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Hello, I am editing the "Meretseger" page, but I do not know how to make a reference. I want to reference "An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary Volume 1 by E. A. Wallis Budge p.311" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.187.66.104 (talk) 00:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

You are probably going to want to consult WP:EASYREFBEGIN. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:24, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for both, Tenryuu! Turns out, the information I was going to type is already there. But at least now I know how to reference! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.187.66.104 (talk) 00:29, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Don't forget the year of publication and edition number when you click the "Cite" button in the editing tool you're using, and make sure you choose the best template to fill in (web/book/news/journal are the most commonly used ones). I couldn't see any Vol 1 on Google books when I looked. Maybe it wasn't called that at the time - only after Vol II was produced?

If you are likely to want to cite different pages of the same publication within one article, you might also like to read WP:REFNAME which allows you to allocate a memorable name to your citation (e.g. Budge1), then call it up multiple times, and simply add page numbers afterwards, like this , and then reuse it with a different page number like this. Note that the citation only appears once in the reference list, which avoids the horror of multiple citation entries to the same work. I was unclear which precise page you were referring to, but good luck anyway! Nick Moyes (talk) 00:46, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Well, technically, it isn't called 'Volume 1'. The cover says "E. A. Wallis Budge An Egyptian Hieroglyphic Dictionary In Two Volumes Vol. 1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.187.66.104 (talk) 01:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Nick, although I use the Rp template in the same way that you do, I notice that our use is "not recommended"; so rather than {{rp|47}} it should be {{rp|page=47}} (though gods know why). If this work really has volume numbers and if we want to refer to volume 1 page 47, then perhaps {{rp|at=1:47}} or {{rp|at=vol. 1 p.47}} or similar. Trying the first: and the second. -- Hoary (talk) 01:15, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

References

@Hoary Thanks for that. I wasn’t aware of that formatting preference; I’ll have to re-read the {{rp}} documentation and revise my working practices. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:55, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, I too hadn't been aware of it till a few minutes before posting the message above. And I only looked at Template:Rp/doc because I wondered if it would say anything important or useful about adding volume numbers. I notice that (i) it doesn't even start to say why plain numbers are "not recommended", and (ii) its own first titled section ("Function") uses plain numbers for every one of its examples. The disrecommendation was added by Matthiaspaul in September; it's somehow related to "AMA style", but I don't understand why we should care about AMA style (or, if this matters, why the examples provided ignore this); I am of course open to persuasion, and if he thinks it's important, perhaps Matthiaspaul could add a brief explanation to the doc. -- Hoary (talk) 23:09, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

{{rp}} and {{r}} were completely reworked and significantly extended back then. One of the many improvements were added explanatory tooltips (as not everyone seems to have understood the display notation used by the template). Another change was that the various page parameters are now also supported for the default display format, whereas, previously, they were only supported for the alternative AMA format. This helped to improve the usability of the template, as well as the compatibility and consistency with other citation templates.

Now, in order to improve the formatting of the displayed page information and to provide even more specific tooltips, the template needs to know if the given location information is for a single page, a multitude of pages or for other location information. This can be derived from which of the various named parameters for location information is used (|page=, |pages=, or |at=).

The old syntax using the unnamed parameter works as well (and, for backward compatibility, will continue to work into the long-term future), but if it is used, some formatting cannot be applied and the wording of the template's tooltip will have to remain somewhat more vague.

This is why the usage of the unnamed parameter is no longer recommended.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 00:03, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Matthiaspaul. I think I understand ... kind of. Some multivolume books have continuous pagination (such that if vol 1 ends on page 458, then vol 2 starts on page 459), but they're in a minority. For a multivolume work whose pagination starts afresh in each volume (as it normally does), one has to specify volume number as well as page number. What would you say is the best (or least bad) way to use the Rp template for both volume and page number? -- Hoary (talk) 03:49, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I think the volume info belongs into the base citation (i.e. |volume=2 if you use CS1), so you could use |page=438 with {{rp}}. If, in the same article, you would also cite from the same work's |volume=1, this would normally go into a separate base citation. This would also ensure that the metadata for the two base citation(s) is complete.

Alternatively, you could omit the volume info in the base citation (if you want to combine multi-volume works into one citation). I would then use |at= with {{rp}}, i.e. |at=V1:128 and |at=V2:438. However, there is no established superscript notation for volumes. Also, the metadata of the base citation would then lack the volume info. To avoid that, you could specify something like |volume=1–2 in a CS1/CS2 base citation.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 18:47, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

A four-column list converted to a table?

Is there a way to turn a four-column list which uses the "div-col" template into a sortable table with the same four columns? For example, I'd like to turn the contributions list on my user page here into a table with sorting parameters, but automatically filling space in the four-column format. I'm not having much luck with finding sample coding I'm looking for in the specific template description pages. CYAce01 (talk) 04:55, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@CYAce01: If I'm understanding you correctly, you want to have one table, but displayed as four columns? To my knowledge, that's not possible, and the section on your user page looks fine as it is. A word of advice: you really don't have to be keeping track of which pages you've edited because you'll start racking up pages so fast it's not that worthy of your time to keep track anymore. Also, see WP:EDITCOUNTIS. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 09:32, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

...and for pages you’ve actually started, you might like this report. For a list of the pages you’ve edited the most, see this report. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:48, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@CYAce01 I am not sure if there’s a simpler, more elegant way, but my own approach to that problem would be to create and polish the table in Excel and then use one of our tools to convert it to source code. I did precisely that for the sortable species table at List of species and habitats of principal importance in England. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:41, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: and @Nick Moyes: Thanks for the great, timely responses and advice. My contributions list on my user page started as a simple link system so I could quickly go to my projects and keep working. The list just grew from there. After getting the list to its current state, I wanted to be able to sort alphabetically (without re-writing the list) and use the new research as a learning exercise to keep building my user page. But, if it's not possible, well...now I know (still something I can add to the tool belt). I probably won't record after 250 unique pages or so. Also, I use Excel for various wikipedia info. Therefore, it sounds like I might be on the right track! Thanks again! CYAce01 (talk) 06:35, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@CYAce01 You’re welcome. One other thing you could try is copying an existing table of roughly the same size from somewhere, and using WP:VE to copy/paste in the appropriate content to each cell. I agree with you in that it can be worthwhile doing these things purely as a learning exercise. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:54, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Ironically, I've been in my user sandbox for a couple hours, researching/experimenting with coding the table in question, borders, etc. Not much is finalized so far, but it's relaxing! Just one big puzzle! CYAce01 (talk) 09:11, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

How to invoke the "[a]" note feature

Hello, the note template "efn", how do you get the hatnote "[a]" to appear, so that when you move the mouse pointer to it for PC or tap on the "[a]" on a touchscreen device, a note would appear. Polygork (talk) 09:56, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Polygork, Template:Efn is the way to do that. If you read the documentation on that page it should give you a clear idea of how it works. ThadeusOfNazereth^{Talk to Me!} 10:12, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

ThadeusOfNazereth^{Talk to Me!} I've checked the page, read through them and used one of them on the article I'm editing, but it's still citing an error like this: "Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character " "." How do/will I remove/rectify that? Polygork (talk) 20:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Polygork: If you tell us what article you're editing, we'll be better able to diagnose the error. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 22:16, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@ClaudineChionh: Actually, they're two but of the same topic: the 2021 CAF Women's Champions League and 2021 CAF Women's Champions League qualifying. That error is there right now. Polygork (talk) 09:26, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

RfD

Hello! So I recently created an RFD for the redirect "MediaTek Camera Application" and since I put it up it has been relisted twice, both have resulted in no discussion on the redirect. I'm fairly sure twice is the max amount of times you can relist something. So since there has been no discussion on the redirect what will happen to it? Will the redirect be soft-deleted (treated like an expired PROD or a stale AFD discussion) or will it just be determined as no consensus? Link to the most recent relisting of the discussion is here. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:21, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

If this isn't the right place to ask this, please direct me to the appropriate place so I can get my answer. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:37, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hmm. At Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#The guiding principles of RfD, it says, "If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete." According to that, it should've just been deleted instead of repeatedly relisted; not sure what's going on. Maybe raise the issue at Wikipedia talk:Redirects for discussion, @Blaze The Wolf? Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 19:01, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Wikignome Wintergreen: Ah ok, so should I just list the redirect for deletion since the default result for a deletion nomination is delete? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:10, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf - good question, but I have no idea what the rule is about non-admin closing your own nomination (since that's basically what you'd be doing). If no one else speaks up about it here, I'd recommend either asking on the RfD talk page, or you could just be bold and do it, and see if anyone yells at you (in IT that's called a "scream test" ;) ). Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 19:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Wikignome Wintergreen: _{Honestly that's how I test how a lot of template and stuff on Wikipedia, I mess with it and see if it yells at me} Alright! I'll ask at the RfD talk page and if no one responds then I'll do a scream test. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:55, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: It's not really written down anywhere, but in my experience if no-one comments on your discussion what you proposed is treated as unopposed, and the closer will do whatever you suggested in your nom statement, be it deletion, retargeting, disambiguation etc. If it's not clear what you wanted to happen then it will be closed "no consensus" and the status quo will remain. I wouldn't recommend closing your own discussion, wait for someone else to do it. 192.76.8.80 (talk) 16:18, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Yep, someone at the RFD talk page told me. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:39, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Spitting a page, talk page discussion

Hello,

I was reading the page on Smart contracts and as I am interested in the technology, I noticed that one of the subsections, "Difference from smart legal contracts" should be split to create a separate page, entitled "Smart contracts".

As the existing page is related to blockchain/crypto, I didn't to jump in an act straight away, instead posting my question on the talk page. Could someone please give advice on how to, either, go about getting the discussion going on the page, or, alternatively, answer my question here?

My basis for the need for a new page is that I think users could be easily confused by the current page, and the creation of a new page would reflect guidance from the UK Law Commission.

Look forward to a response! WonderingCamel (talk) 15:19, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

WonderingCamel I've answered on the talk page. Usually WP:TH is not the place for content discussions, but rather how to edit Wikipedia. All the WikiProjects that Smart contracts is associated with, would be good places to ask! Happy ledgering! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:45, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Dispute over year of birth

In the article Shivangi Joshi there is a dispute over her year of birth. Majority of the sources indicate that she was born in 1995 but few sources indicate that she was born in 1998. According to her recent interview she said that the year in her Wikipedia article is wrong and she was born in 1995, but the interview is in YouTube. We're currently discussing it in the article's talk page because of the frequent edit war. I want to add both the year in the article per WP:DOB. But I'm not sure how to include both the years in the article. Should I do it how it is done in Shehnaaz Gill's article? I don't know if this a correct platform to ask this question. If it is not then please tell where should I ask this question. The editors who are discussing this including me don't have enough knowledge to solve this issue. Should I start a RfC or is there a better option? Eevee01^(talk) 15:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Eevee01 The talk page is the right place. An option is WP:Third opinion if it cannot be settled. Alternatively, considering this is WP:BLP you can omit the birth year entirely. It's not essential information, and the harm of spreading misinformation is higher. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 16:30, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Shushugah Since more than 2 editors are involved in the dispute (other editors didn't reply in the talk page) I don't think third opinion is the right place. I think BLP noticeboard is a better option here or should I go to the dispute resolution noticeboard? Eevee01^(talk) 06:06, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Eevee01 WP:BLPN does not make sense considering none of this seems to be libelous/defamatory. However, re-reading your comments (sorry I missed this) the WP:DOB does very clearly state that both years should be included with their relevant sources. Consensus/discussion is good, but in this case the policy is also quite clear. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:24, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Shushugah Thanks for your help. Per the talk page discussion we've decided to wait for more sources before adding both the dates. Eevee01^(talk) 07:36, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

New page reviewer needed

Any new page reviewer or senior Wikipedian Draft:Farhan Ahmed Jovan check this article it has been unchecked for 1-2 month please check it. २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 19:14, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@२ तकर पेप्सी: Reviews might take several months. There are currently a few thousand articles in that queue. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk) 19:41, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Actually, it is not a queue, so a Reviewer could act on in it days, weeks, or (sadly) months. No means to speed that up. David notMD (talk) 21:26, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

२ तकर पेप्सी I am not a reviewer, but I looked over your draft and noticed a large percentage of your references are not in the English language. Many volunteer reviewers may only be fluent in one language, and so they may decide to not "check" an article that has sources they can't verify has information about Farhan Ahmed Jovan. Since you have written this article for the English Wikipedia it may be wise to make the job of the volunteer reviewers as easy as possible by finding references written in English, to replace the foreign language ones you are currently using. Karenthewriter (talk) 06:36, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Or asking at a WikiProject which is likely to have active users who can read that language (say, WP:WikiProject India). —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 06:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Rating

Hi, please rate my article importance and quality scale. Thank! Yodas henchman (talk) 19:33, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Yodas henchman:! You can request a peer review of your article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk) 19:36, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Do you mean Conscription in Syria? David notMD (talk) 21:31, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes Yodas henchman (talk) 17:10, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Andrew Gentes

Can someone get rid of the mark for deletion for my Article: Andrew Gentes? I just added a reliable source and nothing has changed yet. 

Judge Josie (talk) 21:43, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Judge Josie:  Done However, replaced with additional citations needed template, along with a reference list. Severestorm28 (talk) 22:09, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Judge Josie I have tagged an unsourced allegation of wrongdoing in the article, it must be properly referenced ASAP or else be removed. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:01, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Judge Josie: I started a notability discussion on Talk:Andrew Gentes. Please read WP:COI if you have a conflict of interest with the subject. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:04, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Self Page Question

 SunnyLovesBacon4286 (talk) 01:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@SunnyLovesBacon4286: hello weclome to the Teahouse, what exactly is your question? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 01:49, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@SunnyLovesBacon4286: I figured out your question yes you can make a self page (userpage). All you have to do is click on your username in the top right corner of your screen. then you should see something that says userpage. you can then put what you want there. Here is the link to your userpage and here is a link to your talk page ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 01:52, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse, SunnyLovesBacon4286 ! I think it's important to add to Kaleeb18's answer that user pages are not owned by the user, and some guidelines (WP:USERPAGE) exist about what is and isn't allowed. So the phrase you can then put what you want there isn't entirely correct. To put it in two phrases: user pages exist to improve communication and collaboration in the Wikipedia community. In case you are looking for a webhost to spread your ideas, advertise yourself/your company, and so on, then Wikipedia incl. user pages is not the right place. – NJD-DE (talk) 17:53, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

ah Thank you @Njd-de: I was looking for the page that said that but wouldn't find it ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 18:12, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Just came to my mind that by "self page" they could also mean creating an article on them. This is something strongly discouraged, an example of a conflict of interest, and virtually impossible to be a successful endeavor. (WP:AUTOBIO is the guideline that explains the details for this scenario). – NJD-DE (talk) 18:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Advice on fixing an error in an article image

The article DNA and RNA codon tables contains an image Genetický kód.jpg that contains an error, as explained at Talk:DNA_and_RNA_codon_tables#DNA_Image. The image originally comes from a third party, the Human Genome Project, although the link in the image metadata is broken. The error seems significant to me, so I'd like to fix it, but I'm not sure what is the best approach. I looked at Wikipedia:Inaccuracy, Wikipedia:Accuracy_dispute, and Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Images but didn't find anything applicable. Options I see:

• Look for a different image, possibly in a different source, that could serve as a replacement. Cons include the possibility of a long search and sorting out copyrights if one is found.
• Use an image editor to fix the error. Cons include difficulty of matching the existing style and possibly muddying the attribution chain, although the image in question is public domain. If I go this route, should I upload the fix (to Commons) under the same file name, thereby fixing it for all users (it is currently wrong regardless of context), or a new file name?
• Create a new image myself that is similar but has the error fixed. Cons include possibly failing to meet desired aesthetic standards.

Suggestions? Smcpeak74 (talk) 01:57, 15 December 2021 (UTC) Smcpeak74 (talk) 01:57, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Smcpeak74: Yeah, that's a pretty bad mistake there. Out of your three options, the third (re-create an image) is likely your best bet. Your new image doesn't have to be super pretty, it just has to convey the information clearly and accurately. You should use c:Template:Own based in this scenario. As for the other two options, existing images with a compatible copyright are hard to come by. You could potentially edit the image, but the background has a texture, and I don't think it'll be pretty (unless you're really good at Photoshop). If you actually do this, I'd upload it as a new image and include c:Template:Derived from and c:Template:Derivative versions in the image information. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 05:43, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

• Actually, Smcpeak74, editing the nucleotides on the strand itself should be feasible, because the letters and shapes use solid backgrounds. Not obvious since you need to change the shapes but feasible. If you do not know how to do it yourself, you could hop over to Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Illustration_workshop (but make sure to explain exactly what you want changed). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:50, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

• Didn't know that exists! You learn new things every day. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 15:29, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Is over-citing a bad thing? How much is too far?

Hi there, i'm working to get a few more articles some more citations, eventually taking the long-road to getting to at-least a GA state. I've noticed that in some FA's that there is much citing, and it almost feels like too much citing. Take this former FA article for example. On almost every sentence there is a citation, the article being a radio station it makes sense to have more of a play-by-play history. But personally I'd think it'd make more sense to simply summarize that info into a few citations at the end. TDLR: How many citations are truly needed. Fadedmax (talk) 02:06, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Fadedmax. You may find these links helpful: WP:CITEDENSE and WP:OVERCITE. A fairly decent overview is at Wikipedia:Citing sources. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 02:30, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Fadedmax. Your idea of a a few citations at the end is not a good solution because Wikipedia's core content policy Verifiability requires that any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation to a reliable source that directly support the material. So, a few citations at the end is not sufficient to meet that policy for a featured article or a good article or any halfway decent article, and if any other editor challenges the content, inline citations must be provided. Best practice calls for providing those sources in advance of a challenge. Cullen328 (talk) 04:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

And unlike in a university paper, other people move/re-arrange content so it isn't always clear what references what, unless it's regularly cited after each and every claim @Fadedmax ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:42, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Review

It has been nine weeks now that my article has been waiting for review. What puzzles me is that two weeks after I submitted it some person, apparently in authority, went through it and made various changes. Presumably this person thought it could be published because otherwise what would be the point of changing it? So why could this person not pass it for publication? Roryjohnston (talk) 03:30, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Since you created Draft:Fred O'Donovan (actor), various persons have adjusted it in some way. Presumably these persons thought that it had at least a moderate chance of publication and that the adjustment was worth their time, but not that they had the time, effort, or subject-area experience to assess it (either passing it or failing it) themselves. -- Hoary (talk) 04:02, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I edited the article but am not a reviewer. David notMD (talk) 05:40, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Roryjohnston, don't forget to disclose your WP:COI with respect to that draft, and several other articles here on Wikipedia. You were prompted about it a few months ago, but I don't see any disclosures posted anywhere (maybe I missed them?). Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 14:03, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Alan Singh (2)

Who is the builder of Amer Fort? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 04:25, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Karsan Chanda, you have many questions (not always understandable) about your draft. Its subject is a matter of history. As I have already said, for matters of history, look in history books. If you have no access to history books, consider redirecting your energy to some other subject area. -- Hoary (talk) 06:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I just wanted to update one thing.

Hi, I have never edited before, and it’s a rabbit hole I can’t afford to go down. But the page on abortion in New Mexico was out of date—the ban repeal was signed into law last March—and that seemed important enough that I created an account just to update it. Unfortunately, I put the reference in the text, because I don’t know how to make footnotes. Can somebody else fix this? The URL is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_New_Mexico

Thank you. Lise73 (talk) 05:19, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

See Help:Referencing for beginners. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 05:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Right place, needed ref ends. Ref fixed David notMD (talk) 06:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Why is there so much "background" information about abortion in general and also about the US as a whole and other states? The article should stick to the topic of its title and not rehash content that belongs in other articles. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:15, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Interlanguage linking

Hello, I have translated the Pornhub article into and I would require an admin to add it as a Wikidata entry since it's protected. Idk if this is the right place sorry lol ~User:ThisIsACreeper0101 (T • C | Fandom) 05:53, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Ask at Wikidata - Wikidata is a separate project and admins here do not necessarily hold admin rights there. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 05:54, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Didn't need an admin; merely autoconfirmed. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks both of you. Will keep that in mind. ~User:ThisIsACreeper0101 (T • C | Fandom) 08:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Kim Yancey-Moore

Does Kim Yancey meet WP:NACTOR? Paul Vaurie (talk) 06:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

IMBd not an accepted ref to establish notability. Can you provide at least three independent refs about her career? David notMD (talk) 13:54, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Editing articles with multiple issues

Hello! New editor- it's been just a little while and I'm intrigued :) One question- when editing an article with multiple issues, is it common courtesy to try and fix more than one if the issues intersect? I wouldn't think so, but the article I chose to edit here was in need of many spelling and grammar fixes, so I went ahead and copy edited it. The issue is, some of the text that was disputed for not having Npov was more than likely part of the spelling and grammar issues, but I admittedly don't have enough knowledge of the material the article is about to fix the neutrality issues, so I simply left them alone.

Sorry for being so wordy! Thanks for the help. Tabbycat2003 (talk) 09:09, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Correcting the grammar for a section that's likely to be retained is more likely to be useful than for one that likely to be deleted or rewritten. But you're under no obligations, just do whatever you feel is constructive. I don't see "courtesy" as applying in this context. Maproom (talk) 09:39, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Noted! I'll keep that on mind when editing future articles. Thank you very much. Tabbycat2003 (talk) 18:07, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

stating elevation variation

I'm writing a new article for a place and I haven't been able to find a definitive citation for the elevation above sea level. I've input the average and references for information.

I attempted to add '±18' to show the margin of error (in metres) but this causes a formatting error when parsed because it interferes with the automatic unit conversion (to feet)

How should I show the margin of error? Naivejoe (talk) 09:33, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

(Courtesy link: Draft:Weberville)

Naivejoe Per the documentation of Template:Infobox_settlement, if a range in elevation (i.e. 5–50 m ) is desired, use the "max" and "min" fields below. I would try replacing elevation_m=519 by elevation_min_m=501|elevation_max_m=537. (If you want to use the A±B notation, I do not know how to do that, I suspect it is not possible within the template.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:40, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Article Waiting for Review

Hello Teahouse, I am excited to be here. I have recently published an article but it's waiting to be reviewed. I understand there are almost 3,000 pending reviews but I was wondering if there is anything I can do to increase the odds of it being reviewed in terms of days, not months. Walker485 (talk) 11:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

• Draft:Isak Nti Asare was just reviewed, and declined, by Theroadislong. Before resubmitting, you would do well to

1. Disclose what links you have with that person or their campaign, if any,
2. Find sources that are simultaneously (1) reliable (i.e. have a reputation for accuracy), (2) independent of the subject, and (3) mention him at length (a short paragraph "X is candidate to election Y" is insufficient).

Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:05, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Furthermore, Walker485, please refrain from removing other people’s comments. Ahmed Al Harrasi might have posted to the wrong section, but it does not justify that edit. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

My apologies, I didn't want to risk that other response to be considered as mine and be confusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walker485 (talk • contribs) 13:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

don't worry Walker485, these posts will (usually) be put to a separate section, you don't need to remove them especially since these posts would usually be signed by sinebot after a while. happy editing! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.)  melecie  t - 13:57, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

False accusations

Hi. What is wrong with this clown who keeps reverting my edits on "Campbell"? Can someone help me out here? 49.178.80.22 (talk) 12:05, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

The problem is you. And don't be insulting to other editors. The target article does not explicitly define Graeme Campbell (politician) as a 'hate speaker', and a disambiguation page is only there to help separate different people of the same name. Finer details about them should be in the article itself. Please don't WP:EDITWAR over this or you will be blocked from further editing, as you have already overstepped the 3-revert rule. Keep your personal opinions out of this encyclopaedia, and focus on using Reliable Sources to improve articles - which may well include highlighting well-reported and unpleasant activities by the subjects. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

IP reported to administrators for vandalism after final warning. Polyamorph (talk) 12:19, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

yeah. I noticed they continued their edit-warring even after they'd posted here. So I've blocked them for a day or two to calm down and avoid further disruption. When they return they need to be less insulting towards other editors and engage politely in discussions over content prior to getting into an edit-war. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Regardless of how clownish others may be, reverting edits in quick succession is edit-warring, which you should not do. You already did so five times within a day, which is the direct reason why you were just blocked. Do not do this again once the block expires.

The above applies regardless of whether your edit is right or wrong, but furthermore, adding "hate speaker" to a person’s description goes against Wikipedia’s guidelines. You should not use value-laden words (unless attributed to a reliable source and even then only if due weight warrants such a citation); see MOS:LABEL. Note that this is independent of whether or not that person is actually a "hate speaker" (whatever such a vague term implies), so there is no point in attempting to convince us of that.

Notice how your edit to the Graeme Campbell page, although imperfect due to other name-calling stuff (e.g. "neo-Nazi"), has not been reverted. I would bet that has to do with the fact that it gives specific facts in a (more or less) neutral tone and with references.

Finally, please read our guideline that makes civility a requirement. Calling others "clowns" in the fashion you did is a breach of that. Note that you need to be civil even if others are actually clowns, assholes, etc. or uncivil towards you. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:25, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Tigraan Unfortunately, I have actually just removed their addition of the section you refer to because, whilst neutral in tone, it seems to be about the party this man founded, rather than allegations about him. I felt the content might be better off within that article (Australia First), than about its founder. I have advised the IP editor to discuss the matter at Talk:Graeme Campbell (politician) if they wish to pursue this matter once their block expires, and not to engage in tit-for-tat edit-warring again. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:43, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

IP, if you can present reliable sources for a claim that some Australian politician has been convicted of contravening a law regarding hate speech, and if you can describe this in a concise, dispassionate and convincing way (of course citing those reliable sources), then propose an addition to the article. The place to do this is the talk page that accompanies the article. -- Hoary (talk) 12:33, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

New page request

I want to create a page for a new TB vaccine in clinical trial ready to entry in Phase 3 efficacy studies named MTBVAC. IU already create a page in Wikipedia in Spanish https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuna_MTBVAC and I dont understand why is not possible to translate to English.  Carlos Martin Montañes (talk) 13:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC) https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuna_MTBVAC

@Carlos Martin Montañes Welcome to teahouse! You got feedback on Draft:MTBVAC indicating that there is copyrighted material. Please respond/address that first. I'd also ask WP:WikiProject Medicine for assistance. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 13:31, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Denying Bots

Hello, when denying bots to you talk page do you put it like this {{bots|deny=Muninnbot}}

                                                                 {{bots|deny=DPL bot}}

or like this? {{bots|deny=Muninnbot|DPL bot}} and so on.

look at this in source edit. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:53, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) hi Kaleeb18! you do it like {{bots|deny=Mununnbot,DPL bot}}, more can be found over at {{Bots}}. happy editing!  melecie  t - 13:54, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:55, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I've seen someone use {{bots|deny=all}} but I have no clue if that actually denies all bots or not. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:48, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh i could do that. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 16:44, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

As I said I don't know if that actually denies all bots or not. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:55, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Kaleeb18, but you may not want to. Some newsletters and relevant notices may not get delivered, you couldn't use an archiverbot, images on your talk page could break if they are renamed and who knows what else. Blaze The Wolf yes, it would deny any exclusion compliant bot. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 17:00, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Ah ok. I wasn't sure if it would only deny a bot called all (which is non-existant) or if it would actually deny all bots. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes that is what i thought so i did not put deny all bots on my talk page. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 17:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi my references are from authentic sources, but it is declined again!

FYI

 – Reposting this since it was semi-accidentally removed. Added header, formatting tweak. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 14:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

my draft here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ahmed_Al-Harrasi

References

"Research project hopes to produce COVID-19 medicine from frankincense". The Times of Oman. 16 January 2021.
"Prof. Dr. Ahmed Sulaiman Al-Harrasi". University of Nizwa. Retrieved 26 October 2021.
"Advisory board". global frankincense alliance. Retrieved 26 October 2021.

 Ahmed Al Harrasi (talk) 11:13, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ahmed Al Harrasi: Hello and welcome to the teahouse, the reason those references are not good is because they are Primary sources. It is much better to use secondary sources. Please read WP:PSTS ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 14:52, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I think that the more significant issue at the moment is that there is content in the draft that isn't supported by a source of any type. Ahmed Al Harrasi, you should make sure that everything in the draft is accompanied by a reference (and if that's not possible, then the material doesn't belong in the draft). Cordless Larry (talk) 20:12, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Adding images to articles

I understand how to upload the images onto wikipedia and then the article, but I am unsure about the copyright reasons and what I should do before uploading. How Would I do this? Commander0034 (talk) 15:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Commander0034: I presume you are talking about images you did not create yourself. It's good that you ask, because copyright is taken seriously here. If you are unsure of the copyright status of an image that you wish to upload, the experts hang out at WP:MCQ. They will be able to advise on potential use of images. Mjroots (talk) 15:42, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Re: the Wikipedia profile...

...of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Croft_(bishop) major error. His wife, Anne Browne was the daughter of Rev. Jonathan Browne and his first wife, Sarah Graues who died in 1626 a few weeks after the birth of Anne Browne, her daughter.

I have tried to edit the profile of Bishop Herbert Croft 1603-1691 without success. His wife, Anne Browne, was the daughter of Rev Jonathan Browne (1601-1643) and his first wife, Sarah Graues (d. 1626). He married 2nd, Anne (Barne) Lovelace. The references are as follows: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Browne-4388, pls. see references and edit profile of Bishop Herbert Croft. Anna Strutt (talk) 16:57, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Anna Strutt: Welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have any other sources? Wikitree is a user-generated site, which makes it unsuitable as a reliable source for Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:03, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Docquity

Docquity is a network for doctors and health care workers. It connects doctors and share the critical cases that they have. This application helps not only the doctors but also the patients. Docquity bridge the gap between doctors from different countries. My article on docquity keeps on rejecting. I uploaded twice and rejected. Please help me in publishing the article. Bachaspatimayum Vimi (talk) 17:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Bachaspatimayum Vimi, the reason your article is being declined is because it is written like an advertisement, and your references are done wrong. I suggest reading Help:Referencing for beginners, and Your first article ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 17:32, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Docquity has been Declined three times, but not rejected. David notMD (talk) 19:22, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

wrong photo

Hello,

The photo that is on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Davis_(American_football) page, is not him. It looks like that person in the photo has the same name but he is a football coach NOT Josh Davis the former Football player. 67.197.34.133 (talk) 17:42, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm confused as to what you mean IP. There is no image on the page you've linked. Perhaps you got the wrong article? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:44, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Could be yet another Google Knowledge Panel error. If one of our articles doesn't have an image, Google will throw one in there from somewhere else and then 'cite' Wikipedia for the whole thing. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 17:58, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Does that mean I have to contact google about it if they are adding that to wikipedia in their search?

Pretty much, there is a "feedback" link below the panel. By "Wikipedia" Google Knowledge Panel in this case means the text. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

The pic is on WP however, but at Josh Davis (swimmer). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:12, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Google now uses a picture of Josh Davis, Northwestern College's football coach, for the Knowledge Graph result for "Josh Davis football player" searches. I gave feedback but it can take a while to fix. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:18, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Scripts

How to make sure if the script made by a user is safe ro use? —Ctrlwiki • talk • 18:02, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Ctrlwiki there is no best way to check, though if you have knowledge of Javascript/Typescript the best way by far is to check the source code. Generally however, scripts on Wikipedia aren't maliscious as long as you are reasonably careful as to what you install. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 18:37, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Teaching about our disorder

The guideline, which I understand, of not being able to write about you/something close to you is mildly frustrating. The reasoning is because we, as a system, want to write articles about our disorder. Does it count as a bias if people have the disorder they are writing about? Because we have DID or OSDD (unsure which) and we want to spread information about these disorders. /genq -Janis TheHamiPotterGeek (talk) 18:31, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

TheHamiPotterGeek, whilst there is no policy forbidding this, it is strongly discouarged. However, if you wish to continue, you are allowed to create a draft and submit it for review by and independent reviewer, for more information see Help:Your first article. Please note that you must disclose your conflict of interest on your userpage, to do this, follow the instructions at Wikipedia:DISCLOSECOI. Hope this helps! — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 18:40, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

A very experienced editor once said to me that you need three things to edit wikipedia successfully, sources, sources and sources. This was astonishingly good advice, and I commend it to you. I have edited the article regarding my own condition many times, bearing in mind the above advice. On medical topics we go beyond the good sourcing advice given in WP:RS (that's the policy document covering reliable sources for the project) and use WP:MEDRS (The document that governs MEDically Reliable Sources).

I would comment however that editing medical topics here is not for the faint hearted or inexperienced edotor. Good luck. -Roxy the dog. wooF 18:43, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Comment having read the response by User:Berrely I suggest that it will probably not be necessary for a COI declaration in this case, YMMV. -Roxy the dog. wooF 18:46, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Roxy that there is no need for you to declare a COI because you have a health condition you wish to write about. However, Dissociative identity disorder already exists as an article, rated B-class for quality. You could work to improve that article if you can find high quality referenes. See WP:MEDRS for reference standards.David notMD (talk) 18:49, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

By the way, I agree that a person with DID is entitled to use "we" as a first person pronoun. David notMD (talk) 18:53, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I third that agreement of both David and Roxy. We have tens of thousands of editors with various health conditions, some permanent and others temporary. One should never be forced to disclose a health condition, even if it does adversely affect their editing habits, however, everyone is held to the same standard regardless so whether a disclosure is made or not, if an editor doesn't follow policy then they are subject to the same sanctions as any other editor so it's best to listen to the advice of experienced editors on reliable sourcing and, specifically, from Roxy on reliable Med sources in the case of articles that follow under that topic. --ARoseWolf 19:00, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: I agree that if you have DID then you can use "we" as a first person pronoun, however I would use it with caution here on Wikipedia due to "we" having the possibility of implying a shared acccount. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:05, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

For the already made article, Janis more so meant that we would write about things like DID/OSDD alter roles or switching or some of the lesser-known system information! -Gretchen TheHamiPotterGeek (talk) 19:08, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) That should be find as long as your information is supported by reliable sources. To start something would be very beneficial to the article would be to fix some of the sources. As I'm looking through the article I'm seeing a lot of sources the are disputed, have failed verification, or are primary sources where the statement would need a non-primary source. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

In hindsight, it is probably fine; I wouldn't have to disclose my COI with Wikipedia. Unless...?​ — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 18:55, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I would say, unless you stand to make a profit off such an article if it were written, like as a paid editor, or if you are employed by a company whose business is related to such a topic. Simply having a disorder does not preclude one from being able to edit freely about that subject. Baring in mind the advice from Roxy above about Med sources and the like. --ARoseWolf 19:03, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, in the contecxt of Wikipedia, don't use "we" at Teahouse or on Talk pages, as multiple people are not supposed to use one account. David notMD (talk) 19:19, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

With your permission, TheHamiPotterGeek, I would like to watchlist your talk page. I may not always be online but I want to follow you just to help when there may be misunderstandings. I won't offer advice unless asked or unless I see something that may hurt your experience here. I'm not interested in approving nor will I be here enough over the next few months to review your edits. 99.9% of the time you won't even know I am watching. I understand DID and have met and had friendships with others who had the same. If I run across a more experienced editor with the same or similar then I will try to connect you with them so you can hopefully learn how to navigate given your unique and specific situation but some great advice has already been given and you can always ask a question or seek help. --ARoseWolf 19:43, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@TheHamiPotterGeek and ARoseWolf: Did someone say a more experienced editor with the same or similar? Like TheHamiPotterGeek, I have either DID or OSDD. A friend asked if I'd seen this thread and I came here bracing myself to correct a bunch of bad takes or misinformation, and I'm pleasantly surprised to see that none of that has happened. (And I agree that no COI needs to be disclosed. User:Psiĥedelisto wrote most of the article on Osteogenesis imperfecta, which he has, and to my knowledge no one suggested he needs to disclose a COI.)

TheHamiPotterGeek, if you have any questions about editing Wikipedia with DID/OSDD, please don't hesitate to reach out, either on my talk page, by email, on IRC (nick Tamzin), or on Discord (join the community server and find me there). The one thing I'll quibble with here is David notMD's take on "we". While you definitely should be aware of how it might cause confusion to say "we", there's nothing in policy preventing you from doing so. Personally, the only reason I don't say "we" is that "Tamzin" is something of a "united front" we put on ("front" in the "team" sense, not the plural sense)—it's our legal name, and the name we go by in day-to-day interactions, but not a name that refers to any one system member. If you prefer to edit purely as a system rather than as a shared persona, I think that's your right. However, if you want to avoid confusion, you could do something like this: Create a page titled User:TheHamiPotterGeek/we. Write something like We are a [[multiplicity (psychology)|plural system]] with [[Dissociative identity disorder|DID]] or [[OSDD]]. If you see us saying "we", we are referring to ourselves collectively, not to anything that would violate [[WP:SHAREDACCOUNT]]. Then you could link to that page the first time you say "we" in a comment: Well [[User:TheHamiPotterGeek/we|we]] feel that this article... But that's just a suggestion. You can do it however you want, as long as you're okay with having to explain yourself fairly often.

Hope this helps. Individually and collectively, -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she/they) 20:29, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Yay! Tamzin, thank you so much for responding. I knew someone would and I am so glad you did. You are amazing and a wonderfully experienced editor. This is perfect. Such great advice. --ARoseWolf 21:25, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

That's.. actually really smart to create a page stating that they are referring to themself (themselves?) when they say "we". It'll most definitely help prevent any false claims that they are a shared account. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 23:44, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Ofc! -RV TheHamiPotterGeek (talk) 04:50, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia also has article Other specified dissociative disorder. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 20:03, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Нow to make a page, is converting an existing Wikipedia article from Russian language to English ?

In russan Wikipedia has an article: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Уральский,_Марк_Леонович. I would like to put its English version (translation) into the English Wikipedia as,par exempal, Uralski Mark Leonovith. Please, help mir it to do.Mark Leonovith Uralski (talk) 19:36, 15 December 2021 (UTC) Mark Leonovith Uralski (talk) 19:36, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

@Mark Leonovith Uralski - hello and welcome to the Teahouse. See Wikipedia:Translation and Help:Your first article. Sourcing requirements are quite strict here on English Wikipedia when it comes to biographies of living people; our rules about writing autobiographies are also rather strict, see WP:AUTO. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 20:16, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Trying to expose a fraud

https://haykbedroskeulian.com/ this person is telling me that this page was created by the "Armenia Wikipedia district" - I am not sure what your policy is with regards to people using your logo, but would be great to see that this person isn't real, and he's posing as someone he's not.

Jsquaredmumma Jsquaredmumma (talk) 19:46, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

The guy at the very least is bullshitting. There's no such thing as "districts" in Wikipedia, and the wording is so ambiguous it's impossible to tell what exactly he means by this: Does he mean the usual WP:ARBAA crowd (who we constantly get unjustified nationalistic complaints about from anti-Armenian partisans), or does he mean editors of the Armenian-language edition of Wikipedia? —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 20:30, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

How can I reply to reminders for a donation to say that I already do so

 92.20.103.73 (talk) 22:45, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

You can't, but if you create an account you can disable the fundraising banners. RudolfRed (talk) 22:49, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account, go into your preferences, navigate to the "Banners" tab, and uncheck "Fundraising". The Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past.
None of the Wikipedia volunteer editors here who add and improve content in articles receive any financial benefit. We all simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use.
If you cannot afford it, no one wants you to donate. Wikipedia is not at risk of shutting down, and the Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts the Wikipedia platform and is asking for these donations, is richer than ever.
We are led to believe that users who allow cookies are less likely to see these banners on repeat visits (further information is available here), and you are welcome to communicate directly with the donor-relations team by emailing [email protected]. Thank you! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Adding categories to country data templates -- but then the templates don't show up on category page

Hey,

I've recently gone on a little categorizing quest re: the templates for coat of arms of Swedish provinces ("lanskaper"). See e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Country_data_%C3%85ngermanland and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Country_data_Uppland .

I've created a new category -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Country_data_templates_of_provinces_of_Sweden and added to the doc page for every province's data, as per the documentation. This is 25 pages in total. But the category page lists 0 pages in that category. Notice that on the template pages listed above "Country data templates of provinces of Sweden" appears in the list of categories.

Am I missing something else I should do? Is it just a matter of time before they're picked up? It has been about 2 days now. Razvan (talk) 22:47, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Razvan, welcome to the Teahouse. It's a matter of time. I made a null edit on Template:Country data Uppland to update the link tables for that specific page. That updates the category right away. It's confusing that the category can be displayed on the page before the page is listed in the category but that's how the software works if the category is added via a transcluded page. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:56, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi PrimeHunter, thanks for the prompt answer, then I can relax a bit :D I was trying null edits on the /doc pages, good to know that doing them on the main template page does the trick — Preceding unsigned comment added by Razvan Ionescu (talk • contribs)

Requesting review of submitted edits

Hello!

I'm am new to editing on Wikipedia, so I'm still trying to figure out the way things go. I have just made my first major edit to a page, and would love to receive your feedback, and possibly come in contact with a few people who are willing to help me in the learning process.

I'm familiar with citation, but wasnt sure how to link the citation to the appropriate information within the article, or how to use tags within the article to hyperlink or create sections, etc. In other words, i see a level of intricacy to the embedded coding of the article which I'm not familiar with using, but not entirely clueless either. I think it's just a matter of using something new, and needing some personable guidance.

The wiki page in question is "Hualapai Mountains" (Arizona). I've submitted a similar post on the talk section there in hopes of opening a discussion on the edits I made, how to improve, etc. Spencer-Nägy (talk) 23:38, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Hualapai Mountains @Spencer-Nägy: I left some info on your talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:23, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

I think I have a much better grasp on how to format the pages now, although, I'm sure there are things I have missed, or are not aware of. I feel I have a done a decent job, but I am hoping someone might review my most recent edits to the page, and provide any feedback. Thanks. Spencer-Nägy (talk) 07:11, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Spencer-Nägy You added content to Hualapai Mountains without providing references. Even if the content is true, standard practice should be for an editor to revert everything.David notMD (talk) 10:34, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Retrieving my delated draft

My finished draft got deleted because it was copyright from a website that I created. How can I retrieve my delated draft so I can submit it for wiki donation? Natedawggg84 (talk) 00:20, 16 December 2021 (UTC) Natedawggg84 (talk) 00:20, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Natedawggg84: Welcome to the Teahouse. If it's a copyright violation it is very unlikely you will be able to retrieve it, even if you contact the administrator who performed the deletion in the first place. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:23, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Natedawggg84: It appears that your editing is causing quite a bit of disruption. I'm also not sure why if the info you need is on a website you created, that you can't get it from there. Please see Wikipedia:Copyright violations. And WP:COI and WP:YFA. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:29, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Aside from the points above, Natedawggg84, let me quote: strategic negotiation skills, bold courage, and steadfast persistence: I don't know what "strategic" means here, and I can't imagine either a species of courage that lacked boldness or a species of persistence that lacked steadfastness. Rev. R.R. Wilkinson is known for being the most progressive and effective NAACP President and Civil Rights leader in Roanoke's history. Known among whom, and according to which reliable, independent, published source(s)? And if you want the website you created to be freely recyclable in Wikipedia, then change "© 2021 The Estate of Rev. Dr. Raymond. R. Wilkinson" to "© 2021 The Estate of Rev. Dr. Raymond. R. Wilkinson, and dual-licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License (CC-BY-SA) and the GNU Free Documentation License"; however, (i) it shouldn't be you who recycles your material here; and (ii) it's very unusual for text not written for an encyclopedia to be suitable as is for this encyclopedia. -- Hoary (talk) 02:32, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism

How can I detect and remove vandalism? It seems really hard these days, since I've literally found none. What can I do to detect it and successfully undo it? Ex-stepp (talk) 01:59, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Ex-stepp, go to Special:RecentChanges, set some filters and check out the changes coming in. Also see Wikipedia:Recent changes patrol for some more information. Consider installing WP:RedWarn or WP:Twinkle to speed up reverting edits. ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 02:14, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the help! My dream is to become an administrator (I know I'm not required to or anything, but it would be a great honor to become one) and being the one who removes lots of vandalism first and recognizes when something's not right is a perfect step in the right direction. Ex-stepp (talk) 23:12, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Deleting redirect?

Heya folks, I was wondering how to delete a redirect for a page. I recently moved a page about the Bayou Pierre of Mississippi and wrote one for the Bayou Pierre of Louisiana. The source for the Mississippi article never states it should be redirecting, but en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayou_Pierre still goes to the Mississippi one instead of going blank. This results in the issue of my article going as an orphan, while innocent readers may believe a river in Mississippi feeds the Red River. How preposterous! By the way, first time in the Teahouse. May have screwed up. Mebigrouxboy (talk) 03:08, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Mebigrouxboy Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, you can read information about that at WP:R#CRD. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 03:39, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

How to make an essay and new talk page

I want to make an essay explaining our use of we/us/our pronouns, but I'm unsure how. Not only this, I want to make a talk page where people can ask about our disorder, use of we/us pronouns, our system roles, ETC. Help? -Janis TheHamiPotterGeek (talk) 05:17, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

You should be able to kill two birds with one stone by making a subpage of your userspace at "User:TheHamiPotterGeek/(title)", with the subpage being where you explain the situation and its associated talk page being where you can entertain reasonable questions about it. (For the record, I'm reading the relevant conversation above.) Something like this is widely accepted as a legitimate use of subpages in userspace. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 05:22, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@TheHamiPotterGeek: You can easily start the page in one of 2 ways. By going to your userpage and in the URL, adding /(title) after your username, or by simply linking to it and then clicking on the red link like this, User:TheHamiPotterGeek/(title) (obviously you would replace title with what you want to title the subpage). ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:02, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Need help for publishing my first article

Sir!

I have written an article about Pir Allauddin Siddiqui, a great scholar and Sufi saint of Nerian Sharif Azad Kashmir. But when I send it for approve , it is not accepted and declined by editors.

What can I do now? Please guide and help in this regard.

I shall be very thankful to you.... Ak131001 (talk) 07:14, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

 Ak131001 (talk) 07:34, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Ak131001, you're asking about User:Ak131001/sandbox. It most recently got the comment: "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject [...]".

The references don't show anything, because they can't. And they can't, because they don't exist.

You got another comment : "Still unsourced".

You have to indicate which part of the article derives from which published, reliable, secondary source.

Please read, digest, and act on Help:Referencing for beginners. -- Hoary (talk) 08:33, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

If the article is about one person, why do you consitently use "They"? David notMD (talk) 10:39, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Ahead of the curve; I mean, ahead of the shift. -- Hoary (talk) 12:42, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

A few formatting questions

I'm just curious if someone can tell me, or provide some references for:

- typing code format without being embedded, so as to demonstrate the code in a message/post

- the difference between "orphaned" and "disambiguation" links, and whether it is acceptable to use in any case or should they just not exist?

- and, is this language or coding format CSS? I'm familiar with the concept of HTML/CSS, but have never seriously worked with it before. Spencer-Nägy (talk) 08:39, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Update: I found the Disambiguation wiki article, and I think I understand what that means, but how does Wikipedia determine if an entry is disambiguous to its subject exactly? One of my edit entries says "disambiguation link" but i don't see how it can determine that when the sections/sub-sections of the entries are in fact relevant. Unless, I'm still misunderstand the meaning of the word. Spencer-Nägy (talk) 08:50, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Italic text is italicized by ''doubled single quotation marks fore and aft'' -- is this a sample of the kind of thing you're asking about in your first question?

I haven't heard of orphaned links. If you mean an orphaned article, this is an article to which no other article links. I suppose a disambiguation link would be a link to a disambiguation page. A disambiguation page (such as Equality) has a list of links for (more or less) synonymously titled articles. -- Hoary (talk) 08:56, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Spencer-Nägy Please supply links to the article(s) you are asking about. It makes answering you a whole lot easier. Thanks Nick Moyes (talk) 08:59, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

The first question is referring to showing the written format (as it is written) without the format being shown so if i wanted to show another editor how i have formatted my entry, etc.

Thank you for the clarification on my second question. I assume in either case, it is proper to remove the orphaned or disambiguated links from an article?

I was trying to quote the term rather than italicize. I'm surprisingly catching on to the language quickly, but I'm still curious on the third question. Spencer-Nägy (talk) 09:13, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Spencer-Nägy, anyone interested in how you have used markup can see for themselves by looking in the "source". And they can do that by choosing to edit. (Having opted to edit, they're under no obligation to edit. They can simply hit the back button.) So: don't use the "visual editor". Instead, "edit source". Resources for you: introduction to formatting; more formatting; what you can do with HTML (but usually shouldn't); what you can do with CSS. -- Hoary (talk) 11:47, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: Many's the time I've found out how to code something by looking at the edit page where someone else did what I'm trying to accomplish--for instance, I just looked at the very next comment from Deor in order to Ping you. The difficulty with that that comes up most often is: I'm sure I've seen done what I'm trying to do, but can't remember where--and can't guess, either. Uporządnicki (talk)

@Spencer-Nägy: With regard to your first question, if you put something between <nowiki>...</nowiki> tags, that text will be displayed as you typed it, without the activation of any wiki markup in it. Deor (talk) 17:37, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for answering my questions the best you could. Spencer-Nägy (talk) 00:59, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Just confused whether Nikhil Prasad notable or not ?

Hi TH, I recently created an article Nikhil Prasad who invented the first-ever digital platform in Kerala, India and established it as the top digital platform. The company Karikku is very popular and known for their first series Thera Para. The founder directs, writes, produces, and edits the videos for Karikku. I believed that the article will meet WP:Creative. But a user nominated the article here with a note that fails WP:GNG. Also he nominated the page Karikku. So my question is does my article notable or not, or what should I do to keep the article if I missed something?  Onmyway22 talk 11:01, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Onmyway22, it's not a matter of whether an article is or isn't notable; it's a matter of whether or not an article demonstrates that its subject matter is notable. If your subject is notable, he seems to be notable for a "digital platform". This is a term that to me just sounded like a pretentious way of saying "website", but I thought I should look it up before maligning it. And here it is: digital platform (a disambiguation page). Well, which kind of "digital platform" is this? Whatever it is, it's claimed twice in the opening paragraph to be "leading". "Leading" as measured by what, and as measured by whom, as published by which reliable, independent source? -- Hoary (talk) 11:56, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: They all started with a YouTube channel, and they are the top in subscribers in Kerala. Here is source this Onmyway22 talk 14:13, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

hi Onmyway22! generally speaking, notability is not inherited. the article you cited seems to focus on Karikku and not Prasad himself, and just because he is the founder of a notable company doesn't mean he is notable in his own right. that being said, if he is notable outside of being the founder of Karikku and falls under one of the notability criteria, maybe he can get an article. happy editing!  melecie  t - 14:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Melecie: Finally got something helpful. Thank you so much. Onmyway22 talk 16:43, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

How can i publish a article

how can i make a wiki page i have aritten a article but its not published how can i publish it Dvykhsl (talk) 12:05, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Dvykhsl Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft; be advised that successfully creating a new article is probably the hardest task to perform on Wikipedia, and it is usually recommended to first gain experience and knowledge about the process by first editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates, and also to use the new user tutorial.

I'm not clear on which text you are referring to; you have edits on your user page, which is not article space, but a place to tell about yourself as a Wikipedia editor. Your sandbox is currently blank, though it had edits there in the past. 331dot (talk) 12:08, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

What you had on your User page was Speedy deleted, so there is not history of it in your Contributions. If that content was meant to be an article, you can request to get it from the Administrator who deleted it. David notMD (talk) 14:43, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Redlink template?

What is the template that removes a redlink but automatically links to it when the article is created? I saw it but forgot what it was called. The Tips of Apmh 14:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi The Tips of Apmh. {{Link if exists}} does that. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:49, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks a lot. --The Tips of Apmh 15:14, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft:OneZoom

Hello, i'm making a draft for the OneZoom company but it got rejected once already cuz it doesn't have any creditable sources (i know you have heard this one a thousand times before). I want some guidence on what sources i should use, because it was a bit hard to find some sources that aren't OneZoom.org itself. Thanks! Dontuseurrealname (talk) 14:45, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

hello @Dontuseurrealname: you want to find reliable sources, if you cant find any then your article may not be notable, and may have to be deleted. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 15:04, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Well, it doesn't really fir anywhere, and i could make for an interesting article. Also, do you know anywhere that i could find Data Statistics? Dontuseurrealname (talk) 14:45, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Dontuseurrealname No I do not not know where you can find data statistics. Did you mean it or i could make for an interesting article, because making an article about yourself is highly discouraged on Wikipedia. If you meant it, than it doesnt matter if the article is interesting or not it must have reliable sources and must be notable or it could be deleted. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 15:17, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

An example of a good source might be one like this one and maybe this one ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 15:36, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Dontuseurrealname: To qualify for an article on Wikipedia you need to show that this company has been the subject of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources, you should be looking for things like news articles, magazine pieces, or coverage in books, see WP:NORG. To be accepted and avoid the article being deleted a general rule is that you need a minimum of WP:THREE such pieces of coverage. At the moment the sources consist of a preview written by the company, the companies own website, and the personal websites of people involved in the company - none of these sources are considered to be independent and as such do not demonstrate why the company is notable. 192.76.8.80 (talk) 15:39, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Oum Kalsoum : there is a whole section of this entry that is missing.

There is a whole section on the life of this great singer and if you will kindly review my article entitles "REPORT on the misappropriation of the 1926 HMV recordings of OUM KOULSOUM by the Egyptian government" by John G. Deacon (former Sales Director of EMI Greece). Please go to www.johndeacon.biz and click on the link to "REPORT on the misappropriation..."

John G. Deacon Superdeak (talk) 14:51, 16 December 2021 (UTC) Superdeak (talk) 14:51, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

•  Courtesy link: Umm Kulthum (I assume this is the relevant article) Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 15:27, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Superdeak and welcome to the Teahouse. If your report is based on sources which meet our standard of being published, reliable and independent (see verifiability), and if the information is relevant to Kalsoum/Kulthum's life or career, then please add the information to the article yourself in an appropriate spot, backing up each statement with an appropriate source. Your own report, published on your own website, is unfortunately not likely suitable for use on Wikipedia. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 17:30, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Biased article on Hugh Hewitt

Please review your article on Hugh Hewitt. It appears to focus only on his fails and not his successes. Chief among the omissions, is not mentioning the "Hillsdale Dialogues" in any way in the article. It seemed the author was angry and spiteful towards Mr. Hewitt. Thank you for your time. 47.150.26.238 (talk) 15:47, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

•  Courtesy link: Hugh Hewitt Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 15:50, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@47.150.26.238: Hello and welcome, First of all the article can be edited by anyone so there isnt just one author. Secondly the information we put in articles come from reliable sources not what we think about the person or thing. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 15:53, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

There is no "author." The article Hugh Hewitt dates back to 2004. Since then, there have been nearly 1,000 edits, by scores of editors. David notMD (talk) 16:30, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

• If you believe there is missing information, and have independent reliable sources to support it, please offer your proposed changes on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 16:35, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Pizza

 2A02:C7D:8EC:9B00:45E7:A1B2:B2AF:5548 (talk) 15:55, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

hello @2A02:C7D:8EC:9B00:45E7:A1B2:B2AF:5548: Welcome to the Teahouse, this is a place for questions did you have one? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 15:56, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

new user

hey I am a new user and Im trying to add a sidebar to my Wikipedia business profile. Im trying to make a company profile for my corporation but it seems really confusing. Grabbz (talk) 16:06, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

hello @Grabbz and welcome to the Teahouse, it is highly suggested that you do not make an article you are associated with because articles must be written in a neutral point of view with no original research. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 16:22, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

so someone has to do it for my company? I don't understand, how will they know about my corporation by guessing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grabbz (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia does not have profiles. It has articles. You are permited to create a draft about your company (see WP:YFA) and submit it to the Articles for Creation (AfC) process for review. The difficulty is that all content in the article must be supported by reliable source references that are independent of you and the company. Also, you would first need to declare your paid connection on your user page (see WP:PAID). I expect that other Teahouse Hosts will provide guidance as to what makes a company notable. David notMD (talk) 16:35, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

See WP:NORG for guidance. David notMD (talk) 16:48, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Grabbz. I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. If at some point Wikipedia has an article about your company, the article will not belong to you or your company, will not be controlled by you or your company, will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and should be based almost entirely on what people who have no connection with you or your company have chosen to publish about the company, not on what you or your associates say or want to say. Please see An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If, given this, you would still like your company to be the subject of a Wikipedia article, and you can find the independent reliable published sources to establish that it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then you are permitted to try and create the article, (once you have made the required formal declaration of your status as a paid editor) as detailed by others above. --ColinFine (talk) 17:02, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

• OP is now blocked. 331dot (talk) 18:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

List

I don't know what is the list called, it may be called symbols. For example, {{tick}} . What is this called? And can I get a list containing all this stuff? Thanks. ― Itcouldbepossible^Talk 16:14, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: There is a list of similar icons at Template:Done/See also. DanCherek (talk) 16:16, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Consider this matter  Resolved Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:22, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Pyrrho the Skeptic Ok...OK I understand. Thanks. ― Itcouldbepossible^Talk 05:47, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@DanCherek Thanks a bunch. ― Itcouldbepossible^Talk 05:47, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Add cast as star in Brahmāstra

As per a user reverteda edit as actor Ayan Nayak is not as a lead in the film no source is present [1] but many source clearly mentions [2] AYAN NAYAK is in lead role. What to do now? }} २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 16:20, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Unless I'm missing something, the source you provided does not mention that person as a "lead". The actor is mentioned in the Wikipedia article as a cast member, though. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 16:44, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

It mentions as steller cast which means starring as. २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 16:53, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

I think that interpretation is a bit of a stretch. The actor needs to be listed explicitly as a lead role or starring role, which they do not appear to be. They are billed as "Police officer". Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 17:08, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

No, २ तकर पेप्सी, "stellar" does not mean "starring", at least in any variety of English I am familiar with. The relevant sense is Exceptional (sense 3 in wikt:stellar#Adjective): there is no current connection with "star" in the sense of An actor in a leading role. (sense 4 of wikt:star#Noun) --ColinFine (talk) 17:18, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@२ तकर पेप्सी, when a film is described as having a "stellar cast", it means that the performers as a group are unusually good - not that every person in the cast has a star/lead role. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 17:19, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@User:Wikignome Wintergreen @ColinFine alright but what privotal role means? Which mentions the actor.[3] २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 18:18, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@२ तकर पेप्सी It seems to be marketing speak for "had a role that moved the plot along significantly". It might possibly be worth mentioning in an article about Nayak, but otherwise trivia. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 18:23, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@User:Wikignome Wintergreen hey I got an article mentioning him as a star cast [4] is it means starring? २ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 18:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@२ तकर पेप्सी, the place to hold this discussion in on the talk page of the article - where I see you've already started a section - not at the Teahouse. Present your arguments there and try to get consensus. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 18:36, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Username

HOWDOWECHANGEOURUSERNAMEPLEASE -Janis TheHamiPotterGeek (talk) 16:23, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@TheHamiPotterGeek Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, please do not yell, and if you want to change your username see WP:UNC ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 16:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

TheHamiPotterGeek Janis, you can ask for a name change by going to WP:RENAME and following the instructions on that page. :) --ARoseWolf 16:49, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you -janis TheHamiPotterGeek (talk) 17:01, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Sindhochelys ragei

hello can someone add an image of Sindhochelys ragei to the wikicommons so I can use it in my page, I don want to because a lot of the photos i´ve added have been reported as copyright problems, and I don´t want to get banned so if someone more experienced could do it that would be nice. Fossiladder13 (talk) 16:39, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Fossiladder13 It is highly unlikely that anyone reading your message will have a freely licensed photograph of a fossil genus discovered in 2021. Your best bet is probably to email the authors of the article reporting the discovery to ask whether they would be willing to freely license a photo. If they agree, you can send them this link that will allow them to generate a release to send to the volunteers that process copyright releases. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:48, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Making a page.

I have been declined 3 times making a page can someone help. Schoolman222 (talk) 17:35, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

You mean this draft? There are many issues with it. For one, there are no sources that indicate that it is notable in any way. It's also not written like a Wikipedia article, but just a few lines of text. Could you be more specific as to what help you need? Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 17:46, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Schoolman222, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to editing Wikipedia. Creating a new article is much more difficult than it looks, and I always advise new editors to spend a few months learning how Wikipedia works, by making improvements to some of our existing six million articles before trying it. I remember from when I started how much I wanted to "make my mark" by adding a new article to Wikipedia; but now I know that generally people who improve existing articles often add far more value to Wikipedia than those who try to create new ones before they're properly equipped to. When you do decide to have a go at a new article, I strongly recommend studing Your first article. --ColinFine (talk) 18:25, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Added some more to my page. I made it into a paragraph and added some other lists. Any other suggestions? Schoolman222 (talk) 19:10, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Schoolman222, you didn't add a single source. Without sources, it will just be declined again, and eventually rejected. It will never be accepted without reliable, independent, published sources. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 19:27, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Frankly, what you are attempting to create is not appropriate for Wikipedia. Wikipedia is based on what reliable sources say about a notable subject. You could try WikiHow. 2603:6081:1C00:1187:8DF8:B7C7:A5AF:957B (talk) 19:29, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

And now Rejected. David notMD (talk) 04:59, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

J Church Template

On the J Church Template for the Balboa Park stop, how do I remove the vertical line going through stop? Allanpanas (talk) 18:49, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Template:J Church Maproom (talk) 19:26, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Allanpanas, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's quite likely that nobody at the Teahouse is familiar with editing specialist templates like this one. You might find the answer at WP:Route diagram template; failing that, I suggest asking at WT:Route diagram template. --ColinFine (talk) 22:30, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

New Contributor - First submission denied - Lack of Sourcing

Can someone help me successfully add my first submission to Wikipedia? Thank you! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JackDaniel2022 JackDaniel2022 (talk) 19:59, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

•  Courtesy link: Draft:Swami Select Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 20:03, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Leaving aside the question of sourcing, you've written this in completely the wrong way. It's far too positive and friendly and eager and praising - practically a hagiography. Be dispassionate and emotionless. Facts only, only facts. DS (talk) 20:11, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

JackDaniel2022 it appears that you have cited sources that don't always reference what you've written. In the Founder section I read: "You’ll find them on stage each year handing out the highly prestigious award for 'Best Flower', as well as on expert speaker panels from coast to coast" and I wanted to know how important was the award you mention. The reference directly after that sentence was about a panel, but didn't mention any awards. The two references immediately before the sentence do refer to judging cannabis flowers, but didn't say that the award was in anyway prestigious. It just said cannabis was being judged. You can't write about a highly prestigious award unless you have a good reference stating that's what it is. When writing a Wikipedia article you aren't allowed to give your own opinions, or mention something you once heard someone say. You can only include data found in reliable published sources. I would suggest you rewrite your draft, and include only what can be found in the cited references. Karenthewriter (talk) 03:14, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Draft article

How do i know whether my draft article is ready to be moved and made public ? mayfair098 Mayfair098 (talk) 20:17, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Mayfair098:  Courtesy link: Draft:Lak The current references don't indicate that the subject is notable, as Wikipedia defines the term. If you were to submit the article as it stands, it would be rejected. If you are writing about yourself, please seeWP:COI. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:49, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Self-rating

Hi, I was wondering if I could rate , my article by myself. I will put my self in the shoes of other Peer reviewers. I guess my Article is important in some way, like high or mid. Yodas henchman (talk) 21:18, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

If you mean Conscription in Syria, a very experienced editor rated it as Start class and low importance. David notMD (talk) 05:03, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

My article AJ Dixon (racing driver)

There are photographs in the article. I swear that they are all mine, or pictures handed down through the family. Some of the pictures were published at the time of his racing but the originals are in my collection. Pichpich suggests that I must be the oldest person on the planet. Surely Wikipedia recognises family ownership? These were handed on to me in 1962 by my grandnother. The medals have been donated to the National Motorcycle Museum, as has the menu card. ManoftheNorth (talk) 22:06, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ManoftheNorth, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately copyright is tricky. What is clear is that possession or ownership of physical photos tells you absolutely nothing about where the copyright lies. Your grandmother may have given you the photos, but unless she held the copyright in them, and gave that copyright to you, then you do not own it. But unless she took the photos herself, she probably did not own the copyright - by default the copyright in a photo belongs to the photographer. If the photographer died at least 70 years ago, then the photos are probably in the public domain, and Wikimedia Commons will accept them on that basis; but you would need to establish that fact. But otherwise, probably the best you can do is to upload the head shot to Wikipedia (not Commons) as a non-free image. You would need to provide a justification, showing how it met all the non-free content criteria - which I'm sure you could do for that one image, but I'm doubtful about the rest of them.

I'm not an expert on copyright, so what I've said may not be completely accurate, but I'm sure it mostly is. Please ask any further questions at WP:MCQ. --ColinFine (talk) 22:49, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

IM MAKING a list of all colonies

Im using all available sources and pages around Wikipedia TestDontMind (talk) 22:09, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@TestDontMind, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, is there a particular question you want to ask? or do you need assistance with something? or anything? Celestina007 (talk) 22:14, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

So I'm trying to use all available pages about colonies. Could you help me? TestDontMind (talk) 22:18, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

TestDontMind, what you actually seem to be doing is making a bit of a mess, and potentially engaging in block evasion. Please stop moving pages around. Do you have a question for us? Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 22:19, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

It's because I need help merging I confuse move with merge TestDontMind (talk) 22:20, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Well I know it sounds "Fishy" TestDontMind (talk) 22:23, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@TestDontMind, merging articles is a rather long and involved process - see Wikipedia:Merging. You'd need to state very convincing arguments about why a merger should take place, and have a discussion with other editors about the process. Since you're quite new here, I'd recommend not jumping into that right away - try making small changes first and learn the ropes. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 22:23, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Here is the reason,I wanted to see all of that on 1 page but detailed and simplified TestDontMind (talk) 22:25, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@TestDontMind, if you read the page I linked you to, you'll see that's not a good reason. In fact, it probably falls under several of the reasons why mergers should be avoided. Please read the page. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 22:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know,BYE and thank you:) TestDontMind (talk) 22:37, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia deleted my Draft

I'm pretty mad today because Wikipedia just deleted my draft. My hours of writing, gone. This is my second time writing an article. The first time I tried (also putting in hours of work) it got declined even though I cited all my sources, didn't have any bias, and generally followed all of Wikipedia's rules. My second time trying, It just gets deleted. I don't think I'll be writing anymore, at least not anytime soon. So basically my question is, is there anyway I can get my article back? I doubt you can but I thought I'd ask anyways. Zoltansz11 (talk) 22:28, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Zoltansz11 You have no deleted contributions according to your deleted contributions log. What is the title of the article you think was deleted. The draft article you started at Draft:Moses McWilliams is still there. Nthep (talk) 22:35, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

This is the [[5]] that got deleted. There is now nothing there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zoltansz11 (talk • contribs)

Zoltansz11, whilst I haven’t checked with in-depth, are you sure you are logged in with the right account? Articles even in draftspace, can be deleted if it meets a criterion for deletion, but that aside, The said deleted draft article doesn’t even show you creating it under this account. Take a look at your contributions, perhaps you created the article via a different account? please you might also want to take a look at our policy on legally operating more than one account. Celestina007 (talk) 22:45, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Zoltansz11 There has never been an article Draft:TI-2500, not even one subsequently deleted. Nthep (talk) 23:00, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Zoltansz11, I can't find any evidence that a draft called Draft:TI-2500 has ever existed or been deleted. Are you sure that you actually savid ("Published") it? Which account did you create it under? --ColinFine (talk) 22:59, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

You might have forgotten to save it ("Publish"), Zoltansz11. If you moved on out of the editing screen to a different page, your changes would not have been saved. They also aren't saved if you go back on a browser screen to a previous page. While working on a Draft, it's important to save changes on a regular basis to keep your work. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:49, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Zoltansz11: Welcome to the Teahouse. While others are inquiring about your second draft, I'll point out that for your first draft you used Wikitree and another Wikipedia article as sources, which are not reliable due to them being user-generated. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:59, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

What I want to know about how I should edit is pages about songs on Wikipedia.

So, you know how in brackets that page says what the song was originally called. How do I type it in Wikipedia’s style of wording and grammar? Wikideas8 (talk) 22:38, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Wikideas8, and welcome to the Teahouse. Can you give an example, to show what you mean? --ColinFine (talk) 23:02, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

@Wikideas8, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I’m echoing ColinFine, I’m afraid your question isn’t precise or easy to understand, are you trying to learn wiki coding? Then reading Wiki coding should suffice. please if this isn’t what you are referring to let us know or show us an example as aforementioned. Celestina007 (talk) 23:07, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

On a track listing, you'll see a song that changed names in parentheses, like track #7 on this album. No Wiki markup for that. For an article title, this song, for example, doesn't do anything fancy in the title, but it mentions the change in the lead. Is that what you mean? Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 00:12, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Would Like to Merge A Page

Misjudged the amount of information available for page Hello, it would seem I overestimated the amount of information available for a locally owned newspaper, especially for someone who has never been to the location. It would seem the original owner, the Clermont Sun Publishing Company, inc, had serval other newspapers, or at least according to the Ohio Security of State website. https://bizimage.ohiosos.gov/api/image/pdf/5486_0651 https://bizimage.ohiosos.gov/api/image/pdf/200110002356 I would like to create a page called Clermont Sun Publishing Company, Inc., than merge it with The Highland County Press. I hope this will allow it to meet Wikipedia's guidelines. Does this sound reasonable? P3771 (talk) 23:20, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. Are there independent sources that are reliable, to show the notability of the publishing company? That should be addressed first. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 01:12, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

My Username

Hi, I was wondering if my username is okay for this site? Thanks in advance. HumbleConservative (talk) 00:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't violate any username policy that I'm aware of. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 01:02, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thank you! -HumbleConservative (talk) 01:06, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikidata after page move

In preparation for changing the title of HINARI to reflect the modern capitalization I moved the article titled "Hinari" to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinari_(Manufacturing_Company). I noticed the request afterwards to check that the "wikidata" was updated, when I clicked through to check it simply said "Hinari". Should o change it to the new title or is it still correct? XeCyranium (talk) 01:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@XeCyranium: I've moved the company to Hinari (company) since companies aren't capitalized because they aren't proper nouns, and we don't need "manufacturing" as a disambiguator. Regarding your question: Wikidata is it's own thing, so technically you don't have to deal with that. However, you probably should be a Good Samaritan and update the Wikipedia link at wikidata:Q5765636 to reflect the new title. Don't change the name of the item (what's on top). ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 01:30, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Is there a tool for suggesting key words to search for based on an article?

Something that will find all proper nouns and rare terminology in an article? Better yet, is there a wiki page listing similar tools? Ran8dom9 (talk) 02:24, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Laxman Meena

Laxman Meena is a politician. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 03:37, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Karsan Chanda and welcome to the Teahouse, it seems that you do not have a question but are stating something that Laxman Meena is a polatician. If you wish to create an article on Laxman Meena then read Your first article, but first make sure the article is notable. Also the references you provide would not be good to use because it is a primary source. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 04:07, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Write an article for Lakhan Singh Meena. -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 04:30, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Karsan Chanda, are you commanding other editors to do this? -- Hoary (talk) 04:39, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

FYI

 – Merging with above section. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:12, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

I want to write an article for Bassi MLA Laxman Meena. But someone removed my draft. What should I do to get it back? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 04:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Karsan Chanda, your article -- yes, an article, not merely a draft -- was deleted with the explanation "Article has no meaningful, substantive content". I warmly agree with the deletion. Why? Well, here is your article, in its entirety:

'''Laxman Meena'''<ref>{{cite news|title=Laxman Meena|url=https://www.amarujala.com/election/vidhan-sabha-elections/rajasthan/candidates/laxman-meena-ind-2018-bassi-57}}</ref>

This of course says absolutely nothing about Laxman Meena or anything else. If you think that this is worth preservation as an article, then you are seriously deluded.

Will you be able to demonstrate that Laxman Meena is notable (according to Wikipedia's criteria, not yours or mine)? If not, forget it. But if you will be able to do so, then click on Draft:Laxman Meena and create a draft that will be worth conversion to an article. -- Hoary (talk) 06:47, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

I made a draft but there are some problems

Hi, I translated an article from eswiki (Asociación Deportiva Cariari Pococí) and put it in a draft (A.D. Cariari Pococí) but the eswiki article has no references so I'm not sure what references I should find. The article is ready for submitting. 192.184.163.106 (talk) 04:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Updated 04:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

enwiki's standards are much stricter than eswiki's, and references are mandatory. Please read Wikipedia:Reliable sources to learn what is considered a reliable source. If the draft is submitted for review in its current state it will most certainly be declined. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:31, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Miner

Have you considered mining ethereum or any other cryptocurrency to avoid requesting financial assistance? 107.242.125.49 (talk) 05:09, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello. The Teahouse and English Wikipedia editors have absolutely nothing to do with the fundraising campaign. That is all carried out by the Wikimedia Foundation. Contact them with your idea. Cullen328 (talk) 07:13, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Stop Asking for Donstions

I have already donated to Wikipedia this year. How do I stop the interruptions of my searches with requests for donations? 192.188.8.97 (talk) 05:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Welcome and thank you for your question about donations! To hide the fundraising banners, you can create an account and uncheck Preferences → Banners → Fundraising. The Wikimedia Foundation does not track the identity of IP addresses, so it doesn't know your age, income level or whether you donated in the past.
None of the Wikipedia volunteer editors here who add and improve content in articles receive any financial benefit. We all simply contribute our time because we care about building a great encyclopedia for you and innumerable others around the world to use.
If you cannot afford it, no one wants you to donate. Wikipedia is not at risk of shutting down, and the Wikimedia Foundation, which hosts the Wikipedia platform and is asking for these donations, is richer than ever.
We are led to believe that users who allow cookies are less likely to see these banners on repeat visits (further information is available here), and you are welcome to communicate directly with the donor-relations team by emailing [email protected]. Thank you! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:58, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

hmm how does this work? Xkitty2 (talk) 08:17, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Xkitty2, general answer at User talk:Xkitty2. If you have more specific questions, ask away! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:36, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikilinks in templates

I have noticed that when one wants to see Which articles Link to an article, one gets also the links of the templates even though the subjects of the articles aren't in anyway connected other than the template. An example are Selahattin Demirtas and Kazim Karabekir who are both in the Template:Party Leaders in Turkey. I'd suggest that for a better Wikipedia editor navigation the links of templates should be shown separate from the links within the articles. For example if one creates and article which turns a redlink within a template blue, the creating editor wouldn't be able to know in which pages a link would actually be useful. Where could I place such a request? I have already thought of removing the redlink for the time the editor places all the wls for the new article. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 08:38, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Paradise Chronicle Welcome to teahouse! I had exact same problem and User:Primehunter made a handy script that you can insert inside User:Paradise Chronicle/common.js with importScript('User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js'); // Linkback: User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js, which adds a "source link" tab underneath "what links here" and excludes templates. See my common.js for an example User:Shushugah/common.js. Happy tinkering! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:17, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

WP:BASIC vs WP:NACTOR

In an AfD discussion one editor argued that WP:BASIC comes before WP:NACTOR. Is this correct? Eevee01^(talk) 08:52, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Eevee01 - Yes, that's correct. Without making a judgement on the veracity of the AfD vote itself, WP:BASIC is the fundamental notability criteria. From that page: "People who meet the basic criteria may be considered notable without meeting the additional criteria below." ThadeusOfNazereth^{Talk to Me!} 10:39, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@ThadeusOfNazereth I always thought that to have an article of an actor the person must meet WP:NACTOR. Majority of the articles in AfD/India are deleted because the subject doesn't have significant roles in at least two notable movies/TV series. Eevee01^(talk) 11:17, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Eevee01, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, WP:NACTOR doesn’t use the word “must” that aside, think of it like this, BASIC, BIO and GNG are the default setting to determine notability, So if either of the three are met, it is sufficient enough for retainment on mainspace, so in this case if an actor fails to feature in multiple significant lead roles or is yet to clinch a prestigious award but have been discussed with in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them, they have passed our notability threshold. Celestina007 (talk) 11:25, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

In addition, NACTOR is part of the section "Additional criteria" which explicitly begins with "Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included.". Regards SoWhy 11:57, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 @ThadeusOfNazereth @SoWhy Thank you! Could you please also explain what the meaning of "significant" is in the WP:NACTOR criteria? In other words how to determine the significance of a role? Does it mean the screen time an actor gets? Is there a difference between having a significant role in movies and TV series? Eevee01^(talk) 12:11, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Eevee01: "Significant" is always a (by design) imprecise term. It's main goal is to differentiate short cameos and background appearances from appearing in a more substantial role. You can find dozens of discussions about that in the archives probably but there is no way to define it for each case beforehand. As a general rule of thumb, I would think a role to be significant if the actor is credited at the beginning of the movie or series as part of the main cast. For TV shows, beginning credits are often split into main cast first and then major guest stars, with bit-players at the end. People who appear in the main cast can usually be considered playing a significant role, as can those who appear in the major guest credits multiple times (for example, Joe Spano only ever appeared as a guest on NCIS but his was still a significant role). Regards SoWhy 13:27, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@SoWhy I understand. Thank you. Eevee01^(talk) 13:44, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Is it acceptable for an editor to make numerous back to back edits?

I saw this on an article though the edits took place a while back where an editor made over 50 edits in the same day. The edits were a mix of big (over 100 bytes) and small (less than 100 bytes). Is this okay according to Wikipedia rules? Aleena98 (talk) 09:43, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As long as the edits are constructive, I don't believe there is a policy against it. It would perhaps be better for an editor to use Preview to make fewer edits or a single large edit, but different people edit differently. 331dot (talk) 09:45, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Like 331dot said, there's no rule against it. If somebody is planning on making major revisions to a page, they might do that to make sure their progress is saved and they don't lose too much progress if something goes wrong. They might also do this if there's a current event and the page is being updated in real-time in response to new information. ThadeusOfNazereth^{Talk to Me!} 10:37, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you both for answering my question Aleena98 (talk) 11:07, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Aleena98, this is ad nauseam, but just as my senior colleague 331dot already stated, there isn’t any policy against it but let me share my experience I have lived in Nigeria for 20+ years now where power supply isn’t stable. So, sometime in 2019/early 2020 my device was seriously malfunctioning, whenever it wasn’t connected to power supply it tripped off so I had to improvise, whereby I saved every little edit almost immediately, in order not to lose my work if peradventure power went off, many saw this as rather disruptive but didn’t know my predicament nor bother to ask, Primefac was literally the only one kind enough to listen to me & ask me what the problem was, In summary whilst there isn’t any policy against this sort of editing, it can be disruptive in nature, especially when the editor doing such might be doing so to boost their edit count, which is rather shallow and counter productive as edit quantity means next to nothing what matters is edit quality.Celestina007 (talk) 11:13, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

You're right, I didn't consider potential internet/technical outages. Thanks for the insight Aleena98 (talk) 11:42, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

@Aleena98 How can it really take 204 edits to change 15 words? (See this) Nick Moyes (talk) 13:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

How to add a source?

How do I add a source to my page? Is there an article on how? Schoolman222 (talk) 11:24, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Schoolman222 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You can review how to add sources by reading Referencing for Beginners. However, your draft Draft:Roblox:Natrual Disaster Survival was rejected and will not be considered further. Please understand that Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about something, and is not a gaming guide. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources, such as published news reports, with significant coverage have chosen on their own to state about a topic, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability. Please review Your First Article. You may want to edit some existing articles in areas that interest you, and use the new user tutorial, to learn more about Wikipedia before attempting to create a new article- which is the hardest thing to do here. 331dot (talk) 11:28, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

I would further add that wiki type websites are not considered reliable sources, as they are user-editable. 331dot (talk) 11:31, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Schoolman222. In my view "How do I add a source to my page?" is like asking "How do I add foundations to the house I have just built?". Writing a Wikipedia article starts with finding the independent reliable published sources that all of the content will come from; because if you can't find the sources then the article will never be acceptabe, and anything you do towards it will be wasted effort. --ColinFine (talk) 13:31, 17 December 2021 (UTC)