to be a curator at the Museum of Northern British Columbia and so was being consulted as an authority. This states that "Marie-Lucie Tarpent, a linguist who works with the southern Tsimshian at Kitasoo and with the Nisga’a, has contributed significantly to the understanding of the language and the importance of morphemes (the component words that make up most words)." I consider that this is adequate to pass WP:NACADEMIC, which states "The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed". When athletes are routinely permitted pages just for showing up on the sport field, we should not set the bar higher for respectable scholars. The page should be permitted to remain for further development per our editing policy. Andrew D. (talk) 10:53, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I mostly agree with Andrew D.'s assessment above. She seems to be notable in her narrow field of linguistics. I concur with Uanfala that citation metrics are not the best criteria to be used in this case. From WP:Academic "Arguing that someone is an expert in an extremely narrow area of study is, in and of itself, not necessarily sufficient to satisfy Criterion 1, except for the actual leaders in those subjects." She may fall under that last portion of criterion 1. Thsmi002 (talk) 13:57, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Indigenous studies (like AA studies, women's studies, etc.) have been growing rapidly in the last several decades. It is most certainly not a narrow area of study. Agricola44 (talk) 23:20, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it is noteworthy WP:PROF is a guideline and it should be weighed with common sense. There's really exception here. A person described as authority in a particular discipline by reliable sources such is enough to o merit an article in a truly educational encyclopedia. Ammarpad (talk) 14:48, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The last 3 "keeps" have been tendered on the basis of a standard academic flourish ("contributed significantly") in an unpublished report by someone whose affiliation I cannot find. This is far short of what we typically accept for PROF c1. Agricola44 (talk) 21:13, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PROF is not a rigid rule; it's a guideline and states explicitly that "it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply". Andrew D. (talk) 21:23, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So, you maintain that the opinion of an apparently amateur historian expressed in a single, unpublished work, with no other corroborating RS is enough to convince you that this person is notable? Agricola44 (talk) 23:20, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

" Amateur historian"?! this is not surprising for someone who expressed WP:JNN-like delete argument. Academic like this will not get scooped by journalist for every immense underground work they do for human literature like how they'll do when really amateur musician posts "hi" on Twitter. That's why WP:PROF is guideline and common sense will tell us not stick to array of sources but the quality of their content, the impact and academic authority the subjects enjoys. –Ammarpad (talk) 03:18, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I find your argument to be inscrutable. Are you saying that the report by Marsden has appeared as a peer-reviewed publication? After looking a fair bit, I could not find any material vouching for the reliability of this document. If you have more info, please share. Otherwise, you and the other "keeps" are basing your !votes on a single, unreliable source. Agricola44 (talk) 03:45, 30 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Thsmi002. Agricola44 is being obtuse in response: she is an actual leader in her extremely narrow field for the purposes of that guideline. I find it a bit ludicrous to try to claim that a linguist specialising in very specific languages is really specialising in "indigenous studies" (er, no) for the purposes of trying to end-run WP:PROF. The Drover's Wife (talk) 10:58, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not be rude to a respected and experienced editor by calling her obtuse. The editor has a long record at academic Afds and knows policy in that area probably as well as anybody. Xxanthippe (talk) 07:09, 1 January 2018 (UTC).[reply]

I beg your pardon. Each broad intellectual topic has numerous specialties, which have numerous sub-specialities, and so on down the line. For example a person working on E₈ applied to theoretical physics would be called a "physicist" and would likely be found in a department of physics. We could, for almost any intellectual, commit the fallacy of continuing to sub-divide a field of study in order to drill down to a sufficiently specialized area to be able to then claim that "she is an actual leader in her extremely narrow field". By definition, most academics do indeed "specialize" in this context, and would therefore be notable using your (fallacious) argument. This particular person has worked on a specific indigenous language, which is certainly a part of both linguistics and indigenous studies, both of which are well-established academically. (If you doubt the second claim, consider that numerous institutions have established departments of indigenous studies and there are numerous dedicated journals on the topic.) It is true that these are not highly-cited areas (having commensurately higher inclusion bars) like applied physics or molecular biology, but Tarpent's research impact (record available in GS) is very mediocre, even by the lowest of standards. A paper from 1983 has 17 citations and one from 1997 has 23. The rest are single digits. The article is mostly sourced with Tarpent's own works, her CV, a grant application (for which she was not the PI), an unrefereed report, etc. General web searching turns up nothing more than facebooky-type hits, faculty pages, etc., but no general coverage (like in newspapers) that would qualify her under GNG. Finally, WorldCat shows holdings of her print books to be in the single digits. So, you might comment on which of these aspects renders her notable. Agricola44 (talk) 19:44, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:Prof. Unfortunately the farthest I can stretch the GS h-index is 6, which is inadequate even for an obscure field. Thanks to Andrew D [26] for drawing attention to this AfD. Xxanthippe (talk) 23:21, 31 December 2017 (UTC).[reply]
Keep -- linguistics is a low-cited field, but Google books bring up enough mentions to indicate that the subject is considered an expert in the field link. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:49, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The subject's entries in Google books are of material written by the subject, not about her by others and the link you give are just of people acknowleging help. They don't count as citations. Citations are not necessarily small in linguistics, Noam Chomsky has over 100,000 GS citations, the subject has less than 100. Looks like a WP:Too soon. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:23, 1 January 2018 (UTC).[reply]

@Xxanthippe: Chomsky is widely regarded as the most influential living intellectual in any field and is explicitly described in our article as "one of the most cited scholars in history". He's probably not the most useful point of comparison. Also, the subject of this AfD is a 76-year-old retired professor, so I'm not sure when you'd be expecting WP:TOOSOON to expire? – Joe (talk) 11:54, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was trying to be charitable, but I guess WP:Too soon has expired already. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:28, 9 January 2018 (UTC).[reply]

Yes, I count maybe ~40 individual citations and acknowledgements (the latter which don't count). This is very mediocre and pushing to classify her area as "very narrow" and therefore a low-enough-citation-area that we should exempt this case from standards is basically special pleading. Citations, whether in books, journals, or conf papers are counted individually and equally...and low double-digits over a many-decades career simply does not disntinguish Tarpent from the "average professor". Agricola44 (talk) 04:07, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Largely per the comments of Agricola44. Looks like she fails WP:NACADEMIC and she definitely looks to fail WP:GNG. While we have to be very careful not to just look at an academic's citation count and H-index before deciding whether they are notable, we also can't just say "it's a small field" and ignore their publication record. Are there any independent secondary sources that actually discuss Tarpent and her impact on her field in any depth? And we have to be careful here, if we define an academic's "field" narrowly enough then nearly all academic researchers would pass criteria 1 of WP:NACADEMIC. One sentence in one report doesn't meet a reasonable threshold in my opinion. -- Shudde^talk 09:47, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Linguistics is not that small a field, that there wouldn't be some coverage, re: trade magazines, awards and honours (medals), professional qualifications, professional bodies, institutes, academies, associations etc, paper's and so on. scope_creep (talk) 12:51, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: As a linguist, after looking carefully into some of Tarpent's published works, I believe she has made significant contributions to the analysis of the Nishka and Gitskan languages which cannot be found in other studies. Even if these languages are not considered to be on the same level as those covered by Chomsky, her biography therefore deserves to be included in the encyclopaedia.--Ipigott (talk) 12:57, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The personal opinions of editors count for little unless supported by independent sources and there are too few of them here. Xxanthippe (talk) 21:28, 9 January 2018 (UTC).[reply]

I offered my "opinion" after adding to the article. The article and its references have developed considerably since it was tagged. In any case, I still maintain the main role of an encyclopaedia is to be informative, in line with the views of Andrew Davidson.--Ipigott (talk) 11:02, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The references are still mostly her own works and websites and such. Equally problematic, none of the usual indicators for passing PROF are there, as explained above. Your justification seems to boil down to, as you said, "I believe..." Agricola44 (talk) 14:22, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:IAR. Yes, there's no way this can be stretched to a pass of WP:PROF or any other SNG. But the purpose of notability guidelines are to help us decide which topics we can write good encyclopaedia articles about. And looking it this page, I see a good encyclopaedia article. Thanks to Queen-washington, Thsmi002, and Ipigott, it's an informative biography of a scholar who made significant contributions to linguistics, primary sources are used appropriately, and it violates none of our core content policies. Deleting it would be a detriment to the encyclopaedia, so why delete it? – Joe (talk) 16:00, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You answered your own question with your observation "there's no way this can be stretched to a pass of WP:PROF or any other SNG". I would submit that all the recent keeps are nothing more than editor POVs. Agricola44 (talk) 16:43, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PROF states plainly at the outset that it should be "treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply." I reckon that the subject passes criterion #1 but this might otherwise reasonably be considered one of those exceptions. Andrew D. (talk) 16:53, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I do agree that notability is a valid concern and I understand why Bueller 007 nominated the article as he found it. But we're not here to apply rote rules, we're here to write an encyclopaedia, and against the odds this has been turned into a decent encyclopaedia article. Put another way, can the delete !voters point to anything that is actually wrong with the article, other than the fact it doesn't meet the letter of WP:PROF? Which, let's remember, is a guideline. – Joe (talk) 16:51, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:PROF, which is a flawed guideline when it comes to fields other than hard sciences and fails to take into account citation and publishing biases,[27], [28], but nonetheless in this case supports maintaining the article. She was chair of the department of languages at Mount Saint Vincent University.[29], [30]. This, this and this are works not by the author, which discuss her work and could be used to improve the article. SusunW (talk) 16:53, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@SusunW: Getting a bit off topic, but I think it would be a good idea to incorporate those biases into the guideline. WP:PROF#Citation metrics does make reference to disciplinary differences but it's rather vague and out of date. – Joe (talk) 17:09, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The consensus is to delete. DGG ( talk ) 00:26, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of Religious Wars[edit]

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I wouldn't deny that this is a potentially viable list: however I very much doubt that a comprehensive (ie useful) list could be compiled. It would simply be too depressingly long. TheLongTone (talk) 14:24, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to religious war, which already gets into the listing business. XOR'easter (talk) 17:57, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete the fact that the article lacks French Wars of Religion, makes me sceptical of its usefulness from a broad historical context. To add to problems, what is and what is not a religious war is a complex issue, and the mentioned article better can sort this out than a free standing list. For example, to what extent was the 80 Years War a religious war, and to what extent was it a Dutch movement against Spanish imperialism?John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:09, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The article is new. Maybe you should add the French Wars of Religion? :) Malinaccier (talk) 20:14, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The nominator wants to delete the article because it would be too long and depressing? Neither of these reasons is a valid reason for deletion. The topic is notable and there are many lists of wars by type that function perfectly well (see Outline of war#Wars). Johnpacklambert's point is that it is difficult to assign a criteria for inclusion to the list. Setting a criteria for inclusion is always an important for lists and should be determined by consensus. This list was only started on December 26th, I am not surprised that a criterion for inclusion has not yet been defined. Again, this is not a good reason to delete the list—it is a good reason to improve the list. Malinaccier (talk) 20:14, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect to religious war which already lists important events with more complete prose. —Paleo Neonate – 20:44, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- WP:TNT: In principle it would be nice to a list article, but this is not it, nor are the examples in Religious wars particularly helpful. Differences of religion are a factor in many wars, particularly where they become ethnicities or quasi-ethnicities, as in the Serb/Croat conflict in Yugoslavia in the 1990s, where the major difference was whether you wrote much the same language with Roman or Cyrillic script. In Yemen the surrogate conflict is Shia/Sunni, but it is perhaps as much about whether the South should rule the North or vice versa and which tribe or clan should be the ruling group. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:06, 31 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or Userfy per WP:TNT. Many of the 5 wars currently listed are questionable for inclusion whereas notable religious wars (say, umm, the Crusades) are not listed. This topic could be notable. At the present state it simply is not at a level appropriate for main space.Icewhiz (talk) 14:32, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Firstly, per WP:TNT. If there were going to be an article, it would need to be restarted from the ground up. It would also need to be renamed. Since that theoretical article would have replaced every part of this article, it would actually not be this article but a brand new article, so there is no benefit to retaining this unrelated one. Secondly, it is unclear what the criteria would be for including a war as a "religious war", particularly since for most wars, countries tend to have multiple motives for entering into many of their wars. Would both sides have to be fighting for religious reasons, or just one? Would religion have to be the primary motivator, one of several significant motivators, or just any motivator at all? Would a war with clearly secular motives count if you got the pope's permission first, as one contemporary chronicler suggestes the Norman conquest of England was? Would inclusion be based on what the participants said at the time, or modern historical consensus? (For example, a war where historians consider the declaration of a war on religious grounds an obvious pretext for something the ruler wanted to do anyway.) Is it enough to attribute victory to divine intervention, or to thank your deity/deities for all that new territory you have after the war is over? If the ruler is considered a living god, is any war they fight a religious war? What about any war the Papal states was involved in? Lists need to have clear criteria for inclusion, and this one would not. Egsan Bacon (talk) 16:05, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:TNT. Ill-defined, possible impossible-to-define list. To be sure, there are some undeniable religious wars, ie. the Hussite Wars, but in general it is difficult to separates a "religious" war from a war of conquest, a dynastic struggle, or other kinds of wars where the Pope, or the Ottoman Emperor acting as Caliph declares a war to be a crusade or jihad.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:13, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I think that aside from the Crusades, there are few cases where reliable sources define wars as primarily religious in nature. Usually it is a religious conflict in the context of a greater war. Thus I think the list is unworkable and will invite a lot of unsourced additions over time. SeraphWiki (talk) 20:21, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Wrong venue. Has been nominated at RfD here. (non-admin closure) Iffy★Chat -- 16:40, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Virtual nation[edit]

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A removed redirect. 333 -blue 13:48, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I mostly agree with the edit summary left by the person who blanked the redirect. "Virtual nation" isn't a synonym for "fictional country"; while that isn't dispositive, since synonymy is hardly the only grounds for redirection, the term "virtual" doesn't appear in the original redirect target, fictional country, and "virtual national" implies to me something like an online community that simulates the operation of a country, which is completely different from anything covered at the redirect target. Therefore, I consider the redirect to be inaccurate and misleading. Largoplazo (talk) 15:16, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong forum This should be taken to WP:RFD Iffy★Chat -- 15:59, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I've boldly removed the AFD tag, restored the original redirect, and submitted the page to RFD. Can someone wrap this discussion up? Largoplazo (talk) 16:23, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Iffy★Chat -- 16:40, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:56, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In Bloom (Neck Deep Song)[edit]

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Not seeing how this single passes WP:NMUSIC.Could be redirected to Neck Deep. Winged Blades^Godric 13:34, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I found https://www.bbc.co.uk/music/tracks/n4f3xz but it's in no way a reliable source. This may be a case of WP:TOOSOON, but it's not yet a notable song at any rate. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:40, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy deleted by Doug Weller per G3. (non-admin closure) Happy New Year!!! ^{Babymissfortune} 13:21, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jason Rich Smith[edit]

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Non-notable individual, no coverage from reliable sources. Had tagged for speedy delete one of many new accounts removed it, so AFD process it is. Greyjoy^talk 12:50, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete blatant hoax, and very similar to an earlier article that was deleted following a deletion discussion Icarusgeek (talk) 13:02, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Destruction discography#Studio albums. If additional (reliable) sources for the album become available, I would not see any issue with Thrash Anthems II being re-spun off (redirect reverted). Thrash Anthems, which appears to have been attempted to be nominated (but only listed on article page & not mentioned by the nominator here), is closed as keep. As usual, if you have any concerns with the closure or feel that it should be opened to further discussion, please reach out to me on my talk page (and please be civil). (non-admin closure) TheSandDoctor (talk) 16:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thrash Anthems II[edit]

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I cannot see why this recording is notable; my redirect to the band keeps being undone. Seeking a broader consensus. TheLongTone (talk) 13:23, 27 December 2017 (UTC) I am also nominating Thrash Anthems II for the same reason.[reply]

Incidentally, although I made both of these articles into redirects to the band concerned, I do have doubts as to whther a redirect of such a generic title is a good idea.TheLongTone (talk) 13:29, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't like people undoing your redirects, leave more coherent edit summaries. These half-baked comments aren't exactly clear to newbies. If I were new and that's all the feedback I got, I'd revert you too. Sergecross73 msg me 04:09, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

RedirectNon notable, most of it ocmes from the non RS BLABBERMOUNT.NET. I don't think it is too generic. L3X1 (distænt write) 14:32, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Wow, a lot of sloppy work done here - a lot to cover. First, to clarify, I assume the nominator wishes to delete the articles Thrash Anthems and Thrash Anthems II. The nomination alludes to multiple articles, but only mentions Thrash Anthems II by name (twice.) But the nominator was edit warring across both articles, and put the deletion notice on both, so I assume they meant to bundle these 2 together in one nomination. Which was ill-conceived as well - they're totally different releases with different scenarios to look into.

Thrash Anthems - Keep - Plenty of dedicated, reliable source coverage exists for this release. Sources are reliable per WP:MUSIC/SOURCES, and are detailed and dedicated to the release:

Lengthy AllMusic review.
Exclaim review.
Blabbermouth review.
Metal Injection review.
Rock Hard review (A long-running German print magazine - Rock Hard (magazine).)

Thrash Anthems II - Redirect - Conversely, I'm not seeing any dedicated reviews for II. However, it shouldn't be deleted, it's got sources that verify its existence, and is a plausible search term, so it's worth redirecting the band or its discography article. It's only been out a month, so its conceivable it'll get more coverage down the line, so I'd be open to spinning it out if more sourcing comes out down the line. Sergecross73 msg me 15:46, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thrash Anthems II - Redirect - Honestly, I've got to agree with Sergecross. Until there's enough coverage found for the article, it would be best to redirect the album to the Destruction discography page. ULTRA-DARKNESS^{:) 2 CHAT} 17:10, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, A Train^talk 12:14, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect I wasn't able to find any good sources to establish notability for this album SeraphWiki (talk) 13:00, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - To closing admin - Because no one else is mentioning the original Thrash Anthems by name, (not even the nominator), I'd ask that you please don't redirect it when you redirect Thrash Anthems II. (Disregard if future comments change the current consensus.) Sergecross73 msg me 17:12, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. It is broadly agreed that privacy concerns do not trump accurate reporting of reliably sourced criminal convictions by public figures. bd2412 T 04:40, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of American state and local politicians convicted of crimes[edit]

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I propose to delete this list because of privacy concerns; specifically, the increasingly recognized "right to be forgotten". While I agree that this information should be retained in the respective individual articles if the persons are notable and the convictions received media coverage, for those persons who are not notable this list is a "online pillory" of sorts, publicly stigmatizing them as criminals only because they happened to be politicians at one time, even if their conviction has nothing to do with their public office. We do not similarly stigmatize other people just because of their job (e.g., there's no "list of American gardeners convicted of crime"), and we should not do so here. Otherwise we leave the door open to making similar lists that attempt to make a political point by implicitly portraying a whole group of people as criminals, e.g. "List of African Americans convicted of crime", "List of journalists ...", "List of conservative politicians ...".

There are also other concerns with this list. It's obviously very incomplete, and can't ever be reasonably complete given the probably tens of thousands of names that would need to be added, down to every proverbial village dogcatcher convicted of, say, cruelty to animals. This means that inclusion is essentially random, and the list provides a misleading and very incomplete picture of criminality by US politicians. Of course many of our lists are incomplete, but given the particular WP:BLP concerns with this list, we should not tolerate this in the same way we can live with the incompleteness of say, anime episode lists.

Moreover, the list is out of our scope (WP:NOT). It essentially attempts to replicate a subset of official criminal record databases. Such databases are normally well regulated by law, including as regards the extent to which information in them may be made public, and are maintained by professionals and overseen by specialized authorities. That's not the case for Wikipedia. We should not attempt to accomplish a task for which we are entirely unsuited.

Finally, the list topic is not notable per WP:LISTN. While of course crimes by individual politicians do get media coverage, the criminality of US local politicians as a group is not covered in any detail in any reliable sources that I am aware of or that are cited in the article. But such coverage of the topic as a whole would be required to make the list topic notable. Sandstein 12:20, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment For ease of discussion I have added numbers to Sandstein's arguements.Orliepie (talk) 21:56, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I undid this. Do not edit the comments of others. Sandstein 23:29, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Per WP:NOTCENSORED and lack of EU (or Argentine) jurisdiction over Wikipedia. The list's inclusion criteria at present states Not everyone who works in government is a politician save those who meet the requirements of Notability in the English Wikipedia. Private citizens, businessmen and family should not be included, unless they relate to the crime as co-defendants. so all those mentioned are in any event eligible notability wise, WP:NPOL, for a Wikipedia article. A list of American NPOL eligible politicians intersected by crime conviction is not unmanageable in size. Nom's comment of "down to every proverbial village dogcatcher convicted" is addressed by the list inclusion criteria of meeting NPOL which at present does not include dogcatchers.Icewhiz (talk) 13:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC) Futhermore, the subject of convicted politicians has been addressed as a group, for instance: A Brief History of Members of Congress Breaking the Law, The Atlantic, 20 notable politicians convicted of crimes since 2000, Deseret News, Politicians who have been indicted, Politico, Lock Him Up: Impeachments in the United States, Don Riley.Icewhiz (talk) 13:30, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I don't see how the particular grouping of "convicted state and local politicians" is notable by itself, Your 1st source deals with convicted federal politicians (and even links to the associated Wikipedia article) and isn't relevant to this discussion, the 2nd and 3rd sources groups convicted federal and state politicians in to a single group called "convicted politicians", and the 4th has Donald Trump (a federal politician) on the front cover. I may consider supporting a merge of the 2 articles (if someone's up to the task) as there's no question of the combined group being notable, but I can't see the notability of this particular grouping. Iffy★Chat -- 15:44, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - I admittedly ignored the distinction here between state&local and federal (as opposed to American politicians, in general, convicted of crimes). However this seems to be more of a matter of article organization and readability than a notability issue - I think a merge would result in a less readable article.Icewhiz (talk) 16:06, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - I do not think that NOTCENSORED applies here. That policy means that we don't exclude content just because somebody objects to it, e.g. on moral grounds. But we do routinely exclude content to which people object on policy grounds. And concern for the privacy of the people we cover is very much part of our policies, see e.g WP:BLP: "Biographies of living persons ("BLPs") must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. (...) The possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment." That's the kind of judgment we exercise in omitting content such as that discussed here. Sandstein 23:34, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      - I cited NOTCENSORED due to your nomination motivation of because of privacy concerns; specifically, the increasingly recognized "right to be forgotten" - which is not Wikipedia policy, is something many (me included) object to being referred to as a right, and is being used to censor on-line outlets (e.g. Google, maybe Wikipedia next?) in the EU. Policy wise, many on this list are dead (e.g. 19th century) and BLPCRIME doesn't apply. Anyone who is not dead meets WP:PUBLICFIGURE - so it is irrelevant anyway, and in any case WP:BLPCRIME states "For relatively unknown people, editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed, or is accused of having committed, a crime, unless a conviction has been secured. This list would be appropriate even if these were little known people (if the list were, in and of itself notable, e.g. "list of Jihadist terrorists" or "list of janitors convicted of obstruction" (jokingly - if this were treated as a set) - as a conviction has been secured.Icewhiz (talk) 21:58, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per WP:NOTCENSORED and the amount of work that so many editors have made. JimmyJoe87 (talk) 15:24, 3 January 2018 (UTC) Furthermore, there are other articles also dedicated to the conviction of politicians e.g List of American federal politicians convicted of crimes JimmyJoe87 (talk) 15:35, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
delete per pretty much everything Sandstein says. WP:NOTCENSORED is not a primary principle, and has a lesser rank than WP:BLP, and once again I return to the ARBCOM ruling of yore that "Implicit in the policy on biographies of living people is the understanding that Wikipedia articles should respect the basic human dignity of their subjects." Really, most appeals to WP:NOTCENSORED ought to be a signal to those making the appeal to get a conscience/morals tune-up. And the fact that people have spent a lot of time on this says only that (a) too many people should have known better, and that (b) this should have been deleted sooner. Mangoe (talk) 20:14, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I would even like to see this list expanded to something similar to List of federal political scandals in the United States which was also nominated for deletion in 2010 and again in 2017. The result was Keep, twice. Conviction is a more restrictive label than scandal and as a result this list should remain.

1. I would argue politicians give up the right to normal privacy when they run for public office and are paid by public funds.

2. Of course it's incomplete, encyclopedias, wikipedia and democracy itself is an always moving always changing topic. Remember, you can help to make the list less incomplete by adding more entries.

3. Out of our scope? Nothing is outside wikipedia's scope. Hence the name, wikipedia.

4. In paragraph 3 you state,"databases are normally well regulated by law" then you state "criminality of US local politicians as a group is not covered". Please make up your mind. Besides, what others cover is irrelevant. This is wikpedia. Political criminals as a group, any group are very notable.Orliepie (talk) 22:17, 3 January 2018 (UTC) — Orliepie (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Per your point 1, you don't get to overrule BLP policy that way. And per your point 3, much of WP:NOT is devoted to excluding various things from WP's scope. Mangoe (talk) 22:27, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Political scandals are something entirely different. Not every conviction of a politician constitutes a scandal, and vice versa. Sandstein 23:35, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Orliepie, I do not know a lot of things, but I do know that your completely and utterly wrong on point 1-3 (no comment on point 4, it's whatever for me, but fair I suppose). 1, 2, and 3; I have to repeat are just so wrong. I a Middlesex Community College student, obviously I deserve a normal amount of privacy, but I also got elected to public office. I am not going out of my way to mention the details of my life to other people, and I expect others to respect that it doesn't affect anything involving my professional life. Unless I am guilty of misusing public funds, corruption, or abuse of power; unless the media fairly reports on it, then it shouldn't be on Wikipedia.

I also don't get paid any money. Local politics is mostly a volunteering gig, so we shouldn't be operating under the assumption that Wikipedia is the watchdog of criminal behavior for some baker who got elected to the Board of Education (and was arrested for smoking pot 20 years ago). It's none of our business, I don't see a real policy argument behind it, and the fact it will "always be changing" means we shouldn't include it for the sole reason that it will waste our editors time trying to do simple maintenance on it. At the very least, it could be a category of already notable local politicians like Joe Ganim. I can't even respond to 3. I will just say you really should rethink that.―Matthew J. Long -Talk-^☖ 04:05, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article is 8 years old. You're the first to complain.Newlenp (talk) 20:21, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"This has been around a long time" is never going to fly as a reason. We don't grandfather bad material. Mangoe (talk) 23:21, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Right to be forgotten is a European law that is not applicable here. I have no problem with the list and, as the previous editor says, there has not been one for eight years.104.163.153.162 (talk) 22:47, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Seems a lot of time and effort has gone into the making of this article since it was first created. Clearly many people find the article interesting as there are 8 years worth of edits. 82.132.214.246 (talk) 00:07, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of federal political scandals in the United States is a similar article to List of American state and local politicians convicted of crimes. I've been asked to help with pinging editors who participated in the "List of federal political scandals in the United States" deletion discussions to inform them of this discussion.
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Cunard (talk) 09:09, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. All these individual are notable, and everything here can be documented. We have almost always held that for the career of an elected politician, convictions of crimes are relevant content and BLP does not justify their exclusion even when it would for a non public figure, or even a public figure in other walks of life where some crimes might be regarded as irrelevant to their profession, because the overall moral fitness of a politician is relevant to the nature of -their profession. I think we would even include crimes less then felonies ,because the public does use them in its judgements. There is only one real problem in the article--it only covers the last few years and needs extend backwards. In the US the right to be forgotten does not apply,so we do not have to take it into account. When dealing with countries where it does apply, it is in direct opposition to our basic principle of not censored, and I would argue for ignoring it at enWP except for instances WP:LEGAL insisted we remove it. But for US figures that's not relevant. DGG ( talk ) 09:25, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. All of them, local, state and federal as per US legal Code, there is no 'right to be forgotten' especially for public officials. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 09:49, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, and all such list articles ought to be banned Darkness Shines (talk) 15:48, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete My biggest concern with this list is that most local politicians are not notable. So creating a list of those who are convicted of crimes seems to give undue weight.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:27, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I do not accept the argument that any "right to be forgotten" applies here, or to Wikipedia in general for clearly notable people. As for the dogcatcher concern, this list should be restricted to clearly notable politicians who either have biographies already, or are obviously notable such as state legislators. All others should be removed. Because of the issue of public trust, politicians are (or should be) held to a much higher standard than gardeners and most other occupations. Another concern is that these should be criminal convictions. Kris Kobach, for example, got fined by a judge for misrepresenting some documents. He should be removed from the list. These are maintenance issues, not arguments to delete. Sources linked to above make it clear that there is widespread coverage of the intersection between politicians and convicted criminals. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:56, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Changing the scale does not negate the concept. If a federal politician affects the entire United States and is notable, is not a state politician affecting his state just as notable? Who are we to judge who or what is more important to South Dakotians? Sheriff Joe Arpaio affected Arizona on a daily basis in ways federal politicians arguably did not. Politicians of all stripes, areas and sizes are equally important if they are affecting YOU.Valleyjc (talk) 19:50, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Would I get a Wikipedia page because I matter to anyone petitioning the Cromwell Board of Assessment Appeals? ―Matthew J. Long -Talk-^☖ 04:19, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

keep politicians have no special right to hide their wrongdoings--if anything, it is just the opposite for public figures. If these politicians and their supporters object to being included in a list of criminals, they should have thought of that before they did the crime. BLP is of no consequence when actions are fully documented with sources--as these entries are. Hmains (talk) 23:48, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- politicians, especially state-level, are by their nature not "low profile individuals" and the right to be forgotten does not apply to them. Most are blue-linked entries and the list appears to be well sourced. I think the case for removing nn local-level politicians (i.e. a county comissioner without an article) could be made on the talk page. I would support removal of those who meet the two criteria: a. they do not have articles, and b. do not meet WP:NPOL. If such discussion commenses post closure (if this article is kept), I would be happy to be pinged about it. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:29, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - American politicians who commit crimes have no "right to be forgotten". Quite the contrary. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:30, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Snow keep. Clearly meets LISTN, the topic of local public corruption is well-covered in news and academia. The BLP concerns raised do not apply to those who have willingly placed themselves in the public sphere in order to obtain political power. Frankly, any XFD nomination citing a so-called "right" to be "forgotten" should be laughed out of the venue. James (^talk/_contribs) 19:28, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The flip side of elected politicians getting autopasses for WP biographies is that they are all basically notable in WP terms when the shit hits the fan. As long as this is adequately footnoted it is neither defamatory nor coatracking. WP is not paper and this strikes me as a valid navigational device. Carrite (talk) 04:38, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The list, as drafted, doesn't pass WP:LISTN. The criteria seem too vague and so the crimes include things like reckless driving and trespass. Myself, I once created a list of honest politicians. It didn't have these problems as it was carefully constructed using sources which discussed the matter in a general way and which cited paragons such as Cincinnatus. Nevertheless that list was deleted. To have one list without the other is not neutral. To have it just for some recentist list of US politicians makes look like Wikipedia is being used for blatant character assassination contrary to WP:BLP and WP:NOTSCANDAL. Andrew D. (talk) 07:42, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Your article was deleted, so this is payback time?Johnsagent (talk) 06:17, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Snow keep meets WP:LISTN and as usual add only those people who are convicted. Orientls (talk) 11:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This list is a maintenance nightmare and includes many non-notable individuals. A category would be a much more appropriate way of conveying this information, and would save editors the trouble of having to weed out non-notable individuals, since categories can only be applied to articles. I also agree with much of the arguments put forth by User:Sandstein and User:Andrew Davidson. 28bytes (talk) 19:44, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete given that the current version does not provide a definition of "crime". The list does specific that it should include only individuals who committed crimes while in office, and I myself would favor changing the article title to reflect that. But there is no indication regarding when the convictions take place, and they could be several years after the pol leaves office. A list of politicians removed from office for criminal activity would be more useful and have fewer problems, as would a list of politicians who resigned from office for criminal activity. But particularly with the freaking huge number of politicians who might do something to be included, and the lack of definition of one of the primary qualifiers for the list, "crime," and the likelihood that real world opponents of the individuals are likely to try to push the standards of notability for the purposes of smearing them, this individual list as it is currently constructed looks to me like maybe creating more problems than it might solve. John Carter (talk) 20:08, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The list appears to be an indiscriminate collection of various American politicians accused of all kinds of things. It includes too many non-notable politicians, and easily acts as some sort of dart board. If a politician has committed some sort of crime reported in reliable sources, it should go on the article itself. Possibly worth an attempt to clean up, but WP:TNT it first if you shall. !dave 20:11, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as convictions are clearly sourced and dates are added, in brackets, as to when they were convicted. 82.132.187.183 (talk) 21:22, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep I quote from WP:LISTN - The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. Because the group or set is notable, Johnsagent (talk) 06:11, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per BLP (and TNT). Absent that, pair it down to only those cases which received national or international attention (so local sources, however reliable, are not enough this being BLP and all).Volunteer Marek (talk) 08:42, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per our BLP policy for public figures. Keeping information in pages for individual politicians, but not in the list does not really makes sense. Note that being convicted of a crime is a matter of fact, rather than a matter of judgement, so including someone in the list should not be a matter of dispute if reliably sourced. "List of African Americans convicted of crime" or "List of conservative politicians ..." would be more disputable as possibly "inherently POV" lists. But "List of journalists..." would arguably be OK. My very best wishes (talk) 16:33, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
KeepThe case for deletion is very weak, though the article might be tweaked, I am unconvinced it should be deleted. Caltropdefense (talk) 19:28, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep no convincing argument has been presented for deletion. Lepricavark (talk) 21:08, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Just seems to have the effect of disparaging people, and there is not a single link in the lede. So the group is itself someone's WP:OR, while WP:Verifiability#Exceptional claims require exceptional sources says that "Any exceptional claim requires multiple high-quality sources." So fails WP:LISTN exceptionally. Unscintillating (talk) 02:49, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is noting exceptional for an US politician to be convicted of crime, as this list shows. The convictions are usually reliably reported and can be easily verified. My very best wishes (talk) 03:17, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~Keep and expand into spinout articles- but I completely disagree with the reasoning in the nomination. Politicians (federal, state, local, or otherwise) should not be given a "right to be forgotten". If you decide to put yourself out there in public and run for office, you should have to deal with the consequences of your behavior. In the position of power they are in, they need to be held to a higher standard than everyone else. If for no other reason, they should not be forgotten in the event they ever even think of running for office again. That said, the reason I support deletion is because the list is not complete, nor can it possibly be without taking up a ridiculous amount of space. There are hundreds (actually more likely thousands) of other politicians who would qualify for inclusion in this list. Keeping an incomplete list gives WP:UNDUE weight to the people who were selected for inclusion.--Rusf10 (talk) 03:44, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The article can be spunout eithier by state or time period as per USER:Icewhiz below. That will address the issue of length and we can include all of the persons with articles who meet the criteria for inclusion which will avoid giving WP:UNDUE towards only the selected politicians (as is the problem now)--Rusf10 (talk) 17:31, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is no requirement for lists to be complete according to our guidelines - see here. Also, why do you think many more items should be included? "Likely thousands"? Any sources to justify such numbers? My very best wishes (talk) 05:16, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The list potentially could be completed, but its length would be too great. The sources are in the articles that already exist. I can think of several politicians that have been convicted of crimes but do not appear on the list (and that's just the ones I know of).--Rusf10 (talk) 05:44, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But perhaps the list is already nearly complete, or it can be easily completed. Why do you think this is not a case. Is any database of crimes by US politicians? If so, that could help to clarify the question. My very best wishes (talk) 05:51, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For example [31], that's just one state over a 13 year period and it only includes members of the state legislature. Now throw in some mayors, county executives, members of the cabinet, etc. (assuming they meet notability guidelines), multiply it out by 50 states and nearly 250 years, and you can easily end up with thousands.--Rusf10 (talk) 06:11, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

One needs a notability cutoff for including people in the list, for example we should have page about the included politicians. My very best wishes (talk) 16:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete. Honestly, I can't stress this enough. The page has 297,860 bytes in total of content. Who is going to manage that? Why should we continue spending editor time and effort to upkeep this potentially dangerous page. If you think it is important to keep track of notable politicians' crimes, then I encourage you to add to Category:American politicians convicted of crimes. Expanding that more streamlines maintenance tasks to individual BLP pages making reporting attacks easier. It currently is just really easy to edit in an unsubstantiated claim if done during the right time of day. Separately, it also is becomes hard to detect a user with bad intentions who includes an article citation that makes a politician look bad for a relatively minor crime (regardless of circumstance) by disguising it as during their time in office.

Further, Comment there are several entries in this list that use WP:BLPPRIMARY even as this is against wikipedia policy. I also encourage the reading of WP:PUBLICFIGURE.

Finally, I agree with nominator Sandstein 's reasonings and intentions behind citing the "right to be forgotten". It is a legal precedent that is very important to look at. As I have mentioned before, I am a local politician. Though I have not committed any crimes (that I am aware of 0.0), I do think I am deserving of the same respect, dignity, and privacy as any other person commenting. People talk a lot about holding elected officials accountable, but I do not think people understand what that should look like for Wikipedia. Well, the answer is simple. Politicians are accountable to whomever elected them. That means if you are from Cromwell, Connecticut, I have to serve you, but I am not under any obligation to any other individual for my time as a member of a local board in town. Local politicians are really not very special. They are actually low-profile (even state ones), and they don't need some (frankly shakily curated) centralized list of our their crimes out there when no WP:RS does the same. They deserve to have it included in their own article, along with whatever else they did for better or worse, to be judged by the reader and not us as editors. They don't deserve to have a single moment in their life define them for anybody. Politicians just want to serve the public/their community; that goes from Jack Abramoff to Jimmy Carter. Some make the wrong decisions, some are awesome and just so amaz-- woops got off track. Anyways, I mentioned before about the "right to be forgotten", well it might not exist now, but that doesn't mean we don't have anything close to it. The Wikimedia Terms of Service are pretty clear, "Certain activities, whether legal or illegal, may be harmful to other users and violate our rules, and some activities may also subject you to liability. Therefore, for your own protection and for that of other users, you may not engage in such activities on our sites. These activities include:

Violating the Privacy of Others

Infringing the privacy rights of others under the laws of the United States of America or other applicable laws (which may include the laws where you live or where you view or edit content);"

If you are curious about the subject, look into Privacy laws of the United States#Modern tort law because right there is, "Public disclosure of private facts: the dissemination of truthful private information which a reasonable person would find objectionable" Even if it inclusion on this list does not meet that standard, portraying them in violation of previously mentioned wikipedia policies that give list-included individuals WP:UNDUE weight against them is something that might be violating Wikimedia's ToS.

That, this, is not Wikipedia's purpose. We shouldn't centralize this type of list. It removes all context and makes every politician into a single event they must be noted by. It is a slippery slope that can just lead to a lot of trouble. That's how I see it, at least.

I am sorry, but "right to be forgotten" goes directly against the purpose of online encyclopedia. Saying that certain things need to be forgotten because they are "bad" or about influential people is WP:SOAP. My very best wishes (talk) 05:56, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Publicly elected officials are not private citizens and therefore, do not have the same level of privacy rights in the laws and norms of the United States. Sorry, but your private life is not private when you step into the public arena and you know this before you place yourself up for election. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 08:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The claim that the article is too long is an interesting one. However this may be easily remedied by splitting this article to a state by state basis if required (e.g. List of Nebraskan politicians convicted of crimes) or possibly by time period (as the article is presently organized). A category is unable to convey the same information conveyed in a list.Icewhiz (talk) 09:21, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, we could do it that way. I'm changing my vote.--Rusf10 (talk) 17:26, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'd agree with a seperate page for each state.Johnsagent (talk) 22:55, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Another possibility is to classify them based on the type of crime. See Category:American politicians convicted of corruption and other categories. Compare also with List of people accused of bribery in Russia (cases of two people on the top were actually fabricated)... My very best wishes (talk) 04:30, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment So far it is 22 in favour of keeping the article and 11 in favour of removing the article. Since the overwhelming majority support keeping this article can we not end this debate already? JimmyJoe87 (talk) 18:35, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That isn't how things work, and really, it seems to me that a lot of "keep" responses do not address many of Sandstein's objections. Mangoe (talk) 19:10, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for all the reasons above, and I think that Sandstein's objections have been covered quite well. We don't seem to like the idea of a 'right to privacy' in regards to crooked public politicians. And no, I don't think this article is too long, but I would support increasing this into 50 separate articles as mentioned and adding resignations to convictions as well.Wilmadon (talk) 20:12, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Wikipedia offers no "right to be forgotten". All of the state and local politicians listed here are included because they have been convicted of crimes, accompanied by the reliable and verifiable sources to back up the claims. Barring the ability to wipe these sources off the face of the Earth, the ability to support these claims will exist as infinitum.
From a matter of public policy, people hold elected officials up to a higher standard than they do gardeners or even journalists. No one claims that all politicians are crooks, but some are. The effort to liken this to "List of African Americans convicted of crime" is patently absurd.
The list *is* incomplete. Wikipedia is fine with that. California has 40 million residents and Los Angeles about 4 million; New York has about 20 million and New York City about 8.5 million. List of people from California and List of people from Los Angeles are both incomplete, falling far short of the list under consideration; same with List of people from New York (state) and List of people from New York City (though I will note that in both cases, the city articles counter-intuitively and against all logic have more entries than the state lists). There are far fewer politicians in the United States since its formation than the number of people in either city or state; the number of convicted state and local politicians is orders of magnitude smaller than the pool of people in any of these places and is unlikely to become unmanageable in the years ahead. Should this list get too large, creating sub-lists by state would be the method to follow, emulating the rather logical approach to explain why there is no List of people from the United States.
Per WP:LISTN, this is exactly the kind of topic that is appropriate for a standalone list and this search shows more than a handful of books devoted to the topic; similar searches of newspaper articles and scholarly works also turn up sources by the thousands.
Appeals to WP:NOT and WP:UNDUE are similarly specious. This is an article that needs to be retained and -- sadly -- expanded. Alansohn (talk) 20:59, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

B.L.U.E. Legend of Water[edit]

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Can't find sources for this game. Coin945 (talk) 11:43, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I also couldn't find much on it. GameRankings had nothing. Probably due to the game being released in Japan only, so may need some Japanese game experts to make sure there isn't much in english. - Japanese Wiki version also exists. Lee Vilenski(talk) 12:49, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Kitty: Happy Party Pals[edit]

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I believe this fails WP:GNG. Coin945 (talk) 11:29, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I could also not find much on this title. Lee Vilenski(talk) 12:55, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Prakash Nathan[edit]

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Non-notable Media professional fails WP:GNG. Written like a puff piece. Cant seem to find any reliable sources on the subject. FITINDIA 11:36, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I was just about to start nominating when you saved me the effort. The sources are either self-published, quotations in news articles, or press releases. I too couldn't find anything WP:RS. Fails WP:NBIO. Narky Blert (talk) 11:40, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: A biography with non-encyclopaedic promotional text and a history of WP:COI editing. If the considerable ballast of PRspeak was removed, little would remain but the career CV of a man with a job. Occasional in-role citations are mundane and do not establish encyclopaedic notability for the subject. AllyD (talk) 12:43, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The article is written more as a Resume/CV of the individual and a clear case of WP:SPIP and fails to establish any notability. Fails WP:BIO and WP:GNG Hagennos (talk) 05:37, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Trans-Dublin[edit]

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WP:OR . Can find no usage of this outside wiki Gnevin (talk) 11:11, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Per nom, the term "Trans-Dublin" doesn't seem to have any existence (and hence no coverage or RS) outside of Wikipedia. It would therefore seem to fail WP:GNG and WP:OR. Whatever content can be sourced could be readily merged to Dublin Suburban Rail or similar. Guliolopez (talk) 13:01, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete as Hoax ~~- Tagged as such - The whole system is called Dublin Area Rapid Transit~~ - There is no "Trans Dublin" and this proves it. It's a clever hoax but still a hoax nonetheless. –Davey2010^Talk 13:02, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also just to note DART themselves make no mention of this supposed name and yet they run services on it!. –Davey2010^Talk 13:08, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. However, I'm not sure "blatant/deliberate hoax" is fair. Over the years I have seen other articles of this type which were (at best) OR and CRYSTAL in tone. Perhaps, I expect, prompted by green optimism. Though, perhaps, not by deliberate deception. Whatever the motivation, this should be deleted. IMO.Guliolopez (talk) 13:48, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed in all fairness the article's been here since 2007 so maybe it's not deliberate, I wonder whether at the time of creation whether "Trans-Dublin" was a short lived unreported name .... Seems odd that there's a route map as well as it being listed in nav boxes .... If it was a hoax surely no one would've gone to those sort of lengths to hide it as a hoax ? .... Seems too much effort ?, Dunno but nothing on Google confirms this ever was a thing. –Davey2010^Talk 14:32, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete Original research. Optakeover^(U)(T)(C) 14:22, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 15:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

PTGui[edit]

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Written like an advertisement (violation of WP:NOTSOAP), does not have a single source and does not establish the notability.

I used Google Books to look into the two items listed in "Further reading" section. The subject of the article is briefly mentioned in page 76 of the first book and not mentioned in the second at all. In any case two sources are not "significant coverage", and while notability is required, it is not enough. WP:NOTSOAP is a fundamental policy; notability is just a guideline. Codename Lisa (talk) 11:06, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I added two articles in published magazines as basic references. There are probably more of this kind in photography related magazines (will look into these, but this will take some time). I also removed unsourced advert-like content. Pavlor (talk) 12:20, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The article needs improving, not deleting. It's a bit of a niche software but it's widely used by photographers who make panoramic images, so it's kind of notable, and at least as well known as Hugin (software). Depends who you ask, I suppose. I found several links to articles online: 1 2 3 4 5... nagualdesign 12:52, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - There is shallow coverage in a couple of books, newspapers, magazines and well-established blogs. The software has been around for quite a while in digital photography terms and is somewhat of a de facto standard for creating panoramic images. - MrX 13:25, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 15:48, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Vlada Borovko[edit]

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I prodded the article with the following rationale: "No indication of notability; sources are a bio from a creative agency, some other non-independent sources and a passing mention. Nothing better found via Google News." Philafrenzy de-prodded it and added another few passing mentions, performance reviews that devote maybe a single sentence to Borovko without covering her in any detail. Bringing it here for a community discussion. I don't think these additional references, or any further ones of the same kind that can be found, are helpful for establishing notability. Huon (talk) 10:49, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Borovko has sung Violetta in Traviata at Covent Garden, a lead role at one of the world's top houses. There is plenty of coverage of her work, but not all of it is English, such as the Oper Koln profile. And what about the full-length Royal Opera House interview? There is enough about her to meet WP:GNG. Edwardx (talk) 12:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Lead role at Covent Garden is enough for me. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 13:21, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep lead role at Covent Garden is enough to pass GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:31, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - can someone, maybe Joseph2302, please point out where WP:GNG says people are notable if they have sung a lead role at Covent Garden? The last time I checked, it spoke of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject", exactly the thing this article lacks (her getting interviewed by an organization employing her is not "independent of the subject"). Huon (talk) 20:56, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NACTOR might be a more appropriate policy to cite, "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions." The article notes Borovko's significant roles in Traviata, Norma and Oreste. Opera singers are actors too. Edwardx (talk) 11:36, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I cannot point to the policy asked for, but being called show stopping by The Guardian is good enough for me. Xxanthippe (talk) 11:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC).[reply]
Keep numerous independent RS in Russian, several of which I have added. SusunW (talk) 16:52, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Many other British newspapers have covered her performances in some detail. Not everything shows up on Google searches.--Ipigott (talk) 17:24, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Although Huon has a valid point; simply having sung a lead role in one single instance sounds almost like WP:BLP1E (which is what the lede/article sounds like right now); although I think there are many sources that will establish her notability. Perhaps we could clarify the lede to something like "she came to spotlight" with that performance, and will play another lead role of Musetta in the upcoming production of La bohème at the Royal Opera House? Alex Shih (talk) 13:26, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:53, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Council of Arabic Culture[edit]

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No significant coverage in RS. Existing is not notability. Saqib (talk) 10:53, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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A very small class of Pakistanis and Pakistani organizations gets significant coverage. Not getting significant coverage doesn't mean that they are not existing. --Ahmad.alhashimi (talk) 16:09, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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@Ahmad.alhashimi: If the organisation have no significant coverage in even Urdu language RS, then no matter organisation exist or not, it doesn't merit a standalone WP entry. --Saqib (talk) 16:15, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete for lack of WP:SIGCOV in reliable secondary sources. Does not meet WP:NORG and reads like a personal essay. No value to the project. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:31, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Uncontested. Sandstein 17:52, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Taman Sentosa[edit]

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No source and notability. angys (Talk Talk) 08:40, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:52, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Wyler[edit]

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Promotionally-toned article where only one of the current sources (the Columbus Dispatch article[32]) satisfies all three prongs of WP:GNG as significant, independent, and reliably-sourced. WP:BEFORE search finds many non-significant WP:ROUTINE articles about business transactions and other ordinary course-of-business articles. There are some other, non-significant (chiefly reaction quotes in articles about other subjects) sources but the Dispatch article is the one that is significantly about the subject. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:16, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Topics that get routine coverage in reliable sources satisfy GNG. WP:ROUTINE is an event guideline. Unscintillating (talk) 21:06, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment As the chairman of a major university's board of trustees, I suspect that he'll have gotten coverage from actual reliable sources; trustees are generally picked from among individuals who are already prominent, and scholars often produce significant research on administrators and board members. I'm only commenting because I can't prove that my assertions are true of Wyler, but I doubt that a detailed and careful search would conclude with a determination of non-notability. Nyttend (talk) 04:34, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete routine coverage also applies to people. The biographies of living people guidelines mean that we should have at least as strick guidelines for such people as for corporations. If Wyler was a corporation he would need meet notability guidelines, and nothing suggests he does as a person either.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:28, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I am new to editing and creating, etc. and tried to help here. Wyler has major coverage from many sources between being on the Board of Trustees, the Nascar team, and the Cincinatti Reds ownership. I guess I did not do a very good job of finding the best sources? I am looking for suggestions to source this properly so it is not deleted. I am trying to become a better editor. Thanks. Jrayewrites (talk) 02:33, 29 December 2017 (UTC)Jrayewrites[reply]
comment Being an MLB minority owner isn't grounds for notability nor is being a successful businessman. I don't see enough significant independent coverage to meet WP:GNG. Jrayewrites may be correct about more coverage being out there, so I'm holding off voting to delete to give this article a chance to be improved. Sandals1 (talk) 17:07, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Determination of notability includes all sources of evidence, not just citations in the article, see WP:ARTN and WP:NEXIST. Unscintillating (talk) 18:53, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Here is the source in WP:BEFORE D1 for Google newspapers:

"Writing on the wall for Reds' Schott". The Southeast Missourian. April 5, 1999. Retrieved 2018-01-01. The most intriguing addition to Cinergy Field on opening day was a[n]...ad on the outfield wall...the name of Jeff Wyler and a listing of his five auto dealerships.

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delete almost entirely local coverage of a successful businessman, and not particularly striking coverage at that. Mangoe (talk) 20:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- a CEO of a nn company is almost always a notability fail, and this subject misses the mark. The article is full of puffery, as in: "it has grown to one of the country's 35 largest private dealership groups employing over 1,500 people and retailing over 40,000"! Promotional 'cruft and reads like a tribute page. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:43, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:51, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

American Muslims Intent on Learning and Activism[edit]

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Absolutely lacking WP:SIGNIFICANCE. This trend that every other organization out there creates an article on Wikipedia is doing disservice to the site's objectives and community of readers. Article has only a single source from 2005, the organization has no functioning website and has ceased all activity for years now, no coverage, and should be removed. Shalom11111 (talk) 09:28, 3 January 2018 (UTC)\[reply]

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Delete Inadequate sourcing available to establish notability.104.163.153.162 (talk) 22:49, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- WP:ADVOCACY for a nn group; does not meet WP:NORG and significant RS coverage not found. Basically, org spam. K.e.coffman (talk) 23:35, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. (non-admin closure) Optakeover^(U)(T)(C) 16:00, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jocko Willink[edit]

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Fails WP:SOLDIER and I don't see anything else that would make him noteable Gbawden (talk) 09:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - SOLDIER is irrelevant here. There question is whether he meets GNG as an author (books by Willink, leadership consultant, and podcaster. He does have some coverage (over 200 google-news true hits (raw count is 2150)) - however the nature of leadership gurus of this type is that they generate coverage as part of the business.Icewhiz (talk) 09:49, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Jocko Willink was a Navy SEALS commander at the 2006 Battle of Ramadi, in charge of for example Michael Monsoor, and is a popular podcast host. It makes absolutely no sense to not have an article on this man. –Vami _IV✠ 15:54, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Jocko Willink has some notability and I feel that he meets both notability guidelines in both SOLDIER and GNG as an author. That merits an article on WP. JaxisMaximus (talk) 06:00, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Subject meets WP:GNG. If subjects meet GNG, he can get a Wikipedia entry, irregardless if he meets WP:SOLDIER or not, even if he was a member of the armed forces. Google news reports 3,250 results. Here's some entries I found: http://www.businessinsider.com/new-years-resolutions-jocko-willink-2018-1 , http://www.businessinsider.com/former-navy-seal-jocko-willink-daily-routines-to-change-your-life-2017-11 , https://www.forbes.com/sites/danschawbel/2017/10/17/jocko-willink-the-relationship-between-discipline-and-freedom/#2b0dd3926df8 , and http://www.silive.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/10/navy_seal_turned_self-help_guru_to_visit_staten_island.html . All publications are notable and the articles are about him, himself and not simple quotes or mentions. This was only a quick review but its quite clear to me the subject is notable. The first edit in the history, by User:Tparameter, says "Jocko Willink is a repeat guest on Fox News segments related to terrorism, combat operations, etc." I don't know how true that is (don't watch the news) but it does add to his notability. CerealKillerYum (talk) 11:05, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Although he doesn't meet any of the possible SNGs, there is sufficient coverage to show WP:GNG is met and that is all that's necessary. Papaursa (talk) 00:52, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep, thanks to some fast work on sources. Guy (Help!) 14:41, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lucinda Collins[edit]

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All the sourced statements in this article are tagged as failing verification. That's a bit of a problem. Academic musicians will often not get anything like the attention more active performers do (I know: I have struggled to source articles on very well known academics). Guy (Help!) 08:56, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I have worked on some refs, I have added content and refs, some tidying up. The subject is notable per WP:MUSICBIO.–shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:01, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I agree with Shaidar cuebiyar. I also found a small mention of her skills as a pianist in The Age for her performance with a famous violinist which I added. She passes MUSICBIO. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:38, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: now seems well sourced and notable. PamD 12:25, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Consensus was for Keep. (non-admin closure) Optakeover^(U)(T)(C) 15:53, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

London Buses route 176[edit]

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Appears to be a run of the mill bus route, with no significant sources added to prove prominence. No real claims to fame for this one... Nightfury 08:34, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete nothing special about this one Jeni ^(talk) 13:24, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as User:DGG said, generally speaking bus routes are significant, permanent parts of cities, which tend to be consistent and not often changed. London bus routes are well discussed in a variety of books; and normally individual bus routes are discussed in local papers etc. when there are major changes as can be seen in the revision of the article I have linked to. This particular bus route has been around since 1951, and here's an ITV news source, for example (and I'm sure User:Andrew Davidson will know of more).

As an additional note, this trickle of nominations of bus routes is annoying; at the last AfD, Nightfury was advised to start a discussion on the notability of these bus routes at the active Wikiproject: Wikipedia:WikiProject London Transport. I see no evidence that they have done so; instead they seem to be continuing with this piecemeal nomination of bus routes for deletion. jcc (tea and biscuits) 14:41, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. asI have said at other such AfDs. I do not know the procedure in London, but in NYC the procedure for changing a bus route is a major decision, and generally gets significantly wide local coverage. Almost all of them have been stable for many decades now. (stable to the extent that there's now a significant issue whether the pattern is completely obsolete in view of the wider distribution of work locations. And doing one at a time without a general discussion is going to result in a totally erratic result. DGG ( talk ) 15:33, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per jcc. XOR'easter (talk) 18:27, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per all above. Having lived in London, I know 176 is one of the major ones which includes roads such as Charing Cross Road, Waterloo Road and Strand. --Oakshade (talk) 04:04, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of bus routes in London, for now (as has happened to dozens of other routes' articles over time). Whether or not this bus route is notable there are no sufficient sources as the article stands to validate this. Ajf773 (talk) 00:40, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural Keep per jcc; do an RfC on merging these somewhere other than AfD. power~enwiki (π, ν) 00:34, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Not this again......Class455 (talk|stand clear of the doors!) 15:47, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 15:56, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dianne Herrin[edit]

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As far as I see the only claim of notability is that she is a mayor of a town with the population of 18K. It does not seem to be sufficient to keep the article. Ymblanter (talk) 08:25, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, fails WP:POLITICIAN. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:52, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Do Not Delete, Dianne Herrin is the mayor of West Chester, PA, the county seat of Chester County, PA, and is also an inventor with a patent. I believe there is sufficient sources to support that Dianne Herrin is a person of note. Florgio (talk) 08:08, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Having invented something with a patent on it is not an automatic notability freebie on Wikipedia, if your only source for the fact is a WP:ROUTINE listing in a patents database. It becomes notability only if and when media are writing and publishing content about her and her invention, and not before. Bearcat (talk) 04:32, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment, hi Florgio, mayors like Herrin are usually found not to be notable, she needs something else (and more than the patent), cheers. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:24, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Neither being a smalltown mayor nor having invented something is an automatic notability freebie in the absence of much stronger reliable source coverage about those things than this article shows any evidence of — three of the seven footnotes here are unnecessary repetitions of the same primary source (her own campaign website) that cannot support notability, the invention is sourced to a patents database rather than media coverage, and the media coverage of her mayoralty consists of the election results themselves and her initial swearing-in as mayor — but to consider a mayor notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia, what we need is substantive career coverage of stuff she actually did in the mayor's chair, not just the election results tables themselves. Bearcat (talk) 04:32, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete being the mayor of a county seat is not a claim to notability. I'd be surprised if we have any articles on any mayors of Mount Clemens, Michigan. We lack enough sources of coverage to show she is notable as a mayor. The patent claim is even less a sign of notability. My father has about 20 patents, and is no where close to being notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:31, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:51, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Komax Holding[edit]

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Non-notable company, fails WP:CORP. Promotional article by paid editor, not suitable for inclusion. PROD removed by sockpuppet of article creator. Yunshui ^雲 _水 08:20, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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delete lacks sufficient RS coverage to meet inclusion guidelines. Artspam. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 18:17, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. J04n(talk page) 15:55, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Tittle[edit]

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WP:BLP1E. A few books, mostly self-published, and an academic position that falls well below WP:PROF. Guy (Help!) 08:16, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete' per nom: no evidence that Mr Tittle meets Wikipedia's notability standards at present Nick-D (talk) 07:03, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. His military and academic careers were clearly non-notable. As for his ministry, there may be some notability for the NZ marriage, but that fails WP:BIO1E, because otherwise ordinary congregation-level ministers are not usually notable and we have nothing else that stands out. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:44, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. WP:SKCRIT#1 (nominator withdrawal). I !voted, but since this is merely a procedural close, invoke WP:IAR, as, after all, the discussion itself isn't closed, just moving to either the article talk page or at WP:RM, per process. (non-admin closure) >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 15:49, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Program on Forests[edit]

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Article fails GNG. Chetsford (talk) 04:31, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey! I haven't had time to do much work on this one, and I won't work too hard on it if the community decides to delete/merge. switchintoglide (talk)

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Keep A basic WP:BEFORE search would have suggested to the nom that the subject was notable (plenty of coverage- both in-depth and persistent- in reliable, independent sources, as well as in the relevant literature). Indeed, as a World Bank program, it would perhaps be odd if it was not. Yes the article could do with tidying up (and doubtless undergoing expansion, as there is clearly much more to be said on the subject), but WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 13:33, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to World Bank (striking nom and proposing Merge; the depth of coverage is not enough to pass WP:CORPDEPTH and support a standalone article - news articles primarily simply acknowledge the program existst) Chetsford (talk) 02:18, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Top-level domain#Proposed domains. Merging from history remains possible. Sandstein 17:51, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

.movie[edit]

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I fail to see why this proposed TLD is an encyclopaedic thing.Nothing in RS other than trivial name-mentions/listings.Our purpose differs from their purpose.A redirect may be warranted. Winged Blades^Godric 05:46, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Proposed top-level domain that's the right place where it suppose to exist already. Not notable enough for standalone page, but the content is worth keeping per WP:PRESERVE–Ammarpad (talk) 10:07, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm..Good idea but that article is too poorly written and IMO, could itself be succinctly merged into TLD itself:)Winged Blades^Godric 11:12, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Winged Blades of Godric You're right, I didn't say it is in good shape and merger process is already for merging the mergeable and redacting the the rest. I must say you could have boldly done this (merge/redirect) without AfD, since you didn't confidently believe it should be deleted right from the beginning. Ammarpad (talk) 11:42, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Ammarpad:--AFDs are very helpful, in case you have doubts whether the post-merge redirect will stay.I'm near certain that the creator is an UPE.Notice the creations of 4 redirects to a part. company, out of wjhich one has been developed into a full-blown article by an IP, thus evading ACTRIAL while supposedly evading extra-scrutiny on the user-account.Winged Blades^Godric 11:47, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @WBG:, I don't how I didn't get this ping, so just seeing it now after relist. Yes, you're right, I actually know that problem and I even recently !voted to oppose redirect (favoring redirect creation with one revision, if necessary and requesting its protection). But I usually do that for pages with no chance of gaining notability on their own right in the offing. That lead us to the slight difference with this, since it is verifiable proposed tech term which once adopted will possibly receive significant coverage to merit standalone page. I agree with your UPE concern also, and like to say watching redirects pages often deal with that. I have many redirects on my Watchlist and reverted such actions on many occasions –Ammarpad (talk) 08:42, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge all verifiable information and useful references into "Top-level domain". ---Steve Quinn (talk) 07:39, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Top-level domain#Proposed domains. I don't believe there's anything here worth merging. The two independent sources in this article just list this proposed TLD in a list of a whole bunch of proposed TLDs some company is asking for and don't draw any attention to it in particular. Egsan Bacon (talk) 16:44, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Starship Technologies. MBisanz ^talk 02:16, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Team Kuukulgur[edit]

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Queried speedy delete Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:20, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Notability: Got Technology Achievement Award (sponsored by NASA, handed over by WPI). Second, this team formed base for notable startup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Technologies These robots/team were also noted in credible sources like https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-robots/fetch-robot-retrievers-compete-in-1-5-million-nasa-contest-idUSBRE95419T20130605 https://images.nasa.gov/details-201406140012HQ.html https://images.nasa.gov/details-201406110011HQ.html Tõnu Samuel (talk) 06:37, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Starship Technologies. The team doesn't seem to have significant coverage by itself. --Ahecht (TALK
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Delete. I do not see any third party source for the relationship to Starship Technologies, & I cannot determine the significance of the award. DGG ( talk ) 00:40, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Promotional, sources do not establish notability. Sandstein 17:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Starship Technologies. Plausible search term. PhilKnight (talk) 02:05, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:47, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So Far (interactive fiction)[edit]

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It has a XYZZY Award, sure, but looking at that article I'm suspicious of those awards being notable in their own right. Needless to say, nothing much comes up about this game. Coin945 (talk) 12:17, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Won a notable award. Which is depicted in the article. What else? (Apart from actually writing the article - plot, game principle, etc.) Notability is not an issue. Kind regards, Grueslayer 23:11, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Although it is notable on the basis of the XYZZY Award, the only content that is not already also in the article about the creator is the Em Short review, and that could also be linked from the creator's page.Tacyarg (talk) 23:26, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

... and the citation to Twisty Little Passages which I have just added.Tacyarg (talk) 23:29, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, at least in terms of it being a video game, it's got zero mentions anywhere. But, it's an interactive story, so it may have information elsewhere. Lee Vilenski(talk) 12:39, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Killiondude (talk) 07:06, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Panos Mouzourakis[edit]

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Delete a non-notable actor.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:09, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I'm finding oodles of very substantial coverage of this Greek music, movie and television star. I don't understand why subject is nominated for deletion. FloridaArmy (talk) 08:19, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. No argument advanced for deletion. This guy has released two albums on a Warners label, is a judge on the Greek version of The Voice, and there's plenty of Greek coverage. --Michig (talk) 07:25, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:05, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Horus Entertainment[edit]

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Delete Run-of-the-mill games company, references fail the criteria for establishing notabiltiy or only discuss the products and not the company. Fails WP:NCORP. -- HighKing⁺⁺ 20:51, 27 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment a google news search shows a number of Vietnamese-language articles on various sites, of which I can neither translate nor judge reliability of those sources. We may need input from editors fluent in the language here to judge. --Masem (t) 15:17, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -- does not meet WP:NCORP / WP:CORPDEPTH. Just promo 'cruft on a nn business; notice the multitude of external links in the body, a hallmark of such promotional articles. K.e.coffman (talk) 22:26, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. This meets the notability criteria for notability {media). Please see AfD discussion (non-admin closure) Steve Quinn (talk) 19:43, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Zee Yuva[edit]

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The topic - "Zee Yuva" - is a satellite television channel. No independent reliable sources discuss this topic directly and in detail fails WP:N. Tagged for paid editing. Wikipedia is not a platform for advertising per WP:PROMO. First two references are unabashedly named TV Guides. The third reference is spam for a satellite TV company (updated URL based on title of reference is here). The other references list TV series showing on this TV channel (which is the topic). Wikipedia is not a TV Guide WP:ISNOT ---Steve Quinn (talk) 06:28, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Steve, per WP:Notability (media), regional cable channels are generally retained on Wikipedia. I've also seen some sources like this one and this (I used Google Translate for the second one). What do you think? Thanks, Lourdes 16:17, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Lourdes: I see that you are correct about regional cable channels. It seems this topic was notable to begin with. ~~However~~ Also, with the addition of one or both sources, this topic also meets the notability criteria for television stations (per consensus). Thanks for pointing this out. I wish I had thought of checking WP:Notability (media) sooner. I know that criteria is there, I just didn't think of it. I am going to close this as non-admin close - speedy keep. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 19:39, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was No consensus (NPASR). While I am unconvinced the sources listed and suggested currently satisfy WP:GNG or WP:NMUSICIAN, I am going ahead to close this discussion as No consensus with no prejudice against speedy renomination. (non-admin closure) Optakeover^(U)(T)(C) 15:40, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ann Beretta[edit]

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A music band and their albums. No indication of notability per WP:GNG, no references to any coverage in reliable sources. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Other Side of the Coin where one of their albums was already deleted. Sandstein 10:33, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment No sources cited in the article are a problem, but I found some minor punk-scene coverage/reviews and local press. Might be more press that's not searchable on the internet. I may have some in my old files (full disclosure: This was a band my company did business with back in the day) but not sure if I have the time or inclination to root around for it during this busy holiday season. ShelbyMarion (talk) 13:59, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the band, "Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable)." No opinion on the album articles. Geschichte (talk) 19:39, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep the band article. Multiple coverage in sources we've generally recognized for band notability such as PopMatters [33][34][35], PunkNews.org [36], Austin Chronicle [37]. The band seems to have achieved a lasting notability beyond its local fame in Richmond, and enough coverage to support an article. If the album articles don't turn up enough sources, they should be redirected to the band article rather than deleted. --Arxiloxos (talk) 06:58, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:03, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Whaley Australia[edit]

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Fails WP:COMPANY. Significant coverage not found. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 05:59, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Even the sources mentioned in the article don't contain the company's name. I couldn't find any other reliable source covering the company significantly. Fails GNG/ORG. Lourdes 15:42, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, spammy article for a subject not widely covered by anyone not financially connected to it. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 02:38, 6 January 2018 (UTC).[reply]
Delete Small firm which apparently hasn't yet released anything. Article seems promotional. 06:44, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Delete Corporate spam, no indications of notability, fails GNG. HighKing⁺⁺ 14:45, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Wikt:bad egg. While this article itself has not appear to pass GNG and lacks sources, it could be a viable search term for wikt:bad egg. I would be open to the redirect being reverted (soft redirect) if reliable sourcing can be provided/found in order to satisfactorily prove its notability. (non-admin closure) TheSandDoctor (talk) 16:35, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bad egg[edit]

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Not verifiable; I find a cito-genesis middle-school student paper, and a Google Book result [38] about a game of this name with entirely different rules. The primary topic here is probably rotten egg. power~enwiki (π, ν) 05:03, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Agreed. No reliable sources available for the children's game. More sources available for bad eggs in Pokemon. Fails WP:GNG. Perhaps a soft Redirect to wikt:bad egg could work here? Lourdes 15:38, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Logan Paul#Suicide video controversy. Clear consensus to not keep. No consensus between merge, redirect and delete. Redirect is the most consensual outcome because it allows merging from history to the extent consensus supports it. Sandstein 17:45, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Logan Paul suicide controversy[edit]

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Copy of a section in an existing article. I boldly redirect, but it was reverted. I think it actually might be better to delete the article now rather than redirecting because the title is arguably a BLP violation, and the content is already present at the parent article so there is no need to preserve the history. Wouldn't oppose a redirect, though, just think there might be reasons to delete in this case. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:40, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and redirect to Logan Paul You were right in being bold. The event is clearly not notable. Arguably speedy delete via A7. Acebulf (talk) 05:36, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Logan Paul#Incident in Japan and Delete. I don't see the need for a redirect, as people searching for "Logan Paul suicide controversy" will find the "Logan Paul" article. GoingBatty (talk) 18:50, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note The article has since been moved to Logan Paul suicide video controversy. Everymorning (talk) 22:27, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and redirect to Logan Paul - Page shouldn't have been moved while AfD is in progress, but the name doesn't matter; this just isn't notable enough to warant its own article. Would agree with speedy delete via A7, even. Shelbystripes (talk) 23:34, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't know if this is quite at the A7 level, but this is a WP:NOTNEWS and WP:RECENTISM problem. We have an article for Paul, and coverage of this is entirely about Paul, so this should be covered there. If this gains WP:SUSTAINED coverage, we can reassess at that time. I do not see any reason to assume that will happen, however. Grayfell (talk) 01:11, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Snow delete: This is undoubtedly worth a subsection, but unless this blows up tremendously, a whole separate article is unneeded. Sock (~~tock~~ talk) 02:34, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Already covered in Logan Paul. TheDeviantPro (talk) 03:45, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A controversy from 1 video that was up for only 1 day isn't enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. There's enough information in Logan Paul, anyway. Codyorb (talk) 04:14, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect - the content should be added to the main article. Similar to how Donald Trump's food habits aren't worthy of a standalone article, this controversy is not sufficiently permanent to warrant it's own article. If this does result in some permanent changes to youtube, however, I suggest that we can revisit this issue in the future.BrxBrx(talk)^{(please reply with { {re|BrxBrx}})} 05:07, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No reason for a redirect. Nihlus 10:22, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Logan Paul#Incident in Japan and Delete Per WP:RECENT SpanishSnake (talk) 17:16, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note on merging: there is nothing to merge here as it was copied in it's entirety from the main article. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:17, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete already covered on the guy's article. Callmemirela 🍁 ^talk 18:51, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Logan_Paul#Suicide_video_controversy as a helpful and plausible search term and tag as {{R from subtopic}}. People will see this in the search bar, and will not have to scroll down from the main Logan Paul article. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 20:52, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Logan_Paul#Suicide_video_controversy - per BrxBrx and Patar Knight. Probably isn't a notable event (yet) but a plausible search term that is related to the Logan Paul article. If there is more coverage in the future I might change my !vote. Inter&anthro (talk) 22:34, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - already covered in the main article. Not enough content, or evidence of lasting notability, to justify a separate article. Robofish (talk) 22:51, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge all content with Logan_Paul#Suicide_video_controversy. This is a flash-in-the-pan controversy which doesn't require a specific article other than mentions in the article subject's page. Optakeover^(U)(T)(C) 14:25, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Logan Paul. This is a clear example of a news spike. I think it's pretty clear that this particular controversy will not be historically significant in the future. It can be comfortably covered in the existing article about Paul. Eventhorizon51 ^(talk) 14:49, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and delete, although considering most of the information is now in the Logan Paul article I'm teetering towards speedy delete. J.M.Ike (talk) 22:41, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete , not worth a standalone article. 01:48, 6 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Romeowth (talk • contribs)
Delete then redirect to Logan_Paul#Suicide_video_controversy. Plausible search term but the article is verging on BLP issues. WP:NOTNEWS. Anarchyte (work | talk) 01:59, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Logan_Paul#Suicide_video_controversy. A size or content split is not justified. See WP:SPLIT. Waters.Justin (talk) 03:16, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Logan Paul#Suicide video controversy. Nothing significant enough to warrant a separate article. Adamtt9 (talk) 05:01, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Logan Paul#Suicide video controversy per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:SPLIT. Not every single controversy needs to have its own article, and this is a pretty good example of one that doesn't. All of this can fit easily on the main Logan Paul page. Merging is not needed considering everything that can and should be merged has already been done. SkyWarrior 05:59, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete making a separate article for this was a waste of time in the first place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.95.65.252 (talk) 19:44, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a controversy about a YouTube video that was posted for 1 day is not notable enough for a standalone article Talagan (talk) 11:58, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect just a brief localized internet outrage, no way worth its own article. Juxlos (talk) 12:43, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and Redirect to Logan Paul#Suicide video controversy - The content is already at Logan Paul#Suicide video controversy so there's no need for a seperate article. –Davey2010^Talk 17:39, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Note and unconfident keep: I disagree. Significant news coverage features this controversy. Some of the most famous people have addressed the issue. Lawsuits, petitions... it's pretty big. Over 30 million have been involved, and that's just in terms of YouTube views. -- AlexanderHovanec (talk) 21:21, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"YouTube views" is not a good way to show how something is notable or not. Neither are petitions. The lawsuit isn't directly related to the controversy and should go be the main Paul page anyways. As for the rest, well, Wikipedia is not a newspaper. SkyWarrior 21:33, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect - The article was created immediately after the incident. Unless more news regarding Logan Paul's video comes out later in the year (which is unlikely), an article regarding the controversy is useless. Most YouTube drama, including the React World controversy and the PewDiePie's livestream racial slur, does not have their own articles. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 04:26, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the article I believe this is notable. Although it is considered YouTube drama, I believe it is much more notable than other drama. I understand that views on YouTube are generally not a good way of determining notability, however this drama received millions of views. I believe that millions of views show that it is an important topic and therefore notable enough to have a Wikipedia page. Even if the millions of views it got on youtube isn't anything to show notability, it was significantly covered in the news. I know that Wikipedia is not meant to have news, but I think this incident is significant as it has significantly damaged Logan Paul's Reputation. I think that this controversy was significant and deserves its own article. 1 Great Username (talk) 17:15, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I doubt that it "significantly" damaged Logan Paul's reputation. In fact, Logan Paul didn't have a net loss of his subscribers, according to Social Blade. In fact, Logan Paul actually gained subscribers, according to an article by Metro. At this rate, it is not likely that the incident would be remembered by the end of this month. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 20:33, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is an unnecessary spinout article, just because it got coverage by the media doesn't mean it should have it's own article. The article isn't that big and is mostly covered in the Logan Paul article anyways. PewDiePie's anti-Semitic controversy doesn't have a article and that got a lot coverage by the media. Wikipedia isn't a newspaper. TheDeviantPro (talk) 02:03, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Reply Yoshiman6464, at this point you are likely correct. However I just want to point out that YouTube users rarely lose subscribers. Sometimes incidents like this only promote someone on YouTube. It is also a factor that Logan Paul has a younger target demographic, while I both have little or no proof of this, and it likely isn't much of a factor I believe it is still a consideration. Fanatics are more common in younger viewers. I believe that Younger Audiences are more likely to be fanatic about an idea or person. Logan Paul's video showing him at VidCon has the people aroung him appearing to be younger. I know my argument is weak, but I just wanted to point something out about Logan Paul's demographic. 1 Great Username (talk) 02:24, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am aware that his fanbase is very young. Yoshiman6464 ^♫🥚 04:33, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the article i would say this deserves to stay, its a noteworthy event. maybe flesh it out a little more tho 60.229.149.32 (talk) 11:57, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and merge to Logan Paul, since I doubt the article will have enough content to justify its size when a proper parent article exists. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 22:39, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and redirect to Logan Paul It's a sparse article which can be covered in more detail on the Logan Paul page. 73.96.114.212 (talk) 08:18, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:03, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lou Cutell[edit]

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When an article mentions one espisode roles in a TV show, that is pretty much screaming that the subject is not notable. IMDb is not a reliable source. I am not sure about the other source, but since it seeks to be a comprehensive listing of everything, while Wikipedia is an encyclopedia limiting coverage to notable things, it is nota good source to show notability. John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:23, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -- does not meet WP:NACTOR & significant RS coverage not found. The article is mostly unsourced; not a value to the project. Wikipedia is not IMDB. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:34, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:02, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of instrumental albums recorded with two the same instruments: two clarinets, two cellos, two violins, two pianos, two oboes, two bassoons, two horns …[edit]

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Non-encyclopedic cross-categorization created by an account whose only purpose seems to be creating overly detailed articles relating to Tale Ognenovski and Stevan Ognenovski. Violates WP:NOTDIR and WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Contested prod. Υπογράφω (talk) 03:54, 3 January 2018 (UTC) Υπογράφω (talk) 03:54, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete overly long name, with no good reason for this specific list. Beyond that, it should say "with two of the same instrucments".John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:28, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete Random and indiscriminate collection of items based on weird criteria. It is tagged as A11 and I think that's valid speedy material. –Ammarpad (talk) 08:19, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - this entry or something similar to it was contested as an article for deletion towards the end of last year (2017), and I am pretty sure that the result was that it got deleted. Vorbee (talk) 09:01, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's this one. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 12:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per all the above. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 12:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom – Ianblair23 (talk) 03:26, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per everyone. WP:LISTCRUFT at its very finest. Ajf773 (talk) 03:44, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as noted by both the nominator of this AfD and by Power~enwiki in the previous similar AfD, the creator of these articles seems to be purely pushing the works of Tale Ognenovski. Fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE, cannot possibly be linked to any independent sources for verifiability other than Amazon, iTunes or other sales websites, and is far from complete... what about all the albums recorded by two guitarists, for example? Richard3120 (talk) 19:59, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete WP:G4; I can't see the other page but it was also a largely-incomplete list intended to promote Tale Ognenovski and Stevan Ognenovski. Warn 5excellent that further creations of this type will result in him being blocked for disruption. power~enwiki (π, ν) 00:42, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Excelse (talk) 05:25, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Consensus is article satisfies WP:GNG with news sources included, and that mentions in sources pushes the subject beyond what would be determined as "trivial". (non-admin closure) Optakeover^(U)(T)(C) 15:25, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nicholas R. Amato[edit]

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Taking to afd at the request of USER:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (I had the article WP:PROD before. He has added some sources to the article as they were almost non-existent before. However, I still believe this fails WP:POLITICIAN as county executives are not automatically notable. Sources are his biography at a law firm he works for, couple election articles that cover his opponent more than him, couple articles about a lawsuit against him by some disgruntled former county employees, an op-ed he wrote (that one would be primary), an article about some possible legislation affecting casinos owners in Atlantic City that has a single quote from him, and an article about him resigning from his position representing Resorts International. The common theme of these sources is that they all are very routine. Rusf10 (talk) 03:31, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding, "I still believe this fails WP:POLITICIAN...", the lede of WP:N shows that WP:Notability (people) and WP:GNG are alternative paths of equal standing in determining Wikipedia's notability. WP:POLITICIAN is a part of WP:Notability (people). Unscintillating (talk) 18:41, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I see enough information from reliable sources for a full biographical article per GNG. An opinion piece in the New York Times is not primary, it is not independent of him, just as an autobiography would not be independent of him. You have confused primary and independent sources before. However, not everyone is selected to write opinion pieces for the New York Times, adding to his notability. Also, as a reminder, you are supposed to be looking for sourcing WP:before you nominate, as you have been reminded multiple times. --RAN (talk) 03:36, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Primary/not-independent, whatever you want to call it, it does not help establish notability. An NYT op-ed does not give someone notability. Remember anyone can submit an op-ed to the New York Times. Sure your chances of getting it published are better if you are well-known. However, there have also been some op-eds by relatively unknown people.--Rusf10 (talk) 04:17, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Anybody can submit their own name to win a Nobel Prize, but only notable people win one. I did not argue it gives him notability, I said it added to his notability. --RAN (talk) 04:27, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong delete Amato was in the local distribution area of the NYT, so coverage of him is an example of local coverage. Nothing shows that he rises to the level of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody is making the claim that he derives his notability solely from the NYT. He gets it by fulfilling WP:GNG. If you think the New York Times is unreliable for notability for people that live within the New York Metropolitan area, please start a thread at the Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. --RAN (talk) 14:10, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Credible claim of notability as the directly elected county executive of a county which had 850,000 residents -- 50% more than the number represented by a congressman and four times that of a state senator or member of the assembly -- with the reliable and verifiable sources needed to establish the claim. While the nominator has apparently made a superficial attempt to read the article, WP:BEFORE mandates a far more thorough review of potential sources available outside of the article that might establish notability, a step that the nominator has failed to perform. Per WP:BEFORE, "A. Read and understand these policies and guidelines; B. Carry out these checks; C. Consider whether the article could be improved rather than deleted; and, D. Search for additional sources, if the main concern is notability" It seems that all four mandated steps have not been followed here. Alansohn (talk) 12:35, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"While the nominator has apparently made a superficial attempt to read the article" I guess that was meant to insult me, but lol, where do you come up with this stuff? Do you even take yourself seriously?--Rusf10 (talk) 02:47, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

With the close of your mass weather nominations, you are currently under 50% on your selections for deletion, so maybe you should listen to someone who has good advice for you. Unscintillating (talk) 04:04, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Someone is keeping score, I'm not. However, I'm fairly certain your statistic is made up. But let's try to keep the discussion relevant for a change.--Rusf10 (talk) 06:56, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Who is "us"? How was your "lol" relevant? Unscintillating (talk) 11:44, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep passes WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. The NYT of this timeperiod only has about 5 obits per day so is selective on a national basis and is not local and not routine coverage Atlantic306 (talk) 16:05, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As per the nomination, there are very routine sources that cover the topic. There is no difference between "very routine sources" and "sources", since we are talking about sources with in-depth coverage, such as the NYT source that states that the topic, "has been the only County Executive since the form of government was changed in 1978." GNG. Unscintillating (talk) 18:41, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there is a difference, WP:BIO "trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability"--Rusf10 (talk) 06:56, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No one knows what you mean by trivial coverage here. In fact, the context makes it appear that you are claiming that "has been the only County Executive since the form of government was changed in 1978" is an example of trivial coverage. Suffice it to say that "trivial coverage" is a low bar such as someone's name appearing in a telephone book. Unscintillating (talk) 13:47, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Allusions to WP:LOCAL to dismiss otherwise-WP:RS is not conforming to that essay, and dismissing the New York Times's coverage as "local" is rather provincial in attitude. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:23, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's a strawman's argument, no one mentioned WP:LOCAL, that's about places not people.--Rusf10 (talk) 06:56, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You've apparently missed the statement above "...coverage of him is an example of local coverage..." which is an allusion to WP:LOCAL. You're absolutely correct that said essay is about places and therefore attempting to explain away WP:GNG coverage is incorrect. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 12:57, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was talking about routine local news coverage of a person. WP:GNG talks about "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." That is what I was alluding to, he gets trivial mentions in most of the sources. Just because I used the word "local", it doesn't mean that it has anything to do with WP:LOCAL, so don't bring something irrelevant into the discussion.--Rusf10 (talk) 21:28, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You aren't the only person in this discussion and the statement you object to had nothing to do with anything you said. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:01, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You're actually right, I didn't use the word local (and I thought I had), but I still don't see how the mere mention of the word local alludes to WP:LOCAL.--Rusf10 (talk) 22:07, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 07:01, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Kholisa Skweyiya[edit]

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Non-notable blogger. All the Gnews hits are things he has published himself. None of the references in the article either establish notability. There is simply not enough commentary on his work in reliable sources independent of himself for him to meet our inclusion criteria. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:14, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable blogger.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:11, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Definitely non-notable blogger. Qaei ☎ 10:06, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 02:54, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Herbert H. Kiehn Jr.[edit]

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Here we have a small town mayor, that fails WP:POLITICIAN. Not only that, but its sourcing is so poor that it can't possibly meet WP:BLP Here's what we have for sources: 1. his mother's obituary 2. A link to a site that has election results, not for him, but for his father (not that it even matters because that site is not a reliable source) 3. A link to notes from a town council meeting- that link is no longer active, so I'm not sure exactly what was there, but regardless its a primary source.

WP:PROD was "denied" by USER:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) for unknown reasons. Rusf10 (talk) 03:09, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. No verifiability, not even WP:Notability. --Treetear (talk) 03:52, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Wikipedia is not meant to be a comprehensive database of every mayor of every incorporated place in New Jersey. That is about the only level that could justify having an article on this individual.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:13, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As the article stands the notability standard is not met and Google isn't helping so far, especially in the shadow of his genuinely notable father. I am open to seeing sources added -- and will attempt to do so myself -- and changing my mind regarding notability but the 1970s can pose a challenge to find contemporaneous sources. Alansohn (talk) 17:05, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I am not seeing reference material for this person, and everything we need to know can be found in his Wikidata entry. --RAN (talk) 18:57, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails GNG Chetsford (talk) 05:35, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 02:53, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

International Food Waste Coalition[edit]

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No evidence of in-depth, independent coverage satisfying WP:ORGDEPTH, WP:ORGIND. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:38, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Given that this coalition has been founded by top notch companies, I actually would have expected reliable sources to be covering it significantly. I've found many significant mentions, but all of them seem to be in websites puffed up and set up for PR. The one Financial Times sources I found turned out to be a letter to the editor. The lack of sources ensures that the article does not meet WP:GNG. Lourdes 15:19, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 02:51, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fueling American Jobs Coalition[edit]

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No evidence of in-depth independent coverage satisfying WP:ORGDEPTH. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:21, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The coalition has mentions in many reliable sources; Reuters, Washington Post et al. But all of them are insignificant mentions, and do not support the minimum WP:GNG or WP:ORG threshold right now. I suspect that the coalition will soon get noticed and have significant coverage. But currently it doesn't have the required coverage depth in available sources. Lourdes 15:01, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete WP:CSD#G6. ansh 666 05:05, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Entertainment (Waterparks album)[edit]

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to move Draft:Entertainment (Waterparks album) into the mainspace through AfC –Sb 2001 02:20, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You wish the redirect to be deleted so the AfC can take the same title? L3X1 Happy2018! (distænt write) 02:59, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I do, indeed. I am sure there is an easier way of doing it than this, but I am not aware of it. –Sb 2001 03:05, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 02:52, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Path Solutions[edit]

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References provided are either mentions-in-passing (fails WP:CORPDEPTH) or rely almost exclusively on company produced material and/or quotations (fails WP:CORPDEPTH and/or WP:ORGIND). Lack of WP:SIGCOV. Promotional article, created by a WP:SPA. Article has already been deleted, in August 2017. Delete and salt please. Edwardx (talk) 01:58, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and salt. Someone is trying hard to get this company on Wikipedia. Previous createors were all blocked for spamming. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:31, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I'd like to defend the article for consideration here. I'm not a spammer, and am not getting paid for this article. I don't work for this company (I am an American, my home address is in Texas) but I met someone from the company briefly (no friendship exists) while traveling abroad and they told me about their issues with an old article on Wikipedia. I thought it'd be a good experience to try making a new article for the company. I'm a graduate student with a degree focusing on Middle East culture and religion. I've never dealt with Islamic banking issues before and don't know much about the Sharia compliance part of it so wanted to learn while researching it, and also help them with their page on Wikipedia. I've edited some other articles on Wikipedia too to see how to do edits and give back to the community, but this was my first article I attempted because the company seemed to be unique enough in the Middle East to have one, and the previous page they had was pretty bad with a lot of ad-style content, and I thought it could be good bridge-building for an American to help out a local company here when there's so much tension between my country and this part of the world. Please don't delete it if instead you just have some suggestions how I can make it better! Prospectiveperspectives (talk) 10:45, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and salt as per above and previous nom. Störm (talk) 14:28, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and salt per nom the sources do not meet Wp:CORPDEPTH, additionally very advertorial in tone. jcc (tea and biscuits) 15:15, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Articles new sourcing is shaky, being made up of press releases and a CEO interview, and so the outcome of the previous AfD should stand. Article still fails WP:CORPDEPTH. SamHolt6 (talk) 09:45, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per my analysis at COIN which I repeat here: The article sources look weak to me (who is bankingtech.com? IBS Journal?) and the COI template on an earlier draft doesn't exist on the final product. Spot checking sources like this press release and this CEO interview shows that source problems remain. ☆ Bri (talk) 17:06, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I had edited out advertorial content and the article should comply with WP:GNG. References remaining in the article are sourced from reputable sources, and since the company does not have a presence in the USA references should exist in additional languages. From a quick check on the Internet their software seems to be one of the core banking platforms for Islamic Banking. Hagennos (talk) 18:13, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hagennos has only removed material. How does this address WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:SIGCOV concerns of the majority of !voters or as his edit summary states "make article comply with WP:GNG"? ☆ Bri (talk) 16:05, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I did not think the article had issues with WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:SIGCOV as there are more than 12 references from various sources and publications regarding the banking system adopting the software in question as their main Core Banking platform. Right now the article barely clears WP:GNG but could be improved by the community. Hagennos (talk) 17:35, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You may be confusing two different standards for references. WP:RS is the standard for a "reliable source" and most information and data from a reliable source can be included in an article. For example, some factoids from an interview with the CEO printed in the NYT may be included in the article. But there are higher standards for references that meet the criteria for notability and for companies, these are explained at WP:NCORP. You'll see in both WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGIND sections that material that relies almost exclusively on company-produced material (such as, for example, an article that merely prints an interview with the CEO) fails these criteria. So, you may have 12 references from reliable sources, but they may still fail the criteria for establishing notability. HighKing⁺⁺ 14:44, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As per nom, fails GNG, references fail WP:CORPDEPTH and/or WP:ORGIND. HighKing⁺⁺ 14:44, 9 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 19:07, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unnat Jeevan by Affordable Appliances and LEDs for All[edit]

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Not very notable, written somewhat like an advertisement, orphaned. Overall not a good page for wikipedia. Elliot321 (talk | contribs) 01:29, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Hi Elliot321, I've removed all the promo speak. In fact a significant part was copyvio – removed it. I've added sources too and also notice that there are a multitude of more sources available that seem to push this article over the notability guidelines' requirements. Would you take a look and tell me if the article now looks okay to you? And if it does, would you consider withdrawing your nomination? Warmly, Lourdes 14:54, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 02:50, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Alaska Renee[edit]

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Two of the sources, iTunes and IMDb, don't help establish notability, one of the others has two sentences about her, and the last doesn't mention her. She doesn't seem to meet GNG or any other relevant notability guidelines. KSFT ^(t|c) 01:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I corrected the references. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbow2233 (talk • contribs) 04:24, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete non of the sources are of the type to support notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:10, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay i will continue to fix references but you can delete it now if you want. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnbow2233 (talk • contribs) 06:56, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This page shouldn't be deleted, just needs more information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kylie113344 (talk • contribs) 19:10, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The subject of the article does not seem to meet the Wikipedia general notability guideline: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list." — Mudwater^(Talk) 12:23, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay delete it then. I will continue to add information later on. Thank you. Johnbow2233 —Preceding undated comment added 06:21, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 02:49, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

James Herren[edit]

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Ambassadors are not automatically notable; they still need to be covered in reliable sources. I couldn't much coverage specifically about him other than official US government websites. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:59, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete ambassadors are not default notable, and the coverage is not enough to show notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:58, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 02:49, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Foxtel on T-Box[edit]

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This article has a single source, which includes long quotes and doesn't seem to be completely independent. It isn't even clear that the T-Box itself is notable; it doesn't seem to have an article of its own. KSFT ^(t|c) 00:55, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I tagged this for notability, along with a very similar article Foxtel on Xbox 360 and Internet TV (which was created by a now banned user). Foxtel itself is notable, but individual articles for the distribution of Foxtel aren't warranted. List of channels are generally discouraged, and there is little verifiable information anyway. Details of devices Foxtel can be acceesed by can be easily covered in the article Foxtel -- Whats new?^(talk) 01:07, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete "The service was discontinued in 2015, but however the channels still work and everything else on the T-Box still works too!" Unsourced, and this was literally a channel package on a service that isn't even mentioned in the Telstra article. Not really needed at all; Foxtel offers their channels in various venues and there's nothing special about this at all. Nate • (chatter) 01:29, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails GNG, just seems like a random list of channel names, mostly. South Nashua (talk) 02:13, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails GNG Chetsford (talk) 05:35, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, fails GNG (and was a terrible product). Cavalryman V31 (talk) 01:13, 9 January 2018 (UTC).[reply]

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The result was delete. Killiondude (talk) 02:49, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Runa Akasaka[edit]

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A BLP that lacks sources that discuss the subject directly and in detail. Sigificant RS coverage not found. The article is cited to online directories, interviews, commercial websites, and other sources otherwise not suitable for notability. Does not meet WP:PORNBIO / WP:NACTOR. No significant awards or notable contributions to the genre.

First AfD closed as "keep" based on the arguments along the lines of she's notable and she has a long filmography; neither sounds convincing. PORNBIO has been significantly tightened since then and I believe it's a good time to revisit. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:38, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete 10 years ago this may have met our inclusion criteria, but the article does not meet them as they stand today.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No reliable source coverage at all, significant or otherwise. This is a porn biography sourced to film databases and vendor catalogs. No claim of passing WP:PORNBIO and nothing to support WP:GNG. Finally, notability is not inherited by working for notable studios especially without acknowledgement from reliable sources. • Gene93k (talk) 11:30, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as non notable porn actress, Hasn't won any notable/significant awards, Fails PORNBIO & GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 13:52, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. AustralianRupert (talk) 02:05, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Albert L. Ireland[edit]

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Nine Purple Hearts, while commendable, aren't enough to satisfy WP:SOLDIER. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:34, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Question Do having a stretch of highway and an admittedly small vessel named after Ireland confer general notability?--Georgia Army Vet Contribs Talk 01:37, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think he meets GNG, even if he doesn't meet SOLDIER. I found another ref in about ten seconds. There are probably more out there and more that could be found with some digging given the number of medals he's earned. South Nashua (talk) 02:21, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. I think he meets GNG. Has coverage for "holding the highscore" for purple hearts awarded - 9. 8 Combat Heroes With the Most Purple Hearts. Some coverage [39], [40]. Some press coverage. And having a highway stretch and a small vessel named for him also further advances GNG.Icewhiz (talk) 08:07, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Ireland earned national news coverage in 1953 due to his ninth award as well as TV appearances due to his fame (per newspapers.com search), and has been mentioned sporadically afterwards. Kges1901 (talk) 11:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Subject has enough coverage to allow an article that is verifiable, not original research, and does not overly give a biased point of view. Smmurphy^(Talk) 13:16, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep satisfies NSOLDIER Chetsford (talk) 05:34, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Icewhiz, while not passing WP:SOLDIER, nine purple hearts, having a highway stretch and a small vessel named after you, adds up to passing WP:GNG. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:58, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. Killiondude (talk) 02:48, 10 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ketto[edit]

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An advertorially toned page on a nn startup. Significant RS coverage not found; what comes up is passing mentions and WP:SPIP sourcing. Article cited to similar sources. Created by Special:Contributions/Toldyousomuchso no other contributions outside this topic. First AfD closed as no consensus due to low participation; I believe it's a good time to revisit. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:29, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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