Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/One World (TV series)

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The result was keep‎. Star Mississippi 18:54, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One World (TV series)[edit]

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Non notable work. --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:58, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and United States of America. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:51, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- commentI was able to find thishttps://culturecrossfire.com/movies-tv/remembering-tnbc/
Cray04 (talk) 11:52, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Keep. No coverage immediately evident on Newspapers Extended during the aired time period, but ~~maybe others can find something?~~ now Cunard has found several good sources! Cheers! BBQboffin^{grill me} 03:45, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (obviously as the creator of the article) I should've known that Jax 0677, would AfD the article, after previously adding maintenance tags, shortly after the article was active (all within a 24-hour period, mind you), I'm guessing the article was previously prodded without pushback. I definitely remember the article did not have any references prior to its deletion, well it does now. One World was never popular in the same realm as Saved by the Bell, so finding third party online active references that discusses the show alone will be difficult, especially for a show that is 25 years old. I don't remember TV show articles being deleted on Wikpedia for being a "non notable work". The show lasted three seasons with 39 episodes and aired on a major network, that's a lot more than many shows that were canceled with less seasons and episodes. I'll try my best to find more references to add the article.

QuasyBoy (talk) 08:04, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@QuasyBoy, they don't need to be active per se. If you come across a link that's not active, you go to Wayback Machine and see if it's worth using. Doing a quick search, all that comes up is IMDb, Movie Database, Rotten Tomatoes, TV Guide, and where to watch it. Just because it was aimed at the same demographic as Saved by the Bell is irrelevant. A lot of shows aimed at the same demographic weren't as popular as Saved by the Bell. It's about verifiability as you know. What you should have done is had this article in draftspace or your sandbox and worked on it there. After such time, you would submit it for approval. In fact that's where it should be now. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 05:25, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @QuasyBoy: there's nothing wrong with adding maintenance tags to an article if the tags are warranted, which they are in this case. The articles does need more inline citations, and the article may not meet the notability guidelines. Criticising someone for tagging the article is not helping your case. Your list of references that are not formatted as inline citations are not very helpful. If you'd like to try and save the article, formatting them as inline citations regarding what they back up would be a good place to start. I've removed one source that was a clear WP:REFBOMB. See this edit: [1] Sources that "don't even namecheck the subject at all, but are present solely to verify a fact that's entirely tangential to the topic's own notability or lack thereof", cannot be used to establish notability.

I really empathise with you wanting an article on this subject. I hope you find better sources that demonstrate notability. Damien Linnane (talk) 11:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I decided to try and format the remaining four sources as inline citations for you. One only verified the show was on the TNBC Saturday morning lineup, and another only states it was not popular with children in grades one to six. One was another REFBOMB that didn't mention the subject, so naturally I got rid of that. Regarding the final source: you cited pages 139 and 156 of the book, but I'm not seeing matches for "One World" for either of those pages in Google Books preview: [2]. Please specify what those pages reference in the article, otherwise we'll need to get rid of that one as well, even if the article is not deleted. Damien Linnane (talk) 11:41, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say that adding maintenance tags was a bad thing, I am well aware that they are of common practice on Wikipedia. My issue is Jax 0677 adding those tags and then hours later adding the AfD tag, as if to get more attention to the article (I forgot to mention that he started the redirect link, before I removed it, then with me adding content). But I do welcome your edits to the article, anything to make it better. QuasyBoy (talk) 16:15, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're definitely not wrong that "finding third party online active references that discusses the show alone will be difficult, especially for a show that is 25 years old". This is, however, an unfortunate reality in general. I don't write a lot about TV shows, but I've written a decent amount of video game articles and for example it's much more time consuming to establish notability for lesser-known pre-internet era games. Have you considered searching through the Internet Archives magazine rack? Or any sort of equivalent (if one exists)? If the show ran for three seasons enough material should have been printed about it to establish notability. This, however, unfortunately doesn't change the fact that if you can't find it, the article shouldn't stay in it's current format. If it looks like this will be deleted it might be an idea to transfer it back to draft space so give yourself more time to find sources. Damien Linnane (talk) 01:59, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the suggestion on the website. I'll look into it. QuasyBoy (talk) 08:28, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify per @Mrc. Think theres something here. But not in its current state, wit WP requirements Cray04 (talk) 11:55, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Drafitify: It should be in draftspace or the QuasyBoy's sandbox where it can be worked on ie: finding references and improving notability which are the cruxes. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 05:28, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have since added an awards and nominations section. With the show being nominated and winning a few awards, how much more notable can you get? QuasyBoy (talk) 06:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It could obviously get a hell of a lot more notable. The sources you have found are not impressive. I very much don't think "Culture Crossfire" meets WP:RS, and if this article is kept I think I'll be taking that source to WP:RSN myself to see how acceptable they think it is there. I'll be surprised if they don't reach a consensus to get rid of it.

That being said, purely due to the awards and the sources for them (which again are nothing to be write home about; one is just a PR release, though they are both acceptable IMO), I'm inclined to vote this as a weak keep at present. @Mr. C.C.: what are your thoughts now considering the awards and the sources for them? Damien Linnane (talk) 10:49, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Damien Linnane, @BBQboffin stated it perfectly below. I'm in agreeance. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 06:51, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's no sources showing the TV series was nominated for or won any awards; instead individual actors who acted on the show won them. And these are not major awards like Emmys, they are from one Hollywood magazine which apparently issued them from 1995-2000 and then stopped. BBQboffin^{grill me} 22:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So the TV series itself needs to win awards or be nominated to be considered "notable" now? It not enough that the actors were recoginized for their performances on the show? The Emmys is not the be all end all in terms of TV show award recognition, as minor as the YoungStar Awards were. If we are just deleting TV show articles based on non-notability and lack of satisfactory references, I can name plenty of TV show articles that should be deleted on Wikipedia right now. Apparently airing for three seasons, 39 episodes and on major network is not enough to be "notable". QuasyBoy (talk) 07:47, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if there's a specific guideline on this, i.e. whether a notable award for acting on a show confers notability for the show itself. Obviously the show itself winning or even being nominated would be much more notable (though it never was). And obviously it would be much more ideal if it was a more prestigious award, but the YoungStar Awards are notable nonetheless, and if someone wins a notable award for acting on a show, I think that should at least count for something. I must stress I would strongly prefer to see more sources in the article as the current sourcing is not ideal, but in the absence of being shown a guideline or strong precedent saying awards for acting on a show do not confer notability for the show itself, it's still a weak keep from me. QuasyBoy is not wrong that there are indeed many articles on even less notable shows that have yet to be deleted, however, this should have no bearing on this discussion as per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Damien Linnane (talk) 09:54, 26 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to TNBC#History with the current plot logline As is the article is anemic, but I do feel it needs to go somewhere, with a draft article in that space and a re-appraisal over time. The big problem with these types of 'under the radar' shows after the Children's Television Act went into effect is that they were by design under the radar and lacked sources wholesale outside of 'star' series like The Weird Al Show and Saved by the Bell for all of its various classes post the original series. Nate • (chatter) 22:09, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. MrSchimpf's comment got me thinking, and this New York Times article while a brief mention, may be just enough to source a line about the show being part of an attempt to comply with the CTA; you even have a quote from Engel talking about how hard the shows are to produce and how they are relatively unpopular. I think that's (barely) enough real world mention to support the article. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 23:13, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. Even though it's only a short mention, this is a great source Xymmax, and it fits in well with the sentence on popularity that was already there; thanks for finding it. I've just integrated the source into the article. Sourcing could still be a hell of lot better of course, but this drags things a little further across the threshold for me at least. I'm bolding my vote here so it's easier to see by the closer. Damien Linnane (talk) 01:19, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Final relist, option that have been mentioned have been Deletion, Keeping, Draftifying and Redirection. Maybe one final relist will keep this from being closed as a No consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:40, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I have no objection to redirect to TNBC with history, or draftify. --Jax 0677 (talk) 02:05, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no objection to either of those as well. BBQboffin^{grill me} 02:40, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify and redirect to TNBC#History: Best of both worlds. Redirect will keep the blue link, and draftify will provide the time and space to improve. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:37, 8 January 2024 (UTC) [reply]
Keep: per Cunard below - UtherSRG (talk) 16:25, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Li, Alice (1999-01-06). "'One World' Is Exception to Trite Teen Comedies". The Plain Dealer. Archived from the original on 2024-01-11. Retrieved 2024-01-11.
  The review notes: "However, "One World," (11 a.m., WKYC Channel 3) created by Robert Tarlow and produced by Peter Engel Productions in association with NBC Enterprises, manages to escape a similar fate – by a hair's breadth. The recently debuted half-hour comedy involves a complicated foster family and its trials and tribulations. The opening, which has the "family" collectively spray-painting the name "One World," indicates the show's desire to appear "fresh." This effect is questionable, because of how well all the members seem to get along despite their different races, cultures and backgrounds. The "beautiful people" syndrome persists. "One World's" scripts are cleverly written. Each line brings subtle humor. What a shame some are missed, because of some actor's occasional inability to carry them out."
2. Spreier, Jeanne (1998-09-27). "CBS spruces up Saturday mornings". The Dallas Morning News. Archived from the original on 2024-01-11. Retrieved 2024-01-11.
  The article notes: "On Saturdays, KXAS-TV (Channel 5) is sticking with Hang Time, City Guys and this year adding the new One World (all rated TV-Y7). The new show, promoted as a family comedy, centers on a white couple who have adopted a house full of racially diverse teens. The opportunity for easy humor is rife, and the show's writers abuse the potential. Sui, for instance, tries to make conversation with her new teen sister, Jane: "Have a boyfriend?" she asks. "Give me an hour," Jane snaps back. Weak, weak, weak. One World just doesn't work as a family comedy - the dialogue and scenes are too sophomoric. And the sassy conversation makes it inappropriate for preteens - not as true of NBC's other Saturday morning shows."
3. "Tune in: One World". New York Daily News. 1998-09-20. Archived from the original on 2024-01-11. Retrieved 2024-01-11 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes: "The Blake family won't be compared to the Brady Bunch, or even to the "Eight Is Enough" clan, for they are truly unique a kind of mini-subset of our society. "One World" is Peter Engel's ("Saved by the Bell) first family comedy series, and it is mainly about relationships and how to get along with each other. It focuses on a household with six teens of various ethnic and racial backgrounds who are adopted by ex-baseball player Dave Blake and his artist wife, Karen. Living under the same roof, these teens find out they are similar to other families, but most important, they learn acceptance and respect for each other's differences, and they learn the meaning of family love."
4. Wayne, Renee Lucas (1998-09-18). "Big fat close-up". Philadelphia Daily News. Archived from the original on 2024-01-11. Retrieved 2024-01-11 – via Newspapers.com.
  The interview notes: "Although One World - NBC's newest half-hour comedy in the Saturday morning Teen NBC lineup - explores the challenges of belonging to a big family, it's not your average Brady Bunch roundup.Those who populate the fictional Blake household at 10:30 a.m., are a multicultural posse of six foster teens from rough circumstances who, together, learn the meaning of family and a place called "home." As a streetwise kid named Neal, West Philly native Harvey Silver not only plays the role but lived it. Placed in foster care at the age of 4 - he's lived at the Carson Valley School in Flourtown and at Southern Home Services in South Philly - the 22-year-old actor brings to the character not just talent, but experience.'
5. "'One World' top show with teens". Orlando Sentinel. 1998-12-20. Archived from the original on 2024-01-11. Retrieved 2024-01-11 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes: "NBC's One World has won rave reviews from critics and teens alike for its timely topics and colorful characters. In this episode, Marci (Alisa Reyes) mistakenly believes she got her new job as assistant manager only because she is Cuban."
6. Ith, Ian (1998-09-20). "Entertainment - Bellevue Twins Are Acting Up in Hollywood". The Seattle Times. Archived from the original on 2024-01-11. Retrieved 2024-01-11.
  The article notes: "Bryan Kirkwood is on the airwaves Saturdays at 3:30 p.m. in his role as Ben, the musician big brother of a multi-racial family in "One World" on NBC (KING-TV). The plot: A well-to-do California couple adopts a gaggle of kids, all of varying ethnic and racial backgrounds. Of course, regular-family hijinks ensue, combined with 30-minute solutions to bigger social questions. "It's kind of like a Brady Bunch of mixed ethnicity," Bryan says. "The cool thing is they don't do the stereotypical stuff at all. I'm kind of like the stud with a sensitive side.""
7. Harris, Lee (1998-09-06). "Lampooning golf punks; Disney spins out a new 'Charlotte's Web; Woo is back; 'One World' for all". Los Angeles Times. Archived from the original on 2024-01-11. Retrieved 2024-01-11.
  The article notes: "Six racially diverse teenagers are living together with their adoptive parents in One World (NBC, Saturday at 9 a.m.). In the series debut, the Blake family prepares for the arrival of the newest member, Jane (Arroyn Lloyd), a rebellious teen who has spent her life in foster homes. For ages 13-16."
8. "Drama Choice". Daily Record. 2001-02-05. Archived from the original on 2024-01-11. Retrieved 2024-01-11.
  The article notes: "One World ... You may think this is based on Woody Allen and Mia Farrow's life, but I couldn't possibly comment"
9. Rice, Lynette (1998-03-31). "'One World' joins NBC's Sat. family". The Hollywood Reporter. Vol. 351, no. 47. p. 150. ProQuest 2393598048.
  The article notes: "NBC will bolster its Saturday teen programming block with "One World," a half-hour comedy about six racially diverse teens who five with their adoptive parents. Bowing Sept. 12, "One World" will mark NBC's first Sat urday morning foray into family-skewing comedy."
10. TV Guide: Guide to TV. New York: TV Guide. 2005. p. 513. ISBN 0-7607-7572-9. Retrieved 2024-01-11 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes that One World aired on NBC between September 1998 and January 2001 and episodes were 30 minutes long. The book notes: "Ben Blake: Bryan Kirkwood; Jane Blake: Arroyn Lloyd; Neal Smith: Harvey Silver; Marci Blake: Alisa Reyes; Sui Blake: Michelle Krusiec; Cray Blake: Brandon Baker; Dave Blake: Michael Toland; Karen Blake: Elizabeth Morehead. A Saturday-morning kids show about a Florida family with six foster children who come from different backgrounds."
11. Terrace, Vincent (2007). Encyclopedia of Television Subjects, Themes and Settings. Jefferson, North Carolina: McFarland & Company. ISBN 978-0-7864-2498-6. Retrieved 2024-01-11 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "Blake are a childless couple who are the adoptive parents of five children on NBC's One World: Jane (Arroyn Lloyd), Ben (Bryan Kirkwood), Marcie (Alisa Reyes), Sue (Michelle Krusiec) and Neil (Harvey Silver)." The book also notes: "Sue Blake (Michelle Krusiec) is the adopted Oriental daughtter of Karen and Dave Blake , a 16-year-old South Beach High School girl becoming a member of the Women's Olympic Soccer Team on NBC's One World." There likely is more information, but it is hard to find through the Google snippet view.
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow One World to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 08:36, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, you nailed it! Changing my !vote to keep. BBQboffin^{grill me} 16:16, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amazing!!!, Thank you Cunard. QuasyBoy (talk) 07:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cunard, I have added these sources to the article just now, as a teen myself. Yours sincerely, TechGeek105 (his talk page) 22:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Cunard's sources, well done. Toughpigs (talk) 02:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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