Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/R. Anthony Hyman

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The result was keep‎. RL0919 (talk) 17:14, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

R. Anthony Hyman[edit]

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Not a notable person. An internet search and Google Scholar search reveals that this man does not satisfy the requirements of WP:GNG or WP:SIGCOV. Hadal1337 (talk) 16:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Computing, and United Kingdom. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:44, 18 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep under WP:AUTHOR, item 3: "work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews". There are multiple reviews in academic journals and magazines. E.g., with a simple Google search:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/002072098302000329
https://epubs.siam.org/doi/10.1137/1025100
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg12416853-900-messing-around-on-the-river-review-of-science-and-reform-selected-works-of-charles-babbage-edited-by-anthony-hyman/
https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.5555/66998

I suspect there are more. --Jonathan Bowen (talk) 08:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1) Links 1 and 2 both refer to the book Pioneer of the Computer (both locked behind a paywall nonetheless). The said book has a total of 3 reviews on Amazon, which I think we can agree, is not a "well-known work".

2) Links 3 and 4 refer to the book Science and Reform: Selected Works of Charles Babbage. The said book has a total of 3 reviews on Goodreads, again, not a "well-known work".

Therefore, not notable. Hadal1337 (talk) 09:05, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reviews for the purpose of NAUTHOR refers to academic reviews, not some joe-schmo reviewing a book on Amazon. Curbon7 (talk) 12:34, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

According to item 3 "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work." My point of pointing out reviews is that he has not created any significant or well-known work. Anyone can publish a book, well known means that people actually read your book and comment on it. Also, there are no mentions of reviews referring to "academic reviews" on WP:AUTHOR, therefore my point still stands. Hadal1337 (talk) 15:06, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's not how that works. We do not assess whether a book is significant in its field using Amazon reviews, which would be an absolutely ludicrous method. We assess significance based on whether other subject-matter experts consider the book to be significant, which is what critical academic reviews as linked above substantiate. Curbon7 (talk) 15:18, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Amazon and Goodreads are unreliable. XOR'easter (talk) 18:23, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Specifically see WP:AMAZON and WP:GOODREADS. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:42, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Curbon7 (talk) 12:35, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Appears to be a WP:NAUTHOR-pass based on my comment above and the academic reviews found by Jpbowen. Curbon7 (talk) 12:38, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep by virtue of passing WP:AUTHOR: multiple reviews for multiple books. XOR'easter (talk) 15:44, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:AUTHOR as above. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:15, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep given the book reviews. DFlhb (talk) 18:12, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:AUTHOR. The person who loves reading (talk) 02:01, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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