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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to USS Baker (DE-190). Consensus is that the subject does not meet the relevant notability guidelines, but the article content would improve the namesake ship's page, which has the bare minimum about Baker. What content to merge is left to editor discretion. Even the keep !votes agree that one of the primary claims to notability is getting a ship named after him. The keep !votes are generic and do not address the content/sourcing of the article in question.

For transparency, I'm counting the last two redirect !votes, which apparently got confused by which AfD it was. This confusion arose because of the previous keep !vote copy pasting a large amount of text from the wrong AfD that I removed right before closing this AfD. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:01, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

John Drayton Baker[edit]

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Fails WP:SOLDIER and WP:GNG as a one-time recipient of the Navy Cross. Lettlerhello • contribs 16:44, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Lettlerhello • contribs 16:44, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Lettlerhello • contribs 16:44, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. Lettlerhello • contribs 16:44, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Lettlerhello • contribs 16:44, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep A warship was named after him which is a "significant award or honor and so passes WP:ANYBIO. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:58, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to USS Baker (DE-190). Fails WP:SOLDIER (Ensign posthumously awarded a Navy Cross. Having a ship named after him during WWII is not a "significant award or honor") and WP:GNG. No SIGCOV in multiple RS so not notable. Mztourist (talk) 03:44, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to USS Baker (DE-190). I concur he doesn't meet NBIO/NSOLDIER but there is some mergeable content here. The ship can have a section about its non-notable namesake.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:44, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge (selectively) to USS Baker (DE-190). Doesn't pass for a stand alone article, but the content will improve the target article, be less fragmented, and give the content more readership.  // Timothy :: talk  05:32, 25 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep As a matter of housekeeping, I would note that this is there is a previous nomination for deletion that just went down the tubes. This is he second nomination. This fact is being knowingly suppressed – on this and many articles. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edward Henry Allen. The record should be corrected accordingly. There is a systemic attempt to hide that fact over many articles.
This is a procedural hijack and an attempt to make sure that editors who do their job properly won't have time to respond.
This is relevant, and it should be fixed. It is a fact. It is always put into the history. I've never seen this, and it is a direct result of the misbegotten attempt to purge a couple of hundred articles. And all at once, overwhelming the limited number of editors who actively try to save articles, while at the same time trolling those editors to make their job difficult and discourage them with distractions. Apparently it takes no time to resurrect hundreds of Navy Cross/Ship name honorees for deletion. It takes a lot of time to respond and improve all of these articles. This is in fact a second nomination (among many). And given the fact that there is no good faith compliance with WP:Before and a blatant disregard of sources that exist but aren't cited — which do factor in to notability, this sneak attack is (dare I say it) ... a date that will live in infamy. You are distorting the process and rigging the outcomes.
The navy considered him significant enough that they named a warship after him.
Subject meets or exceeds WP:GNG. No compliance with WP:Before. The protocol is that one should not only look at the present cited sources, but available sources, too. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:33, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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