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February 10[edit]

This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 10, 2018.

Overton's 400[edit]

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The result of the discussion was resolved. -- Tavix (talk) 03:40, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please delete Overton's 400 due to new race name. Race is now Gander Outdoors 400. Source: http://www.poconoraceway.com/gander-outdoors-400-150-events-announced.html → Robbie2448 (talk) 21:54, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete to allow the Chicagoland race, which is currently at Overtons 400, to be moved to that title. Overton's 400 (Pocono) should be made as a redirect to Gander Outdoors 400 and a hatnote should be added in the article about the Chicagoland race. Dough4872 02:01, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pinging Oshwah who seems to have already deleted the redirect and moved the article over it. – Uanfala (talk) 03:10, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's all done :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:11, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Ashley Ketchum[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 01:29, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing about an Ashley is mentioned in the article. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:36, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete looking this up there were a few episodes in the anime where Ash crossdressed and called himself Ashley but I think that is to obsure for this redirect to be kept.--64.229.165.48 (talk) 23:43, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:11, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete per nom. I think this was when he fought the Celadon Gym. Obscure, 1 episode synonym at best --Lenticel (talk) 00:21, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Ash ketchup[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 01:30, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like more of a joke than a plausible redirect. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 22:24, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • DeleteLooking at the history it was in fact a joke article with the content being Ash Ketshup speelde mee in Pokémon. Groetjes, Sarah. I also never seen anyone think the surname was Ketchup so I don’t see it as necessary.--64.229.165.48 (talk) 23:31, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - whether it's a real thing or not, it's clearly virtually going unused. Not a plausible search term. Sergecross73 msg me 01:24, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I think this is not a joke but it was a false name proposed by characters used in a particular epsiode . Either way not worth keeping. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:41, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - @Lenticel:@Zxcvbnm:@64.229.165.48: I found where "Ash Ketchup" came from. Ash gives it as an alias in the English episode "Showdown in Dark City" (EP042) though he later changes it to "Tom Ato" while Misty uses "Ann Chovie" and Brock "Caesar Salad" ( I do not know if the Dutch episode uses the same puns/aliases). So it's not necessarily a joke, but an extremely trivial mention. Again, delete. WhisperToMe (talk) 01:42, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete seems to be a joke or a very trivial mention in the pokemon franchise --Lenticel (talk) 13:44, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Not a notable running nickname. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:12, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirects to List of current UFC fighters[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 February 18#Redirects to List of current UFC fighters

Super Luigi[edit]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to New Super Luigi U. (non-admin closure) Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 17:51, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This originally targeted Luigi until I retargeted it, considering that its current target is about a video game series. Now that I know about the existence of List of Luigi video games, I think this should be retargeted there. Steel1943 (talk) 22:22, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Hyrule Castle Town[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix (talk) 20:36, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not mentioned at target. Either delete or weak retarget to Universe of The Legend of Zelda#Hyrule. (I say "weak" on the latter since the target section is about Hyrule the kingdom, not Hyrule the city/town.) Steel1943 (talk) 17:45, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete People would just search for "Hyrule", or even "Hyrule Castle" if they wanted to know about it, so this is an implausible redirect.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 21:40, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Attention Admins: This is now being discussed elsewhere on a list of similar Redirects related to the very same video game. Please close this separate nomination as "Discussion moved," "Discussion merged," or whatever the term for this change of venue would be. This may be very bold of me, but I can see plain as day that it was the right thing to do. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 06:51, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • This bold merge has been undone. I purposely nominated this separately to avoid a WP:TRAINWRECK. Steel1943 (talk) 11:48, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • On what grounds would Hyrule Castle Town, and only Hyrule Castle Town, lead to a WP:Trainwreck? Separating the original list into dungeon and non-dungeon locations might be helpful, but as it stands, the Haunted Wasteland (for example) isn't a dungeon either, and yet it is on the original list. This doesn't help anyone, in terms of assessing location Redirects based on their significance within the game. Now as for mentions of locations in reviews or commentaries of the game, I highly doubt that Hyrule Castle Town is mentioned more frequently than the actual dungeons are. Highly doubt that. In short, you need to demonstrate why Hyrule Castle Town is slightly more notable than the locations on the original list, instead of just reverting me and essentially saying "Because I said so." The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 20:01, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • See nomination statement. The "weak retarget" option could be seen as plausible to someone. Steel1943 (talk) 16:20, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Location/level/stage redirects to The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Feel free to recreate any of these to a more suitable target. -- Tavix (talk) 20:36, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

These redirects are all locations/stages of the target article's subject not mentioned in the target article or Universe of The Legend of Zelda. Steel1943 (talk) 23:22, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as overly vague or gamecruft.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:56, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WP:Cheap. Otherwise, at least be consistent. Forest Temple, Water Temple, and Shadow Temple are not nominated at present. (Fire Temple, oddly, is an actual Article and not a Redirect.) Anyway, since Redirects are cheap, we should usually err on the side of keeping them. There are plenty of bad Articles, that are Articles and not Redirects, to be deleted here on Wikipedia! Exceptions would be, well, things that pose serious problems for syntax or are too long to expect anyone to type it in the Search Bar. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 06:41, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • WP:CHEAP is not a valid argument, otherwise I could cite WP:COSTLY right back. Many of these are confusingly vague, such as "Ice Cavern", which features in hundreds of video games. The ones that remain imply a level of crufty detail that the article doesn't have.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 11:37, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • (edit conflict) Referencing WP:CHEAP as a reason to keep a redirect really only applies when the redirect is essentially the same subject as its target. All of these subjects are minor subjects within the target article's subject, and these subjects are neither mentioned nor identified in the target subject. Leaving these redirects in place sets a false expectation that a reader looking up these redirects will find either an article or section regarding the subject of the redirect. Over the years, such subjects have either been wholly deleted and/or moved over or created on their respective Wikia-type site. Leaving such redirects on place on Wikipedia is problematic since readers end up finding no information about the subject which they just searched. Steel1943 (talk) 11:46, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Argument accepted for Ice Cavern and Haunted Wasteland, but not for the Temples (IE major dungeons). The Temples are far more significant, both within the game and in reviews and commentaries of the game. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 01:38, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The nomination for Hyrule Castle Town should be part of this same discussion, and not a separate nomination. I have copied its information accordingly. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 06:48, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • (edit conflict)...And I have undid this. I nominated that redirect separately since I expected a potentially different result for that redirect, and was attempting to avoid a WP:TRAINWRECK. Steel1943 (talk) 11:46, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Not with any justification, other than that nonsense about conflating Hyrule Castle Town with all of Hyrule. That is conflating a country (albeit a fictional one) with its capital city. In short, you have offered no justification as to why you expect a "potentially different result" on that from anything else on this list. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 01:50, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • Since I explained the alternative option in that redirect's discussion, I am unclear what "justification" I need to provide. Steel1943 (talk) 13:49, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nominator comment: It turns out that Spirit Temple is actually mentioned at the target (not sure why I failed to find it), but I still believe that it should be deleted as unhelpful due to lack of an explanation of the subject in-game, lack of notability as a standalone subject, its vague title, and unnecessary WP:GAMECRUFT. Steel1943 (talk) 15:24, 29 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reply comment: I still think that you are applying Article standards to Redirects, and you should re-read WP:Cheap. Redirects aren't subject to the same standards, or rather the same level or extent of said standards, as Articles proper. A Redirect by definition isn't being treated as a "standalone subject," but rather, the Target Article is the main subject. That is why a Redirect needn't have the same level or amount of notability as its Target, or any Article for that matter. I hope that explanation makes sense. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 19:46, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm making a claim that there is either no or insufficient information at the target to explain to the reader what the subject of the redirect is, which is enough to delete a redirect. In regards to actually adding the information to the target articles, yes, I do believe that adding enough information to identify the subjects of these redirects does fail Wikipedia's article standards to a point where they should not even be identified in dedicated sections of other articles. Also, I understand WP:CHEAP and do not believe that it is a reason to keep these redirects for the reasons which I have already stated. Steel1943 (talk) 13:47, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ice Cavern is overly generic for this target, so it should be retargeted to Ice cave. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 19:51, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just here to comment that were I to close this, I think I'd be inclined to relist. With that in mind, I'll note for the future closing sysop that I don't think WP:WPVG was notified for any of these proposals. While not strictly necessary, if a closing admin were to relist any of these, I think those folks might appreciate a heads-up given the bulk nature of this. Likewise for the Mario noms onthe 24th. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 22:28, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Delete all And anyone is welcome to re-create more of these to a more suitable target. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:10, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all - All real things, but unlikely search terms for Wikipedia. (In-universe game locations rarely have their own article.) Sergecross73 msg me 04:57, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Sonny Hedgehog[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 14:54, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Character article does not mention that he was originally named "Sonny". Search found nothing either. Seems like a hoax or some kind of original research. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 15:09, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Skateboard Park Tycoon World Tour of 2003[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 00:21, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect's title is incorrect; it links to a papge where the referenced game, Skateboard Park Tycoon: World Tour 2003, only appears in a very (very) long list, and does not give a lot of information on the topic, apart from its platform being Microsoft Windows. As such, the redirect is not of use to any reader. Lordtobi (✉) 14:03, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Chaos Blast[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 February 20#Chaos Blast

Chaos Energy (Sonic the Hedgehog)[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 February 20#Chaos Energy (Sonic the Hedgehog)

United States Colonial Marine Corps ()version 2)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. WP:CSD#G6, per below ~ Amory (u • t • c) 01:39, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently, this used to be some kind of draft on the main article space. Its history is essentially a duplication of the United States Colonial Marines history, which is a redirect that was moved from United States Colonial Marine Corps. I think it should be deleted because it confuses readers. Niwi3 (talk) 12:17, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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James Earl Carer Junior[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 15:13, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling error leading to implausible search term PRehse (talk) 11:59, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Hypersonic hegdehog[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 01:40, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Implausible typo. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 10:38, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Sonic the Hedgehog (Sonic Underground charachter)[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 01:40, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Implausible typo of an unnecessary disambiguation. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 10:36, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Ziaul Faruk Apurbo[edit]

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The result of the discussion was resolved. (non-admin closure) Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:14, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It links to a nonexistent page.  Anchorvale T@lk  06:31, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Sonic (2018 film)[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 February 20#Sonic (2018 film)

Sonails[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 01:41, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Implausible term not mentioned in article. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 02:43, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete- fan term that would never be covered in an encyclopedia. Sergecross73 msg me 04:04, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:58, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Is the idea here that someone would start typing Sonic and switch to Tails midway through? Silly idea. Red Phoenix talk 03:10, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as obscure fandom nickname --Lenticel (talk) 00:27, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Super form[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. There's some interesting history here (minor discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Julie-Su, mention at EVula talk page), and these are old enough to give me pause, but they seem to have been a thorn in the 'pedia's side for a while. Not to mention, Frieza and Ganon have some claims of their own... There's a lot of history at Super transformation, both main and talk, so if someone wants me to restore it for an {{R with history}}, I will. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 01:49, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not an exclusive concept to Sonic. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 02:37, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete all unlikely search terms when "Sonic..." is always a good start - and probable confusion and hijacking or terms beter used elsewhere.  Velella  Velella Talk   03:13, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all - per nom. No reason to think readers would search for these terms without any Sonic franchise names/terminology before/after. Sergecross73 msg me 04:06, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all per nom. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:58, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - These came about as a result of a Super transformation article that was redirected about 10 years ago. Even then, it was a poor article title and not worthwhile as an article in itself. Definitely confusing as a redirect as it is. Red Phoenix talk 22:32, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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List of items in Sonic games[edit]

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 February 20#List of items in Sonic games

Sonic apocalyptic monster[edit]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 01:42, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as a highly unlikely search term (I actually cringed when I saw this). Nothing shows up in Google, so I'm beginning to think that whoever created it made it as a joke. JOEBRO64 00:27, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - unless someone can explain what this is supposed to be. Sergecross73 msg me 02:21, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete There are plenty of apocalyptic monsters in the Sonic series.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 02:35, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - no relevance at all.  Velella  Velella Talk   03:09, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - It used to be an "article", but it was redirected to the main Sonic series page in 2007 when it should have just been deleted. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 04:53, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as confusing at best --Lenticel (talk) 00:27, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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