Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Longball (sport)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete, with comments from single-purpose accounts considered. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 15:39, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Longball (sport)

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Wikipedia is not for something made up one day. This article is about a completely non-notable game played at a single school. Based on the reading of the article, it's likely the entire thing is a prank being played by the members of the school. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 23:01, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Delete. Agree with nominator. --Fang Aili ^talk 23:44, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 01:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
• Delete, made up sport. RFerreira (talk) 02:13, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
• Delete - The first five words of the article is all I needed to see to confirm my suspicions that it was made up one day. DitzyNizzy (aka Jess)|(talk to me)|(What I've done) 10:19, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
• KeepYou can't delete Longball. This sport is part of a culture which you can verify through our sauces and Facebook page. On occasion Wikipedia users immaturely edit this page but I would assume this would happen with all other pages. As soon as these silly comments are found they are immediately edited out. Long ball is indeed a made up sport but how have all other sports been originated? Where would soccer be today if it had been dismissed long ago as a "made up sport". Humanity would lose the culture and all these things which this sport has contributed. Longball is fast growing, it has a strong and evolving culture and i would hope that Wikipedia would support this new sport trying to leave its grass roots and gain exposure in the wider community. I hope you will take this into account rather than just read five words and make your judgments. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Olig12345 (talk • contribs) 11:13, 19 February 2010 (UTC) — Olig12345 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. (just thought I should point that out.)
• Delete "You can't delete Longball." Oh yes, we can. Cricket and golf would not have been accorded articles until they achieved notability - by Wikipedia standards - had we been around when someone made them up. When there's evidence in reliable sources (please, not sauces - messy...), an article may be merited. "i would hope that Wikipedia would support this new sport trying to leave its grass roots" - Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, and as such records and does not promote. As yet non-notable unless some very good independent reliable references are forthcoming. Peridon (talk) 13:03, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
• Keep Your arguments have presented some valid points, however, it is in our greatest interest to recognize these accusations and improve our page. It is understandable that you may see a lack of validity, however our focus is towards this issue and further links, references and soon to be posted pictures are forthcoming to Longball. As a community we feel a certain importance to expand this fast growing sport which has already spread throughout other schools (not only Carey). In addition to this, competitions are held daily with scoring and umpiring systems included. We are merely asking for your support towards it's development. We apologize if there is inappropriate or unproductive content on the page and we are doing everything in our ability to confront this issue. Before jumping to conclusions please consider the communities love and passion for the sport and again, please understand that it is in the peoples greatest interest to acknowledge your claims and further develop our page, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pete Nico (talk • contribs) 11:36, 20 February 2010 (UTC) — Pete Nico (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Reply A very eloquent argument, but pointless. Wikipedia has standards of notablity; they are listed here. "Longball" fails to meet these standards. The case is fairly cut and dried. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:41, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

• Keep Hello, I was notified by several members of my community of this conflict. Many have asked me to speak up, many families outraged by the proposed deletion of the article. After reading through the current argument, I believe that it is evident that the Longball page should stay. After analyzing several different aspects, I believe that the proposed deletion of this page is biased and unfair. It is evident that there has been a huge amount of ongoing effort to keep the page alive. I understand that there have been several occasions of people defacing our work on wikipedia, but we assure you, we are tending to that matter. Now as Dan stated earlier, this game has no "reliable sources". A quick search has shown that several pages on wikipedia still exists with no reliable sources, for example, Keep Away, another made up game. What makes this game more respectable than ours? I see no list of inaugural teams, origins, or for that matter many subjects the Longball page does cover. There have also been rumors of companies looking to sponsor our club. It is blatantly obvious that if you were to delete the Longball page, you may as well delete the keep away, or hide and seek, or even the completely theoretical big bang article, because in the end, none bar our page has a reliable community to actually prove it exists.58.175.232.148 (talk) 06:26, 22 February 2010 (UTC) — 58.175.232.148 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Big BangI agree with the above. The Big Bang is largely a theory based claim, and there is no solid evidance that proves God was not the creator of the universe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.20.224 (talk) 06:51, 22 February 2010 (UTC) — 58.161.20.224 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Keep When i was told that there were people who refused to acknowledge that longball fall a real sport i was horrified. i have spent much time training in the hope of one day becoming a longball player once the game gets off its feet, and to have people not only tell me that what i spend a major part of my life doing isn't real but to try and make it so that longball will never become a 'major' sport is just terrible. just because you haven't heard about the sport dosen't mean it dosen't exist. go to china and ask about AFL and they won't have a clue what your talking about. Longball is one of the greatest sports in the world and should definitely be kept on wikipedia. at the moment it may not be big but with time i think it will become just as prestiges as any other sport. people should not try and take something that is very important to many people and destroy it just because they don't know of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jer11cho (talk • contribs) 07:17, 22 February 2010 (UTC) — Jer11cho (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

To whom it may concern, the reason of this message is concerning your views on LongBall which is a real sport, and a very existing and competitive team sport. We are simply trying to make people aware of this game as I believe that they would benefit from its character building attributes. If this letter does not satisfy you I, an ambassador of LongBall invite you to a training match on Friday the 25th from 12:35 till 1:20. The venue is the original and birth place of LongBall, Carey Baptist Grammar School Kew, Melbourne, VIC. The court is closest to the drop off entrance. Please note we have had a few problems with unauthorized editing of the LongBall page and are considering legal action, however we have a busy training schedule. It would be very much appreciated if you could join us this Friday and withdraw your comments as a lot of time and effort has being put in to this website. Many Thanks, Guiney —Preceding unsigned comment added by GUINEY115 (talk • contribs) 10:42, 22 February 2010 (UTC) — Guiney115 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Delete - Not a speck of coverage in reliable sources to establish this as anything more than a local game made up in a school yard. -- Whpq (talk) 17:10, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
• Reply Sorry Whpq, as stated earlier, Longball is a victim to redundant and completely unnecessary comments; and if possible, try to ignore them. Instead - if you are interested in our deletion - read the objections prepared by either me or user 58.175.232.148, thanks. Pete Nico (talk) 09:44, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Reply - I have read the objections. I've read the article, and the preceding discussion, and conducted my own research. The article fails to meet Wikipedia's inclusion guidelines. -- Whpq (talk) 10:36, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
• Reply That is understood, however, why does Wikipedia fail to delete other articles lacking inclusion guidelines? For example - Keep Away; a game missing many qualities of our own, yet addressed by Wikipedia to simply improve its information. This is precisely what we are asking for, only are held back by biased and unfair opinions. Pete Nico (talk) 11:30, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Reply - Please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. That other article may or may not meet the inclusion guidelines so its existence on wikipedia isn't really relevant to this discussion. If it doesn't meet the inclusion guidelines, then somebody will eventually nominate it for deletion. -- Whpq (talk) 12:14, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
• Reply Whpq, your argument is inadequate; stating that somebody will "eventually" nominate it for deletion means nothing. If I were to say to my boss, I will "eventually" complete this assignment, I'm sure he wouldn't take that as an excuse. This is no different and I still strongly believe that your arguments are based on biased and single-minded opinions. In addition to this, I clearly stated that 'Keep Away' does not meet the inclusion guidelines yet you support your argument on whether it may or may not include these guidelines. Maybe if you had bothered to research it you would understand that it is indeed relevant to this discussion. Try not to take this as an insult, but just a way of saying you're not being fair. Pete Nico (talk) 09:18, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
  • Reply - If you feel strongly that the other article also doesn't meet inclusion criteria, you are welcome to nominate it for deletion as well. But as I said, we are not debating the merits of othrer articles, we are debating the merits of the article on longball. All of those who have been arguing for keeping of the article have not been able to produce any reliable sources covering this sport. This is fundamental, and no amount of people voting to support it can overcome it.
• Reply It seems that despite what I say, you manage to find a way to completely demoralize my argument and find a way to work around it. Then you write the same typical responses. Arguing with you is as pointless as walking around in circles. Pete Nico (talk) 08:41, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
• Delete Delete this motherfucking scummy page. Useless fucking page about a stupid fucking invented by random people, just like every other sport was! Just because there is no difference between the acceptance of Longball to Keep away or even the bigbang, delete this. even though the quality and precision of the article is immaculate, just delete it as we are a biased

community!220.253.203.29 (talk) 06:14, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

• ReplyI would watch your language young man. Wikipedia is a page for people of all ages and your language is highly offensive. I think you will also discover that most pages and concepts were inventer by "random people" so i fail to see the logic of your argument.
• Delete Nutrients in apricots can help protect the heart and eyes, as well as provide the disease-fighting effects of fiber. The high beta-carotene content of apricots makes them important heart health foods. Beta-carotene helps protect LDL cholesterol from oxidation, which may help prevent heart disease. Apricots are a good source of fiber, which has a wealth of benefits including preventing constipation and digestive conditions such as diverticulosis. But most Americans get less than 10 grams of fiber per day. A healthy, whole foods diet should include apricots as a delicious way to add to your fiber intake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.21.210 (talk) 08:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
• Reply This argument has no relevence to the topic i wonder why it was posted on this page perhaps the wrong web page address was typed into the browser.
• Delete No reliable sources found in news or web searches and limited regional influence so fails WP:GNG. VernoWhitney (talk) 14:43, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

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