Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2008 March 4
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The result was speedy delete under G4. The article is almost completely the same as the version that was deleted by the last AfD. seresin | wasn't he just...? 02:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nicole Wray's fourth studio album[edit]
- Nicole Wray's fourth studio album (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
It is a recreation of a previosuly deleted page per Afd (See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicole Wray's fourth studio album). As the page is not substantially identical to the version of the page that was deleted, it may not be deleted per CSD G4. It still fails WP:CRYSTAL and WP:MUSIC for albums, besides having sources like myspace and youtube. Victao lopes (talk) 21:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Please tell me what is wrong with this article page before it gets deleted. Nicolefan (talk) 21:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as nom and original afd discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicole Wray's fourth studio album. Cloudz679 (talk) 22:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep unless you want me to place it under a new name.
- Comment: You mean, the page? OK, do it. Unless you rewrite it so it follow our guidelines, it will be deleted, just the same. Can't you just wait until the album is released? Btw, remember to sings your posts with ~~~~~ (four tildes). Victao lopes (talk) 22:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Yes, but before its deleted can you move it to my page, so i can experiment and reeditt the information. So when I make a change on the page, i contact you to see if it's okay to reveal. Nicolefan (talk) 01:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: You can create the page here (if it gets deleted). However, I still believe that before the album is released and asserts notability per WP:MUSIC, the page will be still a candidate for deletion. When the album is released, it may chart or receive major media exposure. Then, it may assert notability. Victao lopes (talk) 01:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. --Bongwarrior (talk) 01:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ricky Dominguez[edit]
- Ricky Dominguez (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Despite being tagged more than once for notability, someone keeps removing that tag without adding material to establish notability. Per WP:NN and WP:BIO:
Self-promotion, autobiography, and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopedia article. The published works should be someone else writing independently about the topic. The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the topic itself have actually considered the topic notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works of their own that focus upon it. Otherwise, someone could give their own topic as much notability as they want by simply expounding on it outside of Wikipedia, which would defeat the purpose of the concept. Also, neutral sources should exist in order to guarantee a neutral article can be written — self-promotion is not neutral (obviously).
The "Selected filmography" isn't at all selected. It contains every role mentioned on IMDB, which itself isn't considered a reliable source. The problem with the roles on IMDB is that they were, with one exception, so trivial that the character didn't even have a name, just a description. The Nip/Tuck and the Judy's Got a Gun roles are both "Highschool student" on IMDB. The Stan credit is listed as "Party Guest." Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip is an "orderly." The Hell on Earth role was "student" while the Viva Laughlin role was "Hot Guy." There is no listing on the IMDB name page, or on the Journeyman page or subsequent episode pages, for this person to establish that he in fact appeared on the show. In fact, the only named role listed was in a now 6 year old appearance on Malcolm in the Middle, as "Brian".
Appearances in training videos and local television commercials are not notable and unverifiable. The YouTube videos for which he is supposedly "best known" are self-created and self-posted, while there is nothing beyond self-promoting websites mentioned in Google searches. A search conducted on the kidzbop website for the name "Ricky Dominguez" produces no results, even if that was sufficient to establish notability; any work done there appears to be uncredited voice work for webcast animation, if he appears there at all. These factors do not make notability, not by any stretch of the definition. Someone keeps adding in contact and agent information. This article exists as a promotional page for an unknown aspiring actor who, at this time, does not meet the criteria for notability. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No notability whatsoever; just a few minor apperances and self made YouTube apperances. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 00:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom, fails WP:BIO, no major acting roles. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 00:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete An aspiring actor with a few credits to his name isn't notable. Pinkadelica (talk) 03:39, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Not notable yet. Alberon (talk) 09:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- flaccid Keep ...oh give the kid a chance. --emerson7 19:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It's not our job to give the kid a chance. It's only our job to write articles about persons whose chance has been realized. It's kind of a "we report the news, we don't make it" thing. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Although I nominated the article for deletion, I thought I should enter my opinion on the existence of the page. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Some decent arguments for deletion, but the weight of consensus is to keep. An easier close now that the article has improved.--Kubigula (talk) 19:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
One Wachovia Center (Charlotte, North Carolina)[edit]
- One Wachovia Center (Charlotte, North Carolina) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Delete no indication that this building is notable, 3rd highest in a mid-sized city really doesn't cut it, and if kept it needs a major clean-up from what appears to be a phonetic attempt at Southern US English - "Refrance" for "Reference".... Carlossuarez46 (talk) 23:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Gets a lot of hits, but nothing seems to assert notability. It's just another office tower. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Mid size city! Charrlotte is one of the fastest growing cities in America. Also you are saying that B0ston, Seattle, and Washington are mid sized cities to (by city limits). It also has a bigger metro than Nashville. If the Wachovia Center in Winston-Salem at around 450ft deserves an article, why doesent this? Oh, and i fixed the Reference.Alaskan assassin (talk) 00:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 00:31, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I've looked and looked, and other than what appears to be a pretty minor award that doesn't appear to have anything to do with architecture, I see no sign of any particular notability. Even the property manager can't come up with anything to say in the that light, and if they can't who can? Mangoe (talk) 00:40, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I came across this when I was new change patrolling and AA had just started it...it started me on a voyage to attempt to make sense of the seemingly endless number of buildings/companies/sports arenas wich Wachovia in the name. I would suggest we keep it only to help people who are also trying to figure out what's what. I've tried to make sense of the various entries on WP here: Wachovia (disambiguation) Legotech·(t)·(c) 00:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Probably non-notable MalwareSmarts (talk) 01:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, third-tallest building in the 20th largest US city is a respectable claim to notability, I think. According to Emporis, it was the tallest in all of North Carolina for a few years. Zagalejo^^^ 04:55, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, "when it opened, One First Union was the tallest building in the Southeast"[2], presumably topping even Atlanta. (For historical reasons North Carolina and Charlotte have been banking centers.) --Dhartung | Talk 07:54, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. The tallest building in a large region is certainly notable, so it was notable in 1988, and once notable, always notable. Phil Bridger (talk) 14:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Was the tallest building in the entire region when it opened and for many years. Along with its former name, First Union Tower, it was the subject of multiple secondary sources [3][4] --Oakshade (talk) 23:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep At 700 000 in the city proper and well over 2 million in the metro, this is hardly a mid-size city. One of the tallest buildings in the area and in the Carolinas region, does mean that it has more notability.--JForget 02:32, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: As a Charlotte-area resident, yeah, it's a neat building. But on the global scale of Wikipedia, it simply lacks the notability for the encyclopedia. Justin Eiler (talk) 18:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: notable as the third highest building in Charlotte, formerly the first highest building, in addition to being the world headquarters for the fourth largest bank in the United States. Major cleanup completed.
--JKeene (talk) 20:06, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete, this time as A7, non-notable bio, as has been done several times before. (see deletion log) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:13, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nathan Brittain[edit]
- Nathan Brittain (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
A word of caution: I am an ignorant American, and I know absolutely nothing about soccer (or "football", if you will). I could be way off base here, but I don't think I am. The article smells hoaxy. I was unable to confirm his participation with any of these clubs, for example this search for his current club yields only one hit: this article. Being an ignorant American, I don't even know if these clubs are top level, minor league, little league or what. Please have a look and see what you think. --Bongwarrior (talk) 23:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete G3 as hoax, so tagged. A search for him and his
soccerfootballsoccersports team turned up nothing whatsoever. The author's name also suggests WP:COI. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy close as duplicate nomination. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Anti-globalization and antisemitism[edit]
- Anti-globalization and antisemitism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Completing malformed nom for Sugaar (talk · contribs), who had previously tacked disussion onto the top of this AfD. User's rationale was as follows:
- The whole article is an amalgamation of anecdotic, irrelevant, false and confusing material. It looks like blatant propaganda for most of its extension. It confuses icons accusing Israel of being Nazi with pro-Nazi ones, it casts anecdotes of some individuals apparent anti-semitism as something widespread, it begins with declarations of neonazi militants that make no sense, it confuses once and again anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism, it casts ignorance as anti-semitic slur, etc. Overall it seems to have been created in bad faith, as nearly nothing in it is salvageable. The proponent: --Sugaar (talk) 23:30, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note that I am neutral on this article, and this is just a procedural nom on my part. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. The trend generally seems to be swinging this way, and there is rough consensus that the article should be kept, considering its adequate sourcing, when contrasted with the length of the content, which to some extent diffuses the supposed issues of POV. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 06:06, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Anti-globalization and antisemitism[edit]
- Anti-globalization and antisemitism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
- Anti-globalization and antisemitism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) –
The whole article is an amalgamation of anecdotic, irrelevant, false and confusing material. It looks like blatant propaganda for most of its extension. It confuses icons accusing Israel of being Nazi with pro-Nazi ones, it casts anecdotes of some individuals apparent anti-semitism as something widespread, it begins with declarations of neonazi militants that make no sense, it confuses once and again anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism, it casts ignorance as anti-semitic slur, etc. Overall it seems to have been created in bad faith, as nearly nothing in it is salvageable. The proponent: --Sugaar (talk) 23:30, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: Correcting nomination, was attached to another AfD. I am not expressing an opinion on this discussion at this time. Hersfold (t/a/c) 23:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I tried to fix it just as you fixed it too. Sorry for the confusion! Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Hmmmmm The material is obviously valid; the name is perhaps questionable. I cannot address issues such as OR given that the article is too big for more than the most cursory reading. I would note that this article is three years old; one would think someone would have noticed the problem earlier. I would suggest that deletion is probably the wrong venue. Mangoe (talk) 00:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as being much ado about nothing - this smells like a coatrack article and seems to be placing undue weight on the issue. The article's text seems to confuse conservatives with globalists and basically states that a person who opposes globalisation and zionism is a anti-semite, which includes accusing at least one indivudal. --Nick Dowling (talk) 08:01, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment This has been through the wringer before (2005 VFD, 2007 AFD (and what a confusing mess of AFD names we have now), but it hasn't really improved its balance or analysis. It's a vaguely-organized laundry list of alleged associations, but there isn't very much material to give context or rebuttal, or it isn't properly highlighted (for example, the lead is pretty one-sided). We must fix this. --Dhartung | Talk 08:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Per WP:SOAP. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:15, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. This article is fundamentally problematic because it takes a variety of disparate comments and lumps them together under the rubric of "anti-globalization and antisemitism." That is a clear example of original research by synthesis. Any worthwhile material in the article can be incorporated into Antisemitism and New antisemitism, but this article in itself is simply soapboxing and is a clear violation of WP:NPOV. It should have been deleted long ago. *** Crotalus *** 15:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- KEEP. It shows certain voices in the cold light of day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.65.25.12 (talk) 01:52, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Move to a more user-friendly name Carter | Talk to me 16:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete: Per nom, it is WP:SOAP full of WP:SYN. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 16:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - While the article could be fixed up a bit, I strongly disagree that this is soapboxing. The growing acceptance of "unspoken" antisemitism in anti-globalization and leftist circles is something that has been noted by several scholars, including leftists such as Naomi Klein, and is the subject of much debate among academics. This isn't a nonissue being soapboxed through wikipedia. --Telecart (talk) 19:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Telecart expressed it well, it is a well sourced phenomenon noted by scholars. --MPerel 19:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- strong delete - this execrable article is an obvious bad-faith attempt to smear a particular group as "antisemitic". Clear violation of WP:SYN. What little there is of value in this article can be treated better in new antisemitism or antisemitism. NSH001 (talk) 21:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep I will reconsider as soon as the 90% of WP articles which have way fewer sources and are terribly written are deleted/improved. Also, I would urge whomever closes to ignore the delete arguments that rely on variations of "Well, the people who are conflating AG and AS are wrong." They may well be, but these are not judgments we're supposed to be making. It's all about sources (and this article is quite nicely balanced on that score, I might add). IronDuke 23:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep. Good sources, well written, well-balanced. More than satisfies the requirements WP:V, WP:NPOV, and WP:NOR. Objections appear to be based on a misunderstanding of policy. Jayjg (talk) 00:35, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. It's definitely not a SYN violation as someone suggested. When I last checked, the sources specifically discussed anti-globalization and antisemitism. SlimVirgin (talk)(contribs) 01:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Topic is very notable and article is well sourced. Yahel Guhan 02:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Anti-Zionism has a tendency of using anti-semitic iconography. I've recently read a book about this, which includes sections about people who support the anarchist anti-globalization movement, and am planning on adding this source into the article. JaakobouChalk Talk 03:49, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - This is a pretty obvious case. The phenomenon the article addresses is well documented among notable scholars and is discussed among an increasingly large percentage of the literate public. That ones favorite cause, anti-globalism, includes antisemitic themes may be viewed as unfortunate by some, but not the least bit surprising to the student of antisemitism. No reasonable basis has been brought forward for deletion that has not already been refuted. The article's compliance with WP policies is better than most. Regards,Doright (talk) 05:11, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Hmm. For five days, the discussion has very low traffic, and then within five hours, tons of "Keep" votes all flood in at once from participants with a particular POV — most of whom are friends on IRC, and one of whom has previously been caught running a secret, POV-pushing mailing list. I smell canvassing. *** Crotalus *** 05:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep, nominator stated that this was placed in error (see this comment). Non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Furry fandom[edit]
- Furry fandom (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Wikipedia:NOT Vashir (talk) 22:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep This is an eight year old article, so WP:SNOW surely applies. Mangoe (talk) 22:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy keep - I'd be curious to know what part of WP:NOT this is supposed to go against. It's a verifiable, well referenced and long-standing article. There's no reason to delete. Tony Fox (arf!) 23:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy keep - Article is well documented, cites plenty of sources. Subject matter attracts more than enough interest from the general public to justify an article As Tony Fox asks, what part of WP:NOT finds this article lacking? This AfD nomination borders on being a misuse of process. --Mwalimu59 (talk) 23:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Furry keep Article is very well sourced. I would trust Tony Fox (talk · contribs)'s judgment here. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Whoops Sorry, apparently the page didn't load completely, which led to me placing this AfD. Please keep then. --Vashir (talk) 23:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was No consensus, defaulting to Keep. Black Kite 23:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yuki Asuka[edit]
- Yuki Asuka (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
A Japanese porno actress. As a porno actress she doesn't appear to be particularly notable. The only potentially notable thing about her is having been arrested, which is not enough for being notable per notability guidelines for porno. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 22:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. Dekkappai (talk) 22:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep She may not be notable as a porno actress but she is notable per WP:V and WP:BLP with regards to this upi newspaper source I would recommend adding the original Yokohama Shinbun Japase newspaper source. Igor Berger (talk) 22:46, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: That's just one count of indecent exposure. We can't turn every petty criminal into a notable personality. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 22:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- How many counts does a person need to have to be notable? Is the question not that the person should be notable per sources? Do they have to be a major porn star or an important law violator to be notable? We should apply WP:WEIGHT and get some commentary from WP:BLP project not just porn star project. What do you think?
- Comment: That's just one count of indecent exposure. We can't turn every petty criminal into a notable personality. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 22:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Every petty criminal isn't notable. Mangoe (talk) 23:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I think the nominator is correct that she is not extremely notable as a porn star (note, however, that she does appear in a video reviewed by AVN-- a U.S. publication that does not specialize in the Japanese industry.) It's her arrest, and its coverage that makes her notable. I don't think the "every petty criminal" argument holds water. Not "every petty criminal"'s arrest makes international news. This person's arrest highlighted an interesting and largely hidden aspect of the Japanese adult entertainment industry-- shooting videos in public for reactions from unsuspecting bystanders. That's why she made international news, and that's why she's notable. (Director Hisayasu Sato's Mibojin Hentai Jigoku made notable use of this technique, which, since it is illegal, is widely denied by the industry. See the All Movie Guide description[5]) Dekkappai (talk) 23:22, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree with what you said. I have been living in Japan for 17 years now, and while in America such an incident would not make big news, in Japan it is a Taboo and against the law to be seen nude on a public street and that is why this made International news. Pretty much it is like Larry Flint and the Hustler magazine controversy made Japanese. I think even deleting it maybe against freedom of speach and a violation of First Amendment because this can be seen as a protest in Japanese society, but I am not sure. A lawyer needs to determine this. Igor Berger (talk) 00:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I wouldn't put much stock in AVN reviews as a reliable source to establish notability. AVN is not an independent reviewer of movies because they take in ads for the movies they review (and this includes the American distributors of Japanese movies). Besides the mention of Yuki is brief and not significant coverage under WP:Notability. As for the nude arrest, are there any more articles that are intellectually independent of the UPI article? Oh and Igor, the First Amendment applies to American government censorship, not wikipedia.Vinh1313 (talk) 02:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree with what you said. I have been living in Japan for 17 years now, and while in America such an incident would not make big news, in Japan it is a Taboo and against the law to be seen nude on a public street and that is why this made International news. Pretty much it is like Larry Flint and the Hustler magazine controversy made Japanese. I think even deleting it maybe against freedom of speach and a violation of First Amendment because this can be seen as a protest in Japanese society, but I am not sure. A lawyer needs to determine this. Igor Berger (talk) 00:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. —Dekkappai (talk) 23:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, she's notable for neither her pornographic appearances (per WP:BIO) nor her arrest (per WP:ONEEVENT). Jfire (talk) 23:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per the rationale provided by Dekkappai. Once again I see that ONEEVENT is being misapplied. RFerreira (talk) 00:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- keep-notability is established as there is also an article at ja:結城明日香. Two languages means she's not a flash in the pan. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 02:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you show us the video evidence for examination? Just joking! Thanx for the Japanese link. Igor Berger (talk) 03:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Just a comment: Two and even more languages just means that hard-working and well-meaning editors translated the article. It is not by itself an indicator of notability. I do tend to agree with other interesting comments about the notability of public nudity in Japan. ---Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 05:15, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'd like to understand the damn thing before evaluating its chances. We now read that Yūki got in trouble for walking around Yokohama naked, and that she and Inoue also had filmed Shimizu walking naked through Chinatown. Yūki's birth name is Arisa Shimuzu [sic]. I'd guess that "Chinatown" refers to part of Yokohama. So who walked where, and who was arrested? Though even if this is sorted out it seems little more than a small news story at this point. Incidentally, photographing nude women in Japanese urban spaces (and exhibiting the results) has a history that's at least 49 years old. -- Hoary (talk) 04:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks like so, but he did not get arrested for that, it just caused quite a stir. Being arested in Japan for nudity in a public place is big news, and it goes internationally. Going against Japanese hivethink is turbulent and discrespectful to the society. Maybe you have heard a saying in Japan, if a nail is sticking out of a plank of wood hammer it in to be equal with others. So naked AVI shoot in Yokohama Chinatown is very big news. I would not be supprised if it hit prime time telivision like NHK and Asahi TV. Anyone who knows how to write Japanese, which I do not, do a search for the article story in Google Japan and see what you get. Igor Berger (talk) 04:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Igor, you seem to be both confidently asserting that this was big news and implying that you don't actually know if it was big news. Offhand, I don't know: I'll happily google for it but not as long as I'm using a work computer. And if it is notable then I don't see why it's more significant for Yūki/Yuki/Shimizu/Shimuzu than for Inoue, and anyway WP:ONEEVENT kicks in. Meanwhile, it seems as if the whole article is taken from this short and slapdash UPI story, complete with typo (though I'm not alleging a copyvio). -- Hoary (talk) 06:40, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- What I am recommending that someone who reads Japanese should Google this in Google Japan, and see if there was a big news in Japanese media about this event. Although this was one event there might have been over actions by association that have not been brought to light yet. After 17 years in Japan I speak Japanese but unfortunately cannot read it. But would not one event rule apply to a certain news story that has no follow up or consequences? For example a metiorite falls in Peru has an article even it is one event, 2007_Peruvian_meteorite_event! I mean I hope they do not have metiorites falling down on them every year. Why does it have an article? Could it be atributed to that the local people got sick from exposure to toxic fumes, those implying cause and effect. So, a follow up from that event. I think the naked in public place arrest is more than one event scenario. Igor Berger (talk) 07:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, I'll try to google for it later, unless somebody beats me to it. This meteorite seems to have made a big crater, and in some way made hundreds of people ill (or possibly induced quasi-hysteria and imagined illness in hundreds of people); somehow I'd have thought that this was more significant than having an actress get her tits out in a Yokohama street (much though I'd have loved to have had a close view the latter when younger and hornier). Or perhaps you're suggesting an article on the history of erotic events and pseudo-events in Japan; my only contribution to that would be a link to the Kijima article (which needs sourcing for its vague assertion of a moral panic). -- Hoary (talk) 07:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well let's give the actress her WP:DUE. I grant she is not Larry Flynt but then who can match him! Igor Berger (talk) 10:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Her and her arrest: mostly blogs, chitchat, and the occasional little paragraph in some peripheral news source (example). Her, her arrest, and newspaper: just more of the same. Asahi Shinbun doesn't seem to have heard of her. -- Hoary (talk) 15:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well let's give the actress her WP:DUE. I grant she is not Larry Flynt but then who can match him! Igor Berger (talk) 10:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, I'll try to google for it later, unless somebody beats me to it. This meteorite seems to have made a big crater, and in some way made hundreds of people ill (or possibly induced quasi-hysteria and imagined illness in hundreds of people); somehow I'd have thought that this was more significant than having an actress get her tits out in a Yokohama street (much though I'd have loved to have had a close view the latter when younger and hornier). Or perhaps you're suggesting an article on the history of erotic events and pseudo-events in Japan; my only contribution to that would be a link to the Kijima article (which needs sourcing for its vague assertion of a moral panic). -- Hoary (talk) 07:58, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- What I am recommending that someone who reads Japanese should Google this in Google Japan, and see if there was a big news in Japanese media about this event. Although this was one event there might have been over actions by association that have not been brought to light yet. After 17 years in Japan I speak Japanese but unfortunately cannot read it. But would not one event rule apply to a certain news story that has no follow up or consequences? For example a metiorite falls in Peru has an article even it is one event, 2007_Peruvian_meteorite_event! I mean I hope they do not have metiorites falling down on them every year. Why does it have an article? Could it be atributed to that the local people got sick from exposure to toxic fumes, those implying cause and effect. So, a follow up from that event. I think the naked in public place arrest is more than one event scenario. Igor Berger (talk) 07:22, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Igor, you seem to be both confidently asserting that this was big news and implying that you don't actually know if it was big news. Offhand, I don't know: I'll happily google for it but not as long as I'm using a work computer. And if it is notable then I don't see why it's more significant for Yūki/Yuki/Shimizu/Shimuzu than for Inoue, and anyway WP:ONEEVENT kicks in. Meanwhile, it seems as if the whole article is taken from this short and slapdash UPI story, complete with typo (though I'm not alleging a copyvio). -- Hoary (talk) 06:40, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks like so, but he did not get arrested for that, it just caused quite a stir. Being arested in Japan for nudity in a public place is big news, and it goes internationally. Going against Japanese hivethink is turbulent and discrespectful to the society. Maybe you have heard a saying in Japan, if a nail is sticking out of a plank of wood hammer it in to be equal with others. So naked AVI shoot in Yokohama Chinatown is very big news. I would not be supprised if it hit prime time telivision like NHK and Asahi TV. Anyone who knows how to write Japanese, which I do not, do a search for the article story in Google Japan and see what you get. Igor Berger (talk) 04:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment According to journalist and Swedish Tokyo correspondent, Kjell Fornander, five to ten videos are made in the average AV career.[6] Asuka, according to the news article on the arrest, had starred in about 100 at that time. So, by real-world (though, notably, not Wikipedian) standards, she is notable even within the AV field. I don't think public nude photography has been claimed as Ms. Asuka's unique contribution to Japanese society. In fact it's a fairly common sub-genre of the AV industry. But because of its illegality, its existence is routinely denied by the industry. Ms. Asuka's being caught in the act by cell-phone camera is what is notable, and what made international news. Also, I don't think blaming Ms. Asuka for the Yūki/Yuki and Shimizu/Shimuzu mix-ups resulting from Japanese/Wiki orthography and newspaper typos casts any more doubts on her notability than the same would for Toshiro/Toshirō Mifune. Dekkappai (talk) 22:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Dekkappai (and I always love that username), the last part of what you write is some kind of response to something that I wrote. You are of course under no obligation to come up with what I think would be a better response, but I warmly invite you to do so. You clearly think that the article about Yūki/Shimizu is worth preserving (and, presumably, improving). I haven't yet decided if I agree with you, but even if I don't I respect your point of view. However, I'm mystified by what seems to be an imbalance of energies here. Whatever the merits of an article on her, the article as it stands now is awful. Couldn't you -- or somebody else who's written rather energetically on behalf of there being an article -- at least remove the contradictions (real and apparent) that still plague the very first paragraph? -- Hoary (talk) 04:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree the article reads like an advert for the AV model. Should be written more in encyclopedic style and texture. Igor Berger (talk) 05:37, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I apologize if I sounded a bit sarcastic up there, Hoary. I've seen your input at other AfDs, and do respect your obvious knowledge and opinions also. The typos/inconsistencies you point out can be easily fixed, and I'll do what I can right now. The state of the article as a whole is pretty poor, obviously, I'll see if I can do something about it later on today when I'm free to do this manner of research. (Oh, about the, ahem, username. It started out as a one-edit/one-article joke, and I'm stuck with it. I've had thoughts about changing it, but it seems to suit me so well... Glad you approve. :) Dekkappai (talk) 17:05, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No, no sarcasm at all, and nothing to apologize about. For my part, I'm sorry; I'd wrongly assumed that you could read Japanese fairly easily: of course if you can't then it's not so easy to improve on the present mess of an article. -- Hoary (talk) 02:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- My Japanese is pretty hit & miss, picked up by close proximity with Japanese speakers as a child, my own non-academic reading & studying, and visiting the country a few times when I lived in Korea for a few years. (During which time the Korean language supplanted most of my knowledge of Japanese.) Apology, or non-apology, accepted or not, as appropriate. Dekkappai (talk) 17:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No, no sarcasm at all, and nothing to apologize about. For my part, I'm sorry; I'd wrongly assumed that you could read Japanese fairly easily: of course if you can't then it's not so easy to improve on the present mess of an article. -- Hoary (talk) 02:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Dekkappai (and I always love that username), the last part of what you write is some kind of response to something that I wrote. You are of course under no obligation to come up with what I think would be a better response, but I warmly invite you to do so. You clearly think that the article about Yūki/Shimizu is worth preserving (and, presumably, improving). I haven't yet decided if I agree with you, but even if I don't I respect your point of view. However, I'm mystified by what seems to be an imbalance of energies here. Whatever the merits of an article on her, the article as it stands now is awful. Couldn't you -- or somebody else who's written rather energetically on behalf of there being an article -- at least remove the contradictions (real and apparent) that still plague the very first paragraph? -- Hoary (talk) 04:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Question Is it proper to Move an article in the midst of AfD discussion? I think the article should more properly be titled "Asuka Yūki". Dekkappai (talk) 17:08, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Per WP:MOS-JP, the English Wikipedia should use Western name order. —Quasirandom (talk) 00:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, and I believe the Western order would be "Asuka Yūki". Dekkappai (talk) 00:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The last time I looked, it wasn't appropriate to move during an AfD, no. I must regretfully concede that yes, MoS-ja has an intercoursing stupid rule by which the names of Japanese people born after 1867 must be put back to front, in order not to frighten the horses or whatever. And yes, this even applies to the noms de guerre of hotties, leading to such nonsense as "Sora Aoi" (cf "Twain Mark", not that he was a hottie or anything). -- Hoary (talk) 04:45, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Right-- Rampo Edogawa is another name that suffers more than usual under this rule. Dekkappai (talk) 23:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The last time I looked, it wasn't appropriate to move during an AfD, no. I must regretfully concede that yes, MoS-ja has an intercoursing stupid rule by which the names of Japanese people born after 1867 must be put back to front, in order not to frighten the horses or whatever. And yes, this even applies to the noms de guerre of hotties, leading to such nonsense as "Sora Aoi" (cf "Twain Mark", not that he was a hottie or anything). -- Hoary (talk) 04:45, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, and I believe the Western order would be "Asuka Yūki". Dekkappai (talk) 00:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Per WP:MOS-JP, the English Wikipedia should use Western name order. —Quasirandom (talk) 00:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Another Question ***WARNING*** The following links are not work-safe! At THIS site (biglobe.av-channel.com), I've found Asuka Yūki (結城明日香) in their top-ten rankings for several weeks. HERE, for example, she is in the #1 position (1位 結城明日香) (look at the listings on the left). All the "Week" headings give the current week, however. My Japanese is far from good, does anyone know how to make better sense of this? Dekkappai (talk) 22:17, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know, but I can confirm that yes, according to this site she is this week's number one. And a look at her page tells me that she's welcome to stroll along the street outside my house any time. Though I'd ask her not to invite a media circus when she does so. -- Hoary (talk) 02:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- On balance, keep. She may just be a flash in the pan (I haven't investigated), but anyway she's at least one week's flash in the pan. And let's not pan flesh. -- Hoary (talk) 02:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- So that's a keep per WP:HOTTIE? :) Jfire (talk) 02:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You betcha. -- Hoary (talk) 02:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Should we not examine the videos to see how HOT she is..:) Igor Berger (talk) 03:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ahem. In a subject as serious as this, I'd hoped we could avoid playing the WP:HOTTIE card. But there it is, and there's no denying it. :) Dekkappai (talk) 17:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks like she gets to stay! Anyway, for now, she maybe deleted later, if she stops being HOT. Igor Berger (talk) 04:54, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ahem. In a subject as serious as this, I'd hoped we could avoid playing the WP:HOTTIE card. But there it is, and there's no denying it. :) Dekkappai (talk) 17:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Should we not examine the videos to see how HOT she is..:) Igor Berger (talk) 03:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- You betcha. -- Hoary (talk) 02:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- So that's a keep per WP:HOTTIE? :) Jfire (talk) 02:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- keep Would almost be notable by her pornographic work. Her arrest appears to push her over the edge to reasonable notability per WP:BIO. JoshuaZ (talk) 20:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. As noted, relevant material appears to already exist at Australian English, so no merge is necessary. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 13:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Varieties of Australian English[edit]
- Varieties of Australian English (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
This is largely OR - reference to the three categories can be restricted to Australian English. StAnselm (talk) 22:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment - surely this doesn't need to come to AfD if a merge is all that is being asked for. -- Mattinbgn\talk 03:56, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Smerge into Australian English#Varieties of Australian English, which is much better sourced and tighter overall. There may be a few salvageable points here, but mainly just redirect to the better-written version. --Dhartung | Talk 08:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, would suggest a merge to [[Australian English, but all the salient points already appear to be there. Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC).[reply]
- Delete - and salvage anything that can be put into Australian English SatuSuro 07:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - and roll any unique information into Australian English. Sadly this article has no references so there's really little defense that can be offered. Phrases like "Most linguists consider..." sound like weasel words. Format (talk) 18:20, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Much of this content is duplicated at The Saint of Dragons in any event.--Kubigula (talk) 02:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Dragons (Saint of Dragons)[edit]
- Dragons (Saint of Dragons) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
An article about dragons in a fantasy novel does not meet notability standards. —BradV 21:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: An article about Tolkein's dragons probably could meet notability standards. There is nothing inherently non-notable about topic, if scholars and critics have written about. Perhaps you meant to say "This article ... "? —Quasirandom (talk) 22:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, condense, merge. Appears to belong in the article about the book. Although it is true that some notable characters within notable books by highly notable authors have warrented articles of their own, I don't think this author is on par with Tolkein. It also seems that the this article may go too far in its over-descriptiveness of elements in the book. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 07:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Can't say I disagree... —Quasirandom (talk) 02:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as there are no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability of these fictional creatures.--Gavin Collins (talk) 15:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Gavin Collins. Doctorfluffy (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Per above. --Jupiter Optimus Maximus (talk) 15:58, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 02:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Death dog[edit]
- Death dog (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Dungeons & Dragons monster of questionable notability. Article implies that it has been copied in several other fictional universes- if this could be confirmed, there may be a case for keeping the article, though it is possibly original research. No evidence of third party coverage. J Milburn (talk) 21:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete per nom. Also, I notice there is very little information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MalwareSmarts (talk • contribs) 01:53, 5 March 2008
- Delete — non-notable. Unsourced. Mention in a list. March is D&D Spring Cleaning Month; you can help. Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per above. Belongs in a list; is not notable in of itself. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 07:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No secondary sources, no sourced assertion of notability. Fails WP:RPG/N and WP:N. Percy Snoodle (talk) 10:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete As per above. Doesn't seem to have any relevance outside D&D. --Minimaki (talk) 14:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Eliv? -Jéské (v^_^v :L13 ½-Raichu Soulknife) 18:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Connexion.org[edit]
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WP:Notability. May be notable, however, I can't find anything on the web which would suggest notability via independent reviews other than blogs and the like. Pgagnon999 (talk) 21:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep The site does appear to be notable and has had some coverage in LGBT publications, but it hasn't been covered in the mainstream press as extensively as other social networking sites such as Myspace or Facebook. Dgf32 (talk) 21:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note I'd reverse if those sources are put forward and are shown to be significant within that community. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 21:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the comments on Connexion.org. Whether that page is significant probably depends on whether you regard the activities of Tim Gill (which would be me) to be significant. I'm still adding citations and such. And since this is the first page I've ever done it's going slowly. For all I know, I'm not sending this message properly either. Nottim (talk) 22:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Tim, although you may be notable, with regard to Wikipedia, notability is not inherited. The software must be notable in of itself. Also note (you seem like a nice enough contributer, so don't take this the wrong way) it might be worthwhile to read WP:Conflict of interest. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 23:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom - not notable. Just an ad for yet another social networking site. Bardcom (talk) 19:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. – ukexpat (talk) 19:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to Planetouched. I have redirected the article, knowledgeable editors are encouraged to merge relevant information. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Tanarukk[edit]
- Tanarukk (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non notable Dungeons & Dragons monster. Setting specific, but is of only minor significance within the setting as a whole. May deserve a mention when discussing orcs or Tenar'ri (especially when discussing them in the context of the Forgotton Realms). No evidence of third party coverage. J Milburn (talk) 21:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Planetouched. Powers T 22:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Planetouched. BOZ (talk) 23:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete — non-notable. Already adequately covered at Planetouched. March is D&D Spring Cleaning Month; you can help. Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete No secondary sources, no assertion of notability. Fails WP:RPG/N and WP:N. Percy Snoodle (talk) 10:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete This is just one of thousands of non-notable stock characters with no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability outside D&D canon. --Gavin Collins (talk) 16:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, it's a fictional species, not a stock character. Powers T 03:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It's a copy and pasted reason for deletion, so forgive Gavin if it doesn't make sense for the particular topic it's being used for, as it's been used on quite a few AFDs lately.Shemeska (talk) 20:26, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment In the fantasy world of D&D it may be classed as a fictional species, but in the real world, its actually a stock character. Which stock character are you? --Gavin Collins (talk) 09:52, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The stats for a level one warrior Tanarukk are the stats for a stock character, the Tanarukk race itself is no more a stock character than the Klingon race. J Milburn (talk) 10:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Uh, no, in the fantasy world of D&D it's a real species. In the real world it's a fictional species. Powers T 16:52, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah, so it's a fictional real species, not a real fictional species. Glad we have that sorted. Cheers, Jack Merridew 16:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, it's a fictional species, not a stock character. Powers T 03:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Planetouched as per BOZ.Shemeska (talk) 20:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete — non-notable. shadzar-talk 21:30, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - just because it's in Monstrous Compendium doesn't make it notable for Wikipedia. --John Nagle (talk) 19:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete, G3. The artist names--"Lightningfinger Brown" and "Thunderhawk Janzen" + the fact that the review links pointing to a completely different article=an obvious hoax. Blueboy96 22:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Countdown (T-Minus Now! Album)[edit]
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Album by band deleted as NN album/hoax in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/T-Minus Now!. Cannot find references to prove it even exists. Prod removed by IP without comment. Hut 8.5 21:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, doesn't meet WP:MUSIC notability criteria. Tempshill (talk) 21:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 23:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Kunal_Pradhan[edit]
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Content not suitable for an encyclopedia. The said author is not well known and certainly not a "leading writer". Naon34561 (talk) 08:29, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Only hits from reliable sources are articles written by him, not articles about him [7]. Subtracting out "by Kunal Pradhan" from the GNews hits leaves merely 14 articles, of which over half aren't even for the same person [8]. cab (talk) 08:48, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete - lacks secondary sources to support a position as a notable columnist. TerriersFan (talk) 19:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not at all famous. Tintin 13:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge. I have redirected the page, knowledgeable editors are encouraged to merge relevant information. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:03, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thoul[edit]
- Thoul (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Dungeons & Dragons monster with no evidence of notability. No reliable third party sources provided, and monster is of minimal importance within the (current) game. To be fair, it appears to be more a part of a version and setting with which I am less familiar, so an argument could potentially be made for this article to be kept. J Milburn (talk) 21:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Troll (Dungeons & Dragons)#Related creatures, where they are already mentioned. BOZ (talk) 23:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge as per BOZ. -Sean Curtin (talk) 00:40, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete — non-notable. Already adequately covered at Troll (Dungeons & Dragons)#Related creatures. March is D&D Spring Cleaning Month; you can help. Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:33, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge per BOZ. Percy Snoodle (talk) 09:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per nomination. Gaius Cornelius (talk) 13:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete There no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability outside D&D canon. --Gavin Collins (talk) 16:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Minor component of fictional work, or Just Another Monster. --John Nagle (talk) 19:58, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. faithless (speak) 05:28, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hespeler Baptist Church[edit]
- Hespeler Baptist Church (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
100+ year old church with no evidence of notability and ghits are limited to directory type listings. Per WP: CORP, local orgs need RS coverage, this one doesn't have any. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 21:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Hardly any notability to speak of. Almost G11-able in my book. Blueboy96 22:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Deleteor cite sources I would say delete, but I'm fine with keeping it as long as you cite your sources. Signed, Nothing444 23:21, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep or delete for a different reason Its real, I added an external link. The only thing I would worry about is Notability. Signed, Nothing444 23:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment No question it exists, but there's no evidence it's notable. The church's own website does not establish notability per WP:RS, WP:N TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 03:44, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:ORG. Most individual churches are non-notable. The article's only sources are the church's own web site and one of its publications. A Google search indicates that significant coverage of this church in independent reliable sources is hard to find. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No notability. Not even any evidence of being a historic structure, which could make this notable. Nyttend (talk) 19:46, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I have cited all the works I have quoted, other then that, I'm just going off what I know about the church. The church has done a lot of great work in peoples lives. While the building itself is not too old, the original building still stands, about two blocks away, and is now owned by the salvation army. If someone doesn't want a specific church article, let me know, and maybe I will right a big article with other churches, including this church.(I will just copy paste this article, into the big article, and right up about some other baptist churches in cambridge.)The article also has notability. Go to the official website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paul the dud (talk • contribs)
- Comment none of which, unfortunately, meet notability standards. Existing!notability TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 20:38, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Currently checking with city to see if original building is historic site-Paul the dud
- Delete - I regret that it is necessary to delete churches so regularly, but few are truely notable. See current guidelines on this. Peterkingiron (talk) 00:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 23:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Landwyrm (Dungeons & Dragons)[edit]
- Landwyrm (Dungeons & Dragons) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non notable spinoff of a dragon within the Dungeons & Dragons universe, introduced in a book about dragons and barely mentioned since. No evidence of third party coverage. May deserve a mention when discussing dragons. J Milburn (talk) 21:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete — non-notable. Mention in a list. March is D&D Spring Cleaning Month; you can help. Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Dragon (Dungeons & Dragons) Percy Snoodle (talk) 09:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Dragon (Dungeons & Dragons). BOZ (talk) 15:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete This is just one of thousands of non-notable stock characters with no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability outside D&D canon. --Gavin Collins (talk) 15:58, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete — non-notable. a wingless dragon is just a big lizard. shadzar-talk 21:34, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- *Delete as non-notable. Minor component of fictional work. Not even a very interesting monster. --John Nagle (talk) 19:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy Close, a merge request does not fall under the purview of AFD, use WP:MERGE instead.
Version Targeting[edit]
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First, "Version targeting" is a fairly vague term that could apply to any piece of software that implements this kind of behavior. Second, Microsoft relented and will be making IE8 default to the highest level of standards support it is capable of, so version targeting is not nearly so big an issue any more. Third, though the article presents more-or-less factually correct background information, no references are provided to back it up.
I suggest deleting this article entirely, and putting a rewritten, carefully referenced summary of the issue into the Internet Explorer 8 article if desired. —Remember the dot (talk) 21:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Considering Microsoft's turnaround, I have no objection to merging/rewriting the content of this article into the IE8 article. dimo414 (talk) 22:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC) (Article Creator)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Fram (talk) 11:58, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
HillSide Quest[edit]
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RS coverage is false positives and ghits barely confirm existence, let alone notability for this game. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 20:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom - a random net-based video game is not notable simply because a small group of people plays it. The article doesn't even assert notability of any kind. ♣♦ SmartGuy ♥♠ (talk) 21:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Indeed, wish there were a CSD:Game category TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 21:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 02:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Asad Raza[edit]
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The article appears to be a hoax. The supposed references lead nowhere. Google finds no references at all. Sbowers3 (talk) 20:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete if not a hoax than simply a nn high school player TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 21:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as a non notable hoax. MalwareSmarts (talk) 01:54, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as hoax. None of the references appear to be relevant to the subject, and I can't even figure out what city the subject is supposed to be from. The article creator has already been warned that the article appears to be a hoax. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Please don't send the kobold archers after me. Nandesuka (talk) 04:41, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Tucker's kobolds[edit]
- Tucker's kobolds (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Group of Dungeons & Dragons kobolds named after a Dungeon Master named Tucker. Article claims that they have been used numerous times as examples- I see no evidence of this, with the article citing only a single editorial. May possibly be keepable if sources exist, but probably better suited to a mention in the article on D&D kobolds. J Milburn (talk) 20:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Kobold (Dungeons & Dragons). Web Warlock (talk) 20:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Mergeto Kobold (Dungeons & Dragons). BOZ (talk) 23:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]- Redirect: Text has been merged into Kobold (Dungeons & Dragons); redirecting this article will suffice. BOZ (talk) 13:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If even the nominator thinks it should be merged, what's it doing here on AfD? Bryan Derksen (talk) 23:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- We can form some level of consensus. Maybe these aren't notable at all, maybe they're notable enough for their own article. I don't know, that's why I brought it here. J Milburn (talk) 23:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Discussion is encouraged. Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:24, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No one indicated otherwise. But everything has a time and a place, and the appropriate place for a merge discussion is on the talk page of an article. Rray (talk) 12:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, nom indiated that a mention in (implied) Kobold (Dungeons & Dragons) might be best — and it is extant; this is not the same as a merge of this article to there. It is a question of an appropriate level of coverage; there are no out of universe sources on this so a mere mention is sufficient and a merge is thus inappropriate. i.e. delete, it's already covered at an appropriate level of detail. Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- No one indicated otherwise. But everything has a time and a place, and the appropriate place for a merge discussion is on the talk page of an article. Rray (talk) 12:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge per others here. The AFD nomination should really be withdrawn, since even the nominator agrees that a merge is appropriate here. Rray (talk) 00:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete — non-notable. Already covered in Kobold (Dungeons & Dragons). Mention in a list. March is D&D Spring Cleaning Month; you can help. Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:24, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and Redirect to Kobold (Dungeons & Dragons). No secondary sources, no assertion of notability. Fails WP:RPG/N and WP:N. Percy Snoodle (talk) 10:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete There are no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability outside D&D canon. This essay on someone's favorite Kobold fails WP:NOT#OR, and is not fit to keep or merge. The reference cited appears to be self-publication and copyright violation, so the article also fails WP:V. --Gavin Collins (talk) 09:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and Redirect shadzar-talk 21:41, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Minor game mod. This is non-notable at the garage band level. --John Nagle (talk) 20:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 23:20, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Bloodsilk spider[edit]
- Bloodsilk spider (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Dungeons & Dragons monster of minimal notability or importance. Minimal in-game coverage, no evidence of third party coverage. Article does not mention any sources, third party or otherwise. J Milburn (talk) 20:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Dgf32 (talk) 20:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or merge with the appropriate article; not in of itself notable enough to justify an article here. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 21:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete — non-notable. Unsourced. Mention in a list. March is D&D Spring Cleaning Month; you can help. Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No secondary sources, no assertion of notability. Fails WP:RPG/N and WP:N. Percy Snoodle (talk) 10:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete This is just one of thousands of non-notable stock characters with no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability outside D&D canon. --Gavin Collins (talk) 15:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete — non-notable. just another variation of commonly found real-world critter used for D&D. shadzar-talk 21:43, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - near the bottom of the barrel in notability here. --John Nagle (talk) 20:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Nandesuka (talk) 02:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Banderlog[edit]
- Banderlog (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non notable Dungeons & Dragons creature. Minimal in-game coverage, no evidence of third party coverage, absolutely no significance. No reason it would need to be mentioned anywhere, as I see it. J Milburn (talk) 20:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Dgf32 (talk) 20:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom or Merge with D&D article. Not enough distinct notability. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 21:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete — non-notable. Unsourced. Mention in a list. Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:15, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No secondary sources, no assertion of notability. Fails WP:RPG/N and WP:N. Percy Snoodle (talk) 10:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Possible hoax: there are no primary sources or reliable secondary sources to demonstrate real world notability outside D&D. --Gavin Collins (talk) 15:46, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete — non-notable. shadzar-talk 21:44, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete as WP:CSD G10, attack page. Elkman (Elkspeak) 22:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rob cypher[edit]
- Rob cypher (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Dubious notability (WP:N) with sensitive material that requires immediate referencing or removal (WP:BLP). The nature of the material also makes me suspect that it is a vanity piece. Marasmusine (talk) 20:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, vanity piece. Tempshill (talk) 20:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete. Not notable per WP:N – ukexpat (talk) 21:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Rob Cypher] has already been deleted 4 times. Obviously not real person.--Boson (talk) 21:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 18:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Eugeroic[edit]
- Eugeroic (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Invented pharmacological category. This article was AFD'ed previously and the vote was keep, with most editors noting that it seemed like a worthwhile dictdef. But nobody noticed that "Eugeroic" is not used in the medical literature (see the article). This is an invented term and not a class of drugs. Since this fact was not mentioned in the previous AFD, I'm nominating this fake class of drugs for AFD again. Tempshill (talk) 20:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete Non-notable neologism. The term is recently created slang. It does not represent a scientific or medical classifaction of pharmacological agents. Dgf32 (talk) 20:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Dgf ^ flaminglawyerc 03:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. This word has a wiktionary entry and I have no problem with that (in fact it could be expanded using the lead para of this article). It's not an accepted separate class of drugs though so it not suitable for an encyclopedia. The WHO ATC/DDD Index 2008 classifies these drugs as "centrally acting sympathomimetics" or "Other psychostimulants and nootropics" and Template:Psychostimulants, agents used for ADHD and nootropics already contains both those categories. I think we should stick to these categories used by the WHO. The main thing these "eugeroic" drugs seem to have in common is that they're all marketed by the same company. Qwfp (talk) 12:07, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Enough problems with discussions on real drugs and their effects (homoepathy, anyone?), don't need made-up drugs.King Pickle (talk) 19:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Just to be clear that I think having articles on the individual drugs is fine, it's only this "category" I think should be deleted. Qwfp (talk) 19:48, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 23:21, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Aspect (Dungeons & Dragons)[edit]
- Aspect (Dungeons & Dragons) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non notable Dungeons & Dragons monster created for the miniatures skirmish game then detailed in the Miniatures' Handbook, a supplement focusing on the use of miniatures in roleplay. No evidence of third party coverage, but may deserve a mention somewhere when discussing D&D deities. J Milburn (talk) 20:21, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Kill with Fire Caste soldiers. -Jéské (v^_^v :L13 ½-Raichu Soulknife) 20:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Dgf32 (talk) 20:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep or Merge into, ah... List of Dungeons & Dragons deities I guess. Aspects have much more to do with dieties than monsters, and have been used extensively in the 3.5 edition of the game, for both gods and demon lords/archdevils. BOZ (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete — non-notable. Unsourced. Mention in a list. Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No secondary sources, no assertion of notability. Fails WP:RPG/N and WP:N. Percy Snoodle (talk) 10:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Non-notable stock characters with no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate real world notability outside D&D. --Gavin Collins (talk) 15:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete — non-notable. just another term for an avatar. shadzar-talk 20:52, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - The concept of an aspect of a god is a common religious concept in Christianity. [9] It's sort of a hack to reconcile monotheism with polytheism. Amusingly, Wikipedia doesn't have an article on the religious usage, but it has one on the D&D usage. --John Nagle (talk) 20:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedily deleted (A7) by Orangemike. Non-admin closure. Deor (talk) 20:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Death Grip Records[edit]
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Prod removed. Record label that fails to establish notability. Self-confessed Myspace label. None of the current roster appear to be notable or have articles of their own. Article created by someone linked to the label and the incoming page Wikipedia:Requested articles/music was updated by the same user. A look at the log [10] shows it's been speedily deleted twice today already. Lugnuts (talk) 20:22, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Non-notable "Myspace" record label. Dgf32 (talk) 20:30, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, vanity. Tempshill (talk) 20:33, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete Upon further review article makes no assertion of notability. Nominating for speedy delete per CSD A7. Dgf32 (talk) 20:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment And it appears that the article has been deleted via Speedy Delete. Dgf32 (talk) 20:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:05, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hampton and the Hampsters Compilation - Hampsterdance Hits[edit]
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As fun as Hampsterdance was in its heyday, this album is entirely non-notable. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 20:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, not notable. Tempshill (talk) 20:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Non-notable album. A google search reveals no coverage in independent third party sources. Dgf32 (talk) 20:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge track listing and any other relevant info to The Hampster Dance. Powers T 22:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Redirected to Jabberwocky (what harm can it do, and it might help some confused schoolkid). Black Kite 23:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Galumphing[edit]
- Galumphing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
I really want to write "No. Just. No." and leave it at that, but actual reasons are unverifiable, Wikipedia is not a dictionary, and WP:CB. -- Merope 20:05, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: But add a tag to state that it requires sources! A quick google for seal and galumphing suggests the term is in wide spread use, and some might be academic articles (JSTOR). If it is true it is interesting to find a term that has moved from humour to science. (Flange of baboons anyone?). As for WINAD, maybe there there is enough to say on this form of locomotion to justify an article? Billlion (talk) 20:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Google gives a lot of results for this, but I feel that most of them are in fact copying from Wikipedia. I could not find a credible source. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 20:30, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- JS Brown - Journal of the American Geographical Society of New York, 1894 - JSTOR... Fur Seals and the Bering Sea Arbitration ... a sudden dash forward, seize a female by the back and lifting her clear of the ground go "galumphing" away, apparently ... You cant say that was copied from Wikipedia! Billlion (talk) 20:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Skimming through the article the term appears applied to the locomotion of a male fur seal on p341 It is in double quotes, but there are a lot of descriptive and technical words (eg "harem" applied to seals) in double quotes in this article. It just seems to be the style. Billlion (talk) 20:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- JS Brown - Journal of the American Geographical Society of New York, 1894 - JSTOR... Fur Seals and the Bering Sea Arbitration ... a sudden dash forward, seize a female by the back and lifting her clear of the ground go "galumphing" away, apparently ... You cant say that was copied from Wikipedia! Billlion (talk) 20:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Non-notable slang. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. See WP:NOT. Dgf32 (talk) 20:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Jabberwocky. --Pixelface (talk) 21:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge origin of the term to Earless seal. Powers T 22:05, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete outright We'll never agree on where to redirect it. Mangoe (talk) 23:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete"Widespread use" isn't quite true. It certainly isn't used in the scientific literature. There is a good chance that it has been picked up with some frequency due to this very Wikipedia entry (as Morven suggests). The 1894 article is an example of colorful description, but is no way a standard (any more than the spelling "Prybilof" for the Pribilof Islands). A comment within the Jabberwocky article that it has been used to describe seal locomotion might be OK. Having an extra mention (or even any mention) in the true seal, or seal, or pinniped articles does not, in my opinion, contribute meaningfully to those topics. Best, Eliezg (talk) 01:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]- Well, it's already mentioned in the Earless seal article, for at least one example, but it's missing the origin of the term, which is why I suggested merging the etymology there. Powers T 02:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I understand Eliezg you are knowledgeable on marine mammals, so if the term is not in scientific use it should be deleted. Also I did a quick search on web of science. Non of the articles I found on seal locomotion used the term, and I couldnt find any scientific articles using the word in this sense. It does sound like a wikipedia created myth. As there are lots of web sites now picking up the terminology, and citing wikipedia as the source in some cases, is there a way after deletion they are going to find this discussion? Is there some section for "myths created by wikipedia that then grew legs and walked away" or galumphed away...? Maybe it is just a foot note to Jabberwocky.Billlion (talk) 09:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Jabberwocky, as noted by Pixelface — how would it hurt to have this as a redirect? Nyttend (talk) 19:47, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, the Redirect idea is good. Most of what anyone would want to know about "galumphing" is in the Jabberwocky article, which could include mention of the fact that "galumphing" has apparently entered the English lexicon (see below), though not necessarily in contexts related to seals. I recast my vote above. Eliezg (talk) 17:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
OED entry and uses[edit]
intr. Orig., to march on exultingly with irregular bounding movements. Now usu., to gallop heavily; to bound or move clumsily or noisily. Hence galumphing ppl. a. and vbl. n., lit. and fig.
1872 ‘L. CARROLL’ Through Looking-Glass i. 22 He left it dead, and with its head He went galumphing back. 1881 Punch 27 Aug. 94/2 The [H.M.S.] Hercules got up steam and went on her way westward galumphing. 1888 N. York World 13 May (Farmer), A green bobtail car that galumphed through Lewis Street at a high rate of speed. 1891 Harper's Mag. Aug. 378/2 He [a dog] became a.. playful, gracefully galumphing, and most affectionate monster. 1893 Nation (N.Y.) 29 June 476/2 It is his humor, his ‘galumphing’ humor, which strikes a chill to the heart. 1901 Westm. Gaz. 15 Aug. 2/2 A postman in uniform galumphed about on a farm-horse. 1903 Daily Chron. 31 Oct. 8/1 There would be such a galumphing up their stairs that peace and security would forsake them. 1930 C. MACKENZIE April Fools xii. 271 Viola..had slept through the stifled cries of her parents beneath the bedclothes when Beyle [sc. a bull-dog] was galumphing round their room. 1965 S. RAVEN Friends in Low Places vi. 129 In the hall was a galumphing lass with a lot of jerseys and a po face.
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The result was Delete --JForget 23:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Vashar[edit]
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Non notable Dungeons & Dragons race appearing in one supplement. No evidence of third party coverage, no real in-game significance. J Milburn (talk) 20:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Dgf32 (talk) 20:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom.; not enough distinct notability to warrant an article here.--Pgagnon999 (talk) 21:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete — non-notable. Not even mentioned in Book of Vile Darkness (no, please…). Mention in a list. Cheers, Jack Merridew 06:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No secondary sources, no assertion of notability. Fails WP:RPG/N and WP:N. Percy Snoodle (talk) 10:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete There no reliable secondary sources to demonstrate notability outside D&D canon. --Gavin Collins (talk) 16:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete — non-notable. shadzar-talk 20:54, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 13:27, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hamburger Hash Affair[edit]
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Non-notable minor news incident. Seems to fall somewhere between WP:NOT#NEWS and WP:ONEEVENT. — Hex (❝?!❞) 20:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Tempshill (talk) 21:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete nn incident. JJL (talk) 23:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, sufficiently mentioned (one sentence) at Hash House Harriers. There have actually been a number of these incidents, a couple of them immediately following the 2001 anthrax attacks. I don't believe any of them have ended with any significant criminal convictions other than perhaps trespassing. --Dhartung | Talk 08:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:06, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Michael Smerick[edit]
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Article does not list outside sources and appears to be about a Cinderella band member who was only a member for a short while. The article has been tagged for cleanup for more than a year and does not appear to have been improved. Tnxman307 (talk) 19:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Agreed that the article is quite poor, however I think this guy passes notability. There are lots of mentions of him in secondary sources, particularly under his real name Michael Kelly Smith. Suggest requesting a translation of the Italian article, it is much more complete. Vrac (talk) 19:53, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep This guy appears to have been the founding guitarist of the heavy metal band Cinderella (band). While there is no independent third party coverage of him, there is significant coverage on this band Cinderella. Dgf32 (talk) 20:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Keep As above... --Pupster21 Talk To Me 18:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was NO CONSENSUS. There is no clear settlement between those that would delete 'just another episode' and those that wish to treat this particular pilot differently for reasons that are clearly articulated and based in policy. It seems that further work on the article is anticipated and that there is likely to be enough substance for it to survive. If that proves not to be forthcoming, then I suppose merges and redirections are likely to follow. Note: I can see no need for the second of the relistings; there were plenty of people and discussions to process the closure on after the first. -Splash - tk 00:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Fairly Oddparents (pilot)[edit]
- The Fairly Oddparents (pilot) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
unsourced original research, and real world notability unestablished. brewcrewer (yada, yada) 20:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Yeah, I know, there's an injunction. Solo28 can refine her/his writing skills while the injunction is in place. Right now, kid, it's the notes you took while watching a TV show. See if you can't make it better. One thing those of us in the "not-every-TV-show-is-notable" crowd look for is "real world notability", and the pilot has all that, since it launched a popular TV show and made Butch Hartman a millionaire. I'm pretty sure there's already an article about the pilot, but maybe your article has something that one doesn't. Mandsford (talk) 21:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It appears an article on the pilot already exists at The Fairly OddParents! (Oh Yeah! Cartoons episode) (version before redirect) (The Fairly OddParents! (pilot) was moved there — note the P and the !), but it was redirected by an involved party of the arbitration case. While I think pilot episodes are generally always notable, this episode does not have to be notable. It just needs to be too long to merge into List of The Fairly OddParents episodes. Notability is always subjective (even "real world notability"). This article can't be deleted while the injunction is in effect. Perhaps if some editors were not so intent on redirecting existing articles, we wouldn't have editors creating duplicate articles with different names. --Pixelface (talk) 04:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It is not clear whether the injunction applies to newly created articles but Delete. There already is a redirect that was in better shape and still couldn't established notability, so I guess it's still a nonnotable episode. – sgeureka t•c 16:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and Rescue. This article could clearly state that the pilot has launched a major kids' television show and made Butch Hartman and co. a ton of money, it just doesn't at this time. I would recommend recommend reading other TV episode articles, especially pilots, and seeing how the writing and formatting is handled there, maybe it would help make an informed decision on what this article could look like? --Darkprincealain (talk) 16:08, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and Cleanup - The current version of the article is bad, but there is clear potential for this article. It is, as has been mentioned, a standalone episode of an anthology series which was later expanded into a very popular cartoon series. That in itself makes it notable. -- Y|yukichigai (ramble argue check) 03:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- keep per Darkprince and Yukichigai. JoshuaZ (talk) 18:03, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep. The pilot episode that launched a successful cartoon is very notable. Needs some cleaning. Please try to find references and add them to pages before you delete them, which is explicitly stated in the nomination procedure page. Hazillow (talk) 07:51, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete This could more effectively be a (better edited) paragraph in the main article on the show. Mangoe (talk) 15:47, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Pilot episode of highly notable series. 68.40.58.255 (talk) 05:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep There might be a legitimate argument about individual episodes within a series, but the pilot of a notable TV series is a notable episode worthy of its own independent article. Alansohn (talk) 19:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete pending resolution of article injunction. A pilot is just another episode. Mangoe (talk) 23:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and improve. I started a production section to get the ball rolling. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 19:40, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge, redirect, or whatever the consensus is, which is not deletion as far as I can tell, merge is not preformed by the closing admin. Yamamoto Ichiro 会話 01:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
List of Gundam 00 Characters[edit]
- List of Gundam 00 Characters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
An article, List of Anno Domini characters, is the one used. It had been vandalized as it was removed with List of Gundam 00 Characters established instead. Ominae (talk) 07:00, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge with List of Anno Domini characters, although I can't find anything official that verifies that the continuity should be referred to as Anno Domini.--TBC!?! 07:30, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect First, rename List of Anno Domini characters to List of Mobile Suit Gundam 00 characters to follow proper naming conventions and the MOS. Then redirect this copy to that newly renamed list. Collectonian (talk) 16:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete original research which fails notability and verifiabiility requirements. Edison (talk) 19:12, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Rename one of these articles, most likely List of Anno Domini characters, to List of Mobile Suit Gundam 00 characters as explained by Collectonian and merged/redirect the other to it. Using the name of the series is actually less ambiguous then using the name of the time line, or where ever Anno Domini came from. --Farix (Talk) 19:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Is Gundam 00 a TV series? If so, then this would fall under the arbcom injunction. Problem is the list has zero context and no lead at all so I can't tell. 23skidoo (talk) 13:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Mobile Suit Gundam 00 is, yes, a TV series, a recent incarnation of the large Gundam franchise. —Quasirandom (talk) 14:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The Arbcom injunction shouldn't apply to duplicate articles or forks. --Farix (Talk) 15:18, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- ArbCom injunction does not apply here — it was created after the injunction was passed. seresin | wasn't he just...? 00:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect and Merge as described above by TBC!?!, Collectonian and Farix. Highwind888 (talk) 00:00, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge as per TBC. Edward321 (talk) 04:13, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- I thought there already was a consensus, but just to pile on the wagon, merge as outlined by TBC!?!, Collectonian and Farix. —Quasirandom (talk) 22:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Maxim(talk) 12:44, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The swaying argument is that Ty rewrote into something that meets Wikipedia's requirements. Good job!
Massurrealism[edit]
- Massurrealism (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
This very short article is written in the style of a promotional circular for a nonnotable art movement, not in the style of an encyclopædia article. It has no citations, and what it provides in the way of references, external links, etc., do not come from reliable, third-party publications. I prodded it, but the prod was removed with the argument that the article is well-referenced and in need of "careful cleanup", not deletion. With all due respect to the editor who made that statement, I do not feel that this can be cleaned up, as reliable sources simply cannot be found for the subject. The article also has conflict-of-interest problems, with editors involved in the "movement" editing the article, as well as articles about themselves. Delete as promotional material for an artistic movement of questionable notability.-RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 19:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete This is madness. Wikipedia is not a billboard.YVNP (talk) 20:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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DeleteI don't really know where to start. This looks very like a promotional article, linking to websites which are more promotional than informative. Two potentially reliable sources are listed in the artcle: one from Arts and Antiques and one from Computer Artist; but these could be passing mentions rather than substantive reviews. They might not even exist. I can't find any other third-party sources even referring to the movement, let alone giving it the kind of attention a notable art movement ought to be receiving.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 21:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep after Ty rewrite.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 12:24, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- A comment first, then motion for a deletion : Funny thing of the mention of artists and self promotion; in all fairness the Surrealists and Dadaists were notorious for self promoting themselves, and probably came under the same scrutiny during their time as well. I did follow up on some of the resources and in further mulling around I found what Ethicoaestheticist also found, numerous other examples of people either writing / commenting about massurrealism (coming from those who identify with it), or mentioning it as part of their lexicon not all seemed to me to be of a self promotional interest. All sources cited and additional ones I have found I do think there is a certain amount of notability, however I do not think notability is the issue here. Given the nature of the topic as an art genre / direction / philosophy this is something I would assume would be discussed ex post facto. These particular artists are in the here-and-now but there is not yet enough history to warrant anything more than a stub, and their impact IMHO can really only be determined after the fact. Please understand that I can appreciate all artists efforts, I really do. But because of massurrealism being more in the moment, I think this article falls short of making the grade at Wikipedia, and I'm inclined to agree for deletion, respectfully. --TheNightRyder (talk) 23:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. If "notability is not the issue here", and the article provides sources (several magazine articles and a book) which appear to be reliable and substantial (the fact that they have the subject in the title suggests they are more than "passing mentions", as Ethicoaestheticist presumes), then I don't see that any valid reason for deletion has been given. Self-promotion and COI are reasons for cleanup, not for deletion; thus my original prod removal. Jfire (talk) 07:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. If TheNightRyder's research is correct then the conclusion is that the article should be kept, not deleted. Notability in the here-and-now is good enough. On the face of it, this is a valid and well-sourced stub. Unless someone wants to allege that the sources are actually hoaxes (a point I'm in no position to judge) then the article's a keeper (although it still needs work). AndyJones (talk) 13:54, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- "KEEP". Notable. Brunhilda (talk) 15:10, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Notability is the issue, and there is none. Beyond self-promotional websites, passing mentions in magazine articles, self-published books (which do not count toward notability), other Wikipedia articles (which are themselves promotional), etc., there are no citations for this "movement." With all due respect to TheNightRyder, who is a new user, I do not agree that there is notability in the "here and now." Unless and until the organization, the artists involved therewith, and their works have received attention in mainstream, respectable, third-party publications in the art world, they do not deserve an article. This is clear Wikipedia policy. We follow, we do not lead. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 15:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete self-promotional article, ask User:Touchon and User:Alankinguk. --Switch-to (talk) 15:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- — Switch-to (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. -- Ty 03:32, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The problem is not with the article. It is with the midwestern surrealists who do not know what surrealism is and who want to define it on Wiki[pedia, their only place where by number of votes they can define surrealism. You cannot change reality by votes and by bad thinking. By making bad articles and by voting away the truth or "fact," if you will, you only look like what you are. What do you think that is? Anyway, all of us in the intellectual community have pretty much abandoned all Wiki articles on surrealism as hopelessly controlled by non-notable and intellectually deficient cranks.Brunhilda (talk) 16:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Response. I fail to see how that opinion is relevant to the current discussion. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 16:42, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete The description in this nationmaster.com entry[11] helps focus what we have here, a "coined" word and therefor a neologism. As such it has to pass that guideline. A hand full of unreadable sources in what seem to be articles highlighting alternative terms published in equally alternative publications just doesn't cut it as reliable sources. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 17:03, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Response :.
"With all due respect to TheNightRyder, who is a new user, I do not agree that there is notability in the "here and now." Unless and until the organization, the artists involved therewith, and their works have received attention in mainstream, respectable, third-party publications in the art world, they do not deserve an article." ---RepublicanJacobite
No disrespect felt RepublicanJacobite. The above what you stated is what makes this debate interesting. This begs the question: who is the art world? is it really fair to state that just because an artist / art group / genre does not have involvement with what are considered mainstream galleries and museums in the world then they do not deserve to be noted in some way? The other issue here is what qualifies as good third party reference in the virtual world? I think this for example would have to count as a more credible source: [12] since this is directly from the University's web server (PS - if you do not read Russian just scroll down to the English transcript) as opposed to all the other blogs and websites connected with massurrealism by individual posters in cyberspace. In the same argument, does not these posters opinions count as well? My position of deletion however, still stands because of the lack of enough content worth writing about to substantiate a good article at this point in time, especially if the article were to be cleaned up. --TheNightRyder (talk) 20:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The link to the lecture is definitely worth reading. It is either a description of the humble origins of a notable art movement or a frank account of a made up art movement. In my view the latter, but I'm interested in what others make of it.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 00:21, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Response : Good question. I am inclined to believe the former. Came across an article from what I think could be considered third party: http://www.hatcityentertainment.com/ (Scroll down to where it says "Art Is Massive") a piece about co-founder artist Michael Morris. The difference here is that it comes from a more provincial source, as opposed to say a more mainstream site that the art world recognizes and respects. But then again do not provincial sources count? I'm only playing devil's advocate here. One could argue that the mainstream art world has its own Illuminati of a small select number of people who control who gets written about, who gets exhibited, which artists sells, etc. They are all connected to each other, and they all have their own agendas and method of 'hyping' people and projects. And if artists are not in with the "right bunch of fellows" in the mainstream art world, they're contribution goes unnoticed. In further looking I came across this [13] From Entertainment Wire in Miami - a Theater production that was described as massurrealism. --TheNightRyder (talk) 08:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, I tend to agree with JFire, re: notability. The term eleicits 4400 Google hits. Most are not self-promotional. The article can be made worthwhile with some more sourcing/attribution.Bjones (talk) 16:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Not sure if this is considered worthy enough as notable, massurrealism being listed here: http://dir.yahoo.com/Arts/Art_History/Periods_and_Movements/ This is not something that anyone can simply either place or request with Yahoo. --TheNightRyder (talk) 16:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I do not know what the process is by which an article, or a category of articles, gets listed on the Yahoo directory, but, as far as I am aware, that is not sufficient, in Wikipedia's terms, to prove notability. The point is, as i said above, that Wikipedia follows, we do not lead; what I mean by that is that we have articles on topics the notability of which has already been proven by substantial coverage in reputable venues. No one has indicated anything here, that I have seen, that proves that for Massurrealism. Look at the three articles that are listed on the Yahoo directory, two of which are self-promotional and one is a Geocities fansite. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 22:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- So you have either located and reviewed the five sources listed as references in the article and determined that they do not constitute substantial coverage, or are familiar with the sources and know that they are not reliable? Or are you presuming these things? Jfire (talk) 22:20, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The fact is none of us have seen these references (and I'm sure we've all looked). For all we know they could fully substantiate a claim to notability. Or, they could just be, well, made up. The cleanup to the article has improved it and it looks much less promotional. In its present state it looks fairly harmless, and might not have even been put up for AfD. But since it is here we have to apply some rigour. Given that in its former state it did look promotional, added to fact that no other reliable sources can be found, we have to assume that the movement is non-notable until some evidence can be presented to the contrary.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 23:00, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- They don't appear to be made up. This looks like it could be one of them. This shows that another exists (though the text is apparently not available online). Here's another. Jfire (talk) 23:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- My question, then, would be: who publishes these magazines? Are the magazines themselves notable or are they little more than 'zines? Who is responsible for the website to which you linked? What is the importance or notability of the person or persons responsible? I have never heard of either of those magazines before, and I am fairly familiar with contemporary art and literature. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 02:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- They don't appear to be made up. This looks like it could be one of them. This shows that another exists (though the text is apparently not available online). Here's another. Jfire (talk) 23:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment : For the discussion, apparently an orthographic variant of massurrealism, spelled with only one "r" (e.g. massurealism) also produces other fan sites, online communities or discussions about massurrealism : [14]--TheNightRyder (talk) 23:09, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep. There are (at present) five independent references, three of which have the term in their title. Unless it can be shown that at least 4 of those publications are not independent of the artists who are considered Massurealists, notability is proven. Argyriou (talk) 02:54, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Article has been entirely rewritten. I've rewritten the article entirely with new sources, so anyone voicing an opinion above needs to have another look to confirm or change their position, which is about the earlier version of the article. I haven't used the references previously given, but they seem credible and if anyone can get hold of the texts, they would be a valuable addition. Ty 07:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per rewrite as in statement above. Ty 07:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per excellent rewrite work above. - Modernist (talk) 12:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep I have to say this is the best version of the article to date, including good additional references on Ty´s efforts. --LAgurl (talk) 13:08, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep after rewrite. Johnbod (talk) 23:17, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete "Massurrealism" exists like Cecil Touchons book Happy Shopping: "Your search found no results" (LoC) and "No results match your search for isbn:0615182445" (WorldCat). This website catalog is the main source: [15] so forget about it. --Switch-to (talk) 12:21, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- — Switch-to (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. -- Ty 03:32, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment This article, despite its revamp, is still borderline delete. The references to it being an actual encyclopedic "thing" are some very thin unreliable sources, including a directory entry and an eBay reference. To much "people who are the subject defining themselves" and not enough "reliable experts defining the subject". This article is much stronger as a description of a neologism, and seems to be close having the required references as such. It may even be there, but hard for me to say since I can't read foreign language references. All and all this probably should be in Wikipedia since I, for one, would like to know what it is. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 15:55, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The directory entry is compiled by the University of Oxford and Manchester Metropolitan University. The "self definition" is a speech made at, and published by, Saint Petersburg State University. Ty 05:36, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Though the rewrite by Ty has certainly improved it, this remains an article about a neologism used by "people who are the subject defining themselves," as Bryn Mawr put it. As such, I would argue it still qualifies for deletion as a nonnotable neologism for a nonnotable so-called "art movement." ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 00:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That can be said of most art movements. The question is, can anybody else be interested enough to write about them (or buy them). Narrowly, I think the answer here is yes (as does FoBM it seems). Johnbod (talk) 00:40, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: In further digging I came across another web source from a university, located here: http://web.utk.edu/~bobannon/preparing/guides/chapter10/cjohnson_arts.xls University of Tennessee, Knoxville, it is a .xls file, but an html version exists here: [16] go up a few levels in the URL and it appears what I presume to be the source homepage: http://web.utk.edu/~bobannon/ --TheNightRyder (talk) 08:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That can be said of most art movements. The question is, can anybody else be interested enough to write about them (or buy them). Narrowly, I think the answer here is yes (as does FoBM it seems). Johnbod (talk) 00:40, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong keep: At first, this looks like Wikipedia in a self-installed mouse trap. As long as there is little control on edits and deletes, it may be free, but no encyclopedia - for it is technically innocent, and only hopefully controlled by the mass of contributors, administrators, etc. - In this special case, we probable face freedom, claimed by an artist (or a group) and powered by Wikipedia. One of my teachers used to categorise things like this (already in the 1960s) to be ungehörig (that means, in-obedient as well as impossible to be owned by someone); he even mounted an exhibition of smells, in these days. - All in all, one could state that art concepts now include the facilities of Wikipedia, but there is absolutely no reason to exclude them (unless Wikipedia redefines its standards). It's Neo-Dada, okay, let's see what happens. rpd (talk) 23:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Have fun: An art movement with one artist. Who are James Seehafer, Alan King and Melanie Marie Kreuzhof? The "key figure among the Massurrealists" (Wikipedia), Cecil Touchon, "co-founded the International Post-Dogmatist Group (IPDG)". Never heard of, but their website links to "MASSURREALIST.COM" and "MASSURREALISM.COM". Tried to find Touchons "book" (Wikipedia) Happy Shopping - Massurrealist Spam Poetry. The result: "Your search found no results" (LoC) and "No results match your search for 'isbn:0615182445'" (WorldCat). --89-dot-247 (talk) 09:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- — 89-dot-247 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. User's 5th edit. -- Ty 03:27, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep per Tyrenius' rewrite. It is weak as this appears to be a small thing, but it is (just) big enough to be notable I think. --John (talk) 04:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Black Kite 23:56, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Finding Gracie[edit]
- Finding Gracie (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Delete Fails WP:RS and WP:N. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 18:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Non-notable film. No third party coverage or reliable sources could be found with a series of google searches. Dgf32 (talk) 21:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. No statement of notability. Was it ever shown? Tempshill (talk) 21:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. faithless (speak) 05:31, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
GrimBB[edit]
- GrimBB (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
One bit of RS coverage is talking about a way to exploit the software. Ghits are forums, howtos, and other non-reliable sources. No evidence of notability. Creator is an SPA with a COI TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 19:14, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete it per nom. Not able to establish notability through solid independent sources. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 21:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete can be recreated if reliable sources found. --Salix alba (talk) 21:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Onepoint project[edit]
- Onepoint project (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
WP:Notability Does not establish clear notability with independent sources (current sources are download sites & the like. Pgagnon999 (talk) 18:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. A project management tool, references given appear to be blogs and similar sites. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 20:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Delete per nom. Fails to meet notability guidelines. Dgf32 (talk) 21:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Not notable, or not as yet anyway. Author remains free to re-create it in future once/if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Qwfp (talk) 09:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 18:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Taskbar clock replacements[edit]
- Taskbar clock replacements (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Delete Aside from advertising these two five very non-notable pieces of software, what does this article do? AlistairMcMillan (talk) 18:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete spam, basically made to advertise software mentioned. Doc StrangeTelepathic MessagesStrange Frequencies 18:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Wikipedia is not a sales catalog. Not encyclopedic. Qwfp (talk) 20:05, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete as spam. --Explodicle (talk) 21:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Veckefjärdens Golf Club[edit]
- Veckefjärdens Golf Club (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non notable golf course. Mr Senseless (talk) 21:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment: A question for golfers: What would be the best reliable source (perhaps a print-only source) to find information about a Swedish golf course? You might find enough information there to save this article. --Eastmain (talk) 00:18, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: The golf course itself might be non notable, but I created the article because it might be of general interest anyway because of its ownership, since it was started by and is owned by ice hockey superstar Peter Forsberg. But I don't know however if that is a valid reason though, so it's all up to you more experienced Wikipedians to decide what to do with the article. Petey21 (talk) 15:37, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
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- Delete - Mr Forsberg's golf course doesn't inherit his notability. It could be mentioned in his article. JohnCD (talk) 22:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - in order to meet WP:ORG either there need to be reasonable secondary sources or another claim to notability, for example the scene of a major golf event. Neither, is presently the case. BlueValour (talk) 03:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete all. Maxim(talk) 12:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nrpn[edit]
- Nrpn (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Article fails WP:NOT, WP:SPAM and WP:COI. Article was created by an WP:SPA account with no other edits other than related to Financial Times group.
I am also nominating the following related pages:
- Pensions week (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Pensions management (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- European pensions & investments news (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- European Pensions and Investment News (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- FDi magazine (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- FT Mandate (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopaedia article. Hu12 (talk) 18:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete all Fails to meet notability guidelines. Also appears to be self-promotion/spam. Possible COI exists as well. Dgf32 (talk) 21:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete all, advert, and keep an eye on that IP address range. Tempshill (talk) 21:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy close and relist separately. Just because these publications have the same publisher it doesn't mean that they should stand or fall together. The decision on deletion should be based on whether each particular one is notable, not on the imagined motives of the articles' creators. For the moment I have added a book and a newspaper source for Pensions week, which can be seen to be notable by the fact that it is frequently quoted by major newspapers and broadcasters. Phil Bridger (talk) 16:09, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per above. BWH76 (talk) 18:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. I am posting the additional sources noted here to the article's talk page, and I leave it to the editors involved there to add them to the article as appropriate. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 12:42, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
40 Days For Life[edit]
- 40 Days For Life (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Article about a local pro-life group, unsourced, no assertion of notability. Mr Senseless (talk) 21:11, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Fails WP:SOAPBOX; cites no secondary sources. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 21:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Article is about a national pro-life group who is being mentioned in news coverage (Sacramento Bee, The Guardian) and has up coming protests. Though it does stand to be expanded and could be better sourced. - Schrandit (talk) 21:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Unsourced shameless promotion. Beeblbrox (talk) 00:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep Has had press coverage in the The Guardian,
AP, and Reuters [17].This appears to be a large national organization, not a local organization. While there is significant coverage in mainstream publications, there is even more coverage in major religious publications such as The National Catholic Register [18] and Zenit [19]. Dgf32 (talk) 21:14, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] - Delete; that is not press coverage! It's an automatically-printed press release issued by the group itself. I don't see any third party reliable sources anywhere in this article. Tempshill (talk) 22:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Thanks for pointing that out. The Reuters article was a press release. However, there still exists third party coverage in The Guardian, Sacramento Bee, and a large volume of coverage in the religious media including the National Catholic Register, Zenit, and many other publications. I still think we should Keep this article. Dgf32 (talk) 02:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, and http://www.sacbee.com/city/story/452835.html looks perfectly fine. Hobit (talk) 02:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, the Bee definitely is a reliable and third-party source, and I can't imagine why the Catholic matter should be discounted simply because they're also pro-life. If all are counted, this fulfills the notability criteria of multiple reliable sources. Nyttend (talk) 19:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, covered in the Sacramento Bee, The Guardian, and the National Catholic Register. --Pixelface (talk) 08:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Business press[edit]
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Article fails WP:NOTABILITY, WP:NOT#REPOSITORY Hu12 (talk) 18:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete without prejudice; if someone can come up with a worthwhile article, let them write it. The present version is just a list, better served by a category. Mangoe (talk) 23:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per nom. BWH76 (talk) 18:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Incisive Media[edit]
- Incisive Media (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Article fails WP:NOTABILITY, WP:NOT, WP:SPAM and WP:COI. Article was created by an WP:SPA account with no other edits other than related to Incisive Media. Was speedied under WP:CSD#G11. Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopaedia article. Hu12 (talk) 17:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Rewrite though. Over 92 Financial Times hits [20] Computerjoe's talk 22:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - notable company, enough sources are available. Article needs to be rewritten though. --Snigbrook (talk) 22:46, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep per notability, 1,110,000 ghits. Clearly in need of expansion and assertion of notability. Billscottbob (talk) 23:43, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well done SEO is now a measure of WP:NOTABILITY ?--Hu12 (talk) 23:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge or redirect to Apax Partners. There's not much actual content here, so a merge or redirect to the parent company seems to be the right editorial course. If someone adds enough verifiable content justifying a separate article, it can always be spun out later.--Kubigula (talk) 03:36, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep; editors can improve and/ or merge through continued discussion elsewhere. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 20:37, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm Happy to be Fat[edit]
- I'm Happy to be Fat (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
There are about 140 episodes of the show True Life shown on MTV, which started in 1998. They're all listed on the show's page - not very pretty, but still listed. Yet there's only four episodes (three from which are the new season) that have pages about them. The main one I've listed has almost nothing in the article; the other four have good summaries but don't need pages in my opinion as about 135 pages of equal value do not. If the episodes do have pages, I say it be something like List of Supernatural episodes where each episode has a tiny summary but not a whole page where it's just a small article and wasting space. Plus there were no real references on the pages. EDIT: Only one to have references is the one that is two sentences long; the other three have none or have external links.
I also am nominating for the same reasoning:
- Comment No real references? There are four references on I'm Happy to be Fat. Two of them are city newspapers. How is that not a real reference? Morhange (talk) 20:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The only page to have references is the one that has two sentences. Sorry, should've made that clear. I just find it ridiculous that an article has more references than sentences. -Babylon pride (talk) 22:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment Would make sense to divide these up by seasons, not delete them. We need some way of discussing these is a more rational fashion than proposing them for deletion one at a time. DGG (talk) 23:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Happy to be fat: very well sourced for a stub. no clue on the other three. Agree with DGG that a season-based approach is the right one here, but that's not for AfD. Hobit (talk) 03:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into True Life so that the sourced sentence can live on. –thedemonhog talk • edits 16:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete with no prejudice against merging. I'll restore history to a subpage if an editor would like to merge. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:11, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Csf creative writing[edit]
- Csf creative writing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
No indication that this college course/department is independently notable. While WP:PROBLEMS with articles are not grounds for deletion, this article carries a promotional tone, which casts doubt on the authors intentions. скоморохъ 17:30, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - No indication that sufficient independent third-party sources exist to allow for a verifiable, neutral article without the use of original research or self published sources. --Allen3 talk 17:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Agree completely with Allen3. Paste (talk) 17:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Organized and referenced article. Sincerely, --Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 17:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No reliable sources, only one external source. fails WP:N. Filled with original research. Doc StrangeTelepathic MessagesStrange Frequencies 17:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)\[reply]
- Merge into College of Santa Fe. – ukexpat (talk) 18:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge into College of Santa Fe. Information like major student publications are appropriate for the main page. The main article is quite small, I see no need for this split without inpependent sources establishing notability. -Verdatum (talk) 19:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per Allen3. BWH76 (talk) 18:12, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete as not being sufficiently notable and lacking any objective sources for the biography of a living person. Note that there is some evidence that this was an autobiography, which was created and edited in violation of said policy. Subject to re-creation at a later time, when an independent editor may find better sources, or the subject becomes more notable. Bearian (talk) 19:18, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Mo Fanning[edit]
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Delete: Fails WP:BIO and WP:RS. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 17:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- As the author in question, I feel this page satisfies your criteria. With my second novel due out at the start of next year, I'd imagine I could warrant an entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by --Escol (talk • contribs) 17:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. --House of Scandal (talk) 19:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Would be nice to know exactly why this is being deleted, if anyone could explain this to me, I'd be grateful! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Escol (talk • contribs) 06:53, 5 March 2008
- Esco, the primary arguments regarding the deletion of the article is that it does not pass the criteria set out on the pages these two links lead to: Wikipedia:Biographies, and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. You may use links to multiple independent reliable sources to confirm the content of the article and its adhesion to our biography guidelines.
- You may also want to read Wikipedia:Autobiography before you continue. While you are welcome to argue your case, it needs to be done in an objective fashion or others might consider you bias due to the fact that you are the author in question. While we do take into account the possibility of conflict of interest, we also take effort to consider any arguments presented. I hope that helps, I have delayed the closing of this debate until more discussion can happen. (1 == 2)Until 17:52, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:12, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ms. Monster[edit]
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The subject does not meed our notability guideline. A quick search showed no sources independent of the subject. WODUP 03:20, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to The Search for the Next Elvira.--TBC!?! 03:32, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete - notability has not been established, and I highly doubt that the subject is notable. -FrankTobia (talk) 00:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. - Philippe | Talk 03:16, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Brent A. Stanton[edit]
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Delete as non-notable. Puff piece, previously comprised almost wholly of copyrighted text. Pluswhich (talk) 16:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete without any real notability connections (referenced gigs are redlinks). - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 02:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
List of quackery works[edit]
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This is not a "list", it's just a jibe against one book (namedropping one other) which uses a forum masquerading as a book review to further the author's POV. I'd definitely be open to any improvements to this article, but in its current state, this article should be deleted and rewritten properly. Also, if it is rewritten, it should be done without use of the word "quackery" as an objective description, since this is a derogatory term we should not be using as such in an encyclopedia. - Zeibura ( talk ) 16:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete - a pathetic unreliably sourced POV coatrack. Always possibility for recreation as a well sourced verifiable list. EJF (talk) 18:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Wikipedia is not a soapbox. Qwfp (talk) 20:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Can we just Speedy this? Mangoe (talk) 23:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete MalwareSmarts (talk) 02:15, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Snowball delete. The lack of even a hint at secondary sources, as well as the edit summary it was created under (For the sake of non-fraudulent science), makes all of the above pretty obvious. Someguy1221 (talk) 16:44, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect. they're cheap, anyway. - Philippe | Talk 03:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
N the Red[edit]
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High School student newspaper. Simply not notable. TexasAndroid (talk) 16:46, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete as per nom. Queerbubbles | Leave me Some Love 16:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I could have done that myself except, IMHO, it really does not meet any of the speedy criteria. I tried to PROD it, but was immediately reverted by the author, which I pretty much expected. It's a good faith attempt at an article on the student paper. It's simply not notable. - TexasAndroid (talk) 17:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Just merge it into Fishers High School. Or delete it. — Scientizzle 17:14, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I am redirecting it right now. I would have anyway. Reywas92Talk 18:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus to delete; default to keep - Philippe | Talk 03:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Toni (slang)[edit]
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Transwikied dictionary definition TexasAndroid (talk) 16:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete No evidence this article can expand beyond a dictionary definition. -Verdatum (talk) 17:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Though still short, this article has already been expanded beyond a dictionary definition. The history and popular usage is explained, as well as what area the term comes from.Hellno2 (talk) 00:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 20:53, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Granny[edit]
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Non-notable direct to video/DVD horror movie. Google search generates an IMDB listing but nothing more. ♣♦ SmartGuy ♥♠ (talk) 16:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I tagged notability concerns on January 11. The article has been edited since then, but though the tag was removed, notability concerns were not addressed. I have myself been unable to locate enough to verify that this film meets Wikipedia:Notability (films) although I did find that in 1995 EW called it "one of the finer pieces of trash to come along in some time" That's the only reliable source I could find, although I did run into a few blog reviews. It is also occasionally mentioned in directory style in biographies of actress Stella Stevens. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete a7, no assertion of notability. NawlinWiki (talk) 15:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Art Kompolt[edit]
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Does not appear to be sufficiently notable. ~600 Google hits, none of the top ones appearing to be major independent coverage. Fightindaman (talk) 16:33, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete - A7 does not meet the WP:BIO guidelines. GtstrickyTalk or C 16:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Dee, A-7 does not source anything that indicates notability; notability context also appears dim. --Pgagnon999 (talk) 07:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete, so tagged by apparent consensus. Hersfold (t/a/c) 15:52, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete - Philippe | Talk 03:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rabiu Ibrahim[edit]
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Player fails WP:BIO#Athletes as he has never played in a fully professional league and consensus is that youth caps do not confer notability. Was originally prodded, but was removed by IP without explanation. пﮟოьεԻ 57 16:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete fails accepted notability standard. English peasant 16:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman (talk) 17:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. robwingfield «T•C» 23:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep - Philippe | Talk 03:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alaa Abdulkareem Fartusi[edit]
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Subject of article, while unfortunately recently deceased, is a casualty of a bombing which already has its own article - 2008 Balad bombing. Article does not establish that the subject has any notability beyond being a victim of that incident. Wikipedia is also not a memorial. Ozgod (talk) 16:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. --House of Scandal (talk) 19:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Several journalists that died during conflict have articles. Died in a notable bombing. Chandlerjoeyross (talk) 01:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- In which case they should be listed within the article which covers the event that they died in. Much like the Virginia Tech massacre where most of the biographies of the victims are kept within the article - unless they were notable for something they did within the scope of that event that made them notable. --Ozgod (talk) 04:52, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep He was a notable cameraman for a Shiite TV station. We have articles on almost all cameramen at American TV stations. Plus, he was the first journalist killed this year in Iraq. Deleting this ould prove how much systemic bias Wikipedia has. Editorofthewiki 09:44, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep -Just try to expand on info about his life/career ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 11:35, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. A one-line mention in the parent radio station article would be enough. This should've been PRODded, to be honest. Black Kite 23:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Soul Review[edit]
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Non-notable subject matter. ukexpat (talk) 22:54, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Red River Radio has an entry and Soul Review is a show that is featured on Red River Radio, therefore, it deserves an entry as well, thus should not be deleted. Ericejenkins (talk) 12:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- delete A one month old show needs a LOT of buzz to be notable. At best this is a short paragraph in the parent article. Mangoe (talk) 15:56, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy Delete - Philippe | Talk 03:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Insiders' Guides[edit]
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Non-notable website. I cannot find any significant mentions anywhere, and there are under twenty google hits (even including several from youtube). The references in the article (as of now) are mere 'placements', such as 'Award for best album, sponsored by Insiders' Guides', and a blog (which doesn't appear to contain any mention of the website). Orphan; contested prod; tagged for notability since September 2007. Mr Stephen (talk) 22:51, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete Fails WP:WEB criteria. No news/Media coverage, and Google comes up with Myspace, Aol, and the website itself. -=Elfin=-341 07:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Speedy delete pure self-promotion of a non-notable web site. I put a WP:SPEEDY tag on it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SmartGuy (talk • contribs) 16:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- edit - I did notice at first that this article has been around for awhile, so I removed the speedy tag. It should still be zapped, though, as it appears from the discussion page and the original author's user page that the article has been prodded at least once, and the original author has been asked in the past to clean up the article. Zap it, baby. ♣♦ SmartGuy ♥♠ (talk) 16:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete per WP:SNOW --JForget 02:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
American Airlines Flight 55[edit]
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- Delete, Wikipedia is not a news source. Event is a minor occurence in aviation. This article fails to meet notability. In addition the article is an orphan Trashbag (talk) 16:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, Wikipedia is not an aviation incident database. The events are not significant and happen too frequently for there to be any encyclopedic purpose in highlighting some that make the media. --Dhartung | Talk 17:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, Wikipedia is not a news service. I can not see why there would be any lasting significance of this event. J Milburn (talk) 17:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete This is just about a flight number with a collection of things that happened on one occasion or another. It would set a bad precedent to keep this, since we could have articles on every scheduled flight with a log of incidents (tire blew, bomb threat, unruly passenger, dirty restroom, bumpy ride, diverted to another airport.) Edison (talk) 18:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete; too trivial an incident for encylopedic inclusion. --MCB (talk) 18:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above. But I'll wait for the next flight, since this one appears to be jinxed. Mandsford (talk) 19:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, no evidence of encyclopedic notability. Stuff happens TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 19:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Not notable, just another bad day at the office nothing unusual. MilborneOne (talk) 20:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - none of the incidents mentioned were serious enough for any non-trivial mention in any kind of reliable source. Major airliner incidents are of course worth writing an article about, but not stuff like this. Matthew Brown (Morven) (T:C) 20:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Very serious incidents which imperiled the survival of the aircraft, such as Air Transat 236 running out of fuel in midair are notable, as are some events which gained unusual levels of interest (e.g. JetBlue 292). However, the incidents listed here are routine snags, handled routinely without any drama, and presented little danger. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Potentialy those hydraulic problems are interesting, but interest does not equal notability. Will rethink if the FAA changes regulations or grunds aircraft something comparable due to this. Blood Red Sandman (Talk) (Contribs) 21:14, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Philippe | Talk 03:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Marion A. Marshall[edit]
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Procedural nomination; prodded and deprodded twice now. Prod concern was that he is an "air force pilot and POW with nothing to distinguish him from any other air force pilot and POW". Some discussion of notability on talk page; I am neutral. Jfire (talk) 22:56, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete This is a case that cuts right to the center of the issue of notability. What is lacking is the sense that the outside world thinks of this guy as having some personal importance. The LOC cite seems to be predicated on him being a typical example of a class, not a individual remarkable in his own right. Mangoe (talk) 15:55, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete this needs more than just an accumulation of highly honorable medals. Our precedent is that for the US, only in the case of the Congressional Medal of Honor alone is it considered reasonably certain to be notable. otherwise significant press coverage must be demonstrated, and it hasn't been here. DGG (talk) 16:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy Keep. Notable footballer, article has strong sources/references. Tiptoety talk 00:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Waldir Guerra[edit]
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Retired soccer player with no assertion of notability. —BradV 15:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Being a national team player is a claim to notability, but since we are here I'd like to see that claim backed up by sources. Player had no entry at National Football Teams. Punkmorten (talk) 16:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep but Expand -He is listed here [21] as a player on the El Salvador team in the CONCACAF Gold Cup qualifying tournament played under the auspices of UNCAF. Mstuczynski (talk) 16:46, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep - He played at the highest level (for El Salvador national football team in the CONCACAF Gold Cup qualifiers - similar to Euro qualifiers) and was notable as joint top scorer of the Salvadorean top flight in 1999 ([22]). Jogurney (talk) 22:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - has full international caps for El Salvador. robwingfield «T•C» 23:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - article now asserts notability. GiantSnowman (talk) 23:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - international footballer = automatically notable. matt91486 (talk) 00:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep, nominator changed !vote to keep and no deletes sources added. Non-admin close. Jfire (talk) 21:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alenty[edit]
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no notability per WP:Notability
The article besides having references to a few blogs does not establish notability per WP:Notability guidelines. Igor Berger (talk) 14:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- What doesn't look notable here is a company with a demo for a web audience measurement tool, so delete unless the currently cited blogs are backed up by reliable sources.--Tikiwont (talk) 15:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep company gets plenty of hits (especially in France) and probably is notable - article will be a sure keep if it provides verification references.--VS talk 21:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete and Userfy I would say keep if WP:v can be established. I tried Googling for secondary references like news paper articles but could not find any in English. Mayabe there asome in French. I do not know if they could be used? I have found reference to venture capitalist funding for the company in this blog article Also I recommend that the author declares any association with the company as to avoid WP:COI issues. And to be extermly careful when editng this article and any other articles in the related field, if such relationship exists. Igor Berger (talk) 22:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a brilliantly funny set of requests coming from you Igor - thank you that'll make a lot of people have a good chuckle. I also wonder if you should be voting twice (given that you lodged the request for deletion and not just as a procedural request.--VS talk 22:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Please count my vote as one. After I nominated the article for deletion I found additional information on it that I thought would be useful with respect to the article's case. Igor Berger (talk) 22:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I can change Delete and Userfy to Userfy being that I nominated the article for deletion and that was my vote that has not changed. Igor Berger (talk) 22:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a brilliantly funny set of requests coming from you Igor - thank you that'll make a lot of people have a good chuckle. I also wonder if you should be voting twice (given that you lodged the request for deletion and not just as a procedural request.--VS talk 22:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per WP:CORP. Notable especially in France. --Veritas (talk) 23:53, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Per CORP it must be notable per secondary Wikipedia:Verifiability#Reliable_sources. Has this notability been established? Did you find a source in French language? Igor Berger (talk) 11:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per CORP. I like to change my vote because it seems notability has been established. Although in French, it is still notable per Wikipedia. an award from industry source. The article will need some help for wikifying because the editor is still not aware of all the wiki syntax. Igor Berger (talk) 13:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. - Philippe | Talk 03:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Glenn Murphy, Jr. (2nd nomination)[edit]
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The result was Delete. -Jéské (v^_^v :L13 ½-Raichu Soulknife) 08:33, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Halo wars 2[edit]
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Unverifiable claims and original research; "Original halo wars" section was copied and pasted from Halo Wars. The first Halo Wars hasn't even been released yet and it talks about Halo Wars 3. Belinrahs (talk) 14:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as per WP:CRYSTAL --Pmedema (talk) 15:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. ArcAngel (talk) 15:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete as vandalism-- creator has been indef blocked. Dlohcierekim 06:18, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: This isn't science and technology. Please move to some more suitable category. Thanks, Qwfp (talk) 19:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ok im sorry i just wanted to get peoples hopes up (falce hope, sure) lol though, right?
is that how you spell false?
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The result was delete all - Philippe | Talk 03:30, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Aporia Society[edit]
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non-notable per WP:MUSIC; part of a group of article intended to promote a single artist - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 14:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Articles included in this AFD:
- Kelvin Tan (Artist) (and the redirect Kelvin Tan), and his songs:
- The Bluest Silence
- Alone, Descending... Sisyphus
- Songs in Search of an Other (Live)
- Disembowelling Brecht
- Being; in the Light of Convergence
- Understanding the Lion
- Mortal Songs for Believers
- Meta(axis): In Reverse
- Remnants from the Cities of Reason
- Myths from the Wilderness
- Truths and Consequences
- Dreams of the Enigma Revealed
- ...and the hope painted the sky grey...
- Hosea's Tears
- Reclaiming; The Double
- Notes to the Infinity
- Embracing the Abyss
- Grace-Centred Soul
- Explorations in View of the Mercy Seat (I)
- Explorations in View of the Mercy Seat (II)
- Unravelling the Stars Eclectic
- Stirrings Within the Realm of the Aleph
- Polyphonic Odes to Solace
- Fragments Towards the Definition of a Consciousness (The Shrewd Watchmakers Journal is a direct copy of this article)
- Bound for Nowhere
- Shards of Fractals in Tandem
- The Nethe(r);R - nn book
- None of these claim any notability whatsoever, and none can be found. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 14:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: I haven't done any research on these articles so I'm not voting but Bound for Nowhere should probably be included as well. Fightindaman (talk) 15:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply. I guess he's creating them as I'm nominating them. Thanks for the catch. I've added it to the list above. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 11:20, March 4, 2008
- Delete, all appear to fail WP:MUSIC TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 19:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete - Philippe | Talk 03:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Stephen McKeever[edit]
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Multiple problems here, for one it is very likely an autobiography, thus the npov, verifiability, and conflict of interest are present. It asserts notability, thus can't be speedy deleted under section A7. Vivio TestarossaTalk Who 13:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: No reliable sources to back up the barely asserted notability. --JD554 (talk) 13:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Clear conflict of interest, and no coverage in reliable sources to verify the bulk of this material. Can anyone ascertain if he has competed in a professional championship? If not, then he fails WP:BIO anyway. PC78 (talk) 14:18, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - COI is grounds for cleanup (and this article needs a big cleanup for NPOV) - not for deletion. I find references that he has performed at the highest levels of Irish motorcycle racing. I don't expect to find a lot of refs because Ireland is relatively small and motorcycle racing is not nearly as popular as other sports. Combine the two and you have a small niche but still I think he satisfies WP:Athlete. Sbowers3 (talk) 14:33, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: There is nothing in the article which says he is a professional rider, so that's out. Is racing Aprilia 125s in clubman championships the highest amateur level available in Ireland? If not, then he fails WP:Athlete. --JD554 (talk) 15:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, the subject asserts (at the Help desk (see below) that he is a professional and that he has been racing at a national level in Ireland. If those statements can be verified then are we okay for notability per WP:Athlete? And then we're okay for Keep with NPOV cleanup, aren't we? Sbowers3 (talk) 14:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, if it can be verified I'll be happy to change my vote to keep. WP:ATHLETE simply needs 1 race at a professional level - a bit of a joke, but that's another argument ;-) --JD554 (talk) 14:48, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay, the subject asserts (at the Help desk (see below) that he is a professional and that he has been racing at a national level in Ireland. If those statements can be verified then are we okay for notability per WP:Athlete? And then we're okay for Keep with NPOV cleanup, aren't we? Sbowers3 (talk) 14:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: There is nothing in the article which says he is a professional rider, so that's out. Is racing Aprilia 125s in clubman championships the highest amateur level available in Ireland? If not, then he fails WP:Athlete. --JD554 (talk) 15:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I am not very bothered by the self-confessed conflict of interest since the article seems not to inflate the chap's achievements. The problem is he clearly has not achieved much so far, which is not to say that he will not do so. Looking at the redlinks on the List of Grand Prix cyclists, I think I would suggest he concentrates on making them into blue links, learning about WP:RS, WP:V and WP:NOTABILITY. - Kittybrewster ☎ 15:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment This comment at the help desk detailing the WP:COI issues here may be considered relevant or not. Pedro : Chat 14:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedily Deleted. Non-admin close. LaMenta3 (talk) 19:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
JobsBroadway.com[edit]
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previously tagged for speedy as a non notable website. AfD may be the more prudent way to go. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I was the speedy nominator: I saw this as an article on a non-notable company being written by one of its founders, and failing WP:COMPANY. I don't know why speedy deletion is inferior to AfD in this respect meaning I may have misinterpreted a CSD guideline, and so will await comments before !voting - Fritzpoll (talk) 13:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The CSD was removed (out of process) by the creator of the article, but with foreign sites for witch there are a lot of google hits (though none seem to be to independent, reliable sources), I prefer to be on the safe side, trying to avoid systematic bias. Someone from the area may come up with some good refs. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 13:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete - Non-Notable, etc. Speedy delete should have been fine I would have thought. Jasynnash2 (talk) 13:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete. No assertion of notability meets A7 criteria at WP:SPEEDY --JD554 (talk) 14:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete A7/web. No assertation of notability. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 14:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete Obviouse speedy... no thought involved.
Retagged as suchRe-tag removed by User:Phil Bridger saying "has an indication of importance/significance so we should let the AfD run its course"--Pmedema (talk) 15:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] - Comment. WP:SNOWBALL? --JD554 (talk) 16:30, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. John254 00:00, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Innovation and its Discontents[edit]
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Fails to meet the relevant notability guideline. No indication of notability and no sign that the book is notable GDallimore (Talk) 13:05, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I've added a couple of references which show that the book meets criteria #1 of WP:BK. --JD554 (talk) 13:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Book is notable and meets WP:BK, per JD554. -FrankTobia (talk) 20:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy keep — was reviewed in The Economist, Scientific American, Newsweek, The New York Times, as well as by many scholarly publications. It is also assigned reading at a number of universities. As such easily and obviously meets notability requirements #1 and #4 at WP:BK. --Fastfission (talk) 16:14, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete per author request. GBT/C 22:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Spellbound (software developer)[edit]
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Insufficient secondary coverage; fails WP:N. One notable game, but notability is not inherited. Percy Snoodle (talk) 13:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC) Percy Snoodle (talk) 13:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete non-notable; prod should have stood. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, unless the nominator can name a policy this article fails. --Pixelface (talk) 19:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This company developed the PC games Desperados: Wanted Dead or Alive, Robin Hood: The Legend of Sherwood, Chicago 1930, Desperados 2: Cooper's Revenge, and they're currently developing Gothic 4. They've also developed 3 games for the Game Boy Color: TOCA Touring Car Championship, Dukes of Hazzard: Racing for Home, and Colin McRae Rally. [23] --Pixelface (talk) 19:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- response - No such information is in the article. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. --Bongwarrior (talk) 01:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Legends of Terris[edit]
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Prod contested because WP:N is "not a policy". No independent coverage; fails WP:WEB, WP:RPG/N, WP:N. Percy Snoodle (talk) 12:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete non-notable; loved the fact that this was written-up in his diary; the ultimate self-published source. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete whatever the reason may be for contesting the prod, there seem to be no independent coverage, failing WP:N Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Pixelface said "removed prod template, WP:N is not a policy" diff. See also Percy's link: "not a policy". Cheers, Jack Merridew 14:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Despite WP:N being "merely" a guideline, failure to satisfy it is indeed a valid reason for deletion. Please see WP:DEL#REASON. Jfire (talk) 20:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related-related deletion discussions. —Gavin Collins (talk) 14:09, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete A7/nn-web. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as original prodder. Non-notable MUD. Jfire (talk) 15:19, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Not notable: notability not established through reliable sourcing. -FrankTobia (talk) 21:05, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete and end the madness before someone gets hurt. I realize this debate has not matured to its full 5 days, but 3.5 more days of this will lead to the inevitable deletion as this subject qualifies as a Speedy A7 (bio) anyway. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 15:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Jack Hobson-Dupont[edit]
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- Jack Hobson-Dupont (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non-notable author. Few Ghits. Books seem largely self published. Xdenizen (talk) 01:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Great write-up. Top notch author who has long deserved credit for his honest and insightful narratives. Couldn't put down his last book and wouldn't be surprised if it finds mainstream appeal with the right packaging. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.179.143.85 (talk • contribs) — 76.179.143.85 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. User also blanked this AfD
- As a young sailor growing up on Nantucket Island, I was fortunate to know Jack Hobson-Dupont. His book, The Piloting Workbook: 3,500 Exercises in Coastwise Navigation: A Practical Course of Study and Review for Both Beginners and Experienced Navigators, encouraged me to find success in racing 420 sailboats and later working as the Head Adult Sailing Instructor for Nantucket Community Sailing during the summers of 2005 and 2006. With personal instruction from Jack Hobson-Dupont, I have furthered my knowledge in sailing and recently was awarded a 50-ton Master's license with a Towing Endorsement from the United States Coast Guard, making me a Merchant Marine Officer. I am thankful to his teachings and base my financial success around my trust in the knowledge learned from him. Captainconnor (talk) 19:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC) — Captainconnor (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Jack Hobson Dupont's The Benzo Book changed my life and the lives of many others as can be seen on the website www.thebenzobook.com. The guestbook on this sight offers just a small sample of the people who this book has touched. Although I realize the original wikipedia entry was lacking in information, I am a connoisseur of books on Nantucket. I knew several Nantucket-related books had featured chapters devoted to Hobson-Dupont and his status as one of Nantucket's most noteable authors. Looking through my library this morning, I was able to find the chapters pertaining to Hobson-Dupont in both Nancy Newhouse's We Are Nantucket: Oral Histories of Life on Nantucket Island and Jean Berrouet's Here's to Nantucket. These books offer some important biographical information on Jack's life and offer informative quotes from interviews with the author himself. These sources enabled me to flesh-out the Wikipedia article and I now believe the article serves as a significant addition to Wikipedia.--Biggytre (talk) 20:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC) — Biggytre (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Does anyone have any further reccomendations for improving the page? I think it looks good right now. Solid summary of Hobson-Dupont's early life, writing career, and current status. The references look good. The two book's that have featured chapter's on Hobson-Dupont and his work help add substance to the Wikipedia page.--Biggytre (talk) 20:46, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Having been addicted to benzos and tranquilizers at one point myself, Hobson's book and personal discussions I have had with the man spearheaded my quest to get clean. I can attest to the validity of his publications and the hope of getting his message to other people. The more people exposed to Hoboson's publications the better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bshepp (talk • contribs) — Bshepp (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Note to closing admin: 76.179.143.85 (talk · contribs), Captainconnor (talk · contribs), Biggytre (talk · contribs) and Bshepp (talk · contribs) would all appear to be the same person. ➨ REDVEЯS dreamt about you last night 22:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note to closing admin: The users listed above are not the same person. I had informed several individuals whom I had met online through our appreciation of Hobson-Dupont's work and informed that I had created a wikipedia page for the author. I was hoping they would give me some positive feedback + provide any additional information they found relevant. I did not intend for them to post positive messages supporting Jack's work in this thread. I think this is simply a case of them misunderstanding the purpose of the thread. I am well aware this forum is not decided by majority vote. --Biggytre (talk) 22:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This is still regarded as sockpuppeting/meatpuppeting. All accounts mentioned above have been blocked indefinitely and the article creator has received a 1 week block.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 01:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- DELETE I can't find anything about this guy that isn't either him pushing his books are prob. naive medical websites uncritically passing it along. Mangoe (talk) 00:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Magoe, the entire point of Wikipedia is too use sources to back up your argument. If you "can't find anything about this guy" then you probably haven't read either the book by Newhouse or the book by Berrouet (listed in the references section of the Hobson-Dupont article), both of which dedicate a chapter to Hobson-Dupont. What are these so called sites you speak of that are "naive medical websites?
- Actually, Mr. H-D, I have checked every reference in the article to the degree possible on-line. We Are Nantucket, ostensibly a collection of oral histories, is obviously not sufficient to establish the kind of notability needed; also, this article claims that it is self-published. The Piloting Workbook is real, but given that I get a single page of hits, it didn't make much of a splash. Referencing your own book website obviously gets us nowhere. The next tow links (by my count) are a service directory and a list of real estate transactions. The Kerry Hallam website also doesn't get us anywhere. The last ref doesn't seem to prove what it's claimed to; indeed, it doesn't seem to be a reference at all. So what we've got here is a lot of nothing. Mangoe (talk) 01:54, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Save Tranquilizer addiction clearly doesn't receive the same press as say cocaine or heroin addiction, but has more potential for affecting a much greater segment of the population, and is clearly no laughing matter. While it is true that Jack Hobson-Dupont isn't an established research scientist, his writing does have potential to help those, as it has helped my sister, sharing addiction issues similar to his. This Wikipedia article is useful in that it helps parties interested Jack's book to learn more about the author. (deleted) 21:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)— 24.241.23.235 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Delete non-notable according to what is in the article coupled with some research of my own. --Fredrick day (talk) 14:20, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete self-published author who does not meet WP:BIO --NeilN talk ♦ contribs 14:23, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Wholly non-notable. This AfD is infested with socks. seicer | talk | contribs 14:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete as a non-notable author. I think I may be finally able to find my missing socks from my laundry here too. Wildthing61476 (talk) 15:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 23:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Dean Santoro[edit]
- Dean Santoro (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Delete or get citations. See WP:BIO. I had previously asked for citations to be placed i article, but the writer ignored the request. It reads like an campaign ad. I am someone that hates AFD's and believe most bio's should be allowed to remain, but since there are no references after being asked to provide some, I decided to nominate for AFD. Callelinea (talk) 19:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Even with citations this does not qualify under wp:bio#politicians, the sole notability this article asserts is the fact that he is running for office. The criteria for political inclusion are very liberal, but do state that the subject must have held office barring any other qualifications under wp:bio. I quote:
Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such a person may be notable for other reasons besides their political careers alone."
No assertations of notability, no article. Mstuczynski (talk) 15:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The clause you quote does not mean that it is impossible to be notable by reason only of a run for office (several of us are of the view that major party nominees for gubernatorial office, for example, are almost always notable), just that, unlike for people holding national elected office (for example), unsuccessful candidates are not inherently notable - as always, WP:N is the deciding factor. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 05:13, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- In which case the major party candidate would generally qualify under general WP:BIO criteria even if he does not under WP:BIO#POLITICIANS. Mitt Romney when he ran for Governor of Massachusetts being a perfect example for his notability with the Salt Lake City Olympics. My initial statement mentioned that the sole claim of notability in this article would fall under politicians. My final statement indicated that this article makes no assertion of general notability and I stand by both. Mstuczynski (talk) 05:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure, and I agree with you about this article. It's just that there are many editors who see "unelected candidate" and automatically assume non-notable when, as you acknowledge, it's substantially more nuanced than that. I wanted to make sure that you weren't one of these. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 19:42, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Not in the least. Thank you. Mstuczynski (talk) 00:42, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure, and I agree with you about this article. It's just that there are many editors who see "unelected candidate" and automatically assume non-notable when, as you acknowledge, it's substantially more nuanced than that. I wanted to make sure that you weren't one of these. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 19:42, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, candidate with no apparent notability. --Dhartung | Talk 17:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, per lack of inherent notability (per WP:BIO) and lack of evidence of significant coverage in reliable third party sources (per WP:N). Sarcasticidealist (talk) 05:13, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 23:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"spy incident"[edit]
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Not notable enough for own article. Include in Oklahoma Sooners football if notable enough for that. →Wordbuilder (talk) 00:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Already covered in Oklahoma Sooners football. The added information is not verified. If it could be verified, I'd say to expand (a little) on the portion that is in Oklahoma Sooners football. --Pmedema (talk) 15:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, best covered in general article on the team or the season. --Dhartung | Talk 17:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per above. Reywas92Talk 21:33, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete not sufficient for own article, covered already in Oklahoma Sooners football. Keith D (talk) 23:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:14, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Harlow's Casino Resort[edit]
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Delete and Salt - Commercial entry, Not notworthy and reads like a marketing flyer Pfrancois (talk • contribs) 04:23, 4 March 2008 (UTC) Text copied from article talk page. ➨ REDVEЯS dreamt about you last night 12:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral, I'm very consensus based and therefore don't have a vote on this one. And since IMHO I really don't like the article in the first place, I'm fine with it getting deleted. So count my vote as delete if it comes down to it. Anyways: *bops User:Pfrancois for saying Chet wrote it like a "marketing flyer"* :P. ChetblongT C 00:16, 5 March 2008 (UTC)I have changed my vote to keep based on this, the person who nominated this for deletion was doing it out of vengeance that I had deleted an article they created. --ChetblongT C 02:54, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]- Comment. I don't think it reads like a flyer. Basketball110 what famous people say ♣ 00:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Most casinos are notable. Being a poorly written article is not a reason to delete. I did some minor cleanup and tagged it for the advertising tone. We some additional cleanup and better sources there would be no reason to delete. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:09, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Eshu (World of Darkness)[edit]
- Eshu (World of Darkness) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Contested prod. Non-notable character creation option; fails WP:RPG/N and WP:N. Percy Snoodle (talk) 12:43, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete non-notable. Great Original Research, though: They embody the spirit of adventure, wandering the world in search of excitement. Cheers, Jack Merridew 13:15, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, it's pretty much a straight out copy from the text of Changeling the Dreaming. Concern about Copyvio, possible. OR? Not so much. 68.101.17.108 (talk) 01:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete or merge to Changeling: The Dreaming or a related article if reliable sources can be found. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:05, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete As much as I like Changeling (seeing as I started the article) it really isn't necessary as far as Wikipedia standards go. Deafgeek (talk) 03:50, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep, non admin. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 09:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Elbow Room[edit]
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I can't find any reliable, third-party sources that address this venue. It has a history, but is it truly notable on its own? If so feel free to correct me. h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 12:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment From what I can tell, the notability standard for nightclubs is existence. In that wise, this place is notable, as it is certainly easy to show it exists. Googling also shows its fifteen minutes of notoriety in that it was the venue for an infamous attack four years ago. If it were up to me, I would say "delete", but it's obvious from reviewing the categories that my standards are stricter than would be accepted. Mangoe (talk) 14:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep This title may need a disambiguation page. There are other places of the same name that are also notable. The Elbow Room in Dutch Harbor, Alaska, for example, has multiple sources referencing it. - Michael J Swassing (talk) 16:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Michael J Swassing - likewise, there's a well-known club in Albany, New York off of Lark Street with the same name. Bearian (talk) 19:24, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 02:15, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Matthew Brown (political activist)[edit]
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This is a hoax. No such person exists. Tryde (talk) 12:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. No, he definitely exists [24] [25]. These articles are from 2001, though, since when he appears to have disappeared from the scene. I suspect the only reaons he's even quoted in those reliable sources is the novelty of being a 16-year-old political activist. I have moved the article to a more neutral title - I see no evidence of a Knighthood and there's no direct sourcing, externally or through wikilinks, for the "Baronet" either at the moment. Black Kite 12:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy delete. Hoax. - Kittybrewster ☎ 12:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I have been going through the article deleting everything that was unsourced, most of which is palpable nonsense. There are a few references which survived the cull, but they don't pass the multiple references in independent reliable sources test. He is simply not notable except for his talent for publicity and lack of political nouse. I strongly suspect the article was created and enhanced by the subject. - Kittybrewster ☎ 13:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:BIO. An inch away from being a speedy delete. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Agreed - As per WP:BIO - a bang on the table and the ball would drop into a speedy! --Pmedema (talk) 15:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Black Kite. It does indeed appear that he exists, but a few one-para mentions in the papers over does not amount to notability per WP:BIO: this kid was a one-minute wonder. I suspect that Kittybrewster is right about the COI, but while the article contained a lot of hoax/vanity material, the core of it is demonstrably not a hoax, so it's not speediable. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:53, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- PS there is a redirect to this article from its former name, Sir Matthew Brown, Bt.. I suggest leaving the redirect in place while the AfD is underway, but even if the article is kept, the redirect should be deleted - there is no evidence that he is a baronet. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Clearly non notable and fails WP:BIO by the proverbial mile. - Galloglass 16:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Keep. Both sides of the debate raise strong points, which I will discuss briefly. The primary reason cited for Deletion is WP:CRYSTAL, of which the first criteria is relevant to this article: Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. This is refuted by the noted facts that 1) there are sources, in the form of interviews and independent coverage of the event, that indicate notability, and 2) As confirmed by these sources, the event is almost certain to take place. As there is verifiable information on the project, there is some value in providing that information at this early stage, as noted by Phil Sandifer and others. I caution editors on this article to avoid speculation, and to rely on secondary sources, as it is correctly noted below that an article consisting exclusively of a plot summary for a future storyline would be justifiably deleted. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 13:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Green Lantern: The Blackest Night[edit]
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The article lacks: notability, information, and cited sources for what information is there. Most information that like articles support with primary source information cannot be supported that way in this article as the story will not see print for a year and half, at the least. The article is a stub, the creator's protestations not withstanding (see edit summary here, that is crystal balling an unpublished comic book storyline. J Greb (talk) 11:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete This is crystal balling and, as has been discussed a lot in the Comic Project, DC can often be tricky with some of their previews. I'd suggest the creator sandbox this, it can be updated with anything that emerges (I'd imagine things will go quiet again until closer to the time) and we can return to this entry in a years time when we know this is even a proper project. (Emperor (talk) 13:53, 4 March 2008 (UTC))[reply]
- Keep. The article does not engage in speculation, but instead reports the known facts about this storyline, which there are many of. The "primary source information" argument is both strained (I'm pretty sure there've been a good number of interviews on this by now) and beside the point. And I don't think anybody seriously disputes that this story is something we're going to have an article on when it comes out. In which case having the non-trivial amount of verifiable information about it in an article now seems harmless. The story already exists as an object that is being marketed, and we can discuss it meaningfully. Furthermore, an article founded now will have certain perspectives about the build and marketing that articles written after the fact rarely have in detail - that is, having an article now improves the article later. Phil Sandifer (talk) 14:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments — First a point of clarification regarding the "information from primary sources", generally this is the stuff in the infobox which is based from the actual comic. At the moment three and a half of those items are supported: publisher, writer, scheduled release date (not a publication date until it actually sees print), and half the proposed cast. The other half of the cast is a very, very good assumption, but the rest is an "I think".
The allusions section, aside from the quote which seems out of place here, covers the teaser sequence from Green Lantern v4 #25. There is no information there about other allusion, potential or otherwise, in Rebirth, Recharged, GL, or GLC as pointed to by Johns, reviewers, or critical discussion of the series.
The facts section does indeed have cites, 2 of ich correspond to the 2 sentences relevant to the article. The third, and its sentence, is tangential at best.
Is there an argument that this article is going to be need, yes, when there's the information to warrant it. What's there currently doesn't. If there is more, if there is that good number of interviews, if they provide more than just the same info over and over and over, please, lets see it added. If it is there I'd rather be shown wrong than for us to have a stub encyclopedia article just, as it appears, to have it and reads as "More news as it happens." - J Greb (talk) 23:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments — First a point of clarification regarding the "information from primary sources", generally this is the stuff in the infobox which is based from the actual comic. At the moment three and a half of those items are supported: publisher, writer, scheduled release date (not a publication date until it actually sees print), and half the proposed cast. The other half of the cast is a very, very good assumption, but the rest is an "I think".
- Keep If anything, it can be said that the article (as of this writing) does a great job of avoiding speculation. It's a decent placeholder until more details are inevitably revealed over the next couple of months. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:09, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Although it could fall into WP:CRYSTAL, the expectation of this comic is notable and verifiable in its self.--Pmedema (talk) 15:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Nominating an article for deletion a day after it was created and citing lack of sources and that it's a stub is a fool's errand. Articles don't just spring out at FA quality; they have to work to get there. Give it time. --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 22:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per J Greb and Emperor. We can reasses it when more information becomes available. But pretty much all that's available about the story right now amounts to "Hey, Geoff Johns has this Green Lantern storyline coming out in 2009!" and nothing more. WesleyDodds (talk) 12:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Making an entry for something coming in a year doesn't seem so asinine considering the same is done for movies on this site. There's enough to go on in that article for this entry to be active. Cubzrule (talk) 19:27, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment films tend to have to have a long time in production because they have to finalise the script, get funding, cast. shoot, edit, etc. so you know it is on its way quite a while ahead of time (barring incidents). Even then starting an entry for a film possibly a year and a half away might be frowned on. We have previously discussed this issue in the comics project and given the fact that some companies have floated series as misdirection for other developments it was felt that it'd be unwise to start entries so far in advance - at least until we can be sure this is going to happen. As has been said a deletion now won't prejudice bringing it back when the publicity machine gears up closer to the launch (if there ever is one) but 15 months (at a minimum) is a long time in comics. (Emperor (talk) 00:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC))[reply]
- Delete - agreed with User:Emperor. DC is noted for last minute editorial/storyline shifts (ala Monarch/Atom/Hawk). A similar argument arose with comprable topic Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black Lantern Corps which also resulted in delete. Whereas this current page focuses on the storyline and does a better job of avoid most (not all) of the orginal research/speculation, the primary issue why Black Lantern Corps was deleted, and this page should be to is crystal balling. -66.109.248.114 (talk) 02:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC).[reply]
- I think you're having problems distinguishing between speculation and sourced speculation. Black Lantern Corps was rightfully deleted because nobody knows anything about them. But there are sources for this article, and Black Lantern Corps' deletion shouldn't factor into this discussion. --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 03:36, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Please note with my lead sentence, my primary objection is that of editorial shifting even after promotional material and interviews have taken place. IGN's article did point to the storyline, but over a year can create difficulties. The Corps are of a related nature and used the same sources the for that article. My recommendation, is that future comic events could be article after the solicitations are released for that event (merely a suggestion). -66.109.248.114 (talk) 04:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC).[reply]
- Delete. Any judgment of this story's significance is crystal balling. Not every storyline gets its own article. Doczilla RAWR! 07:12, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. There's going to be more and more information with each issue in Green Lantern and Green Lantern Corps. By starting the article early, it will be a great resource of information when the event finally does roll around with a comprehensive break down of the hints that Johns and Tomasi will undoubtedly be planting. It's also received the Future class rating by WikiProject Comics. --CmdrClow (talk) 09:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- NO. I see the article as a place to accumulate known facts about the event that are revealed through interviews, issues of GL, statements, etc. --CmdrClow (talk) 03:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Stark facts and quoted, uninterpreted hints from interviews with those with a hand in the story are one thing. Pointing to issues of Green Lantern and/or Green Lantern Corps directly is something else.
It would be reasonable to cite statements from Johns, and quote him, such as "This or that issues issue sets a lot up", "Pay attention to this sequence", or "Keep tabs on that character." That's nice and clear cut, without any interpretations, conclusions, or deductions being made.
Pointing to an issue, character, panel, or sequence directly is drawing a conclusion in this case. It is assuming that what is pointed out is a hint or pivotal to a story 15+ months down the road. Implicitly or explicitly positioning an article to include that is crystal balling and sounds like setting up for original research. - J Greb (talk) 03:33, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Stark facts and quoted, uninterpreted hints from interviews with those with a hand in the story are one thing. Pointing to issues of Green Lantern and/or Green Lantern Corps directly is something else.
- Another point is that there is so little known about the story (largely because it hasn't been written yet) that what is known can probably just be merged into a Green Lantern article. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- And an addendum: this edit and this one add nothing but plot summaries of current issues that are not explicitly, either in story or by way of cited comments from secondary source, identified and as moving towards the proported topic of the article. This is speculation at best, at worst it is OR, an editor using a Wikipedia article to present his interpretations of the subject. - J Greb (talk) 23:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Another point is that there is so little known about the story (largely because it hasn't been written yet) that what is known can probably just be merged into a Green Lantern article. WesleyDodds (talk) 08:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Needed to go to the infobox to discover what this was all about. It's a comic book? Right? Poorly presented article. 222.153.71.173 (talk) 03:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That's more of a writing-based problem than something that requires deletion. And it's fixable. And I fixed it. --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 20:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - While I can see the arguments in favor of keeping the quotations, as indicated, this company is noted for changing things at the last minute. Would not necessarily object if the quotes were to be merged to some other appropriate location or placed in userspace if someone so desired, though. John Carter (talk) 17:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd think that DC cancelling the highly-anticipated sequel to a highly-anticipated story would garner sufficient reaction to become notable. And if they don't cancel it, the story either meets expectations and becomes notable or doesn't meet expectations and becomes notable for being a failure. Either way, it's notable. Of course, that's all speculation - but no more so than speculating that because DC changed one storyline in the past it's going to do it with this one. --Hemlock Martinis (talk) 20:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It will most likely be notable, but right now next to nothing is known about the story. There's been a few short remarks by Geoff Johns to the comics press about it, but there's little sustance on which to build an article on, even given it's an upcoming release. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:26, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - This story is going to need an archive of related information for new readers to keep up with it, and a Wikipedia article would be a great place to go for facts in-story and from the creators themselves. --ComicsPlace (talk) 20:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It would be, but right now very little is known, or even worked out. The story's over a year away, and Geoff Johns has to write all the Green Lantern issues in between first. WesleyDodds (talk) 23:26, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per Emperor and WP:CRYSTAL. Doctorfluffy (talk) 23:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- NOTE: Because WikiProject Comics has rated the article as Future class, and as long as no predictions about what happens within the story make their way into the article, WP:CRYSTAL wouldn't really apply. It's not a prediction since we know it's going to happen. As it stands, the article doesn't violate the policy. --CmdrClow (talk) 23:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- NOTE: The "Allusions" section from the 4th paragraph down ("In Green Lantern #28,..." on) is speculation about what plot elements lead into the event. Further, classing the article as "Future" is the most accurate classification available since "Speculation" and "Far future" don't exist. Having the article properly classed is neither an endorsement or condemnation. (And this is coming from the editor that "fixed" the class and is tempted to likewise fix the infobox.) - J Greb (talk) 23:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The allusions are substantiated by the creators. For instance, an allusion is that Atrocitous will have a role in the event because the Red Lanterns will have a role in the event, as confirmed by Johns and Van Sciver. --!CmdrClow (talk) 04:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Then they need to be cited back, and pared down to the creators remarks, not just on the stories or drawn conclusions. With the example above, what exactly does Johns and/or van Sciver say? Do they name the character as being important? Or do they just mention the Red Lanterns along with the other 4 new Corps? If it's the character, they, the writer and potential artist, need to be cited on it. If it's the Corps, then that needs to be the sourced statement, with the impetus points for the 6 Corps stated factually with minimal plot. An editor's logic chain about a just published plot element and its impact on a future story, cited to nothing but the just published primary source, is at the very least original research, and does rise to crystal balling. - J Greb (talk) 11:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The allusions are substantiated by the creators. For instance, an allusion is that Atrocitous will have a role in the event because the Red Lanterns will have a role in the event, as confirmed by Johns and Van Sciver. --!CmdrClow (talk) 04:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- NOTE: The "Allusions" section from the 4th paragraph down ("In Green Lantern #28,..." on) is speculation about what plot elements lead into the event. Further, classing the article as "Future" is the most accurate classification available since "Speculation" and "Far future" don't exist. Having the article properly classed is neither an endorsement or condemnation. (And this is coming from the editor that "fixed" the class and is tempted to likewise fix the infobox.) - J Greb (talk) 23:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- NOTE: Because WikiProject Comics has rated the article as Future class, and as long as no predictions about what happens within the story make their way into the article, WP:CRYSTAL wouldn't really apply. It's not a prediction since we know it's going to happen. As it stands, the article doesn't violate the policy. --CmdrClow (talk) 23:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Perhaps this would be a useful redirect to Taj Mahal: The True Story (book), but there's no consensus here, so I leave that to the interested editors.--Kubigula (talk) 03:48, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Tejo Mahalya[edit]
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Per WP:Fringe, WP:FORK and WP:UNDUE - the P.N. Oak theory can never be effectively supported "in a serious manner, in at least one major publication, or by a notable group or individual that is independent of the theory" - Stephen Knapp isn't a reliable or independent source. It's an interesting idea - but without any academically accepted evidence it must remain a theory. An [RFC] has already been held to determine the weight that the idea should be given on the Taj Mahal article - this, and the Taj Mahal: The True Story (book) article both represent POV forking Joopercoopers (talk) 11:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Also, this is already more than adequately covered in Taj Mahal, P.N. Oak and Taj Mahal: The True Story (book). Paul B (talk) 11:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep : --Ne0Freedom 15:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
- First of all, please inform yourself on what a conspiracy theory is.
- Second, you conveniently forgot to mention the convincing photos the book is based on.
- Third, describing the beliefs and opinions of minority as one of many "myths" is NOT "adequately covering" and certainly not NPOV, if any one even cares about that.
- Comment: There is already an article on the book. Your own comments clearly indicate that the article is a POV Fork. Paul B (talk) 17:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes - I'm a little concerned about this user's Hindu gods (no capital G?) for the same reason - would someone take a look for a second opinion (that's as opposed to the existing article Hindu deities - I think he should perhaps be using his userspace for this sort of thing. --Joopercoopers (talk) 17:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Has anyone noticed that the Maharajah Jai Singh mentioned in the article redirects to Jai Singh II of Amber who was apparently born 40 years after the completion of the Taj rather than Jai Singh I to whom the Mughal court chronicles refer to? Or is secret time travel also alleged? The redirect was another creation of this user - Shouldn't 'Maharajah Jai Singh' be a dab page? --Joopercoopers (talk) 18:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: There is already an article on the book. Your own comments clearly indicate that the article is a POV Fork. Paul B (talk) 17:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Too shallow too little notability --BozMo talk 15:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge and redirect Tejo Mahalya and Taj Mahal: The True Story (book) (which also does not have any independent references) to P.N. Oak. Mahalya needs to be changed to Mahalay? Doldrums (talk) 08:59, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete anything useful can be merged to Taj Mahal: The True Story (book), or P.N. Oak. Does not merit a page on its own. Noor Aalam (talk) 23:54, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete --JForget 23:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Frouke[edit]
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Move to Wiktionary. - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 11:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Agree dictionary entry already exists. TrulyBlue (talk) 11:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - WP:NAD --Pmedema (talk) 16:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Wikipedia is not a dictionary, as noted above. --Darkprincealain (talk) 18:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per all the above Beeblbrox (talk) 21:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Speedy delete by Maxim (talk · contribs), non-admin closure. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ash & Pichu[edit]
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fails WP:N, WP:V, and WP:RS. nn subject, and no third party reliable and verifiable sources. nat.utoronto 11:34, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete as hoax. I ran into the creator of the article a couple times back when he was active, and he had a habit of vandalizing Pokémon articles, such as changing "Pikachu" to "Pichu". The Japanese Wikipedia article for Takashi Teshirogi does list a Satoshi to Pikachu, so my guess is this is a copy of that article. —TangentCube, Dialogues 12:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete apparent hoax. Source it or lose it. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Only 2 ghits for "Satoshi to Pichu" (quoted), and they're wikipedia and a mirror. No ghits for "サトシとピチュ" on japanese pages from Google. Agree with hoax evaluation — TheBilly(Talk) 15:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - A CSD G3 even. WP:HOAX, WP:MADEUP etc...etc...--Pmedema (talk) 17:23, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Kick AshSpeedy delete G3 as pure hoax, so tagged. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshells•Otter chirps) 23:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete --Salix alba (talk) 20:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Mex files[edit]
Wikipedia is not a How-to guide to "increasing the efficiency of your MATLAB programs". Delete. Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 11:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete --JForget 23:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Regional radio stations[edit]
Article only provides limited spectrum of one geographical area, therefore should not hold a main generic article title. In addition, websites, player links, and type of player are superfluous as well as grounds to consider a spam article. If it is to be made into another article, it needs to conform to current radio station market articles currently in place in other areas around the world. Unreferenced information, Uncategorized. - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 10:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:15, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Softconnection[edit]
Already speedily deleted article about a company, brought here so that it can be discussed together with their backup software. The given sources are mostly republished press releases and a quick search didn't unearth more substantial coverage. Tikiwont (talk) 10:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was speedily deleted under G12. Carlosguitar (ready and willing) 10:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] You and i by sam milby[edit]
Wikipedia is not your personal webspace. - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 10:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete --JForget 23:32, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Phzil Bowrey[edit]
No evidence that this character exists, or the "Beyond Imagination" series. Appears to be a hoax. --Snigbrook (talk) 09:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:16, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Highfield Park[edit]
This is not notable enough for an article, see Notability (Places and transportation). PROD removed without comment by author. JohnCD (talk) 09:57, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete --JForget 23:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Frank Bell (entertainer)[edit]
Procedural nom. Has been speedied twice before; here it is again with possibly an assertion of importance. However, I don't think there is enough substantial independent coverage of this subject to pass the notability guidelines. Marasmusine (talk) 09:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as non-notable. Only reference sources are YouTube and the subject's own blog. --DAJF (talk) 09:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Laterose[edit]
Non-notable fancruft. This is a fictional character in a series of books, having no real-world notability. No encyclopedic content. The article is written as in-universe style, is solely plot summary, and is original research. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 01:25, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete per WP:SNOW --JForget 02:17, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Luca Santonocito[edit]
Non-notable youth footballer. Has never played at professional level therefore fails WP:ATHLETE & WP:FOOTY/Notability English peasant 09:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Collision Theatre Company[edit]
RS coverage is trivial and local in scope, not even the big Chicago papers. Ghits are primarily play listings and participant information, nothing to assert notability. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 05:04, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 13:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] List of veterans of the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars[edit]
This is a seemingly random listing of people who happened to have served in either/or Afghanistan or Iraq, some of whom are world famous and some of whom are obscure. As such, I believe that it should be deleted as it is an indiscriminate collection of information and a non-encyclopedic cross-categorization. Appropriate categories already seem to exist for people who served in these wars, so this kind of list serves little purpose and will never be complete. Nick Dowling (talk) 07:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Speedy Delete (CSD A7). -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Www.aksplace.com[edit]
Is this relevant. Alexa returned no rank.. Anshuk (talk) 07:32, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I do not support this article to be tagged for speedy deletion but to be added to wiki regarding the character behind www.aksplace.com He is a legendary offshore insider and he has yet to be added to wiki with others in this industry. It would be a shame without knowing the facts and knowledge before considering deleting this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drhilton (talk • contribs) 07:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Snowball delete --JForget 02:22, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Leadership at Patrican Brothers' College, Fairfield[edit]
Article on non-notable topic: the student leadership system at one particular school. A disputed PROD, PROD tag removed with the comment "i object to this banner" Mattinbgn\talk 07:22, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
this page was created to remedy issues with the content on the original page Patrican Brothers' College, Fairfield. it was decided through dicussion that this content should not be incuded on the main page, but could be linked to another page, hence this addition. it is not of any consequence that this is the leadership strucutre at one school. the point of wikipea is to provide information to the general public. this is information that some people may find interesting, and if only one person finds it useful, that it has a right on wikipedia. i would request that the referal for deletion is removed for this reason. cheers Zebra91 (talk) 08:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Snow ball Delete--JForget 02:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Nomi Deutch[edit]
Delete, I do not see any suffucuent reasons to claim notability. Student scholarships are not the reasons to include into wikipedia. Also the article appears to be a an autobiography Alex Bakharev (talk) 00:16, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Delete --JForget 23:34, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Tsar Bomb (Cocktail)[edit]
Wikipedia is not for things made up while mixing whatever booze you can find in the dorm room one day. Weregerbil (talk) 07:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:NFT. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 01:41, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was No consensus to delete. Black Kite 00:01, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Ron Protas[edit]
Decline a speedy on this because I thought consensus is a great thing. I know, WP:NOT#INHERITED, but the guy is mentioned in at least ten New York Times articles, and the legal battle could be something... I'm not sure about this one. Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 06:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. While spin-out articles may rely to a certain extent on the notability of the parent, notability is not inherited, and WP:FICT indicates that "editors should strive to establish notability by providing as much real-world content as possible for...spinout articles." Consensus in this debate has been that this article does not demonstrate that this information is of sufficient notability outside of the game to warrant separate coverage. While it is advised that editors who consider fictional topics non-notable pursue various steps to establish notability, it is not a requirement prior to AfD, particularly if the AfD nominator does not believe those concerns can be addressed. I note that a number of those arguing for deletion have also proposed transwiki of this material. It has accordingly been relocated here with its editing history intact on the discussion page. I have not userfied the material, but am quite willing to do so if the editors who propose to keep the article would like the history to help found a new article that addresses the concerns that led to deletion. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:11, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
List of Devil May Cry Demons[edit]
This article was created on February 8, 2008, since its creation deletion or merger have been proposed on the talk pages of the Devil May Cry Task Force and Characters in Devil May Cry, however the scope of these discussions has been small, currently consisting of three supporting merger and one opposing it. Still only members of the task force have debated over the matter and a consensus of the community as a whole is certainly welcomed, my reasons for deletion are several: #1 The article is a long list mostly consisting of characters that not only are minor but have absolutely no background information available for them. #2 The article is completely written from a in-universe perspective with the chances of out of universe information appearing being extremely slim. #3 The notable characters in the list are already listed in Characters in Devil May Cry as well as their reception information. #4 The scope of the list seems to fail WP:FICT, mostly consisting of what is usually considered WP:GAMECRUFT and its content would serve better in the Devil May Cry Wikia. - Caribbean~H.Q. 06:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Oppose strongly It's barely been created for a few weeks and is far from its initial conception which was largely stupid and most certainly fancruft. There are people attempting to work on it and provide all manner of information possible regarding their design and creation and importance to events in the game and the propagation of the fictional story. The characters page not only omits important characters but in some cases is incredibly basic information that by itself would not validate importance. Nero for example is a main character now and yet has a basic paragraph with no real information and the same can be said for most entries on that page. It exists however because they play a role within the games narrative. THe enemies of the DMC series play a role which in many cases fits into a particular style or theme for the narrative of the game they feature in. This is information you cannot get anywhere else apart from in-game, anime or from manga sources or a DMC Wiki which isn't as prominent as wikipedia. Even the official site confusingly features only a few and seemingly non-prominent enemies and characters but it DOES feature them. I am under the impression that wikipedia is a place for obtaining knowledge on things and these, which with time we can improve, are not less notable than half the film articles that feature year of release, a picture and an IMDB link or even music albums and songs. We are working on it, prominently myself and KrytenKyro but we are working on it and improving it where and as much as possible. EDIT: It also isn't any less notable than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_resident_evil_creatures or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsters_of_Final_Fantasy and yet this article is the one thats being given no chance to grow or improve and being put up for deletion so readily despite any opposition. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 17:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
22:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Seriously, anyone going to explain how http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Silent_Hill_monsters, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_resident_evil_creatures or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsters_of_Final_Fantasy get a free pass and this article is not considered as good and/or possible for editing and bettering? That Silent Hill monsters has been around for well over a year at least without being deleted and this has been given 4 weeks.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 01:57, 5 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Finally, there is the recurring claim that goes like this:
We've had one month. The article creator left early on, and it took a while for me and DarkWarriorblade to find the article. I've only been working on it for I think a week and a half, and a lot has been done to bring it up to code. Notability exists. Independent usefulness exists. Background information exists. Give us a chance to continue cleaning up the article, and I believe you'll eventually see how useful it can be.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 05:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete: This is a purely fancruft listing of non-notable monsters from a video game series, and as such has no place on Wikipedia. This listing could be valuable or interesting as part of a game guide or fan site, but Wikipedia is neither. The entries that are not already covered by the Characters page are mere gameplay obstacles, of no more noteworthiness than a simple block in a Mario game. --Boradis (talk) 12:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:17, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] RotoResume[edit]
No evidence of secondary coverage. Less than 100 Google hits. Appears to be a non-notable company. Delete. Fightindaman (talk) 06:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:18, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Randaline Fortune[edit]
Tragic, notable but simply a news story. Clearly falls into WP:NOT#NEWS. In six months time there may be an article but currently there is simply a tragic news story. Wikinews is setup to cover this type of material Peripitus (Talk) 06:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Speedy delete per discussion. Ckatzchatspy 05:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Chili Cheese Chalupa[edit]
The result was keep per discussion below. Any cleanup issues should be handled on the article or its talk page. Non-admin close. --jonny-mt^ Howard King (public-address announcer)[edit]
Non-notable announcer. Mikeblas (talk) 05:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:19, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Lights (singer)[edit]
Non-notable musician - searching doesn't reveal any substantial/significant coverage to establish notability. Fails WP:MUSIC. [27] Wisdom89 (T / C) 05:10, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:20, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Kenneth Levin[edit]
Non-notable academic. Fails WP:PROF. Created by user who has created a long list of such articles sourced to partisan sources, see WP:BLP/N#American academics. Contested prod. Relata refero (talk) 13:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was speedy deleteper A7 criteria. Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 05:22, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Mir Abbas Jalali[edit]
No assertion of notability. Fails WP:PROF. Wisdom89 (T / C) 04:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 05:21, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Elégy[edit]
Wikipedia is not a personal webhost. - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 04:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. KrakatoaKatie 03:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Robin Green (computer scientist)[edit]
This article has been tagged for notability and for use of solely primary sources for quite some time, and I can't find sufficient third-party sources about this person to demonstrate that he meets Wikipedia's inclusion criteria for biographies. JavaTenor (talk) 04:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep per notability of topic indicated in discussion below. Cleanup and disambiguation issues can be handled through the normal editing process. Non-admin close. --jonny-mt 15:49, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] New Taiwanese Literature[edit]
This article has been tagged with {{unreferenced}} and {{importance}} both since June 2007. I beleive these are still valid taggings. Since then, no attempt has been made to address these issues. Rockfang (talk) 03:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was no consensus. Merging is left to editorial discretion. seresin | wasn't he just...? 05:21, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Pop Odyssey Tour[edit]
Non-notable tour. No independent sources on page. Bizarre claims that this was the largest tour in the music business and last stadium tour in music are supported by a link to the DVD on Amazon. Paddy Simcox (talk) 03:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was Speedy Delete A7. Tiptoety talk 04:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Nate True[edit]
Unnotable minor inventor whose claim to fame seems to be minor hacking of the iPhone and other various minor products which are just small updates of other inventions. Most links within the article are from the person's webpage or other projects for other websites and Google hits are under 200. Nate • (chatter) 03:33, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was keep. The discussion below notes that notability concerns have been addressed and that the currently-available primary sources have confirmed that the event will take place, thereby satisfying WP:CRYSTAL. Non-admin close. --jonny-mt 15:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Kiss World Tour 2008[edit]
Future tour article violates WP:NOT#CRYSTAL. Sources on page are not independent. Paddy Simcox (talk) 03:23, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was no consensus to delete; default to keep. - Philippe | Talk 02:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Sarah Larson[edit]
She apparently is notable for being a former cocktail waitress, appearing on a reality show, and dating George Clooney. Insufficient, in my book. ZimZalaBim talk 03:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. KrakatoaKatie 03:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] List of democratically elected governments[edit]
Despite its name, this appears to be a POV-motived page of original research. It appears to have originated as an articled titled List of democratically elected governments opposed by the U.S., and was moved to this page, which clearly is not what it attempts to describe. ZimZalaBim talk 03:12, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was delete. KrakatoaKatie 03:29, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Church virus protection[edit]
provides advice to churches on the use of the internet. OR, wikipedia is not a How To guide. Tagishsimon (talk) 03:01, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The result was merge into Bratz Babyz. KrakatoaKatie 03:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply] Bratz Babyz: The Movie[edit]
This direct- to- DVD movie doesn't appear to meet Wikipedia:Notability (films) as the only RS coverage is trivial and a google search is mainly product listings. No reviews, no major awards, not a significant work. Appears entirely non-notable. TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 04:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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