Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2008 January 4
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The result was No concensus (default keep). JERRY talk contribs 03:33, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
List of songs of Oklahoma[edit]
- List of songs of Oklahoma (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Indiscriminate list of songs whose only common bond is that they mention Oklahoma or have it in the title somewhere. None of these songs have any other common bond, so this list violates WP:NOT#DIR, not to mention the utter lack of sourcing. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 04:15, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Life, Liberty, Property (talk) 04:19, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - per WP:NOT#DIR. Even following some of the songs that had articles found Oklahoma connections to be unsourced. LonelyBeacon (talk) 04:25, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Partial merge to Music of Oklahoma. Most of these, admittedly, aren't notable. We all know "O-klahoma" from the musical, and "Okie From Muskogee" and Fastball's "Sooner or Later", but you don't HAVE to put in everything. Mandsford (talk) 04:46, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete As random list of info Mbisanz (talk) 10:34, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, just barely, since List of songs about California and List of songs about Alabama both of which show that this article could be better. However the name would need to be changed to List of songs about Oklahoma, since it is not clear what we are to make of the definition of "of" here, as Clinton might have put it. Lobojo (talk) 15:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep. The Smithsonian Institution classifies its collection of music Americana by state ([http://americanhistory.si.edu/archives/d5300nh1.htm here), and if it's good enough for the Smithsonian it's good enough for Wikipedia. The list is not indiscriminate at all. It's criterion for inclusion is that a song is about the state of Oklahoma, or geographical locations therein. That's a rather distinct and small amount of music. Oklahoma is a rather out of the way place that people do not think of often. Residents are keenly aware of songs that are about their state, and it helps define the culture of the state internally and to the outside world. Hence, it is an encyclopedic and notable subject. There is a similar article, Music of Oklahoma, but that is different. Both issues are important - the indigenous music, and also what musicians nationwide say about Oklahoma. Becuase there is very little in the state by way of a music industry, most songs get sung about Oklahoma by expatriates and transplants, not in Oklahoma. Wikidemo (talk) 00:16, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Too much original research, too many entries are not notable (do not have their own articles). The intersection of song and state is too random. If the content was notable, then it could be merged to Oklahoma, but it's not. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 10:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
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- Merge with Music of Oklahoma, per Mansford. Mr Senseless (talk) 14:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and move per Lobojo and Wikidemo. The list is discriminate -- the common bond is that all the songs are about a specific place. Including a song with "Oklahoma" or "Okie" in its title or lyrics is not original research -- it is primary information where the song is the source (similar to a plot summary taken from a film). Bláthnaid 14:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Lobojo, Wikidemo and Blathnaid. Circeus (talk) 17:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - indiscriminate list. Addhoc (talk) 18:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Addhoc. D.M.N. (talk) 18:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. No criterion, NOT#INFO. Cool Hand Luke 00:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. — Scientizzle 17:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Huruph Runasimi[edit]
- Huruph Runasimi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Few hits on Google, 0 hits on JSTOR, for this constructed script that writes Southern Quechua in Perso-Arabic script. No evidence of any coverage in reliable sources. Only source is Langmaker, which anyone can edit. prod contested by author on talk page. Aagtbdfoua (talk) 23:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, no assertion of notability, no evidence of notability, and apparent conflict of interest / attempt at promotion of a personal project ("..currently under development by user Rcgy", article creator and sole real contributor is User:Rcgy). --Stormie (talk) 01:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Non-notable article. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 09:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 00:58, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Friends 'Til the End[edit]
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I'm getting nothing on Google or TV.com. "Friends 'Til the End" does come up as a 1987 movie but this looks like a violation of WP:CBALL to me. Redfarmer (talk) 23:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and possibly speedily. This was an internet rumor from nearly two years ago (see here). It simply isn't true. - auburnpilot talk 23:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Crystal - also, article is written NPOV.LessThanClippers (talk) 00:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, unsourced rumors and violates WP:CRYSTAL.Collectonian (talk) 01:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete not verifiable, Wikipedia is not the place for rumours.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 04:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Useless article! Masterpiece2000 (talk) 09:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 01:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Democratic Party Sex Scandals[edit]
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Any sex scandal should be mentioned in the individual's article. To group sex scandals by political party is unnecessary and blantantly non-neutral (POV fork). See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Republican Party Sex Scandals. Ice Cold Beer (talk) 23:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete both articles for both parties. Quite apart from it being non-neutral, divorcing these "scandals" from their wider context just makes for a prurient and unedifying list. --DanielRigal (talk) 00:05, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Share fate (Delete) of Republican article. No need to repeat reasons here. - Aagtbdfoua (talk) 00:06, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete both Although I don't see the merit in "Democratic" and "Republican" sex scandal articles (other than to demonstrate that both red and blue get in trouble), I don't agree with the idea that scandals should be mentioned only in individual articles either. The quality of both of these articles is poor-- the Democrat article is limited to Bill Clinton (author is probably too young to remember Gary Hart), and the Republican article focuses on Rush Limbaugh's drug rehab ("whilst not a sex scandal..."). However, political sex scandals merit their own separate article. Mandsford (talk) 00:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - The way I see it, this was created only to somehow "balance" the Republican article, which is also NPOV... just get rid of both of 'em. SeanMD80talk | contribs 00:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete both. Wikipedia articles shouldn't be an amalgam of tabloid journalism and attacks. Independently notable incidents, like the Lewinsky scandal, have their own articles. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 01:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, there is no good reason to separate out sex scandals by party, and right now only the Clinton sex scandal is discussed anyway and we already have a full article on that. *** Crotalus *** 01:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete for the same reason as Republican Party Sex Scandals - it's POV by nature due to its focus on a single political party. There is no encyclopedic reason to separate political scandals by party. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 03:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and redirect to Political scandals of the United States per various delete recommendations above. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete both, per reasoning both here and in the other AfD. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 04:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete This type of article should be deleted from Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a place for 'sex scandals'! Masterpiece2000 (talk) 09:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - whilst sex scandals and other naughtiness by political types are often notable, such things should be put in context, ie in the article of the individual concerned. Xdenizen (talk) 00:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and redirect per Metropolitan90 Will (talk) 14:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, article functions as an open invitation to soapboxing and pov pushing. --Soman (talk) 18:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and salt both! Bearian'sBooties (talk) 19:57, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - inherently POV --skew-t (talk) 00:38, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. It's been open long enough and consensus is clear.--Kubigula (talk) 18:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Leonard stegmann[edit]
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This article should be discussed among editors and decided as to whether it meets WP:Notability standards. I have mixed feelings, but am leaning towards 'delete' because of the very small amount of Internet linking to the books written by this author. Also, the publisher of Heywood Jablomi is "Signature Imprint", which is an extremely obscure publisher as near as I can tell. Also, the author's website[1] claims a total of 43 books sold, which may be a joke, hard to tell. SaltyBoatr (talk) 16:45, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Seems to be a self-published author. Unverifiable by reliable sources. --Ryan Delaney talk 03:48, 29 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No sources, I also added dead-end tag, orphan tag, and a unreferenced tag. Ohmpandya (Talk) 23:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
HERE YE! HERE YE!
in regard to the notability, in fact NOBILITY, of American Humor Writer, Leonard Stegmann, it seems worth noting his contributions in the blogosphere as well. Leonard Stegmann, is one of America's first official, "blogumnists" (term coined by me, sandra kay, ttgp, fellow writer, poet, playwright on a television program, in a word, TV30.ORG, 09/19/06 #IAW0610), writing and posting entertaining columns at leonardstegmann.blogspot.com 5 DAYS A WEEK, beginning in June 2005. His comments, to comments, setting etiquette standards for current and in-coming bloggers.
and to refer to leonard stegmann LEONARD STEGMANN! as non-encyclopedic? -oh, you obviously need only spend a few moments reading his posts! he is exactly where i turn for all my knowledge of current events, popular culture, political hindsights, and new vocabulary words! he is my encyclopedia! how else would i know how much howard stern earns per show? or that larry king wears suspenders! LEONARD STEGMANN is america's LINK to the other side. CHARLIE ROSE AND LEONARD STEGMANN, what more do you need? KNOWLEDGE AND LAUGHTER.
i credit leonard stegmann, with, quite literally, saving my life. our God blessed friendship, well documented in the over 12,000 comments at leonardstegmann.blogspot.com. it would be foolish to delete a man contributing so much to the literary world, the blogosphere and humanity in general.
DO NOT DELETE! he is a living legacy in progress. a genius of a different kind.
i know
i own 43 of his books. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.120.158 (talk) 15:34, 2 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- delete After reading the plea about this "blogumnists", and now finding out he has a BLOG that he contributes to 5 days a week, I must say, it is suprising that the article only has 4 sentences. I found tons of blog entries and little else. Please feel free to point me toward the other references and change my mind. If he did all the things that the AC/IP pointed to above, where are the links? Pharmboy (talk) 00:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- delete Article has zero value, zero sources, and zero notability. It was created by an account with 0 edits prior to its creation, and the long winded keep arguement was made by an IP with no edit history whatsoever. Furthermore, without sourcing, does anyone believe there is a book entitled "Heywood Jablomi" (come on 3rd grade joke) THe internet essays of 1840-1880 (or something like that). Seriously, without sourcing.LessThanClippers (talk) 00:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete This article is a crap. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 09:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Some random blog + a few microscopically-tiny-press'd books = not much notable. If they are as notable as the pleas and the blog post where this AfD was hyped upon indicate, then it would be not a problem to find the sources? Meatpuppets appear to have been summoned; now please tell them to find Reliable Sources. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 17:01, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I wouldn't expect many actual meatpuppets, as it appears only one[2] blogger actually reads the stegmann blog. And, judging from the style of writing, the four comments[3] to that Jan 1st stegmann blog entry seem like sockpuppets. SaltyBoatr (talk) 17:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 01:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Republican Party Sex Scandals[edit]
- Republican Party Sex Scandals (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Page is definitely a violation of NPOV. Focusing on the Republican Party scandals in particular due to their "running a platform on family values" (as stated in the article) is definitely anti-Republican and does not belong in a neutral encyclopedia. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 23:02, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose deletion. These scandals just happen; the Republicans do it to themselves by running the family value platform while not being holy.... Although I would recommend a Democratic Party Sex Scandals article to balance the odds.Arnoutf (talk) 23:09, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose deletion. This article isnt intended to be anti republican at all - I have started this article about an hour ago and it will contain factual, objective and referenced material that focusses on other public republican figures. There should be a Democratic version of the page (I simply started with republican because one has to start somewhere). in this case however there is a real value in the article because of its contradiction to the republican political platform. I would find an article about democratic environmental scandals or health care scandals to be equally valuable because they are components of the democratic platform. were it not for this contradiction to the historical political platform the article would have little interest. Jacksonmahr (talk) 23:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Response The problem there is that you just said it yourself - "there is a real value in the article because of its contradiction to the republican political platform." If you're trying to contradict a political party platform, then you have to assume a position which is contrary to that political platform, therefore making your position biased. Yes, it is possible to write about politics neutrally and objectively, but if the puropse of the article is to contradict, then the entire article will be biased against the Republican party. Calgary (talk) 23:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Any 'sex scandals' will be covered in articles on individual people. This article currently features Mike Huckabee because a rapist was released while he was in office who went on to offend again. How is that a 'sex scandal'? Every political party runs on family values anyway. Nick mallory (talk) 23:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The article itself violates NPOV by taking two subjects which are not directly related and implying a connection. It is really not possible to have an article about "Republican Party sex scandals", because this would suggest that the sex scandals in question were an act of, or directly involved the Republican Party, when in fact they were simply committed by people who are members of the Republican party, which is something different altogether. The scandals themselves are the responsibilities of the individual people whocreated them, not the political party to which they belong. In any case, we have a "sex scandals" section as a part of Political scandals of the United States. Calgary (talk) 23:28, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete-- Arnoutf (and the text of the article) seems politically motivated, and it is true that the title suggests a connection which is opinionated, and not NPOV, which is mandatory. Better delete it, as mentioned, we already have Political scandals of the United States. SeanMD80talk | contribs 23:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Blatant POV fork. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Democratic Party Sex Scandals. Ice Cold Beer (talk) 23:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose btw there is a democratic party version now. in response to calgary - it is not my article that is contradicting the political platform but rather the actions of those who have used it and contradicted it by being involved in the scandals. the article on roman catholic sex abuse cases is a similar use of this contradiction - apart from its newsworthy nature, it is the contradiction of the actions of the priests involved and their public position on moral behaviour (particularly sex and homosexuality) that made the scandals especially important. the article isnt suggesting that catholics are immoral or that other religions arent capable of similar corruption, but it is illustrating the contradiction. The reason this article discusses Cathoic sex abuse and not Jewish or Buddhist is not because the article is biased agaist catholics but because this is the church where it happened to be discovered.
- Response Yes, but what you're ignoring here is the fact that the Republican Party is not contradicting itself here, it is the individual people involved who are doing so. The Republican party as a whole has never taken part in a sex scandal, and so the Republican party is not contradicting itself. Grouping politicians who have been involved in sex scandals together by political party suggests that somehow the two are related, when they're not. Even if each of the politicians holds a strong position on family values, and even if each of them has seemingly contradicted themselves, this does not demonstrate anything to do with the Republican party as a whole, only the individuals involved. Calgary (talk) 00:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As far as bias of this particular article, I am british, living in London - I hardly have a dog in the race. I agree the article needs to be written objectively, but simply because it exists doesnt make it politically biased.Jacksonmahr (talk) 00:07, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete both articles for both parties. Quite apart from it being non-neutral, divorcing these "scandals" from their wider context just makes for a prurient and unedifying list. --DanielRigal (talk) 00:06, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Response No one is defining how the article is biased here - simply being in the context of one political party doesnt make it biased, especially if it is referenced and factual. It may be unpleasant, granted, but simply being unpleasant doesnt make it biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacksonmahr (talk • contribs) 00:10, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- As I see it here's the problem. The topic is Republican (or Democratic) Party Sex Scandals. However really there's no such thing. There's a sex scandal of Mr. John Doe, who's a member of the republican party ... and his college alumni association... and the neighborhood book club, all unconnected with his scandal. To link the two in an article becomes by nature a POV article, by implying that the membership in the party is connected to his scandal.--Cube lurker (talk) 00:31, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The whole idea is steeped arbitrary bias. What defines a "sex scandal"? This is an arbitrary value judgement often made by people with axes to grind. In essence anything called a "sex scandal" is assumed to be one. Why is a "sex scandal" more important than any other type of "scandal"? Again, it is an arbitrary value judgement. How serious does a "sex scandal" have to be to be included in the article? How senior the politician? How can a standard be set and enforced fairly and consistently for both articles? If this article was "List of US national level politicians convicted of sexual offences" then it would at least have a solid factual frame work to work from. "Sex scandal" is just too arbitrary and that just invites bias. We might as well have a List of dingbats by political party and just forget any notion of encyclopedic standards. --DanielRigal (talk) 00:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Response to DanialRigal I agree that the inclusion of everyone would be arbitrary and (probably) never-ending. it would be pointless. however lets take as a reference point the case of Newt Gingrich and his actions in impeaching Bill Clinton during the Lewinsky scandal. It was later discovered that Gingrich was himself having an affair and contradicting the values that he was not only judging Clinton on but he had run for office on himself. This is a scandal. Some minor member of congress simply having an afair is not, in this context, the same thing - its not of interest because it involves no level of profile or hipocriscy. Perhaps it is a question of relabeling the article or refocussing the content. - unfortunately its disappearing as fast as it was written.Jacksonmahr (talk) 00:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete both Although I don't see the merit in "Democratic" and "Republican" sex scandal articles (other than to demonstrate that both red and blue get in trouble), I don't agree with the idea that scandals should be mentioned only in individual articles either. The quality of both of these articles is poor-- the Democrat article is limited to Bill Clinton (author is probably too young to remember Gary Hart), and the Republican article focuses on Rush Limbaugh's drug rehab ("whilst not a sex scandal..."). However, political sex scandals merit their own separate article. Mandsford (talk) 00:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Election year already? Delete unless these are going to be sourced to (WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NPOV) sources that talk about the phenomenon of Republican Party Sex Scandals. Stringing together a laundry list of 'scandals' and asserting a phenomenon called 'Republican Party Sex Scandals' seems pretty WP:OR to me. Article would also need to justify fork from general Political scandals in US article (i.e., there would have to be WP:V, WP:NPOV cited substantial difference between handling of scandals in parties). Even then, seems excruciatingly minute for an encyclopedia. The after-thought of an article about the Democrats should share the same fate. - Aagtbdfoua (talk) 00:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Response in response to Mandsford, author is indeed old enough to remember gary hart, but thank you for the patronising comment anyhow - always helful in forwarding debate! The reason one article exists on Democratic page is because both articles are less than 2 hours old when the big debate started - hart would need to be included, along with others. Response to Aagtbdfoua - I agree - election year already! do all queried articles receive such as hailstorm of debate? I agree with comments in terms of relevance to existing political and political scandal articles - quite neccessary to do if the subject even survives this heated scrutiny Jacksonmahr (talk) 00:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete both. Wikipedia articles shouldn't be an amalgam of tabloid journalism and attacks. Independently notable incidents, like the Lewinsky scandal, have their own articles. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 01:18, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Not only is this list hopelessly presentist (only 2 scandals are listed, both of which were in the past year or two), but the first 3 paragraphs are also pure original research. Also, there is absolutely no good reason to separate political sex scandals by party. *** Crotalus *** 01:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete and redirect to Political scandals of the United States per various delete recommendations above. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - this is not a useful or NPOV way of organizing this information. I agree entirely with Aagtbdfoua. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 04:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete This type of article should be deleted from Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a place for 'sex scandals'! Masterpiece2000 (talk) 09:50, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete along with Democratic Party sex scandals Notable articles such as the Lewinsky, Foley, and Craig incident has already received enough mention on Wikipedia. миражinred 15:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - with the same reasoning I offered for the other lot. Xdenizen (talk) 00:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and redirect per Metropolitan90 Will (talk) 14:55, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, article functions as an open invitation to soapboxing and pov pushing. --Soman (talk) 18:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - inherently POV --skew-t (talk) 00:38, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete per A7. jj137 ♠ 00:38, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sonkie[edit]
Based on complete lack of any Books, Scholar or Web hits, I don't believe this is individual (?) is notable. I can't find anything about the mythology this is apparently a part of and it reads more like in-universe information from a fantasy novel, although it claims to have been "real" mythology. Could be a hoax, possibly related to some other religion/mythology articles currently up for deletion. Kateshortforbob 22:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Looks very much like a hoax, if not, totally unnotable. Arnoutf (talk) 23:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. There is nothing out there about Sonkie, and a Google search for the "Bulpersic mythology" referred to in the article turns up nothing. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 23:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete As per the above reasons. Ohmpandya (Talk) 23:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC) Also, no links to the article, only talk pages, and articles for deletion pages. (Added orphan tag), also added dead end tag.Ohmpandya (Talk) 23:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. — Scientizzle 17:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Federated Christian Athletic Association[edit]
- Federated Christian Athletic Association (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
High school athletic regulatory body that is likely non-notable and has been tagged for not establishing notability for several months. No secondary sources or references other than its official website. Mr Senseless (talk) 22:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Weak keep - I searched a bit using Google ("Federated Christian Athletic Association"), and found these two pages of note, and the FCAA is mentioned briefly here. I don't know if that's enough to establish notability, but it's a start, and I wouldn't mind keeping the article. Not terribly opposed to deletion either; it'd be nice to see better sources. -FrankTobia (talk) 03:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete This article is not suitable for a global encyclopedia like Wikipedia. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 09:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - per nom. Xdenizen (talk) 00:23, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - there's insufficient reliable sources to establish notability -- Whpq (talk) 17:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus to delete. --Canley (talk) 12:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Peter Guidi[edit]
Resumecruft with barely an assertion of notability. The only thing that comes close to notability are the jazz festivals he played at. it:Umbria Jazz is a notable festival, and it:Pescara Jazz is probably notable. I'm not sure about the other two, Ivrea and Aosta. All in all, I'm not sure this person meets WP:MUSIC, so as it stands, I think this article should be deleted. AecisBrievenbus 22:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep Benefit of the doubt, on indeed notability. Google gives about 6000 hits on "Peter Guidi" (parenthesis included in search), and at least 2 of his CD's are availabe through international webshops (Amazon). Arnoutf (talk) 23:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- It is less his musical achievements as a player which warrant his inclusion than his teaching - bringing jazz to a new and very young generation of players. His bands - dating back to the 1990s - have already yielded several significant new young Dutch jazz performers, such as Jan Menu and Benjamin Herman. BTW - sorry - but I have no idea how this formatting works :( -- mcleaver<talk> 08:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The problem is that teaching jazz to young people does not make someone notable. It would only make him notable if it involves truly notable musicians, if his role in their development was vital, and if this has been established by reliable sources. Something along the lines of Colonel Tom Parker. If teaching non-notable and barely notable musicians is more important to his notability than his musical achievements, as you say, I'm afraid not much remains. AecisBrievenbus 21:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Non-notable person. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 09:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I prefer erring on the side of inclusion in borderline cases. Powers T 23:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It is a borderline case if there is some assertion of notability, if the discussion is about the extent to which the subject meets WP:MUSIC. The author has admitted himself that what might have met WP:MUSIC (his musical achievements) is less important than what doesn't meet WP:MUSIC (being a teacher). Then how is this a borderline case? AecisBrievenbus 13:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Because I believe that his musical achievements are sufficient to establish a modicum of notability; that the article's author believes his educational and outreach efforts are even more notable does not erase that. Powers T 15:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- But what are those musical achievements? Playing at the jazz festivals I mentioned in the nom? Playing with "many leading jazz musicians" (who are they?) ? AecisBrievenbus 22:56, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Because I believe that his musical achievements are sufficient to establish a modicum of notability; that the article's author believes his educational and outreach efforts are even more notable does not erase that. Powers T 15:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It is a borderline case if there is some assertion of notability, if the discussion is about the extent to which the subject meets WP:MUSIC. The author has admitted himself that what might have met WP:MUSIC (his musical achievements) is less important than what doesn't meet WP:MUSIC (being a teacher). Then how is this a borderline case? AecisBrievenbus 13:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 01:03, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
100 Greatest Villains (Wizard magazine)[edit]
This article is basically nothing, it lacks notability, content, importance, and ontop of all that the content it has is very unencyclopedic, I certainly don't think this warrants a wikipedia article. Blueanode (talk) 22:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- comment might this not infringe the copyright of Wizard magazine? If so, it should be speedy deleted. --Paularblaster (talk) 00:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I doubt it's a copyvio, since the list was in the July '06 issue, and this is the type of thing that magazines want to be noticed for and quoted from, hence, not copyrighted. I agree with nom, however, that it's unencylopedic. Essentially, it's a description of an article in a magazine that most people have never heard of, let alone read. Mandsford (talk) 00:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- While I cannot make a case for keeping this, I'm leaving a merge proposal on Talk:Wizard (magazine) to see if editors there think it is worth incorporating into that article. If the list is determined to be a serious copyright infringement, the merge can be called off. / edg ☺ ☭ 00:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I am the creator of the article. It was my first wikipedia article and was more of an experiment than anything else. ArdClose (talk) 00:46, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per ArdClose, and notability concerns. -FrankTobia (talk) 03:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. A list in a magazine is unlikely to be notable unless it's of some major significance. Having said that, I have no objection to a merge on this one. It's just that third-party sources about this particular list are very unlikely to exist.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 05:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per ArdClose. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 10:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Result is Delete. --VS talk 05:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Limelight (band)[edit]
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This new article has quickly gone through a speedy nomination and a proposed deletion nomination (the latter by me). Both have been removed by the same anonymous editor, so I'm bringing it here.
The article claims some remarkable things for this American band, and namedrops everyone from Elvis Costello to Hillary Clinton; however none of it is true. This is a complete hoax. Kateshortforbob 22:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as hoaxalicious with a Retsyn™ center. "limelight band rob mantegani" turns up bupkis on Google, so it must be a hoax. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 22:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete' per WP:SNOW. I put the Speedy tag on the article originally (incorrectly, as it does actually assert its notability, technically). Obvious hoax. Apparently released somewhere around 6 CDs in '07. selling about 100 million copies. Then why have I never heard of them? --Evan Seeds (talk)(contrib.) 22:28, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as a hoax, not to mention per WP:BOLLOCKS. This article makes absolutely ridiculous claims that could not possibly be true, and Google turns up absolutely nothing for a band that supposedly is loved by half the world. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 23:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"KEEP IT!!!!!" Are you seriously kidding me right now? How can you not have heard of Limelight? They are one of the best bands out there, not to mention the most attractive. Saying that you havent heard of Limelight is like saying that you haven't heard of brittney spears (one of my all time idols)! I am Limelight's #1 fan, I have all their albums and i totally agree with Hillary, which is why I'm voting for her and I hope that she wins despite her unfaithful husband, and her strange eyebrows. I find it insulting to hear that you think it is a hoax. If you havent heard of them...then you are pretty much a loser. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.161.83.68 (talk) 02:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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"DEFINITELY KEEP!!!" How can anyone have never heard of Limelight? Its only like the greatest band in the history of all time. I went to a Limelight concert last spring, and I was totally blown away. My life has been changed forever. Robert Mantegani is a musical prodigy, so its no wonder he got a record contract at age five. Limelight is definitely like, the #1 band in band history. And if you think that this band is "bollocks", then there is definitely something wrong with you. So, yeah. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.116.83 (talk) 02:26, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Note that "blatant and obvious hoaxes and misinformation" are subject to speedy deletion as vandalism. WP:CSD -Freekee (talk) 02:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - smells like a hoax to me. -FrankTobia (talk) 03:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it. Limelight is my favorite all time band and to delete their profile would be a sin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Huxley45671 (talk • contribs) 03:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Snowball delete, I'm nominating this for speedy deletion as patent nonsense (any article that claims "Rolling Stone magazine ranked them as #1 on the Greatest Bands of All of History ahead of Bob Dylan and Bach" is talking utter nonsense) too.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 05:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete without prejudice against recreation if/when more coverage is available. — Scientizzle 17:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Black List Club[edit]
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Non-notable. They haven't even record an album yet. They claim to be signed by Sire, but I cannot find anything to support that except their own press releases. Kingturtle (talk) 22:09, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Weak delete. They appear to have two notable members, but other than that they fail WP:MUSIC at the moment.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 05:15, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 09:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete, per User:HisSpaceResearch, without prejudice for recreation if/when the band becomes notable. A couple of lines in the Avril Lavigne article, Re: the career paths of her axemen would probably suffice at present (this from someone who has made edits to the BLC article). --Kurt Shaped Box (talk) 22:43, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete. Main body of this was copied from the opening of Zeus. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joshadik. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Suramnis mythology[edit]
- Suramnis mythology (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Another likely hoax; references Joshadik, also up for AfD. A handful of ghits, most of which reference a Korean town and hab=ve nothing to do with this topic. WP:NFT. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 22:10, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as someone who prodded the article. Nothing I've seen so far indicates that this is a notable religion. Possibly not even real. --Kateshortforbob 22:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Tikiwont (talk) 10:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Kojongie[edit]
This seems to be an invention. A Google search for Kojongie returns no hits. Likewise searches for possible mis-spellings, e.g. kajongie, the inventor or phrases like 'Nigerian hat' return nothing that suggest kojongies actually exist. Gaffertape (talk) 22:16, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete as per WP:V, nothing here to suggest that this is not a hoax. If it's not a hoax, it's non-notable.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 05:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No source. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 09:57, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - no sources provided and zero non-wiki hits when searching through Google -- Whpq (talk) 17:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete. The first two paragraphs were copied from the opening of Zeus with a couple of name changes. The last paragraph was copied from Heaven#In Islam, again with a couple of name changes. This left on original sentence in the middle. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 22:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Joshadik[edit]
Contested speedy. Likely hoax. Title turns up four ghits, all of them user names on other sites or similar. See WP:NFT. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 22:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. Tikiwont (talk) 10:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
F-flat[edit]
An obscure musical note. Does it deserve a Wikipedia article?? Georgia guy (talk) 22:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, or otherwise Merge to E (musical note). I've played piano since I was 4, and I know I've seen an F-flat pop up now and then (usually as part of a D-flat diminished chord). I'm not certain that there's enough content here for a separate page, so, as I said, it could be merged to E instead. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 22:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. The D-flat diminished chord would have to contain an A double flat as well, and I doubt any 4-year-old knows about double flats. Georgia guy (talk) 22:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I didn't say I was four when I saw the sharps and flats (more like 16, when I started playing keyboard in church). Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 22:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. The D-flat diminished chord would have to contain an A double flat as well, and I doubt any 4-year-old knows about double flats. Georgia guy (talk) 22:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to the enharmonic equivilent of E (musical note). Does occasionally pop up, and is notable enough to merit a reference but probably not enough for its own article. Mr Senseless (talk) 22:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into E (musical note). Unlike C-flat (which is really B), F-flat doesn't have its own key signature. SeanMD80talk | contribs 22:50, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]- Keep Although seldom used now it's historically significant and the fact that it's the only note without a key makes it significant. I'm sure more could be written about this. Nick mallory (talk) 23:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well I can tell who are the keyboard players here. ☺ Yes, F-flat does have its own key signature. It involves eight flats with a double flat of B. It is only on the chromatic scale that a flattened note is equivalent to the semitone below. In other scales, F flat is lower in pitch than E natural. F-flat is a diminished fourth above C, whereas E natural is a major third above C. The 1823 Encyclopaedia Britannica has a detailed explanation of this in its entry for "Music", if you want to learn more. So the question that you should be asking yourselves is: Are we aiming for Wikipedia to be at least as informative as the 1823 Britannica? ☺ Uncle G (talk) 01:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep - F-flat is a pretty standard tone in even intermediate-level music theory. That it's not commonly used is like arguing we should delete Thulium because it's rare and relatively useless compared to Oxygen. F-flat is a different theoretical creature than E-natural, and in spite of being enharmonic, substituting E-natural for F-flat (or vice versa) in a tonal composition is simply wrong. Torc2 (talk) 02:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Neutral Well, I am neutral! Masterpiece2000 (talk) 09:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep could do with a little work, but undoubtedly valid (if unusual). Guy (Help!) 16:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. This is standard WP:OSTRICH fare. I respectfully ask that this nom be withdrawn. RFerreira (talk) 23:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge/Redirect: (this should be merged into the article fa. There is no need to have an article for every harmonic alteration. What next G tripple flat. (It exists! Along with the millions of other permutation... this sound like a similar case that is happening at Time and how we could have an article for virtually every magnitude. --CyclePat (talk) 00:12, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Fa is a dis-ambiguation page. Georgia guy (talk) 00:18, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply
The dis-ambiguation Fa, as you state is a dissambiguation which however makes reference of the term Fa, under music, and links to the article "Note". I believe this is good.
The article F (musical note) is an anaemic article and a content fork. I propose it, including the content of F♯, F-flat and any other article related to Fa be merged. That includes this article ("F-flat major") which should be merged into the article Note as a subparagraph of a sections called scales.
Notice the difference between this article which is nominated for deletion and that it is called F flat major. What next, "F flat enharmonic minor" and "F flat ascending Phrygian and descending Mixolydian minor mode"? (These are scales permutations similar to any permutation which could be compared to a chemical compound or a magnitude of time
Again, please merge this article... including Fb (or F flat) (even if Fb it is not created yet!) and other fa derivatives related to music. I remcomend: Fa (music) and/or Note. Then, and only if there is to much information in those respective articles, should we content fork (WP:CFORK).
Furthermore, this article does not appear to address the scale issue within the first few sentences.
I believe all C, D, E, F, G, A (music note) are the fundemental values and that everything else is a harmonic deviation or a content fork. It almost like having an article for 50 Watt light bulb and 75 Watt light bulb.
Also note: The article F (musical note) should also be renamed F (music) or Fa (music) so we could then present and discuss in a marcoscopic view point many musical components of the thousands of different variations.
As per my above comment, it should be merged for now until there is more information and it doesn't appear to be some sort WP:POV. (That is a violation of WP:NPOV Undue weight... which may stem down to some very argumentative philosphical, scientific and other reasons. C flat vs B... E sharp vs. F. etc...) --CyclePat (talk) 02:03, 6 January 2008 (UTC) (Reformated Reply at approx. 10h11 p.m. EST)[reply]
- There have been some bizarre arguments put forward at AFD before now. But the idea that flats and sharps are points of view ranks quite highly on the bizarreness scale. Uncle G (talk) 04:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Perhaps indeed... We could talk philosophy for POV's... but Flats and sharps are modifications of the fundamental musical note and stem down to a common denominator which is the basic musical note. Any arguments, such as the comment from SeanMD80 regarding slight variations Equal Temperament, or other issues such as "vocal scales vs. piano, vs. other instruments and there temperaments" are precisely that... minor variations. I consider these variations to be content which should be part of one main article, unless there is plenty of information to content fork. Usually such musical acoustic issues can and should be discussed in 1 main article where everyone can work together! (ie.:Fa, Fa#, Fa##.... etc... are all notes with the common denominator of Fa. (It would be like having an article for A 440, then A 445 and all the infinite tunning possibilities... Everything else is WP:CFORK. --CyclePat (talk) 04:42, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Equating F-flat with "Fa" is simply wrong. Fixed solfege is only used in a few countries and clearly represents an anti-US bias. ... OK, maybe it doesn't, but it is relatively unused. For much of the world, "Fa" doesn't mean "F", it means the fourth degree of a major scale. Torc2 (talk) 07:52, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- US bias? euh! Okay... (quizical look).. (I guess that's for your region!) As we say in french Quebec... `C'est pour ça qu'on veut se séparé!`... I've never really heard that before. I have heard of the french and english conflict in solfege being one of letters vs the solfege. For example, in english we sometimes solfege using the letters C D E F G A B, other times we use "Do re mi fa sol la si". In french however, we rarelly ever use the letters but use the latter Do re mi... furthermore, there is something with a moveable "do" where, instead of singing the scale of ré - mi - fa# -sol - la - si - do# we would sing the same scale but with do re mi fa... making fa the IV of the scale. Anyways, doesn't matter... all these interesting facts should be consolidated and merged into the same article. One reason for this is the fact that scales follow a patern... there are hundreds if not thousands of different paterns and examples. For example: If we where to use or talk about a cadence in the tonality of C major or "do majeur" (en bon francais) and placed some emphasis on the IV (pré-dominante) explaining that it is the chord of "Fa majeur" (in french) or "F major" (for you loyalist english) the english french translation means the same thing, it makes sense to have it all in the same article. I believe the only reason this article was created in the first place is because of the circle of fifth and it was called F-flat major. My understanding... sorry if I don't have any sources but only first hand experience since I live in Ottawa studied french and english music... (here is where we contradict each other) Fa means the same as F and should be noted within such an article (ie.: merged together and explained). Similarly, F-flat is the same as E and should be noted in the same article. This interesting conflict should be talked about in one article and not split into millions of different articles to prove a point or the respective POV. Plus what are we going to do with those dam fury scrolls and gregorian chants that use different methods of notation... one article that encompasses all of this would be excellent! --CyclePat (talk) 21:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- b.t.w.: We must be careful on the dis-ambiguation page of fa. --CyclePat (talk) 21:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- For much of the world, "Fa" does not mean the same as F. That's your regional bias kicking in. Redirecting F to "Fa" makes as much sense as redirecting torch to flashlight, so redirecting F-flat to "Fa" would like redirecting arson to flashlight based on the idea that "torch" is a synonym for committing arson, and "torch" means "flashlight" in the UK. Torc2 (talk) 21:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay! Well, I figure my experience would be good enought but here is a source. I'd direct you attention towards the wikipedia article called "solfege". Solfege#Fixed Do solfege compares both terms and places them at the same level. All my teachings and music books (pre-school to university appear to say the same thing)... but then again... I guess my prof's and those doctors in music, and history... God dam university degree in music... 25000 dollars latter, do you think they'll give me a refund... may have been wrong through their teachings of Western Music. --CyclePat (talk) 22:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This is exactly what I've been saying the whole time: Fixed Do is a regional system, not a universal system. I don't know how I can say that any more clearly. In much of the English-speaking world, "Fa" in D major means the note "G", for example; in A major it means the note D; in other words, the assumption that Fa is always F is wrong. Instead of pointing me at the Solfege article, why not read it? Specifically the Solfege#Movable Do solfege section, which gives the locations where "Fa" is not synonymous with "F". You could even amuse yourself with the section right above it, that says even in the Fixed Do system, "Fa" does not equal F-sharp or F-flat; it would be "Fi" for F-sharp, and there is no equivalent for F-flat. It makes no sense whatsoever to throw them into a single article and then explain why they're different when they are actually different things. And as long as we're going to pull out our musical degrees and wave them around like phalli, your degree is impressive, but I have a Ph.D. in music composition. So, how about focusing on the information itself rather than trying to bully people with your credentials? Torc2 (talk) 22:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay. We're practically saying the same thing! That's good that we agree on that! But, you realize that these notes are often, more than less, compared to each other. I think it's safe to say that the article is "currently" more focused on the tonality of "F flat major" instead of the musical note "F-flat".
1. I personally think the F-flat (musical note), whether it be, as you claim "different things", (too which I do not completely agree), per the status quo should be linked with E Musical note.
2. This covers what I believe is one issue... (musical notes). Now, for scales and musical notes. I think that C (musical note) and C major (tonality) could probably be consolidated to make one article that explains all these differences. Similarly in this case, E (musical note) and F-flat major, F-double flat minor, F minor harmonic, tonality, scales, F phrygian, etc... should be in one article. For example we could have C (music) with the paragraph headings: "Music note", "scales" (major, minor, etc.), "Harmonic equivalents", "alterations" (Cbb, Cb or C#, C##). One interesting precedence for this could be the article "electric bicycle" which is virtually the same thing (yet different) and has been merged to motorized bicycle. Furthermore, the article and any conflicts (or changes in Hz or etc... can be clearly explained as is the case with the article E (musical note).
b.t.w.: I do humbly agree, and apologize in regards to the "in you face" manner of my previous statement regarding our qualifications. Our music degrees help us express in better terms what is happening... however, it really has nothing much to do with this subject, unless we want to pull out our old course notes and start using them as references. (Which in most cases, like an interview with someone (unless published), would probably not meet Wikipedia’s standards for inclusion). Sorry. p.s.: I do understand what you mean about F-sharp and Fa does not equal Fa... however I believe this is an interesting minority POV (which should be included in one merged article. I guess that's where we disagree, for now anyways! --CyclePat (talk) 20:15, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay. We're practically saying the same thing! That's good that we agree on that! But, you realize that these notes are often, more than less, compared to each other. I think it's safe to say that the article is "currently" more focused on the tonality of "F flat major" instead of the musical note "F-flat".
- This is exactly what I've been saying the whole time: Fixed Do is a regional system, not a universal system. I don't know how I can say that any more clearly. In much of the English-speaking world, "Fa" in D major means the note "G", for example; in A major it means the note D; in other words, the assumption that Fa is always F is wrong. Instead of pointing me at the Solfege article, why not read it? Specifically the Solfege#Movable Do solfege section, which gives the locations where "Fa" is not synonymous with "F". You could even amuse yourself with the section right above it, that says even in the Fixed Do system, "Fa" does not equal F-sharp or F-flat; it would be "Fi" for F-sharp, and there is no equivalent for F-flat. It makes no sense whatsoever to throw them into a single article and then explain why they're different when they are actually different things. And as long as we're going to pull out our musical degrees and wave them around like phalli, your degree is impressive, but I have a Ph.D. in music composition. So, how about focusing on the information itself rather than trying to bully people with your credentials? Torc2 (talk) 22:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay! Well, I figure my experience would be good enought but here is a source. I'd direct you attention towards the wikipedia article called "solfege". Solfege#Fixed Do solfege compares both terms and places them at the same level. All my teachings and music books (pre-school to university appear to say the same thing)... but then again... I guess my prof's and those doctors in music, and history... God dam university degree in music... 25000 dollars latter, do you think they'll give me a refund... may have been wrong through their teachings of Western Music. --CyclePat (talk) 22:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- For much of the world, "Fa" does not mean the same as F. That's your regional bias kicking in. Redirecting F to "Fa" makes as much sense as redirecting torch to flashlight, so redirecting F-flat to "Fa" would like redirecting arson to flashlight based on the idea that "torch" is a synonym for committing arson, and "torch" means "flashlight" in the UK. Torc2 (talk) 21:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- b.t.w.: We must be careful on the dis-ambiguation page of fa. --CyclePat (talk) 21:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- US bias? euh! Okay... (quizical look).. (I guess that's for your region!) As we say in french Quebec... `C'est pour ça qu'on veut se séparé!`... I've never really heard that before. I have heard of the french and english conflict in solfege being one of letters vs the solfege. For example, in english we sometimes solfege using the letters C D E F G A B, other times we use "Do re mi fa sol la si". In french however, we rarelly ever use the letters but use the latter Do re mi... furthermore, there is something with a moveable "do" where, instead of singing the scale of ré - mi - fa# -sol - la - si - do# we would sing the same scale but with do re mi fa... making fa the IV of the scale. Anyways, doesn't matter... all these interesting facts should be consolidated and merged into the same article. One reason for this is the fact that scales follow a patern... there are hundreds if not thousands of different paterns and examples. For example: If we where to use or talk about a cadence in the tonality of C major or "do majeur" (en bon francais) and placed some emphasis on the IV (pré-dominante) explaining that it is the chord of "Fa majeur" (in french) or "F major" (for you loyalist english) the english french translation means the same thing, it makes sense to have it all in the same article. I believe the only reason this article was created in the first place is because of the circle of fifth and it was called F-flat major. My understanding... sorry if I don't have any sources but only first hand experience since I live in Ottawa studied french and english music... (here is where we contradict each other) Fa means the same as F and should be noted within such an article (ie.: merged together and explained). Similarly, F-flat is the same as E and should be noted in the same article. This interesting conflict should be talked about in one article and not split into millions of different articles to prove a point or the respective POV. Plus what are we going to do with those dam fury scrolls and gregorian chants that use different methods of notation... one article that encompasses all of this would be excellent! --CyclePat (talk) 21:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- There have been some bizarre arguments put forward at AFD before now. But the idea that flats and sharps are points of view ranks quite highly on the bizarreness scale. Uncle G (talk) 04:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply
- Comment. Fa is a dis-ambiguation page. Georgia guy (talk) 00:18, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It should be noted, if it hasn't already, that while F-flat and E are the same in Equal Temperament, I think they are slightly different in Meantone temperament. SeanMD80talk | contribs 04:01, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment:We could also note Musical acoustics#Scales... which could be a top category... (asside: It would be interesting to see in a diagram how some subjects on Wiki forck out from their Common denominator! What is the common denominator in our case?) --CyclePat (talk) 04:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as all musical notes are per se notable. Well-sourced and likely to be researched by students. Bearian'sBooties (talk) 19:58, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: (humorously) Sounds like a puny to me! notable notes! lol ;) My favourite note is Ré### or Mi# sometimes called Fa or Gbb or sol double bémol... Sometimes I like to modulate a piece and with the dominent of the dominent and so on! But no mater how you right it... whether it's in the treble clef and or the the clée d'Ut or some gregorian notation, or 1 octave lower, or 1 octave higher, at X hz or 2X hz, it's always going to have one thing in common... it's always going to be an alteration of a given basic notation which is "C D E F G A B". Surelly notable... but surelly something... and I say this one last time... that can be merged to make one nice article instead of 300 thousands POV's. -CyclePat (talk) 21:24, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merging would possibly be valid, but there's no legitimate reason whatsoever to delete. Merging is a discussion for talk pages or, since you might be dealing with a wide range of pages, the WikiProject level, with appropriate notification at the pages being discussed. Not a discussion for AFD at any rate. --JayHenry (talk) 00:35, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. --VS talk 22:43, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Chaar[edit]
This article establishes no notability (WP:FICTION) through reliable sourcing (WP:RS) and as such is just an in-universe plot repetition (WP:WAF), and should be deleted. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:04, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, no evidence of real-world notability. --Stormie (talk) 01:15, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep My goodness! How popular does a topic have to be to survive around here? Chaar is the Decepticon base of operations in Season 3 and 4 of The Transformers (TV series) and, as such, is the most notable fictional planet in the Transformers universe after Cybertron. Episodes featuring Chaar were viewed by millions of people in dozens of countries and languages. I support the deletion of articles with limited or primarily local appeal, but The Transformers is clearly notable on an international scale. I dread to think how many articles will be left if every article this notable is deleted! DOSGuy (talk) 08:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Fame and popularity are not criteria for Wikipedia, and as such your argument is fundamentally flawed. As Wikipedia:Notability explains, what are required are multiple published works from reliable and independent sources that document the subject in depth. This is what the nominator has stated in the nomination does not exist. Your flawed argument does not disprove xyr assertion. To disprove xyr assertion, simply cite some reliable and independent sources that document this subject in depth, to demonstrate that it is possible to write a verifiable and neutral article free from original research on this topic. Uncle G (talk) 16:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete We don't need an article on 'fictional planet' in the Transformers series! Masterpiece2000 (talk) 10:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "I don't like it" isn't the best of all possible arguments :-) Hobit (talk) 14:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Why not? The fictional planets in every other popular series have articles. It deserves an article if it is a topic of broad interest, which the Transformers certainly have. DOSGuy (talk) 19:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to an article about Transformers planets. JIP | Talk 11:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Marge, but I've no idea where. Hobit (talk) 14:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete this, it has no function in an encyclopedia. And btw: it's only in-universe so there is nothing to merge as far as I can see. Greswik (talk) 19:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or redirect to the main article. JJL (talk) 22:06, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. — Scientizzle 17:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ciaran Shaman[edit]
- Ciaran Shaman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
The issue is notability: although the originator is the subject, the article is not written in a promotional way. I gave it a speedy A7 tag; he responded with {{hangon}}, and we had a conversation about notability on the article's talk page, as a result of which I decided to bring it here for more time and more views. The only sources in the article are the subject's web-site and MySpace; Google produces some gallery sites showing his work, but I don't know that world well enough to know if they can be counted as independent sources.JohnCD (talk) 22:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Um, what is your reason? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 22:04, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, seems to fail WP:RS. I couldn't find anything verifiable, either. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 22:10, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I can scan and send you newspaper cuttings from an exhibition where I was the advertised artist-in-residence as well as magazine covers. I can see your point of view with the web presence as a lot of my work has been published 'underground' and is fairly inaccessable - even I do not have copies of everything that's been independently published, sometimes without my permission. My work with David Icke can be found here: http://www.davidickewasright.com/ I also have produced many one-off commissions for noteable musicians but I try not to advertise this fact for privacy reasons. I understand if this is not yet enough to warrant a wikipedia entry, though undoubtedly one will have to be created in the near future as I gather together more verifiable sources. It just seems a shame to delete it, though as I say I would understand if that's the case. Warm regards. --Merlinamagus (talk) 00:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- delete I've searched around on-line and can't find anything satisfying WP:RS to satisfy the the notability criterion of extensive coverage in reliable secondary sources. If some appear here, please let me know & I'll modify my opinion. Pete.Hurd (talk) 04:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Non-notable person. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 10:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - no reliable sources to establish notability -- Whpq (talk) 17:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. Is this discussion? No-one has answered my question above as to submitting sources of notability. I have to say I'm a pretty intuitive person and I can tell the direction of the flow so no worries about deleting the entry. Many thanks for searching for notable articles. Warm regards, Ciaran. --Merlinamagus (talk) 23:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. --VS talk 22:49, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ivy plus[edit]
Fails Notability (organizations and companies) because it lacks multiple, agreeing & reliable sources. There are few to begin with, and there is disagreement between them over membership in this vague group. Specifically UChicago[4], Oxford, Univ SoCal[5], and Cambridge are mentioned in some sources, not others. Still other sources refer to this as a group of alumni clubs in large East Coast cities, while others treat it as a simple way to refer to the Ivy League schools + Stanford & MIT ([6], [7] or [8]) Either way, it is nebulous, undefined, unreferenced & lacks an actual organization. cOrneLlrOckEy (talk) 21:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. It doesn't have to be an established organization. If it's just a phrase that has gained reasonably widespread use, then it's a keeper. Otherwise, it could be deleted as a neologism. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 22:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Per nom. Brusegadi (talk) 22:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 10:05, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. This concept clearly does exist, and is well sourced as demonstrated by the nominator. The nomination seems to be based on the fact that references disagree on the precise definition of the subject. If that's to be a reason for deletion then we should be seeing an AfD for God soon. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:56, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Each 'definition' of God covered in the God article (my definition is not covered) seems to be notable in its own right (that is why my definition is not covered) whereas each definition of Ivy Plus is NOT notable in its own right. Brusegadi (talk) 03:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Inconsistency isn't the only problem. This seems to be a neologism or simply a casual, shorthand term that has been misinterpreted by the authors of the article to denote a set group. The inconsistency in usage seems to indicate that a variety of sources happen to use the sequence of words "Ivy plus," without any evidence that they all intend it to refer to the single group this article purports to be about. Dylan (talk) 02:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Merge and redirect to EastEnders#Setting. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 15:14, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Walford Gazette[edit]
- The Walford Gazette (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Non-notable fictional newspaper. D.M.N. (talk) 21:55, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect to EastEnders#Setting, a sentence on this fictional newspaper would fit in with the fictional postcode and tube station described there. --Stormie (talk) 01:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect per Stormie. Lacks real-world notability.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 05:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect per Stormie. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 10:06, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect and add sentence about paper to EastEnders#Setting per Stormie. Collectonian (talk) 07:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. — Scientizzle 06:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Double-Dare to Be Scared[edit]
- Double-Dare to Be Scared (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
No evidence of meeting Wikipedia:Notability (books), also fails WP:NOT#PLOT, was tagged as undercontruction for over a month, and the article wasn't improved Delete Secret account 21:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 10:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Deleteper nom, check also [9]: author seems speedied, due to no context! This book googles rather well, however, but this "article" is only a plot summarie- it is not even a start as an article, IMHO. Greswik (talk) 19:22, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Redirect to Geoffrey Gates — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stormie (talk • contribs) 08:42, 5 January 2008
A Ticket for Perpetual Locomotion[edit]
- A Ticket for Perpetual Locomotion (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
procedural nomination—version brought to AFD: This article went through a PROD-dePROD cycle in August 2006 and has improved somewhat since then (see diff between PROD'd versions). However, the novel that is the subject of the article still suffers from a lack of notability. As the recent PROD nominator stated "Covered by Geoffrey Gates, not notable enough for a separate article." My recommendation: redirect to the author's article. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 21:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Geoffrey Gates, I'd say "merge and redirect" except there's already more about the novel in the author's article than in the novel's one. The article hasn't improved since being PROD'ded - it has clearly attracted some maintenence efforts (categorization, stub sorting, etc.), but zero new content. This is precisely why articles like this are better off merged, every article, no matter how tiny, requires maintenence as Wikipedia style and standards shift. --Stormie (talk) 01:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect I was the recent nominator -- didn't realize then that redirection as an alternative to AfD doesn't require discussion, or I would have done so to begin with. Shall we do so and speedily close this? Jfire (talk) 03:03, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. --Bongwarrior (talk) 03:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Morad Kaveh[edit]
Speedy A7 was declined without explanation. No assertion of notability other than the fact "he's famous". Looking at this singer's personal site, I can't find much more of a notability assertion there either. Delete. Blanchardb-Me•MyEars•MyMouth-timed 20:39, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, no assertion nor evidence of notability - I would have speedied it personally, but since User:Iridescent declined that, I'll let this AfD run its course. --Stormie (talk) 01:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep. His website says he "has worked with many famous musicians and singers." Okay, no. Delete -Freekee (talk) 02:29, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. He gets about 1,500 ghits. He may have worked with other Kurdish musicians, so it needs to be treated differently as though it were a standard rock band or something. Still, weak delete, I don't see much here in terms of reliable sources on Google.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 05:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Non-notable person. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 10:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. — Scientizzle 06:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Macfoy family (Sierra Leone)[edit]
- Macfoy family (Sierra Leone) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
Article about non-natable topic, few sources indicating notability, names metioned are unsourced. Pointless page. Page was deleted once before (nothing new indicating significance of subject added) — Ranket (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Delete - no reliable sources that are about the family. There is some indication that there might be some notability for individual members. -- Whpq (talk) 17:40, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per lack of notability. Jmlk17 09:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete--JForget 01:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Georgia Kathleen Connor[edit]
- Georgia Kathleen Connor (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
This page has already been created and speedily deleted once. Looking at this page it appears identical to what I recall was the previous page. There are what appear to be refs, but one is clearly just the organizatin that this person supposedly operates, others would not illustrate notability anyway, and given that not a single one of them are linked to a viewable page or complete with regards to their information, plus a lack of any inline referencing it is impossible to determine what statements in the article, if any, are actually supported by these "references." This whole thing just seems like a personal advertisement. Since this person insists on recreating their article a salt may be warranted as well. Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 20:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Here is the log with the page's previous deletion: [10] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oni Ookami Alfador (talk • contribs) 20:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete: per G4. Take a look at the bottom of the page; that "category list" looks like a cut and paste minus the Wiki-specific markups. RGTraynor 21:45, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Last version was speedied, so G4 doesn't apply. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 22:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete This article is a crap. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 10:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - no reliable sources to establish notabilty. And in fact, no strong claim to notability in the article. Also looks to be a profile-raising (biography spamming) effort for MindMoves StudyBuddy Accelerated Learning System. -- Whpq (talk) 17:44, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus, default to keep. --Bongwarrior (talk) 04:10, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Donna Edwards[edit]
- Donna Edwards (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD)
procedural nomination—version brought to AFD: There is nothing notable about a person who has not won a primary. The person is a lobbyist and not an activist and the page therefore is in horrible shape and is political propaganda. Request reopening AfD. (Notice: this notice was inserted directly into the article with an AFD-template by Insidertracker earlier today, I somehow got the impression the discussion had just been closed and he disagreed with it, so I reverted the edit and sent him to WP:DRV. I'm finishing the nomination for him now instead. Previous nomination ended with no consensus, 11. july 2007. I personally have no meaning about this subject.) Greswik (talk) 20:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete for lack of notability and sources. The links provided, an outside wiki, the candidate's homepage, and two foundations with which the subject has been involved, don't provide enough reliable information to support an article, nor do they prove that the subject is notable beyond being a candidate for office - which isn't enough. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 21:44, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep: Well ... with a Washington Post endorsement and having lost the previous primary by a razor's edge, you can't quite call this a fringe candidate. If she wasn't running again in November I'd vote Delete, but there's going to be ongoing notability here. I'm curious as to why nom both claims to be neutral on the subject while both asserting that she's a lobbyist not an activist (err, NPOV does imply that the premise that activist = Good, lobbyist = eViL!, however much widely held, is irrelevant here) That some (by no means all) of the article looks like propaganda is a content dispute, and can safely be edited out; that doesn't make it AfD-worthy. Ravenswing 21:55, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep With regards to her only being keepable because she's running again, note that notability is not temporary. Even so, she has clearly been covered by reliable sources. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 04:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Notability is indeed not temporary, but is also not garnered by a single failed run in a primary race. Ravenswing 07:27, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep. As with Ravenswing, the WAPO endorsement carries a fair amount of notability. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 22:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Donna Edwards is not that notable. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 10:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep per Ravenswing Will (talk) 19:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Edwards or her supporters made the article about herself. This violates wikipedia policy. The Washington Post did not endorse her for the 2008 primary. And a political endorsement from a failed primary does not make someone notable. The article remains poorly sourced. If she wins the primary and the main election, then maybe consider recreating. But for now, she lost by more than 2,000 votes in 2006. A failed lobbyist bid for elected office is not notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Insidertracker (talk • contribs) 20:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Not inherently notable, no, which takes us away from WP:BIO over to its parent, WP:N. She has been the subject of significant coverage from reliable, third party sources independent of her. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 20:32, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Delete per Ultra —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lciaccio (talk • contribs) 10:24, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Sarcasticidealist, but the page needs some work. --Pwnage8 (talk) 19:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Schnee139, I edited the page to remove bias and to make the information more clear. The page is relevant as Ms. Edwards is challenging Al Wynn a second time. 7 January 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.54.252 (talk) 03:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Insidertracker, Page is in poor shape without references. Edited and added CQ Politics reference about the ARCA foundation. This piece is still political propaganda and unbalanced. It will be interesting to see if the community lets proper sources such as CQ politics remain in the article. 9 January 2008 —Preceding Insidertracker comment added by Insidertracker (talk) 03:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I see no reason why reliable sources should not be in the article ... but it would have been even more interesting if their quotes weren't selectively edited, as that CQ cite was. Ravenswing 03:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Redirect. Fram (talk) 10:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Voodoo (Spice Girls Song)[edit]
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Contested prod - prod tag removed without explanation or improvements. Unsourced speculation, doesn't meet WP:MUSIC. Note that Voodoo (Spice Girls song) (with different capitalisation) redirects to the album that the song is on. Dawn bard (talk) 20:16, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Per WP:CRYSTAL. Not yet announced. The redirect will need to get deleted too. D.M.N. (talk) 20:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Greatest Hits (Spice Girls album) - I don't get the WP:CRYSTAL argument; this track already has been released on the GH album. The statement about it being released as a single is unsourced speculation, but the song itself actually does exist. Torc2 (talk) 21:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- In responce to Torc2's question, it's WP:CRYSTAL because no sources have stated that the song is a single. Until it has been verified as a single, I say merge and redirect to the album. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 00:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That's an issue of article content. The solution to that is to remove the line, not to delete the entire article. Listing the article under AfD and citing WP:CRYSTAL is saying that the song itself does not exist and its future creation is speculation. Torc2 (talk) 01:53, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete per nom. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 10:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- redirect to album --T-rex 01:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy close, article is already listed in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of places in Codename: Kids Next Door. Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 20:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Kids Next Door Arctic Base[edit]
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Fictional non-notable location to be deleted in association with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of places in Codename: Kids Next Door. treelo talk 19:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This AFD does not need to be created. When the other discussion ends, this article will automatically be deleted as they are included in the AFD together. D.M.N. (talk) 20:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Redirect. Fram (talk) 10:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Jimmy Nixon McGarfield[edit]
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Non-notable character in-universe and out of universe. treelo talk 19:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Non-notable. D.M.N. (talk) 20:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ignore The author of this article has chosen to merge the content into another article and they or another editor will request a speedy deletion as per WP:CSD#G7. As such I'm requesting the disregard of this nomination. --treelo talk 22:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 10:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to List of villains in Codename: Kids Next Door as content has been merged there. Unnotable, minor character that only appears in 3 episodes plainly fails WP:FICT for having his own article.Collectonian (talk) 06:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. Non-admin closure. D.M.N. (talk) 20:33, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Virginia Tech Lacrosse and Soccer Stadium[edit]
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Non-notable college stadium of no great size, no importance/notability asserted. Brianyoumans (talk) 19:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - It's the home pitch of a D1 soccer team. That's notable. matt91486 (talk) 19:55, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - If all stadiums located in this template are notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia, then this article on the same subject matter should be. The only red-link in that template should probably be created as an article. D.M.N. (talk) 20:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Home of a D1 team, that means it is a notable stadium. -Djsasso (talk) 00:45, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Being the venue of the Virginia Tech D1 soccer team is an assertion of notability. The nom is using a WP:NOTBIGENOUGH argument. --Oakshade (talk) 07:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm less concerned with the size than with the fact that this is a two line article on a venue built only five years ago. There isn't much to say about it. Perhaps a merger to the soccer team article, with a redirect? Brianyoumans (talk) 16:38, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It should really maintain it's own article. Expansion could be done with notable events to happen at the stadium, proper construction history, etc. matt91486 (talk) 16:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- A venue could be built five days ago and still be notable. --Oakshade (talk) 17:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm less concerned with the size than with the fact that this is a two line article on a venue built only five years ago. There isn't much to say about it. Perhaps a merger to the soccer team article, with a redirect? Brianyoumans (talk) 16:38, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Nomination Withdrawn - Redfarmer (talk) 20:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Charles L. McGaha[edit]
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Non-notable person. Only claim to notability is that he won the Medal of Honor. Creator removed prod without comment. Redfarmer (talk) 19:46, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep No, I did not remove a prod tag. I removed a {{notability}} tag which said "If you are familiar with the subject matter, please expand or rewrite the article to establish its notability", which I felt I had done. The Medal of Honor is the United States military's highest decoration, and I believe that being a recipient of the medal makes one sufficiently notable. There are numerous reliable, secondary sources which cover this guy, and I will continue to add these references if given the time (the article is only an hour old). jwillbur 19:55, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Per WP:MIL notability guidelines. If he's a Medal of Honor winner (verified by the .mil reference) there are other secondary sources out there. It's just a matter of locating and improving the article.--Cube lurker (talk) 20:16, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Point taken. That does make it very clear. Withdrawing. Redfarmer (talk) 20:20, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Nomination Withdrawn - Redfarmer (talk) 20:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
When Work Disappears[edit]
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Non-notable book. Few Ghits actually related to this book other than Amazon. Fails to assert notability. Redfarmer (talk) 19:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - This is a huge book and made a big impact I'm still working on this article. Could use some help. futurebird (talk) 19:52, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keeping in mind the notability requirements at WP:BK, could you quote sources confirming the books notability please? Redfarmer (talk) 20:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
An excerpt from his new book, When Work Disappears: The World of the New Urban Poor, has made the cover of The New York Times Magazine. Other accolades, including an admiring profile in the New Yorker, are stacking up...[11]
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The result was Speedy Delete by Philippe, non-admin closure . TonyBallioni (talk) 20:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Art Kid Tommy[edit]
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No assertion of notability. Ghits only to various Myspace and Youtube pages. Redfarmer (talk) 19:29, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete I placed a speedy on it; I think A1 criteria applies here, as it provides very little context other than it being about a movie. Also, the issues per WP:FILM and WP:RS. Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 19:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. --VS talk 22:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 19:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alcides Moreno[edit]
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Living person notable for only one not so notable 'miracle' (falling from the 47th floor and living) Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 19:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep. I'll never understand why an incredible event like this isn't noteworthy. Every single player on the Washington Wizards has their own wikipedia entries with information down to who they're dating... but a man who falls 47 floors and survives doesn't deserve a short page about the incident? That's embarrassing and I think this is a good opportunity to, maybe just for a moment, raise the standard. This isn't an article about miracles, where they come from, or what they mean... just about a guy who defied disastrous odds and could still be talked about years later. This would a good article for other articles to link to, as long as an encylcopedia is allowed to contain more than just well known information. Don't shoot it down just because it's not important to you personally. Neo aa (talk) 20:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Non-notable, WP:NOT. If having an accident made you notable, most everyone in the world would have their own article at one time or another. Redfarmer (talk) 20:11, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You know anybody else had a 47 story "accident?" Guy didn't trip over a shoelace... he had an impact in to the ground from 500 feet up. If "everyone in the world" has experienced this, I'll completely concede to your point. Neo aa (talk) 20:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, well, I don't know anyone other than myself who's delivered a baby, performed in Boston's Symphony Hall and authored a Scarlet Pimpernel concordance. Doesn't make me notable either. Delete as failing WP:BIO and, as much as anything else, WP:BLP1E. To quote: "Wikipedia is not a newspaper. The bare fact that someone has been in the news does not in itself imply that they should be the subject of an encyclopedia entry. Where a person is mentioned by name in a Wikipedia article about a larger subject, but remains of essentially low profile themselves, we should generally avoid having an article on them." Ravenswing 22:10, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You know anybody else had a 47 story "accident?" Guy didn't trip over a shoelace... he had an impact in to the ground from 500 feet up. If "everyone in the world" has experienced this, I'll completely concede to your point. Neo aa (talk) 20:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Thats not the point. It is not notable enough to satisfy inclusion into this encyclopedia. It made news, for what, one day. Its not like a huge breaking news story, its just a trivial little thing which, in my opinion, has been blown entirely out of proportion. D.M.N. (talk) 20:57, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Per Ravenswing and WP:NOT. Wikipedia is very clear on this point. This is not a news blog, encyclopedic notability is quite different. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Wikipedia routinely reports news events - just see the home page which has a section for breaking news. The point of WP:BLP1E is that there should usually only be one article on such a matter - not a separate bio article too. But in this case, this seems to be the one article. The matter got widespread coverage in national newspapers across the world and there has been followup coverage too. If major newspapers find the matter notable then it is, by definition. Colonel Warden (talk) 23:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- See WP:NOT#NEWS. Notability is not established by being in the news for a brief period. Redfarmer (talk) 01:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. We've got an article about Vesna Vulović, whose only claim to fame is falling a great distance and surviving, so why not Alcides Moreno? Falling 47 stories and surviving seems pretty darned notable to me. Bryan Derksen (talk) 01:04, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You can't achieve notability for an article by pointing to another article, though. Besides, what makes that subject notable is coverage in the Guinness Book of World Records. If they weren't in that book, they probably wouldn't achieve notability. Redfarmer (talk) 01:47, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep as has the potential to be notable for the unprecedented surgeries he underwent. If is it must be deleted, at least redirect and merge into window cleaner. Btyner (talk) 02:44, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. To understand why this doesn't belong here is to understand the difference between a newspaper and an encyclopedia. Quale (talk) 03:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Falling out a window doesn't make you notable, even if you survive. Mostlyharmless (talk) 06:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete. Plenty of news coverage (in the US and internationally), but no real long-term notability... yet - per WP:NOT#NEWS and WP:BLP1E. Definitely appropriate for Wikinews.-h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 06:36, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete In future, many people may fall from the 47th floor and survive! Should we create articles for all of them? This article is difficulty to categorize. This type of articles are not suitable for a global encyclopedia. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 10:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep since nobody before has ever fallen and survived from anywhere near this height, it is notable, and if will remain notable as the first even if others do later. There may eventually be thousands of people who walk on the moon, but it won't make Neil Armstrong the less notable.DGG (talk) 00:14, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Moreno isn't remotely close to the record there; Vesna Vulocic is cited above, and there was also Nick Alkemade during WWII. Ravenswing 01:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong KEEP. Surviving a fall of 47 stories IS EXTREMELY NOTABLE. Rare of rare events. All "other freefall survivors" referenced on the Vesna Vulović page were distinct from this one in that they fell in environments that contributed to their survival through something external that cushioned their landing. Alcides Moreno fell 500 feet onto asphalt and/or concrete in an urban environment. Surviving this fall is clearly unique enough to note. Additionally noteworthy about this article is that his survival involved following training that may be of significant use for the safety of others, notably landing "without striking his head" and "'he knew what to do with the platform'— meaning, according to other window washers, lie flat and ride it down." Reference:http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/04/nyregion/04fall.html?em&ex=1199595600&en=a6cd1e14f02e1178&ei=5087%0A Palladeus — Palladeus (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Delete per HisSpaceResearch. D.M.N. (talk) 21:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The profoundly unusual survival of this man, despite what he experienced, not only makes the article noteworthy (and encyclopedic) at this time, but will keep it that way for many, many years. —Catdude (talk) 03:08, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep Notable event, national coverage. -- Kendrick7talk 22:49, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Merge. --VS talk 22:58, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
List of NWOBHM artists[edit]
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New Wave of British Heavy Metal is just a term for a period of heavy metal. There is already a category for British heavy metal groups, a list isn't needed to document British heavy metal bands from a certain time. Funeral 19:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - In my view a list like this is a load of cruft. D.M.N. (talk) 20:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect to New Wave of British Heavy Metal. A simple two-column section would be enough to contain this short list. Lugnuts (talk) 10:08, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Redundant through WP:CATEGORY. ScarianCall me Pat 23:09, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to New Wave of British Heavy Metal (includes redirection). I think that some of the sources in the NWoBHM article could be used as support for at least some line items in the list, and the list is not so long (particular with the 2-col suggestion) as to bloat the target article. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 17:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy close (though not that speedy)...WP:RFD is the second door on the left. — Scientizzle 06:57, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
List of Match Attax Cards[edit]
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Listcruft: just a list of Premier League Football related trading cards, no assertion of notability or context Mr Senseless (talk) 19:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It's a redirect. I think you may of wanted to nominate Match Attax for deletion maybe; or maybe discuss this at WP:RFD. This should be Speedy Closed as a result. D.M.N. (talk) 21:00, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy Delete WP:CSD#A7. JERRY talk contribs 06:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Dj Cammy[edit]Non notable DJ, fails WP:MUSIC Mr Senseless (talk) 19:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was nomination withdrawn, nobody expressing a wish to delete. --Stormie (talk) 01:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Sand county foundation[edit]
The result was Delete --JForget 01:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] A nightmare on elm street prequel[edit]
There has been no reliable source confirming this film's development for creation. Regardless, per WP:FILM, this would be included at the franchise article, as it would only be in the talk phase. Fails WP:NOTE, WP:V, WP:CRYSTAL, WP:NOR...just about anything you can think of given the fact that there are no sources to confirm a single sentence or word on the page (except maybe who will distribute it and what film it follows). BIGNOLE (Contact me) 18:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete all. Pigman☿ 07:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Edinburgh 2008[edit]
Reads like a flyer for a forthcoming conference. May or may not be notable in due course - violates WP:CRYSTAL at present. Suggest merging into one of the many articles related to the Orthodontic Technicians Association. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 18:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A handful of similar articles[edit]
The result was Delete --JForget 01:11, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Pro wrestling fan names[edit]
This article, comprised entirely of original research, is on a non-notable subject that has absolutely no encyclopedic value. Ice Cold Beer (talk) 18:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete --JForget 01:12, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Talk shows in pro Wrestling[edit]
There is no evidence that pro wrestling talk shows, as a whole, are a notable subject. Ice Cold Beer (talk) 18:40, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Carioca (talk) 00:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Brooklyn Arts Press (BAP)[edit]
Non-notable publisher. Less than twenty Ghits, most of which are from Myspace pages of people whose books they publish and web sites of said authors, as well as the official web site. Redfarmer (talk) 18:29, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. --VS talk 23:12, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] List of Turkish phrases[edit]
Lists of common phrases, ei tourist phrases, are not encyclopedic content per Wikipeda not being a dictionary. There used to be a common article called list of common phrases in various languages, but it was deleted and transwikied last year. The deletion was reviewed and the decision upheld in July 2007. Peter Isotalo 18:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Achill Rovers[edit]
Non-notable non professional football team. Mr Senseless (talk) 18:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Electric Retard[edit]
No obvious notability. PROD was added, but removed by article creator within a few minutes without explaining why the article was notable. No references or sources. CultureDrone (talk) 18:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep. --VS talk 23:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Postbeat Poets[edit]
Not sure about this one, never heard of this concept before. It reads like an essay and is completely unsourced, so I'm inclined to think it violates WP:NOR, as well as WP:V and possibly WP:N. Google only turns up 40 hits, only one or two are actually related to the topic. Mr Senseless (talk) 18:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Article in progress...was gonna finish before I saved but power glitch caused early save(?) Having trouble with refs linking so I manually inserted until I work out bugs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimcohn (talk • contribs) 18:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still working on it...just please don't delete it. you deleted my first attempt without giving me a chance to remedy the problems and this is a lot of work for a newbee. I'm taking out the opinion and hunting for more links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimcohn (talk • contribs) 21:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly what is the definition of "in-universe descriptions"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jimcohn (talk • contribs) 21:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Mr Senseless, when I google "post-beat poets I see "about 476,000"Jimcohn (talk) 02:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep in progress, and appears to be improving. Photo is a likely copyvio though. Mostlyharmless (talk) 05:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Editors,
Our thanks to you who are taking a serious look at our page and assisting us in making it useful to your viewers. That’s our goal too. We took in your feedback in over the weekend regarding source and citation and language and made a number of substantial changes to our entry, not the least of which was establishing, in short order, a clear scholarly trail from which this new field of poetics study is derived. This is the finished entry we wish to submit and we think it’s appropriate that it be published with Wikipedia as it is an underlooked cultural phenomena and not just an in-universe advertisement. Because we are new to this, please let us know if there is anything else we need to do. One thing we’d like more ordinary language information on is your licensing agreement and what is literally needed to get up the images we would like to use. Best to you all. JC Jimcohn (talk) 17:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You say "Jim Cohn wrote that." In fact, it was written by "Jimcohn." Are you suggesting that these are one and the same? Jimcohn (talk) 03:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Yes, that was precisely my assumption. The editor who was creating all these articles about Jim Cohn was Jim Cohn. I take it from your comments on my Talk page that you claim not to be. Fair enough, WP:AGF requires me to take you at your word. However, please allow me to point out that a) if you are not Jim Cohn and b) you feel Jim Cohn is encyclopedically notable, you are in violation of WP:U, which states It is not permitted to edit under the real name of a well-known living person unless either (1) you are that person, or (2) you aren't that person, but it is your real name, and you make it clear that you are not that person.
The result was redirect to album page. PeaceNT (talk) 07:29, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] "Get Blown Away"[edit]AfDs for this article:
Non-notable song, fails WP:MUSIC. Article says only reason for notoriety is that it is a "fan favorite" at concerts and admits it was never issued as a single. Only Ghits are for lyrics and guitar tab pages. Redfarmer (talk) 18:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. PeaceNT (talk) 07:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] From Petoskey to Prague[edit]
Non-notable book from recently Afd'd author. Unable to find any significant reviews under either title. Clarityfiend (talk) 17:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete --JForget 01:17, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Haze Lee Finn[edit]
DELETE per WP:Bio. His bands notablity is questionable. EndlessDan 17:45, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. Fram (talk) 11:02, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] SecurDisc[edit]No references, written like an advertisement, no overt assertion of notability --- lots of G hits, because "Securdisk" occurs in the part numbers and brochures of lots of drives --- but no news coverage, no ArsTechnica "how this thing works" articles, no Tom's Hardware mentions; I'm a security practitioner and this stuff has never come up. Disputed PROD. --- tqbf 17:27, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep - non-admin closure. D.M.N. (talk) 17:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Keith Ferguson[edit]
Delete NN, Vanity. Voice actor for some barely notable projects. EndlessDan 17:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was both articles speedily deleted per CSD A7. --Stormie (talk) 01:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Mounir Darbaki[edit]
This is an article about a 12-year-old soccer player that doesn't meet WP:BIO; I think the presentation has made people overlook the age of this individual. Repeatedly recreated after speedy deletion so I've brought it here to ensure that, if it goes, it stays gone. Accounting4Taste:talk 17:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was withdrawn by nominator -- lucasbfr talk 19:24, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Nostradameus[edit]
The result was KEEP. Nomination withdrawn. This is a non-admin closure. Whpq (talk) 17:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Power Quest[edit]
I am also nominating the following related pages because they all fail WP:MUSIC too:
The result was Delete. --VS talk 00:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] East Meets West (podcast)[edit]
Procedural nomination, failed prod. Does not meet WP:WEB notability requirements: has not been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works, won a well-known and independent award, or distributed via a medium which is both respected and independent of the creators. Article has been tagged requiring references since November 2007. Speedy deletion was declined in October 2006 with reason "podcast is hosted by notable people". However, inclusion requirements are that the web content itself must be notable, not just the producers (alternative would be to merge content into Tom Merritt and Roger Chang articles). Another reason for contesting prod on talk page was that due to the self-publishing nature of podcasts they have difficulty achieving notability requrements. This is an WP:OTHERSTUFF argument, and does not cover why this podcast is notable. There are many other shows out there that do meet notability requirements, and keep in mind only one of the three criterion are required for WP:WEB. Thanks. Breno talk 16:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
On a related note according to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Podcasting "For a podcast to be notable, it must have at least two of the following requirements:
The result was Delete. --VS talk 23:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Ryūzō Ishino[edit]Fails WP:BIO. Unnotable voice actor who only has a few bit roles to his credit (not worthy of the notable label given in the article) and no real information is given about him to establish notability. He is just one of many 81 Produce voice actors. Collectonian (talk) 16:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. --VS talk 23:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Chieko Atarashi[edit]
Fails WP:BIO. Unnotable voice actress who only has four bit roles to her credit and no other information about her except birth date and company. AnmaFinotera (talk) 16:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was withdrawn by nominator -- lucasbfr talk 20:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Aquaria (band)[edit]
The result was Delete --JForget 01:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Gears of War Weapons List[edit]
not of encyclopedic value. Mugunth(ping me!!!,contribs) 16:45, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was KEEP, nomination withdrawn. Non-admin closure. Whpq (talk) 18:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] AlogiA (band)[edit]
The result was Merge. Nota bene, I will just place the merge template and leave the rest up to those who are knowledgeable about the subject; it should be redirected when the merge is completed. Keilanatalk 16:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Manhasset Lacrosse[edit]
This was speedy deleted in May. Consensus at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 December 30 was to relist it. Issues to consider include not only notability but verifiability. Though the temptation will no doubt be to merge as at the deletion review, the "traditional dominance" stuff needs to be verified and sourced before it can be included. Chick Bowen 16:35, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep. Bduke (talk) 07:36, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Openad[edit]
Λua∫Wise (talk) 15:45, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Keep. Mangojuicetalk 05:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Felicity Shagwell[edit]
This article establishes no notability ( WP:FICTION) through reliable sourcing (WP:RS) and as such is just an in-universe plot repetition (WP:WAF) that is also duplicative of the plot section in the second movie article. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete with no prejudice against creation of a redirect. JERRY talk contribs 23:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Klo[edit]This article establishes no notability (WP:FICTION) through reliable sourcing WP:RS and as such is just an in-universe plot repetition (WP:WAF) that is also somewhat duplicative of the comic book articles. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:28, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep, as improved.--Kubigula (talk) 23:21, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] The Seldon Plan[edit]
non-notable band Mhking (talk) 17:12, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
--Goferwiki (talk) 04:36, 31 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The result was No concensus (default keep) based on discussion about notability. If the subject of the article has valid complaints about libel and vandalism, he should go to OTRS or request office action via the WMF email channels. We can't be expected to determine the right course of action, from hearsay without specifics, in this AfD. JERRY talk contribs 03:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] Nicholas Winset[edit]
WP:BIO1E One newsworthy incident, and other than tha, no assertion of sufficient notability over and above any college professor, which fails WP:BIO. Avi (talk) 16:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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