Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antrim Forum

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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 17:49, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Antrim Forum[edit]

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Disputed PROD. The only coverage I could find was non-independent and promotional, or passing and trivial (announcements of events at the venue). Does not appear to pass the General notability guideline. As for the argument on the talk page ("Notability is clear by the notable bands that have performed at the venue"), notability is not inherited. Having notable groups perform at a venue does not make the venue notable. One of the current references is a dead link, and apparently was non-independent when it worked. The other is merely a list of events at the venue, and may not be independent either. DES ^(talk) 22:01, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as nominator, unless significant independent reliable coverage is found and added to the article. DES ^(talk) 22:03, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. ukexpat (talk) 22:09, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep a 2,000+ capacity hall, which was used extensively among Notable acts who toured through Northern Ireland is definitely notable. Evangp (talk) 23:36, 8 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Evangp, that is not what the notability guideline says, nor what WP:GNG says, nor do I find it in any other guideline. I fear this is no more than WP:ILIKEIT. The former says "...there must be verifiable, objective evidence that the subject has received significant attention from independent sources to support a claim of notability" and "No subject is automatically or inherently notable merely because it exists: The evidence must show the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition". See also Wikipedia:Permastub and notability is not inherited. Actual coverage is needed for this and any similar articles, in my view. DES ^(talk) 00:19, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - It is also home to the Antrim Hockey Club, which I've added to the article. You should just delete all concert halls and arenas according to you, since they wouldn't exist without tour artists and sports teams. Evangp (talk) 00:23, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - Of course event venues require performers. But the point is that some of them, say for example Madison Square Garden or Albert Hall, have been written about independently and in depth, and thus are notable, and others have not and so are not. If there is significant reliable independent coverage of Antrim Forum, fine, simply cite it and we are done here. If not, this venue is not notable by Wikipedia's current standards. DES ^(talk) 00:48, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Northern Ireland-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 03:09, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 03:09, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 03:10, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete-Antrim Forum is a fitness and recreation centre, with outdoor sports faciities, the Paddy Marks Arena is the one where the hockey club play. Famous bands have played there, but it has garnered no independent coverage. Murry1975 (talk) 19:21, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

- Paddy Marks Arena is part of Antrim Forum. More reason to keep this article. Someone with better research skills just needs to dig a little deeper. I suck at finding references! Evangp (talk) 20:42, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - I found some coverage! look ----------> http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/olympics/18504359 Enough proof this is a notable venue?
    - More coverage ------> http://www.nitkd.com/?page_id=20 Evangp (talk) 20:52, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      - Even more coverage ------> http://www.thenafl.co.uk/grounds/id/134 I think this settles the debate, we keep the article, it just needs a little touch up Evangp (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 22:10, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

comment The bbc.com link above is merely another announcement of an event at the Forum, is says noting about the forum itself, and so contributes noting to notability. The nitkd.com links says a little about the Forum, but it is only a passing mention and does not, in my view, establish notability, although it coems clsoer than any othre source yet cited. Or it would, except that the thenafl.co.uk link above uses the exact same words which suggests that this is copied from a press release or official statement, and so is not truly independent and of no value in establishing notability. DES ^(talk) 22:24, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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