Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of professional sports team owners (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:58, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of professional sports team owners[edit]

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Firstly, people own sports team all the time. Of course, they need somebody to run them; do we need an unsourced WP:EXAMPLEFARM of who owns who per WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Having seen the version after the first failed AfD, has it been any different since? SpacedFarmer (talk) 23:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people, Sports, American football, Baseball, Basketball, Cricket, Football, Ice hockey, Motorsport, Rugby league, Rugby union, and Lists. SpacedFarmer (talk) 23:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It probably needs to be WP:SPLIT into individual sports where it can be sourced better, but this is a valid navigational page/encyclopedia topic and gives more information than a simple category. SportingFlyer T·C 23:08, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel the scope is too broad to be adequately maintained as a single article. Narrowing its scope in some manner is needed to keep it from being an indiscriminate list of every sports team owner through history. isaacl (talk) 23:20, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete List is trying to do way too much. Every sport in every country? Secondary data like this belongs in infoboxes or as one of the last columns in lists like List of professional sports teams in the United States and Canada or List of football clubs in Germany, when there's room. Although I can't see any list in "Category:Lists of sports clubs and teams" that's made room for an owners column.

Wizmut (talk) 08:14, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It needs to be split out, it's a valid topic though. SportingFlyer T·C 09:07, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete . This subject fails WP:LISTN for a standalone list. Flibirigit (talk) 11:50, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So it doesn't fit "Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability."? I think it's pretty clear it fits "Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability." SportingFlyer T·C 12:08, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see no valid purpose in having every professional team owner past or present in the world to be listed on one page. Flibirigit (talk) 19:03, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree that it needs to be WP:SPLIT, but given there are already lists of the franchise owners, I do not see the purpose of having all 200 owners in one list. Conyo14 (talk) 17:41, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't see a valid deletion rationale here. What does "people own sports teams all the time" have to do with our inclusion criteria? NOTDIRECTORY gets close, but this is in many ways a valid list and not a directory. As others have stated above, though, this should be SPLIT by sport or by league, and to the extent such a list already exists for a given league there is no need to duplicate. Rlendog (talk) 18:49, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Terrible list that in my view that violates WP:OR along with NOTADIRECTORY. This is practically list craft and we need to stop making these lists which are not encyclopaedic in value. Govvy (talk) 22:46, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How would it be OR? If you type in say list of EPL owners, list of NBA owners, many different websites have discussed them as a set. SportingFlyer T·C 18:49, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is a difference between List of sports league owners and List of every sports team owners. That total set has to be notable too. Conyo14 (talk) 20:53, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Per NLIST: The entirety of the list does not need to be documented in sources for notability, only that the grouping or set in general has been. SportingFlyer T·C 21:37, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As per NLIST, this list fails to assert notability for the grouping or set in general. Flibirigit (talk) 21:39, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just for the NBA: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] It's a common group or set by sport. Even Ligue 1: [6] SportingFlyer T·C 21:43, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That does not satify NLIST for the "whole" list. Those only apply to basketball, nothing else. In other words, there needs to reliable sources say its notable to have a list of every professional team across all sports on one page. Flibirigit (talk) 22:37, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NLIST does not have a "whole" list requirement, and you ignored my football link. SportingFlyer T·C 23:16, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
NLIST states "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". There are no reliable sources in this list which state "This is a list of individuals, groups of individuals, and companies who have owned and operated a professional sports organization" for the whole world in every sport. Flibirigit (talk) 23:26, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 19:25, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - or at least convert into a dab for any much smaller/narrower articles. Giant Snowman 19:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Needless trivia. StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 18:32, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If there is a consensus to delete but a consensus that the split up version of this is fine, I would suggest moving this somewhere out of mainspace, but am open to suggestions on exactly where. SportingFlyer T·C 21:38, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Agree with nomination that article goes against the policy WP:NOTDIRECTORY. 1keyhole (talk) 05:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. As stated, LIST and DIR limits the kinds of things we collect in one place. This can and does get unwieldy. Bearian (talk) 13:44, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as above. For individual leagues, there already exist some articles, and not opposed to more leagues having split articles, if and only if they meet WP:GNG/WP:NLIST. But this unwieldy list is not encyclopedic at all. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:20, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I was skeptical when I saw the title of the article before opening and remember just how many different possible sports teams there are in existence. Agree with earlier ideas that this should split. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 19:44, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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