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Regarding my WP:BLPCRIME violation.

Sorry to bother you. I was unaware of me breaking WP:BLPCRIME when creating a controversy section on the Capcom Cup 2016 page. I was only trying to help the page as there was coverage on the topic on sites such as Polygon, Kotaku, etc. I had zero clue about this rule during October. However, there is a similar edit on the EVO 2016 page regarding a Mexican Super Smash Bros. for Wii U player in a similar situation as the Capcom Cup 2016 controversy. I did not do that edit, but I assume it was Maplestrip who did that. I apologize for the inconvenience and I hope you have a wonderful day. --ULTRA-DARKNESS^{:) 2 CHAT} 19:00, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm personally not too familiar with this BLP guideline either. I understand if that section lays undue weight on a specific part of the event as well. Now we're on the subject, however, I wonder whether it is necessary to hide all of the edits that have been made since. It's not like this information can't be find in reliable sources, and I can't imagine it being removed from, for example, talk page discussions either. ~Mable (chat) 19:31, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

In many jurisdictions, groping is sexual assault, which is a high stigma crime, so we have to be extra careful when writing about these events. Per WP:BLPCRIME, unless the person was convicted in a court of law, we should not be using Wikipedia's voice to indicate that they 100% committed a crime. Look at how reliable esports sources treated this event. Polygon and The Score Esports have articles on the incident that are carefully written to not always say that the incident 100% happened by occasionally using phrasing like "alleged groping", "reportedly described", or by leading with phrases like "According to statement by Capcom." They also both include a statement by the player in question defending himself. That's not to say that the player didn't do anything wrong, but in cases like this, where it's he-said, she-said, Wikipedia has to stick to using phrases like "allegedly" and "reportedly" or "according to" to avoid declaring people guilty of crimes they have not been convicted. Readers can judge for themselves what they think happened, given that said player was banned. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 03:04, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, most writers don't understand the nuances of our BLP policy, but we have to be careful when we write about living people, because they are real people that can be hurt if we mess up. The material at EVO 2016 isn't nearly as bad, because both people involved are public figures, the incident actually occurred during the event the article is about, and the sources seem to indicate that the incident actually did happen (i.e. even the other person in the incident didn't deny it, instead defending himself by saying he was blackout drunk). ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 03:04, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm glad to know I did alright - thank you for your edit to the article :) ~Mable (chat) 18:51, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

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British Presidency

Hello Patar knight. Given your comments at Rfd about a hatnote at Prime Minister of the United Kingdom#"Presidential" Premiership, you may be interested to know that the user that closed the discussion forgot to add one. You may want to rectify this. Thanks.--Nevé–selbert 02:07, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'm taking this note as support for the hatnote being added, so I've done so. Feel free to tweak the wording/phrasing. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:45, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

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Elena Nikolaeva (journalist)

Hi. There is already an article entitled, Elena Nikolaeva, without the dab. This article was created due to a confusion between Elena and Yelena. Currently there is a dab page which lists both Elena and Yelena, so a redirect from a dab title is unnecessary. Or am I missing something. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:30, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Unless you're claiming that Elena Nikolaeva is not a journalist, then it's a Template:R from unnecessary disambiguation (e.g. Michael Jackson (singer) redirects to where you would expect it to). As long as these redirects are not blatantly wrong or completely useless, they're harmless and normally kept at Redirects for discussion. Since the disambiguator is valid, and a page was actually created at the current title, I have reverted the change. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 02:36, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi. The page was a predecessor to this page. An article with the dab was created, even though the current article without the dab existed. But have moved it to RFD. Have a very Merry Christmas. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:40, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it was moved from this title to the current one, but as long as the redirect is valid, there's no reason for deletion. I'll !vote at the RfD you opened. Also, in the future, if someone reverts with an edit summary that the reasoning will posted be somewhere else, please don't be impatient and revert back within a minute of the edit with the justification that it isn't there yet. You yourself reverted my edit declining your CSD tag by telling me to look at my tal page, which you didn't do for two minutes. Hope your holiday season is great. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 02:45, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Actually, I used the term "will" meaning that I was taking an action and then would follow up with a comment. Please don't be impatient and revert without discussing. Your edit summary simply said "see my talk page", which might be interpreted as the rationale having already been posted. But I was incorrect in reverting a CSD tag, since you were not the article's creator, hence moving it to RFD. But I really don't mean to quibble, and sometimes in writing posts it comes off as that, when all we are both doing is attempting to explain our actions. I really do mean it when I say that I hope you have a great holiday season. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:52, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

And "see" can and often should be interpreted as "look for a post where specified soon". It's frustrating to be nearly done typing a reply to justify an edit you made a minute ago, and get the notification reverting that edit because there was no reply yet. If the delay was more than a few minutes, sure, but that wasn' the case here, and if you had been patient enough to wait half a minute, there would've been a reply waiting. Thanks, it's too easy to come off as standoffish on Wikipedia. In the end, we're all volunteers trying to improve the project. I've commented at the RfD, and also truly hope you have a great holiday season. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 03:05, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy Christmas/Happy Holidays

Merry Christmas, Patar knight! Or Season's Greetings or Happy Winter Solstice! As the year winds to a close, I would like to take a moment to recognize your hard work and offer heartfelt gratitude for all you do for Wikipedia. And for all the help you've thrown my way over the years. May this Holiday Season bring you nothing but joy, health and prosperity. Onel5969 TT me 23:49, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Deletion of Lloyd Williams

Why was the page Lloyd Williams deleted? It is not unambiguous advertising. Mr. Williams is a history maker and a legend in New York. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Embertime (talk • contribs) 20:56, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Replied to via email. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 21:09, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

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Hi there! I just wanted to make sure you saw my reply to you on the Ketchum Talk page. There's a few minor edits I'd like you to review if you have time. Thanks! Heatherer (talk) 18:23, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Bene busy, reviewed, see talk page. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 20:54, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

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Kendra Haste

Please don't go against me regarding this article, I am too much invested in it. Mark^Dask 01:19, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

I understand that it's frustrating to have images you added deleted. I've had the same thing happen to myself when the copyright status of images I was given was incorrect. However, copyrighted images are a legal issue that potentially opens up the Wikimedia Foundation and individual editors to lawsuits, so it's important that the non-free content criteria are followed. I've replied more fully at the FFD case. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:56, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Patar, and apologies for my condescension - I'm passionate about the subject - I have long thought Wikipedia visuals are unnecessarily pinched - I don't have a commercial interest in this - I just love the idea of Wikipedia being the best tour guide in the Tower of London. And don't you love her creations?

I have conceded the matter on the discussion page and gone back to the agent. I initially went begging to him for good images for "my" article, without giving a thought to the fact that I'm doing his job better than he is :) Mark^Dask 18:39, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Apology accepted. I truly think that Ms. Haste's art is pretty cool. I think I've solved the problem by finding free alternatives on Wikimedia Commons (here), and from Flikr, which I then uploaded ot Wikimedia Commons. So there's no further point in trying to use fair use images, since there are free alternatives (some of which are quite good, IMHO). ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:43, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

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Board of Student Advisers

Hi,

I'm writing from Harvard University. How can we have the Board of Student Advisers page created? This organization is one of three honor societies with the Harvard Law Review and Legal Aid Bureau. Both organizations have wikipedia pages, as does the Ames Moot Court Competition (which the Board of Student Advisers is in charge of ).

Best, Cameron — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cornellcam (talk • contribs) 14:28, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Kendra Haste FoP

Commenting here rather than at the FFD as the original uploader is obviously upset and no point inflaming the situation, but the replacement photos you've added almost certainly qualify as copyvios. CDPA §62 is the relevant legislation for freedom of panorama in the UK with regards to artworks, and is very explicit that FoP only applies if the work is permanently situated in a public place (my emphasis), which isn't the case here—according to her own website they're due to be removed in four years. As best I can tell through clicking through her website, the only one of all her works which satisfies the conditions for FoP is the elephant at Waterloo tube station—all the others are either in private collections or form part of temporary exhibitions. (Also, be aware that the one at the tube station presumably belongs to Transport for London, and TFL are notorious for bombarding the uploaders of images which they feel infringe their copyrights with threatening legal notices, which is why London Transport is illustrated with that peculiar 1920s image rather than the actual LT roundel logo, and why File:London Tube Map.png is intentionally so blurry as to be illegible.) ‑ Iridescent 20:04, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

@Iridescent: Is there any case law that defines what "permanently" means? The wire sculptures at the Tower of London are part of a 10 year placement there that started in 2011 [1]. The UK has one of the strongest freedom of panorama laws the world, and if we applied a "permanent means permanent" standard, there are many, many works that would presumably have to be deleted off Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons as copyvios (e.g. Rubber Duck (sculpture), anything by Christo, and many, many more). Based on my own research, what "permanently" situated means is not well defined (Page 85 (discussing Australian law, which is a copy of the UK's), especially when in premises that are open to the public, but not automatically so like the Tower of London which requires ticketing to enter (see "Circumstances in which this exception applies"). I would agree with your position if the artwork was only intended to stay there for a very short exhibition (e.g. less than a a year or two), but given it's there for a decade and is part of the works displayed at the Tower of London I think the pictures are fine in this case. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 15:30, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

The UK's FoP laws aren't actually particularly lax (although they're more flexible than the hardline holdouts like France). Rubber Duck and Christo would undoubtedly not be covered by FoP if exhibited in the UK, although the Rubber Duck design may be uncopyrightable owing to age. Commons generally takes the view that "permanent" for CDPA purposes is determined not by timespan, but by the intention when the work was sited at the location where it was photographed with regards to the lifespan of the work; thus, if I build a statue out of ice and put it on public display with the full intention of leaving it there until it melts, it's "permanent" for FoP purposes and I can't stop people making commercial use of pictures of it; if I build the same statue out of marble and display it at exactly the same location with the proviso that I'm only loaning it for 20 years and at the end of that period I want it back, it's a temporary installation and I retain the image rights. (There's some old discussion about a similar situation—also involving animal sculptures, incidentally—at Commons here.) This is actually quite well-tested, owing to the Fourth Plinth scheme (mentioned by Fae in the linked discussion). The matter gets even more complicated by the enforced harmonisation of FoP laws currently lumbering through the European Commission, which will almost certainly make FoP applicable to non-commercial use only, and thus incompatible with Wikipedia. (Even if Brexit actually happens, the time it will take will almost certainly mean the harmonisation will pass while the UK remains an EU member and thus the change will pass into UK law as well.) ‑ Iridescent 18:02, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

@Iridescent: The Commons section on the nuances of FoP is based on German law, and the second court ruling listed in the Germany section rules that work that was displayed in a publicly accessible area for five years counted as permanent for the purposes of FoP. So applying that nuance to the Kendra Haste works would make it qualify for FoP. There's also the issue of the works being commissioned by the Tower of London, which operates as museum, and the unclear the permanency requirement for works owned by an organization whose premises are open to the public (see ELs in above post). I'm not sure the 4th plinth is a good analogue because those statues were all planned to be put up significantly shorter than 10 years, and is in a public space and not premises open to the public. If EU law harmonization occurs, it's something we can deal with later.---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:23, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Martin Jenkins

Hi, yesterday I started a page about a musician (Martin Jenkins) that's been deleted as it transpires I can't build it online and just put some placeholder text in. I was just wondering if I could get the original html for the posting so I can complete it offline before trying again with a more complete article? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuneless (talk • contribs) 23:35, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

@Tuneless: Shoot me an email (link in sidebar). ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 15:30, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LockedPost

Could you please explain why https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LockedPost has not been approved?

If you could suggest what needs adjusting that would be much appreciated.

Thanks

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It was deleted under speedy deletion criterion WP:A7 because it appears to just be another run of the mill cryptocurrency service and WP:G11 because it used phrasing like "uncensorable" which seems boastful and unencyclopedic. In any case, you should submit any future changes through articles for creation, which will provide review on any submissions to make sure that if published, it should meet our guidelines. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:03, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

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This is pretty incomprehensible to me. Do you think it merits an article of its own? Rathfelder (talk) 17:03, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

It looks like a GSM standard such as GSM_03.38 and GSM 03.40. Feel free to PROD or AFD it if you feel it doesn't meet our inclusion standards. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:17, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks for your edits to 2017 Quebec City mosque shooting. I see that you have been making edits that are a violation of Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources policy. This includes newspaper social media pages. I hope you would agree and reach a consensus.119.148.3.14 (talk) 09:21, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Read your second link again. It's referring to sources that are self-published by unreliable sources. Claims by random website X, random blogger Y, random Twitter user Z are covered by that section. These tweets are from La Presse, which is a reliable source, not covered by that section.---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 09:29, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

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Steve Salis

Good morning! I'm writing about the deletion of the Steve Salis page last night. It was deleted for a lack of notability regarding the subject. An early version of the page, however, was edited by another Wiki editor who deleted lot of content about the subject's businesses and role in the Washington, DC restaurant scene that would have met this criteria. That earlier material was deleted because it was deemed as peacocking, even though it was extremely well-sourced and very similar to the entry currently posted by his business partner, Michael Lastoria (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lastoria). In fact, I tried to model the Steve Salis page on Michael's page to make sure I met the Wikipedia Criteria. I would like to try and rebuild the Steve Salis page with the original references (there were 27, including major media reports from the Washington Post and others) and am open to incremental edits to avoid the peacocking issue. Let me know if this is possible. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donaldwmeyer (talk • contribs) 14:43, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

You should be able to start a draft at Draft:Steve Salis. Please try submitting any completed draft through Articles for Creation to see if it meets our notability guidelines and sourcing policies. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 14:47, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Turing

Hello. I noticed that you added a photograph of Alan Turing to WP:CMP. I've attempted to formulate wording compatible with such an an image's inclusion, but I haven't come up with anything suitable. I don't think that "(Alan Turing pictured)" provides sufficient context, and given the term's informality, something along the lines of "named for computer scientist Alan Turing (pictured)" would be inaccurate. But explaining that the name is unofficial threatens to make the wording awkward and excessively verbose.
Do you have any ideas? —David Levy 17:23, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

@David Levy: Would just adding (namesake pictured) work? ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 17:37, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

It's better than any alternative that I've devised. Additional context is desirable, but lacking an elegant method of providing it, "(namesake pictured)" might be our best option. —David Levy 18:30, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

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High cuisine

I don't think the article on High Cuisine is the same as the page you redirected it to. It seems to be talking about food made with psychogenic substances that will make someone high. Natureium (talk) 21:46, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

The restaurant doesn't seem notable, and "High Cuisine" is an English translation of the French term "Haute Cuisine". If you feel the restaurant is notable, you can restore the article, though I'll likely be taking it to AfD in that case. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 21:49, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't think it's notable at all, and I tried to speedy delete it, so I'm fine with it being a redirect, but I don't think that what they were talking about is what it was redirected to. Natureium (talk) 22:31, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

It's not. I would normally delete and redirect in clear cut cases, but since another user in good faith already declined the A7 and G11 tags, I left the history in case it does become notable in the future sometime. In the case of the redirect, what the former content was has no bearing on where a redirect at that name should be targeted. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 22:51, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

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Steve Salis

Steve Salis has been deleted multiple times, it has been recreated using a lower case for the surname Steve salis to get around the page protection. Theroadislong (talk) 23:02, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Any thoughts? Theroadislong (talk) 16:13, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Was away. This seems resolved. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 07:59, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Kendra Haste photos

Hi Patar - you may recollect my wanting to use various images under "Fair Use" on the Kendra Haste page and I lost the argument. I'm pleased to say I was able to persuade Haste's agent, (copyright holder), to uplaod same images to Commons, (albeit in a lower resolution), and the article is beginning to blossom. I thought, given your kind input previously, you might care to examine the article and comment. Will be most grateful. Mark^Dask 14:59, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

You definitely should get her agent to send evidence of permission to OTRS, or the files will be deleted; some are still on her website. You should also move some of the images to an image gallery, since right now you're sandwiching the text in a really ugly way for readers. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 08:01, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Patar. The agent has in fact submitted to OTRS as required, some days ago, in all cases, (including for File:4.Haste-Baboon Troop at the Tower of London.jpg, which he since replaced at my request and the which you are now welcome to delete), and I have since, by agreement with Marchjuly, (who tagged all my images as c:Template:No permission), replaced his/her tags with c:Template:OTRS pending, as s/he recommended. You can check that on his/her talk page.

Now I do not know upon which device you are viewing the article but, on a PC, I dare imagine the majority would agree, I have taken what was a block text article to something far more appealing. I have invested hugely in promoting a particular sculptor because I was down in London with my son in July last year and we saw Haste's lions, (we were too late for the tour so that's all we saw). I forgot about the lions until 30th December when I, as New Page Reviewer, happened upon the Kendra Haste article. I marked it reviewed and attached a comment, (see this), after which I engaged. My interest in this article is to ensure that every person who visits the Tower has an answer as to why there are lions in the Tower. I also want everyone who chooses to google Kendra Haste can discover the heights an artist can rise to, even with so lowly a medium as chicken wire. I am invested in the simple idea that Wikipedia should promote the young, most particularly.

Now with this sincerely held belief I charged, (Quixotically), against such as yourself, Steele, Iridescent and others, with the hope you all would accept my "fair use" terms and, when you didn't, I went back to the agent and threw my hands up in the air. Thankfully he saw the commercial worth of my endeavours to his client and he has therefore given up all commercial rights to the images I asked for. Having said that, I think he also appreciates that my first and only interest is to promote learning - Wikipedia as a medium - do you?

I have just persuaded the agent to give up copyright on the images - OTRS pending - and now you want to talk sandwitch??? You call my article ugly? It seems perfectly okay on my Galaxy 4.

Let me make you a deal - I swear I will read everything - every word related to sandwiching of text ever printed on Wikipedia if you will just hold off on the subject until c:Template:OTRS received on my images. Mark^Dask 21:49, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

I've now introduced two galleries and actually it does looks better now, on my PC as well as my phone. Please let me know if that works for you. Thanks. Mark^Dask 11:47, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

@Markdask: That does look better on my phone now. Thanks! Good luck with the photos. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:19, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

@Patar knight: - what changed between your good wishes of 12 days ago and the hatchet job you just did to the Kendra Haste article? Why did you not take the hatchet to the article 12 days ago? What is wrong with an "Early life" section in principle? What is wrong with an "Influences" section in principle? Can you name any other article that you have said warranted so many tags?

In the Discussion page you contributed to, you suggested the article warranted just one image; let me quote you - I would suggest allowing the uploader to pick one image that is most representative of the artist's work (and which doesn't depict her) to keep on the article, and deleting the rest - after your hatchet job of today there remain 11 images in the article, including the "her" image. By dint of your decision today not to axe 10 of those images, do you not accept that you were wrong on that occasion, that only one image sufficed to properly represent the sculptor? Can you say what reason exists not to include the image of "her"? Given the 11 images are in consequence of my asking the agent to upload them, are we 'pedians not allowed to reach out for good images to those who can provide them?

Regarding the talk page of the Kendra Haste article - would you agree it is likely that Tooth-Dover is a ghost created by User:DanielRigal? I really do not give a damn. I showed deference when Tooth-Dover criticized the article and I remain amenable to fair criticism. I am not, however, amenable to hatchet jobs so I am going to revert all your edits, Pater, in the hope you will allow me at least some time to address your criticisms. You were wrong about the article needing only one image, (the article has more than 11), and you are wrong now to take the side of a deletionist who lacked the testicular fortitude to criticize me directly. Latitude Patar - allow me some. Mark^Dask 23:02, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Twelve days ago, all I did was look at the images, and I didn't think or want to do an in-depth analysis of the sources, which I did today because of recent deletions of content from the page which came up on my watchlist. The "Early life" section is entirely sourced to her website, which is not a reliable source and cannot be used per our biographies of living persons policy to cite anything but uncontroversial information only about herself. If independent third party sources mention a claim (e.g. the Royal College of Art), then it can be included as since it's verified. Adding citation needed tags where needed is a common occurence, and I do it when assessing items for inclusion on ITN (e.g. [2], [3]).

A strawman. I said that in the context of improper fair use in contravention of our non free content criteria, which is a legal issue, because having one fair use image might have been justified if there were no free alternatives. Once I discovered there were numerous free images available, I added several of them to the article to replace the fair use ones. No one is preventing or asking you to stop soliciting release of images under free licenses.

I don't believe Tooth Dover and DanielRigal to be the same person. Daniel is perfectly capable of editing the Kendra Haste page with his own account (which he has never done) if he had any issue with the article he wanted to take up without resorting to a throwaway. Just because people criticize your work does not mean they're automatically a sockpuppet. If you have any evidence besides this wild accusation of bad faith, feel free to file a request at sockpuppet investigations with evidence and a Checkuser might take up your case if it's strong. If not, please assume good faith because continuing to cast aspersions of misbehaviour at other editors will just lead to you being blocked for incivility eventually.

I'm going to revert the article back, because having unverified information on a BLP is against Wikipedia policy. You are always free and welcome to re-add any removed content if it is sourced to reliable sources. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 00:26, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Wow! I didn't see this discussion at the time and it is probably a bit too late to do anything about it now but, well, wow! I am more mystified than ever as to what could have triggered this craziness. I have not been playing any close attention to the Kendra Haste article up until now. Maybe I should be.

I am heartily amused by the accusation of a lack of "testicular fortitude" from somebody who makes seemingly confident accusations of sockpuppetry on user talk pages but doesn't take them to SPI.

Anyway, thanks for sticking up for me. --DanielRigal (talk) 19:23, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

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Kim Lane Scheppele

Dear Sir / Madam! The article You created seems to be Soapboxing, since it only deals with her continuous criticism of the Orbán-government, while she is allegedly an expert of this whole region. Please, visit the talk page of the article.--Ltbuni (talk) 19:04, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

I have replied at the talk page. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:20, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

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Wrongful Deletion of Esma Salemé

The page that you deleted for the CSD criteria was valid in all cases. It was substantially different than the version that was deleted via AFD, it had more content, more sources, and re-worded sentences, prose, and categories. This is a mistake, please take my suggestions into a consideration and revert the deletion. FiendYT ★ 23:30, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

The problem is that none of the new content deals with the reasoning behind the AfD, which was that ESMA doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. All the new information about awards that could be used in a case for substantial difference are sourced to her website, and don't seem to qualify someone under WP:MUSICBIO since they all seem to be local awards and not major music awards. The other new sources such as A&R Worldwide and the GigCity piece are also just pushing press releases from her website, and aren't reliable sources, while the extra sources on the anti-bullying video discuss an aspect of her career that was in the previous version deleted at AfD.

The only real argument that there is a substantial difference is the collaboration with Rich Kidd, but that is only sourced to a university student paper, and given that its two videos on her Youtube channel have a combined 1703 views, it seems unlikely that this would make her notable [4], [5]. If you can link a reliable source that covers that collaboration though, I'll restore it and send it to AfD. Otherwise, you should try deletion review.---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 00:34, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

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Thanks! Look forward to working with you. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 16:51, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

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Posting at the top at my talk page

Hi, on my talk page, some newbie just posted a message at the top. Can you copy-paste it to the bottom please? I'm on a Xbox one currently which doesn't have the copy-paste function, only my school computer can do it and it can be WP:BITEy to remove the question from that talk page. KGirlTrucker81 ^{huh? what I've been doing} 21:38, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

 Done. I don't think I've ever known anyone to edit from a console. Seems awfully inconvenient. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 22:13, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

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image deletion

You have recently deleted an image i added for the writer Auguste Corteau. The above writer is a personal friend and has no objection regarding the use of the photo you deleted. It was copied from his facebook account but it was still uploaded with his consent. Please tell me if you need some evidence for the above claims or inform me about the omission from my part.

Thank you, Hector — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hector salonica (talk • contribs) 19:23, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Please be aware that you can't copy images from the internet into Wikipedia/Wikimedia unless it has a compatible license or claims fair use. KGirlTrucker81 ^{huh? what I've been doing} 19:31, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials, for how Mr. Corteau can get the photograph onto Wikipedia. If you can get him to follow the steps at the link, then the picture (which is quite nice), should be able to be used on Wikipedia, provided that Mr. Corteau owns the copyright for that picture (as opposed to just rights to personal use). ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 19:57, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

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Don Meredith (politician)

Thanks for reverting my edit on Don Meredith (politician) I initially reverted the change as vandalism and later found that it wasn't that cut and dry. I appreciate that you took the time to look into it further. Thanks! Drewmutt (^ᴥ^) talk 04:18, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

No worries, cases like these are hard. More caution next time and you're good. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 18:56, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Heh

I was trying to find an exact link back to the Twitter account they took that other BoybandPH image from and I finally found it just to turn around and see you already deleted it. Just wanted to give my thanks for the quick action! Even if it did result in a little waste of time searching for the link --Majora (talk) 20:52, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Heh. I scrolled through Twitter at first too, but then resorted to Google Image Search. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 21:59, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

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Michael Moldaver

Question on Pictures.

You have removed my picture of Michael Moldaver. The owner of picture has given me the rights to use it. So I am not infringing any copyrights. Lloyd55 —Preceding undated comment added 23:42, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#Free_licenses. Photographs released for use on Wikipedia do not have a free enough license for use on Wikipedia, or any other Wikipedia projects, so must either be claimed under the non-free content criteria or deleted as a copyright violation. Since Justice Moldaver is alive, it's reasonably foreseeable that someone will take a free photograph of him, so an NFCC claim would not be allowed. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:04, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Further Edits'

My apologies. I am new to Wikipedia and I don't quite understand the nuances. Just to fill you in, I am editing this article for a class project. My goal is to raise it from a Stub article to something better (hopefully a C rating). I understand that you have an interest in this article as well. Perhaps collaboration is the best way to proceed. I am currently trying to find information and things to add to improve the article. Do you have any thoughts on good things I should include? I thought that I might add a few summaries of cases he decided while on the ONCA. For example, the Phillion decision.Lloyd55 (talk) 23:19, 26 March 2017 (UTC) Lloyd55]]

Heh. I'm in law school as well, and really really wish we had a class like this. The article is now already C, class, though it still needs more to be B or a GA. Definitely stuff on his SCC or ONCA judgements should be included, if their importance is cited to a secondary source. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:26, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

I do have some confusion about discussing his decisions. Is it inappropriate to just cite the case? I'm not sure why more sources are required. For some decisions, there has been commentary and articles written. I am working to include them as sources to help improve the "only sites primary sources" issue. --- Lloyd55(talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:39, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

It's okay to cite cases for quotations from Moladaver's decisions and literal paraphrases of those decisions per WP:BLPSOURCE. However the case itself doesn't demonstrate why the case is important, the background of the case, or the quality of the decision, the effects of the decision, etc. which has to be done through secondary sources. For our readers, it's not clear why these cases appear on the article as opposed to the numerous other decisions that Justice Moldaver wrote. Essentially anything that is not obviously and readily apparent from reading the case has to be cited to a secondary source or else it can be removed as original research. I would also recommend that text not about Moldaver such as the background and other decisions, should either cut down and moved into their respective articles (e.g. Reference Re Supreme Court Act, ss 5 and 6) or be used to create new ones (e.g. R v McKenzie). ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:56, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

I know that the list citation which I added is just a list to his decisions; however, by looking at the list you can see which cases have been cited most frequently. Does this not accomplish the task of citing it? Lloyd55(talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:32, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

It's WP:OR, and may change based on what legal database service you use. Looking at the link and sorting by most cited, there's several top hits that aren't on the list (e.g. Torbiak). Most cited also doesn't equal important. Without doing extensive research into these cases, some of them have flags that show subsequent unfavourable treatment, which means their long-term notability, despite high citation numbers is unclear. This is why we need secondary sources to justify including cases, because the existence of reliable secondary sources is a rough indicator for how important the cases are.---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 14:51, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

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Why did you delete Peter A. French page?

You deleted Peter A. French page claiming a copyright infringement and citing a footnote to his cv information that is provided on the Arizona State University site where he is an emeritus professor. It is not a copyright infringement. If you look at the pages of any number of other current and former university professors you will see that their cvs are cited at their university sites as well. This is a malicious deletion. Restore it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nscotgda (talk • contribs) 21:53, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

It lifts entire passages out of the CV, faculty profile, and liberally uses long quotations from other authors, all of which are copyright violations. It's acceptable to use a CV or faculty profile to source stuff in limited circumstances for uncontroversial claims (see: WP:BLPSPS), which many other articles do. What the other articles do not do is blatantly plagiarize from CVs or faculty profiles. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 23:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

You need to get a better understanding of plagiarism. It occurs when a writer uses the words of another writer and does not provide an adequate reference of the source. As it happens, the person who wrote and submitted the page on Peter A. French is his son and he has the right to use material on his father's cv. Also the cv is not the property of Arizona State University and is not copyrighted by that institution. It is the property of Dr. French and he posts it on the ASU site that is made available to him and other emeritus professors. However, in order to clear up any of these sorts of issues, we will rewrite and resubmit a new page that does not use what you claim are lengthy quotes. A previous reviewer insisted that such quotes be provided, so it looks rather like you reviewers are just running this around in circles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nscotgda (talk • contribs) 03:23, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

The draft lifted several paragraphs more or less word for word from the CV, which only appears as an external link. The content from the CV has no inline citations to indicate that it was taken from the CV, and is was "sourced" to other sources. Even avoiding the copyright issue, this would be inadequate referencing. If Prof. French's son did not write his father's CV, then the draft was plagiarism, he did, then it was self-plagiarism.

You're correct that the CV is not the property of ASU, it's the copyrighted property of Prof. French. If he wants to release his CV under a suitably free license, he is free to follow the steps at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Please note that donating the text does not mean that a draft will be accepted, the draft still has to show via reliable sources that the subject passes either the general notability guideline or the notability guideline for professors. I don't see anyone in the reviewer comments insisting that multiple paragraph-long quotations be provided, but per our manual of style section on quotations, quotations from copyrighted text should should be brief and paraphrasing is preferable. We're not a place to place flattering review and commentary on Prof. French, but if they're from reputable sources and appropriately cited and paraphrased, that could be the basis for an article. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 04:25, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

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Page Listing

Dear Patar, this is Guitarhistory writing - I am hoping you are willing/able to assist in the page creation of Ariel Stevenson. All of the references are listed & cited. There are many additional media coverage & write-ups I plan to list, additionally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guitarhistory (talk • contribs) 01:52, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

If you have sources to add, you should add them to the article. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 02:06, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

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speedy keep of Ovechkin

Hi Patar Knight,

Just to be clear, I was the one who said over at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2017_April_3#Ovechkin that I didn't understand the nomination; I signed that as IP 84.3.187.196 and forgot to add "User:SimonTrew as IP" which I usually do when editing from a tablet where I do not particularly want the tablet to know my Wikipedia credentials (call me paranoid. I don't care if it knows my IP address.) The thing is, it has an awful habit of "autocorrecting" things, leading for one thing to ridiculous edit summaries by substituting the one I have written, when I click "Save Page", for one I put on an edit I made seven months ago for a completely different article and things like that (and introduces spelling errors into my comments at RfD and so on: I'm on me desktop now so any errors are all my own) so I don't trust it too much with passwords etc.

Before posting, I checked the history of that article and seems to me nothing wrong there just you got the wrong forum, essentially reverted yourself and then brought to RfD. Why it was unclear to me is that having kinda fixed your mistake why you didn't just WP:BOLDly do what you suggested but then brought it to RfD and then a short while after added the SIA content to it. No doubt all in good faith, but it really puzzled me exactly what you were proposing, I suppose what I mean is it just muddied the waters again after you had cleared them yourself.

Then to say speedily keeping your own nomination with the closing remarks "if anyone disagrees, take it to my talk page", I am sorry but that could sound like fighting talk. At least around where I grew up, "if you don't like it, we'll take it outside" is definitely fighting talk. I am sure it was not meant to sound that way, but I think it would have been better to leave the nomination open, explain further why a thickshit like me couldn't understand exactly what you were proposing, and let someone else close it. Or, just "withdraw" the nomination and then speedily do what you wanted. I believe WP:INVOLVED has something to say, and other admins have lately marked some closures thus, although that seems a recent innovation to me (to mark thus).

I have no problem with the action you took to improve Wikipedia, I just think you went about closing your own nomination wrongly, since "withdrawn" would probably have made more sense than speedily keeping your own nomination with remarks that sound like "if you don't like it, tough". I have as you suggested taken this discussion to your talk page, but at Wikipedia, the encylopaedia that anyone can edit, it perhaps is not the best idea to tell other editors where they can take it. It sounds aggressive to me, although having "known" you from RfD for a fair while, I'm sure you didn't mean it that way but the opposite, "I'm happy to discuss it". Still, your talk page is not the right place for that but the RfD itself, which would have been open were you not to have closed it.

I do not need to WP:AGF because I know you are in good faith, and I sincerely thank you for all your hard work at WP. I for one sincerly appreciate it, and thanks are something I should say more often. I can understand that you would want to sort it out as quickly as possible, but no great harm would have come from getting a consensus or just marking the nomination as "withdrawn".

See you soon at RfD. Thanks once again for all your hard work, I sincerely appreciate it.

Si Trew (talk) 19:12, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

I saw in the history that another editor had converted the redirect to surname SIA. In the past where I've unilaterally dones these BOLD moves, I ended up getting reverted and then taking it to RFD anyway, so I decided to go straight to an RFD. I re-added the SIA content for convenience of RFD participants to see what I was proposing to be moved to the new title. Definitely did not meant for my closing statement to be taken that way, so I'll amend it. Great to see you back. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 14:04, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Merge discussion

You may be interested in this merge discussion. Regards, Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 15:34, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Replace links to "Wikipedia:Wikipedia:..." with "Wikipedia:..."

Per your participation in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 March 20#Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Five pillars, you may be interested in a related request at Wikipedia:Bot requests#Replace links to redirects with "Wikipedia:Wikipedia:" in their titles. Steel1943 (talk) 16:21, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Leuphana (disambiguation)

I was considering seeking the deletion of this page, but I thought I'd get your opinion, as I found your input helpful on Sphering the other day. It seems to be adequately covered by hatnotes. What do you think? — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 04:31, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

From a quick look, it looks like Leuphana might be the ancient town for Luneburg. I would consider adding that as a third entry to the DAB, but it wouldn't need to be included in the hatnote, since it's explained at length in the text. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:05, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

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DYK for 2016 League of Legends World Championship

On 9 April 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 2016 League of Legends World Championship, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that 43 million unique viewers watched SK Telecom T1 defeat Samsung Galaxy in the the finals of the 2016 League of Legends World Championship? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/2016 League of Legends World Championship. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, 2016 League of Legends World Championship), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Jewish diaspora

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Jewish diaspora. Legobot (talk) 04:24, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Your assistance please...

You closed the discussion on the redirection of ((VAKHIDOV)) SOBIT (ABDUMUKIT) VALIKHONOVICH, and ((SHARIPOV)), RUKNIDDIN FAYZIDDINOVICH. Nominator's deletion rationale was flawed. Champion wrote: "I don't see how these are helpful given the redundancy of the use of the brackets, this exact stylization is not mentioned in the target."

I think Champion is claiming they aren't likely targets for an internet search.

Prior to the spring of 2006 the USA had kept the identity of the Guantanamo captives a secret -- just like a totalitarian terror state. In Argentina and Chile, human rights workers documented how security officials would "disappear" people they suspected of sympathizing with those wanting to overthrow the regime. Having them mysteriously "disappear" was seen as more terrifying to those who might sympathize with the terrorists, than an open trial -- particularly since a trial might, after all, acquit them, since most of them hadn't committed a crime.

Up until the spring of 2006 the USA followed the example of totalitarian terror states. But a court order forced the DoD to publish a list of the captives' names. On April 20th, 2006 the DoD published a list of the 558 individuals whose "enemy combatant" status was reviewed in 2004, and on May 15th, 2006, the DoD published a list they claimed were all of the 759 people who had been held at Guantanamo. (This list was actually a lie, or misdirection, as they did not include half a dozen individuals the CIA held there...)

Anyhow, although these redirects are odd looking, they are, in fact, how the DoD listed these two men's names. In May 2016 this list was published thousands of times. I was working on Guantanamo related topics, at the time, and my google news alert gave me, no exagerration, thousands of hits. This list is still being occasionally republished, as-is, even today.

What I think this means is that, without regard to how funny looking these redirections are, they nevertheless are terms that someone might perform a web search for. Therefore, I request restoration. Geo Swan (talk) 11:44, 13 April 2017 (UTC)