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December 15

Category: "Banks by year of establishment" and child subcategories should be renamed for clarity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Banks_by_year_of_establishment

The lists contained in this category include both banks and credit unions. As credit unions are distinct from banks but provide the same services, the title of the category is imprecise and could be confusing. Either the term "banks" should be changed to "banking institutions" or a new category should be created for credit unions. 63.228.212.200 (talk) 00:03, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

It might require a community concensus through discussion. Consider create a discussion by following the instructions in Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 02:07, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Long article?

I think Economy of India is too long, and has too many sections. I want to know what can I do? Dinesh | Talk 11:22, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

It is pretty long and has WP:SIZERULE problems with text of well over 100 kB. You could add the Very long template and discuss on the talk page where it might be trimmed.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 11:47, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Dineshswamiin 15,035 words, so per WP:TOOBIG, you're right.

There is a template (see History of Christianity), you can add that. You can WP:BOLDly start working, or try to discuss it at the talkpage first. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:48, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@Dineshswamiin Many sections of that article use the template {{main}} to indicate that there is already a more detailed article available about the sub-topic. Hence one strategy might be to reduce further the summary nature of what remains in this overview. You might also get some idea from related articles "Economy of [country]" although I suspect that many of them suffer from the same problem. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:59, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

How to change my picture that comes up when you google my name?

How do I change my picture that appears when you google my name? It is 7 years old. Merabmma (talk) 17:53, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Merabmma, us Wikipedia editors don't really have any ability to change what comes up on Google. Maybe try posting this on the Google Help Center? This doesn't really belong on Wikipedia and I doubt there's anyone here who can help you with your problem, but I hope you get it solved. Best regards, TypoEater (talk) 18:11, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello Merabmma.

1. If there is a Wikipedia article about you (whoever you actually are) with this picture in it, it's likely that Google copies this as well as article text to display in its 'Knowledge graph' panel (or whatever it's called), which can amalgamate data from a variety of sources. If that is the case, that picture in Wikipedia could be replaced with another, and Google might eventually start using that instead, although Wikipedia cannot influence this.
2. If there's a Wikipedia article about you that doesn't have this picture, Google is likely taking it from somewhere else and perhaps combining it with text from the article.
3. If however there is no Wikipedia article about you, this is something completely outside Wikipedia's control, as TypoEater says above.

Note that you have asked this question at the Wikipedia Help desk, which deals with problems specifically about using Wikipedia. It's possible that if 3. is the case, someone might be able to give you advice at the Wikipedia Computing Reference desk, where respondents try to answer questions about that general area of knowledge. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.215.44 (talk) 18:41, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

He's Merab Dvalishvili. He tried to upload a picture from his Instagram and it got taken down. Nswix (talk) 06:31, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Interlanguage links.

What is the policy of interlanguage links in English WP? I am a regular contributor in the French pages, and we welcome any outside links that can bring us to information to complement our pages. Sometimes, an article written in another language that doesn't deserve a full page in french has a connection to what is written. Today, I put this interlanguage link, Brad Cole, in the short article Live '88 (Supertramp album). FlightTime immediately reverted and my objections, simply stated, were just ignored in the end. I believe this is a mistake since instead of getting access to this american musician's article, who had a career in France, thus his inclusion on french WP, the info just disappears. Your thoughts? JeanPaulGRingault (talk) 18:05, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

@JeanPaulGRingault As far as I can tell from that article's history you removed that link yourself after FlightTime seemed to change his mind. Interlanguage links are, as you suggest, helpful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:20, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Looks like FlightTime only partially changed his mind. He restored the link to Marty Walsh, but not the interwiki link to Brad Cole. JeanPaulGRingault readded it, but then reverted themself to ask here. --Onorem (talk) 18:32, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Exactly, I wanted to restore my edit, but thought better of it and decided to raise this here instead. But of course, my hand touched the pad and I accidently published it !!! I immediately reverted it. Do you agree with my view or to we leave the name without the link ? JeanPaulGRingault (talk) 19:17, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I'm putting it back...Thanks JeanPaulGRingault (talk) 21:28, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

The {{ill}} template (which I assume you used) is provided for exactly this purpose. ColinFine (talk) 22:31, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I used {{Interlanguage link|Brad Cole|fr|Brad Cole (musicien)}} (Brad Cole) which I saw a number of times in articles. JeanPaulGRingault (talk) 23:26, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I fixed the link with the correct markup [[:fr:Brad Cole (musicien)|Brad Cole]] it lands at https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Cole_(musicien) - FlightTime (open channel) 23:34, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

In my view, I prefer the other markup (Brad Cole) because the red link might encourage someone to create the article in English. JeanPaulGRingault (talk) 23:50, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I support this so that readers aren't surprised by suddenly being taken to a Wikipedia in a different language. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:58, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes. And if someone does, the ill-link is automagically transformed to a "normal" en-wp-link. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:17, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

That is different, but in context not "correct". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:15, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

adding spouse

I am married to screenwriter Eric Roth. I want to add this to his profile and link it to my profile but can't seem to do it. Can you help me? Thanks. Dr. Anne Peters Norakit (talk) 22:08, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

We don't have profiles here, we have articles. I woukd make an edit request on the relevant talk page. Please also see conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 22:25, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Note that this information will require a citation to a reliable published source. ColinFine (talk) 22:33, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

I have added Anne L. Peters to Eric Roth's article with a reference to the LA Times. The template at the top of the article accepts spouse but not wife as a parameter. TSventon (talk) 22:42, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Help!!

How do I wright a new article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Html 311i0tt (talk • contribs) 22:36, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

You are essentially asking "how do I build a house" without knowing anything about construction, legal requirements, permitting, etc. It is highly recommended that you first gain experience and knowledge before attempting to write a new article, the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia. I woukd suggest that you first edit existing articles in areas that interest you, and use the new user tutorial. You can then use the Article Wizard to create and submit a draft. 331dot (talk) 22:43, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

See 331dot's reply. And if you can't spell "write" correctly, I worry about your article-writing capabilities. Cremastra (talk) 00:58, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Html 311i0tt, please have a look at Help:Your first article. That said, creating a new article from scratch is far from an easy task, and as you are a brand new user, it would be wise to start out with easier tasks than that. Please follow the links in the Welcome message 331dot left you on your User talk page, or the links above. Mathglot (talk) 20:04, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Need help with a new category: Disestablishments in Canada East

Hi, I'm working on some electoral articles for the old Province of Canada, which existed from 1841 to 1867. I'd like to add two categories to each of them: one for establishment in [year] in Canada East, and one for disestablishment in [year] Canada East. The thing is, there is a series of cats and parent cats for establishments in Canada East, but no series for disestablishments in Canada East. I've created one category for the articles: Category:1867 disestablishments in Canada East, but there's no parent cat to link it to. There is one for establishment (Category:1840s establishments in Canada East), but it's complicated and I don't know how to create the parallel one for disestablishments. Who should I contact for assistance on this, please? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 23:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Done. To create a parent category, you'll just need to clike on the redlink, and add the parent category that you want to create to the parent categories it belongs to. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 23:24, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, but what I was getting at is that the parent category for the "establishment" has a lot more info in it, and I don't know how to replicate that for the "disestablishment" parent category. This is what the "establishment" parent category has:

Portal|Canada|History|Geography}}

Category explanation|organizations, places and other things founded or established in the '''[[{{Title decade}}s]]''' in '''[[Canada East]]'''}}

Navseasoncats}}

Category:Establishments in Canada East by decade|{{Title decade}}s]]

Category:{{Title decade}}s in Canada East|/Establishments]]

Category:{{Century name from title decade|dash}} establishments in Quebec|{{Title decade}}s]]

[[:Category:{{Title decade}}s establishments in Canada|East]] Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 00:00, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

You can simply open the "establishment" category in the source editor, copy whatever is relevant, open the new category in the source editor, and paste the material in, editing as appropriate. Don't forget to say where you're copying from in your edit summary: see WP:copying within Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 00:31, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I copied the corresponding templates to the disestablishment categories with some adjustments (I only read your comment after doing some of them so I did not write edit summary, sorry about that). There was a problem when I try to change Category:Disestablishments in Canada East by decade, as the template DisestcatCountryDecade does not seem to work with the input "Canada". Is this some issue with the documentation of the template? Tutwakhamoe (talk) 00:59, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

What you did looks good, thanks! That's what I was hoping the parent category would look like. With regard to your question, I have no idea what the problem with Canada as an input may be; that's why I came here - I know very, very little about templates and categories.  :) The only thing that comes to mind is that Canadian Confederation occurred in 1867. Could that detail be affecting the outcome? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 01:27, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Which category is it you are talking about that is showing a problem, and what is the problem? ColinFine (talk) 20:55, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Changing title or display name for my page

I need help with publishing my user page under a new title. As of right now, my page was published under my sandbox name "User:Biology AD/sandbox". However, when I search this up my published page does not pop up on google. I am not sure what is going on. Could I get a administrator to move and publish my page under the title "ZNF839" Biology AD (talk) 23:51, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

User:Biology AD/sandbox is not yet an article, but a draft in a user sandbox: it should never be indexed by search engines. In principle, you could simply move it to ZNF839; however, as you are a relatively inexperienced editor, I strongly advise that you submit it for review, rather than moving it yourself.

I will add a header to it to allow you to do so when you are sure that it is ready. ColinFine (talk) 00:35, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply! I was wondering, by adding a header do you mean you will add a move option for me? Also, I clicked publish so I am wondering why it is not an article yet? Biology AD (talk) 00:39, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

How can I get my page out of the user sandbox mode and publish as an article? Biology AD (talk) 00:45, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

I moved it to "article" so that it is in the Wikipedia mainspace. However, it is still not being indexed by any search engines. Also, an info box was not added to my article after I published it? I was wondering how I can fix these problems? Biology AD (talk) 01:02, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

An infobox is not automatically added, so if you would like to add one you should add it yourself. (Assuming you are referring to other articles about proteins, Template:Infobox gene fills in based on the Wikidata item.) An article is indexed by search engines either after it is reviewed or 90 days (see WP:INDEXING). Getting it reviewed will likely take a while as there is currently a very large backlog of 12808 articles. ayakanaa ( t · c ) 03:06, 16 December 2023 (UTC

@Biology AD: We are an encyclopedia. We do not have deadlines. We want articles that will still be important 15 years from now. Quite a few enthusiastic new contributors want an article to be indexed by Google for all the wrong reasons. We have explicitly imposed a 90-day "no-index" on all new articles specifically to slow down the process and make sure the articles are actually encyclopedic. Your article may very well be encyclopedic (I have not looked at it) but it is caught in the molasses we were forced to impose to limit the silliness. -Arch dude (talk) 03:19, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

@Biology AD: I just looked at the article. It looks good, so thanks! If you are one of the researchers or are associated with one of the research groups, then please read WP:COI and explain you relationship on your user page. If so, you may be technically a paid editor as we define the term (WP:PAID), in which case you are required by our terms of service to disclose this association, also on your user page. This is not a problem at all, just a proper notification to interested readers. (If so, you should not have pushed the article into main space, but it's such a good article I personally will not object). I am not competent to review this article, so you will need to wait for an interested reviewer. -Arch dude (talk) 03:37, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

@Biology AD The article looks fine (I tweaked one ref giving a CS1 error). However, other similar articles are at the expanded names Zinc finger protein 800, Zinc finger protein 684 and so on so and we already had a stub at Zinc finger protein 839! You will need to sort that out. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:49, 16 December 2023 (UTC)