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October 6

My edit has been deleted

Why has my edit been deleted? It's easily verifiable. How can I include links to sources that don't yet exist because my novel is about to be published and therefore doesn't have a web page or anything yet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.187.56.48 (talk) 00:49, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a platform for the promotion of unpublished novels. Or for the promotion of anything else, for that matter. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:54, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

If your novel has no reviews yet, or any other reliable published info about it, then it's too soon for a WP article. See wp:TOOSOON. David10244 (talk) 10:26, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

How can I implement what another editor saw as CIRCULAR (but it points to another article)?

What I wish to do is point to text that was trimmed out of an article (without permanently adding it back). Two ways I could do this is to find (or build) an earlier version, and point using OLDID. A variation is to do this to another article. The particular case is: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IT_History_Society&diff=1114266871&oldid=1114097342 which was reverted as being CIRCULAR. Was the revert a case of CIRCULAR?

As for another approach: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SELFRED says "Redirect pages can contain other content below the redirect." IS THAT a valid location to place text, referred to via SaySomething&redirect=no (which someone questioned on my talk page). Would I also be allowed to use an ANCHOR? Nuts240 (talk) 05:05, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Nuts240. I do not understand the full implications or your question, but one thing that I know for sure is that one Wikipedia article can never, ever, ever be used as a reference in another Wikipedia article. Is that clear? Cullen328 (talk) 05:37, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Also, adding unreferenced promotional content to a redirect page (or any page) is not acceptable, per the core content policy Verifiability. I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish here. Perhaps you can clarify. Cullen328 (talk) 05:48, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

The content of redirect pages is not visible to ordinary readers. A redirect page takes the reader seamlessly to another page. Adding extraneous unreferenced content to a redirect page looks like navel-gazing to me. Am I missing something here? Cullen328 (talk) 05:56, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@Nuts240 So you want a place to "stash" some text so you can "point" to it? But not use it as a reference? This is confusing. I don't think WP has back pockets in which to store stuff. Why can't you just copy the text into whatever it is that you are creating. David10244 (talk) 10:31, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Sorry for not being more clear. This is not for a citation, but as a wikilink! If an article named BigGeorge had a long paragraph about his kid brother, and the paragraph was trimmed, then in a second edit it was deleted entirely. Could the trimmed paragraph be copied someplace, e.g. into a rediret named TheGeorgeFamilyOldestSonREDIRECT that says #REDIRECT BigGeorge. Then, could BigGeorge say:

Big has a kid brother.

This is not a reference, a la NYTimes, but rather doing a wikilink. To put it another way, was it justified that my [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.tphp?title Charles_Babbage_Institute&oldid=1114073747] The organization] was reverted? If yes, then can you recommend a workaround? Nuts240 (talk) 05:59, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

This, which may look like an odd wikilink, is what was reverted: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IT_History_Society&diff=1114266871&oldid=1114097342

Specifically: The organization

/ nowiki: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_Babbage_Institute&oldid=1114073747 The organization] Nuts240 (talk) 07:09, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

It wasn't a wikilink, because it wasn't to an extant Wikipedia article, and wasn't formatted as a wikilink. Maproom (talk) 07:34, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

• Forget the technical means. If content has been removed from Wikipedia (hence deemed unworthy of being in Wikipedia) for a good reason... Why would you want to add a link to that content in another article? If you want to contest the removal, there are proper ways of doing this, but re-inserting it via a backchannel is not one of them. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:25, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

If it's any consolation, Nuts240, the deleted material may be found in the article's history; it still resides on Wikipedia, though not in a form that is easy for the average reader to access.--Quisqualis (talk) 18:18, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

19E LOCOMOTIVE DECALS SET

Good morning my name is Sipho Mathaba Supervisor in paint shop, i need assistance on 19E Locomotive decals 41.160.22.72 (talk) 06:24, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

This is beyond the scope of the help desk unless it involves a Wikipedia article. I think this may be referring to South African Class 19E which may help, but the talk page there should only be used for discussions about improving the article, rather than questions in general.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:55, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Resizing

Hi all. Intermediate user here, but I did not know where else to turn. Anyone here familiar with the resizing of images? I am still getting the hang of them. This one is out of Copyright and calls into fair use as it's a deceased person. However the image within the article is too large. Usually I can manually resize, and typically there is also an "image size" area within the infobox template I can adjust, but there does not seem to be one on this occasion.. Main article is Fred Whitlam. Thank you. MaxnaCarta (talk) 07:54, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi MaxnaCarta. I believe that most infobox templates now automatically size images to the best size suitable for most readers and most devices as explained in WP:IBI; so, the size probably shouldn't be adjusted in the article. I think in many cases, size-related parameters like |image size= have been deprecated for many infoboxes (check Template:Infobox person#Parameters for an example of this). If you really need to resize the image in-article, you should do so per MOS:UPRIGHT and scale the image instead using perhaps a parameter like |image_upright=, but you'll need to check the infobox template's documentation to see whether the infobox allows such a thing. Now, if the file is non-free and you feel the uploaded version is too large or two high res per WP:IMAGERES, you can add Template:Non-free reduce to the file's page and a bot while eventually reduce the file's size. If you want to crop the image to make it smaller and don't know how to do so yourself, you can ask for help at WP:GL/P. Personally, I don't think the Whitlam image is either too big or too high res for non-free content use purposes and it should be OK. It also looks OK in the as its being used in the infobox of the article in my opinion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:13, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Appreciate you @Marchjuly! MaxnaCarta (talk) 09:38, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

KHALIFA OF ISLAM

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Mirza Masroor Ahmad HE IS NOT A MUSLIM AND HE IS NOT MUSLIMS CURRENT KHALIFA. kINDLY REMOVED THIS MIS DECLAIRATION ON YOUR SITE. THANKS 103.18.12.16 (talk) 08:26, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

If you have a suggestion for the article Mirza Masroor Ahmad, first read it carefully to make sure that it really says what you think it says. If it does, then please go through Talk:Mirza Masroor Ahmad/Archive 1 and make sure that your suggestion wouldn't merely duplicate one that has already been rejected. Having reassured yourself that no, it wouldn't, please go to the foot of Talk:Mirza Masroor Ahmad and make the suggestion there. Please be precise, and cite reliable sources for your assertions. And remember: the more CAPITAL LETTERS you use, the less persuasive you become. -- Hoary (talk) 09:18, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Our page Mirza Masroor Ahmad says: Mirza Masroor Ahmad (...) is the current and fifth leader of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. His official title within the movement is Fifth Caliph of the Messiah.

If any of the factual assertions in those two sentences (or in the article) are incorrect, please provide reliable sources to that effect; as far as I can tell, that person is not described as Caliph of all Muslims.

If your argument is that Ahmadiyya are not "real" Muslims, you will have to take that to Talk:Ahmadiyya - but make sure to read the archives first, for instance that discussion on the very same topic. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:15, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

You may find WP:CALIPH to be helpful. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 09:19, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

As mentioned previously, if Google misrepresented the content of the Wikipedia article, we have no control over that. Complain to Google about it. Note: this user is unlikely to return to read any of these responses, but for the backstory on this, it caused a flurry of activity in December 2020; see this ANI thread. See also WP:Ahmadiyya Caliphate information. Mathglot (talk) 18:37, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Case-Sensitive Search within Wikipedia

Found this answer but the link link no longer work. I am looking for articles with a stress syllable eg PEE (so they aren't in IPA format) (Happy to do it an external search engine, but can't find any that have case-Sensitive search) Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 09:06, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wakelamp: insource:/.../ is case sensitive but should be combined with another search for efficiency: PEE insource:/PEE/. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:30, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

The first PEE narrows the search to pages where "PEE" is treated as a word by the search engine. If that's bad for your case then look for another search to combine with, e.g. hastemplate:"IPAc-en" or hastemplate:"respell". I don't work in the area and am not sure what is relevant. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:37, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Thank-you, I am sorry that I you to trouble without explaining Your comments allowed me to work out what was wrong (I think), but the problem has disappeared!

When I search for wikipedia in google search, i was getting PEE -Wikipedia as tittle for en.wikipedia,I thought I had been hacked

- it's not something to do with capitalisation of IPA. (thank-you)

- it's not my Windows 11 PC being hacked

Google auto creates the title based on these rules

So, I think it was due to the PE being in bold (sorry i don't know how insert code snips,so GT = > and LT = < )

GT i title="English pronunciation respelling" LT wik-ih-GTspan style="font-size:90%"LT PEE GT/span>-dee-ə LT/i GT Wakelamp d[@-@]b (talk) 15:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

@Wakelamp: I cannot decipher your post but if the problem has disappeared then good. If you seek help then at least try to say what the problem is from the start. If the problem is with a search then say which search. If the problem is with a page then say which page. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:20, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Photo added to my Wikipedia page

How May go about submitting one? Please thanks you. Thomas G Waites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:A440:16D7:2D94:2868:E561:3AD4 (talk) 13:41, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Thomas G. Waites - 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:47, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

IP editor, the easiest way to submit a photo for the article is to create an account, either here or at Wikimedia Commons. Here is a link to do that on Wikipedia: link. Then take a selfie - note that you must take the picture of yourself, so that you will be the copyright holder - and upload it to Wikimedia Commons via the Upload Wizard. Here is a link to the Wizard: link.

Then come back here to the Help Desk, logged into your new account, and say the photo is available and ask someone to add it to the article. We can do the rest. Alternatively, you can have someone else take the photo, register for an account, and upload the photo; as long as they are the photographer, they can release it for use. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:22, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

It appears that the OP already has an account: Tommy Waites. Tommy, a photograph of you wouldn't help the article much. The article has a major, photo-irrelevant problem: swathes of text that lack any references. Citation of reliable sources is a must. -- Hoary (talk) 06:35, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Is it possible to get email replies or notifications when someone responds to one of my talk topics?

I've been following the pages I add a talk too and checking every so often but this isn't an efficient way, I want to get some sort of notification when someone replies to me regardless of it they mention my username in their comment (I get notifs if they mention me, but that doesn't always happen) ReidMoffat (talk) 16:40, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not an expert, but this is doubtful based on WP:PING. Generally speaking, if you have contributed to a talk page, you should add it to your watchlist and follow it by checking manually to see how the discussion is going.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:28, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

If you "subscribe" to a talk page section and enable "Talk page subscription" email notifications at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo, you should get email notifications when others respond. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:32, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@ReidMoffat:, yes; as Firefangledfeathers, click the 'subscribe' link. Mathglot (talk) 10:00, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Reference Check, Help, ect.

Hi, I plan on making an article about a biome that is in the video game Subnautica. I wanted to list my sources below for you to see if they are correct so I can begin. I did not want to write it all up so it could be shot down. So, please do let me know if these sources are good enough; They are the only sources I find to be the most reliable and professional about this subject. I know you guys do not accept fandom, so please appreciate me searching for other sources besides that.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/264710/allnews/#scrollTop=0 https://vgkami.com/where-is-the-lost-river-in-subnautica/ https://unknownworlds.com/subnautica?s=lost+river https://subnauticamap.io/i/Lost_River https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTrSOzTJ8hU&list=PL_MvZYBBisFaoSzaEyr5uNTrQb7_ny4mi&index=9 https://guides.gamepressure.com/subnautica/guide.asp?ID=43698 2601:5C7:4100:3600:CCE5:EB6E:5374:3BAC (talk) 18:20, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

IP editor, I'm afraid none of those sources are acceptable. If you can find professional reviewers talking about this biome, specifically (not the game as a whole), then you might have a shot, but it's going to be a rare game indeed in which a certain section becomes independently notable. Steam, YouTube, online game guides - these are not nearly enough. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:30, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your time. 2601:5C7:4100:3600:CCE5:EB6E:5374:3BAC (talk) 18:33, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

To give an example as to what would make a portion of video game notable in and of itself, see Hot Coffee (minigame) (warning: mature content). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 23:33, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

@Jéské Couriano: I have clicked on that link expecting some barista simulation minigame, and was greeted by a rather explicit picture. I decided to edit your post to add a warning for future clickers, hope you don’t mind. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:20, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

It's incredibly unlikely that this is a subject suitable for a standalone article on Wikipedia. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:31, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Question about a list

Hi there! I have a question, please: if I'm editing/making a list where a word could be repeated, such as:

Adjacent counties

• Gem County
• Boise County
• Elmore County
• Owyhee County
• Canyon County

should I write it like that, repeating county every time, or, since the title of the list already states that each item of the list will be a county, have the list read like:

Adjacent counties

• Gem
• Boise
• Elmore
• Owyhee
• Canyon

? I understand word count isn't something to worry about - I ask mainly for reader comprehension, and accessibility for those who use screen readers and would have to listen to county repeated each time. I hope this question made sense, and I appreciate any answers. Thank you so much for your help! HeyElliott (talk) 19:28, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

My feeling is that, when it's very clear from the context that the thing is a county, there's no reason to add the word "county". But I'm a Brit, we just refer to "Yorkshire", "Cornwall", etc., without ever adding "county". Maproom (talk) 20:26, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Except traditionally for County Durham; and of course, all the Irish counties. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.193.128.129 (talk) 16:01, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Speaking as an American, I disagree with Maproom. In the US, the word county is almost always used when discussing counties. At least in part, this is for disambiguation reasons. For example, the city of Boise, the largest city in Idaho, is not even located in Boise County, Idaho. Here in California where I live, we have quite a few counties that share names with cities, but are much larger than those cities. Examples include Los Angeles County, California and Santa Clara County, California and San Mateo County, California and Sonoma County, California and Sacramento County, California. I live in Nevada County, California, which got its name before the state of Nevada even existed. Cullen328 (talk) 21:20, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

If the items are on separate lines like your example then I would repeat, at least for counties. If they are on the same line then don't repeat. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:24, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

The mention of British counties is irrelevant. As far as I know, not one county anywhere in Britain is ever referred to as "XXX County", so "XXX County" would never occur in a list. They can be referred to as "The County of XXX", but it would be unusual to write entries like that in a list ColinFine (talk) 17:45, 7 October 2022 (UTC)