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February 4

sterling club sets up nasty groups!

It is not ok! they will force you to be friends with alex or don wood again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.108.98 (talk) 01:13, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

What is your question about editing Wikipedia? --ColinFine (talk) 14:02, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Jack Parsons (rocket propulsion engineer)

the content has been moved here after an initial posting at the top of the page which inadvertently blanked the instructions -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:10, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

For nearly 25 years, my partner (recently deceased) have been working on a Parsons documentary. We interviewed virtually all of his friends and colleagues who are/were still alive. My partner collected hundreds of photos of Parsons and his cohorts and even discovered a gelatinous substance tucked away in the JPL archive that turned out to be the only complete coverage of the first jet-asisted take-off (JATO) in which Jack and other key personnel are featured, We continue to work with the blessing of the Cameron Parsons Foundation and the Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.), where Aleister Crowley's philosophy of Thelema is still practiced world-wide.

The first biography of Jack Parsons to be published was SEX AND ROCKETS by "John Carter" without the cooperation of the C-P Foundation or the O.T.O. The second bio appeared a year later under the title STRANGE ANGEL…, and we all cooperated with the author, George Pendle, who presented us with a genuinely insightful book proposal and had gleaned much technical knowledge as science writer for the London TIMES; I shared with him all of our interview material and he was then able to expand upon what I had learned. I'm still confident that our documentary will gain further financial and creative backing to finish one day.

The Wikipedia biography of Jack Parsons is primarily extracted from the Pendle book, and I see Spencer Kansa's WORMWOOD STAR an unauthorized biography of Jack's widow, Cameron, published as WORMWOOD STAR. I see references to FBI files, JPL archives and works by and about Aleister Crowley credited in the footnotes. The many, many, many contributors to Jack's Wikipedia entry have garbled the facts like the old game of "Telephone."

Most recently "Sir Richardson," a 20 year old Brit named Jacob Joseph Angelo Richardson (username JJARichardson) has made a ludicrous amount of "fixes" and says on his user page that he's working on getting Parsons into the "Featured Article" category. That would be wonderful, but not at the expense of accuracy.

I would like to get in touch with young Richardson in hope of taking him through the Wikipedia draft verbally. He boasts of his editing acuity, and I believe I may be the world's #1 scholar of Marvel Whiteside Parsons, commonly known as Jack. Could you, kind scholar, please put us in touch?

I have signed up for access to Wikipedia only today, and I'm terribly confused. Could you, kind scholar, please put us in touch? Please put me out of my misery.  : - )

Adastra213 = M. Susan Pile THANK YOU! — Preceding unsigned comment added by M.susanpile (talk • contribs)

you can talk to JJARichardson (talk · contribs) by clicking on the link and editing his user talk page, or by clicking the Jack Parsons (rocket propulsion engineer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) talk page link of the article and leaving a message there. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:25, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

A bit of caution, however, when editing articles or talk pages, please be careful that you are not deleting other people's work. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:26, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Incorrect 'other language link'

National Renewable Energy Action Plan is connected to a page in Finnish: Uusiutuva energia (renewable energy). This is of course incorrect. When I go to wikidata, it is somehow connected with a different page: Uusiutuvan energian kansallinen toimintasuunnitelma (National Renewable Energy Action Plan) which is correct. How is it possible that wikidata is incorrectly shown on the page, and how can I fix it Timelezz (talk) 02:16, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

The page here on en-wiki had the interwiki link in the article itself. That overrides links on wikidata. I've removed the incorrect link from the article, so the correct link should now be showing up. --Floquenbeam (talk) 02:19, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Timelezz (talk) 11:45, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Referencing error

Hi,

How do I fix the error:

There are <ref> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist}} template (see the help page).

On Christina DeRosa's page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christinaderosa (talk • contribs) 08:45, 4 February 2014‎ (UTC)

In the error message to which you refer, the words "help page" are in blue, indicating that they are a wikilink, in this case to Help:Cite errors/Cite error refs without references.

A couple of points re your question. If you are starting a new thread, there ought to be a new section heading. If you have tags like <ref> in your question, you need to surround them with <nowiki>...</nowiki> tags to allow the rest of the message to display correctly. I've corrected these for you. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:02, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict)You seem to have fixed the reference error. Though I had to trim out most everything in the article since it was overly promotional in tone. I suggest that you not edit the article if you are the subject. You have a clear conflict of interest if you are indeed the subject of the article. If you have any suggestions for its improvement, please make those suggestions on the talk page, Talk:Christina DeRosa. Thanks, Dismas|^(talk) 09:03, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

How to show rejected wiki page after editing

I've edited my rejected wikipedia page again, but I can't find a button where I can send it to wikipedia for confirming the page. Do this work automatically? Or is there a button i didn't see? It's about the page Haagsche Zwaan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.97.18.64 (talk) 09:01, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

In the box at the top of your draft is a button labeled "Resubmit", but alongside it are the words "Please note that if the issues are not fixed, the draft will be rejected again.", so before resubmitting you need to read what it says in the feedback box, & follow the links in that message. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:07, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Ok, i did. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.97.18.64 (talk) 09:43, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

editing a page

Hi , my name is eva el beze and i am cheb i sabbah's daughter. there is misinformation on my dads page and although the misinformation is attributed to articles written it is still wrong. i am trying to edit it and am having a very hard time. looks like thigs i did not delete are now deleted? i only wanted to change his birth name, which is Serge El Beze NOT haim serge el baz! i also was trying to change the note that he was born into a family of musicians as he was not, he was the only musician in his family. thank you, Eva — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evaelbeze (talk • contribs) 10:56, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

We need a verifiable source of what you claim, as any user can claim to be related to someone with an article here. 331dot (talk) 11:03, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Serge El Beze San Francisco Chronicle April 25, 1999. Haim Serge El Baz San Francisco Chronicle November 8, 2013 (obit). Haim Serge El Baz The Independent 20 November 2013 (obit). Regarding the family of musicians, the source reads "Well I come from a family of musicians,"[1] where "family" might not be limited to mom/dad and brothers and sisters. - Jreferee (talk) 13:18, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Hausner ratio

How do I fix the ref. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pkolawole2014 (talk • contribs) 11:08, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

The error message says "Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page, but the references will not show without a {{reflist}} template (see the help page).". The words "help page" are in blue, meaning they are a WP:wikilink, in this case to Help:Cite errors/Cite error refs without references. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:22, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I have removed the reference that was added after the {{Reflist}} so that the page displays correctly. If the reference is being used to cite text in the article please place it in the main body of the text next to the actual phrase that uses it. See the help pages linked above for more assistance. CaptRik (talk) 13:07, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

BAFTA's Film Awards ceremony articles - incorrect years!

67th British Academy Film Awards

hi there, it seems that, at some point, somebody has created a page for the British Academy Film Awards and incorrectly calculated the year. the ceremony later this month is actually the 66th, not the 67th (see link above). Bafta doesn't officially state which 'year' their awards are (only - 'British Academy Film Awards in 2014' for example, if 2014 was the year of presentation. however i can confirm that if you're counting, the first ceremony was presented in 1949 (for films of 1947, the year the academy was formed, and 1948). so if the ceremony in 1949 was the first, 2014 must be the 66th. this means changing all the article titles, and even as a registered editor i don't think i can do this. is there any way you can help? thank you nick williams — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickwilliams45 (talk • contribs) 14:08, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

2011 was the 64th, according to BAFTA themselves. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:33, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks David - i'm told Bafta got it wrong here. the reference is now removed from that page if you go back and take a look. Unlike the Oscars, Bafta don’t seem to use this numbering system, but others do on their behalf (except on the page you pointed out, good find!) which is a source of confusion if they don’t understand how it worked in the early years, eg. 1949 was the year of the first ceremony, even though it covered films from the two preceding years, 1947 and 1948. For the ceremony in 2014, it would be accurate to say it's the 66th, not the 67th - can this be changed for clarity? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickwilliams45 (talk • contribs) 16:30, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Nickwilliams45 (talk) 16:31, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

If BAFTA and those reporting the awards don't generally use that terminology, it sounds to me that it would be original research or synthesis to allocate numbers which don't occur in the sources. The articles should therefore probably be renamed to a system which matches the sources, presumably by year. It may, however, be unwise to do it unilaterally, and it would probably make sense to discuss it. Talk:67th British Academy Film Awards probably wouldn't attract much attention, but Talk:British Academy Film Awards would hopefully be seen by more editors. I notice, however, that at the foot of both 67th British Academy Film Awards and British Academy Film Awards there is a template {{BAFTA Film Awards Chron}} which lists them by date (apparently date of film, not date of the ceremony, though the heading implies the contrary) and not by ordinal number, and includes a link from 1947 to 1st British Academy Film Awards (which discuss a ceremony in 1948 for films in 1947). You were saying that the ceremony in 1949 was the first, but the existing articles appear to disagree with you. They may, of course be wrong, but (as I implied earlier) this isn't the place to discuss the detail; the article talk page would be the right place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Biddulph (talk • contribs) 17:14, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

thanks for the advice david. i've taken this over to Talk:British Academy Film Awards so let's see if it gets picked up. looks like bafta's own website wasn't totally clear to begin with, looking at the first bafta brochure which is the reference for that article 1st British Academy Film Awards, it says in small writing 'presented in 1949', so 1949 was definitely when the awards were first presented. thanks for pointing out the problem with the template {{BAFTA Film Awards Chron}} too... oh dear! Nickwilliams45 (talk) 11:48, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Broken link -- Bunny Rugs of Third World Page

Hi there,

The website link on your 'Bunny Rugs' page is incorrect. Bunny Rugs was a member of Third World, he passed away on Sunday. Please correct this link. Bunny Rugs

Broken link: www.bunnyrugs.com

Thank you so much!

Jermaine — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.106.117.194 (talk) 14:32, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Y Done.

Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top.
The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 18:27, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

replace current logo on wikipedia page

I created an account to make edits/image updates to our already existing company page and do not see how to replace the image in the right navigation. Rex Hospital. Rexhealth (talk) 14:44, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

The file must first be uploaded, see the File Upload Wizard and Help:Upload#Uploading files. However, you must be "autoconfirmed" to upload files to Wikipedia which requires at least 10 previous edits and an accountant at least 4 days old. If you can indicate where on the web the new logo can be found, someone will probably upload it for you. DES ^(talk) 15:08, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Also don't forget to select a new user name as explained on your talk page. Names that represent or seem to represent companies, organizations or groups are not allowed by our username policy. DES ^(talk) 15:11, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict)The file needs to be uploaded, you cannot just insert a link to the file on your computer. As a new account, you cannot yet upload files, so will need to go to WP:FFU and request that the file be uploaded there.
Please note that your user name contravenes our Username policy specifically this section and will need to be changed. Arjayay (talk) 15:13, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

As well as the warnings about user name, promotional material, and conflict of interest, there is also a warning on your user talk page about copyright violation, which you need to read before reappearing to edit under a different user name. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:14, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation page needed

A simple disambiguation page is needed, and I'm concerned that I can't handle the subtleties of creating it myself. The terms that need to be disambiguated are Danas a newspaper, and DANAS, a link to Dictionary of American Naval Aviation Squadrons, for which "DANAS" is a common abbreviation. Lou Sander (talk) 15:23, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Slightly complicated by the existence of Typhoon Danas as well, otherwise you could get away with a hatnote... Give me a couple of minutes, I'll sort something out. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:26, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Trio hellenique

Reference help requested. Can somebody insert the ref.list correctly for me? New and this and am doing it wrong apparently. Thanks. Thanks, FNikolaidis (talk) 15:29, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I have done some basic formatting of the references, you can find help Help:Referencing for beginners. You should be aware that in order to qualify for a stand alone article, the subject must have received significant coverage in reliable third party sources and currently I am not seeing any evidence of that, just the subject's own facebook page. Without better referencing, it is likely the article will be deleted. You can request the article be moved to your user space sandbox so that you have time to gather the reliably published sources that will be required for a mainspace article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:19, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi. It seems that another user has already fixed some issues, but you need to do some additional work. The <ref></ref> tags need to go right after the statements they support, generally after any punctuation. Then {{reflist}} goes at the bottom to display all of them (but this is already done). See below for a visual guide:

Visual inline citation guide

Formatting references using inline citations

All information in Wikipedia articles should be verified by citations to reliable sources. Our preferred method of citation is using the "cite.php" form of inline citations, using the <ref></ref> elements. Using this method, each time a particular source is mined for information (don't copy word-for-word!), a footnote is placed in the text ("inline"), that takes one to the detail of the source when clicked, set forth in a references section after the text of the article. In brief, anywhere you want a footnote to appear in a piece of text, you place an opening <ref> tag followed by the text of the citation which you want to appear at the bottom of the article, and close with a </ref> tag. Note the closing slash ("/"). For multiple use of a single reference, the opening ref tag is given a name, like so: <ref name="name"> followed by the citation text and a closing </ref> tag. Each time you want to use that footnote again, you simply use the first element with a slash, like so: <ref name="name" />. In order for these references to appear, you must tell the software where to display them, using either the code <references/> or, most commonly, the template, {{Reflist}} which can be modified to display the references in columns using {{Reflist|colwidth=30em}}. Per our style guidelines, the references should be displayed in a separate section denominated "References" located after the body of the article.
Inline citation code; what you type in 'edit mode'	What it produces when you save
Two separate citations.<ref>Citation text.</ref><ref>Citation text2.</ref> Multiple<ref name="multiple">Citation text3.</ref> citation<ref name="multiple" /> use.<ref name="multiple" /> == References == {{Reflist}}	Two separate citations. Multiple citation use. References_________________
Templates that can be used between <ref>...</ref> tags to format references {{Citation}} • {{Cite web}} • {{Cite book}} • {{Cite news}} • {{Cite journal}} • Others • Examples

Reply if you need any more help. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 18:18, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Change my Username

Could someone please tell me or change my username. I really need to change it to something I can remember more easly. Current Username is: kieran3004 -----> dragonfly008 Can someone help me please Thanks Kieran — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kieran3004 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

See changing username DES ^(talk) 15:47, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Christiane Robbins

I have rewritten this article to be in keeping with the suggested changes. It was deleted once again.... almost as if no one had even read the changes.

This process is seemingly arbitrary and capricious in this deletion and requirements. My basis for this is that this article was written on a model of a heretofore accepted wiki article. Now that it is not accepted - in fact deleted in its entirety - is baffling not to mention demoralizing.

Pls advise further - thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeoLewis (talk • contribs) 18:36, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

My advice would be to follow the advice you were given when the article submission was declined. Remove the promotional language (see WP:NPOV and WP:NOTADVERT and WP:PEACOCK), find and include reliably published third party sources to verify the claims (see WP:RS and WP:V and Help:Referencing for beginners and realize that not everything is going to qualify for an article no matter how hard you try (WP:42 and WP:N ) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:40, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Please tweak this Category page

Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating text from the Dictionary of American Naval Aviation Squadrons isn't working quite right. It shows up as "hidden" and "polluted". I don't know what "hidden" is, or why this category appears there. I DO know that "polluted" sounds like something that needs attention. My skills don't include working with category pages, other than at a very low level. Lou Sander (talk) 18:57, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

It should be a hidden category, just as Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating text from the Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships is, since its use is Wikipedia-internal—it doesn't categorize the subjects of the articles, just identifies (for editorial purposes) a source common to the articles. (If you're not currently seeing hidden categories in articles, click on "Preferences" at the top of any page, select "Appearance", then under "Advanced options" check the box next to "Show hidden categories" and save your preferences.) I'm not seeing anything about "polluted" either on the category page or in the articles categorized; could you clarify exactly where you're seeing that? Deor (talk) 19:38, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I see it when I click "Edit" while I'm on the category page. Lou Sander (talk) 20:14, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

See Template:Polluted category (and its talk page, for someone else confused by its use). I'm not exactly sure why it's there, but the presence of the template on the category page is harmless. If you really want to know, you can ask on Naraht's talk page, since he created the category page with that template present. Deor (talk) 20:23, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I created it with the Template:Polluted category since the DANFS category that it was copied to was marked that way. It indicated that it shouldn't be a huge concern if the category contains both mainspace and talkspace pages.Naraht (talk) 21:08, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Hey, there are some things in this world that each of us should just leave to people who know more about it than we do. This is one of them for me. ;-) I'm sure that these matters are in far better hands than mine, and that's where they belong. Thanks for all that each of you do. Lou Sander (talk) 03:10, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

In case you want to understand it better for future situations, Wikipedia:Database reports/Polluted categories is a bot-generated list of categories containing both mainspace (articles) and userspace pages. The idea is that the report can be used to clean up such categories, for example because we don't want our readers to click a category link on an article and see userspace drafts. But there are some categories where we don't mind that mainspace and userspace are mixed, for example some hidden categories like Category:Wikipedia articles incorporating text from the Dictionary of American Naval Aviation Squadrons which only display on articles for registered users with "Show hidden categories" selected at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. {{Polluted category}} causes the bot to not include the category in the list (currently it doesn't have userspace pages and wouldn't have been included anyway). PrimeHunter (talk) 14:27, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

The bit about userspace drafts makes it all make sense. Thanks. In spite of my best efforts to the contrary, I'm learning more about categories. Lou Sander (talk) 14:46, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

To be more clear {{Polluted category}} should be called {{Category that we don't care whether it is polluted or not}}, but that's a bit long. :)Naraht (talk) 15:29, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Linking to another Wiki page

How would I link one page I am creating to other pages that have to do with the page I would like to create? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kukckr (talk • contribs)

Hi, Firstly, I assume you're talking about Tell Me Another Morning? Secondly, if you want to create wikilinks to other articles, you include the word in brackets. So if we want to link to shrimp, we write [[shrimp]]. If you want to create a link to an article, but use a different word in the text, it would look like this [[shrimp|jumbo shrimp]], which would come out like this: jumbo shrimp. If you are talking about external web links, you would add those to the External links section of your article by putting the website in a single bracket, adding a space, then adding a description. [http://www.wikipedia.org Wikipedia - The Free Encyclopedia] resolves as Wikipedia - The Free Encyclopedia. If you're talking about creating references, that's a different story, and you should probably read references for beginners. Wikipedia has a built in citation toolbar accessible from the edit window that makes citing sources very easy. Hope that helps. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:53, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I find it curious that most of the contributors to this short article have contributed to no other (and that none of them thought of saying in the lead who the author of this book was). Maproom (talk) 20:20, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Good point! Slipped by me, too. My eyes were blurry from fixing smart quotes. :) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:21, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Zero evidence of notability so article now at AFD here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tell Me Another Morning.--ukexpat (talk) 21:44, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Now withdrawn following better sourcing.--ukexpat (talk) 13:31, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Benefit of the doubt says it could be for a class... 0_o - Purplewowies (talk) 00:19, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Removing page from dead-end catagory?

Is there any way to get Turkic Council removed from Category:Dead-end pages from October 2013? It contains many internal links and is not tagged as a dead-end.

MostRecentUser (talk) 21:58, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

It's being added by a template in sections tagging the section as dead-end. (e.g. History.) RJFJR (talk) 22:01, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Is there a way to fix it?MostRecentUser (talk) 23:48, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Link up the sections if at all possible and remove the deadend thing from the multiple issues template? - Purplewowies (talk) 00:16, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Sarahj2107 removed[2] Template:Dead end from the article. -- Jreferee (talk) 13:42, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

sandbox

how do you save changes in the sandbox? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.184.15.156 (talk) 22:03, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

You press "save" just like you "saved" your comment here. However, the sandbox, being the sandbox for all of English Wikipedia, will maintain contents only until the next person saves their contents over yours or the bot comes in and sweeps it clean. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:07, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

However, if you create an account, you will have your own sandbox, which other users will not trample in; as well as other benefits - please see Wikipedia:Why create an account? - Arjayay (talk) 10:44, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

The image that you have for the bio of Thutmose III has undergone an alteration

The image that you have for your bio on Thutmose III is different than the original statue of Thutmose III. The body is the same but, the head is different. I have the book: Visual Encyclopedia of Art Egypt By SCALA and on page 176 are images of Thutmose III. Your image brings to life a quote by Frederick Douglass when he said This: "America is false to the past, false to the present, and solemnly binds herself to be false to the future." The quote can be updated by saying the world is false to the past, false to the present and will be false to the future. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.107.68.134 (talk) 23:02, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Thutmose III displays both File:TuthmosisIII-2.JPG and File:Thutmosis III wien front.jpg of different statues, and there are more in commons:Category:Statues of Thutmosis III. Exactly which image are you referring to, and are you sure the book displays the same statue? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:19, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand what you mean about the quote. What does that have to do with the article or Thutmose III? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:04, 5 February 2014 (UTC)