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Okay, joke's over on Muppet Wiki

You've had your fun, now it's time to stop being silly and lift this silly indefintie block you have on me over on the Muppet Wiki, what makes it silly is the reason "'.". I can tell why you're not a school principal, you'd probably expel every student for a reason like that. Now before you deny it stating that I'd just post nonsense, or unrelated information there, I won't, in fact when I discoveed the block I was just about to post a related bit of information on the Monty Python page, I'm not telling you what it is you'll have to wait and see. --AKR619 (talk) 06:57, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

You seem familar?

• Do you have Cloverfield wikia site? cause you looke very familar.  Demon Hunter Rules  (—|—) 17:01, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Benedict Cumberbatch lead

Hello! I have just an immediate concern about Cumberbatch's page. Its leading paragraphs were changed and it indicated that "his parents were actors". I am just alarmed by this sentence as his parents are not dead nor are they retired from acting. There are a lot of sources to support this. I also think that the first paragraph is poorly written and the previous version is better as it lists everything from theatre to radio that made him notable and worthy of a Wikipedia page. I do think that's the purpose of the lead paragraph so that's why I am sending you this request. Thank you very much and I hope you can make changes immediately to lessen misinformation. Thank you again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.67.82.39 (talk) 19:44, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Why Toughpigs?

Hello,

I just noticed your edit on the Make America Great Again (MAGA) article. I like pigs a lot! I was wondering if you do too, since your user name is Toughpigs. If you have a chance, please tell me why your user name is Toughpigs? Thank you for your work for Wikimedia Foundation. OINK!--FeralOink (talk) 03:32, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi FeralOink: My user name is based on ToughPigs, a Muppet fan website that I created back in 2001; the "pigs" refers to Miss Piggy. :) -- -- Danny (talk) 16:49, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Why is there something? article ; Keep or Delete?

Hi Danny please could you review Why is there something rather than nothing?, and give a 'Keep' or otherwise view? All best User:JCJC777

Thanks for the clarification on Jimbo re: Turkey

Hi Mr. Pig,

Yes, it's probably best to say Jimbo doesn't really have the authority to 'censor' us Wikipedians for Turkey's sake, and thank God for that. Still, most non-Wikipedians probably would prefer to exist in the "blissful fiction" that Jimbo would have such an authority. Obviously the Turkey article is no place to be explaining that small "administrative detail" to the public.

Still, most Wikipedians live in the "blissful fiction" that our little "encyclopedia editors paradise" is somehow ultimately self-supporting. In reality, it only exists due to much difficult, careful, and costly legal, technical, and social engineering work done by people like Jimbo behind the scenes. All of the many forces that have fortunately aligned themselves to enable you and I to talk about this here, are mind-boggling. I count myself very privileged to be a part of what was originally just Jimbo's little experiment here. If you go way way back to some of the very earliest versions of Wikipedia, you will see Jimbo patiently encouraging custom bead sales people, of all things, to please give us articles describing their wonderful homemade custom beads, in Wikipedia! No shit!!

I see you've been around since '05, and I salute you for your sticktuitiveness for all of these years!

I came in '04 and things have changed much since then, I'm sure you'll agree.

Don't know why I went off on this tangent, thanks for your edits.

Scott P. (talk) 22:04, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Ha, I'd never heard about the custom beads before; that's funny. So many things have changed since then... :) Thanks for your note. -- -- Danny (talk) 23:20, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Your signature

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Anomalocaris, thank you for the helpful message! I updated my signature. -- Danny (talk) 18:24, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! —Anomalocaris (talk) 19:52, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

It's Only a Game

Toughpigs!

Kindly review the post I just made on Talk:It's Only a Game, and consider adjusting your recent edit appropriately. Thanks! --Nat Gertler (talk) 22:22, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Disney comics

Hello Toughpigs!

I would like to say that your many new additions to all kind of different Disney topics have been splendid, very good work! I just skimmed through the one about the Silly Symphony (comic strip), I did at one point in time start writing on the same topic, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Silly_Symphonies_(comic_strip) However one thing I noticed is the title of your new article about the matter, it currently is "Silly Symphony (comic strip)" but it ought to be "Silly Symphonies (comic strip)", in plural. Would you be able to make that correction? I am not that good at more advanced wiki stuff yet so I would not know how that would be done. Reference for the title: https://inducks.org/comp.php?mode=6&c=ZS+

Also I do have another article draft started with some sources for the Brer rabbit strip with some refs I found, just so you could use these if you feel inclined and already had been thinking of writing that artcle. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Uncle_Remus_and_His_Tales_of_Br%27er_Rabbit_(comic_strip)

At last and which can not be stated enough, great additions of yours to Disney comic wiki, it has certainly filled an important gap in the encyclopedia!

Oh, thank you! I've been annoyed by the Disney comics coverage for a long time, and I finally decided I should do something about it. :) I see that you've added a lot about the reprint collections, thank you for that too! And thanks for the Uncle Remus sources, I'm planning to work on that today.

For the Silly Symphony title -- the strip started out as Silly Symphonies on January 10, 1932, but the title changed to Silly Symphony a month later, on February 18, and it stayed that way for the rest of the run. You can see the new title here, on a 1934 strip: https://inducks.org/story.php?c=ZS+3404

Thanks, I'm glad to be working with you on Wikipedia. :) -- Toughpigs (talk) 15:44, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Big thanks especially for the clarification (and/or reminder) of the title that I did mix up, I guess since there are many subordinate titles to the Silly Symphony run I have always considered the whole strip as Silly Symphonies due to it including several titles under it main name. But as you just refered to and what is correct, the major part of the run it was titled Silly Symphony. Maybe a note on that would be in place in the article, that the strip started out as Silly Symphonies to later be retitled just Silly Symphony. What do you think?

It's already there, look at the third paragraph. :) -- Toughpigs (talk) 17:29, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Check my new edit, it shows what I was thinking of; stated already in the first paragraph in order to convey to readers that the both title names are indeed the same one, as fast as possible. Even better when catering to readers looking up the topic I think, do you agree? :)

Oh, good idea, well done. -- Toughpigs (talk) 17:58, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Copying within Wikipedia

Hi Toughpigs! Please remember to provide attribution when copying content between Wikipedia articles (as in from Uncle Scrooge). Thanks! Crow^Caw 17:19, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Crow: Thanks for the reminder. I'm embarrassed to say that I don't actually know the convention for that. Should it be in the edit summary? -- Toughpigs (talk) 17:22, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

• Yep that is the minimal (and easiest) way. See the null edit I made to Disney comics. When adding the content, a summary like Content copied from [[Article name]], which see for attribution is generally sufficient. I do see that some of the copying was content you originally created in the other article. In those cases technically you don't have to attribute, but it would still be appreciated by we who track down the bot reports, as it would speed up the analysis. Thanks! Crow^Caw 17:25, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Crow: Great, thanks for the explanation! I'll do that from now on. I appreciate the heads up. -- Toughpigs (talk) 18:08, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Re:Thingmaker

Here's the web sources for that banned and recalled Mattel toy: [1] & [2]. Luigi1090 (talk) 20:04, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Comics

I see you're adding the same reference to multiple articles. Since this is unusual, might I ask what connection you may have to this book?

Also, Wikipedia Manual of Style states we place no footnotes in the lead for things that can be cited elsewhere. In this case (please see the example at Bee-Man), your additions should not be as lead footnotes but as a bullet item under "Further reading".--Tenebrae (talk) 14:50, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

No connection, I just own the book and realized it was a good reference for some articles that don't have any. If that's unusual, then that's a shame; it's a good way to increase the number of references on Wikipedia. :) Thanks for telling me about footnotes in the lead -- I'll check out my recent contributions and follow that guideline in future. -- Toughpigs (talk) 14:53, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

All good. If you could just place the cite under "FR," that would be great. Except for List of Quality Comics characters and Tootsie Roll, where it does indeed belong as a footnote. --Tenebrae (talk) 14:55, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Quick style note: Per MOS, we spell out state names in all cases. If you could, please change the field from "location=Philadelphia, PA" to "location=Philadelphia, Pennsylvania". Thanks — it'll save other editors work fixing it. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:44, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Okay, done. Thanks! -- Toughpigs (talk) 15:56, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Article titles

RE: My reverting the article to its status quo, Black Owl: You might not have realized that per Manual of Style we don't include the indefinite article "The" in character names. Thus, it's Joker (character), not "The Joker", and Hulk, not "The Hulk." Also, unless it's purely a technical change, we don't move articles without gaining consensus on the talk page first. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:51, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Tenebrae: Okay, thanks for the correction. -- Toughpigs (talk) 02:20, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Your deprods of The Avengers characters

Please note that a source about the show is not sufficient to keep a character. Of course, we can go to AfD. I invite you to present any in depth source about the first in the series that we may need to discuss, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Father (The Avengers). TIA. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 20:20, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Sure, I can start with Tara King. The Complete Avengers has a chapter on her, starting on page 158. Film Fatales has real-world discussion of her character. Also see Avengerworld. The British Film Institute's The Avengers is a 185-page book that analyzes every character. Father is actually the weakest one; that character only appeared in one episode and you can delete that article if you like. The others are all backed up with in-depth real-world sources, with The Complete Avengers and the BFI's The Avengers as the best book-length RS. If you want to bring them to AfD, then I can post the sources for each character individually, or just look on Google Books & Internet Archive through the above links. -- Toughpigs (talk) 20:32, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

@Piotrus: I've added some real-world sourced info to the other five Avengers character pages that you proposed for deletion. Let me know if you have any further questions about The Avengers, or about how to find good reliable sources for articles about fiction. -- Toughpigs (talk) 04:03, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

I expect that some like Tara will therefore be notable as stand alone, and I encourage you to copy said sentence to the reception section of her. PS. I see you have done this for most of those chatterers, thank you very much for rescuing them (despite what some say, I do prefer rescue to deletion :D). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:09, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	For adding Disney to the family of deletion sorting categories. ミラP 01:58, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Nice work. Now if you can look at Draft:Amir Talai. Article was deleted at AFD as non-notable, but I've taken over an abandoned draft to fix that. ミラP 20:56, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Please don't tell others what to do (or don't)

I appreciate your efforts to rescue the articles. But please don't tell others what do do (or don't). TIA. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:58, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Piotrus: You're right, I apologize. You have the right to prod or nominate what you want; if I disagree, then it's up to me to demonstrate notability. -- Toughpigs (talk) 08:17, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for understanding. I don't mid deprods or people disagreeing with me at AfD. All I do is to raise possible issues with notability and such for review. Sometimes the review ends up with deletion of content, sometimes with merger, sometimes with retaining it. This is just routine version of WP:BRD. We are here to improve Wikipedia, which sometimes involves discussions about what may need to be deleted. That's all. Please keep up the good job of saving articles, and if I ever do not reply to a good keep argument at AfD or such, please don't hesitate to ping me to re-review the situation. A rescued article is always better than a deleted one. It is just that sometimes someone has to clean our wiki house a little bit. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:49, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Batarang AFD

No I very rarely get heated but yeah I might have gone overboard. I felt like quoting the sources before I was done though. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 01:35, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Jhenderson777: Yeah, the sources are really great. Thanks for hearing me out. -- Toughpigs (talk) 01:50, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

I told you I am not heated. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 05:45, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Jhenderson777: Okay, sorry for bugging you. -- Toughpigs (talk) 05:45, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

No you're not. An a way I guess you're right. I am sounding defensive a little. But I promise you I am not hot under the collar lol. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 06:05, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Jhenderson777: Well, don't worry. Batman's been in worse trouble before; he'll make it out of this one. :) -- Toughpigs (talk) 06:09, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Paper Mayhem sources

Many thanks for noting the additional available sources for Paper Mayhem on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paper Mayhem. If momentum remains, the article will probably stay and I'll try to use them. It occurred to me a few days ago that I should also probably try enlisting the help of a reference librarian who could help me turn stones over that I don't know exist. Anyway, it's an interesting project. Thanks again. --Airborne84 (talk) 06:07, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Airborne84: You're welcome! I'm glad you're working on the article, it's really interesting. I don't know if you've used the Internet Archive library much, but they've got some real obscurities that can be useful in surprising ways. I'll look forward to seeing what else you can dig up. -- Toughpigs (talk) 06:20, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you!

7&6=thirteen (☎) has given you a Dobos torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it. To give a Dobos torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:08, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Urine-indicator dye as a stub

My rule of thumb is to use a prose counter gadget and anything <250 words is a stub to me. This is the number given by WP:PSA. Not that it is a big issue :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:41, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

re: Newspapers.com

That's really helpful, thanks. I will try to do this (well, I am doing it right now, but the site seems to be very slow). Hopefully in the near future I'll be able to use those databases, they do seem extremity useful. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:11, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Quality Comics characters

I knew I would hear from you. Anyways you can unmerge it but I am telling you now they won’t pass Wp:GNG. Not only that they unarguably obscure. No info has been deleted. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 00:51, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

There are plenty of sources about Golden Age comics. If you want to merge them, at least start a merge discussion on each article. Bold merging a dozen articles at the same time that TTN is PRODing another ten is too much to deal with. -- Toughpigs (talk) 00:53, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Also, Jhenderson777: If you knew you would hear from me... you could just talk to me first. :) -- Toughpigs (talk) 00:53, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Not how it works. See Wp:Bold. I didn’t NEED to discuss...just attempt it. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 00:56, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Jhenderson777: I know that you don't have to. I'm saying that it would have been a kinder thing to do. :) -- Toughpigs (talk) 00:58, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

No that makes no sense to discuss it with you and just you. Obviously you want it to stay and think it’s notable when I know better. So it will go nowhere. No info besides fancruft was eliminated. You basically just threw away a personal project of mine because you prefer stand alone cruft. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 01:29, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Jhenderson777: I didn't mean to disrupt a personal project. But I've worked on Bozo the Iron Man, and I think it's a pretty good article. It is a silly but interesting note in comics history, and it's backed up by sources. Merging all of those pages meant losing the pictures, and therefore information that is important for the reader's understanding.

I agree with you that some of these pages may not be notable. As you said, there's a "purge" going on right now that's deleting a lot of the not-notable characters. But I think it's good for us to look at each of these pages and give them a chance. -- Toughpigs (talk) 01:54, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Regarding pics..according to Wikipedia there should be less fair use images as possible. Hardly any of those pics have a good fair use rationale to stay. Also Bozo the Iron Man is too obscure for Wikipedia for stand alone. He just is! No matter how good it is. I know how you feel. Who do you think created Scribbly the Boy Cartoonist? I once thought he is notable enough but he really ain’t. I admitted that the hard way. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 02:09, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Jhenderson777: Notability is determined by independent reliable sources. If there are reliable sources that cover a subject, then the subject is notable. People have been writing about Golden Age comics for decades. I'll give you some examples:

• Superhero Comics of the Golden Age: The Illustrated History by Mike Benton, Taylor Publishing (1992)
• The Quality Companion: Celebrating the Forgotten Publisher of Plastic Man by Mike Koolman & Jim Amash, TwoMorrows Publishing (2012)
• The League of Regrettable Superheroes: Half Baked Heroes from Comic Book History by Jon Morris, Quirk Books (2015)
• Fiction House: From Pulps To Panels, From Jungles To Space by Mitch Maglio, Yoe Books (2017)
• Jess Nevins’ Encyclopedia of Golden Age Superheroes by Jess Nevins, High Rock Press (2017)
• The Spectacular Sisterhood of Superwomen: Awesome Female Characters from Comic Book History by Hope Nicholson, Quirk Books (2017)
• Take That, Adolf!: The Fighting Comic Books Of The Second World War by Mark Fertig, Fantagraphics Books (2017)
• Super Weird Heroes: Preposterous But True! by Craig Yoe, Yoe Books (2018)
• Secondary Superheroes of Golden Age Comics by Lou Mougin, McFarland & Co (2019)

Golden Age comics history is interesting, and people are writing about it. That makes it notable. -- Toughpigs (talk) 02:27, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

That’s proving the Golden Age of Comics is notable. Not a particular character. You are using a fallacy. I am not merging every Golden Age character. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 11:07, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Jeff Rovin superhero encyclopedias

I recently started stubs on The Encyclopedia of Superheroes and The Encyclopedia of Super-Villains, in case you know of any sources that could be used to improve them for WP:N concerns. BOZ (talk) 19:00, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Sure, I added a couple reviews to each page from Newspapers.com. If you're not aware, you can actually get a free subscription to Newspapers.com through the Wikipedia Library Card. You should check it out; it's really helpful for finding sources. :) -- Toughpigs (talk) 19:18, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

OK great, thanks! :) BOZ (talk) 19:32, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Lists of DC Comics characters

The AFD didn’t seem like a good place to talk about it so here I am. Basically I do plan to do away with the major and minor stuff that is going on. The new page is a do over for now on the whole DC characters page which was done inproperly in the first place. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 15:26, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Jhenderson777: I agree that the List of DC Comics characters pages are a mess. I don't think it's a good idea to try to turn those 26 pages into 2 pages, and then add even more content from pages that you're trying to delete/redirect. I see that you're also working on creating Draft:Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe at the same time. I think that you should take some time and figure out what you're doing in draft space, and make sure that your idea works, before you start redirecting and deleting existing content. -- Toughpigs (talk) 15:40, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

I didn’t say do 26 pages to 2 pages. That minor character article isn’t staying forever and moves / name changes will have to be made for a do over. This is harder to explain than to do apparently because you still don’t understand the plan. But just know that the main list article can be just history merged to the new one. Everything can be fixed slowly because Wikipedia is a work of progress. Also working on the Draft page is slightly your fault. And I can double task on Wikipedia. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 16:03, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Scribbly the Boy Cartoonist

I appreciate the hard work on the article I created Scribbly the Boy Cartoonist. It seems fine now as an stand alone. I am also thinking Doctor Occult and Slam Bradley have potential too. Cheers! Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 01:45, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

The Inheritors AfD

Thanks for your improvements to the article and your defense of it in the AfD. Slowmover (talk) 03:47, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Slowmover: You're welcome! I'm glad we saved it together. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 04:21, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the help with the afd thing, thanks. New3400 (talk) 02:04, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

New3400: I'm glad I could help. — Toughpigs (talk) 03:02, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Angle Man update

Since you like to save articles..here is one threatened for prod: Angle Man. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 22:03, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I replied

I replied on my talk page but no response yet. Anyway I am trimming to significant to DC and notable proven. Doctor Death had no significant impact on the universe as part of Batman’s rogues gallery. Even to the point some articles would say Hugo Strange is Batman’s first “recurring” villain. There is even some antagonists that even Batman fought before that could be said his first supervillain. Doll Girl, rarely used for DC. Just because there is Quality comics articles doesn’t mean much. We still have Bozo the Iron Man and Clock which are hardly even DC either. Also Tigress, just some random character with the same name. Can’t even find sources on first appearance. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 18:51, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for explaining. — Toughpigs (talk) 18:52, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Citations in ledes

It's good you're trying to add references to Wikipedia. But per WP:CITELEAD citations in the lede are actually considered redundant and discouraged when the info is backed in the main article. In these mass cases - Cathy (TV special), A Flintstone Christmas‎, Here Comes Garfield‎, Garfield in Paradise, Garfield on the Town, Garfield's Halloween Adventure, these refs are already appropriately located in the "Broadcast and release" section. Ribbet32 (talk) 16:02, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll be more mindful about that. — Toughpigs (talk) 16:30, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Ribbet32 (talk) 19:50, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Basilisk (comics) was a good article to restore, but do you have more sources for it? BOZ (talk) 21:00, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I do not, unfortunately. Looking for more, but I wish I'd done that before trying to restore it. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 21:02, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Character sources

Hi there! Do you have anything to add for Phantom Reporter or Kala (comics)? 2601:249:8B80:4050:4AF1:7FFF:FEE5:C031 (talk) 04:11, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for asking. I don't think that I do have anything for either of them right now, unfortunately. I've got a couple more Golden Age books coming so I'll see if I can find anything for the Phantom Reporter. — Toughpigs (talk) 04:37, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for everything you do! 2601:249:8B80:4050:4AF1:7FFF:FEE5:C031 (talk) 19:26, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! I appreciate it. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 19:35, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

How about, do you have anything for Bushwacker (comics)? 2601:249:8B80:4050:4AF1:7FFF:FEE5:C031 (talk) 22:17, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't see anything in my books, I'm afraid. I checked out Google Books and didn't see anything there either. — Toughpigs (talk) 00:17, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for checking - there's a million more, but a lot fewer character articles than there once were. 2601:249:8B80:4050:4AF1:7FFF:FEE5:C031 (talk) 23:54, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, that's why I'm adding references. I want to put a stop to that. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 23:56, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Do you have anything for desperately undersourced articles on Isbisa and Magneto (Atlas Comics)? 2601:249:8B80:4050:4AF1:7FFF:FEE5:C031 (talk) 05:02, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Sure, I found a few things for Isbisa, and added them. I don't think I can find anything for Magneto -- as a search term, it's going to bring up the famous Magneto, and he probably won't show up in any official histories, because Marvel wouldn't want to confuse people about why there's another Magneto. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 06:39, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough, that guy was pretty obscure, along with a lot of other one-appearance monster creatures from that era (most of which do not have articles anymore)! There are only three other characters that have been on my mind for now, and then I will leave you alone for a while; Black Knight (Sir Percy) is undersourced for being as significant as he should be, and the Western characters Tex Taylor (comics) and Western Kid are also in bad need of sources, if you can find anything! 2601:249:8B80:4050:4AF1:7FFF:FEE5:C031 (talk) 00:15, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

I could come through for the Black Knight, but not really the Westerns. I found one Western Kid reference, nothing in particular for Tex Taylor. If people are writing about the Western comics, then I don't know where. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 00:33, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi there! Do you have anything more for Darkstar (Marvel Comics) and Stryfe? 2601:249:8B80:4050:4AF1:7FFF:FEE5:C031 (talk) 22:22, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Or for Zeus (Marvel Comics)? 2601:249:8B80:4050:4AF1:7FFF:FEE5:C031 (talk) 23:44, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I can see that you're busy, so just one last one that I thought of that is in need of more sources, before I go on my merry way: Andromeda (Marvel Comics). 2601:249:8B80:4050:4AF1:7FFF:FEE5:C031 (talk) 22:00, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Two drafts

Hi Toughpigs! I'm curious about the two drafts you have in your userspace. Any plan to move them to mainspace? User:Toughpigs/Draft:Mickey Mouse watch seems well-sourced, reads well, and has a certain nostalgia to me. I might be able to find my old watch and add a photo at some point.

The board game page needs some work, but I could see moving it in the near future. And both would make excellent DYKs. = paul2520 (talk) 17:58, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Paul2520, thanks for reminding me about those! Yes, I'll do some more work on them. I'm in the middle of a project right now, but I'll get back to those soon. If you can add a photo to the watch article, that would be great! — Toughpigs (talk) 18:00, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Toughpigs! I'll see what I can do. Let me know if there are other ways I can support with those articles, too. = paul2520 (talk) 18:31, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for your recent work adding all those references to reliable sources. The American Comic Book Chronicles series is a great series but I currently only have the 1980s volume. I will try to add additional refs from it to the appropriate articles sometime soon. -- Mtminchi08 (talk)

Mtminchi08: Thanks, I appreciate it! It would be great if you can add stuff from the 1980s, I don't have that one. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 20:21, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Green Turtle

Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia! Regarding this edit, though, in the reboot the tortoise spirit literally only protects him from getting shot. Bullets, ray guns, and rocket launchers can't touch him--the projectiles actually veer around him--but he is still vulnerable to fists, flails, and falling from great heights, for example.

...or were you editing to reduce spoilers? i guess technically the spirit IS protecting him from harm, just not ALL harm...

i'll revert that edit for now; if you disagree, i'd suggest you reply here on your talk page, or talk:Green Turtle (comics). i guess i might check my IP address talk page if i had to... ;-)

96.244.220.178 (talk) 07:03, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Timely and Atlas Comics characters

Hi there! As always, I enjoy watching you work. I have especially been noticing you being active on Timely Comics era characters, with lots of good sources from that time period, and even brought a few back that were redirected. I would like to bring back more characters that have potential, what do you think about for example Challenger (comics)[3] and Thin Man (comics)[4] for starters? If I were to restore them and add the sources you added to the character list pages, do you think you could back them up if other people were to question their notability? BOZ (talk) 20:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for asking; let me see what I've got. I might be able to add more. — Toughpigs (talk) 20:35, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

OK, good deal. :) There are definitely others, those were just the first two which came to mind. Those can simply be restored as long as we have the sources; others, like Jann of the Jungle[5] which were merged as a result of AFD will be a lot tougher to bring back, but may not be impossible. BOZ (talk) 21:15, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I just wanted to add everything I've got to those two, so they're ready for prime-time. :) I think those two are ready now. I'm still working through one more Golden Age book, and then I've got plans for a few new/revived pages too. Thanks! — Toughpigs (talk) 21:39, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Done for Challenger and Thin Man. :) BOZ (talk) 02:34, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Awesome, they look great. I didn't realize there were pictures! — Toughpigs (talk) 02:38, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Just two more for now, and then we can look at more next week. I am thinking we have some potential with American Ace[6] and Fin (comics)[7]. The first one definitely still needs some sources, but Fin looks close to ready. BOZ (talk) 14:29, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

There are actually a couple others I'm planning to work on today. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 16:05, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

BOZ: Here's today's page: Phantasmo. :) Toughpigs (talk) 00:51, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Nice! :) BOZ (talk) 03:25, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

American Ace is clearly not ready yet, but I think there was just enough to restore the Fin with, so I did, although it may need more sources to remain unchallenged as an article. BOZ (talk) 03:14, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, maybe you shouldn't recreate articles if you think they're going to be challenged. I've been doing a lot of extra research to make sure that the pages that I work on are rock-solid, like the one I made today for Rang-a-Tang the Wonder Dog. Are there some non-fiction sources that you can find that would help to make these articles better? — Toughpigs (talk) 03:28, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough, yes, I think I will hold off on restoring any more articles unless the sources are stronger. I'm a lot better with sources for tabletop game articles than I am for sources on comics characters, so I will let you do your thing and be patient. :) BOZ (talk) 04:06, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, man. I appreciate your support. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 04:08, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I have given some thought on a way forward as far as restoring character articles. I suggest that as you find sources for characters which have been merged into lists, keep adding the sources to that list entry as you have been doing; if you find sources for a character that is not already one one of the character lists, then add a short entry for that character so it can be built on. I mainly work with Marvel characters, so I will periodically go through all the list entries linked from the main Lists of Marvel Comics characters and find which ones have multiple reliable sources; I think that four sources is a good benchmark, so when I see a character has reached that point, I will restore the article as I did with Father Time (Marvel Comics) if it was simply merged, although if there was an AFD then I would need to appeal to the admin who closed the discussion. I think that's a reasonable approach, what do you think? BOZ (talk) 20:07, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey, well done on Father Time! I'll look at my stuff and see if I can add some more content. Unfortunately, I don't have any more like that. When I was going through all my Golden Age books, I kept notes on all the characters and sources, so I can actually break down who's got coverage.

In my notes, I count 45 Timely characters that I know about. 28 of them currently have pages, 6 are redirects to list pages and 11 aren't on the wiki at all.

The 6 redirects (I already added my sources to these entries):

• Dynamic Man (Timely Comics) - 2 sources
• Ferret (comics) - 3 sources
• Human Top (Bruce Bravelle) - 2 sources
• Miss Patriot - 2 sources
• Silver Scorpion - 3 sources
• Terror (Marvel Comics) - 3 sources

The 11 that aren't on the wiki yet, with the sources that I have:

• Blue Blaze - 2 sources
• Comedy Kid - 1 source
• Defender - 3 sources
• Fiery Mask - 2 sources
• Flexo the Rubber Man - 3 sources
• Major Liberty - 2 sources
• Marvel Boy - 2 sources
• Mr. Liberty / Major Liberty - 2 sources
• Subbie - 1 source
• Tough Kid Squad - 3 sources
• Vagabond - 3 sources

The sources that I'm using:

• American Comic Book Chronicles: 1940-1944 by Kurt Mitchell and Roy Thomas, 2019
• Jess Nevins' Encyclopedia of Golden Age Superheroes, 2013
• Superhero Comics of the Golden Age: An Illustrated History by Mike Benton, 1992
• The Marvel Encyclopedia by Tom DeFalco etc, 2019
• Marvel Year by Year by Tom Breevort etc, 2017
• The Steranko History of Comics by Jim Steranko, 1970
• Don Markstein's Toonopedia.com

At some point, TwoMorrows will publish American Comic Book Chronicles: 1945-1949, which will be very helpful to fill in some more Golden Age gaps. They're working on that volume, but I don't know when it'll be published. And that's pretty much all I have. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 21:02, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good! I was thinking more generally about characters, despite the title of this section, and not limited to just the Timely/Atlas era, but of course I brought those up since I would like to see more coverage here of that era so I am focusing there for the moment. :) I know that Fiery Mask was merged into the character list, and Marvel Boy (Martin Burns) has redirected to a list entry for a while (unless you mean the Robert Grayson version, who has had an article for a long time), so those starting points are already there. I will do some research and see what I can do about adding list entries for the other characters you mentioned! BOZ (talk) 22:25, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Why not everything I merged before. Good grief! In all seriousness though I am not objective anymore and ain’t going to stop anybody. But improvements would be nice. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 22:39, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Also, besides American Ace and Jann of the Jungle which I mentioned above, I would add Armless Tiger Man to your list, and a few other characters who appeared in The Twelve. :) BOZ (talk) 22:28, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

I added redirects and sections to the list for several of those characters, will try to look for information on this others this week. :) BOZ (talk) 03:08, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Is this the Comedy Kid(s) you were referring to above?: [8] BOZ (talk) 15:49, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I got that from Benton's Golden Age book, here. You can borrow that book from the Internet Archive -- just register for a free account, and click the blue Borrow button. It's a great book, the best that you can get online for free. Internet Archive also has the Steranko History of Comics, which is worth a look. — Toughpigs (talk) 15:57, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

OK, cool! I added a brief line about them to List of Marvel Comics teams and organizations. I have maybe three more from your list to look into. BOZ (talk) 16:24, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Same with the Tough Kid Squad. BOZ (talk) 16:30, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

OK, I am finished with that – to summarize, of the 11 listed that you did not find on the wiki, Fiery Mask and Marvel Boy (Martin Burns) were already list entries, I redirected your Flexo the Rubber Man redirect to a list with an entry that I created, and I added redirects for Blue Blaze, Defender (comics), Major Liberty (who appears to be the same character as Mister Liberty), Subbie, Comedy Kids, Tough Kid Squad, and Vagabond (Pat Murphy) to list with entries that I created. :) BOZ (talk) 17:14, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

I restored Masked Raider today after seeing that you added a few sources; before merging, that article had zero. BOZ (talk) 15:04, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Sweet, well done. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 15:10, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi @BOZ: There's some confusion around the Human Top page, which is now nominated for deletion. Apparently Rtkat3 took out the material I'd added to the list page, and then added different content to the Human Top disambig page. I tried to explain the misunderstanding on that deletion discussion, so see that page for more info. :)

Going back a step, I think that the discussion that you started on Talk:Human Top (Bruce Bravelle)#Time to restore? was premature. Like I said above, I don't think that we should try to restore pages if we don't have enough new material to justify it. I only have two sources for the Human Top, and they don't have a lot of new material. I think that we should be careful about restoring and expanding these articles, and only bring a page back when we have enough new content to justify it. If we go too fast and restore pages in a hurry, it will inspire someone to go on a deletion spree, which will take lots of time to deal with, and we'll probably lose some good pages. Does that make sense? — Toughpigs (talk) 18:38, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

I see what you mean about starting the discussion prematurely, although on the other hand, I think it is never a bad idea to start a process rolling. I think that with another source or two, both on the old version of the article and on the list version of the article, we would be able to get this one back into article space, and anyone interested in such an endeavor may now be able to see the sum total of what has been found since that decade-old AFD. But, that looks like a discussion for another day! Meanwhile, I am not planning to restore any more characters at this time, as I think I have gotten enough back up for now, and we will see how the future goes. :) Yes, a deletion spree is definitely a thing to avoid, especially because they can be contagious as it was with D&D, where something like 90% of the in-universe articles were merged or deleted. :( So yes, I will focus elsewhere for now! There are plenty of currently-existing pages that need TLC without bringing back some vulnerable ones. BOZ (talk) 15:59, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Sweet, thanks. We'll keep working on it. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 16:17, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Do you have anything for Magneto (Atlas Comics)? BOZ (talk) 21:53, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

@BOZ: Is that a character who only appeared in one issue of Strange Tales? I like having detailed comics coverage, but I don't know why you'd possibly want to keep that page. — Toughpigs (talk) 22:21, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Thanks

Hadn't ever seen that essay on WP:BLUDGEON before and while its not nice to be accused of overwhelming the process, it accurately describes my interactions on that page. Lesson learned, thank you. HighKing⁺⁺ 19:44, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

HighKing: Thanks for your message. I'm glad that was helpful. — Toughpigs (talk) 19:57, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

give me an hand, please

Can you find anything about Billy Brandt? I can't. thank you. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 18:46, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi AlejandroLeloirRey, I appreciate you asking me, but I'm busy with another project right now. But I have a suggestion: I find that the best way to work is to find the source first, and then decide which page you're going to add to. For example, my current project: I bought a book called Television Cartoon Shows: An Illustrated Encyclopedia, 1949-2003, and now I'm going through that book page by page, adding references and information to each of the cartoon pages. If you can find a good reliable source that has information about gay porn actors, then you can add to multiple existing articles, based on what you find there. It's easier than picking the article and then looking for sources. — Toughpigs (talk) 18:57, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Human Top-response

I had set up the page for Human Top to serve as a set index for the two that called themselves Human Top and the villain that formerly called himself Human Top. I just wanted to let you know that. I had no idea of the previous discussion which I apologize for. --Rtkat3 (talk) 16:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Also, I had to rewrite some of it as some of them did not have references linking to the issue that the events happened in. --Rtkat3 (talk) 16:42, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rtkat3:: The thing that confuses me is that I added references to Superhero Comics of the Golden Age and Secondary Superheroes of the Golden Age. You removed that material from the List page, but you didn't add it to the Human Top page. Did you restore the Human Top page to a previous version, without adding the stuff that I added to the list page? — Toughpigs (talk) 16:45, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

I had no knowledge of a previous thing before your version which I apologize for. If you would like to re-add it, go right ahead. --Rtkat3 (talk) 16:47, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Just a hello!

I've seen you around media-related AfDs for quite some time now and I thought I'd say hi! Please know that I appreciate how you look beyond the open internet and into books to improve articles. Have a great day! --DiamondRemley39 (talk) 14:49, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

@DiamondRemley39: Thanks, I appreciate it! I've been building up a little library of reference material. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 18:29, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

The Enchanted World of Danny Kaye: The Emperor's New Clothes

Thanks for creating pages for Rankin/Bass Productions' The Smokey Bear Show (1969–70) and The Reluctant Dragon & Mr. Toad Show (1970). We hope you can move onto a television special called The Enchanted World of Danny Kaye (1972), featuring Hans Christian Andersen's The Emperor's New Clothes with the voices of Cyril Ritchard, Imogene Coca and Danny Kaye himself, along with the combination of live-action, stop motion animation, traditional animation, and special effects.

Okay, I created a page for The Enchanted World of Danny Kaye. :) Thanks for your help on the Smokey Bear article! — Toughpigs (talk) 04:49, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. So far, I was helping you with your articles of The Smokey Bear Show and The Reluctant Dragon & Mr. Toad Show, by improving them with extra information, like how did those two series' team of voice actors were assembled in Canada, and both "Animagic" (stop motion) and traditional animation alike were done in Japan. And speaking of Smokey himself, we're looking forward to have the article of Ballad of Smokey the Bear, Rankin/Bass Productions' second television special for The General Electric Fantasy Hour on NBC, featuring the Animagic of Tadahito Mochinaga and the music of Johnny Marks, and starring the voice of James Cagney. And next in the waiting line will be The Leprechaun's Christmas Gold, also in the same puppet animation technique. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.224.57.136 (talk) 23:45, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

G.I. Joe characters

Do your sources have anything to help prove the notability for the List of G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero characters (A–C) and its related lists? 2601:249:8B80:4050:30EA:4BD4:26C2:2BDC (talk) 20:06, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Sure, I posted in that deletion discussion. :) Thanks for the heads-up. — Toughpigs (talk) 21:58, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! How about for the List of G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero vehicles? 20:42, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Okay, I posted there too. — Toughpigs (talk) 21:21, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

• Since you seem to care about that information, I'd like to point out I transwikied it to https://gijoe.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_G.I._Joe:_A_Real_American_Hero_vehicles to preserve it. Can't import the entire edit history if its above a certain size, so most recent version only. Whenever you see an article that is going to be deleted and want to save it, there is always a wiki out there somewhere to move it to. Dream Focus 15:59, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Double thanks

[9] -- C. A. Russell (talk) 12:59, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Citations in ledes, again

It's good you're trying to add references to Wikipedia. But per WP:CITELEAD citations in the lede are actually considered redundant and discouraged when the info is backed in the main article. In these cases - A Flintstone Christmas, Garfield in Paradise, these refs are already appropriately located in the "Broadcast and release" section. Ribbet32 (talk) 22:25, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the reminder. I didn't check those sections, and I should have. — Toughpigs (talk) 14:35, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Hanna-Barbera and Rankin/Bass projects with overseas animation

I hope you like the plot for New York-based media company Rankin/Bass Productions' The Enchanted World of Danny Kaye, and thank you for altering it. But six of Rankin/Bass' other television productions, with animation by Japanese studios, are waiting to have their pages created as well: Ballad of Smokey the Bear (1966), Cricket on the Hearth (1967), The Red Baron (1972), That Girl in Wonderland (1973), The Leprechauns' Christmas Gold (1981) and Santa, Baby! (2001). And to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the Universal Orlando Resort in Orlando, Florida, we also need a page about a defunct animation studio called Fil-Cartoons — a subsidiary of Los Angeles-based studio Hanna-Barbera Productions, located in Manila, Philippines. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.224.57.136 (talk) 04:27, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Pedantry

I'm not sure if I am one of the pedants you referred to at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scouting and Guiding in Belarus, but I just wanted to say that I completely agree with everything you said. It is really tiresome to have to indulge in wikilawyering over sources to defend a page that so obviously deserves to be here. In trying to correct for poor quality unsourced information, Wikipedia has gone way too far the other way. I think you should write the essay. Hell, I would support turning it into a guideline. SpinningSpark 12:44, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Spinningspark, you are not one of the pedants at all; you're fighting the good fight against them. I wish we could go back to first principles and reaffirm the real purpose of AfD — to weed out articles that are nonsense, pure self-promotion, POV attacks and other kinds of obviously unsuitable pages. Hand-wringing over whether a source is independent and reliable but possibly not significant enough or vice versa, and deleting a page that common sense says is perfectly fine, is just blindly following the letter of the law to no useful end. You know, maybe I will write that essay at some point. :) Thanks for your message and your good work. — Toughpigs (talk) 14:53, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Citations in ledes, III

Are you never going to get this??? Ribbet32 (talk) 07:01, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

The Pez and Wikimedia

hello! I went from the Pez AfD to your user page and now I see you are the product manager for Wikimedia! I have a serious question: why are the referencing tools available to En-wiki so terrible? A lot of the time they do not even work (Citation expander and ReFill in particular). I have always wondered why money is not being spent on that. Thanks. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 20:48, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi ThatMontrealIP, I'll answer you using my work account. :) I have also been distressed with the state of referencing tools, and how little thought has been given to helping new contributors understand how important references are. If you look at my Toughpigs contributions, you can see that adding references is a big deal for me personally, and it depresses me to see how often people drop "citation needed" templates on articles instead of actually just going and finding a book.

There are a couple of projects that we're working on right now to improve the state of references on Wikipedia. One is the Wikipedia Library Card, which gives active WP contributors free access to paywalled journals, databases and publishers. We just released some new features to the Library in the last couple weeks that expands access significantly, making about 60% of the content instantly available, without having to ask for access. If you haven't seen the Library before, you should check it out. The current plans for the Library team are to finish up one last big phase of work early next year, and then have that team move on to other projects to help support getting more and better references on articles.

We're also including references in the new Suggested edits feature that our Growth team is building — teaching new editors how to add references, and suggesting pages that have been tagged as needing them. That feature is in active development, and it isn't on English WP yet; it's currently on French, Arabic, Czech, Korean and a bunch of other languages.

Last year, we also worked on VisualEditor on mobile devices, including overhauling the add-citations feature and making it actually work for people editing on phones using VE.

But, I know, you asked about Citation expander and ReFill. Those are gadgets that volunteers built, and the team that works on fixing those kinds of gadgets is the Community Tech team. We run a Community Wishlist Survey every year, taking requests for fixes that people need. I don't know if you've participated in a Wishlist Survey before, but fixing Citation expander and ReFill is an ideal proposal for the next survey.

So - long answer, sorry. Do you have any thoughts on what else we should be doing to help folks add references? — DannyH (WMF) (talk) 21:16, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

thanks for that. Yes, I am concerned with the references being expanded, and not with them being found. I guess I am wondering how is that creating proper sources not a core, paid, priority of the WMF? I should press a button and a lot of server power should instantly expand that ref. At the moment I usually have to open a separate site and then paste the article URL into ReFill. It's like 1998. The cite templates literally remind me of being in a computer lab in the early 90s, opening a copy of Netscape or Opera. All that is missing is the opening animation. Maybe you can ask Community tech to just get on it?ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:29, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: Have you tried using Citoid in Visual Editor or the new Wikitext editor? You can paste in a URL or other identifier and it will attempt to automatically generate all the citation fields for that reference. It sounds like the kind of in-editor tool you're looking for. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 10:42, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

@Samwalton9: I only edit in wikicode and have never used the visual editor. I am just wondering why basic functionality so often seems to be missing. For the past week or two , using "citaiton expander" is a lot less than optimal: when it does run, half the time produces "no difference". Many times it also refuses to expand a URL into proper ref parameters. ReFill is more reliable, but also is frequently down or you have to wait a long time for it to be assigned to whatever server does the work.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 22:52, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: ReFill was created by a volunteer contributor, Zhaofeng Li. Unfortunately, their user page says that they're semi-retired, and they haven't made any WP edits in the last year. Tools made by volunteers are often amazing and really helpful, but if the developer stops maintaining them, they can break down. At the WMF, we do have an Editing team that works to make basic editing functionality easier; they made Citoid, which you're not using. :) But Community Tech exists to take requests about the features and fixes that people really want, and you should propose this on the next Wishlist Survey. I can't tell them to drop what they're doing right now, because they're working on Watchlist Expiry, which will also be helpful and important. But they'll be asking for ideas again in the fall. I know that's a disappointing answer, but please do take advantage of the Wishlist Survey when it comes around again. — DannyH (WMF) (talk) 23:58, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

thanks. I looked into the Wishlist Surveys and, as you know, the last one to take Wikiepdia related proposals was in late 2018. Any idea on when the next one is?ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:01, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I'm expecting that there'll be another one coming in November. — DannyH (WMF) (talk) 01:04, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Sorry

Sorry to make you resubmit this edit because of my revert of the sock operator. Thanks for resubmitting. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:12, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Cyphoidbomb: No problem at all. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 03:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, what does DEFAULTSORT do?

Hi. I noticed that you added a DEFAULTSORT template to a page I watch in Vermont. What does that do? Just asking out of curiosity. Thanks - Dyork (talk) 21:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Dyork, defaultsort affects how the page is alphabetized on category pages. The Citizen was being sorted under T in Category:Newspapers published in Vermont. The defaultsort makes it sort under C, along with The Caledonian-Record, The Chester Telegraph and The Chronicle. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 22:03, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Toughpigs: - Aha! That makes sense. Thank you for the explanation! (and for making that change) - Dyork (talk) 00:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for work hard on Shuvro

I have concerns about Goodreads as a reference since much of it can be user generated, thus it is often considered to fit WP:RS. May I suggest that you note this difficult status and why you are using Goodreads as a reference on the article's talk page, please? Fiddle Faddle 21:16, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

If you are using Goodreads to reference the fact that books exist, did you know that almost all Goodreads descriptions are imported directly from Amazon? Fiddle Faddle 21:21, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Timtrent, yes - I'm using Goodreads just to reference the Bengali publication dates. I know that Goodreads is not a great source, and I wouldn't ordinarily use it, but I can't read Bengali, and it's an English-language website that has easy-to-follow entries on these books. I think that English-speaking readers would probably appreciate an English-language source to refer to. If you know of any better sources (either in English or Bengali) for this information, then it would be great if you could replace the Goodreads sources with more appropriate ones. Thank you! — Toughpigs (talk) 21:38, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

I can't read the language either. It's an awkward choice. I can't see an easy way around it. I'm glad you're working to save the article. The creating editor created their own pickle by going straight to main space. Your work has already changed my AfD !vote Fiddle Faddle 21:46, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Timtrent: Well, I'm glad that they did create it in mainspace and it was taken to AfD, because that gave me the opportunity to see it and improve it. It looks to me like this is a notable subject, and I see three experienced editors (you, Serial Number and Theroadislong) trying to delete and discourage rather than support and help. I think that it's important to assume good faith when the editor is not a native English speaker; assuming that an article is "fancruft" just because it needs some light rewriting and a couple trips to Google Translate to verify sources helps to create an English-only bias that damages our ability to cover all encyclopedic topics. — Toughpigs (talk) 21:57, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

If you look down the article history I used a PROD to encourage sourcing. Almost simultaneously and 3 minutes afterwards the AfD arrived. I have rarely kept to my first opinion at AfD in the current iteration of my time here, and I moved from deletion to a position of retention somewhere in the middle of your work. At the start my opinion was that it had no notability, but I have seen it differently. At AFC (I reviewed there a lot historically and have started to again) it would have been pushed back for work, and taken quite an incubation there. I think it would have emerged as an article Fiddle Faddle 22:22, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

July 2020

Please do not add or change content, as you did at Shuvro, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Please desist from adding crap sources. Re: The Daily Star and Goodreads, at least, are *not* eliable sources. ——Serial ^# 21:53, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Serial Number 54129: As I explained just above, I'm using Goodreads to verify publication dates for books published in Bengali. It's very difficult to find English-language sources on material that isn't written in English. I understand that The Daily Star is not reliable for news, but the piece that I'm using is about popular literature, and very much backs up the idea that the subject of the article is notable. We should probably continue this conversation in the AfD discussion, so that other people can weigh in. Toughpigs (talk) 22:03, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Toughpigs, you were really kind to me and you brought life to the Shuvro article. And in Bangladesh, The Daily Star is the most bought and most reliable English newspaper. Thank you very much for kind affection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suborno Sabbir (talk • contribs) 04:19, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Update, if anyone cares: I've realized that there was a misunderstanding with Serial Number 54129. The paper listed on the Perennial sources table as unreliable is the Daily Star (UK). The paper that I used on the Shuvro article is The Daily Star (Bangladesh). These are unrelated newspapers that happen to have the same name. I've posted on Serial Number's talk page to explain the situation, and ask if it's okay to put the Bangladesh Daily Star material back into the article. — Toughpigs (talk) 18:09, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Toughpigs. You had to face a lot trying to save Shuvro and you are successful! Due to your efforts it is staying! Thank You Very Much, Thank You!--Suborno Sabbir (talk) 03:21, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Suborno Sabbir, thank you for creating the page and bringing this interesting subject to Wikipedia! — Toughpigs (talk) 03:23, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

You're most welcome. I came back to thank you for inserting the book cover.So.......Thank You!--Suborno Sabbir (talk) 03:29, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Silents

Once again I must tell you how much I appreciate your activity in this area (and era). It can be too much for me to balance my creating articles here and keeping up with AfD research, especially when multiples get nominated for deletion at the same time... When I see you've contributed as you do, I am so relieved that I am not alone and that someone else cares enough to act. Give yourself a pat on the back and a piece of candy for me, will you? DiamondRemley39 (talk) 23:08, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi DiamondRemley39, thanks for the message and the candy! I always think it's silly when people try to delete articles about entertainment in the 20s and 30s — it's got obvious historical value, and there's been plenty of time for people to write about it. I'm happy when I see you in those AfD discussions too. Keep up the good work. — Toughpigs (talk) 00:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

I echo what Diamond said - great work on the silent film articles, esp following this AfD. Thanks! Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:13, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Comics drafts

Greetings, I've been trying to develop a few drafts but I still need help:

• Draft:Crossover (2020 comic book)
• Draft:Event Leviathan
• Draft:G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero (IDW Publishing)
• Draft:King in Black
• Draft:Perpetua (comics)
• Draft:Rorschach (comic book)
• Draft:Unlimited Power (comics)
• Draft:World Forger
• Draft:X of Swords

Another user and I try to do that before, but we do not have certain resources at all. I hope you can help us. If you cannot, Then thank you anyway. F. E. Puricelli (talk) 22:55, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Drop Inn Center

Sources -- GreenC 04:21, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@GreenC Thank you :) — Toughpigs (talk) 05:07, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Bay Area Reporter

I don't want spoil the discussion on the AFD so I will answer u here (is this something ok to do?). I underlined the difference between out magazine and out personal not because of u but because of Gleeanon409 (read what he wrote in the discussion). Bay Area Reporter and out magazine target the same people LGBT but this is not a good reason to put them on the same level, otherwise any LGBT magazine would be alike.

--AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 18:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I understand why you pointed out the difference for Out personals. For Bay Area Reporter, you said that it was a local niche publication. I responded to the "local" part by talking about BAR's historical importance and influence, and the "niche" part by comparing it to Out magazine. I think it would be good for us both to leave that thread as it is right now, and we'll see what other editors think about the sources. We've both expressed our points of view about it, so I don't feel like there's much more to say for right now. — Toughpigs (talk) 18:52, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Gleeanon409 said "Out Personals, at that time was ... Out magazine’s spin-off, now the website is taken by someone else." any idea if that could be true and eventually any sources about it? can u see why I wish articles re-published on J. D. Slater 's personal web site were not taken into account?. u know how much I struggle not to answer, sigh... I wish I was stronger, but I am doing my best. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 19:28, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

I think that the two strongest sources that we have right now are One-Handed History: The Eroto-Politics of Gay Male Video Pornography, which has several pages on Slater's style; and the 1991 Bay Area Reporter article, which is close to a full page specifically about Slater and current events in his career. I believe that that's what this process is about. For any subject, there's a range of secondary sources from strong to weak; the AfD is for identifying the strongest sources, and then deciding if those are enough to determine notability.

If there are enough strong sources to demonstrate notability, then it doesn't matter if there are also weak sources. You don't have to fight about every single source. I think here, the question for you is: given that One-Handed History is clearly a strong source, why are you still fighting to delete the article?

I think that your decision to withdraw the Danny Wylde nomination was very good. It shows maturity, that you're able to admit when someone else is right. There are non-notable gay porn performers on Wikipedia, and it's good that you're cleaning them up. But you don't have to keep score, and fight to delete every article that you possibly can. If someone else is showing good sources, and they're a good-faith contributor, it's a good idea to let that one stay. — Toughpigs (talk) 20:09, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

it is not at all the first time i withdraw my nomination. I really don't want to see a good article disappear. Honestly I believe i got rid of 99% of the garbage articles already so i will stop very soon to nominate. I wish someone went through the articles of the dead porn actor which I didn't wanna touch and that someone did the same with the straight porn. I wish the discussions would only focus on the strongest sources and debate if they are strong enough. I feel that One-Handed History is a good source, only is not good enough. it is a few pages, not a chapter or a section and it is mostly slater's point of view of safe sex, not exactly a cover of his work of life. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 01:03, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

And there's also the Bay Area Reporter articles. And there's probably more — I found the BAR articles because I went and looked at the Internet Archive. Since we've found those, I think that it's likely that there's more, which more people will find in the future. So my question for you is: why is it important to you that this specific article is deleted? Why are you fighting to delete the article? — Toughpigs (talk) 02:45, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Tara Tin Jon

I'm creating another article.....but this time properly! I've already made a draft. Would you like to help me? The Draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Suborno_Sabbir/Tara_Tin_Jon (I don't know how to give it properly here.....Woops!) --Suborno Sabbir (talk) 05:11, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Joaquin Garay

Hi, I'm writing to you because of this edit you made six months ago. I know that Clarence Nash and José do Patrocínio Oliveira voiced Donald Duck and Josè Carioca not only in the original English version of The Three Caballeros, but also in the Spanish, French, German, Portuguese and Italian versions. How about Joaquin Garay as Panchito? You wrote that in the Spanish version Garay sung the song, but for the speaking parts he was replaced by his vocal coach Felipe Turich. The source you cited is the 2009 book South of the Border With Disney: Walt Disney and the Good Neighbor Program, 1941-1948 by J.B. Kaufman, but I don't have it and so I ask you if that book may contain references to other dubs of the movie in addition the Spanish version. --Newblackwhite (talk) 19:01, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Newblackwhite, I actually don't own the book either — I got the info by searching the preview on Amazon. I looked at the parts I can see for information on the other language versions, but I don't see anything about them. I think that it's possible there is more information in the book, but I think one of us is going to have to borrow or buy it to find out, sorry. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 19:14, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

I get it. Well, thanks for your quick answer anyway. --Newblackwhite (talk) 19:21, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Failure XfD comment

I'm late this this, but what the hell justified this? Mind your manners in future. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 15:48, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Thumperward: It was just a little joke because you nominated "Failure", not meant to be taken seriously. I'm sorry that I upset you. — Toughpigs (talk) 02:27, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For your tireless contributions at AfD. Thanks for proving me wrong on Frank Meschkuleit in particular. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 18:49, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

AleatoryPonderings: Thanks very much, I appreciate it. — Toughpigs (talk) 18:59, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Searching the Internet Archive for sources?

Nice trick. I'd second you if you asked for a link to be added to Template:Find sources. Maybe same for newspapers.com? Another trick is Amazon book preview, which can fill in the gaps with Google Books preview. All of those should be more widely known among our AfD regulars. (Btw, off topic tangent: I propose on pl.wiki to adopt BEFORE and Find sources template, both ideas were dismissed as too much trouble...). Sigh. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:58, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, Internet Archive has a surprisingly varied collection; the strangest things pop up there if you do a search. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 03:18, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Ha, I asked for that in July! It'd be quite handy. Also, Toughpigs: I just knew it was you I edit conflicted with on America's Original Sin before I even checked the history, so I wanted to say hi :) AleatoryPonderings (talk) 22:09, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

@AleatoryPonderings: Ha! Hi to you too. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 22:13, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Skeets (DC Comics)

Just addressing the fact that this article is nominated for deletion that you edited on before. So if the character passes notability I am sure you would want to prove it. Hope everything is well with you! Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 01:29, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

@Jhenderson777: Thanks, I appreciate the heads-up. — Toughpigs (talk) 02:17, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

The Angry Beavers

Hi. I don't get why you put in the information about the "Bye Bye Beavers" and all the other stuff you put in in this article. While it may be true, it was fine without this. So, may I please delete it? It's also not relevant to what is being talked about in the article. So, can I please delete it? Thank you.

No, you can't. It's good, sourced information, and you don't have a real reason to want to delete it. It's time for you to stop your edit war. Just leave it alone. — Toughpigs (talk) 01:08, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Fine. I'll stop my edit war. But do you know what I am talking about? I am talking about this:

There was often tension between Schauer and Nickelodeon, with the channel imposing seemingly arbitrary restrictions on the show's content, including bleeping out the words "Shut up!" in the premiere episode. The show was very popular and was renewed for four seasons, but Schauer continued to push against the network's Standards and Practices division. In the final episode, "Bye Bye Beavers", the Beavers are informed by mail that their show is cancelled, and they openly criticize the network for cancelling shows and re-running them for years. The final set of episodes were not aired in the original run, and only showed up when the show aired on the Nicktoons channel. "Bye Bye Beavers" has never been aired.<ref>{{cite book |last1=Erickson |first1=Hal |title=Television Cartoon Shows: An Illustrated Encyclopedia, 1949 Through 2003 |date=2005 |edition=2nd |publisher=McFarland & Co |isbn=978-1476665993 |pages=83-84}}</ref>

This is what I can't delete, right? I won't delete it, but this is still what you don't want deleted because you said it's sourced information and all, right?

Yes, that is the information I'm talking about. Stop edit warring and leave it alone. — Toughpigs (talk) 01:18, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

OK. Thank you. Just wanted to make sure if that was what you were talking about. And apparently, it is because you said that was what you were talking about. I will stop edit warring and I will leave this alone. Again, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8804:1000:387E:39AE:8691:4E2A:5D8B (talk) 01:22, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Al Noor Hospitals

Hi - I see you are active on AfD and would really appreciate your thoughts. I have been active for wikipedia since the early days and rewrote the article on Al Noor Hospitals in 2013. I genuinely think the article is a worthy subject for the contribution it has made to healthcare in the middle east. Firstly I would welcome your thoughts on whether I am wasting my time defending this article or not: I accept that I may have failed to interpret WP:GNG correctly here. Secondly, on process, I have tried to make a case for article, was asked a question to which I replied and then received a very unpleasant response. When I tried to call out that response as a personal attack I was accused of bludgeoning. I have tried to engage with the nominator on his talk page but have now been accused of going outside the process and of harassment. I am not used to the AfD process but it seems most unpleasant and in urgent need of reform. Your thoughts would be really appreciated. Best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 09:43, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Dormskirk. I'm sorry that you've been treated badly in that dicussion. Your work on that article has been very good, especially since the prod a few days ago. You've added a lot of reliable sources, and I think at this point that you've met the bar of notability.

To save that article, I think that the best thing to do is to stop posting on that discussion page completely. You've said what you need to say, you've added good sources to the article, and now you just need more people to come by and look at the sources. This will happen over the course of this week; you just have to be patient, and wait for people to look at it. I'm confident that others will see that the sources are good, and they'll vote to Keep.

As for that nominator, I've been in a number of discussions with them, and they are consistently aggressive and hostile with absolutely everyone. It's not specifically targeted to you — that is the way that they behave with everyone. There is nothing that you can say to them that will make it better; anything that you say will just get another long rant about how wrong you are. I think that it's a problem that that user is allowed to behave this way towards other users, but it's not a problem that you or I can solve right now. Eventually, I think they will aggravate so many people that they'll end up getting sanctioned. The best thing for you and the article is just to leave them alone, work on other pages, and don't think about them anymore. The article will be kept, and you can move on. I'm sorry that you had such an unpleasant experience. — Toughpigs (talk) 23:40, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

What an extremely thoughtful and considerate response! I will certainly follow your advice and very many thanks for giving it. Very best wishes. Dormskirk (talk) 23:50, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Ted Seko

Does Ted Seko pass WP:NAUTHOR/WP:NARTIST, in your view? Figured I'd ask you, as this seems to be an area you're familiar with, before sending this to AfD possibly unnecessarily. [10] looks just on the edge of being reliable to me, but not quite, and I couldn't find anything else. Would welcome any thoughts, when/if you have the time. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 22:59, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi AleatoryPonderings, thank you for asking. I looked him up, and I can't find anything either. He's listed in SpongeBob credits in a cartoon encyclopedia, and that's about it. Internet Archive only has some old issues of G-Fan, a Godzilla zine, where Seko advertised comics. I'd like to say that the ComicBookBin coverage is okay, but it's really badly written, and that reduces my respect for it as a source. :) I like to save comic book stuff where I can, but this one really has nothing to offer. I appreciate you asking me before taking it to AfD. Take care — Toughpigs (talk) 03:38, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to look into this; I appreciate it! A shame that this one looks unsalvageable. Hope you're doing well. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 03:49, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Inconceivable!

I've been minorly sworn at. We've been likened to cult members. I can take it and more, but it also seems like a bad idea to let bad behaviors escalate without going to some effort to help the person correct sooner (if they choose). I've never taken anything to ANI before. Is this ANI worthy? Is there a different option? Just ignore and keep fighting the good fight? Let me know what you think. Thanks! --DiamondRemley39 (talk) 00:08, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

DiamondRemley39: Yeah, that user definitely has a problem with team sports. They have been overly aggressive for a few months now, and they've started assembling some paranoid conspiracy theories and lashing out in strange new ways. It is not acceptable and at some point, I hope soon, they will be brought to ANI by a public-spirited citizen and get the appropriate sanction. But that citizen shouldn't be you, and it shouldn't be me. :) As the poet said, never wrestle with a pig; you both get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it. The good news is that the more crazy walls of text that user writes, the more people vote Keep, and the article gets kept. We'll keep our noses clean, and keep finding worthwhile sources. Thanks for your help; I really appreciate it. — Toughpigs (talk) 02:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Belated reply to you here... thanks for yours! You are quite right. I don't want any part of it. Thanks again! --DiamondRemley39 (talk) 13:44, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@DiamondRemley39: And kudos for continuing the ''Princess Bride'' reference; it was funny seeing his interpretation. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 17:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Topper puppets

Heya! Someone made some major changes to your Sesame Street puppets (Topper) article and I don't think anyone on the wiki knows enough about it to verify. A lot of your work seems to have been removed including over 30 images. —scarecroe (talk) 13:20, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the heads up! At first look, it seems like somebody who really knows their Topper puppets. :) I'll look more closely and see if there's anything I disagree with, or any pictures I don't want to lose. So that's the first thing that person has done? That's wild. I wonder if they know anything else about the old merchandise.... I'll leave them a message. <3 Toughpigs (talk) 14:29, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good! I parked the images at wikiasite:muppet:Talk:Sesame_Street_puppets_(Topper) so that they don't take up space in wikiasite:muppet:Special:UnusedFiles. —scarecroe (talk) 11:25, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks! I'll be able to dig into it tomorrow. — Toughpigs (talk) 13:11, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Inquiry About Article Creation

Hello. It's me, again. I have a question about articles. So, Jim Henson had 2 puppets that appeared starting 1957 and ran until around the late 80's. They were used in multiple advertisements for different business brands. Jim and his soon-to-be wife performed the 2 characters while Jim voiced the both of them. But before I pitch an article about them, would that be considered as suitable for making an article out of? When you can, please respond back. Thanks.  LocalContributor281  (talk) 12:57, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

LocalContributor281: There are definitely a lot of published sources about Jim Henson's work. If you have enough references to make a good-quality page, you should go ahead and make it. — Toughpigs (talk) 23:11, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thank you.  LocalContributor281  (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:14, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Update About Donald Duck

So I just found an archived video from the mid-90's with Carl Barks painting photographs of the Duck family shortly before he died. During segments of him painting, the narrator credited him for creating Scrooge, Gladstone, and Gyro and also for turning Donald from a one-dimensional farm animal to a cinema graphic character with a complex personality. Just them mentioning "farm animal" gives away that it in fact was him in the 1931 book. Would this be a step closer to the possibility of him actually appearing first in 1931? Click here for video. LocalContributor281 (talk) 18:13, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

LocalContributor281: No. Donald Duck was a farm animal when he first appeared in The Wise Little Hen in 1934. — Toughpigs (talk) 18:37, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Sunturion

I've noticed you frequent Marvel Comics-related pages, and if possible, I could use your advice and/or help. In the Sunturion's page, an IP address removed the information pertaining to the Iron Man: Armored Adventures version on the grounds that it wasn't related to the comics' versions in any way. I'm tempted to undo their edit, but I don't know if I would be in the right or not. They don't seem to be a vandal. Blazewing16 (talk) 07:17, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

P.S. They don't seem to be a vandal. In fact, they mostly trail behind my edits and leave citation tags. Also, I hardly remember the show, so the person might also be in the right on the grounds of trivial non-appearances because I don't think the Sunturion even showed up in the show anyway. All I know is that Gene defeated it off-screen. All the same, I could use some advice please. Blazewing16 (talk) 07:21, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Blazewing16: unfortunately, I don't know enough about the animated show to know if they're right about Sunturion or Melter, where they made a similar change. I think you're right that they don't look like a vandal, and they seem sure of their facts. If you want to, you could leave a message on their talk page — IP addresses have talk pages too. But personally, I would probably let it go. Thanks for your work cleaning up these "in other media" sections; you've been doing a lot of good work! — Toughpigs (talk) 16:40, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your help, and you're welcome. I'm just doing my part to keep Wikipedia free of trivial and unnecessary material. Blazewing16 (talk) 02:51, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Just a final thank you...

...for your guidance during you-know-what; it was invaluable, and I'd have been quite lost without it. Thank you for restoring my faith in my favourite site on the web. If I can ever do you a solid, let me know and I shall respond forthwith. Porterhse (talk) 19:31, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Porterhse: You're welcome, I'm happy that I could help. It's a really interesting page — I like the pic of the Miller can with opening instructions. That's really funny, and a good example of why that collection is interesting and worthwhile. As you can see, somebody's asking to review the closure. That happens sometimes, but it very rarely changes the result, so don't worry about that either. :) Best wishes to you and your cans. — Toughpigs (talk) 20:10, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

A different thank you

Hello T. Thank you for all your work on the various Mapp and Lucia articles. I am wondering if it might be worth creating a navbox for them. Perhaps something along the lines of {{Strangers and Brothers}}. I'm not adept at starting them from scratch and if you aren't either - or if this doesn't interest you - no worries. Thanks again for your efforts and "Au Reservoir" :-) MarnetteD|Talk 18:07, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

MarnetteD: Thank you for the note, I appreciate it! I was molto surprised a few weeks ago to discover that the books didn't have individual pages. I'm not experienced with navboxes either, but I'll take a look at it. Au reservoir to you, dear one. — Toughpigs (talk) 18:21, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Your welcome T and have a pleasant weekend!. MarnetteD|Talk 18:24, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Citation Barnstar
	You are a consistent reference improver, building articles so that they are kept. Thank you. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:45, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate it! — Toughpigs (talk) 17:56, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Injustice League

I know you don’t edit on comic book character articles much. Though I am going to see if this is drafted and restored if possible. If you can help feel free to pitch in if possible.Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 23:05, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Jhenderson777, I did some searches, but I can't find any other coverage on the Injustice League than what's already on the article. Sorry I can't help more; thanks for asking. — Toughpigs (talk) 23:41, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Well I already found some. So I will do my best in my end then. Thanks for the try. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 23:42, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Jhenderson777: Cool, what did you find? Just curious. – Toughpigs (talk) 01:06, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

The draft is here. Sources are being laid out on the discussion page. Also Forever Evil related sources could be really helpful too. Since that is one of the groups major appearance storylines. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 01:18, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Marvel Comics characters

Separate from our previous discussion about Timely and Atlas characters. :) Just one for the moment, but Imperial Guard (comics) was recently rebuilt from scratch. I'm not worried that any reasonable admin will take the speedy deletion tag on it seriously, but since the tag has been there for a couple of days now, I figure it couldn't hurt to have more sources in case someone decides that it would be worth a second round at AFD, if you have anything that can help beef it up just a tad. BOZ (talk) 01:23, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi BOZ, I added a bit of info using The Legion Companion as a source. I hope that helps! — Toughpigs (talk) 02:53, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Since I noticed you guys taking about Atlas Comics. Do any of you guys think M-11 has potential for his own article since it seems like he is the only original Agents of Atlas who doesn’t have one? Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 14:56, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Please Stop Removing Info

I humbly ask that you stop removing info that is claimed to be true. Instead, just put a citation needed note, because it is an ongoing discussion that even some people that are not on Wikipedia claim to be true. You can't just remove someone's contribution and say that they are wrong, because you can't agree with them. LocalContributor281 (talk) 05:14, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

LocalContributor281: I absolutely can take out information that is not well sourced; in fact, we're supposed to do that. I have posted on the Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck talk pages, asking for the sources that you claim exist. Please participate in those discussions. — Toughpigs (talk) 05:15, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Newspapers.com

I've actually had that in the past. The real problem is that a lot of the most useful newspapers are actually in the "Publisher Extra" section, and unless something has changed since the last time I bothered to check on it, newspapers.com wasn't willing to give us free access to the Publisher Extra material — we could only have that if we were willing to pay out of pocket for it. So I found that it just lost usefulness and haven't bothered to renew it since, because without Publisher Extra I found it extremely rare that I could actually pull useful clippings anymore. Bearcat (talk) 17:04, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Bearcat: Ah, got it. I pay for my own subscription, so I didn't realize the Library version was not as helpful. Have a good day — Toughpigs (talk) 17:16, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

@Bearcat: TWL's access to Newspapers.com now includes Publisher Extra :) Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 10:31, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

@Samwalton9 (WMF): Hmm. Well, is there a way to double-check my account, then? Because I checked my Library settings, and it says my newspapers.com Library access is still active and current, but when I actually log into my newspapers.com account I only have "registered guest" access, and when I tried searching it for coverage of the films It Seemed Like a Good Idea at the Time and Find the Lady yesterday I couldn't actually view any of the articles. So there seems to be some kind of gap between what access I'm supposed to have and what kind of access I actually have — is there any way to fix that at all? Bearcat (talk) 13:54, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Fair use

Please don't upload images from fandom/blogs/etc. There is A LOT of fan art out there and it's really not that hard to find something official. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 08:34, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Alexis Jazz: They're not fan art; they're official pictures that happen to be hosted on a fan wiki. But I saw that you asked to undelete some of the pics that were over-written by the blocked user; that's a good idea. If there are any characters that still need images, I could take a screenshot or scan something from a comic. — Toughpigs (talk) 19:41, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

They're not fan art; they're official pictures that happen to be hosted on a fan wiki.

And you know this how? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 20:50, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Alexis Jazz: Okay. I'll scan some comics. Just so you know, "And you know this how" is not a polite way to speak to other editors. — Toughpigs (talk) 20:52, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

It's (very) skeptical, but can you blame me? I was baffled by your answer. I really have no clue how you could know it wasn't made by a user from DeviantArt or something. I have a fair bit of experience hunting down copyvios but I have no idea how you manage to detect something from Fandom is legit. If you really can detect that, I would love to know how. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 21:27, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Because I know what Disney art looks like, I know what fan art looks like, and I know how Fandom wikis work. I'm the co-creator of Muppet Wiki, and wiki encyclopedias don't use fan art to illustrate their main characters. You use screenshots and copyrighted material. And yes, you are expected to treat everyone with respect, even when they say something that sounds surprising. — Toughpigs (talk) 21:55, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Fan art can look like anything, including the original. There are some very talented artists out there. "wiki encyclopedias don't use fan art to illustrate their main characters" may be what they strive for, but the default will often be to just get something that looks nice and official from Google Images, though this will vary from one community to the next. Fandom doesn't seem to list image sources. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 22:36, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Alexis, this user has a good deal of relevant experience, and might have useful knowledge to impart. If you'd like to learn something, I'd suggest you rethink your line of questioning. (Personally, I'd like to learn from what they have to say.) But I'll step back, it's your discussion, not mine. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 06:11, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

@Peteforsyth: I'm not exactly a newbie either. Toughpigs "knows how Fandom wikis work". Well, here's an example I stumbled upon: https://mickeyclub.fandom.com/wiki/Donald_Duck. Looks official, right? And it is, well.. sorta. The original is from https://lol.disney.com/games/mickey-mouse-clubhouse-sticker-book (image link, yes, Disney uses Akamai, it's legit) The image on Fandom is mirrored. That's not acceptable for Wikipedia. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 12:31, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Permission to nominate?

Hello,

I know I promised in my talk page that I would not nominate any articles for deletion for the rest of this month. Well, I've come across several articles that are worth nominating (I even did a WP:BEFORE search on all of them). May I have your permission to nominate these articles for deletion or do you want me to wait until January? Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 22:47, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

On second thought, never mind. I'm gonna wait until January as promised. Please ignore the message. Thank you. Hitcher vs. Candyman (talk) 22:51, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Panchito

I could crop something from https://twitter.com/DonaldDuckNL/status/1082301567968129024 if you like. Or something else if you have something. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 14:11, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionTools update

Hi, Danny,

In case it wasn't obvious to you, the update that Editing's planning to mw:Extension:DiscussionTools will affect you. Since you (and I) are invoking the feature from a script, we're probably going to see that update as soon as the train arrives, before it's officially released in the mw:Beta Feature system. The new update will use a similar system for starting a ==New discussion==. As before, full-page wikitext editing should not be affected.

You don't have to do anything about this; I just didn't want you to be surprised or to assume that everyone else was seeing it. It'll likely affect about 50 editors across all wikis. Thanks, Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 22:17, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up, I appreciate it. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 04:40, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Erickson and African-American superhero

Hi. I've seen this edit you've done in Static Shock and I'm coming here to ask for your help. It was originally "the first time" based on Misiroglu and Roach book, which was published a year before the source you added by Erickson. To improve the article and make it as precise as possible (and since I don't have access to the book), could you let me know what was the first African-American superhero centered television? or if it was the second, third, etc. because I think a "few times" is quite vague. Any other information provided by the book on this topic is welcome. It's been quite a time since your edit, so I don't know if you may be able to help me, but if you can it would be great. Cheers, Gabriel Yuji (talk) 04:06, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@Gabriel Yuji: Erickson's book says: "Based on the Milestone Media/DC comic book by Dwayne McDuffie, WB's half hour Static Shock was one of the few animated series to feature a black superhero (though not the first such series, as was sometimes claimed)." Looking at List of black superheroes#Television, I see that Astrea was on Space Sentinels in 1977, Black Vulcan was on Super Friends in 1979, and Superstretch and Microwoman were on Tarzan and the Super 7 in 1979-1980. They weren't lead characters like Static is, but they did predate him by twenty years or so. :) I hope that helps! — Toughpigs (talk) 04:52, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

So, I see Erickson and Misiroglu are saying different things because Misiroglu states Static Shock was "the first television series with an African American supehero as it lead character". Erickson only affirms it is not the first "to feature a black superhero" and, as the examples you brought, there were others; but none one of them seem to be the de facto lead character. So, technically, it was not incorrect to say "It was the first time that an African-American superhero was the titular character of their own broadcast animation series". What do you think? I'm inclined to use the word "first" per Misiroglu and maybe I can add a note explaining that to be the first black lead character is not the same as being the first black character on a TV show (it is kind of confusing to the general reader like Parasite achievement of being the first non-English language film to win the Academy Award for Best Film). Gabriel Yuji (talk) 05:30, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

@Gabriel Yuji: Yes, you're right — the original sentence "It was the first time that an African-American superhero was the titular character of their own series" was correct. I didn't look into it closely enough when I made that edit. You can feel free to revert my edit, using the Misiroglu book as a source. I'm glad that you noticed and can correct my error. —  Toughpigs (talk) 05:56, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Ballad of Smokey the Bear (1966), The Leprechauns' Christmas Gold (1981), and Santa, Baby! (2001)

Happy New Year's Month. The year 2021 has conjuring up some of the magic of American-Japanese animation for the anniversaries of three of Rankin/Bass Animated Entertainment's television specials of all time: the 55th birthday of Ballad of Smokey the Bear, the 40th birthday of The Leprechauns' Christmas Gold, and the 20th birthday of Santa, Baby!. Anyway, I have improved the page of The Enchanted World of Danny Kaye by adding the list of songs in order and correcting its running time to show you that you can watch it without commercial breaks, and I need you to create the pages of those three Rankin/Bass productions. Don't forget this. While Santa, Baby! is traditionally animated, Ballad of Smokey the Bear and The Leprechauns' Christmas Gold were produced in stop motion animation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.46.130 (talk) 06:31, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't take requests. — Toughpigs (talk) 07:18, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Why, not? Last year, you created the pages for Rankin/Bass' few other productions: The Smokey Bear Show (1969–70), The Reluctant Dragon & Mr. Toad Show, and (on my wishes) The Enchanted World of Danny Kaye. Surely, we need to know about those other few television specials from the defunct New York City-based company. Like the Christmas special Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (1964), Ballad of Smokey the Bear, based on the United States Forest Service's Smokey Bear mascot, was a part of the General Electric Fantasy Hour on NBC in the United States, and its premiere date was November 24 (Thanksgiving Day in the United States), 1966. Directed by Larry Roemer and written by Joseph Schrank, the special features the voice of James Cagney as Smokey's older brother, Big Bear, who tells his two young cubs the story of their uncle. Tadahito Mochinaga was the "Animagic" technician for this special, since he was responsible for supervising the stop motion animation for The New Adventures of Pinocchio (1960–61), Willy McBean and his Magic Machine, The Daydreamer (1966) and Mad Monster Party?, at his MOM Production company in Tokyo. Celebrating its 40th anniversary all-year long, beginning on Saint Patrick's Day, will be The Leprechauns' Christmas Gold, with the voices of Art Carney, Peggy Cass, Robert McFadden, Ken Jennings, Gerry Matthews, Christine Mitchell, Glynis Bieg and Frankie Moronski; and the "Animagic" team of Akikazu Kono, Ichiro Komuro, Hiroshi Tabata, Seiichi Araki, Ryoji Takamori, Mituharu Hirata and Totetu Hirakawa. The rest of this television special's crew include the writer Romeo Muller, and the associate producers Masaki Iizuka and Lee Dannacher. The Leprechauns' Christmas Gold premiered on ABC (American Broadcasting Company) on December 23, 1981, the same day as the 5th-year return of Frosty's Winter Wonderland on the same network. And Rankin/Bass' final animated Christmas television special was Santa, Baby!, with African-American stars Patti LaBelle, Eartha Kitt, Gregory Hines, Vanessa L. Williams and Tom Joyner; and overseas animation studios Pacific Animation Corporation in Tokyo, Japan (headed by Masaki Iizuka) and Steven Hahn's Hanho Heung-Up in Seoul, South Korea. It aired on the Fox on December 17, 2001. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.173.46.130 (talk) 08:26, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I just don't have time to create any more pages right now. — Toughpigs (talk) 03:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

The Rhythmettes

Happy 2021 to you (I hope yours is!). So... After an AfD on the Wizard of Oz piece "Optimistic Voices," I researched and just created an article on The Rhythmettes, who did some singing and voicework in 1930s films, including some Silly Symphonies and The Wizard of Oz. I only wrote what I could cite and that wasn't a whole lot (there's more info out there, including on Wikipedia, but citations are insufficient). This is a little out of my area (for this era, I'm mostly MGM and Warner), and you're the only one (my Tigger, if you will) I know who might have a more familiar eye that might see something to clarify, add, etc., especially re: the Disney work. Two heads are better than one when one of them is yours! No pressure. Thanks! Good weekend to you! --DiamondRemley39 (talk) 01:09, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

@DiamondRemley39: Hey, thanks for the message. Well done on the Rhythmettes page, it's really cool to see it. I did find one book on the making of The Wizard of Oz that listed the other two tracks the Rhythmettes recorded for the film, so I added that to the page. I don't see anything else in my Disney books except for the Silly Symphonies book that you've already found. I'll see if I can think of anything else, but I'm glad that I can add a little to the page. — Toughpigs (talk) 06:43, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

What great additions you made! Glad to see what else they did for Wizard. Thank you! Imagine the sources we'd have if they had been able to market themselves instead of keeping that low profile! :) --DiamondRemley39 (talk) 23:21, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Byomkesh Bakshi

Hello @Toughpigs:. How are you? Would you please upload the photo of the cover of the book, ব্যোমকেশ সমগ্র? Thanks...--Sudipto Surjo (talk) 04:00, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks and more thanks

Hello T. Thanks for your editing here at the 'pedia and an even bigger THANKS for your Muppet website. I found it after learning that the show finally made its way to Disney+. There is so much wonderful info there and I have sent links to it to several friends. I hope you've already seen this article by Paul Williams. In it he calls the Muppets his "felt family". I've been a part of that family since the days I eagerly looked forward to each weeks episode of The Jimmy Dean Show just to see Rowlf play the piano. Again kudos for your wonderful website. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 20:09, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: Thank you! I'm really happy that you like the site. It's great to see you here. :) Toughpigs (talk) 00:35, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Curious

Hi, I’m new to Wiki editing. I read some back and forth with you and Adamant1. I recently had a talk with that person about my edits. I’m trying to update the Candle wick article but Adamant1 is reversing the updates. I think I understand why after reviewing that person’s talk with you. 😞 ENieves1 (talk) 23:31, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Robert April

I expanded this a bit, but notability still appears rather borderline. Anything you can throw in it to help? Also ping User:BOZ. Despite what some may think, I'd rather save it without AfD, and if this looks borderline to me... well, you know. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:58, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

For your listening pleasure

Hello T. I heard this yesterday and thought you would appreciate it. It's 17 minutes long so save it for when you can savor it. While I'm here I have to thank you and your website for introducing me to Slim Gaillard (Cement Mixer) :-) How I lived this long without encountering him defies logic. He has at least as much fun at the piano as Chico Marx and Victor Borge and then he picks up his guitar. What a joy. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 15:19, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Idea for an article: Manny (Ice Age)

So while I tend to suggest articles for deletion, I just stumbled up the fact that Manny (Ice Age) never had an article - but seems to be subject of some decent gender studies analysis here: [11]. Just in case you'd like to work on this. Or ping someone else who might. This one may be notable, for a change (someone tried to write him up before but without sources, pure plot summary, that was boldy redirected quickly...). Ps. Unfortunately a bit more digging [12] suggests this ebook is a product of master-level students, so may not be very reliable... what do you think? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:49, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

"Christmas tape" geography

In relation to your 25 July 2020 edit on the Christmas tape article (your reason stating Christmas tapes as "specifically about a British tradition"), would you accept YouTube videos of other countries' Christmas tapes as "evidence (of being) shared in other countries"?

One such example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zggF9kwErag covered GTV 9 Melbourne's Christmas tapes prepared in 1968 and 1969.

Brichards85 (talk) 01:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Following up on my above note, would you accept YouTube links as proof of Christmas tapes happening outside of the UK? Additional example - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFWa7w543iw Brichards85 (talk) 02:29, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Brichards85, I don't have any particular ownership of that page. It looks like people have already been adding content since my 2020 edit relating to Christmas tapes in Australia and the US. You can feel free to edit the page any way that you like, with my best wishes. Toughpigs (talk) 02:34, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Big new project

I just started User:BOZ/Marvel deletions today - by the summer it will look a bit more like User:BOZ/DnD deletions.  ;) BOZ (talk) 22:06, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Been expanding that and growing it regularly! I'm not sure how many of these articles have a second shot at life, but I'm sure that some of them will. :) BOZ (talk) 16:13, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Canvas?

What? "Canvas"? What are you talking about? DS (talk) 03:10, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

"Canvas" is a term that's sometimes used to describe what's included in long-running serialized narrative. I'm sorry that you don't like the way that I phrased those sentences. Toughpigs (talk) 03:31, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

I made edits to the article to remove those words. Let me know if there's anything else that I can do to help you. Toughpigs (talk) 03:33, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

RE: Wikimedia

I saw that you director of projects at Wikimedia. Who could I contact about a serious problem I had discovered at Wikimedia? Starlighsky (talk) 21:25, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I think you should leave a message at User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF). They'll be able to help you. Toughpigs (talk) 05:03, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Starlighsky (talk) 14:25, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Signature

Hello and thank you for your work at Afds. You forgot to sign your comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alas Pati: Hutan Mati. I could have fixed it, I know, but I found it perhaps a little nicer to leave you this note. Best, -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:53, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh! Silly of me. Thanks for letting me know! Toughpigs (talk) 18:55, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Toughpigs. Thank you for your work on Trouble for Lucia. Ike9898, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Nice work!

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Ike9898}}. Please remember to sign your reply with ~~~~. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

Ike9898 (talk) 19:38, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@Ike9898: Thank you, I appreciate it! Toughpigs (talk) 19:45, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Nice work! on Trouble for Lucia article. Thank you.

Dcotos (talk) 20:04, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Dcotos! Toughpigs (talk) 21:46, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Fixed my typo - thank you

Hey Toughpigs, I just wanted to send a quick thank-you note for fixing my reply under Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Companion (Doctor Who) a couple days ago (simply by removing a colon before the bullet point so that it wasn't indented). I've only very recently been getting into editing beyond very casual copyediting and your fix helped me when I made the same mistake again just now. Cheers! Irltoad (talk) 15:56, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi Irltoad, I'm glad that I could help! Here's another tip, if you're not aware: there's a button that says (thank) next to entries on history pages, diff pages and your watchlist, so if you want to quickly thank somebody for a good edit, you can click that and they'll get a little message. But obviously a personal message is even nicer! Cheers, Toughpigs (talk) 16:02, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip! I had actually seen that before but couldn't find it on this occasion - my eyes must have skimmed over it. Thanks for letting me know where to find it for future reference. Irltoad (talk) 16:21, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit on Bearly Asleep

Why you undo my edit on Bearly Asleep? what do you mean by not an improvement? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.113.159.27 (talk) 00:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

The sentences that you added are not correct English grammar. For example, "That angers Donald who throws glass at him who scream at them "Quiet!!"" is not understandable in English. Toughpigs (talk) 00:37, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see. hmm, maybe we can keep it and improves the grammar. I am still learning on how to improve grammar. What do you suggest on how I can improve my grammar. 75.113.159.27 (talk) 02:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I made some more changes to the description that address some of the things you wanted to do. I don't know if I can help you with your grammar. Are you in school? Toughpigs (talk) 02:51, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I am 17, but I am still thanking you for using the description I wanted to do. I am going to improve grammar. Also, one thing to add. Angry, Donald yells at Humphrey to be quiet, and returns to his house, grumbling about the bears. In the cave, Humphrey starts snoring, and the other bears kick him out. add throw cup of glass at him. so it can be like this Angry, Donald throw a cup of glass at Humphrey. Donald yells at the bears to be quiet, and returns to his house, grumbling about the bears. In the cave, Humphrey starts snoring, and the other bears kick him out. 75.113.159.27 (talk) 03:00, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I added a note about the glass. Toughpigs (talk) 03:01, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Everybody make a mistake, like in grammar. 75.113.159.27 (talk) 03:07, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I found the source to confirm Lydia Edward's birthday.

Here is the link: Sen. Lydia Edwards’s Celebrates Birthday in Eastie With Community Members – East Boston Times-Free Press (eastietimes.com)

It said December 13 meaning Lydia Edwards turned 42 in 2023.

Happy Late Birthday to Lydia Edwards! 75.113.159.27 (talk) 05:25, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Can you please add Progressivism and Democratic Socialism to the ideology of Spainish Socialist Workers' Party? I am having trouble with it, so will you please add the two? Thank you! I tried to add these two, but it goes off. 75.113.159.27 (talk) 12:36, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Can you edit The Barn Dance page again.

To Remove the poster, because it won't be Public Domain until 2025. Hjajajsbbxb12 (talk) 20:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I added a comment in this discussion on the talk page. We should discuss this as a group on the talk page, rather than revert the article back and forth. We don't want to have an edit war about this. Toughpigs (talk) 20:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

The Short is not in the Public Domain yet, it stays copyrighted until January 1, 2025. Hjajajsbbxb12 (talk) 20:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

@Hjajajsbbxb12 Nobody has added the short film into the article. Your point is moot. The poster is in the public domain and its copyright has nothing to do with that of the film, which expires on 1 January. You've been repeatedly told this and still won't cease to push your incorrect point of view. Bedivere (talk) 20:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, that poster is not very interesting, and I'm not sure why people are fighting over it. If it's exactly the same as an image that's used on another page, then it doesn't add anything new to the reader's understanding of the topic. I think that the screenshot that I uploaded is a better representation of the topic anyway. Toughpigs (talk) 20:47, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

According to IMDB, The Barn Dance is from 1929, So it won't be Public Domain until January 1, 2025. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0018675/ Hjajajsbbxb12 (talk) 20:55, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Let's talk about it on the talk page, not my user talk. It's best to keep this conversation in one place. Toughpigs (talk) 20:57, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Antisemitism

This user Allan Nonymous has a long list of articles about Israel to delete without providing a clear reason why. Be that the user is a Antisemitism where can I report these intolerable attitudes. --Acartonadooopo (talk) 18:43, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Acartonadooopo: Allan Nonymous is making strange choices about which articles to nominate for deletion. I understand why it feels annoying to you. BUT: DO NOT ACCUSE HIM OF BEING ANTI-SEMITIC. You can think that if you want, but if you say it on Wikipedia, there is a very good chance that you will be banned for violating the policy called No personal attacks. You will not be able to argue the case for keeping these articles if you're blocked. Toughpigs (talk) 18:57, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Toughpigs The articles about Israel proposed by the user Allan Nonymous to delete are: Israel–Hamas war in Israeli music, Maor Ashkenazi, Noam's Song 2, and Noam Bettan (where it does not recognize the musical notoriety of the artist and previously added a template to delete) All these examples raise the alarm of a possible Anti-Israel subject and possible Antisemitism at first I thought it was a persecution of me and my contributions that I make so that the user stops monitoring my articles and contributions and not having more bullfighting with that guy HELP.--Acartonadooopo (talk) 19:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I am trying to help you on those AfDs, which I agree are pretty obviously notable subjects.

But I can't be any more clear than this: DO NOT ACCUSE HIM OF BEING ANTI-SEMITIC. You will likely be blocked if you keep doing that. Please never do that again. Just focus on the articles. Toughpigs (talk) 19:08, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

And apart from that he accuses me of harassment when he is affecting all my articles with these deletion queries and if you see the list it also seems to include projects by Palestinian rappers to delete. In the last few hours I received 3 lists of articles to delete where you don't even see the sources that helped create those articles, it is simply deleted by PROMO but only to my articles and others. I request a distancing from said user towards my contributions and creations. I'm exhausted yesterday I tried to improve Noam Bettan's article and I feel like it's for fun, I know they're going to delete it sadly. --Acartonadooopo (talk) 19:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

It's always scary and sad when your article is put up for deletion, especially after you've added so many sources. I've responded on the discussions for Maor Ashkenazi and Israel-Hamas war in Israeli music, pointing out sources that I think are valid. I'm not sure if the nominator is evaluating the Hebrew sources or not.

Other people will also look at these nominations and vote Keep. I think these are going to be okay. The best thing for you to do right now is to leave the nominator alone, and let the process continue. Complaining on people's talk pages will not help. Being patient and leaving it alone will help. Toughpigs (talk) 19:23, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your opinion on this. Must also have to be aware of the other articles that I was creating Gal Adam, Yoshi (musician) has not templated it yet, Thanks for your advice, Wikipedia is a collaborative place--Acartonadooopo (talk) 19:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Excuse me, could you give a review, linguistic cleaning to the article Noam Bettan, my English is not the most fluent and I tend to confuse many abbreviations and words. --Acartonadooopo (talk) 20:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

• User talk:Allan Nonymous Warn the user to stay away from my contributions and my discussion page, that if he stays away the user cannot understand that I do not want any approach from him towards me.--Acartonadooopo (talk) 21:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

  He has already withdrawn his nomination for Israel-Hamas war in Israeli music, and it looks like he'll withdraw his nomination for Shabjdeed. Your work is being preserved, and built upon. This is a good thing.

  But - you need to be patient, and let the process continue. Do not make this a personal battle between you and another user. Blanking the page for Noam Bettan was a bad idea. Complaining about people trying to delete your page is a bad idea. You're feeling this so strongly right now that it's making you lash out, and do things that will not help your case. Please try to step away from the keyboard for a while, and be patient. Toughpigs (talk) 22:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

• I understand, I already got a little frustrated, but I managed to stay calm for a moment. The problem with these page elimination nominators is, as you say, they do not consult the Hebrew sources nor have they even realized that there are sources in English. Furthermore, they do not know the Hebrew war songs, the Israeli musical artists, the annexes that house relevant information such as the songs during the Iron Sword War, or failing that Palestinian singers, rappers and initiatives and instead Clicking on the links to understand the topic does not do it. and what they do most automatically (I would say is template for deletion) Deletion nominators must make a brief consultation before issuing an opinion judgment In any case, I am very grateful for your attention and dedication, because I feel that you have understood my work, others underestimate it. But you are compassionate, kind, understanding, and even helpful, far from the ego that many cover themselves with. thank you so much for help me. Acartonadooopo (talk) 00:03, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you for the kind words. I agree with you that nominators can sometimes be dismissive, especially dealing with articles about cultures that they're not familiar with. I think you've been adding excellent citations to articles, which is very helpful. If you keep calm, and continue adding good references, you'll find that most of your additions will stay on Wikipedia. Toughpigs (talk) 00:53, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

PROMO Noam Bettan

How to write this article Noam Bettan, so that it doesn't look so PROMO?

My command of English is not excellent, I want to find a tutor who knows how to neutralize this article. I have faith that it can be saved. --Acartonadooopo (talk) 02:47, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, I can tell you some places where it sounds like it's not neutral.

• The "style" section sounds like it's congratulating him: "His use of the Franco-Israeli language is characterized by being playful, using alliteration and rhyme to create a unique style." Every singer uses alliteration and rhyme, it's not unique.
• There's also the line "It's been half a year since the last song was released, and in this half year I found myself mostly searching for myself, for the words" -- with no quotes around it, or sense of where that line comes from.
• Also, that whole section is supported by a video the singer posted on Facebook. That's not a good source.
• There are three places where it says the first single "was successful on streaming networks", the other singles "were also successful," and then another song "performed well on streaming services and social media". You don't say what "successful" means. Everything is "successful on streaming networks".
• "Kopelman and Bettan little by little improved the track until they took the 'jackpot' with the song Doll". Every musician improves their track little by little. Calling it a "jackpot" with no source sounds like you're congratulating them.
• "There is no better feeling than creating music with the people you love." Where does that line come from? Why does it have four references? That is true for every musician.
• "The song entered at number 183 with approximately 36,811 plays on January 12, 2023" -- Is that supposed to be impressive? Every song gets some plays on streaming, and 36,000 doesn't sound like a lot.

I've been very supportive of the other articles you've worked on, because I think you've found great sources for those subjects. But this one seems like you're trying to pump up a singer that doesn't have good sources yet. I know that you believe in this page, and that's hard to hear. Toughpigs (talk) 03:11, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I relied on this source that narrates his life from its beginnings, its beginnings https://theselected.walla.co.il/item/3434789 This singer has 157K listeners on Spotify I would say that Nathan Goshen is his role model and inspiration and remains very relevant in the Israeli scene, which is why I think he is not very well known in America. In addition, I have visualized artists with fewer lines and they retain their Wikipedia entry but that is my visualization. It is true that it would not be seen like that in the West. Now, in order to maintain their relevance more securely, they have to appear on the Billboard lists driven by the 50 most Viral of TikTok rather, be a viral and biased product. but here on Wikipedia I have seen artists who have very little scene in the music industry, but they maintain an encyclopedic entry Now lastly I noticed a lot of PROMO but if I took it all away there would be nothing left of the article and it would not be saved due to lack of notoriety. Acartonadooopo (talk) 03:37, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, I see that you've created a number of articles about Israeli singers recently: Noam Bettan, Yoshi, Sasson Ifram Shaulov, Gal Adam and Maor Ashkenazi. I think the other four are strong pages; Noam Bettan is the weakest.

If taking out the "promo" from Noam Bettan means that there's nothing left, then maybe we just shouldn't have that article right now. Wait until he's done more work, and had more coverage in national news. Toughpigs (talk) 03:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

It could be, too. I want to be inspired again by the article by Ron Nesher, a very well-known rapper in Israel to try to make it as similar as possible. He does not have many lines but the PROMO of his albums, songs or musical beginnings is not eliminated, in fact that is the forte of a musical artist. Acartonadooopo (talk) 03:57, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

• Promo removed Noam Bettan. I know it's not relevant at all but I was inspired by rapper Ron Nesher article.Acartonadooopo (talk) 04:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Apparently the user who proposes deletion left and right admitted his actions, but my question is the article Maor Ashkenazi and Noam's Song 2 are really a candidate for deletion Note that in the article Noam's Song 2 I put an additional maintenance template, this is very unpleasant on the part of that user who nominated the article for deletion and also placed another issue for me, and also does not respond to my requests regarding that template, I think I made the improvements and notified you but it doesn't seem to delete your template On the other hand, I feel calmer that they are realizing that the user who proposes mass elimination of articles "is wasting a lot of users' time" trying to save something that he involved us in. Acartonadooopo (talk) 05:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Be patient; everything is working out fine. Those nominations are still active for a week, unless the nominator withdraws them. Toughpigs (talk) 05:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Another problem with this user is that he adds these warning templates and when I feel that he has fixed the problem and I go to his discussion page (to withdraw it or request clarification) the user does not respond and only limits himself to add it and that's it, that's also another problem on his part towards me and I have to imagine that towards other Wikipedia users. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Noam%27s_Song_2&diff=prev&oldid=1217666236&title=Noam%27s_Song_2&diffonly=1

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Noam_Bettan&diff=prev&oldid=1217089905&title=Noam_Bettan&diffonly=1 Acartonadooopo (talk) 05:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Keep calm, and don't bother talking to him. It doesn't help, and it just makes you more upset. :) Toughpigs (talk) 05:51, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

The user admits that many of the erroneous nominations are due to his life condition (Autism) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Noam%27s_Song_2&diff=prev&oldid=1217711377&title =Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FNoam%27s_Song_2&diffonly=1 The mistakes he has made seem more personal than simple mistakes. Acartonadooopo (talk) 17:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Most of the nominations are being withdrawn, which is good! Your work is being respected. I'm not sure about Noam Bettan, because there are a number of people voting delete, but the other pages appear to be just fine. Toughpigs (talk) 17:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

You're also doing a good job on taking the PROMO material out of Maor Ashkenazi. It's nice to see your progress as an editor. Toughpigs (talk) 17:47, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Yogev Glossman

Hello, can you give a spell check to the article Yogev Glossman.Acartonadooopo (talk) 02:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I made some edits. Part of the last sentence is gone, it just says "song after receiving permission from the family." I wasn't sure how to fix that. Toughpigs (talk) 02:48, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much, the situation in the last few hours in Israel has been very tense but we are moving forward despite the adversities, thank you very much for the wikification, I am aware that a couple of references would give it more verifiability. Acartonadooopo (talk) 02:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, could you help me give Avi Aburomi a linguistic review?. --Acartonadooopo (talk) 20:16, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi

So I can't nominate those articles for deletion since I don't have an account, but I requested Ultraman Belial and Ultraman Tregear on WT:AFD. Nobody has done it yet, but I thought I'd tell someone. 50.113.53.158 (talk) 23:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Why don't you create an account? It would make it easier for people to communicate with you. Toughpigs (talk) 23:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

I am 16 and my parents are unsure about it. 50.113.53.158 (talk) 23:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Then maybe deleting and redirecting articles isn't a good use of your time. Why not try adding information to articles? Toughpigs (talk) 23:47, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

The Great Wealth Transfer (United States)

I pinged you because you edited the page, but you can decide simply not to participate in its talkpage. Regards, RodRabelo7 (talk) 21:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd forgotten that I'd made an edit there. :) Unfortunately, I don't have anything to say about the content — my edit was minor. I hope you get answers from the other people! Toughpigs (talk) 21:51, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Are you sure Mite is correct?

A few sentences before my correction, the article clearly says: Bat-Mite (or "Might")

And then proceeds to refer to the character over the next two paragraphs as Might four times, Bat-Mite once, and Mite only once, and names him as Mite nowhere else in the entire article. (Barring the Dark Mite Falls.)

I even found online versions of Batman 672-676, but I don't see him named at all, in one reading of those issues. Sfeldon (talk) 05:42, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh, sorry! You're correct. I reverted my change. Toughpigs (talk) 15:58, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for being open to discuss it. :) Sfeldon (talk) 16:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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