Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/South African A cricket team in India in 2019

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The result was no consensus. Barkeep49 (talk) 01:16, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

South African A cricket team in India in 2019[edit]

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Fails WP:SPORTSEVENT. International tournaments from two second tier teams are not notable. Ajf773 (talk) 12:35, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Help -At WP:SPORTSEVENT, I could see only 4 points: 1)Final series, 2)College bowl games, 3)All-star and 4)widely considered by independent reliable sources to be notable. I did not find a rule specifically about "International tournaments from two second tier teams are not notable". I am not a sports fan (apart from cricket) and first 3 points mentioned in WP:SPORTSEVENT are too amercianized (or westernized) for me too understand. Could someone help me to understand them. Regarding notability, the A-team series involving India gets a considerable coverage in India. Also WP:CRIN includes first-class cricket, list-a cricket and twenty 20 cricket. If A-team tournaments are to deleted then it should be applicable to all those in Category:A team cricket. Also how does this effect FC, List-A, non-league T20 tournamnets and women's cricket. I am more interested in understanding criteria so that I could give an opinion to discussion.Shubham389 (talk) 13:37, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 14:08, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. While the matches are FC/LA, they are by a team below the top international level. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:28, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Matches with first-class and List A status. The tour satisfies WP:GNG, with sufficient coverage and match reports in newspapers. India A matches generate more coverage and are of higher quality than domestic matches between teams like Mizoram and Sikkim. I was able to find coverage in South African sources too: [1] [2] [3]. Dee 03 11:30, 30 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ad Orientem (talk) 02:28, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. SNGs have been designed to screen off stuff like these so that we may not have to use GNG to make non-consistent calls. ∯WBG^converse 17:50, 10 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Which SNG states that A team tours are not notable? The only thing I find inconsistent here is delete votes like While the matches are FC/LA, they are by a team below the top international level. 2019–20 Duleep Trophy is also a FC status series by teams "below international level" but everyone would vote "keep" if that article was up for deletion. Dee 03 16:14, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The top international level being the first XI with this being the second XI. HawkAussie (talk) 08:07, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Then the Duleep Trophy tournament which I have linked above was contested by third XI, fourth XI and fifth XI (India Blue, India Red and India Green). I find it interesting that, according to some people, a second XI series is not notable whereas a tournament featuring those who could not make the cut into the second XI is. Dee 03 17:00, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep on the grounds that a) there are enough sources to suggest some notability; b) the SNG doesn't seem to cover this type of tour at all (there are so many issues with the ways in which WP:NCRIC is written) - WP:NSPORTS isn't particularly helpful either; c) if we went back to WP:NEVENT we'd delete nearly every international tour and domestic tournament other than those with a lasting significant (bodyline, some of the tours of SA etc...). There needs to be some discussion about NCRIC and the ways in which it deals with international tours - Id be reluctant to do anything very much with articles such as these until then given that there are clearly enough sources in place to show some level of notability. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:28, 13 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, Wikipedia is not a sports almanac. Stifle (talk) 16:43, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:01, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.