Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario candidates in the 2003 Ontario provincial election

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Barkeep49 (talk) 17:19, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario candidates in the 2003 Ontario provincial election[edit]

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2003 Ontario general election is more than sufficient. Winners presumably have their own articles, and also-rans don't usually merit this level of detail. Lots more where this came from, but let's start with one. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:27, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The by-election mentioned at the bottom is redlinked. Should an article be made about it, and the relevant information be split there? Delete the rest, as Wikipedia normally doesn't write in such length about losing candidates. It's not referenced either. Geschichte (talk) 09:42, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The article should be kept, but not in its current form. This is one of several candidate list articles, and it was created at a time when this degree of biographical detail wasn't seen as problematic. Standards have changed since then, and this article hasn't yet been updated. A revised page (which I'm going to start developing in a moment) covering the names, electoral districts, vote totals, and some other (limited) information would still be relevant/consistent with Wikipedia's current standards. CJCurrie (talk) 01:42, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Update: I've revised the page in accordance with current standards. It's actually *too* sparse at present, I suspect, but that's something that can be addressed at a later time. For now, I'll reiterate that the page itself should be kept. CJCurrie (talk) 05:11, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is already covered at 2003 Ontario general election#Riding results, and byelections after 2003 are outside the scope of this article. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:24, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the information is already covered on the general election article, some isn't. (The information in the "occupation" column, for instance, is unique to this page. This data has yet to be filled in for most candidates, I realize; such is the primary reason why I described the page as unduly sparse at present. I'll reiterate that this information can be filled in at a later time.)

Candidate list pages also permit comparative readings of data that general election pages do not (e.g., a listing of candidates by percentage of votes received).

I'll add that it's standard practice for general election pages to list subsequent by-elections; the article currently under discussion follows this precedent. CJCurrie (talk) 06:05, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why do you believe candidates' previous occupations are worth noting? Also, this isn't a general election page, so the precedent doesn't apply. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:58, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The occupations of candidates at the time of a campaign are generally considered to be relevant for election researchers. I've read many social science articles over the years that process this sort of data to determine where a party's primary support base lies. (If half a party's candidates are lawyers, that implies one thing. If half are farmers, it implies another.)

I'm still puzzled by your opposition to the inclusion of by-election candidates, and, in any case, it's neither here nor there in relation to the afd. CJCurrie (talk) 04:01, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Occupations may be of interest to researchers, which would be enough for a single general article, e.g. Effect of a candidate's occupation on voters, but not for inclusion on large numbers of lists. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:24, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We seem to be talking somewhat in circles ... in any case, I'm not claiming the occupation column contains the *only* salient information in the article. Frankly, I'd think the function for arranging the candidate entries by percentages or total votes should be sufficient to justify the page. CJCurrie (talk) 05:08, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 10:18, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 10:18, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 10:18, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Duplicates 2003_Ontario_general_election#Riding_results. Reywas92^Talk 03:36, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with this. The data is the same; the supplementary information is not. CJCurrie (talk) 04:02, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. CJCurrie (talk) 04:11, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 13:24, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete non notable --Devokewater (talk) 20:25, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 11:34, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. These articles have been useful in the past, and if IIRC have survived previous AfD outcomes. -- Earl Andrew - talk 14:36, 7 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Examples? I don't recall any comparable Afd's. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:51, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No independent notability outside 2003 Ontario general election#Riding_results

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist; a little unclear to me why a merger of two substantively similar articles isn't being considered.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Vanamonde (Talk) 20:07, 11 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Other than related Canadian party lists (which I plan to nominate for deletion once this is settled), what other election articles specify occupation, rank and notes? Random counterexamples: 2000 United States House of Representatives elections, 1991 Tamil Nadu Legislative Assembly election, 1947 Brazilian legislative election. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:06, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Article meets WP:CLN / WP:AOAL as a useful navigation list. If this one was to be merged, others lists of candidates would and this would overwhelm the merge target. // Timothy :: talk 05:49, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, it would indeed overwhelm the merge target if this was merged, so I think it is fine to delete it, anybody who wants this list should be able to find it in the references of the suggested merge target. Also voting delete since Earl Andrew hasn't replied. --Ysangkok (talk) 00:19, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.