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Errors in the summary of the featured article

Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Errors in "Did you know ..."

Current DYK

Chinese characters

• Just putting a notice here that the image of oracle bone script used in the Chinese characters DYK is not the one used in the article itself. I think each are a better fit for their respective position, and the one in the article has actually been on the Main Page before. Since they serve the same function, I hope this is okay with everyone. If it's a problem, please feel free to replace the image in the article with the one in the DYK. Thanks! Remsense诉 00:09, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

It is DYKCRITERIA that the image used must be in the article WP:DYKIMG. Bruxton (talk) 00:30, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

That's why I'm posting this—I hate to invoke this, but this seems like a potential WP:IAR case, as I think it's the best presentation. Would you like me to swap out the image in the article for today, then? Remsense诉 00:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, that shouldn't have happened. I've replaced it with the infobox image. RoySmith (talk) 00:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

@RoySmith I put the DYK image in the article for the time being. Can you please revert? Remsense诉 00:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by "in the article for today". RoySmith (talk) 01:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

The image for the hook is now in the article. Remsense诉 01:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

OK, but what I'm getting at is, when you say things like "I put the DYK image in the article for the time being", that sounds like, "and as soon as its off the main page, I'm going to change it again". Am I interpreting that correctly? RoySmith (talk) 01:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

That's what I'm going to do, because it's not the best image for the article: it's too tall. Remsense诉 01:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I figured. Nah, I'm not going to play that game, sorry. RoySmith (talk) 01:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry that I've come off like I'm trying to game something; I just wanted to weave an ideal outcome from an initial mistake that I made. I know you're not going to do this either, but I would genuinely prefer my hook be removed from the front page if the image can't be changed. Remsense诉 01:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Pulling a hook is a bit of work. Pulling the lead hook with the image is a lot of work, and introduces substantial risk on its own because unlike other hooks, it has to be replaced (as opposed to just running with one less hook for the rest of the day) and replaced immediately, so we'd need to review a new hook and image as a rush job. There's got to be something seriously wrong to justify that. I don't know where things went off the rails (did we make a mistake reviewing it, or did the article change after the review was completed?) but at this point, it's all about risk management, not worrying about whether this is the optimal image. RoySmith (talk) 01:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

I made a mistake picking an image that wasn't in the article. It was missed, but it's my fault for only bringing it up now. This was all my best attempt to fix that in the best way for both the article and the main page. Remsense诉 01:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

@RoySmith I've already bothered you enough, but can I get a quick confirmation that the image won't be changed, so I can put the other oracle bone photo in the article? Sorry. Remsense诉 01:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

If some other admin wants to do this, that's their prerogative, but I've done what I needed to do to fix the immediate problem so, no, I'm not making any more changes. RoySmith (talk) 01:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

@RoySmith: why did you not permit IAR here? Levivich (talk) 02:26, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

•  Not done The image on the main page matches the article image. All is good; no error is present. Schwede66 01:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

  I would strongly prefer the original image, but I've already created too much trouble for people. Remsense诉 01:54, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

  If an admin decides to put the original image back, please also restore this revision of the page. I don't want to have the worse version of both the article and the main page stuck there the entire day. Remsense诉 02:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Radio Yerevan jokes

... that the Armenian Radio jokes are neither about radio nor are they Armenian?

What the article actually says is "They are not really related to Armenian culture, nor do they have much in common with radio specifically." This uses the weasels "not really" and "much" and so this is not a definite fact as required by WP:DYKHOOK. Having read the article, the hook might equally be turned about and presented in the opposite way:

... that Radio Yerevan jokes are presented in the style of provincial radio and Armenian stereotypes are often the butt of the joke?

Note also that the title of the article is plural contrary to WP:PLURAL. See Joke, Ethnic joke, Hindu joke, Polish joke, riddle joke, etc.

Andrew🐉(talk) 06:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Right, so, WP:WEASEL doesn't mention what you're talking about here. It's a guideline about attribution. Also, reading the source reveals exactly what we mean: they have nothing to do with radio, and were popular among Russians, who were using Armenian riddles as a punching bag source of inspiration. So, they were neither about radio nor Armenian. Perhaps, if you're interested in correcting errors, you could help out by updating the article. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 06:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy pings to @Szmenderowiecki, Piotrus, and AirshipJungleman29. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:16, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

theleekycauldron, Andrew Davidson, the original says this:

This last genre [Armenian Radio joke] may be confusing for an outsider. These jokes have nothing to do with radio, which in Soviet times was as severely censored as any other means of mass communication. They are also not really Armenian.

So I reflected exactly what Draitser was saying: not about radio, not really Armenian.

As for WP:PLURAL, I wasn't exactly aware about this, so maybe yeah, I can change it to singular, though it's weird to my ear as a native Russian speaker. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 14:17, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Also, the other suggested hook is a non-starter, nobody will click on it and besides it's false. Armenian Radio is not presented in a provincial radio style, and it hardly ever imitates it - they do pretend we have a radio studio but that's kind of a plot device. It can imitate Armenian stereotypes, but that's a different thing and it really only was done because the radio is Armenian and not, say, Kazakh. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 14:30, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

IBM Advanced Computer Systems project

... that although it was never built, Lynn Conway notes that IBM's ACS-1 would have been the premier supercomputer of the era?

"Would have been" is a counter-factual weasel and so this is not a definite fact as required by WP:DYKHOOK. Conway was part of the project and so is not independent. And it's easy to make grandiose claims for projects that were not completed. And what does "premier supercomputer of the era" actually mean? An era suggests a long period but computer technology has advanced rapidly per Moore's law which has a doubling every two years. Even if it had been completed, it would soon have been overtaken by newer models. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy pings to @Maury Markowitz, SL93, AirshipJungleman29, and Amakuru. I also have no idea what "premier" means and don't think such a claim from someone within the project is admissible. pulled as a non-viable hook. If someone wants to come up with and verify another one before this set cycles, they're welcome to, but the article needs to be cleaned up to void the same claim. Or, if it turns out there's no error, we can restore it, but that seems unlikely to me at this time. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

If we do not do it "before this set cycles", what happens then? Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Another admin would be free to reopen the nomination, although i personally would recommend against it given that it has already had a substantial run. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

I would be happy for it to reappear, but at the point it left, so from 8:23 onwards.--Launchballer 18:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Applying the faint hope clause: "... Lynn Conway produced a simulator for IBM's ACS-1 that was used to develop out-of-order execution?

Lynn passed only days ago, it would be a shame to not mark this event with some mention of her earliest work. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron: still out there? Maury Markowitz (talk) 16:54, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

@Maury Markowitz: Hey! While the hook certainly points to a notable achievement, I think it would fail on WP:DYKINT grounds. I don't see how the hook leave[s] the reader wanting to know more. Would you have any other suggestions? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

The project seems to have had lots of interesting human factors. Apart from Lynn Conway (who is currently posted at ITN's RD), there was a feud for design control between Amdahl and Bertram while Earle was remarkably difficult to work with and got beaten up!

Conway had to understand the logical design to simulate it but found this difficult as the different engineers had their own shorthand notations which were not consistent and they kept these close to their chest as a form of self-defence.

This all seems quite like Wikipedia where editors feud over design decisions like infoboxes and insist on using their preferred citation and ENGVAR styles.

It's too late in the day to turn this into a hook but what really matters for the long term is the article.

Andrew🐉(talk) 21:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Grammar

... that while filming the Doctor Who episode "Boom" some takes lasted up to seven minutes?

This phrasing implies that the takes in question were filming an episode of Doctor Who. It could be rewritten to ... that in the filming of the Doctor Who episode "Boom"… or … that during the filming of the Doctor Who episode "Boom"… ꧁Zanahary꧂ 17:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

fixed :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

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