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November 17[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 17, 2023.

Foreign Secretaries[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 24#Foreign Secretaries

Oprah's Last Chapter[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 02:54, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Target article is unclear on what this redirect is meant to refer. Steel1943 (talk) 18:30, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment, leaning delete. This seems to relate to Oprah Prime, which was known as "Oprah's Next Chapter" (and mentioned on the main article) at the time this redirect was created in 2013. Google search results, which all date from 2012-13, fall into three groups. The first are reactions, mainly by Indians, against a particular episode in July 2012. The second group consists of miscellaneous reviews and commentaries on the show (some from reliable sources, others not). If these were the only hits I'd be unhesitatingly recommending deletion, however there is a third group of hits from reliable sources that describe episodes or specials with this exact name, e.g. [1] (interview with Tina Turner), [2] (interview with Lady GaGa) [3] (interview with Rihanna). However as these are all contemporary with episodes of "Oprah's Next Chapter" they have left me confused. I'm leaning delete because we don't appear to have any mention of this on en.wp, but I'm not outright recommending that because it's possible we should have something to point to. Thryduulf (talk) 20:08, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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What prompted me to not vote delete was there was an actual incoming link (which I corrected before voting) which led me think this could be a plausible mistake. Jay 💬 16:57, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, I remain uncertain whether this is a mistake, a valid alternative name or something else (e.g. a disparaging nickname) - or possibly it's more than one of these. Thryduulf (talk) 17:05, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Thryduulf. signed, Rosguill talk 19:24, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Thryduulf; that's my reading of his evidence. --BDD (talk) 16:07, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Mao Genocide[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 17:58, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Controversial redirect whose article to which it is targeted does not mention that the name of the redirect is the common name. Also, it was created by a sockpuppet user. 2x2leax (talk) 06:59, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Similar nominations merged. Steel1943 (talk) 07:36, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Unlike the Cultural Revolution, there is nothing in the article that describes the Great Leap Forward as a genocide or similar. The GLF is instead described as a politicide. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:20, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Diviya[edit]

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The result of the discussion was Retarget to Diviya G K * Pppery * it has begun... 17:59, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the primary topic is a slavic deity and this is a misspelling of the woman's name Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 03:01, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
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Maple leafs[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 24#Maple leafs

Minor-attracted persons[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 27#Minor-attracted persons

🔥[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep but without prejudice. The outcome of the related VPP discussion should be honored. Fuzheado | Talk 15:32, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like this emoji could just as easily be representing a flame, which is where it might be better to point to (emojipedia, for example, describes this emoji as depicting "a flame"). — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 18:36, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Trumpesque[edit]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 15:58, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Should this redirect to Trumpism instead? Steel1943 (talk) 19:08, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • I would tend to think not, since the word can be used to refer to ostentatiousness as readily as to a particular political movement. BD2412 T 19:16, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Based on the wiktionary entry, I would lean towards keeping as a {{r from adjective}}. Edward-Woodrow • talk 20:13, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as is, per SlateBlue ; adjective referring to the style of Donald Trump -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 12:41, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirecting to Trump's page won't help the reader understand what Trumpesque means. Why not change the redirect to the wiktionary entry? Space4Time3Continuum2x (cowabunga) 20:14, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • The target current documents the style of Donald Trump, thus providing the information about the topic of the redirect. The definition of it is missing, but Wikipedia is not a dictionary, so the definition of the word isn't needed, just the topical information that the word refers to. WP:RKEEP #6 and WP:RPURPOSE would cover this. Trump + wikt:en:-esque forming a commonly found form of closely related word. -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 00:43, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Keep or soft retarget to Wiktionary?
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  • Wiktionary as proposed. Still don't understand the separate article meaning. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:20, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd prefer Wiktionary (see {{Wiktionary redirect}}), but the current target is also acceptable for me. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 06:45, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Holy Spirit Catholic School (San Jose, California)[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 26#Holy Spirit Catholic School (San Jose, California)

Harpo Winfrey[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Harpo Productions. Nominally no consensus, defaulting to retarget in the absence of support for the status quo. signed, Rosguill talk 19:22, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like a potential WP:XY issue pertaining to the target subject and Harpo Productions. Either way, the use of the word "Harpo" in regards to Oprah Winfrey ("Harpo" is "Oprah" backwards) refers more to the company "Harpo Productions", given that the biographical subject is not usually, if ever, referred to as "Harpo". Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hamas militants[edit]

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The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 02:11, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Should this redirect here, or the main Hamas article? GnocchiFan (talk) 23:14, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The term "Hamas militants" going to the article on the military wing of Hamas (that is, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades) is very logical and sensible. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 13:38, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that logic, but is this what the term "Hamas militants" means in common parlance? GnocchiFan (talk) 16:56, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think so. All of the regular forces of Hamas would fall under that umbrella, from what I understand. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 20:56, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep I don't know much about how Hamas is structured, but if I reached this article I would probably be satisfied. If I was looking for the main article I could just click the link in the lead. --Trialpears (talk) 06:52, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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First violin[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to String section. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 02:12, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Potentially unclear if this redirect is meant to refer to the target, or to String section which contains reference to a "first violin" section rather than a sole individual. Steel1943 (talk) 05:40, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See definition 2 at: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/first_violin
Samw (talk) 12:01, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think wiktionary is officially "RS": and I do not think this definition is correct. As the second definition suggests, the "number one violin" in an orchestra is called the "leader" in Britain, the "concertmaster" in America. But otherwise, the expression "first violin" (usu/often plural) refers to the first violin part or players, as the first defn. at wiktionary says, before it goes off the rails. Imaginatorium (talk) 17:29, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to string section as proposed. First violin refers mainly to the section, not the one position. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 15:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Andachtsjodler, Austrian devotional yodel[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Fuzheado | Talk 15:31, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Unlikely search term, especially in its entirety. Florian Blaschke (talk) 01:18, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per unusual Wikipedia structure. No parenthesis and comma between first/last Yoblyblob (talk) 16:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Was previous name when created at AFC / NPP. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep: harmless and unambiguous, and redirects are WP:CHEAP. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 21:08, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Not particularly helpful since it contains a word and its translation, and redirects are WP:COSTLY. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 20:33, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 01:56, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Arcanists[edit]

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The result of the discussion was soft redirect to Wikt:arcanist. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris talk! 02:10, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Very ambiguous search term (see Special:Search/Arcanist) pointing to something only barely mentioned at the target. * Pppery * it has begun... 00:29, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Fools Rush In(song)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Fuzheado | Talk 18:36, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the extra space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Fools Rush In (song), is a redirect that targets the same target as the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 00:25, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Philip Dunne(writer)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Fuzheado | Talk 18:35, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:RDAB due to the extra space between the title and the disambiguator. The title with the correct spacing, Philip Dunne (writer), is the target of the nominated redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 00:24, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom and WP:RDAB. Why should this implausible redirect exist if the correctly formatted one does? Regards, SONIC678 00:31, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:RDAB. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 07:41, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom; correct entry exists. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 16:12, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:36, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I tagged this page for G6 because it appears to be the result of cleaning up a page in error through a page move. One from a decade and a half ago, yes, but I think G6 still applies here. Awesome Aasim 19:55, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete it was at this title for a few hours in 2005. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:07, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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