Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sam Granville (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:35, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Granville[edit]

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Non-league footabller who has never played higher than the fifth tier. No evidence of GNG being met; all sources are either primary or not significant coverage of the player (e.g. match reports where he is mentioned). Article was deleted last year for the same reason, but the recreation is not similar enough to apply WP:CSD#G4. Number 5 7 15:01, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and England. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:04, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sam Granville is a professional footballer who has signed a professional contract with barnet football club please see reference on the page. 16:08, 24 May 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HJackson77 (talk • contribs) Please advise what more needs to be done regarding this article. As far as I am aware every single sentence is referenced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HJackson77 (talk • contribs) 15:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I'll say it's disappointing to see an admin, of all people, create an article like this without addressing the reasons for deletion in the previous AfD. I've done my own searches and the best sources that I can find are Bridgwater Mercury (which may not even be about this particular 'Sam Granville' and Plymouth Herald, both being trivial coverage. The SFL reference is nowhere near good enough either. When assessing notability please also remember WP:SPORTBASIC: Team sites and governing sports bodies are not considered independent of their players. This rules out most of the sources cited. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:45, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @Spiderone: The creator is not an admin. They appear to have copied my userpage to create their own (after leaving this lovely message) and left the admin category in. I'll delete the category off their userpage now. Number 5 7 19:32, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What a charming message! People need to realise that there are other websites where people can post this sort of stuff and nobody has a God-given right to post whatever they want on here and not expect others to edit or delete it. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Spiderone: - neither of the first two sources you list is about this particular player -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:38, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I thought that the Plymouth Herald one had a reasonable chance of being about him since it mentioned that the game was against Beaconsfield. In any case, the coverage is so weak that it's hard to tell who Sam Granville is from searching online, which is exactly why he shouldn't have an article. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:41, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I misread it. Yes, that one is him, but it's the most cursory of passing mentions...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 22:04, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Plymouth herald source is. HJackson77 (talk) 08:51, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also tell me the difference between the sources in this article compared to the ones in the article for Reece Beckles-Richards HJackson77 (talk) 08:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Give me a chance to find alternative sources to the current ones please. If club websites and league websites are not good enough for some reason then I will attempt to put things right. Only trying to create a wikipedia page for a professional footballer who I know personally. HJackson77 (talk) 08:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You might want to familiarise yourself with WP:COISELF: "You should generally refrain from creating articles about yourself, or anyone you know, living or dead, unless through the Articles for Creation process. If you have a personal connection to a topic or person, you are advised to refrain from editing those articles directly". Number 5 7 09:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Spiderone's decision. CastJared (talk) 19:04, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above, but can I vote delete with a possible COI?? Govvy (talk) 23:11, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What COI do you have? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:56, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Spiderone: Hmm, I know the family, live in the same village, went to the same school! Didn't know he had an article on wiki know. :/ Govvy (talk) 23:07, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is the first time I've ever seen two disclosed COIs at a footballer AfD! Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:38, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:28, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The article has multiple sources, and has more info than a lot of other articles. Thomediter (talk) 21:56, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Note to closer that this appears to be a revenge !vote from an editor who I am currently having a dispute with. Number 5 7 22:40, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article fails WP:GNG per above source analysis. Jogurney (talk) 13:04, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.