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March 4[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 4, 2024.

Fruit cups[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was Retarget. (non-admin closure) [I really hope I did this right and/or it's okay for me to do, lol.] Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 13:52, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fruit cup was recently retargeted to fruit salad. It makes no sense for the plural form to go to a different article. Retarget to fruit salad. JIP | Talk 23:45, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget as per Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 25#Fruit cup. Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 03:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Corea del Norte[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. โœ—plicit 05:03, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:RFOREIGN I don't think that a redirect from North Korea's name in Spanish will be of much use. Prodraxis (talk) 23:32, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per WP:RLANG. North Korea does not speak Spanish. Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 03:03, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Lunamann. โ€“LDM2003 talk to me! 04:46, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above.--Jack Upland (talk) 23:40, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Writer, illustrator, and publisher[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. โœ—plicit 05:03, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This phrase does not seem to be mentioned in the target article. Otherwise, it could be seen as misleading since the three topics in the redirect, Writer, Illustrator, and Publisher, are about topics exclusive from each other, so WP:XY applies. Steel1943 (talk) 23:31, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. These roles are not exclusive to comic books. - Presidentman talk ยท contribs (Talkback) 00:59, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. A redirect like this should only stand if the article it points to discusses the intersection between all listed concepts-- which Comic book does not do, given the concepts also intersect in other places (such as, for example, Visual Novel, or Children's book.) This is therefore an WP:XY situation, and should be deleted. Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 03:06, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and Lunamann. I suppose it's possible we could have an article at some point about indie visual artists who take on all three roles at once, but as Lunamann notes that could occur in many genres. ~ L ๐ŸŒธ (talk) 17:57, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Funny book[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 12#Funny book

Redirects with "Katha-" prefix targeting Comic book[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. โœ—plicit 23:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of these redirects are mentioned in the target article, leaving their connection between the redirects and the target unclear. I'm assuming they are all referring to a similar topic per the "Katha-" prefix and the fact they were all created by the same editor. Seems this topic may be a type of book with affinity with a specific non-English language, so WP:REDYES may apply. Steel1943 (talk) 23:25, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

เคฎเฅ‡เคŸเคพเค‰เคจ (that means Delete) as per WP:RLANG. The terminology here is apparently a Nepali word meaning "puppet book", as per Google Translate. Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 07:21, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Elements of a story[edit]

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The result of the discussion was withdraw/retarget to Narrative#Elements. Thinking about it, I do not see how it could refer to anything else. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 22:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The current target does not seem correct. In addition, in regards to articles listed at Story, there is no clear winner on which specific subject this redirect should target. In addition, since the disambiguation page Story does not list any element items, retargeting there would most likely be misleading as well. For these reasons, I suggest deleting this redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 21:27, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Candidates for the first novel[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 9#Candidates for the first novel

The novel[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts she/theytalk/stalk 20:30, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per the odd/unlikely use of "The". For reference regarding the use of "the" at the beginning of the redirect to refer to a non-proper subject/title, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 3#The toilet (RfD for The toilet). Steel1943 (talk) 21:14, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to The Novel. Not sure how I missed that. Steel1943 (talk) 19:01, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Plausible, much used, search term, and clearly the right destination. There are no books (or not many) on The Toilet or The Future of the Toilet, but groaning bookcases on the equivalents for the novel. Johnbod (talk) 21:17, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ...Yep, I think my point was missed, and the equivalent of a strawman argument was thrown in here, so adding my rationale from the linked RfD: "The use of the word "The" makes it seem this redirect is supposed to refer to a specific [novel] or the title of a work, not [novels] in general." Steel1943 (talk) 21:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Others below seem to feel the exact opposite (correctly, imo) ... Johnbod (talk) 16:45, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Eh, it's kinda going back and forth... Steel1943 (talk) 19:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Johnbod. Pageviews show relatively frequent, if low, usage. - Presidentman talk ยท contribs (Talkback) 22:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Steel. There is no One True Novel To Rule Them All. Compare this to, for example, The Bible, which IS (at least according to Christians) One True Bible To Rule Them All, despite the hundreds of different conflicting translations. Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 04:48, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
delete per "that's really not narrowing it down". a search for "the currency" could refer to literally any currency, from PlayCoinsโ„ข to euros, and similarly, "the novel" could refer to literally any novel cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:48, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To the last two: of course, it does, and that's exactly the point! Johnbod (talk) 16:31, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm... not sure I follow??? Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 16:39, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, does this help? Johnbod (talk) 16:42, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then... shouldn't this be retargeted to The Novel, then?? (If that's not what you mean, then I still don't follow lol) Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 16:48, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
so what would make any novel that isn't the novel "the"? it's not really "the" if there are other thes cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:00, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"the novel" is a general term for the novel as a literary form; The Novel is the title of a particular book, and it doesn't help to pipe it in a misleading way. Johnbod (talk) 19:01, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep. The editors saying "there is no One True Novel" are correct, but that's irrelevant, because Johnbod is right: "the novel" is an extremely common way to refer to the concept of novels. See this more targetted google search for the first example that came to mind: [1]. -- asilvering (talk) 16:24, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and definitely donโ€™t retarget to that random book called The Novel. In the literary field, โ€œthe novelโ€ is the absolutely standard way to say โ€œnovelsโ€. It means โ€œthe concept of novels without referring to any one novel specifically.โ€ For example, I study the novel in England in the late eighteenth century. Iโ€™d never say I study novels of the 18thC, as that would convey that I only care about a few specific books. asilveringโ€™s examples illustrate this too, RS will be called things like โ€œThe history of the novelโ€, โ€œBotanical imagery in the novel,โ€ etc, never โ€œnovelsโ€. Because this construction is essentially a standard academic jargon I think it is different from โ€œthe toiletโ€. The kind of person who types โ€œthe novelโ€ expects to end up at Novel โ€” and there are people who will type it. ~ L ๐ŸŒธ (talk) 17:24, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, appears to be getting slightly under one view a day, presumably by people expecting to end up where they're currently going. Redirecting to a reasonably obscure book would be quote surprising to most. Rusalkii (talk) 23:49, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Histories (history of the novel)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. โœ—plicit 23:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As a redirect, the structure of the title seems to be highly unlikely, regardless whether or not there is a specific "history" section in the target article to target this redirect. (The current section target does not exist.) However, this title held an article for a few months during 2005โ€“06 prior to being subject to an apparent WP:BLAR. Steel1943 (talk) 21:12, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Per nom. Left over from somebody's homework. Johnbod (talk) 21:34, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as vague modifier --Lenticel (talk) 07:12, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Not a plausible search term, clearly left over from previous organization. I'll go retarget the two links currently going to this redirect and directly point each one to where it ought to go. ~ L ๐ŸŒธ (talk) 17:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Having done so, both were really links to where we should have an article history (genre), which I can't believe is missing. (Adding it to my list...) There's definitely no remaining need for this redirect. ~ L ๐ŸŒธ (talk) 17:53, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Elements of a yarn[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:09, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is unclear what this redirect is meant to refer. In addition, I looked through Narrative, Narratology, and the current target, and none of the aforementioned articles mention the word "yarn". However, the fact that this redirect currently targets where it does makes me believe that retargeting this to Yarn might be erroneous. Steel1943 (talk) 20:29, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or retarget to Narrative#Elements. This seems obviously synonymous with "elements of a story" for me, and I don't think "a yarn" could plausibly be mistaken for "yarn" the textile. I don't think shaggy dog story is a good target candidate because many yarns are not shaggy dog stories. ~ L ๐ŸŒธ (talk) 17:35, 8 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Creating Stories[edit]

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The result of the discussion was withdraw/retarget to Storytelling. The WP:SNOWs have it. (non-admin closure) Steel1943 (talk) 14:02, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is not clear that the redirect is exclusive to the target, given that stories do no necessarily have to be fiction. Steel1943 (talk) 20:25, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Golden State Party[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to American Freedom Party#Origins. โœ—plicit 05:04, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Either there should be a stub article here to provide a place for more information to be added or this redirect should be deleted. The edit history says that the redirect was created to link to the inspiration for the name of the party. That may be true, but that article (Golden Party Badge) has no mentions of the topic of this one so I think this falls under reason #10 for deletion of a redirect. โ€”ย Preceding unsigned comment added by Crendrik (talk โ€ข contribs) 14:53, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm the one who created the redirect. I looked into creating a stub first, but there's so very little available from reliable sources that I went with the redirect instead. I don't think "#10 If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article" applies, as there's next to nothing that I found with a quick search, other than the connection to the Golden Party Badge. I agree that Golden Party Badge should maybe have a mention of this Party in it, but I'm not sure where to insert that. Fred Zepelin (talk) 20:37, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Delete as per WP:REDLINK. If it's notable enough, it should get its own article (even a stub) and/or get a mention in the redirect's target (and a redlink would inspire creation of the former). If not, delete. Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 11:17, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Pokemon character)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts she/theytalk/stalk 20:34, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the two only (pokรฉmon character) redirects for pokรฉmon, as opposed to the characters from the franchise. probably not worth making more for every other pokรฉmon, or considering them all individual characters cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:36, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak delete (Pokemon character). I like how they aren't even consistent between each other as to whether they should have รฉ or e. You'd think that they'd both be one or the other. Were the two redirects made by different people? In any case, delete both as per WP:UNHELPFUL-- a test search for Ralts (Pokemon character) pulled up List of Pokรฉmon characters and List of generation III Pokรฉmon as the first two results, with the latter being the page Ralts redirects to. Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 14:06, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The only mentions of "Ralts" on enwiki are related to the Pokemon character though. The same is not true for "Aron" and "Golem," both of which have other meanings. Presidentman talk ยท contribs (Talkback) 19:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Completely fair, that kinda screws up the Search Test. Can't really think of a different Pokemon to test-search for, then, where that sort of issue might arise. Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 03:25, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep These are both very plausible search terms - if we had articles about the characters it's possible they could be at these titles. Thryduulf (talk) 15:12, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep both per Thryduulf. These are plausible search terms, and who cares about the accent above the E, or "character" in the disambiguator? I assume they'd still search it and reach their target regardless.Regards, SONIC678 17:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    to be fair-ish, the accent or lack thereof wasn't really what i listed them for, as that was already handled before with the consensus to keep them, it was the difference between individual characters (like cynthia or her garchomp) and species (like... aron and golem) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:40, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Keep both per above. Both Aron and Golem have other meanings that render the Pokemon characters as non-primary topics. - Presidentman talk ยท contribs (Talkback) 19:34, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The header for this section is misleading since it's not about a redirect named (Pokemon character). Kind of wish the header was more descriptive, such as ""(Pokemon character)" as a disambiguator" or something, but oh well. (Don't have an opinion either way on this.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:55, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
+1 โ€”ย Godsyย (TALKCONT) 00:09, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Black War: Mission Exteme 2[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. with thanks to Jay for tracking down some misspellings in situ. (non-admin closure) asilvering (talk) 00:19, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Glaringly implausible typo, but can't be speedied because the target page was here for nearly a year. โ€”Cryptic 08:53, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep as a harmless {{R from move}}. Though I normally do support the deletion of such redirects, the fact that the target stayed at this title for nearly a year is concerning. Also, the typo is barely noticeable in my opinion, and an easy mistake to make. CycloneYoris talk! 07:53, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Rainbow Coalition (Ireland 1992)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to 24th Government of Ireland. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts she/theytalk/stalk 20:35, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:RTYPO. โ€‘โ€‘Neveselbert (talkย ยท contribsย ยท email) 20:31, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, โœ—plicit 00:18, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. These aren't typos, so there's no actual reason for deletion. The coalition was formed following the 1992 election, so it's somewhat plausible as a search term or pre-emptively disambiguated link. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:01, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • To clarify, the coalition was formed in 1994, but the preceding election was in 1992, and it seems reasonable that someone might associate it with the election year. I'm not familiar with Irish politics so I can't say for sure. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:00, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - the Rainbow Coalition was formed in 1994 not 1992. Spleodrach (talk) 23:31, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Notwithstanding the nomination reason, the Rainbow Coalition appears from the article 24th Government of Ireland to have been formed in 1994. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:45, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unless it is misleading, retarget to 1992 Irish general election#Campaign per Paul, which mentions predictions and opinion polls about the coalition during the time. Jay ๐Ÿ’ฌ 13:20, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Keep per Paul, whose rationale is convincing that this is a plausible search term. Thryduulf (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Paul 012 and Thryduulf: when you say Keep, I think it is understood that you are saying the new target would be 24th Government of Ireland, which is the target of nominated target Rainbow Coalition (Ireland). The nom had merely moved the redirect Rainbow Coalition (Ireland 1992) to a different redirect title Rainbow Coalition (Ireland), just before making this nomination. 24th Government of Ireland is of '94, NOT '92, and I'm not sure if the election year of '92 is what you were going with. Jay ๐Ÿ’ฌ 16:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • My intention was for 24th Government of Ireland as the target, as an avoided double redirect. The election article is a reasonable alternative, but my primary preference is still for the (1994) 24th government article, for consistency. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:56, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Either target works, but the government article is probably the better of the two. Thryduulf (talk) 18:09, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Paul and redirect directly to 24th Government of Ireland to avoid the double redirect. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:12, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more relist given the shift in momentum in the discussion, and the discussion regarding the possibility of a new target for the redirect.
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Terrorism in Israel[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 13#Terrorism in Israel

Deir el-Balah bombing[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 11#Deir el-Balah bombing

Matthew (Fire Emblem)[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 11#Matthew (Fire Emblem)

Down And Dirtys[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 17:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slang term which is not referenced in the article. "And" is also improperly capitalized. Delete. 162 etc. (talk) 05:04, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Down and dirty is a disambig, but the only thing plausibly pluralised there is the Canadian synonym for Cuba Libra, but that would presumably be "Down and dirties". The capitalisation of "and" is irrelevant as it's equally plausible to "Down and Dirtys". Thryduulf (talk) 15:29, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've removed the reference to Cuba Libre from the dabpage, could not verify that this is an actual use for "Down and dirty". 162 etc. (talk) 22:22, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 13:14, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - There's no reference on the target page and in quick searching I can't find any reference of this phrase to the target text. - Dyork (talk) 13:48, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tentative retarget??? Found a few tentative references to "Down and Dirties" as a street name for this drug, being here and here. No clue exactly how good they are as references, but it seems to be a street name for the drug, if not a common one. In any case, any actual keeping of this redirect would probably require retargeting to the disambig, and making the disambig have a link to Methaqualone. Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 13:21, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and Dyork. Also because of the incorrect pluralization. Jay ๐Ÿ’ฌ 06:15, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Parsley Elementary[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Retarget to Wilmington, North Carolina#Primary schools. There was insufficient discussion on whether to restore to come to a consensus, so that can be done boldly, and subject to standard NPP and AfD processes. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:36, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Wilmington massacre, as that is where the most information about this school can be found. The current target article does not mention "Parsley Elementary", so readers who go there will not find any explanation about what they are seeking. A school by that name was founded in 2001, and the current redirect was created as an article about that school in 2008. The article was WP:PRODded on 6 June 2011 (by Neutrality). A mention of the school was added to the Wilmington, North Carolina, article on 13 June 2011 (by Just Chilling, who has not edited Wikipedia since 25 July 2019), who also converted the school article to a redirect on the same day. The mention in that article was replaced with "Masonboro Elementary" on 23 November 2021 (by Onyxqk, with no edit summary). The change corresponds to a change of the name of the school made at around that time. There is much more of discussion of "Parsley Elementary" in the Wilmington massacre article, which contains a discussion of why the name of the school was selected in 2000 and why the name was then changed 20 years later. Additionally, I plan to restore a mention of the school's former name in the article about Wilmington, North Carolina. The school was renamed only a few years ago, so it is reasonable for people to be looking for information about a school with that name in that article. โ€”โ โ€Šโ BarrelProof (talk) 21:05, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, โ€”TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:54, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Wilmington, North Carolina#Elementary schools instead, in order to fix the wrong-section-heading issue (the article does not have a section called "Primary schools", but does have a section called "Elementary schools"). As it stands currently (edit: thanks to the nom), the name 'Walter L. Parsley Elementary' does show up in the article, as the listing for Masonboro reads "Masonboro (formerly called Walter L. Parsley Elementary)". In addition, the text 'Walter L. Parsley Elementary' in that listing is a link to Wilmington massacre, the proposed-by-nom target. Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 13:50, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: What should the target be? Wilmington, North Carolina#Elementary schools or Wilmington massacre?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh (talk) 13:14, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Retarget to Wilmington, North Carolina#Elementary schools as that seems to be a logical expectation of an end user if they are searching on this phrase. Going to the Wilmington massacre page doesn't make much sense to me and the school mention is just brief and farther down the page. I would expect someone winding up on the massacre page would be confused about why they are there. - Dyork (talk) 13:52, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Restore and add details that were available at Wilmington massacre. I did not find the content to be relevant to the massacre article, so I trimmed it, but it is available in the history. Jay ๐Ÿ’ฌ 06:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Koit (ajaleht)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. โœ—plicit 14:08, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Estonian name, invalid redirect. Redundant clutter for enwiki database Estopedist1 (talk) 12:23, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:R from subtitle[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 21#Template:R from subtitle

Tenemos[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 11#Tenemos

Thuc[edit]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts she/theytalk/stalk 15:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are seemingly many possibilities for targets found, based on searching this term in titles and pages. It is frequently used within the names of different Vietnamese subjects, as well as being similar to the currently existing redirect Thuc.. Utopes (talk / cont) 05:34, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Disambig per nom. Thryduulf (talk) 12:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. If this is as widely used as stated, then I don't see value in having it point to one particular instance, and a disambiguation page might get too large. I would just delete it. - Dyork (talk) 13:58, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambig for the Thแปฅc Dynasty and the few other people with the given Thแปฅc (Dฦฐฦกng Thแป‹ Thแปฅc and Mai Thuc). The numerous people with the Vietnamese middle name Thรบc are not worth including on the disambiguation page, for similar WP:PTM reasons that we don't include Anglo middle names or Russian patronymics on disambiguation pages: middle names never stand alone as a way to address someone or refer to them in running text, in the way that surnames or given names do in various cultures. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 23:40, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Dchicha[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 15#Dchicha

Glazed ham[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 11#Glazed ham

Osborn Corners, Ohio[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 11#Osborn Corners, Ohio

Fag Enabler[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. โœ—plicit 14:08, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to page where the term is not mentioned or used StreetcarEnjoyer (talk) 04:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete based on the history (and deleted history) this is related to Fred Phelps/Westboro Baptist Church. It is mentioned at The Most Hated Family in America#Content where it describes one placard at a picketed funeral saying Diana [Princess of Wales] is criticised by the organisation as a "fag enabler". That's just one quote from the middle of a paragraph containing several others, including the unquestionably more notable "God hates fags", so I don't think it would make a good redirect target. There was previously an article at Fag enabler, but that was speedily deleted as an attack page partway through an AfD, the content was entirely unsourced and consisted of a definition and a list of 5 people (all American religious figures) who allegedly met that definition. The AfD nominator stated they "Can't find any sources discussing the importance of the phrase itself - the only references I find are in relation to WBC's campaign", 13 and a half years later that still seems to be true. Thryduulf (talk) 12:42, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per reasons outlined by Thryduulf above. - Dyork (talk) 14:04, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per Thryduulf. In the (at this point seeming very unlikely) event that this redirect is kept, please tag it as non-neutral, and retarget the redirect to LGBT slang#Slurs, as it's where it would go if it were in the article (and said section DOES contain the related term "Fag".) Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 05:14, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Unmentioned Pokemon characters[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete/Retarget per Queen of Hearts. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:20, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pokemon character not mentioned at the target article. Utopes (talk / cont) 02:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Bundled the rest of these titles after leaving the following comment: "Bundle of other Pokemon character redirects without mentions at the target. After the removal of most/all gym leaders from the target, there are many misleading redirects that have been left as a result. I don't think it's possible to get through all of these in one go so this will only be a handful of possible egregious examples." Utopes (talk / cont) 04:04, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support โ€“ I cleaned this article out of all the non-notable cruft a while back, but never had the redirects deleted. This is good and necessary cleanup, thank you! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:07, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
support deleting all, but maybe checking if the unova elite four could get something someday cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:00, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to List of Pokรฉmon anime characters. I've not checked every single one of these redirects, but those I spot checked are all mentioned there. Thryduulf (talk) 12:45, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    i checked, and not all of them are there
    but if they were and got retargeted, i would support cleaning that list up and bringing 95% of the redirects back to rfd anyway, as it's currently only barely less fancrufty than a nintendo direct reaction stream cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh boy, this is about to be a WP:TRAINWRECK isn't it? Will go through and figure out which appear in this alternate target and which don't, later, if someone else doesn't beat me to the punch. Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 14:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, here we go!
Extended content
The following were not found at all:
  • Gonzap
  • Hex Maniac
  • Marshal (Note: The fact that he's not under Elite Four is surprising.)
  • Pokemon Pinchers
  • Pokรฉmon Pinchers
  • Shauntal (Note: Also expected to be under Elite Four alongside Marshal.)

The following were found at List of Pokรฉmon anime characters#Elite Four:

  • Aaron (Pokรฉmon)
  • Bertha (Pokรฉmon)
  • Caitlin (Pokรฉmon)
  • Drasna
  • Drake (Elite Four)
  • Grimsley (Pokรฉmon)
  • Glacia (Pokรฉmon)

The following were found at List of Pokรฉmon anime characters#Unova Gym Leaders

  • Brycen
    Brycen (Pokรฉmon)
  • Burgh (Pokรฉmon)
  • Chili (Pokรฉmon)
  • Clay (Pokรฉmon)
  • Cress (Pokรฉmon)
  • Drayden (Pokรฉmon)
  • Skyla (Pokรฉmon)

The following were found at List of Pokรฉmon anime characters#Sinnoh Gym Leaders

  • Crasher Wake

The following were found at List of Pokรฉmon anime characters#Kanto Frontier Brains

  • Pike Queen Lucy

The following were found at List of Pokรฉmon anime characters#Unova Subway Bosses

  • Subway Bosses
The ones that are not found, delete, everything else, retarget to the relevant section of List of Pokรฉmon anime characters as per Thryduulf and my own findings as listed here. Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 16:50, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dear holy gods, Convenient Discussions did NOT like trying to edit that comment, something about the formatting screwed it all up. Note to self: Never use Convenient Discussions to edit a comment with a collapsible, always edit manually, else you're going to pull the entirety of RtD into the collapsible. troutย Self-trout Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 16:54, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
holy fuckeroni
time for some notes from further research (totally not bulbapedia)
  • with the exception of caitlin, the unova elite four is missing from the list, and also the anime (i'm not counting cameos in gotcha)
  • there are two drakes. one is a hoenn elite four member, the other is an orange league gym leader, making the latter the true real drake from the anime
  • glacia wasn't in the anime, apparently. i actually think this one could be a disambiguation like glacia, as that's also glaceon's japanese name, and that one is an actual pokรฉmon, so it should logically have the (pokรฉmon) redirect... right?
  • for the subway bosses (really not sure why gen 5 loves them so much), ingo is kind of juggled between gen 5 media and legends: arkoos, so i don't know what to do with him
for all the others, retarget them for now, but still don't be surprised if they end up back here if that list is ever cleaned up cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:52, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Subway Bosses. Several video games have bosses in subways, in addition to the term in Pokรฉmon apparently being more precise that "subway bosses". (No opinion on the others, but that one was really odd.) Steel1943 (talk) 19:33, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Gonzap, Hex Maniac, Marshal, Pok(รฉ)mon Pinchers, and Shauntal as unmentioned and Subway Bosses as ambiguous, retarget the rest. Queen of Hearts she/theytalk/stalk 20:28, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Chilli (dog)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to List of Bluey (2018 TV series) characters#Chilli Heeler. Jay ๐Ÿ’ฌ 03:48, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A redirect recently created at WP:AFC/R. This having a different target than Chilli dog may be confusing. While it might be expectable for Wikipedians that the "(dog)" indicates a modifier to the rest of the search term, I don't think this is necessarily an automatic assumption. And even if it was, Chilli is a real food item that can be served in a "dog variety" (i.e. as a chilli dog). I feel like there are several search terms that can be used to more-reliably reach the Bluey character, but something as vague as "dog" when hot dogs exist might not be that likely. Utopes (talk / cont) 02:54, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: The redirect creation is requested by me. 176.33.244.31 (talk) 07:21, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This is not a reasonable search term for anything other than a dog named "Chilli", and the target is the only content we have about such. A chilli dog is not a dog. Thryduulf (talk) 12:47, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Thryduulf Retarget per Slgrandson. As Thryduulf said, a chilli dog is not a dog. (Note that I accepted the WP:AFC/R request) ~ Eejit43 (talk) 13:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Thryduulf and Eejit43.Retarget as per Slgrandson. The WP:SMALLDETAILS are important here-- the parentheses around 'dog' means that 'dog' is a disambiguation, not part of the name of what this redirect is about. This title refers to something named or called Chilli, which is a dog-- not to a "chili dog", which is not a dog. Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 14:12, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I don't have a particular opinion on this one, but I guess I would ask if we honestly think many people might search on "Chilli (dog)". Do we have any data or way to see if people are doing that? (I guess I just don't personally think about searching Wikipedia that way, but I'm just one person.) - Dyork (talk) 14:15, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This redirect is too new to have any meaningful usage data (the first few days of a page's existence always get more views than typical, presumably from new page patrollers, and being listed at RFD also always generates views), but the "name of subject (type of thing)" pattern of search terms is extremely plausible given that it's how many Wikipedia articles are named. For example Sylvester (cat) (which redirects to Sylvester the Cat) got 43 views last month and Pluto (dog) (โ†’ Pluto (Disney)) got 83. Thryduulf (talk) 14:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to List of Bluey (2018 TV series) characters ยงย Chilli Heeler (as seen on AFC's recent-graduates feed). (Apologies if I remain away from active WP duties for quite a matter of months; see my recent summaries as to why.) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 00:24, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Bingo (dog)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Bingo. Jay ๐Ÿ’ฌ 03:13, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A redirect recently created at WP:AFC/R. There are several examples at Bingo for different dogs with this name, but it's not entirely clear whether this is the primary topic, especially given that many of the characters from Bluey are puns on pre-existing dog varieties. Utopes (talk / cont) 02:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: What about the dog in Bingo (folk song)? Also, the redirect creation is requested by me. 176.33.244.31 (talk) 07:18, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Bingo as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. Thryduulf (talk) 12:48, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Bingo, there are definitely more characters other than the Bluey character. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 13:13, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete (or Retarget). Given that this was apparently just recently created, I would suggest delete as it may not have much usage or help anyone out. If people really want to keep it, then the retarget to Bingo seems the most logical. - Dyork (talk) 14:11, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Even if this weren't a very plausible search term (it is) it would be entirely harmless (when regargetted) so I'm see no justification for deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 14:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate. We have four articles that this could apply to - Bingo Heeler, Bingo (Puppy Dog Pals), Bingo (1991 film) and Bingo (folk song) - so a separate dab page is a possible solution, rather than readers having to look for the article they want on the full Bingo dab page. Tevildo (talk) 20:44, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to existing Bingo DAB. I don't particularly see a reason to break off an entirely separate DAB page specifically for dogs named Bingo, given the page already is well organized enough and has few enough results that it shouldn't be too hard to find all four of the proposed entries to the new DAB. Lunamann ๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™๐ŸŒ™ The Moooooooniest (talk) 03:37, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Bingo as there are a lot of potential targets there --Lenticel (talk) 07:15, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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