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Pan-American English[edit]

I just created it but I'm not sure if it's the best idea. I based it on Pan-American Spanish, but English language has no specific article for all the Americas. Or does it have under another name? --MikutoH talk! 22:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

-ic[edit]

This suffix isn't exclusive of IUPAC. The target was changed without consensus, it was a soft redirect to wikt:-ic, which to me is the best target. Though it should be commented that the current target links to Wiktionary already. So dabifying is also possible I guess --MikutoH talk! 21:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak retarget to Ic. It seems there are three items to disambiguate here: the English language suffix, the (misspelled/transliterated) Slavic family name suffix and the suffix's use in chemistry nomenclature. The Ic DAB page has appropriate links for those uses. Though I think the hyphen pretty unambiguously signifies a suffix, so it's a bit inelegant to serve a reader a page full of links to search through. Maybe a tiny DAB page can be made. I'm not opposed to restoring the soft redirect to Wiktionary either. ― Synpath 22:46, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny be good[edit]

This was a 2-entry disambiguation page for the film Johnny Be Good and the similarly-titled (but much more popular) song "Johnny B. Goode", but @Mach61: redirected it to the former. I must admit I didn't realise until now the song title was spelled like that, but I'm only one person. Is the film the primary topic at this capitalization (inferring keep); or are readers much more likely to want the song (based on pageviews [1], inferring retarget); or is there no primary topic (inferring restore)? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Telephonics Corporation[edit]

Telephonics Corporation is no longer owned by Griffon Corporation. If Telephonics is not sufficiently notable for its own article, the redirect should be deleted. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 19:44, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:BRRRD[edit]

These two have similar names, but redirect to different pages. I'm unsure what these should redirect to, but I'm leaning towards a retarget both to Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle#Edit warring. mwwv(converse) 17:33, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Romani people in Paris[edit]

Recently created at WP:AFC/R. The target section contains very little information about the Romani people in Paris - only the line There is a Romani community in Paris. I'm inclined to think that this might be better off being a red link/being deleted per WP:R#D10, as the target article contains virtually no information on the subject of the Romani community in Paris. While Romani people in France does exist as an article, it doesn't mention Paris (other than briefly/in passing in the History section), and so also doesn't contain much information on the subject of the Romani people in Paris. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten[meow] 14:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Romani people in France. The factoid "there are Romani in Paris" doesn't seem like a particularly useful target for a redirect, and while this proposed target also doesn't have info specific to Paris, I don't think a reader would find it disappointing. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:26, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Romani people in Pristina[edit]

Recently accepted at WP:AFC/R. As far as I can see, the target article contains little to no information about the Romani people - therefore, I'm inclined to think that this would be better off as a red link/being deleted per WP:R#D10. While Romani people in Kosovo does exist as an article, that article doesn't seem to contain information about Pristina specifically, and so wouldn't be much help to readers searching for information about the Romani community in that area. All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten[meow] 14:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep It's definitely there, although it uses the misnomer "Romans". Queen of ♡ | Speak 14:51, 2 May 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Queen of Hearts (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this RfD. [reply]
  • Keep - if readers want to find information on the Romani of Pristina, this target is what we have. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:22, 2 May 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Ivanvector (talk • contribs) has never before seen the page that is the subject of this RfD, and doesn't see why the page creator commenting here needs to be flagged in this way. [reply]
    — Note to closing admin: Queen of Hearts (talk • contribs) is perhaps a bit too paranoid. Queen of ♡ | Speak 15:42, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jhanak[edit]

Redirect with confusing history left over from promotional copy-and-paste moving. A draft of this television show exists at Draft:Jhanak (and has also been created at other titles). Target is one of the networks it has aired on, but has no information on the show at all. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:19, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mestecănești[edit]

Delete Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Shoob[edit]

This is a meme slang term not mentioned at the target article, as garnered from the edit summary and rcats. Not useful in its current form as we have no further information about the term of "shoob" at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 04:38, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. I have the redirect target on my watchlist and the term "Shoob" has been added there many times without sources. Graham87 (talk) 14:19, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • retarget to Marvin Herman Shoob and tag as R from surname --Lenticel (talk) 00:15, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 10:01, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Can't think of a notable primary topic for this. Okmrman (talk) 13:21, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:FLUFF[edit]

Should have the same target as MOS:PUFFERY. Utopes (talk / cont) 17:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any further thoughts?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:49, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Desi (Tibetan)[edit]

The target doesn't tell me what "Desi" means in the context of Tibet. Is there a better target, or should we delete it if there's no substantive information? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:28, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment The most substantive information I can find is at Dalai Lama, where the term is used several times and briefly defined once as "regent" or "viceroy." I am not sure that would be a suitable target, however, since the discussion is so brief. It might be better to leave as a redlink or perhaps find a more suitable article where a substantive mention could be added (maybe Ganden Phodrang?). - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Liquid nails[edit]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Lower case version of what's apparently a brand of glue...? Adhesive? In any case, liquid nails are not mentioned at the target, and anyone typing this in instead of adhesive seems to be looking for something else. Has some history, but has also been to RfD before (13 years ago). Utopes (talk / cont) 05:08, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 14:34, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to PPG Industries (the owner of the brand), where the product is mentioned. - Eureka Lott 23:18, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete without a strong objection to retargeting to PPG Industries instead. The product is mentioned there, but no details are given, not even "it's an adhesive". Stating what the thing actually is should be minimum viable information. Here, it's just stated to be a part of an acquired product line related to the "architectural coatings" industry, which doesn't say much about what it is. Lacking the information, I think redlinking may be more useful... but I don't feel strongly about that, and so don't object to the retarget either. Fieari (talk) 06:37, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Also notified of this discussion at the proposed target talk.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 08:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mental gymnastics[edit]

I had to do some serious mental gymnastics to wrap my head around why this redirect exists. Sure, some people may perform mental gymnastics when "they're uncomfortable from their beliefs being inconsistent and contradictory". A similar idea I feel could be people perform the act of running to get from Point A to Point B, although that doesn't make the "running" a good redirect to "pathfinding". It's a singular mean to the end, and not everyone that has cognitive dissonance is "performing mental gymnastics", and not everyone that does mental gymnastics has cognitive dissonance. Example: I'm fairly sure I'm performing mental gymnastics right now in an attempt to jump through the logical hoops that went into this redirect, and I don't think I'm too uncomfortable from cognitive dissonance. I believe I've come to understand why, although I don't think it's a great end-all-be-all redirect that takes people to the right location at 100% intentions every time. To me, I feel like Convergent thinking or Divergent thinking are what I would have associated mental gymnastics with, i.e. following along with someone's thought process jumping through hoops with twists and turns to an eventual endpoint. Also, "mental gymnastics" is not mentioned at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 06:46, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Soft redirect to wiktionary Okmrman (talk) 16:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 14:35, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 08:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cocaine hippos, Cocaine Hippos, Cocaine Hippos (film)[edit]

Rather odd situation with these three redirects. For one, the film which these redirects are possibly meant to refer to does not seem to be mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. Regarding the other two redirects, it seems that one targets in anchor that does not exist, and the other redirect targets a different page than the redirect with the nonexistent anchor. At the minimum, I'm thinking the redirect with the "film" disambiguator needs to be deleted, and the other two redirects should at least target the same location. Otherwise, it might be best just to delete the whole lot of these. Steel1943 (talk) 08:07, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

did snowflame make those?
keep as it's mentioned, delete and create a redirect along the lines of "colombian nose candy hippos (documentary)" as that's what's mentioned there, and delete as there seems to be no netflix slop with that name (yet), respectively cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:28, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget both "cocaine hippos" redirects to Hippopotamuses in Colombia, the article about the hippopotamuses left over from the cocaine kingpin's estate. Links are provided there to Escobar and his estate. Retarget the film title to Pepe (2024 film), a recent film which has one of these hippos as its protagonist. I don't see the mention that Cogsan is referring to. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 15:15, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    lead on the first article, last paragraph on the second cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:40, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Other Mrs.[edit]

Not mentioned in the target article, and apparently not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. Apparently, the subject of this redirect is supposed to represent a film version of a novel by the same name written by Mary Kubica (no article) with the novel being published in 2020. As it stands, there seems to be no information about the novel or film anywhere on Wikipedia. (Also, I could not find any unrelated article to retarget this redirect since the phrasing of the title seems like it would represent some other notable subject, but ... my searches came up with nothing concrete.) Steel1943 (talk) 07:53, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Last Sons of America[edit]

Not mentioned in the target article, and not mentioned anywhere on Wikipedia. Looking at third-party websites, it seems that the subject of this redirect (a film by this name intended to be released on Netflix) was in some sort of pre-production phase after Netflix possibly, in 2019, purchased the rights to create a film version of a novel of the same name; the novel was apparently written by Phillip Kennedy Johnson (but there is no mention of any subjects by the name "Last Sons of America" in that article.) Regarding the film, apparently, Peter Dinklage was in talks to play one of the characters in the proposed film. However, that's kind of where the trail ends ... 5 years later, and no further news about the film. (For what it's worth, the subject of this redirect does not represent the subject at American Son (2019 film), a similarly named film also on Netflix.) In addition, it does not seem the novel which the film was to be based has an article on Wikipedia. In other words, deletion seems to be the best option here to either encourage the creation of an article about the novel (WP:REDYES) or ensure readers attempting to look for information about the nonexistent film subject are not led to a bunch of nothing. Steel1943 (talk) 07:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom and per WP:REDLINK. The novel may be notable enough for an article to be written; the evidently unproduced film is not and we have no information on it anywhere. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Boston Incident[edit]

This isn't commonly referred to as "Boston incident"; searching the term finds little about the massacre compared to other incidents (such as the 2007 Boston Mooninite panic). In the cases where the massacre is referred to with this term, it's only in a descriptive fashion and not as an actual name. Redirect was created by a quickly-reverted WP:POINTy page move in 2006. Elli (talk | contribs) 02:43, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete one would think the Boston Tea Party or Battle of Bunker Hill would be better -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 03:08, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep - although it seems ambiguous (my first thought was the Boston Marathon bombing) the article on the Boston Massacre notes in the lede that the event is also known as the "Incident on King Street"; "Boston incident" is a plausible misremembering. It's a more neutral title anyway, the article also notes in the lede that calling it a "massacre" was American patriot propaganda. As far as I can tell, the other events listed here aren't widely known as named "incidents". If deleted then don't disambiguate, search results would handle this better. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:27, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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