Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens (0–9, A–G)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens. Consensus is to keep but much more strictly limit the list-type coverage of fictional elements of this franchise. The merger includes List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens (H–P) and List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens (Q–Z), and depending on editor interest also List of Doctor Who villains, List of Doctor Who henchmen and List of Doctor Who robots. In any case, it should be limited to sourced and important entries. Sandstein 20:53, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens (0–9, A–G)[edit]

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List of mostly trivial in-universe fictional subjects. This does not establish notability for the whole of the fictional elements, and it does not establish itself as a necessary content fork. Most of these are useless for the context of a general encyclopedia. Most are attributed to a singular episode, so any existing redirects can be retargeted to those episode articles. Those that are actually notable like the Dalek have their own articles, and they are listed at Whoniverse#Features. That would be the best merge target, but I don't think a single thing here is worth salvaging. TTN (talk) 17:50, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 17:50, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 17:50, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 17:50, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge the "recurring" species/aliens to the Whoniverse, each limited to about one paragraph, but otherwise drop single-appearance ones that bulk up this list. There's probably about a dozen or so that would be recurring between both lists including the ones with notable standalone articles (Daleks, Cybermen, Weeping Angel, etc.) but a list documenting so many one-shots aren't needed. --Masem (t) 18:03, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens was split for size. If the article can not be kept, it should be redirected with history to Doctor_Who#Adversaries.

Is there a reason why List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens, List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens (H–P) and List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens (Q–Z) have not been nominated for deletion? --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:08, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 18:13, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per Masem into a single list as a section or its own article. It's true that the notable characters have articles but it is also normal to have one character list for a notable show or series. There aren't sources to support multiple lists. Single appearances don't really belong on Wikipedia unless they have caught the attention of reliable sources and this should be easy to clean up and summarize. Archrogue (talk) 19:54, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The individual contents of a list don't need to be notable per WP:LISTN, and articles aren't deleted for not establishing notability per WP:ARTN and WP:NEXIST. The rest of this is just subjective ("Most of these are useless for the context of a general encyclopedia"; It also covers fiction, which falls squarely under "general encyclopedia"). If the topic of "Doctor Who Universe creatures and aliens" is notable, then I doubt there's a policy-based reason for deletion. Dark knight 2149 01:24, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This list a notable aspect of this notable franchise, aiding in understanding it. Dream Focus 08:11, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I believe the subject passes WP:LISTN for being discussed as a group, and there are more than enough links in the list for it to easily pass WP:CLN WP:AOAL. As for merging, I think any merge target as well as the merged content would have its quality and usefulness diminished for being merged. // Timothy :: talk 08:14, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 16:33, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please explain what aspects of the nom you found compelling? ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], ...) Dark knight 2149 04:04, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:LISTN. Doctor Who creatures are covered in multiple published books, including The Doctor's Monsters: Meanings of the Monstrous in Doctor Who (2012), Doctor Who: The Dangerous Book of Monsters (2015), Doctor Who: 100 Scariest Monsters (2011), Doctor Who: Aliens and Creatures (2010) and so on. — Toughpigs (talk) 03:04, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:24, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or merge as sources cannot be found to establish notability for the concept behind this list. Even if you want to assume that sources exist, despite a lack of evidence, you'd still have trouble convincing me that we need four separate lists for the creatures alone, in addition to List of Doctor Who henchmen, List of Doctor Who villains, List of Doctor Who robots, and List of Doctor Who supporting characters. These arbitrary distinctions verge on original research and aren't supported by the sources. We don't fork out 8 articles on the same subject just because of the opinion of overzealous editors. Even with sources, our policies would support at most a merge into a drastically re-organized list. (Perhaps more, but not eight.) Shooterwalker (talk) 15:24, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Prune & Merge into a single list. While the concept of aliens in the franchise is likely notable, the vast majority of the things included on these lists are not, many of them being one-shot creatures that appeared in a single episode or product, many of them are just duplicative of entries that are already one one of the various other character lists, and most of them being comprised of information that is not sourced to reliable, secondary sources. And, passing WP:LISTN is not a free pass to be completely filled with unsourced information. As Masem said near the beginning of the AFD, the major, reoccurring species (that actually can be sourced by non-primary sources, of course) from each of the three lists should be retained and contained within a singular article, but that is it. Rorshacma (talk) 17:51, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Clean-up / merge per Rorschacma. I would support deletion because there are already notable topics about Dr. Who and its characters, and the sources don't justify this many non-notable splits into this many non-notable sub-lists. A good start would be to remove the random creatures who appear in singular episodes and combine the recurring ones into a singular list. The hope is this list would have reliable third party sources to justify it separately from some of the other Dr. Who character articles but if it doesn't then we should visit this again. Jontesta (talk) 22:00, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but Clean-up, I believe that notability is met between the current sources and those above. There is clean-up and pruning that should be done, but the fundamental article is legitimate. Nosebagbear (talk) 12:18, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge The vast majority of these entries should be removed, and any associated redirects retargeted to relevant episodes. When this is done, the number of entries should be short enough to fit in a single list no bigger than one of these. Good thing it isn't comprehensive — I could identify at least one species, the two-dimensional Boneless from "Flatline", that are not listed. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 00:38, 26 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.