Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/St. Patrick's Institute of Science & Technology

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:40, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

St. Patrick's Institute of Science & Technology[edit]

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Routine mentions in news reports. Fails WP:SIGCOV. BookishReader (talk) 12:24, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Schools, and Pakistan. Shellwood (talk) 13:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: unless nominator is able to provide assurances that they have conducted in concentrated in print and/or local media. This is a weak nomination and should be opposed on the basis of WP:BEFORE, and the outcome of RfC on secondary school notability unless the above can be demonstrated Jack4576 (talk) 15:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:VAGUEWAVE. BookishReader (talk) 21:57, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Pfft it is not WP:VAGUEWAVE that your stated reasoning for this AfD is lacking. The onus is on you to demonstrate that a search has been made for local sources, and that none have been located. We need something better than “I looked”. Explain your process

Additionally, for schools, routine mentions are fine. It is possible for schools to be nevertheless notable even if SIGCOV is not established. SIGCOV generates a presumption that a subject is notable, it is not a requirement for notability. Jack4576 (talk) 00:31, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Have you actually found any sources that would contribute to notability? LibStar (talk) 01:03, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Per the outcome of RfC on secondary school notability the onus is on the nominator to demonstrate efforts have been made. In the absence of that a Keep vote is appropriate. Jack4576 (talk) 08:11, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Perhaps I should quote from Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)/Archive_133#RfC_on_secondary_school_notability:

It's further worth noting that a flood of AfDs following the addition of SO to the "arguments to avoid in AfDs" list is undesirable. Editors are asked to refrain from making indiscriminate or excessive nominations. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how this can be defined as "flood of AfDs". I only nominated five articles today as I had some free time. If I do more then you can say that but currently this is perfectly normal. AfDs can run up to 28 days, so plenty of time for you to discover any coverage (if it exists). Maybe prove me wrong and find one in-depth article about this school? BookishReader (talk) 21:56, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The onus is on you to demonstrate you have complied with the outcome of RfC on secondary school notability Jack4576 (talk) 08:11, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

COMMENT Due to the recent temporary upheaval in political situation in Pakistan, internet services in Pakistan are TEMPORARILY SUSPENDED by the Pakistani government orders. Seems unfair that AfD Pakistan is flooded with new AfD nominations at this time because no Pakistani Wikipedia editors can participate until the internet services come back. Hopefully overseas Pakistanis and overseas people of Pakistani origin doing the DELETION NOMINATIONS right now on this AfD Forum are aware of it??? Ngrewal1 (talk) 18:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm aware of this. I'm doing my due diligence before bringing it here. BookishReader (talk) 21:58, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You still have yet to explain your process/steps to arrive at your determination that no local sources exist Jack4576 (talk) 08:12, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've used multiple search terms including St. Patrick’s Technical School used in this source. I just found two mere mentions: here and here. BookishReader (talk) 11:55, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 01:51, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The RfC on secondary schools criteria have definitely been met here; there hasn't been a flood of AfD's, and I don't think there's any offline sources as I couldn't find any online sources that met WP:SIGCOV, and the school is a polytechnic (probably recieves more attention than a normal high school) in a large city. It's also in Pakistan, which tends to have a relatively good access to non-local online sources. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 06:42, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Nothing in gnews. I would reconsider if there is coverage in Urdu, but no such article exists. Fails WP:NSCHOOL. LibStar (talk) 07:13, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails GNG and ORG. Source eval:

Comments	Source
Primary, fails IS	1. Christian Voice, Karachi. 17 January 2016.
Does not mention subject of article	2. ^ "Brother Norman Wray" (PDF). Archived from the original (PDF) on 2010-11-28.
Exam results	3. ^ Staff (16 May 2002). "Karachi: SBTE Exam Results". Dawn. Retrieved 17 November 2016.
Fails V, 404	4. ^ [dead link] "UCANews.com". Union of Catholic Asian News. 10 July 1990.
Fails V, 404	5. ^ [dead link] [1]. Pakistan Press International. 4 February 2006.
About another subject, coverage is "A recipient of an automotive technology degree from St. Patrick’s Technical School, he believed his English was top notch until " Fails SIGCOV	6. ^ Tate, Justin David (4 December 2013). "Pakistani Student Chases Auto Marketing reams". The Et Cetera (eastfieldews.com). Retrieve 17 November 2016.
Nothing found about subject	7. ^ The News February 2, 2008
Primary, fails IS	8. ^ Ali, G. and Ali, M. St. Patrick’s: A journey of 175 years. Archdiocese of Karachi, 2018.

Keep vote is an example of WP:SOURCESMAYEXIST, multiple BEFOREs (including Keep votes) showed nothing that meets SIGCOV from IS RS addressing the subject directly and indepth. // Timothy :: talk 06:16, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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