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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 00:37, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ty States[edit]

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This model is relatively unknown, and there is very little you can get in a Google search, compared to other more famous models. There are also a lack of sources regarding her. 747pilot (talk) 21:22, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:25, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete I can't find anything other than being tagged in 2008 photos about a relative. Nfitz (talk) 23:45, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Cabayi (talk) 09:58, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Captain Submarine[edit]

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Not notable- lacks significant media coverage. Fails WP:GNG. 747pilot (talk) 22:24, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Although some keep voters did not adequately explain their votes, GNG and SNG are addressed detailly by some editors. The draft will be redirected to this mainspace article as it is poorly developed with a lot of translation errors. (non-admin closure) Timothytyy (talk) 04:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Grace Wong Kit-cheng[edit]

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Grace Wong Kit-cheng

This biography of a living person of a politician is not verifiable. The article states that she is a member of the Legislative Assembly of Macau. If her status as a subnational legislator is verifiable, then she passes political notability. There is one reference, in Chinese, which is http://macaodaily.com/html/2017-05/07/content_1176995.htm . However, a machine translation shows that it makes no mention of the subject. It is a statement by someone else.

There is also a draft, so that this article is not a candidate for draftification, but this article appears to have been copy-pasted from the draft, and a history merge will be needed if the article is kept. Both the article and the draft require heavy copy-editing for grammar and usage if they are kept. The draft should be kept for improvement. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:06, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete; since the draft and the main article are near identical, we only need one of the two, and since the text needs extensive work before it will be fit for main-space, draft-space is the right place for it. Deleting the main-space version is the easiest solution. Elemimele (talk) 21:19, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep meets NPOL - Gov profile (Eng). Her Chinese name appears to be "黃潔貞", which is mentioned multiple times in the Macao Daily article.-KH-1 (talk) 00:29, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep status as a legislative council member is verifiable at [1] which is WP:primary but if this is just a question of verifiability and it's not disputed that should be OK. I added the cite to the page. Oblivy (talk) 01:21, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WP:NPOL. Here are some additional sources showing that she was elected to the Legislative Assembly: [2][3][4]. @Robert McClenon: I imagine the machine translation may have confused you because of a different transliteration. "Wong Kit-cheng" is evidently a Cantonese transliteration; the pinyin (standard Mandarin) transliteration would be "Huang Jiezhen". —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 03:40, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep per WP:NPOL. Agreed with KH-1 and Mx. Granger. CastJared (talk) 13:00, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Meets WP:NPOL. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:50, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per sourcing provided; nom's mistake identified as confusion regarding transliterations of different languages. Iseult Δx parlez moi 18:55, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WP:NPOL. The person who loves reading (talk) 02:00, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was withdrawn. More people want to see this article repaired than deleted; also, deletion of an article is not a valid substitute for proper cleanup. Thank you to everyone who contributed with their opinions. Please assist in locating academic sources so I don't have to do this again. Namethatisnotinuse Namethatisnotinuse (talk) 14:26, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bishop Foley Catholic High School[edit]

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This is the second time this discussion has begun. I've noticed that the page in question contains a general lack of secondary and tertiary sources, which are hard to find.

Another problem is that the page is formatted as though it's an advertisement. I personally believe that this article qualifies under WP:TNT, as no amount of repair will fix this. The sexual assault controversy with former school president Gerry LeBoeuf, though notable in its own right, is not nearly notable enough to be included. While alumni Tom Jankiewicz & John Keating are very notable in their own right, they are pretty much the meat of the article, minus multiple statistics and MHSAA sport listings.

Finally, the article severely violates WP:V, depending too much on primary sources; however, as stated previously, secondary sources are hard to come by.

Before you ask, I did check all the established alternatives to deletion and determined that none of them will work in this case.

P.S. Source searching per WP:BEFORE is not required (as stated by User:FOARP); however, I did conduct a brief search for reputable sources, coming up short. Namethatisnotinuse Namethatisnotinuse (talk) 17:52, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. The school has been around for 57 years, since 1965. In that time there have been at least 3 more sex scandals other than the one you mention. Of course, as you say, BEFORE is not required, but IMO, it is malpractice to nominate an article without performing it. When I typed in a google search I came up with lots of sources, including the 4 sex scandals already mentioned, this about the founding of girls football in Michigan. Since the internet (and google search) wasn't even around for most of their existence, I'm venturing there's tons of stuff in old newspapers and other offline sources. Deletion is not cleanup. This article could use cleanup, but it is verifiable, it meets the general notability guideline. It needs to be improved, not deleted. Jacona (talk) 19:40, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Notability is not temporary. Almost exactly one year ago, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bishop Foley Catholic High School this article was kept. What has happened to "revoke" it's notability since then? — Jacona (talk) 20:22, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      I understand that; however, reputable sources are hard to find. As we speak, I'm performing a search for sources. Again, I'm coming up short (minus the school website, of course). Most of them are sports related. I guess the question now becomes the following: how do we clean this up? The article consists of a lot, and I do mean a lot of loose unconnected threads. How do we tie them together? Any help would be much appreciated. Namethatisnotinuse Namethatisnotinuse (talk) 01:45, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Namethatisnotinuse, Have the sources that were deemed sufficient one year ago disappeared? — Jacona (talk) 10:54, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      No, they haven't. However, there are no sources (even in the set of sources Wikipedia presents above) besides the aforementioned sex scandals and sports statistics. What do we prove about the academic portion?
      P.S. Most secondary schools (to the best of my knowledge) have no good info outside of the school website. Also, to be completely honest, there might be a conflict of interest at work here. I am a current student at the school who is concerned about the school's outer image. If there is a major conflict of interest, feel free to close this as a speedy keep. Namethatisnotinuse Namethatisnotinuse (talk) 12:17, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Nothing has changed. Sources sufficient to meet WP:GNG. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:37, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy keep. Judging by the results of the previous discussion, this discussion is 100% going to be snowballed. Please assist in locating reputable academics-related sources, and don't be afraid to re-list if something I didn't notice comes up. Namethatisnotinuse Namethatisnotinuse (talk) 16:22, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep -- We have usually regarded secondary schools as notable. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:54, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Enos733 (talk) 18:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ilija Vakić[edit]

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Only source used is one which is deprecated - a WP:BEFORE search found virtually no reliable sources beside Wiki-related websites. Thus proposing for deletion as it therefore fails WP:GNG Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 18:00, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. RL0919 (talk) 17:14, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

R. Anthony Hyman[edit]

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Not a notable person. An internet search and Google Scholar search reveals that this man does not satisfy the requirements of WP:GNG or WP:SIGCOV. Hadal1337 (talk) 16:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep under WP:AUTHOR, item 3: "work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews". There are multiple reviews in academic journals and magazines. E.g., with a simple Google search:
I suspect there are more. --Jonathan Bowen (talk) 08:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
1) Links 1 and 2 both refer to the book Pioneer of the Computer (both locked behind a paywall nonetheless). The said book has a total of 3 reviews on Amazon, which I think we can agree, is not a "well-known work".
2) Links 3 and 4 refer to the book Science and Reform: Selected Works of Charles Babbage. The said book has a total of 3 reviews on Goodreads, again, not a "well-known work".
Therefore, not notable. Hadal1337 (talk) 09:05, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Reviews for the purpose of NAUTHOR refers to academic reviews, not some joe-schmo reviewing a book on Amazon. Curbon7 (talk) 12:34, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
According to item 3 "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work." My point of pointing out reviews is that he has not created any significant or well-known work. Anyone can publish a book, well known means that people actually read your book and comment on it. Also, there are no mentions of reviews referring to "academic reviews" on WP:AUTHOR, therefore my point still stands. Hadal1337 (talk) 15:06, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's not how that works. We do not assess whether a book is significant in its field using Amazon reviews, which would be an absolutely ludicrous method. We assess significance based on whether other subject-matter experts consider the book to be significant, which is what critical academic reviews as linked above substantiate. Curbon7 (talk) 15:18, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Amazon and Goodreads are unreliable. XOR'easter (talk) 18:23, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Specifically see WP:AMAZON and WP:GOODREADS. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:42, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Enos733 (talk) 18:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

John Webster (organist)[edit]

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Not a notable person. According to Discogs, his most notable album have a total of 21 listeners. He has published a total of 4 albums, which is not notable for a music artist. Sources are also not reliable. A simple Google search shows nothing related to the organist. Fails WP:GNG. Hadal1337 (talk) 16:27, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep, (1) we could probably just about stretch to his inclusion under NPROF given that he was an academic musician who held the post of University Organist in a prestigious institution (Oxford), as well as being professor of organ at Trinity College, one of the most significant musical establishments in the UK; these are heavyweight positions at least as significant as many named/endowed professorships, which are deemed indicators of notability; (2) the whole concept of "discogs" and "albums" doesn't make any sense in assessing an organist who died in 1974. He was seven before commercial radio broadcasts began. He was already 47 before the cassette player hit the market. Much of his musical career was carved out in an era when people listened to real musicians, and recordings were rare and extremely expensive. The recordings he made will be on vinyl, not digital media. We have no idea how many people listened to those recordings. Overall, if he was notable back then (which I believe he was) he still is now. But fundamentally (3) we owe it to our readers to satisfy their curiosity about such historical figures, who did interesting things like play for the wedding of Harold Wilson. Elemimele (talk) 21:47, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    (1) If we were to stretch his inclusion under NPROF, then could you please find me some papers he published? Because I am unable to.
    (2) You make a valid point regarding discogs, however, do you think a music artist who published a total of 4 albums is considered as notable? Unless I am missing some of his albums, please feel free to enlighten me. Also, like you said, we have no idea how many people listened to his recordings, if so, how did you come to the conclusion that he was notable back then without any source?
    (3) While satisfying readers' curiosity about historical figures who have done interesting things is a valid consideration, it is crucial to maintain a consistent approach to assessing notability. The inclusion of an individual based solely on their historical significance, without considering the established criteria for notability, may compromise the credibility and integrity of the selection process. Hadal1337 (talk) 08:34, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I didn't make myself clear: he might satisfy criterion 5 of WP:NPROF, holder of a distinguished chair or equivalent in a prestigious institution. This does not require academic publications. (2) the number of albums someone produced must be considered in the light of when they worked and the genre they produced; for an organist to get recorded at all in the period 1914-1974 might be a rather more than average achievement - I'm not sure, and would value a more knowledgeable opinion. Elemimele (talk) 10:59, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, this is quite amusing and unique: We know that coverage of him exists in newspapers because Harold Wilson's wife compiled a scrapbook "mainly comprising newspaper cuttings with reviews of his concerts and recordings (some of which were recorded on the organ of University College)."[5] In effect, Mrs Wilson has done the BEFORE for us... Elemimele (talk) 11:11, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – per above – full professor at a leading music college and a scrapbook of newspaper cuttings available in a reputable archive, collected by Mary Wilson, Baroness Wilson of Rievaulx, poet and wife of former British Prime Minister Harold Wilson. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 15:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above discussion. Being a distinguished professor at a prestigious university does not require proof of numbers of citations for the PROF test. Bearian (talk) 17:55, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above. The person who loves reading (talk) 02:02, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:18, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Virtual Library museums pages[edit]

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Blatant promo article (website hosted on Fandom, really?) Fails WP:GNG, not to mention the abundance of primary and unreliable sources. Hadal1337 (talk) 15:56, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep What is the actual policy-based reason for deletion? The page is probably outdated, but at the least an interesting piece of internet history. Johnbod (talk) 18:02, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It is simply not notable, as listed in my 2nd and 3rd point. Do all slightly interesting pieces of internet history deserve a place on Wikipedia? Not to mention, this is a blatant PROMO Hadal1337 (talk) 08:29, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Neither "hosted on Fandom" nor "majority of sources appear to be primary ... several sources are deadlinks" are policy-based reasons for deletion or evidence that the article is not notable.
    The article references several sources which look likely to count towards notability, including:
    • Turner, Nancy B. (1999). "Virtual Library Museums Pages". Electronic Resources Review.
    • Karp, Cary (October–December 1999). "Setting root on the Internet: Establishing a network identity for the museum community". Museum International.
    • Veltman, Kim H. (2001). "Developments in Virtual Museums". In Valentino, P.; Mossetto, G. (eds.). Museo contro museo. Le strategie, gli strumenti, i risultati
    • Flor, Carla; Vanzin, Tarcisco; Ulbricht, Vania Ribas. "Virtual Museums: Diagnosis Accessibility" [Museus Virtuais: Diagnóstico de Acessibilidade]. Hipermídias: Interfaces Digitais em Ead
    I don't have access to all of these, so I'm open to be persuaded that I'm wrong, but it seems likely to me based on the sources cited that VLmp does meet WP:GNG. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 10:57, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Turner, Nancy B: Downloaded a total of 58 times since publication
    • Karp, Cary: 7 views and 0 citations since publication
    • Veltman, Kim H: the reference points to a domain for sale
    • Flor, Carla: 0 citations in total
    I would kindly request you view some of the sources mentioned on the VLmp page, and you will soon realize the majority of them no longer exist or are not notable sources to begin with. Feel free to come back and recommend your opinion on keeping or deleting the Wikipedia page. Hadal1337 (talk) 12:23, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    None of that is relevant to whether these sources (or any other sources) demonstrate notability. For GNG, we have to ask three questions: 1. are these sources reliable, 2. are they independent of the subject, and 3. do they cover the subject in depth. The fact that the links currently in the article are broken doesn't matter. The fact that the hosting site reports only 58 downloads doesn't matter.
    It looks to me as though the references I mentioned are likely to meet all three criteria. Do you have a reason to believe that they do not? (Did you actually check the sources already in the article before asserting that it fails GNG?) Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 08:21, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    How do we know if a source is reliable if we cannot access it? None of the sources you listed are accessible. Using common sense, a good way to evaluate if a source is reliable if I cannot access it is by looking at the citation count. Answering your question if I checked the sources, let me give you a few examples (that are publicly accessible and actually exist):
    • Marty, Paul; Jones, Kathy, eds. (1 March 2021) - Primary source
    • Gaia, Giuliano; Boiano, Stefania; Bowen, Jonathan P.; Borda, Ann (2020) - Primary source
    • Bowen, Jonathan P. (2002). "Weaving the Museum Web: The Virtual Library museums pages". - Primary source
    • Bowen, Jonathan P. (1997). "The Virtual Library museums pages (VLmp): Whence and Whither?" - Primary source
    • The WWW Virtual Library. February 2008. - Unreliable source
    • "Virtual Library museums pages". MuseumsWiki. Fandom. Retrieved 24 June 2021. - Primary source
    • Bowen, Jonathan P.; Angus, Jim; Bennet, Jim; Borda, Ann; Hodges, Andrew; Filippini-Fantoni, Silvia; Beler, Alpay (2005). - Primary source
    • "The Virtual Museum of Computing". Google Groups. 2 June 1995. - Unreliable + Primary source
    There are more examples that I didn't include. Like I previously suggested, I kindly request you view some of the sources mentioned and come back with a recommendation. Hadal1337 (talk) 15:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – per above and adequate independent references. Note that this is of historical rather than current relevance. Wikipedia covers history as well as current items. —Jonathan Bowen (talk) 15:50, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above. The person who loves reading (talk) 02:02, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep meets our guideline for notability Lightburst (talk) 21:50, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - seem to be sufficient published papers to show notability. JMWt (talk) 09:30, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Just because its hosted on Fandom does not mean it should be deleted I think we have a few other articles on websites hosted on Fandom as well Qwv (talk) 11:35, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge‎ to List of Fatal Fury characters. ✗plicit 14:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Higashi[edit]

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Another minor character clearly fails WP:GNG. Despite the effort being written, sources were mostly from trivia mentions. Also at reception section, those were full of passing mentions and of course listicles, thus showing zero WP:SIGCOV. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 13:46, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:59, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of Novair destinations[edit]

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Also nominating:

Per the 2018 RFC on airline destination lists, these are not appropriate content for Wikipedia. As recommended in the subsequent AN discussion, these are being nominated for deletion via AFD in orderly fashion.

Briefly, these are all a failure of WP:NOT, particularly WP:NOTCATALOGUE. This is because they are articles solely directed to listing the services provided by a commercial enterprises on a particular date, that date typically having no actual relevance except it was the day on which the article-creator checked the airline's website. They are ultimately no different to an article that lists all of the multiplex outlets of Cineworld on 3 June 2013. Wikipedia is not advertising or service-hosting space for commercial enterprises.

A further issue here is WP:CORP, which applies to articles dedicated to the products and services offered by a company. The sourcing in none of these articles would pass that standard. The coverage in all of these articles derives principally from the airline itself and is therefore clearly not independent of it as required by WP:ORGIND. The only possible exception to this is the reference in the Qazaq Air article, however this is clearly not significant coverage since it is only two sentences, and is anyway about future plans and thus WP:CRYSTALBALL. Additionally Kazinform are the Kazakh state news outlet and they are quoting the Kazakh air authority (whose source is likely the airline itself) so independence is suspect.

For some of these articles, the original source is 404 (e.g., Orbest Orizonia Airlines), or there is no source at all (e.g., Régional), making these also a WP:V failure.

WP:BEFORE searching for additional sources is not mandatory, particularly where the failure of the article is not only one of notability as in this case. However, I did carry out a necessarily brief (given the number of articles) search for each one and found nothing that would fix the WP:CORP failures. Instead I found only non-independent/reliable ticket-sales websites, aggregators, run-of-the-mill reports in industry-press, this DVD produced by Novair, and reports in local newspapers like the Bournemouth Daily Echo. FOARP (talk) 12:58, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Accurate as of December 2012, but the link in the article says February 2010, so even that part.... And in between those dates the destinations listed changed massively, because airline destinations change all the time making exhaustively listing them pointless. FOARP (talk) 15:03, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 23:31, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Coalition against Communalism[edit]

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Fails WP:ORGCRIT and WP:GNG. I quote from the page itself: "Nothing is known about its leadership, its membership or the sources of funding." Iskandar323 (talk) 10:33, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: could not find any coverage or evidence for this organisation at all Jack4576 (talk) 15:37, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is an org. that had impact in the Hindu Textbooks controversy (now linked in the text), and which has been discussed in a number of scholarly papers as an example of South Asian activism in the U.S. I just added three sources and google scholar has more. All the sources can be had without a paywall but you might have to search for the title instead of following links. It appears they were active over a period about 15-20 years ago and then went "dormant" but as one of the sources states (and as the article now says, based on that article) the existence of their website continues to be a potential source of impact.
The article was in a bit of a sad state. I tried to clean it up a bit, more can be done but it's better. FWIW quoted language about "nothing is known" was present on the page at its creation, and may be POV pushing. Certainly the website doesn't mention sources of funding, but that's not necessarily true of the public at large. Oblivy (talk) 03:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A small update on "nothing is known". A quick search shows tax forms from an organization (the India Relief and Education Fund) that disclose a grant of US$625 in 2002.[6] This is as OR as WP:OR can get, but it does belie the quoted language. I've adjusted the language on the article. Oblivy (talk) 03:57, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
One further thought: although the volume of web coverage and academic discussion of this organization, a selection of which is now cited, should satisfy WP:GNG there is a huge gap between relatively brief and unbiased description of the organization as grassroots, and extensive but inflammatory coverage claiming it's anti-Hindu astroturf (maybe to the point of disinformation; sources tying him to George Soros raise red flags). I think it's important to try to establish some WP:RS based and WP:NEUTRAL coverage of the group, made even harder because their own conduct seems a bit shady/astroturfy. One thought would be to merge to the Coalition Against Genocide page, but the claim that they are part of CAG is one-way - CAG claims them as an affiliate but CAC don't claim affiliation, and independent sources tying the two are biased.Oblivy (talk) 06:24, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: Fails GNG and ORG. Source eval:
Comments Source
Two mentions, one in a list, another one sentence mention. Fails SIGCOV 1. Kurien, Prema (2007). "Who Speaks for Indian Americans? Religion, Ethnicity, and Political Formation". American Quarterly. 59 (3): 759–783. doi:10.1353/aq.2007.0059. ISSN 0003-0678. JSTOR 40068449. S2CID 143780494.
Mentioned once in a list. Fails SIGCOV 2. ^ Bose, Purnima (2008). "Hindutva Abroad: The California Textbook Controversy". The Global South. 2 (1): 11–34. doi:10.2979/GSO.2008.2.1.11. ISSN 1932-8656. S2CID 145295643.
No info on subject 3. ^ Werleman, C.J. (2022-02-09). "Disinfo Lab: An Online Hindu Nationalist Disinformation Campaign". Byline Times. Retrieved 2023-05-12.
Mentioned once in a list. Fails SIGCOV 4. ^ "Coalition Against Genocide: A Nexus of Hinduphobia Unveiled" (PDF). Hindu American Association. 7 March 2013. Retrieved 12 May 2023.
About Us page 5. ^ "About Us - Coalition Against Genocide (CAG)". www.coalitionagainstgenocide.org. Retrieved 2023-05-12.
Two mentions, one in a list, another one sentence mention. Fails SIGCOV 6. ^ Carsignol, Anouck (April 2012). "South Asianism: Militantisme politique et identitaire en ligne" (PDF). e-Diasporas Project at Projet Maison des Sciences de L'Homme. Retrieved 12 May 2023.
BEFORE showed nothing that meets SIGCOV from IS RS addressing the subject directly and indepth.  // Timothy :: talk  06:03, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into California textbook controversy over Hindu history. There is coverage in reliable sources, in particular the Kurien and Bose sources, that isn't quite trivial, but there isn't enough for an independently sourced standalone article. The coverage is entirely centered on the textbook controversy, and a merger there would be in keeping with WP:DUE. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:28, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Timothy. Not enough sourcing to justify an article, or even a merged section elsewhere.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:44, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete No WP:SIGCOV to create an article for this topic.
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The result was delete‎. Sandstein 06:41, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Laurent Schwartz (oncologist)[edit]

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Vanity article, no sources at all Skyerise (talk) 12:24, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - WP:ANYBIO fails basic notability. WP:AUTHOR and WP:LISTBIO. The sentence about his being oncologist and scientist is not sourced. Scientist of what field? "Inclusion in lists contained within articles should be determined by WP:SOURCELIST, in that the entries must have the same importance to the subject as would be required for the entry to be included in the text of the article according to Wikipedia policies and guidelines". A list of his alleged writings are not sources, but just an embedded list. This should also be deleted on the other languages where it appears. One is the French encyclopedia, and one other language that I'm not familiar with the abbreviation for it. — Maile (talk) 13:08, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep. The article is a mess, but the person is notable. The discussions in previous AfDs are worth reading. For his credentials as a researcher, see this Google Scholar search. See this PubMed search. See this search at Nature. He is affiliated with Assistance Publique des Hôpitaux de Paris, 149 avenue Victoria, 75004, Paris, France. For passing WP:GNG, see the references shown as external links in the corresponding article in French, fr:Laurent Schwartz, including multiple articles on reliable broadcast outlets and newspapers. For international coverage, see this article in Le Devoir, published in Montreal: Blanchette, Josée (2017-05-05). "Un docteur pas ordinaire". Le Devoir (in French). Retrieved 2023-05-18. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:42, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Most of those citation links aren't really helpful since they don't summarize anything comprehensively, and merely being affiliated with a hospital isn't something to contribute to notability. You can get their citation profile on Scopus though: https://www.scopus.com/authid/detail.uri?authorId=56264158400
They have an h-index of 27, which looks to be more in the average realm for citations (especially after a mature career) rather than the "'highly-cited" requirement of WP:PROF#C1. The highly-cited category for clinical medicine falls closer to to the 90-100 mark if we follow what sources say rather than individual editor opinion on citation metrics.[7] NPROF says, When judged against the average impact of a researcher in a given field, does this researcher stand out as clearly more notable or more accomplished? At least in terms of citations, they don't really have that kind of punch. KoA (talk) 15:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, the article in French is a little bit better, but it still doesn't add up to a convincing argument for notability. Athel cb (talk) 17:37, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still sorting through what's over there a bit before giving a !vote, but even though we don't make decisions based on what other language wikis do, it is worth noting that article also has similar tags on notability issues. KoA (talk) 17:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I mentioned the French article because sometimes an article in the home language can supply a lot more information. (For example, I was editing the article on Michel Darluc today, and whereas the English version was worse than pathetic, the French version had plenty to say.) In the case of Laurent Schwartz, however, incorporating all of the French text wouldn't help much. Anyway, I incline towards delete unless someone offers to do the necessary work. His publication record is reasonable, but nothing very impressive. Athel cb (talk) 18:57, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per my above comments on not passing WP:PROF, and I didn't find sources that do discuss him from Eastmain's comment or the French article to be substantive for GNG. KoA (talk) 13:27, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Karl Heisenberg[edit]

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The result was Withdrawn GlatorNator (ᴛ) 13:38, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I questioned Karl Heisenberg's notability last week from Kung Fu Man's talk page. Though, I tried and incorporated most of the sources, I think he might be (not) barely notable, but the article looks flimsy (looking at reception section). So, I instead nominated it for deletion rather than redirecting boldly redirecting article for the record and receive opinions on its notability. WP:TNT. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 11:51, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Dude it's your work there's no need to nominate it for deletion. Move it back to a subpage, set up the redirect for now, and nurture it. Sources may present themselves over time to give it enough body.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 13:05, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh well, not sure why I thought about that. Was gonna redirect it, but it seems like Kazama16 has already edited the article. Anyway, feel free to ignore this and let the AfD continue on its own. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 13:22, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah I'd just withdraw this honestly Glator. There's been plenty of times I've merged an article only to bring it out years later once reception materialized. That's why I said build the reception on the list too before you do this. If you notice I'm slowly doing that with Sodom and Maki on List of Street Fighter characters: if either appear in SF6, I'm certain they'll get enough reception from subsequent articles to get spun back out. Just a matter of playing the long game.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 13:27, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Alright GlatorNator (ᴛ) 13:38, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect‎ to 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:28, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Imola Formula 3 round[edit]

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Not independently notable of the 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix article or the 2023 FIA Formula 2 Championship or 2023 FIA Formula 3 Championship articles. WP:BEFORE search suggests neither article currently meets the WP:GNG either. Suggest merging any usable sourced content into relevant parts of the 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix, 2023 FIA Formula 2 Championship, 2023 FIA Formula 3 Championship, or 2023 Emilia-Romagna floods articles. I am unsure where it would be best for either of these page titles to be redirected to. I am also nominating the following related page:

2023 Imola Formula 2 round (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 11:46, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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  • As the one who expanded the pages (from their original redirect forms), I think it would be better to just merge them with the 2023 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix article itself. Admittedly, the articles just tell the same story as their parent F1 event, save for some sentences; although once merged, I think it should be noted in the 2023 ERGP article that it was the paddock used by F2 and F3 which suffered the brunt of the floods in Imola. I just thought there was a need to expand those articles from their original redirect forms because they were cancelled, and it is rare to cancel such events in motorsport due to a natural disaster or a force majeure (with the pandemic being the only other instance I could think of; they rarely cancel events due to heavy rain). Vida0007 (talk) 12:04, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Now matter how rare, subjects still need to meet our notability standards to justify a standalone article. In this case there is no significant independent coverage for these events.Tvx1 15:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah. I honestly figured that out after writing it, and found it lacking any detail that separates it from the main event (the Grand Prix) itself. I would still go for the first suggestion, which is to merge it with the Emilia Romagna Grand Prix article, as it would be better covered there than the F2 and F3 calendar changes sections. Vida0007 (talk) 20:46, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

India–Pakistan football rivalry[edit]

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Fails WP:NSPORT. This article is similar to the China–India football rivalry, political rivalry or geopolitical issues or border conflicts cannot be reason for rivalry in sports. Here the source provided talks of cricket. Again similar to the other article there is no established rivalry, majority of the matches won by India and Pakistan won just 3. And the Pakistan women team won zero matches. This cannot be called as a rivalry. Also seems to me as hoax article. Drat8sub (talk) 10:55, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

China-India article had already reached a consensus for deletion but somehow it wasn't deleted. Geopolitical issues and tensions between two entities create rivalries, however, one cannot base an entire sporting rivalry only because of the geopolitical reasons, hence China-India article was nominated for deletion. But when it comes to India - Pakistan article it is not appropriate to write it off as a hoax. The rivalry exists between the two nations in every sport including football. It is beyond geopolitics. Women's section can be removed, but clearly men's section is not lop sided. Pakistan had their share of victories. Derbi Barceloní has Espanyol with 34% of victories, yet it exists. Also, when India went to Pakistan in around 90s, they were told by Pakistani players that they wouldn't win the tournament, yet they did.[1] These instances demonstrate the rivalry. Plus there's an interesting aspect that can help readers provide more information for the rivalry between these two, that is the Crossing Divide section. There are handful of players who have represented both the national teams. This section can be seen in club rivalries but for the national team, it is rare and interesting. I have placed these arguments for not deleting it and instead wish people help it expand. I did a lot of research and editing to create this article, if they insist on deletion, I do not mind. Footy2000 (talk) 11:15, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I know you are one of the few people who are working on Indian football and NT related articles. But I must say, without these articles also, NT articles can be made a FA or GA, not necessary that you need to show a imaginary rivalry. India hardly face Pakistan in continental levels, not even continental quailification or Worldcup qualifications. By bringing comparison with Derbi Barceloni which is around 300 matches history to 25 matches itself making your point weak. Above that India vs Pakistan hardly have any knockout stage clash, where as the said derby has 19 such clashes including Final, Semifinal, Quarterfinals, for which it's more acceptable as derby. Again, the article that you mentioned is everything else but not a evidence of rivalry. I hope India and Pakistan will play often and that too in the highest championships and even knockout stages so that we can call it a derby or rivalry, but for now there is no evidence of rivalry, even after they play more group stage Saff championships matches, otherwise there will be thousand of such rivaly articles all over Wikipedia since every NTs have played such amount of matches with their neighbours. Drat8sub (talk) 14:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Derbi barceloni was to compare the lop sidedness of a derby and to show that such rivalries exist despite being one sided. They don't face in the continental events either. Also, comparing the number of games of an European club to Asian countries is unfair. Hardly any national teams face each other that often. Australia-South Korea have faced mere 28 games yet they see an independent page on rivalry, lot of friendlies and group stage encounters included. If it's because of the events they play in, then SAFF is also an official international competition. There have been instances of rivalries like the one I mentioned with a source. There are plenty of instances of Crossing the Divide, that you did not cover in your refutation. I don't see any reason to reject the rivalries just because they both are a weaker side and don't often play in continental level. It is unfair for the weaker national teams that want to grow. They deserve something interesting too. Footy2000 (talk) 06:38, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I know your intentions are good here, but by saying "....unfair for the weaker national teams that want to grow. They deserve something interesting too", the argument aligning with WP:NOTNP, WP:SOAPBOX, WP:CRYSTAL. Wikipedia is not news and neither it is for promotion or expectation. To be included in as a wikipedia articles, we need established facts backed by WP:RS. India and Pakistan in near future will only going to face each other in Saff, India vs Pakistan friendly is a highly unlikely according to Vision 2047 of AIFF since India is likely to play better ranked team in friendlies, there is no diverse competitions in which they will likely face, so rivalry is a far cry to be established. You have taken example of Ausie-Korean rivalry, just check how many matches each have won, Aus-9..Kor-8, they are playing friendlies, they are facing each other in the continental knockouts, and likely to face in future too, that's a established rivalry. I don't see a similar scenerio here. Drat8sub (talk) 08:10, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
About those last few sentences, it is at the end of the day international level football. I did not mean in a way that 'they must be promoted' rather it was in a tone of how weaker teams are treated unfairly here just because they are lower ranked. These are actual countries and not some random lower division clubs. There's literally a source from the federation itself that demonstrates the rivalry. If you can assume India wouldn't be playing any friendlies with Pakistan in future, can we not assume they would likely face in an AFC Qualifier Competition? Also, about the Aus-Kor rivalry, it is used as an example to show how few national teams face each other unlike clubs. Yet the rivalry exists. Footy2000 (talk) 08:30, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Notes from Pakistan: 'Aap haar-ke hi lautogey,' Tejinder recalls India's 1993 SAFF triumph". www.the-aiff.com. Retrieved 2023-05-18.
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:44, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

China–India football rivalry[edit]

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Does not follow WP:NSPORT. All the sources revolves around 1 match held in 2018, that too held after 30 years since 1988 match. The political rivalry and the geopolitical issues between two countries cannot be a reason of a sport rivalry. Even the statistics shows there is not established rivalry. They did not even face each other in the knockouts regional, continental cups or world stage like AFC Asia Cup, Asian Games or the WorldCup and the Olympics. And it cannot be called a rivalry if a country have zero wins against the other. Hardly played 11 matches and India won zero. Seems like some sort of WP:HOAX Drat8sub (talk) 10:43, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:45, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Xpert Times[edit]

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Not notable, with no relevant, reliable sources. Speedy delete may apply. BoraVoro (talk) 09:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article has the sources with news and reliable sources with ISNI authority control. It don't need to apply speedy deletion. Anjalijk (talk) 10:41, 18 May 2023 (UTC)— Anjalijk (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Reliable Sources, relevant Authority Control. No need to delete Ukmathura (talk) 11:05, 18 May 2023 (UTC)— Ukmathura (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Speedy delete as not notable and salt: Fails GNG. Blatant LTA and sockpuppetry. Fancy Refrigerator (talk) 14:49, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
explain why you think so 110.235.234.133 (talk) 10:11, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's a blog. which is non notable. There isn't really much else to say. TheInsatiableOne (talk) 10:29, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It contains syndicated, poorly-written or machine-written gruel solely existing to get ad-clicks. Nate • (chatter) 20:12, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I looked at one "article" and ohh boy: There are several other top features as well, like self-deposits and self-withdrawals in 24 hours, getting the ID in less than one minute, 24×7 chat service, no registration, no documentation and minimum ID from 100 that makes the platform a unique brand in the industry that is 100% safe and secure. Move over, NYT. The more reliable-seeming sources are merely passing mentions. A few sources seem like blogs themselves. SWinxy (talk) 20:38, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, junk paid placement SEO blog that's been abused on wiki several times. More likely candidate for blacklisting than for an article. Sam Kuru (talk) 17:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Non-notable website, References looks like Paid Releases. Most of the references covers the Founder and some articles Covers News Website's paid advertising news. Yasal Shahid (talk) 05:39, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. The person who loves reading (talk) 02:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. ✗plicit 12:45, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yang Bing-yi[edit]

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Notability is WP:INHERITED from his restaurant chain Din Tai Fung. MrsSnoozyTurtle 09:19, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:

    People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

    • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
    Sources

    1. Wang, Mei 王梅 (2001-01-01). "楊秉彝開創「鼎泰豐」傳奇" [Yang Bingyi created the "Din Tai Fung" legend]. Global Views Monthly [zh] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2023-05-18. Retrieved 2023-05-18.

      The article notes from Google Translate: "Yang Bingyi, the founder of "Din Tai Fung", was born in 1927, and his hometown is in Nao County, Shanxi Province, 240 miles away from Taiyuan City. At the age of thirteen, his hometown was occupied by the Japanese. Three years later, the Japanese surrendered. Bingyi went to the county seat to study a little. Not long after, the Communist Party came again, and the war broke out again. The Kuomintang and the Communist Party launched a fierce struggle, and the days were restless. Bingyi lived under bayonets and bullets all day long, and was terrified, worried that someday he would somehow get into trouble with his upper body? In the end, under the pretext of "going to Taiwan to study", he applied for leave to the army, left his hometown alone, and planned to go to Taiwan to join his uncle. That year, he was twenty-one years old."

      The article further notes from Google Translate: "Bingyi delivered oil during the day and part-time at night. Boss Wang's younger brother was in the business of importing Shaoxing wine, and Bingyi also helped deliver the goods everywhere. Bing Yi came back from delivering the goods every day, and he helped wash them in the store. Boss Wang thinks that this young man is not bad, he is very diligent in his work, and he really keeps his duty. After two years, he was promoted to be the counter and responsible for checking the accounts. and manage in-store purchases."

    2. May, Tiffany (2023-03-29). "Yang Bing-yi, Who Brought Soup Dumplings to the World, Dies at 96. Starting with a modest shop in Taiwan in 1958, he built Din Tai Fung into a global dumpling and noodle empire, earning a Michelin star along the way". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 2023-05-18. Retrieved 2023-05-18.

      The article notes: "Yang Bing-yi, the founder of Din Tai Fung, the Michelin-starred Taiwanese restaurant chain whose signature soup dumplings have attracted crowds around the world, has died at 96. ... Born in 1927 in Shanxi Province, China, Mr. Yang fled to Taiwan in the summer of 1948, when civil war erupted on the mainland. In Taiwan he found work as a deliveryman for Heng Tai Fung, a small shop that sold cooking oil. He later took charge of the shop’s accounts and inventory. When he was 28, he married Ms. Lai, a co-worker. The couple worked together until the shop closed, then opened Din Tai Fung as a cooking oil shop."

    3. Smith, Harrison (2023-03-29). "Yang Bing-yi, who built a soup-dumpling empire, dies at 96". The Washington Post. Archived from the original on 2023-03-30. Retrieved 2023-05-18.

      The article notes: "Mr. Yang was born in 1927 in the North China province of Shanxi. According to historian Haiming Liu’s book “From Canton Restaurant to Panda Express: A History of Chinese Food in the United States,” he served “in a local warlord army” before deciding he was poorly suited to military life. In 1948, he moved to Taiwan, seeking new opportunities with help from an uncle who lived on the island. ... Mr. Yang started out as a delivery man at a cooking-oil company, rising to oversee the books. His colleagues included Lai, who he soon married; after the business went bankrupt, they started their own oil company in 1958. Its name, Din Tai Fung, combined the names of Mr. Yang’s old employer and new oil supplier."

    4. Hagerty, James R. (2023-03-31). "Taiwan Dumpling King Steamed His Way to Global Renown: Yang Bing-Yi, who has died at 96, founded the Din Tai Fung restaurant chain". The Wall Street Journal. Archived from the original on 2023-04-02. Retrieved 2023-05-18.

      The article notes: "Mr. Yang was born in China’s Shanxi province in 1927. In the 1940s, he enlisted in the army of one of the warlords who then ruled parts of China, according to a history of Chinese food, “From Canton Restaurant to Panda Express,” by Haiming Liu."

    5. Feng, Emily; Cao, Aowen (2023-03-29). "Yang Bing-Yi, patriarch of Taiwan's soup dumpling empire, has died". NPR. Archived from the original on 2023-05-18. Retrieved 2023-05-18.

      The article notes: "Yang went by boat to Taiwan at the age of 21 — as company legend has it, with only $20 in his pocket — to join his uncle, who was already on the island. They were part of a massive exodus of up to 2 million Chinese refugees who fled the mainland for Taiwan during the end of the Chinese civil war. ... In Taipei, Yang met Lai, who would become his wife. They dated in secret for years before marrying. Like many mainland migrants who came to Taiwan in the 1940s and 1950s, Yang was already married — but with all exchanges cut off between China and Taiwan, he was unsure if he would ever see his first wife again or be able to confirm if she was even alive."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Yang Bing-yi (traditional Chinese: 楊秉彝; simplified Chinese: 杨秉彝) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 11:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • The WP:INHERITED essay says:

    The fact of having a famous relative is not, in and of itself, sufficient to justify an independent article. Individuals in close, personal relationships with famous people (including politicians) can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG. Newborn babies are not notable except for an heir to a throne or similar.

    The essay says, that a person "can have an independent article even if they are known solely for such a relationship, but only if they pass WP:GNG". This applies to Yang Bing-yi. He is known solely for founding Din Tai Fung, but because he passes WP:GNG, he can have an independent article.

    Cunard (talk) 11:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree with keep but I think it would help if you could improve formatting. Just link to the sources, you don't need to have 6 paragraphs of quotations that no one is going to read (and may also be potentially a violation of copyright). AncientWalrus (talk) 16:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was draftified‎.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:46, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Dismissal (musical)[edit]

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Musical that never was performed due to Covid. Fails WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 20:23, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete per WP:TOOSOON. After this musical (which has non-notable creators) has had a long-running production, or a production at a major venue, it can be added. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:54, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep or Draftify until premiere. I don't think being cancelled necessarily fails the general notability guideline. Aside from the already cited articles, there are also a number of published articles (1, 2) about the play. For the amount of expectation the subject received, it seems pretty notable. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 21:09, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Draftify, this would enable the article to be reconsidered once more coverage of the play is published in reliable independent sources. Dan arndt (talk) 07:47, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: notability has been demonstrated. The links identified by Tutwakhamoe demonstrate SIGCOV.
Play is therefore presumed notable. Onus is on deletion advocates to rebut that presumption.
It appears play may never be performed. WP:TOOSOON does not apply. Jack4576 (talk) 14:32, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify: In this case, six months will provide a more definitive answer to notability. Close should note that it should be moved to mainspace through AfC.  // Timothy :: talk  06:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment. I would just like to point out that this musical has never been published, recorded, or staged, and that the articles covering the musical presented above are entirely based on interviews with the work's creators because as of yet there is no way for anyone to view, listen to, or read the work in question and form an independent original evaluation. For this reason, the coverage to my mind lacks sufficient independence from the subject to pass WP:GNG. Further, it is possible that the work may never be performed, recorded, or published. Planned theatrical events do get cancelled (this one was once already). This really is a case of WP:TOOSOON.4meter4 (talk) 12:01, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify - it took me all of 5 seconds to find that it is being performed in August 2023, so the claims "it may never be performed" are nonsense. Draftification is entirely appropriate in that circumstance. Deus et lex (talk) 10:42, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Deus et lex It's not nonsense. It had a planned opening before in 2020 and Covid-19 scuttled that production. As the pandemic has demonstrated, real world events do cancel events last minute; sometimes permanently (several concert tours, Broadway productions, films, etc. were canceled and not replanned). We can't predict what will happen between now and August (war, disease, natural disaster, etc). This is why it's best to wait to create articles on live performance works/ events until after the premiere. Draftify is a reasonable option in this case.4meter4 (talk) 11:57, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4 - that was 2020 with Covid, it's now 2023 and the play is taking place in Australia. It is being advertised. Deus et lex (talk) 19:53, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Deus et lex Yes I recognize that. You are missing my point, which is that we can't assume planned future events will occur. WP:Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Regardless, we are both in agreement that draftify is a good alternative per WP:ATD. 4meter4 (talk) 19:57, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:47, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ayan Babakishiyeva[edit]

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Fails WP:SINGER. Sources in article cannot prove her notability because it is all idle news about her marriage and personal life. NMW03 (talk) 22:43, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Source
Interview 1.  "Mənim üçün həyat yoldaşı tapmaq asandır" - Ayan Babakişiyeva. Axşam
promo, entertainment news 2. ^ 250 min manatlıq mənzili azərbaycanlı müğənniyyə kim hədiyyə edib?. Day.az
Mention 3. ^ Azerbaijan chooses its beauty for 2014. Azernews
Divorce info 4. ^ Ayan Füzuli Musayevin boşanma sənədini yaydı. Aznews
promo human interest story 5. ^ Jump up to:a b Azərbaycanlı məmur sevgilisinin təqibindən Türkiyəyə qaçan müğənnimizin. Sonxeber.az
Interview 6. ^ Şou əhlindən Füzuli-Ayan davasına maraqlı açıqlamalar. Musavat
WP:BLP states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability per well known core policy (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV).  // Timothy :: talk  20:43, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: has recieved SIGCOV as an individual and therefore is presumed notable under GNG guidelines. Meets #1 of WP:SINGER as she is the subject of multiple local articles. It doesn't matter that the articles focus on her personal life and don't actually focus on her singing. Personal life reporting can still satisfy SIGCOV. Jack4576 (talk) 11:11, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete — Pretty much agree with the assessment of Timothy above. Apart from mostly magazine-style gossip reporting and interviews which aren't independent coverage, there is not much more to be found. Doesn't pass the GNG or its respective SNG. ~StyyxTalk? 19:14, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per SIGCOV and WP:GNG. I don't think we have ever been arbiters of what's trash and what's culture. Even if a singer fails NMUSIC, they still might be notable because of their notoriety in the tabloids and reality shows. Otherwise, half the Kardashians and 2/3 of the deposed royalty of Europe would not have articles here. Without assessing the reliablility of the sources, they look like significant coverage. I was ready to !vote to delete, but upon reading the article and looking at the Interwebs, I am convinced that she is notable. She has hundreds of followers on social media, and Spotify, Tidal, and Apple music downloads or listens of over 1 million. Bearian (talk) 14:41, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I still refuse to believe gossip reporting of tabloids is reliable, hence failing one criteria of the GNG. ~StyyxTalk? 19:52, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete per BLP. By my edit and self revert I've just demonstrated how little of this article is actually cited. The article appears to have been written and then sources supplied. This article is currently cited with a bare mention, several interviews and minor routine entertainment news, and nothing approaching significant coverage of the subject. I keep seeing folks using the link SIGCOV, but nothing applied or found meets the criteria for significant coverage required of a biography of a living person. I largely agree with User:TimothyBlue's source analysis above. The articles in other languages are using the same poor sourcing. BusterD (talk) 13:40, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. This reminds me of a recent Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shilpa Bala an Indian actress who posted lots of photos of herself to various online media to generate publicity. I'm getting a similar vibe here. Taking into account User:BusterD's stripping of uncited material and putting it back (informative & fair IMO) and User:TimothyBlue's source analysis I'm inclined to agree with the assertion that the quality of sources so far presented is not of sufficient reliability to pass notability for a BLP. Rupples (talk) 01:34, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Shortly after writing the above I found this article in a Turkish newspaper which seems OK for reliability https://www.oncevatan.com.tr/superstar-ayan-babakishiyeva. Rupples (talk) 02:04, 24 May 2023 (UTC) (edit: replaced incorrect link Rupples (talk) 02:12, 24 May 2023 (UTC) )[reply]
    It isn't the reliable Vatan. ~StyyxTalk? 18:17, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Er OK. The article's not exactly indepth but seems independent of the subject. I've searched the reliable sources board and nothing came up for Once Vatan. I said it "seems" reliable but I've no specific knowledge of Turkish media. Are you saying it's not? If so, on what basis? Rupples (talk) 23:06, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per above. The person who loves reading (talk) 02:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure)‎ MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:49, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Bogner[edit]

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Notability is largely WP:INHERITED from his organisation GISAID. MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC),[reply]

Nomination withdrawn. I apologise for not realising that several of the sources are prior to Mr Bogner's involvement with GISAID. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 22:26, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And I think that all very clearly meets the general notability requirements. SilverserenC 16:45, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW I would consider the Elbe et al source you mention to not be independent. It is far from neutral, praising Bogner and GISAID uncritically. Furthermore, GISAID explicitly promotes citations to the article:

When making the first reference to your use of data obtained through GISAID, cite GISAID as the source of these data used in your analysis by adding footnote to appear in your References section to one of the three sources for citation below
— https://gisaid.org/publish/

Many of the authors claims appear to be refuted or at least thrown into doubt by Science 2023. AncientWalrus (talk) 17:02, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I'm sure it's biased. I thought the same after reading it myself. But it's still reliable source coverage, that doesn't change just because of bias. And the useful thing is that its claims can be used and then refuted with the Science one, giving much better context as a whole on the sort of lies that were pushed by Bogner at the time. SilverserenC 17:05, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. No unstruck keeps remain. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:30, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aleksandr Tillo[edit]

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Doesn't meet WP:NOLYMPICS and a WP:BEFORE didn't produce much more. He placed not so good in single men events. In team events he had better results. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 19:56, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The Ukrainian, Russian, and Polish wikipedias each have more detailed biographies on him - it seems he was an important military person and this is arguable sigcov. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:04, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • Per the UK wiki, it seems he was awarded the Order of St. Stanislav 3rd degree (1906); Order of St. Anna, 3rd degree (1911); Order of St. Stanislav, 2nd degree (January 1915); Order of St. Anna, 2nd degree with swords (January 10, 1915); and Order of St. Volodymyr 4th degree with swords and bow (November 8, 1916) – not sure of the significance of any of these. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:07, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      These are all awards are routine and tied into status in the Russian table of ranks.  // Timothy :: talk  05:23, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It may be worth checking Newspapers.com. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:47, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Unfortunately Newspapers.com doesn't have any Russian papers. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:54, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, however, it may have English newspapers commenting on their Olympic appearances. QuicoleJR (talk) 00:06, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I checked, but nothing came up. It was pretty rare that foreign athletes were in-depth covered by US papers back then. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:40, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - the article should not be deleted because the person is clearly notable as demonstrated in the Russian version of the article listing that Tillo received several highest state orders of honour of the Russian Empire. However, it should be substantially reworked to properly demonstrate the subject's notability.ThegaBolt (talk) 15:29, 29 April 2023 (UTC) sock strike JoelleJay (talk) 01:16, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    For reference, Aleksandr Tillo (Q12163195) is his Wikidata item. See links in other language via that. BhamBoi (talk) 02:37, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @ThegaBolt: The awards he received were the highest honors in the Russian Empire? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:50, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep: the articles and cited sources in Polish, Ukrainian and Russian make clear that a good article could be written here: Tillo's military career and fate as a victim of the Purges can be included alongside his sporting career. I count at least three different cited sources across those three languages, so the subject ought to meet WP:GNG. UndercoverClassicist (talk) 13:37, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep: Agreed with UndercoverClassicist. It has cited sources in Polish, Russian, and Ukrainian. CastJared (talk) 17:39, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fails GNG and BIO. Sources in the article are not SIGCOV. This is a database bio. References in Polish Wikipedia are all database records; Ukrainian Wikipedia has a database record and a 404 dead link; Russian wikipedia has two database sources (including one mentioned above).  // Timothy :: talk  05:34, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Neutral: I take User:TimothyBlue's point that the sources do not necessarily establish notability, despite the substantial information that some of them contain. I'm not quite ready to call delete, since I don't have the means to check for sources in Russian, and the numerous ways in which Tillo was potentially notable suggest that he probably pops up in a number of sources on different topics, but I recognise that I don't have much other than "there must be sources" on which to base that opinion. It would be very helpful if someone able to search in Russian or Ukrainian would take a look. UndercoverClassicist (talk) 09:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral: I agreed with TimothyBlue's point. It doesn't have the notability yet. CastJared (talk) 10:41, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    So what makes you not vote for delete? Or are you just following UndercoverClassicist, voting for keep when the user did and now striking your original vote and now voting for neutral according to the user? Timothytyy (talk) 04:49, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't think that the grwar.ru source can just be discounted like that. When I think of database entry, I think of something like this, with little information overall besides very basic statistical details. In this case, the source has substantial details about him that could be used to write a decent biography (lists a bunch of awards, the dates he received them, his religion, where he lived, where he attended school, when he received military promotions, what he did after the military, how he died, etc.). I would argue this to be significant coverage. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:15, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The problem is more whether it qualifies as fully secondary within the meaning of the GNG: sites which automatically harvest data for all members of a given, not-inherently-notable category may be suitable to cite for facts, but can't establish notability by themselves, since the fact that the subject is included in the database doesn't mean that a human being has decided that they're notable (only that they fit the category). A similar system is adopted for IMDB: you can cite IMDB to tell you that an actor was in a film, but the fact that the actor is mentioned or has a page on on IMDB doesn't really count towards GNG, because IMDB fairly indiscriminately presents information on everyone associated with films, and we don't consider that people are notable simply for clearing that bar. UndercoverClassicist (talk) 16:05, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    IMDb is used as external links only. CastJared (talk) 12:58, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Agreed with Timothy and UndercoverClassicist above. I'm not seeing any SIGCOV in RS. GRWar is a self-published blog by a non-expert, and anyway that source indiscriminately scrapes various primary military lists (all the post-war activity is taken directly from this website that eulogizes 4,000 victims in Leningrad of NKVD Order no. 00447), it's not secondary prose coverage. I think if there was actual coverage of Tillo's military career in Russian sources, Likhotvorik would have included it; the fact that the only material here is routine data available for every WWI troop/troika target indicates his military activities were not particularly noteworthy. JoelleJay (talk) 21:59, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, per JoelleJay and TimothyBlue. BilledMammal (talk) 02:40, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:49, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Media5-fone[edit]

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No proof of passing the general notability guideline. I found no Google Books hits. Joy (talk) 17:21, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: Fails GNG and NCORP. Sources are promo and primary, nothing that meets IS RS with SIGCOV. BEFORE showed nothing with SIGCOV.  // Timothy :: talk  07:40, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Oh yeah, when this was first written and proposed for deletion, this was the deprodding diff. No secondary references were added to establish notability there, and the writer turned out to be a classic single-purpose account. We've assumed good faith for almost a decade by now, it's time to paint over the old grafitti. --Joy (talk) 17:25, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I added some references. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 21:14, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I see citations to business 2 community, Univers Freebox, Root.cz. What are these sources? Do they prove general notability? Are they used in our other articles about software or telecommunications? --Joy (talk) 10:48, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Even with the added sources the article still fails WP:GNG, WP:NORG, and WP:NSOFT. Business2Community is a WordPress blog that uses freelance writers to generate content and does not appear to be a reliable source. This source is about a petition to restore SIP on the Freebox and has nothing to do with Media5-fone, which is only mentioned once in passing in the comments section of that article. While I understand French, the Root.cz article is written in Czech which I do not speak and I do not know if it is a reliable source or not, but from what I can tell through Google Translate the Media5-fone is only mentioned briefly in a short paragraph and in passing in two other places, and looks like a trivial mention. These aren't enough to show notability for the article's subject. - Aoidh (talk) 02:33, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. If a redirect is desired, any user is free to create one. ✗plicit 12:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fractured (Mini-series)[edit]

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Non-notable miniseries. Only recently started production, so probably just a case of WP:TOOSOON, but the author refuses to keep this in drafts. Sources cited are just pre-production promo, and a search finds nothing better (albeit that it's not an easy term to search). Fails WP:GNG / WP:TVSERIES. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:44, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: Fails GNG and WP:RPRGM. Source eval:
Comments Source
Routine entertainment news, based on company info. 1. Mallorca, Hannah (March 16, 2023). "Francine Diaz, Seth Fedelin, Jennica Garcia cast in upcoming ABS-CBN series 'Fractured'". Inquirer.Net.
Promo, not IS - ABS-CBN News 2. ^ Jump up to:a b c d e f g h i "Francine Diaz, Seth Fedelin to star in a new project 'Fractured'". ABS-CBN News. March 16, 2023.
Promo, not IS - ABS-CBN Entertainment 3. ^ "Here's what FranSeth, Jennica, co-stars revealed so far about upcoming series "Fractured"". ABS-CBN Entertainment. March 17, 2023.
Promo, not IS - ABS-CBN News 4. ^ "LOOK: 'Fractured' stars get wet in new photo shoot". ABS-CBN News. May 17, 2023.
BEFORE showed database records and promo, nothing meeting SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth from IS RS. I don't think this is a good redirect, but I defer if a consensus for a redirect emerges.  // Timothy :: talk  05:43, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Several sources have been provided, but people disagree about their relevance for WP:GNG. Sandstein 06:40, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Whorrey Potter and the Sorcerer's Balls[edit]

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No evidence of notability, minor award nomination. All standard adult film coverage. Previous PROD ended in deletion in 2022. Article was recreated this year. DonaldD23 talk to me 22:43, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Various mainstream media echoed (more or less briefly) the production of this parody: IGN[1], ContactMusic[2] at least.
  • Emma Watson, who played one of the characters in the original film, is said to have enjoyed meeting the actor who plays this parody version of her role.[3][4][5] (this news received a lot of attention, and various other articles on the Internet covered the encounter.)
  • A tongue-in-cheek article in the Chicago Tribune quotes the title of the film in a reflexion about the weight of porn in men's fantasies.[6]
  • Le Journal de Montréal mentions the film as an exemple in the trend of porn parodies, lists the awards the film has won and translates its title in French as "Potter le putassier et les boules du sorcier"[7]
  1. ^ McCutcheon, David (2011-02-16). "Harry Potter's Porn Parody in 3D". IGN. Retrieved 2023-05-02.
  2. ^ "Potter Gets The Porn Treatment". Contactmusic.com. 2011-02-16. Retrieved 2023-05-02.
  3. ^ "Emma Watson meets the guy who played her in a gay porn. Wait, what?". UPROXX. 2011-07-20. Retrieved 2023-05-02.
  4. ^ Raymundo, Oscar. "Emma Watson: Meeting Gay Porn Hermione Made My Night". Queerty. Retrieved 2023-05-02.
  5. ^ "Shut the Front Door: Emma Watson Meets Gay Porn Star Who Played Hermione". MTV. Retrieved 2023-05-02.
  6. ^ "Does my boyfriend want me, or a fantasy porn girl? – Chicago Tribune". www.chicagotribune.com. Retrieved 2023-05-02.
  7. ^ Hontebeyrie, Isabelle. "Harry Potter et Mary Poppins en version xxx". Le Journal de Montréal. Retrieved 2023-05-02.
I would say that for a porn film this shows notability. For what it's worth, the film is also mentioned in Lauren Rosewarne's Sex and Sexuality in Modern Screen Remakes (Springer, 2019), p. 226. I didn't search that hard so there is probably much more. But I guess there's enough to write a rather good page.

— MY, OH, MY! 23:25, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oh Good God Keep Please That plot description is the hardest I've ever laughed at a Wikipedia article, and Yank's reflist appears to satisfy the GNG. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 02:22, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Keep, the Journal de Montreal and the Chicago Paper seem ok. I wouldn't say Emma Watson liking the film ads to notability, but certainly ads colour to the story. Oaktree b (talk) 02:48, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The subtle link to “semen” from the part about magic liquid in the titular balls did make me laugh pretty hard Dronebogus (talk) 17:32, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete Does not pass the GNG due to lack of significant coverage by RS. The IGN and Contactmusic articles are about another parody production, This Ain't Harry Potter XXX. Journal de Montreal is not RS being a sensationalist tabloid. Chicago Tribune is a letter column and a silly name drop. The emma watson meeting bit is trivial coverage. Morbidthoughts (talk) 08:27, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rectified the mentions of pages about This Ain't Harry Potter XXX indeed— MY, OH, MY! 09:49, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • in non mainstream media, a review in Fleshbot titles ’“Whorrey Potter” Is the Most Important 3D Movie Since “Avatar” (this might be a bit of a bombastic statement but if you look up for the page, be aware it is very much NSFW); this review laments the absence of any real sex scene during the first 20 minutes of the film. And there is one review in Manhunt Daily titled: ’Whorrey Potter: 9 & 3/4 Reasons That You’ll Be Holding Your Wand And Shouting “Erectus!” (this review mentions Chelsea Lately talking about the film but I could not verify that; again I don’t link the page as it has not safe for work content— MY, OH, MY! 09:49, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I'm at work, so I'll take My Oh My's word on the sources, I think overall we have just enough to !keep. Oaktree b (talk) 14:50, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - notable porn film as shown by Mushy Yank. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  16:40, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I concur with Morbidthoughts (who works in the adult industry) that this does not appear to be notable, the coverage is sensational and trivial. Hemiauchenia (talk) 01:11, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Non-reliable sources or brief namedrops do not establish notability. The citations provided by "Mushy Yank" are useless. Zaathras (talk) 12:44, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 12:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jameel Ahmed Memon[edit]

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This man (who created this bio page) does not satisfy the requirements of WP:GNG or WP:SIGCOV. Certainly the two provided sources don’t establish any notability whatsoever, and there’s nothing else on the internet that might help in that regard. BoyTheKingCanDance (talk) 07:56, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure)‎ Shivangi1738 (talk) 21:26, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nara Bahadur Bista[edit]

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Fails WP:NPOL, no reliable sources, fails does not meet WP:GNG, I believe the person may not be notable enough. Shivangi1738 (talk) 07:28, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. ✗plicit 12:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mikalah Gordon[edit]

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Fails WP:NSINGER. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:55, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:

    People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

    • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
    Sources

    1. Patterson, Denny (2022-12-16). "Mikalah Gordon Talks Debut Album and Entertainment Journey". Out Front. Archived from the original on 2023-05-14. Retrieved 2023-05-14.

      The article notes: "Mikalah Gordon was only 17 years old when she landed in the Top 12 of American Idol’s fourth season, which kick-started her career with a national audience that took to her unique stage presence and powerful vocals. Although the artist has ventured into acting, comedy, and serves as the host for Channel Q’s Morning Beat, discussing the latest in LGBTQ news, pop culture, and entertainment, she has not released a full-length record until now."

    2. Ho, Rodney (2008-08-14). "American Idol Buzz - 8/15: Remember Mikalah Gordon? She's baaack in "Gone Country 2"". The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Archived from the original on 2023-05-14. Retrieved 2023-05-14.

      The article notes: "Mikalah Gordon was a polarizing figure from season four in 2005. She started out with a lot of refreshing attitude, then kind of melted into confusion over her image and sound. And her diction while singing was odd to say the least. She didn't quite disappear after "Idol," doing some hosting work for Fox Reality Channel's "Idol" roundups for a couple of years, acting as a correspondent for "The Tyra Banks Show," plus playing a spoiled pop star on "The Unit." She also portrayed Fran Drescher's cousin on Fran's sitcom "Living With Fran." And now she's on her first big reality show since "Idol" called "Gone Country 2," where this Jewish, Italian gal from Vegas attempts to "go country.""

    3. Reilly, Hillary; Rubin, Sam (2022-08-05). "Former American Idol contestant Mikalah Gordon releases new single 'Hands Off'". KTLA. Archived from the original on 2023-05-14. Retrieved 2023-05-14.

      The article notes: "Mikalah Gordon made her singing debut on “American Idol” when she was only sixteen years old and since then she has taken off as a singer, songwriter and even had a comedy stint at one point."

    4. "Songwriter, Mikalah Gordon talks her journey and learning to be brave through loss". WSFL-TV. 2022-08-26. Archived from the original on 2023-05-14. Retrieved 2023-05-14.

      The article notes: "At only 17 years old, Mikalah Gordon rose to national prominence as a top 12 finalist in season four of American Idol. Since then, her career has continued to flourish as a sought-after host, comedian, and highly visible LGBTQ plus luminary. She joined Inside South Florida to talk about her highly anticipated debut album, “Vivian,” and the inspiration behind her latest single off the album, “Hands Off.”"

    5. Levitan, Corey (2008-08-14). "Former 'Idol' finalist throws cowboy hat in ring on CMT reality music show". Las Vegas Review-Journal. Archived from the original on 2023-05-14. Retrieved 2023-05-14.

      The article notes: "Like most students at the Las Vegas Academy of International Studies, Performing & Visual Arts, Mikalah Gordon dreamed of stardom. Unlike most, Gordon saw her dream come true. In 2005, the 16-year-old Las Vegan became an "American Idol" finalist. ... Now, Gordon appears on the second season of "Gone Country," the Country Music Television reality series in which B-list celebs room together while competing to write and record the best country song. ... Gordon’s love of music is unquestionable. Her dad, Rocky, is a jazz saxophonist (as was his dad, Irv). Gordon sang with Rocky onstage as a tyke, and on his 2001 album, "Perfect World." From ages 6 to 12, she sang with the Helen Joy Young Entertainers, which provided both singing lessons and the opportunity to carol for President Clinton at the White House."

    6. Clarke, Norm (2005-02-23). ""Idol" singer"s dad sings her praises". Las Vegas Review-Journal. Archived from the original on 2023-05-14. Retrieved 2023-05-14.

      The article notes: "Gordon, a junior at Cimarron-Memorial, was among the 12 female finalists who competed Tuesday night on the Fox hit show. Mikalah, who turned 17 on January 14, "has always had the `X' factor, like Simon (judge Simon Cowell) talks about. It's like holding back a freight train," said her father, a jazz musician who helped mold a special talent and has been working with her since Mikalah qualified at the Las Vegas auditions."

    7. Lawrence, Christopher (2005-09-12). "Gordon puts singing on hold for fabulous life in sitcoms". Las Vegas Review-Journal. Archived from the original on 2023-05-14. Retrieved 2023-05-14.

      The article notes: "But Mikalah Gordon has found a way to make it pay off.Rather than being confined to a gig in one of the Strip's tribute shows, the "American Idol" finalist has parlayed that resemblance into a role on this week's season premiere of Drescher's sitcom, "Living With Fran" (9:30 p.m. Thursday, KVWB-TV, Channel 21). Gordon plays Brianna, the Broadway-singing cousin of Drescher's character. The role is the culmination of nearly a lifetime of comparisons."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Mikalah Gordon to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

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  • Keep in view of the multiple reliable sources identified in this discussion above that together show significant coverage for passing WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view Atlantic306 (talk) 22:49, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: My original nomination of this article was based on my interpretation of the criteria at WP:NSINGER. Reading the following - "Singers and musicians who are only notable for participating in a reality television series may be redirected to an article about the series, until they have demonstrated that they are independently notable." - it would be appropriate to redirect this article to appropriate season of American Idol, which is what I probably should have done in the first place. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:21, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep: As illustrated by Cunard, there has been meaningful news coverage of her music, hosting, and acting careers since Idol. --Jpcase (talk) 22:27, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above. The person who loves reading (talk) 02:08, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure)‎ Dr vulpes (💬 • 📝) 08:00, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Manfred K. Warmuth[edit]

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Draftify. since this article is more than 90 days old it can not be sent to draft unless it goes to AfD. I believe the article is notable but in its current state it needs work. Right now it has no references or content that would help it pass WP:ACADEMIC.Dr vulpes (💬 • 📝) 04:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC) Withdrawn by nominator Sources have improved this article such that I withdraw this nomination. Dr vulpes (💬 • 📝) 08:00, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. Expanded now, easy pass of multiple WP:PROF criteria. Dr. vulpes is reminded that deletion is not for cleanup, that draftification is not for backdoor deletions, and that if they see a problem they are welcome to fix it themselves rather than trying to bury it in draftspace in the hope that nobody finds it there and it goes away after six months. Also their phrasing references or content that would help it pass WP:ACADEMIC makes no sense and indicates a failure to understand our notability criteria and to perform WP:BEFORE. It is article subjects that pass notability criteria, not articles themselves, and the academic criteria are not based on references. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I am fully aware of the rules @David Eppstein thank you for the reminder. If I wanted to delete the article I would have stated as such, the topic clearly had merit but lacked all the things an article should have, such as content and sources. This attitude that sending articles to Draft is just a backdoor attempt to delete something undermines the purpose of even having drafts. As a polite reminder AfD is the only mechanism available for moving article off main space into draft after 90 days. I understand that this guy is in your field but your attitude and tone is not necessary. Dr vulpes (💬 • 📝) 07:57, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: per WP:PROF. Warmuth is a member of the German Academy of Sciences Leopoldina. TJMSmith (talk) 05:19, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure)‎ LibStar (talk) 00:29, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Little G[edit]

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I searched under "Little G" and "Gina Chrisanthopolous" and could find no indepth coverage. Fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 04:23, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. ✗plicit 12:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Anton Smit[edit]

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Anton Smit

This article about a screenwriter has only one reference, vprogids.nl. That web site is a cinema database, which lists all of the films he has written, but does not provide any independent significant coverage. This article reads like a resume or filmography, and says nothing else about the subject. Unilaterally sending this article to draft space after six years would be disruptive.

  • Draftify as nominator. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep. The corresponding article in the Dutch-language Wikipedia at nl:Anton Smit has some additional references that could be added to the English article. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 05:11, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Anton Smit is an important screenwriter and producer with a long track record who contributed to some of the most well known contemporary Dutch movies and TV series. Additionally he was an Academy Award nominee for motion picture 'De Tweeling'. Mill 1 (talk) 05:12, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: The citation links in the Dutch article are a bit difficult to navigate (as they don't directly lead to the sources), so I'll list an updated version of them here for the future editors to access:
1. List of recipients of the Golden Calf Award by Netherland Film Festival, in which the subject was shown to have won in 2003 in the Feature Film category along with Hanneke Niens;
2. Oscar Award for 2004 (switch to "Foreign Language Film" category). The subject was not named, but Twin Sisters, a film where he was one of the producers, got nominated;
3. Prix Europa 2006 Awards. The subject was not named. Instead, De Uitverkorene, a film for which he was one of the producers, was awarded Television Programme of the Year;
4. Eye Film Institute Netherland Awards. Again, the subject was not named. Bride Flight, a film where he was one of the producers, was given the 2009 Feature Film Award;
5. His profile in Vpro Cinema.
Honestly I can't really decide on this one. On one hand, he does seem to meet the third criteria of WP:PRODUCER; On the other hand, I did not manage to find any significant coverage that can be use to improve the current article (Unless he is also the sculptor that many news articles talked about). Tutwakhamoe (talk) 03:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect‎ to University of Oregon#Knight Campus. ✗plicit 12:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Phil and Penny Knight Campus for Accelerating Scientific Impact[edit]

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Not noteworthy Wiseoleman17 (talk) 03:37, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into University of Oregon#Knight Campus. There are actually a fair few RS reporting on this campus, but they're almost all focused on the donation the University received to construct it. It might one day be notable in its own right, but for now it doesn't look like it. --Tserton (talk) 14:31, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe someone can handle the merger if it happens? Wiseoleman17 (talk) 15:45, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect into University of Oregon#Knight Campus. It's a highly specific search term, so at least it's not a problematic redirect. I don't really see any content that's screaming "merge me" into the target article though. Doesn't really have standalone notability though. KoA (talk) 13:58, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect‎ to Serenity Rose. ✗plicit 03:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Serenity Rose[edit]

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Relies heavily on questionable sources like Kickstarter, primary source and a defunct CBR article. Did not find in-depth reviews or other significant coverage of the subject. No change to the citations were made when deproded. Does not seem to pass WP:GNG Tutwakhamoe (talk) 17:43, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

An interview at Comic Beat and a working CBR link are out there, though the page and the comic are work of a self-promotionalist and the rest of Google is bringing up mindless spam. Would propose Redirect to Slave Labor Graphics to cover for the unlikely event of a boom in third-rate Emily Strange knock-offs. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 18:11, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Wikipedias. RL0919 (talk) 17:10, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vikipedija[edit]

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This is English-language wikipedia. No evidence that the word 'Vikipedija' is used in Engish texts. We have hundreds of languages with millions of non-english words, right? Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 03:32, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • (changed opinion) redirect to List of Wikipedias, accorfing to great find of Tavix below. Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 20:20, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This is a harmless disambiguation page. Someone searching for information about one of the four Wikipedias that use the name "Vikipedija" is likely to search using that name. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 03:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 03:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dedert Corporation[edit]

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Many, Many problems. likely not notable, written promotionally being the big 2 Clone commando sev (talk) 02:36, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: per nom. Was deleted G11'd a week ago, see User talk:RazaqDesigner#May 2023 2.  // Timothy :: talk  02:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    So this AFD might deserve a speedy delete then? Clone commando sev (talk) 05:33, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    AfD seemed a more permanent solution. If it returns it can then be G4'd and salted. No objection if it SNOWs to delete.  // Timothy :: talk  05:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: promo-only sources. Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 03:34, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 02:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 02:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 02:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article is being edited and advertising content have been removed and tonned down. Thanks to everyone who's been contributing to this work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RazaqDesigner (talk • contribs) 09:05, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I don't see any independent sourcing, just company-submitted profiles, press releases, and press release churnalism. - MrOllie (talk) 14:50, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @MrOllieThe article about Dedert Corporation has been toned down. You might want to take another look and close the discussion. Cheers. RazaqDesigner (talk) 18:29, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Of the 16 sources cited, most are primary/press releases (dedert, pharmaceuticalonline, anugafoodtec, just-food, powderbuilsolids, manufacturing, thomasnet, bignewsnetwork). The yahoo one is a press release for marketsandmarkets which I can't verify, but is only supporting that they have a 10,000sqft testing facility in Chicago, which frankly sounds pretty trivial. fortunebusinessinsights is likely just a scraper sector review of public/PR materials - not a great reputation for that firm. The only one that seems independent is the foodnavigator-usa piece, which is again pretty cursory. A secondary search turns up surprisingly few sources, and almost all are SEO/paid placement. It's not over-the-top spam like the previously deleted version of the article - I just don't see anything that would support WP:CORP.Sam Kuru (talk)
  • Delete per above. The person who loves reading (talk) 02:09, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure)‎ LibStar (talk) 00:19, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Siobhan Austen[edit]

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Only 2 articles link to this article. Could not find coverage to meet WP:PROF or WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 02:22, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, easily meets WP:PROF as per discussion above. LibStar continues to nominate articles for AfD without performing basic WP:Before, or demonstrating a competence in evaluating source for SIGCOV. Raises questions of competence Jack4576 (talk) 07:35, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (barely): There are two reviews of their book [9]. Source eval:
Comments Source
Publisher, primary 1. Austen, Siobhan (2003). Culture and the Labour Market. Edward Elgar Publishing. p. [1]. ISBN 9781843763178.
Primary, from employer 2. ^ Jump up to:a b c d "Curriculum Vitae Siobhan Austen". Curtin University.
Primary, from employer 3. ^ "Overview of the Wiser group". Curtin University.
Iffy 4. ^ Wood, Stephanie (18 June 2022). "'I don't mind camping, but I won't sleep in the car': what happens when superannuation keeps failing women". The Guardian. ISSN 0261-3077. Retrieved 19 May 2023.
Iffy 5. ^ Costa, Monica; Sharp, Rhonda; Austen, Siobhan (29 September 2020). "Each budget used to have a gender impact statement. We need it back". The Conversation. Retrieved 19 May 2023.
Iffy 6. ^ Wade, Matt (16 July 2019). "There's a reason Australia's gender pay gap is so persistent". The Sydney Morning Herald. Retrieved 19 May 2023.
Primary, from employer 7. ^ "Overview of Siobhan Austen". Curtin University.
Its a close call between TOOSOON and Keep, I think the squeeks past GNG and NPROF "7. The person has made substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity." states that "if the person is frequently quoted in conventional media as an academic expert in a particular area." gives a little room past the two reviews of their work.  // Timothy :: talk  04:41, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. RL0919 (talk) 17:07, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Scott Savol[edit]

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Fails WP:NSINGER. Bgsu98 (Talk) 03:21, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:

    People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

    • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
    Sources

    1. Soeder, John (2006-01-24). "The Same Old Scott: 'Idol' Also-Ran Making Tracks Back Home". The Plain Dealer. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.

      The article notes: "Last year, Scott Savol was on "American Idol," chasing his dream of a big-time music career in front of tens of millions of television viewers. Last week, he was in a Cleveland Heights house, holed up in a second-floor bedroom that had been converted into a home recording studio. ... Framed photos of Martin Luther King Jr. and Tupac Shakur look down from the walls. The studio is run by William Lynch and his son, Ray. They've known Savol for years, long before he went to Hollywood to compete on "Idol." ... For the holiday season, Savol recorded a one-off single titled "Upon a Christmas Night," available as a 99-cent download from Cleveland International Records."

    2. Bernstein, Margaret (2008-01-21). "Real life after reality television: Local 'stars' build careers, find callings after the cameras stop rolling". The Plain Dealer. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.

      The article notes: "In 2005, Savol brought a burst of fame to his hometown of Shaker Heights and caused a frenzy of call-in support from local fans when he surprisingly plowed his way into the top five on "American Idol." He didn't have the glamorous looks of an 'Idol'; one writer commented that Savol always looked as if he had stopped by the Fox show on his way to the mall food court. Yet his smooth voice only seemed to get more polished each week. The days are gone when Cleveland's homegrown star got invited regularly to croon for Leno, Ellen, Regis and the rest, but Savol's dad, Edward Savol, said that a long-promised debut album should arrive soon. The "Idol" star no longer lives in Shaker Heights; he got married shortly after the show ended and moved to Tennessee to be part of the Nashville music scene."

    3. Rushfield, Richard (2011). American Idol: The Untold Story. New York: Hachette Books. ISBN 978-1-4013-9652-7. Retrieved 2023-05-14 – via Google Books.

      The book notes: "In contrast to the glowing presence of Carrie Underwood, Scott "the Body" Savol represented the other end of the spectrum. Pudgy, sullen, and uncommunicative, the R&B singer radiated anticharisma. Yet, as the season progressed, he survived as fan favorites fell. Even after The Smoking Gun revealed Savol had once been arrested for hitting the mother of his child with a telephone, he continued to climb. In the top six week of the competition, Savol finally outlasted one of the season's breakthrough stars, long-haired rocker Constantine Maroulis. The media went ballistic and set off an investigation worthy of the Iran-Contra affair. "Maybe the conspiracy theorists are on to something. There's little else to explain Scott Savol's baffling longevity on American Idol," wrote USA Today. ... Savol's fortunes likely had more to do with his nods to Idol's Christian viewers, but Vote for the Worst was now part of the Idol dialogue."

    4. Givhan, Robin (2005-05-06). "Scott Savol, Left Holding the Baggy". The Washington Post. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.

      The article notes: "There were many reasons why Savol could not win, the least of which was his inability to stay on pitch. ... Savol could not be the "American Idol" because he does not inspire mimicry. As judge Simon Cowell once noted, the inexplicably swaggering Savol was ordinary. Audiences might admire the chutzpah of an ordinary man. But they do not aspire to be him. ... Savol was styled in a jarring puzzle of hip-hop cliches, business casual jackets and debate club eyeglasses. His jeans were oversize and with the kind of washed-out look that announces their designer credentials."

    5. Martin, Bill (2016-02-25). "Scott Savol: Journey from Northeast Ohio to Top 5 on American Idol". WJW. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.

      The article notes: "Scott landed in the Top 5 on season 4, the same year as Carrie Underwood. Now, he works for a local cable provider while he sings with his band ‘Avenue’ in his free time."

    6. "How Scott Savol can win American Idol". Entertainment Weekly. 2005-03-14. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.

      The article notes: "What's Off-Key: He showed a competitive side in the audition rounds that seems to have been snuffed out in front of a large, live audience. Clothes Calls: Scott hasn’t quite looked comfortable in any of his dull duds. Perhaps an area-code jersey is the way to go?"

    7. Silverman, Stephen M. (2005-04-01). "'Idol' Scott Savol's Rap Sheet Exposed". People. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.

      The article notes: "Another season, another Idol contestant whose past has caught up with him. This time, it’s American Idol finalist Scott Savol, who in 2001 was arrested on a charge of felony domestic violence after allegedly roughing up his infant son’s mother during a Valentine’s Day confrontation. The charge was eventually reduced to disorderly conduct."

    8. Latifi, Sadia (2009-10-17). "Idol Contestant at Hillside". The News & Observer. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.

      The article notes: "A former "American Idol" contestant visited Hillside High School last week to sing and motivate students. Scott Savol, a top five finalist on season four of the popular singing competition, made a surprise visit to the school last Friday. Savol was the subject of some controversy during his time on the show because he had been charged with misdemeanor assault for hitting his girlfriend and mother of his son with a telephone on Valentine's Day 2001."

    9. Smith, Troy L. (2014-05-18). "Make or break for reality stars: We track down Clevelanders who made small-screen appearances". The Plain Dealer. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.

      The article notes: "Scott Savol: The Shaker Heights resident finished fifth on Season 4 of “American Idol” (won by Carrie Underwood). Savol made headlines during the season when it was revealed he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor disorderly conduct charges in 2001. Producers allowed him to continue in the competition. Savol recently tried out for NBC’s “The Voice” and sings in popular Cleveland wedding band The Avenue."

    10. "Scott Savol". The Plain Dealer. 2006-01-24. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.

      The article notes: "Birthdate: April 30, 1976. Personal: Engaged to Rochelle Waddell; a July 8 wedding is planned. Savol has a 5-year-old son, Brandon, from a previous relationship. Savol is the second of four children of Edward and Catherine Savol of Shaker Heights; he has an older sister, a younger brother and a younger sister."

    11. Kadar, Dan (2005-08-03). "Cleveland Cheers 'American Idol' Cast - Finalists BO Bice and Scott Savol Nearly Steal Concert From Winners Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood". Akron Beacon Journal. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.

      The article notes: "It wasn't until local hero Scott Savol from Shaker Heights took the stage that the crowd really started to explode. Savol's fans filled the seats on the left side of the stage and barked at the pudgy singer whenever provoked. Creatively dubbed "the Dawg Pound," Savol's fans went crazy as he finished off a three-song set with Hall and Oates' She's Gone. Savol even brought his son Brandon onstage to say hello to the crowd."

    12. Washington, Julie E. (2005-04-22). "Hometown fans are hot for Scott". The Plain Dealer. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.

      The article notes: "On “American Idol” Tuesdays, Champps Restaurant becomes Scott Savol Central. ... Hometown pride has a lot to do with it. Many Savol fans say that while they like his vocal talent, spirituality and strong family ties, mostly it’s just fun to root for a Clevelander."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Scott Savol to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 01:06, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete WP:SINGLEEVENT, Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 03:38, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • WP:BLP1E says "We generally should avoid having an article on a person when each of three conditions is met". The first condition is "If reliable sources cover the person only in the context of a single event" and the second condition is "If that person otherwise remains, and is likely to remain, a low-profile individual." Savol is not covered "only in the context of a single event" and he did not "remain a low-profile individual".

      He was on the fourth season of American Idol which "premiered on January 18, 2005, and continued until May 25, 2005". He received received significant coverage afterwards in sources published in 2006, 2008, 2009, 2011, and 2016. A person who has received significant coverage for that long is not a low-profile individual.

      There is biographical coverage of him outside of his appearance on American Idol. There is coverage about his single "Upon a Christmas Night", his romantic ballad "I Do", his filming a television ad, his singing a national anthem at the Cleveland Browns Stadium for a Cleveland Browns football game, and his performing at his concert at the Shore Cultural Centre in Euclid, his trying out for the NBC television show The Voice, and his singing in the Cleveland wedding band The Avenue.

      Cunard (talk) 06:06, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep as per the multiple reliable sources identified by Cunard in this discussion that show together significant coverage for WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:47, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: My original nomination of this article was based on my interpretation of the criteria at WP:NSINGER. Reading the following - "Singers and musicians who are only notable for participating in a reality television series may be redirected to an article about the series, until they have demonstrated that they are independently notable." - it would be appropriate to redirect this article to appropriate season of American Idol, which is what I probably should have done in the first place. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:22, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I'm not seeing the song "I Do" mentioned in the above source excerpts, but I see where his single "Upon a Christmas Night" got coverage in The Plain Dealer, and I was able to find news coverage of "I Do" on my own, using ProQuest. --Jpcase (talk) 22:41, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per above. The person who loves reading (talk) 02:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. ✗plicit 01:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lindsey Cardinale[edit]

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Fails WP:NSINGER. Nothing notable aside from her last-place finish on American Idol (season 4). Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:26, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:

    People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.

    • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
    Sources

    1. Wirt, John (2007-08-10). "American Idol was invaluable experience for Cardinale". The Advocate. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.

      The article notes: "Lindsey Cardinale made the leap from fairs and festivals to American Idol. In 2005, the then 20-year-old singer from Pontchatoula was among the TV talent show's top 12 contestants. ... Post-American Idol, Cardinale continues performing at fairs and festivals in Louisiana and, when her band can make the trip, out of state. Having performed in public since childhood, she loves a big crowd. ... Cardinale is planning to appear in an independent film to be shot next year in Texas. She has an album in progress, produced by Carl Jackson ..."

    2. "Ponchatoula native working on new album". The Advocate. 2015-02-18. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.

      The article notes: "Cardinale, who has been singing since she was a young girl in Ponchatoula, placed 12th on Season 4 of “American Idol” and then watched as her roommate at the time, Carrie Underwood, finished first and skyrocketed to fame. She is still friends with the six-time Grammy Award-winning artist. Cardinale moved to Nashville and started performing at the city’s popular songwriters’ rounds, where her sultry voice, beauty and rugged sense of humor soon won over the locals. Before long, she was collaborating with other, more seasoned songwriters. ... Until recently, Cardinale divided her time between music and one of her other passions — horses and outdoor events. As an expert roper, she has won several competitions, including CMA Fest Celebrity Roping, the release said."

    3. Franklin, Mark (2009-11-21). "Lindsey Cardinale: School 1st, music 2nd, for now". The York Dispatch. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.

      The article notes: "Four years removed from her appearance as a finalist on American Idol, Lindsey Cardinale still hasn't released that debut album. She still hopes to, someday. But right now, she has another priority - finishing college. ... Now 24, Lindsey is a journalism major with a minor in songwriting at Middle Tennessee State. And she's just a semester shy of a spring graduation."

    4. Walker, Dave (2006-01-13). "Not Idle - Active local 'American Idol' alum offer advice for newcomers". The Times-Picayune/The New Orleans Advocate. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.

      The article notes: "Cardinale missed Hurricane Katrina because she was in Nashville, Tenn., working on a couple of tunes with a professional songwriter. Next step is securing representation in hopes of building a country-music career. A Southeastern Louisiana University student pre-"Idol," Cardinale has put her education on hold to pursue her career. ... In addition to some local broadcasting commercial work (including for Coca-Cola and Bill Hood Ford), Cardinale has continued to perform in public. The biggest show was in her hometown of Ponchatoula in late July."

    5. Bachman, Kara (2017-08-06). "Former North Shore reality stars dish about life in front of camera". The Times-Picayune/The New Orleans Advocate. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.

      The article notes: "Similar sentiments about the genre are expressed by country singer Lindsey Cardinale, of Ponchatoula. She made it through to the Top 12 on Season 4 of “American Idol.” ... Today, she still writes music and tours with her band. She thinks reality TV is here to stay."

    6. "How Lindsey Cardinale can win "American Idol"". Entertainment Weekly. 2005-03-14. Archived from the original on 2023-05-15. Retrieved 2023-05-15.

      The article notes: "What's Off Key: Since she arrived in Hollywood, Lindsey's performances have been so lethargic — and her song choices so uninspired — that she's gone from early front-runner to massive long shot. Clothes Call: Possesses a youthful beauty that requires a breezier, more playful wardrobe than we've seen in recent weeks. Oh, and Lindsey, teal is not your color."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Lindsey Cardinale to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 00:29, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep as per the multiple reliable sources identified in this discussion that together show significant coverage for a pass of WP:GNG in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:52, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: My original nomination of this article was based on my interpretation of the criteria at WP:NSINGER. Reading the following - "Singers and musicians who are only notable for participating in a reality television series may be redirected to an article about the series, until they have demonstrated that they are independently notable." - it would be appropriate to redirect this article to appropriate season of American Idol, which is what I probably should have done in the first place. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:21, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep In addition to the sources provided above, her singles show post-Idol notability. I've added an article from The Star Press as a source for her duet with Stephen Cochran. --Jpcase (talk) 22:18, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:39, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nixor College[edit]

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Passing mentions in news reports. Fails WP:SIGCOV. BookishReader (talk) 12:21, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: unless nominator is able to provide assurances that they have conducted in concentrated in print and/or local media. This is a weak nomination and should be opposed on the basis of WP:BEFORE, and the outcome of RfC on secondary school notability unless the above can be demonstrated Jack4576 (talk) 15:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:VAGUEWAVE. BookishReader (talk) 21:59, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
•DELETE- I did a search & no reliable sources come up. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 19:10, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Did you search local sources, including a reasonable search for local offline sources ? Jack4576 (talk) 08:14, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you are local then you basicaly have no true say & should not be editing the page because you have a WP:CONFLICT_OF_INTEREST. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 16:45, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Being a local to an area, makes someone conflicted for writing entries about subjects in one's own local area ?
That is manifestly absurd. Jack4576 (talk) 17:50, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: Fails GNG and ORG. Sources in the article are primary promo, keep vote provides no sources and multiple editors BEFORE showed nothing that meets SIGCOV from IS RS addressing the subject directly and indepth.  // Timothy :: talk  08:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:40, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

St. Patrick's Institute of Science & Technology[edit]

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Routine mentions in news reports. Fails WP:SIGCOV. BookishReader (talk) 12:24, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: unless nominator is able to provide assurances that they have conducted in concentrated in print and/or local media. This is a weak nomination and should be opposed on the basis of WP:BEFORE, and the outcome of RfC on secondary school notability unless the above can be demonstrated Jack4576 (talk) 15:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:VAGUEWAVE. BookishReader (talk) 21:57, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Pfft it is not WP:VAGUEWAVE that your stated reasoning for this AfD is lacking. The onus is on you to demonstrate that a search has been made for local sources, and that none have been located. We need something better than “I looked”. Explain your process
Additionally, for schools, routine mentions are fine. It is possible for schools to be nevertheless notable even if SIGCOV is not established. SIGCOV generates a presumption that a subject is notable, it is not a requirement for notability. Jack4576 (talk) 00:31, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Have you actually found any sources that would contribute to notability? LibStar (talk) 01:03, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Per the outcome of RfC on secondary school notability the onus is on the nominator to demonstrate efforts have been made. In the absence of that a Keep vote is appropriate. Jack4576 (talk) 08:11, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's further worth noting that a flood of AfDs following the addition of SO to the "arguments to avoid in AfDs" list is undesirable. Editors are asked to refrain from making indiscriminate or excessive nominations. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know how this can be defined as "flood of AfDs". I only nominated five articles today as I had some free time. If I do more then you can say that but currently this is perfectly normal. AfDs can run up to 28 days, so plenty of time for you to discover any coverage (if it exists). Maybe prove me wrong and find one in-depth article about this school? BookishReader (talk) 21:56, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The onus is on you to demonstrate you have complied with the outcome of RfC on secondary school notability Jack4576 (talk) 08:11, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • COMMENT Due to the recent temporary upheaval in political situation in Pakistan, internet services in Pakistan are TEMPORARILY SUSPENDED by the Pakistani government orders. Seems unfair that AfD Pakistan is flooded with new AfD nominations at this time because no Pakistani Wikipedia editors can participate until the internet services come back. Hopefully overseas Pakistanis and overseas people of Pakistani origin doing the DELETION NOMINATIONS right now on this AfD Forum are aware of it??? Ngrewal1 (talk) 18:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I'm aware of this. I'm doing my due diligence before bringing it here. BookishReader (talk) 21:58, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    You still have yet to explain your process/steps to arrive at your determination that no local sources exist Jack4576 (talk) 08:12, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I've used multiple search terms including St. Patrick’s Technical School used in this source. I just found two mere mentions: here and here. BookishReader (talk) 11:55, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete The RfC on secondary schools criteria have definitely been met here; there hasn't been a flood of AfD's, and I don't think there's any offline sources as I couldn't find any online sources that met WP:SIGCOV, and the school is a polytechnic (probably recieves more attention than a normal high school) in a large city. It's also in Pakistan, which tends to have a relatively good access to non-local online sources. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 06:42, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Nothing in gnews. I would reconsider if there is coverage in Urdu, but no such article exists. Fails WP:NSCHOOL. LibStar (talk) 07:13, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Fails GNG and ORG. Source eval:
Comments Source
Primary, fails IS 1. Christian Voice, Karachi. 17 January 2016.
Does not mention subject of article 2. ^ "Brother Norman Wray" (PDF). Archived from the original (PDF) on 2010-11-28.
Exam results 3. ^ Staff (16 May 2002). "Karachi: SBTE Exam Results". Dawn. Retrieved 17 November 2016.
Fails V, 404 4. ^ [dead link] "UCANews.com". Union of Catholic Asian News. 10 July 1990.
Fails V, 404 5. ^ [dead link] [1]. Pakistan Press International. 4 February 2006.
About another subject, coverage is "A recipient of an automotive technology degree from St. Patrick’s Technical School, he believed his English was top notch until " Fails SIGCOV 6. ^ Tate, Justin David (4 December 2013). "Pakistani Student Chases Auto Marketing reams". The Et Cetera (eastfieldews.com). Retrieve 17 November 2016.
Nothing found about subject 7. ^ The News February 2, 2008
Primary, fails IS 8. ^ Ali, G. and Ali, M. St. Patrick’s: A journey of 175 years. Archdiocese of Karachi, 2018.
Keep vote is an example of WP:SOURCESMAYEXIST, multiple BEFOREs (including Keep votes) showed nothing that meets SIGCOV from IS RS addressing the subject directly and indepth.  // Timothy :: talk  06:16, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:56, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sandal College Faisalabad[edit]

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Lacks any significant coverage, fails WP:GNG. BookishReader (talk) 12:26, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Weak Keep (see below): unless nominator is able to provide assurances that they have conducted in concentrated in print and/or local media. This is a weak nomination and should be opposed on the basis of WP:BEFORE, and the outcome of RfC on secondary school notability unless the above can be demonstrated Jack4576 (talk) 15:30, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As I said in another thread, I use multiple tools to research and I consider myself well-versed in whatever I do. I usually don't like to waste participants' time, but for your assurance - I'm posting the links of passing mentions below (keep in my mind, to pass WP:ORGDEPTH we need significant coverage - more than one paragraph at least three time per WP:THREE):
This is not a policy-based argument, so the closing admin should discount it. BookishReader (talk) 21:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, it is a policy based argument to request that you follow the outcome of RfC on secondary school notability
Secondly, those articles don't pass WP:ORGDEPTH, and SIGCOV.
But SIGCOV and ORGDEPTH are not requirements for notability, they merely, upon their satisfaction, give rise to a presumption of notability.
Based on the apparent size and location of this school, and the fact that its existence can be established from the links you have shared, which appear to be reliable, I am still satisfied that this subject meets general encyclopedia notability.
In that circumstance I think a weak keep is the most appropriate vote. Jack4576 (talk) 10:10, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Searches in Urdu only yielded trivial mentions (announcements of seminars, listed along with other schools, etc.). Honestly even if this AfD ended with keep, the problem with the sources of this article won't get resolved. As of the time of writing, no sufficient sources that can be used to improve the article have been found. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 06:20, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: Fails GNG and ORG. Source eval:
Comments Source
Nothing about subject, fails SIGCOV 1. "Corona claims two more lives in Faisalabad". The News International. 2020-12-08. Retrieved 2023-05-12.
Google search page 2. ^ https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk02uZ6SonbMXHZWWWHqyTCBPMVX9Cw:1588406278894&q=sandal+college+faisalabad&npsic=0&rflfq=1&rlha=0&rllag=31476975,73105272,301&tbm=lcl&ved=2ahUKEwjxvIzA2pTpAhVEKBoKHfziCe4QtgN6BAgKEAQ&tbs=lrf:!1m4!1u2!2m2!2m1!1e1!2m1!1e2!3sIAE,lf:1,lf_ui:2&rldoc=1#rlfi=hd:;si:;mv:[[31.487552545761293,73.12921946208496],[31.466397541227515,73.08132593791504],null,[31.47697564127402,73.1052727],15]
Primary 3. ^ "Sandal College Faisalabad". Sandalcollege.edu.pk. Retrieved 2016-06-08.
Primary 4. ^ "Sandal College Faisalabad". sandalcollege.edu.pk. Archived from the original on 2011-06-03.
Keep vote is an example of WP:SOURCESMAYEXIST, multiple BEFOREs (including Keep vote) showed nothing that meets SIGCOV from IS RS addressing the subject directly and indepth.  // Timothy :: talk  06:25, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. RL0919 (talk) 17:05, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew J. Newman[edit]

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Does not meet any of the criteria of WP:PROF. No indication his work is significant in his field, no major award or position, no prestigious position. This looks like a garden variety academic of no special note. Bonewah (talk) 14:30, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep meets WP:NACADEMIC criteria #1 as equivalent to a named chair at Edinburgh (holds two chairs in fact) Jack4576 (talk) 15:13, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I believe it's one chair, whose designated subject area is "Islamic Studies and Persian" (not one chair in "Islamic Studies" and another in "Persian", which would be weird). XOR'easter (talk) 14:44, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete WP:AUTHOR did not state published book counts, but rather notability of work, and this person has not published any notable work.
Hadal1337 (talk) 16:24, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I didnt actually put in my !vote. According to @Necrothesp: here and his bio at University of Edinburg, he holds person chairs, not named chairs (if there is a difference). Additionally, Hadal1337 is correct, WP:AUTHOR calls for his work to be "a significant or well-known work or collective body of work" in addition to that work being reviewed. Bonewah (talk) 17:04, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have struck your !vote, because like all other participants, nominators are not allowed to !vote twice (the nomination itself counts as a !vote). Anyway, you are looking at the wrong criterion. AUTHOR 4(c) merely states that the work has "won significant critical attention". The number of published reviews of three of his books is indeed significant critical attention, and also makes these individual books themselves notable works (even if we do not yet have separate articles about them). Additionally they give an obvious pass of WP:GNG: we have 22 in-depth reliably published and independent sources about the subject's scholarly work, which is exactly the sort of thing one would expect GNG-worthy sources about an academic to cover. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:22, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Well over the threshold to pass WP:AUTHOR (multiple scholarly reviews of multiple books is enough to indicate significance). XOR'easter (talk) 12:39, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Reasons:
  • Looking at Andrew J. Newman#References, I see three works with enough academic sources for the works to pass GNG. The reviews directly comment directly and indepth on the professional work of the subject.
  • They do hold an endowed chair at a major university. Under Wikipedia:Notability (academics)#Specific criteria notes, #5 "The person has held a named chair appointment or "Distinguished Professor" appointment at a major institution of higher education and research"
  • The number of reviews of their academic work in respected scholarly journals is an indication that Wikipedia:Notability (academics)#Specific criteria notes, #1 "The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources." or more weakly #4 "The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions.". There is no evidence their works are being used in higher education, but the reviews of the works indicate that it is certainly possible they are on many reading lists.
In this case there could be three separate articles on their works with bios of the author, or a bio of the author with sections for each of the works. I think the reader would be much better served by having one article covering the author focusing on their major works.  // Timothy :: talk  05:51, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:03, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sunset Grill (Canadian restaurant chain)[edit]

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Not notable- lack of significant media coverage. See Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). The only media coverage is press releases or trivial coverage, which does not establish notability. 747pilot (talk) 01:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree- a restaurant chain with over 80 franchise locations clearly meets Wikipedia’s notability threshold. A Google news search turns up plenty of references that aren’t just press releases. Bhousel (talk) 01:34, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bhousel:, I looked at the Google search and these are trivial mentions. Please read Examples of substantial coverage in Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). 747pilot (talk) 01:50, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I agree with @Bhousel: on this, because it is a chain restaurant with multiple locations. And while I don't agree with the nominator's delete nomination, Bhousel you would do well to find independent sourcing. Are there any newspaper mentions, or anything like that? If you go back to the AFD template at the top of the article, I find that if you click on any of the Find Sources, there are some online. I'm not sure if they're referring to the Canadian restaurant chain or a similar one in another country. But please give the search a try and enhance your sources. — Maile (talk) 02:03, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment Could someone please link some of these sources? Bhousel speaks of "plenty of references", however I did a quick Google search and I couldn't find anything. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 06:50, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure of you were referring to my comments above. However, go to the top of the article page itself. The box where you see the link to this talk page. Instead of clicking to this page, look at the very bottom of that template. There is this: Find sources: "Sunset Grill" Canadian restaurant chain – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR and has the links for you. The way it's set up, it would not let me copy and paste the links here. But you can access the links via the bottom of that template. — Maile (talk) 15:02, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    See WP:GNG. They are all trivial mentions and having more than 80 stores doesn't make it notable. 747pilot (talk) 16:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: there appear to be some hits on a ProQuest search for ""sunset grill" Canada", but I cannot access the articles to assess their relevance. Mindmatrix 17:28, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikipedia editors like User:Mindmatrix can quickly access Proquest through Wikipedia Library. For some Canadian papers, there are fully scanned versions of the Globe and Star available online at home through Proquest using their library card. Nfitz (talk) 20:11, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. ✗plicit 01:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Su Quanzhong[edit]

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PROD denied. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zhang Feng as this is nearly the same except for being about a different minor character in Fengshen Yanyi, including being written by the same blocked sock. UtherSRG (talk) 01:06, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@747pilot: See source below. Thanks 1.47.16.104 (talk) 04:05, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The Fengshen Yanyi is not a random work of fiction; it is one of the most significant works of Chinese literature, and it's perfectly reasonable that characters in it have pages of their own. He is appointed as the deity of Beidou Xinggong (Big Dipper, 北斗星宫), which is a star or a large asterism that really exists in real life see [10]. Don't compare with Zhang Feng. He is a minor character and was not appointed as a deity by Jiang Ziya in the end. Just as all the Journey to the West characters are notable in their own right, the Fengshen Yanyi characters can also be notable.
    The sources could be improved, and here are two suggestions for news articles in Chinese: [11] [12], as well as The Gods List (封神榜) or source that describes Su Quanzhong as "a deity." Liberty Times newspaper source states that Su Quanzhong is "a real god of Big Dipper". His father, Su Hu, is also worshiped as a deity widely in Taiwan as part of Chinese folk religion. You can see the Draft:Su Hu page that I recently created in draft. He is enshrined in some temples of his father. Fictional Marvel or DC characters are not worshiped as deities in the real world. The worship of these fictional characters from Fengshen Yanyi serves as a testament to the deep connection between literature, mythology, and the rich tapestry of Chinese folk religion. Moreover, his life and prominent battles were widely portrayed in Chinese opera and other forms of art; see Shanxi Local Opera Compilation - Volume 6 - Page 28 and Hunan Opera Traditional Scripts: Hunan Opera - Page 63. He has an entry in the Dictionary of Chinese Mythological Characters. While other stuff exists, Chinese works are as deserving of complete coverage as Western ones, and there shouldn't be a separate prominence threshold imposed on them beyond detailed coverage in Chinese reliable sources. 1.47.16.104 (talk) 03:01, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or Merge with Fengshen Yanyi. Doesn't hold up on it's own as it is right now. The IP editor above says a lot about Fengshen Yanyi but fails to provide any sources that would support this being an article on it's own. Dr vulpes (💬 • 📝) 04:43, 18 May 2023 (UTC) Keep Article sources have greatly improved from one poorly sourced reference to some really great work. Just a reminder this is why Draft space exists. Dr vulpes (💬 • 📝) 21:10, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    The IP editor seems to have provided eight independent sources about this mythical character. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 04:52, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What the hell? Ugh! Well said, American editor's tradition, as usual, on the Chinese related article. What is your problem? The character on its own satisfies the WP:GNG. IP edits do not mean the article is not notable. Why are you neglecting all the sources? What do you mean by saying 'but fails to provide any sources that would'? If you have eyes, you can easily verify my sources. And if you can't read Chinese, you can use Google translation tool on the web. I'm shocked that you are refusing to see the sources. I'm an expert in Chinese mythology and have created more Chinese myth articles than you have in your age. Pls note that he is a deity not your pet. "Dictionary of Chinese Mythological Characters" is a joke to you? Clearly WP:IDONTLIKEIT. 1.47.16.104 (talk) 05:34, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. We are glad to have experts, and I would invite you to read through WP:EXPERT if you haven't already. While I cannot verify your credentials, I feel it right to mention that invoking such merit does not guarantee notability. It does not justify an acrimonious response, either.
At any rate, I believe there has been a slight misreading of what Vulpes is saying. "any sources that would support this being an article on its own." It isn't that there are no sources, but rather that the sources you have provided don't suggest that Su Quanzhong needs his own article.
Despite the sources that you have brought up, some of which are only providing passing mentions and barely illuminate the character outside the shadow of Su Hu, it is both curious that they weren't in the article in the first place and that there is no Chinese (or any foreign) article on the subject. Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 16:22, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am going to deliver a slight clarification. There is no single article on Su Quanzhong to the best of my knowledge. I am aware of the article that mentions Su Quanzhong on the Chinese Wikipedia. It is very brief. The article also is quite lacking in citations. There is a Japanese version of this article, too. I would be much more in support of an article like this than one for every single character. We are also not beheld to folk religion. Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 16:51, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Maxxhiato: Well said! There are a few editors on both the English and Chinese Wikipedia platforms who specialize in mythology articles. However, many Chinese editors are not interested in folklore and mythology and are often reluctant to create articles on these topics. For instance, notable major deities such as Shiji Niangniang, Dapeng Jinchi Mingwang, Yunü, and Lishan Laomu have been missing from Chinese Wikipedia for a long time, with no one creating articles for them. However, when someone creates these articles on the English Wikipedia, the Chinese Wikipedia often copies them a month later. Therefore, the absence of an article on Chinese Wikipedia does not necessarily mean that the topic is not notable. I have noticed that many AfDs appear to lack fairness, as some articles are swiftly voted for deletion without thorough research or consideration of sources in other languages. This kind of behavior is unacceptable and can cause significant harm to Wikipedia, while also demotivating editors who are passionate about their respective fields. In my opinion, the essence of AfD lies in fostering discussions rather than relying solely on a voting poll. It is crucial to encourage open dialogue and a comprehensive examination of the subject matter before making any decisions. Check again you can now easily verify with quotes. Thanks 1.47.16.104 (talk) 21:33, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
One of the most frustrating things I have observed in my experience as a Wikipedia editor is that some editors seem to be quick to vote for the deletion of articles related to China without giving them proper consideration. This can be seen in the immediate 'delete' votes on articles at the Articles for Deletion (AfD) process. It is important for editors to approach these articles with an open mind and consider their significance and not dismiss them simply because they are related to China. 1.47.16.104 (talk) 22:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For instance, notable major deities such as Shiji Niangniang, Dapeng Jinchi Mingwang, Yunü, and Lishan Laomu have been missing from Chinese Wikipedia for a long time...Therefore, the absence of an article on Chinese Wikipedia does not necessarily mean that the topic is not notable.
This is a fair point. It wasn't a strike against notability so much as it was indicative of the lack of interest or sources, perhaps. Then again, there are articles that could exist but don't on any Wikipedia. Ultimately, I think the best approach would be to create a "list of characters" and make independent articles as necessary. Maxx-♥ talk and coffee ☕ 12:14, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Many of them are gods in the Taoist pantheon. 1.47.16.104 (talk) 18:28, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As a 10 year old editor, I've never seen fanny "instant delete voter" like you. According to your talk page, you are a problematic editor. So I free you. If you want to argue or refuse, decide pro-mannerly at the standard level. Please vote after analyzing the sources. Please do not give blind votes like an instant. 1.47.16.104 (talk) 05:41, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The article was deleted over 7 years ago. I requested to restore the article. Now, things are different from the past. The above sources are not mentioned in passing; they give enough paragraphs on the subject. If you are not satisfied with the above sources, there are many sources in Chinese language books beyond 'Fengshen Yanyi'. I am currently traveling, but if I have time, I will update here as soon as possible. 1.47.16.104 (talk) 06:01, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Since IP editor is traveling maybe if we don't hear back from them when this AfD comes to end we should think about giving them a short extension. And IP editor is you can point me towards some English sources I'm more then willing to help with the article if the sources would support that, just ping me on my talk page. Dr vulpes (💬 • 📝) 08:10, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. If the IP editor can improve it, that's great. A redirect in the meantime will be a perfectly acceptable WP:SOFTDEL alternative, or we could just tag this with {{sources exist}}. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:40, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have expanded the article and added reliable sources, significantly improving it with additional Chinese sources and quotes. Su Quanzhong is not just a folk character but can also be regarded as a historical figure of Jiaozuo, as evidenced by the existence of his tomb in Jiaozuo. It is worth noting that the members of the Su Family were not fictional characters, but rather consider as real historical figures. Su Hu and his son were royal ministers at King Zhou's court, while Su Daji served as queen consort. As a result, they are more notable than other characters from the Fengshen Bang mythology. Moreover, he is revered as a star deity in Chinese folk religion, which is more than just words. Many in the Western world may not fully appreciate the respect and awe that Chinese folk religion inspires. For example, Sun Wukong, Princess Iron Fan and Fan Lihua are fictional characters but is worshipped in the real world. Such traditions can only be found in India and China, where folk religion is a combination of both fiction and reality. While some in the Western world may view folk religion as strange or unintelligible, it should not be dismissed or denigrated in this way. See also Mandavi for India example and Zhao Gongming. 1.47.16.104 (talk) 21:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As an expert in Chinese mythology, I would like to support the fact that most of the characters from the novel are notable because they were appointed as gods in the end. It is important to note that China's main religions are folk religion and Taoism, and the worship of folk characters can be found in various villages where they are enshrined in temples. For instance, Nezha, a character from Fengshen Yanyi, is well-known by everyone. 1.47.16.104 (talk) 22:04, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for expanding. I think you are making a good case (and helping with the article), but what would help the most would be to show how this character meets WP:SIGCOV, which I'd summarize as "can you name two or more reliable sources which discuss this character in non-trivial way (i.e. go beyond the simple plot summary) and do it at non-trivial lenght (i.e. do so for more than a sentence or two)"? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:38, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am aware that you may have questions about the existence of the tomb, particularly regarding how a fictional character can have a real-world tomb. However, please carefully read the information provided above. According to beliefs during the Shang era, Su Hu and Su Quanzhong were considered real, not fictional like many others that were removed by you from the Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Fictional elements lists. To address any doubts, I have included an additional reference in the tomb section. The book Cultural Relics of Jiaozuo City (焦作市文物志), originally published by the University of California, is a reliable source. It states that According to the old county annals and folklore, this tomb is the burial site of Su Hu and Su Quanzhong, father and son who were renowned officials of the Yin Shang dynasty. After being forced to sacrifice Su Daji, they turned against Yin and sided with Zhou. They were killed in the subsequent war and buried here. The Xiaonanzhang Village Tomb is located in the northeast of Xiaonanzhang Village, 3 kilometers north of Wen County. In August 1968, a collection of 23 bronze wares was unearthed from a pit over half a meter deep. Please refrain from making assumptions based on Western perspectives. It is crucial to understand that Chinese beliefs and cultures differ significantly from those you may be familiar with in the Western ones. Additionally, it is worth noting that the characters from the Butterfly Lovers also have a real-world tomb see [13] and Sun Wukong has a tomb at Mount Huaguo, a human-making area. Please note that Hua Mulan is only mentioned in a poem. She is undoubtedly a fictional character, but her enduring existence in popular culture is a result of the oral and folk traditions that have evolved over time in the modern era, making her a significant figure in modern times. Please be aware that the article is not about a living person, but rather a figure from 3069 years ago. Information about this individual can only be found in the form of oral stories that have been recorded in books. Some paragraphs of this information may also be available in limited form on Google Books. "Fengshen Yanyi" is older than "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" and more significant. As a future reference, it is worth noting that approximately 80 percent of the characters from "Fengshen Yanyi" were integrated (or adopted) into the Taoist Pantheon as gods, deities, or immortals (xian). Well, he had a historical tomb and is worshipped as a deity in Taiwan, which goes beyond our notability criteria. How much more evidence do you need? I know that you are the "holy father of fictional article deletion," and I have learned many things from you in the past. I have never opposed you before, but I can't stand with you on this one. Please refrain from using AfD as a weapon. Thank you. 1.47.16.104 (talk) 17:40, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WP:HEY. The IP user has improved the article substantially and the subject seems to meet GNG. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 13:37, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The sources look fine, except for a few questionable online sources. Fengshen Yanyi is after all, one of the most important works in Chinese literature. Plus, we have articles for every single Water Margin character too, even though most of them would be considered minor characters. Mucube (talk • contribs) 17:17, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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